Personally i prefer nemesis bc he can be put into any story without the need of multiversal plots,he does not have a set origin and that makes him very versatil
I feel like Shattered Glass just has that style that Nemesis lacks. Like, Nemesis Prime typically doesn't have much to do with Optimus as a character. He just looks like him, is as powerful as him, but is on the other side. Most of the time he's just a mindless clone (or brainwashed Optimus) controlled by someone else. RID Scourge is like the only one with a real personality, and the others come off as fairly bland. Shattered Glass, on the other hand, is not simply evil, he's *as evil as regular Optimus is good*. And since regular Optimus is such a nice guy, even more good than Megatron is evil, this means SG Optimus gets to hit absolutely psychotic levels of wickedness that are beyond even most Megatrons. He's got that level of completely unrepentant bastardry that you just can't help but love to hate.
In my opinion, Nemesis Prime is better overall because there is a lot more you can do with him. Especially in terms of story. The one thing I don't think anyone has actually done with him is have a villain make an army of the blasted things. Maybe have one defect or go AWOL, and modify themselves to finally be able to express some individuality.
@@praxusprime5392 Not elderoid, Eldedroid, a mass produced clone army of Optimus Prime created by Wheeljack and Ga'mede to combat Galvatron II's Decepticons (both physically and mentally).
Interstellar Research Society? I thought Darkstar destroyed them when they accidentally freed him from his prison on Altair? His 'gift' for freeing him.
I don’t collect any of the toys, but strictly speaking characterization and design wise, Nemisis Prime has nothing really going for him. He’s just generic black, red, with a hint of cyan, with no personality or such that helps him stand out. Heck, I can’t even call him his own character personally, he always just been “that one guy”, and nothing else. At least with Shattered Glass (whichever version of him in continuities it don’t matter), he FEELS like his own person. Also like you said in the video, his color palette stands out more-there being a bit more nuisance. I never actually thought about them in this sense before, pretty interesting to think about😄
I like Nemesis Prime when it's something like his portrayal in Transformers Prime. But if the story is supposed to be about an evil Optimus, I prefer Shattered Glass. "Till All Are Gone" is so perfect.
For me, it will always be Shattered Glass Prime. Personally for as much as I've enjoyed the Nemesis color scheme, it's just a color scheme usually applied to very uninteresting characters and also it's just black with some other colors. It tickles the part of my brain that loves characters like Shadow but it doesn't do much. SG, there's just something about the purple, muted blue and green that just clicks and paired with specifically the Classics Optimus design? He looks like a Prime that went down a much darker, more militaristic path.
In my headcannon the origin for Nemesis Prime ties to Optimus' G1 cartoon origin: During the process to save Orion Pax, Alpha Trion didnt just rebuild him, he transferred his essence/spark into one of 3 new identical models he was working on to aid in the fight against the Quintessons (instead as it turns out the war againts the Decepticons began). He had a blue & red model, an all white and a black & gray model. Since Orion's colors were blue/red he chose that model to transfer his spark onto. During this process his spark was "split" with the residual "negative" aspects Orion may have had as a result of being "killed" by Megatron (by negative aspects meaning anger, rage, vengefulness, etc) being remove from Orion while being transferred onto the OP model, so that a new pure, kind and heroic soldier could be the one to lead the Autobots and Cybertron to a bright future. Then, Dion was taken to AT to help him much like he did Orion. Since Dion had been damaged worse and his spark being weaker than Orions, and using the all white model he had to save Dion's spark, it required add-ons to reignite his spark to full strength, thus Ultra Magnus. Finally, AT still had not finished his work on the black model when the war came to him and his workshop, and explosion caused the machine that held the negative aspects of Orion's spark to malfunction and accidentally got fed into the black model, thus Nemesis was born.
Shatter Glass Optimus has an evolution that happen, when he met Unicron. The Unicron in Shatter Glass is positive, so he gave Optimus Prime a new body, becoming the good Nova Prime.
@@redfire2757 That was Hasbro, since they didn't want new stories about Primus, Unicron and the 13 Primes to be constrained by the rules of past stories. So FunPub had Nexus Prime use the power of the Star Saber and the Terminus Blade to eliminate the concept of multiversal singularities, so that each universe has its own Primus, Unicron and 13 Primes, to be depicted as the creators want. And potentially a universe devoid of divinity.
I like the wholesome ‘cons in shattered glass, so he could be a piñata made for the ‘children’ to hit, but was given life by unicron’s great revival. He would then take up jobs of like a jester to lessen the fear Optimus gave them.
As someone who grew up seeing Venom everywhere in Spider-Man stuff, it's no surprise that I prefer Nemesis to SG. In terms of origin, I think I prefer when he's a man-made clone of Optimus. I think there's more story potential when some human villains have a robot as powerful as Optimus Prime and use his visage to try and desecrate his name. And yes, I absolutely think there should be more fiction where Nemesis has machine-gun smokestacks, because that's metal as hell
When it comes to them, they each have their own vibe that I prefer they focus on: Nemesis Prime: Half-feral monster that represents how he hates the people he fights for making him fight, sometimes way more than he does the fighting itself. Optimus is SCARY when he's mad, even if it's not a Bay film. He's made light of the suffering he's caused his opponents. He's gunned down thousands and only flinched once he's given himself enough time to think. I think he works best when he's NOT a full-black repaint though and mixes it up a bit with dark blues and pale-bone like Armada did. Shattered Glass: Cold, holier-than-thou despot that represents what Optimus could be if he gave up. On life, on freedom, on fighting his base impulses, on finding his place and purpose in the world. He's an Optimus that couldn't bear the weight of his actions and let it break him. His most universal colors work more consistently, but he's never quite matched up to a body type that works past the Laser Prime redeco. In the end though, Nemesis Prime is the only one who consistently gets to BE that counterpart rather than just existing as a villain that happens to share Optimus's body type.
I loved the version of Nemesis that you showed at the end of the slideshow from TF: Legends, a version created by Dr. Archevile similarly to how he was created in TF Prime. I had that card and it was a staple in my deck for a long time!
Gotta give it to Nemesis. An alternate timeline where Optimus gets corrupted by Unicron or a twisted clone of Prime has always been more interesting to me than “what if everything was opposite?”
I’m just going to say it if we’re talking strictly nemesis primes based on the characters I’m familiar I would say shattered glass Optimus is a far more interesting character. My opinion stays the same even if we do include rid 2001 scourge.
That's kinda tough to choose, because one is not a character, while the other needs multiversal shenanigans if you want to incorporate him into the story (unless it's already set in his world) Though I'd probably choose Nemesis Prime...but with a twist You see, I feel like using him as a simple Herald of Unicron or an evil clone of OP is kinda boring So if I were to write my story with Optimus as one of the main characters, I'd use Nemesis as like a voice in his head that tells OP: "Hey look man, don't you think you're being a bit too nice? I know you want to give everyone a chance, but you know they're not gonna use it and will continue bringing destruction, right? Plus you know some of them are beyond saving, so I'd suggest we simply just...get rid of 'em, permanently Remember Megatron? Yeah, the guy who you used to be friends with If he's done saving you, why should you be saving him? You've already seen him fall morally, there's no point to keep trying" Essentially, he would be mocking Optimus' attempts at being a good person And it would get to a point where sometimes Optimus goes a bit too far, which means he would be slowly but surely succumbing to the voice in his head And by going "too far" doesn't necessarily mean just killing people, no, he's most likely gonna snap at one point and is gonna show his frustrations with his teammates I know you probably hate this idea because he doesn't start off as a perfect person, but y'know what? Good! Nobody starts off perfect! Everyone needs time to fully develop themselves! Even Optimus would need a lot of development to become the robo-dad from G1 we all know and love, and overcoming this Nemesis, who kinda gives OP a Bayverse shine a bit, could make a good story about trying to become a genuinely good person in a bad, cruel, twisted world If you feel like there aren't enough actually good people, try becoming one of them It's gonna be hard, really hard, but the end result is gonna be worth fighting for Alight someone's darkest hour, whether it be your family member, a friend, your romantic partner, a bunch of soldiers who start to lose hope, ANYONE you hold dearly to your heart
I think what it comes down to is Nemesis Prime is an evil Optimus Prime whereas, Shattered Glass Optimus Prime is an inverted Optimus Prime. Every Trait that Optimus Prime has is the opposite for Shattered Glass' version; he's cruel rather than caring, he's deceptive and cunning rather than honest, and he's selfish rather than selfless. I think that's more interesting as a character and makes Shattered Glass more interesting as a whole, however, Nemesis is more versatile as you can use him for whatever you want.
I’ve always felt Nemesis-likes have the best story potential. Forcing the Autobots to go against their leader they love so much and how they can possibly fight someone so strong is just infinitely more interesting to me than if Optimus just was evil and so were all the Autobots along with him
I'm more a fan of the Nemesis Prime/Dark Convoy concept, particularly from RiD, where he's a bot from the same mold, it just made for a more interesting story and character. I'd even like to see it taken further where they just happen to be two bots with the same mold, not created for a nefarious reason but just on different teams. Sort of like seekers etc. Like you could say Optimus, Magnus, Nemesis, are of the same mold. One just so happens to be a decepticon, perhaps he changed teams. Normally just looking like another bot isn't too important, but I think when it's somebody as important as Optimus it draws comparison not just for the viewer but in universe.
Shattered glass Prime is my go-to out of the two he is the most interesting. Although I do like the IDW Nemesis prime being Nova Prime.... but he's not really an Optimus clone, since he is two generations of primes older than OP.
A black repaint might be basic and simple. But hey, it works and looks great. Also, a black semi truck just looks better than a purple and blue one imo. Also my favorite take on Nemesis would be RID Scourge. Basically an evil clone, with who's an actual character with a personality
idea for a nemesis prime origin that i cant do anything with but don't wanna let go completely to waste: in the war on cybertron, the decepticons find the blueprints that alpha trion built orion pax into optimus prime with, and one of their own(i cant think of a particular character) is turned into nemisis prime
Color scheme wise... I'm color blind, keep that in mind. I can't actually see the teal, that's just more grey to me cause I can not see blue and from what I've been told teal is a shade of blue. The SG colors I originally thought that was just his Diaclone colors. Like to me if you put Diaclone Convoy and SG Optimus Prime side by side there's no difference because again I can not see blue. I've been corrected and told that Diaclone is actually blue and black, but that blue I see as purple. The dark blue on SG Optimus looks black to me. I personally think the SG colors are less interesting knowing it's just a random color scheme rather than being based on the Diaclone colors. Personality wise... SG Optimus Prime is way more consistent as to what type of character you're actually getting. Nemesis Prime isn't consistent at all. Even the name isn't consistent like the most interesting Nemesis Prime in my opinion isn't even Nemesis Prime, it's RID2001 Scourge and honestly if that specific version was an option I would absolutely choose him. But since we're generalizing Black repaints or SG I think SG wins here just due to the fact there's actually some consistency. Over all though I'm going with Nemesis Prime. I do like SG as a concept but there are aspects of it I really don't like. I've never liked the idea of "Heroic Decepticons" for example. They have DECEPTION literally in the name, it's hard to make that sound heroic and the amount of mental gymnastics they had to write in to explain it away is just weird. Why not just make Megatron an Autobot and Optimus a Decepticon or create whole new factions in that universe. I also don't like that there is no main stream way to experience Shatter Glass. The figures are all exclusives, there's the comics, but it's not a thing that has ever been in the cartoons. I was hoping when Cyberverse did their multiverse story that they would explore SG but the story didn't go in that direction. So I'm basically just going Nemesis because that's what I'm more familiar with.
In my fanfiction Unicron took the dead Optimus' body and resurrected him as Nemesis Prime. He has that Tankor/Rhinox mentality like "i can do it better than the current leader" so he went after Galvatron and killed him.
Nemesis Prime just functions better in stories in my opinion. Shattered Glass is all well and fun, but he doesn't slot into a story as cleanly as well as Nemesis. Nemesis has versatility, in that he can be a clone, a manifestation of Optimus' darker side, or a bot built by the enemy. Personally I'd be interested to see how these two would interact
SG Optimus is the twisted reflection of Optimus while Nemesis Prime is who he’d be if he broke bad! I always imagine Nemesis Prime as Unicrons Doomsday, plucked from a Universe where Optimus lost the war to Megatron, forced to watch as he eliminated every Autobot, conquered every world, and converted the entire universe into his perfect Empire. Then Unicron attacks and the Decepticons lose. Optimus, failing to stop Megatron, unable to resist Unicron, falls to despair, and as the last living thing in the universe he looks into the endless pit that is Unicron, and for the first time in 10 Billion years, refuses to fight! With him Unicron has his ultimate champion! The Power of a Prime, in the servitude of the Chaos Bringer! Whenever Nemesis Prime dies, he only gets stronger. When he isn’t decimating potential threats to Unicron, he’s being tortured, killed over and over again, to make him stronger, and keep him bitter. Preparing for the Final Battle, the day Primus and Unicron’s forces clash for the last time and their eternal war is finally ended!
As a character, I'm gonna say Shattered Glass Optimus. It's extremely rare for a Nemesis Prime to have any sort of character, rather than just be a drone or mindless doppelganger. The only one I can think of is Car Robots Scourge, and he isn't even technically Nemesis Prime! HOWEVER: There is one thing you can do with Nemesis you can't really do with SGOP: have him play off the heroic Optimus.
I absolutely adore shattered glass, Optimus Prime and just the whole concept of shattered glass. That being said, I do like a Nemesis Prime more because I like the idea of an evil doppelganger within that same universe a little bit more than just a mirrored dimension. Honestly it depends on the storytelling. I think what the club did with the storytelling did better than what IDW did under Hasbro's complete control.
I think SG is better conceptually, but Nemesis is much more versatile with how he can be used. Like you can include Nemesis without it being a "Nemesis Prime" story, but to include SG Optimus, it necessarily has to be a Shattered Glass story.
I have the IDW Shattered Glass comics, and I've read every issue. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten my hands on any of the Fun Publications Shattered Glass issues, and because of it I haven't read them. I wish those stories would get republished.
I thought of POTP Nemesis as clone built by the Quitessons and commissioned by Megatron and has been going through troubled development. When his body gets critically damaged he would scan Rodimus Prime and become Rodimus Unicronus but still be called Nemesis Prime.
I do love a nemesis prime but I admit we have yet to get a definitive version of him so my vote is for shattered glass. He is everything I love in an evil optimism from establishment to design to story~
I'm going with Nemesis Prime simply because I don't think SG Optimus could work without the broader SG premise. I also think SG Optimus' evil is over the top and mostly comes from a place of plot necessity. Nemesis Prime is more interesting as far as often being a copy that understandably is angry and wants to prove himself as being better than the original.
15:07 Do I find this take of the infamous *GIVE ME YOUR FACE!!!* treatment so satisfying to read? Cause I don't think IDW SG Mags had something similar.
I voted Nemesis prime, I always preferred that there can be a little more to him than shattered glass since theyre kinda locked into being opposites but nemesis can be whatever he needs to be which is interesting. That and the color scheme will never not be cool, black, silver, purple and teal are just god tier transformers deco choices ( looking at you skywarp😂) (At time of voting about an hour after the videos release the vote is sitting at just under 60% nemesis so i wonder how this turns out in the long run)
Nemesis usually has some really REALLY pretty toys (though the Generation Selects SG one is AMAZING as well), especially with the teal, but I think RiD Scourge is the superior Black Doppleganger to me, and I don't recall an interesting Nemesis Prime story... like EVER. So, off the bat, I think Shattered Glass Optimus is more fun.
I’ve seen it as shattered glass is the cruel evil tyrant it is the opposite from Optimus good kind nature while nemesis has kinda been used as a unicron herold I think armada, POTP, WFC, and I think the MP44 repaint use him as unicron clone minion, he’s a servant unicron made to mock primus and the matrix.
This feels like an odd comparison since I feel like we are putting up an idea against a character. Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy has been so many things, heck in IDW they aren't even much of a doppelganger at all rather they are Nova Prime. Meanwhile Shattered Glass Optimus Prime really only has 2 major incarcerations and as far as being an Inverted Optimus Prime goes I think Shattered Glass Optimus has a better track record. I will however say Nemesis does have the advantage that they actually have the opportunity to go against Optimus as an equal opponent or even make Optimus question his own morals. This concept can be done with Shattered Glass Optimus as well, though as far as I am aware it hasn't.
As much as I love Shattered Glass Optimus I would love to see Nemesis Prime as not repaint Optimus, more like reformated Optimus like Megatron was reformated by Unicron, the same guy but a little different in body shape, upgraded in some way to see the difference, see him as somebody else than just black Optimus Prime
Design-wise, I think if you’re going to use the G1 base for Optimus Prime, Nemesis Prime should always be G2 Laser Prime-based. Also, unpopular opinion, but Velocitron Scourge may not be a good Scourge from RID2001, but he is a perfect take on Nemesis Prime’s design.
I will say I like both. However, if I were going to write something or see them use him again I prefer they use Shattered Glass so they can maybe flesh him out and change it up from Truck Megatron. A Desk clerk rose up and decided they hadn't gone far enough, not for the lust of power like Megatron, but his immense self-loathing as a cog in the brutal oppression of his people as he filed just orders that got bots terminated. He was a personal coward who lucked into joining with Megatron and the rebellion rather than being one of the founders. He did nothing so after he's rebuilt into Prime he's super projecting his failings onto others. He feels he does not deserve this new power or this body so he feels inadequate, a fake. He wants Genocide because he and by extension all Cybertronians are guilty and must die for their crimes.
Well, I chose Nemesis Prime because even though he's basically the anti-thesis to Optimus Prime, but with the right writer I think he could be a good villain. Now, Shattered Glass Optimus Prime is like straight up Bizarro Optimus Prime.
Nemesis is better because Optimus is supposed to inspire the reader/viewer. Far too easily do we see evil incarnations, but nemesis challenges Optimus without routing his entire character. Optimus is great when he is good, and shattered glass feels as if we are having our view of the character we love corrupted, and personally I find no love for having our friend be such a different character.
I came into this video expecting to vote for Nemesis, as he is the only one who I have experienced in media. But over the course of watching, I realized that Shattered Glass had more potential to him. And a more interesting Deco.
Overall, I prefer Shattered Glass, although Nemesis has one massive advantage over him in that he can meet and interact with Optimus without the need for multiverse shenanigans
If Optimus Prime is Sonic the Hedgehog, then Nemesis Prime (and Black Convoy really) is Metal Sonic and Shattered Glass Prime is Scourge the Hedgehog. So who would be Shadow?
I feel like SG could be used for more interesting stories than Nemesis but Nemesis can be used more easily like I imagine an Ultron like army of Nemesis' with one at the centre and like a story where SG is like the Kingpin and has to actually fight to keep his power and status
It's not really something you can say is definitively better than the other in my opinion, as I think it depends a lot on the type of story you're trying to tell. If it involves the multiverse than yeah definitely Shattered Glass, but if you're going for something more grounded/self-contained than you should go with Nemesis Prime. Plus, NP has a lot of range in regards to origins, from being an evil clone of Optimus, to an Optimus corrupted by Unicron, or a man-made Transformer made by extremists to fight Cybertronian's, whereas with SG Prime it's really only a mirror universe Optimus, and you have to incorporate the other SG characters in some fashion or at least acknowledge them somehow.
Nemesis all the way, an evil prime that can be shapped however you want to push a narrative, SG is more restrictive and requires a very specific context that makes it hard to work, hence why comics have been able to use it due to the the mediums nature, Nemesis also adapts to the constant changes the franchise goes.
i feel SG Prime and Shattered Glass as a whole more like a novelty then somthing that should be intergrated into the main stay. Since bringing Shattered Glass up all the time lessens the coolness of this what if idea. thats why i feel Nemesis is better then SH Prime. i'd even say his lack of an origin as a strength since theres more if he was only a herald of Unicron then shows that just want to have an evil prime and not use Unicron now have to deal with the bagaged of him being tied to Unicron. i hope i managed to convay my point across why i think Nemesis is just a better option then SG Prime
Does anyone else other than me hear Peter Cullen’s Venger voice when you think of how Nemesis/ SG Prime sounds like or is it just me? PS. I Choose Nemesis Prime
And how about SG Megatron being more like Perceptor (albeit a mathematician instead of the usual scientist) than normal Optimus? Anywho, Black Convoy vs. Wicked Purple Convoy...gimme Wicked Purple Convoy for the win, the only ones worthy of being Black Convoy are the originally named Black Convoy aka RiD01 Scourge, and Superlink's Grand Scourge. And maybe the OG who ain't even named it: Copy Convoy from BWII.
I do like Shattered Glass Optimus, but I think Nemesis is better. He looks cooler and has the cooler color scheme in my opinion, and there’s more you could do with him.
I prefer Shattered Glass prime , the fact the factions between Autobots and Deceptions are switched is interesting and I say Shattered Glass Prime is more ruthless than Megatron
SG Optimus for me. I do like the variety of Nemesis Prime, but more often than not, he's a bit generic and only there as "cool black repaint." SG Optimus just feels more like a solid character and threat with his characterization, and it's just the generic evil Optimus. That said, I'm soooo sick of every good Nemesis Prime toy being a Takara exclusive for double its retail worth. Hasbro PLEASE just reissue the Netflix one or something.
I prefer Nemesis Prime for writ8ng potential. You can do a lot of different things with him, alternate timeline, clone. Brutal powerhouse bent on destruction, nihilist who sees no point in existence. Nemesis is by far the most malleable character in the franchise. Me personally, I'd have him be a decepticon clone created for Unicron, with his own matrix of destruction. Id make him a nihilist. While optimus has hope for every living thing, Nemesis just wouldn't see a point in anything, whoch is he's willing to work with Unicron.
It's not asking what weapon, it's asking which weapon type. As in built-in weapon or handheld weapon. And the Requiem Blaster is an example of handheld.
clones are their own people they just look like someone else, making it basically twins. So I don't count nemesis prime as an evil optimus prime. Leaving only shatter glass optimus as the only evil optimus.
Admittedly, this one's pretty one-sided because SG Optimus is an actual character with a lot of fiction backing him and Nemesis is just a nebulous concept that only exists to sell black, teal and red/hot pink repaints of Optimii. Nemesis Prime is not a character unless we're talking RID 2001 Scourge or Universe 2003 Nemesis.
Nemesis Prime isn't really a character, he's more of a concept, or dark reflection of Optimus, meanwhile Shattered Glass Optimus is his own character, allowing him to have more depth and nuance. But I am not a big fan of multiversal plots, and Nemesis has more potential, as he's a blank slate, so I'd go Nemesis.
I am fine with Nemesis Prime being an evil clone of Optimus Prime, but i can´t stand it being a corrupted Optimus Prime. Optimus is supposed to be the parangon of hope and goodness every Grimlock, Megatron, Impactor, Prowl or Starscream fall short of being. Optimus dying and giving the Matrix to Hot Rod (or Hot Shot, or Smokescreen) is far better for him than corrupting him. Same with the Bayverse Psycho. As for the Shattered Glass version, I have much more tolerance with him, as the SG universe switches the sides: Autobots are evil, Decepticons are good. It also allows for far more creative ideas.
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Personally i prefer nemesis bc he can be put into any story without the need of multiversal plots,he does not have a set origin and that makes him very versatil
I feel like Shattered Glass just has that style that Nemesis lacks. Like, Nemesis Prime typically doesn't have much to do with Optimus as a character. He just looks like him, is as powerful as him, but is on the other side. Most of the time he's just a mindless clone (or brainwashed Optimus) controlled by someone else. RID Scourge is like the only one with a real personality, and the others come off as fairly bland. Shattered Glass, on the other hand, is not simply evil, he's *as evil as regular Optimus is good*. And since regular Optimus is such a nice guy, even more good than Megatron is evil, this means SG Optimus gets to hit absolutely psychotic levels of wickedness that are beyond even most Megatrons. He's got that level of completely unrepentant bastardry that you just can't help but love to hate.
In my opinion, Nemesis Prime is better overall because there is a lot more you can do with him. Especially in terms of story. The one thing I don't think anyone has actually done with him is have a villain make an army of the blasted things. Maybe have one defect or go AWOL, and modify themselves to finally be able to express some individuality.
I personally have nemesis be a elderoid defector
@telaviefilms280 what is an elderoid
@ an army of nemesises made by wheeljack, I believe.
That's what they did with Tarn i Cyberverse.
@@praxusprime5392 Not elderoid, Eldedroid, a mass produced clone army of Optimus Prime created by Wheeljack and Ga'mede to combat Galvatron II's Decepticons (both physically and mentally).
now I want a Shattered Glass Nemesis Prime
So Optimus Prime basically?
What would you rename him, though? You couldn't really keep him named Nemesis.
@@scorpioproductions7068 I'd keep the name, Nemesis is not an evil name. Look it up.
I’m pretty sure they call him nova prime
@@scorpioproductions7068you could keep it. The Good decepticons still have deceptive in their name
Agent Magnetar better not be an IRS agent
Nah he's just an Agent passing through this world like a certain Magenta Hero
Interstellar Research Society? I thought Darkstar destroyed them when they accidentally freed him from his prison on Altair? His 'gift' for freeing him.
Shattered glass Optimus Prime is one of my favorite color match ups of any figure and favorite color for Optimus Prime.
Same here Mike!
Nemesis is better as Evil Optimus, be that clone(Scourge) or future(Netflix)
Shattered Glass is Optimus Who Laughs.
That's a Batman reference
I don’t collect any of the toys, but strictly speaking characterization and design wise, Nemisis Prime has nothing really going for him. He’s just generic black, red, with a hint of cyan, with no personality or such that helps him stand out. Heck, I can’t even call him his own character personally, he always just been “that one guy”, and nothing else.
At least with Shattered Glass (whichever version of him in continuities it don’t matter), he FEELS like his own person. Also like you said in the video, his color palette stands out more-there being a bit more nuisance.
I never actually thought about them in this sense before, pretty interesting to think about😄
I like Nemesis Prime when it's something like his portrayal in Transformers Prime. But if the story is supposed to be about an evil Optimus, I prefer Shattered Glass. "Till All Are Gone" is so perfect.
For me, it will always be Shattered Glass Prime. Personally for as much as I've enjoyed the Nemesis color scheme, it's just a color scheme usually applied to very uninteresting characters and also it's just black with some other colors. It tickles the part of my brain that loves characters like Shadow but it doesn't do much. SG, there's just something about the purple, muted blue and green that just clicks and paired with specifically the Classics Optimus design? He looks like a Prime that went down a much darker, more militaristic path.
if we're talking the early 2000s where Nemesis had that bone tan in his color scheme im ALL in
In my headcannon the origin for Nemesis Prime ties to Optimus' G1 cartoon origin:
During the process to save Orion Pax, Alpha Trion didnt just rebuild him, he transferred his essence/spark into one of 3 new identical models he was working on to aid in the fight against the Quintessons (instead as it turns out the war againts the Decepticons began). He had a blue & red model, an all white and a black & gray model. Since Orion's colors were blue/red he chose that model to transfer his spark onto. During this process his spark was "split" with the residual "negative" aspects Orion may have had as a result of being "killed" by Megatron (by negative aspects meaning anger, rage, vengefulness, etc) being remove from Orion while being transferred onto the OP model, so that a new pure, kind and heroic soldier could be the one to lead the Autobots and Cybertron to a bright future.
Then, Dion was taken to AT to help him much like he did Orion. Since Dion had been damaged worse and his spark being weaker than Orions, and using the all white model he had to save Dion's spark, it required add-ons to reignite his spark to full strength, thus Ultra Magnus.
Finally, AT still had not finished his work on the black model when the war came to him and his workshop, and explosion caused the machine that held the negative aspects of Orion's spark to malfunction and accidentally got fed into the black model, thus Nemesis was born.
Shatter Glass Optimus has an evolution that happen, when he met Unicron. The Unicron in Shatter Glass is positive, so he gave Optimus Prime a new body, becoming the good Nova Prime.
I thought Unicron and Primus were multiversal beings that were the same everywhere?
@@z3razerviper nah
@@z3razerviper That was retconned some years ago when writers deemed the idea to be too complicated to follow
@@redfire2757 That was Hasbro, since they didn't want new stories about Primus, Unicron and the 13 Primes to be constrained by the rules of past stories. So FunPub had Nexus Prime use the power of the Star Saber and the Terminus Blade to eliminate the concept of multiversal singularities, so that each universe has its own Primus, Unicron and 13 Primes, to be depicted as the creators want. And potentially a universe devoid of divinity.
I wonder what a Shattered Glass Nemesis Prime would be like 🤔
Brown so we can see optimus in every color
I like the wholesome ‘cons in shattered glass, so he could be a piñata made for the ‘children’ to hit, but was given life by unicron’s great revival. He would then take up jobs of like a jester to lessen the fear Optimus gave them.
@@LuntshTabilGaeming I like that take.
@@LuntshTabilGaeming dude that's so wholesome I almost tear up, they must make that something official.
As someone who grew up seeing Venom everywhere in Spider-Man stuff, it's no surprise that I prefer Nemesis to SG. In terms of origin, I think I prefer when he's a man-made clone of Optimus. I think there's more story potential when some human villains have a robot as powerful as Optimus Prime and use his visage to try and desecrate his name. And yes, I absolutely think there should be more fiction where Nemesis has machine-gun smokestacks, because that's metal as hell
When it comes to them, they each have their own vibe that I prefer they focus on:
Nemesis Prime: Half-feral monster that represents how he hates the people he fights for making him fight, sometimes way more than he does the fighting itself. Optimus is SCARY when he's mad, even if it's not a Bay film. He's made light of the suffering he's caused his opponents. He's gunned down thousands and only flinched once he's given himself enough time to think. I think he works best when he's NOT a full-black repaint though and mixes it up a bit with dark blues and pale-bone like Armada did.
Shattered Glass: Cold, holier-than-thou despot that represents what Optimus could be if he gave up. On life, on freedom, on fighting his base impulses, on finding his place and purpose in the world. He's an Optimus that couldn't bear the weight of his actions and let it break him. His most universal colors work more consistently, but he's never quite matched up to a body type that works past the Laser Prime redeco.
In the end though, Nemesis Prime is the only one who consistently gets to BE that counterpart rather than just existing as a villain that happens to share Optimus's body type.
I loved the version of Nemesis that you showed at the end of the slideshow from TF: Legends, a version created by Dr. Archevile similarly to how he was created in TF Prime. I had that card and it was a staple in my deck for a long time!
Gotta give it to Nemesis. An alternate timeline where Optimus gets corrupted by Unicron or a twisted clone of Prime has always been more interesting to me than “what if everything was opposite?”
I’m just going to say it if we’re talking strictly nemesis primes based on the characters I’m familiar I would say shattered glass Optimus is a far more interesting character. My opinion stays the same even if we do include rid 2001 scourge.
Why not both?
That's kinda tough to choose, because one is not a character, while the other needs multiversal shenanigans if you want to incorporate him into the story (unless it's already set in his world)
Though I'd probably choose Nemesis Prime...but with a twist
You see, I feel like using him as a simple Herald of Unicron or an evil clone of OP is kinda boring
So if I were to write my story with Optimus as one of the main characters, I'd use Nemesis as like a voice in his head that tells OP:
"Hey look man, don't you think you're being a bit too nice? I know you want to give everyone a chance, but you know they're not gonna use it and will continue bringing destruction, right? Plus you know some of them are beyond saving, so I'd suggest we simply just...get rid of 'em, permanently
Remember Megatron? Yeah, the guy who you used to be friends with
If he's done saving you, why should you be saving him? You've already seen him fall morally, there's no point to keep trying"
Essentially, he would be mocking Optimus' attempts at being a good person
And it would get to a point where sometimes Optimus goes a bit too far, which means he would be slowly but surely succumbing to the voice in his head
And by going "too far" doesn't necessarily mean just killing people, no, he's most likely gonna snap at one point and is gonna show his frustrations with his teammates
I know you probably hate this idea because he doesn't start off as a perfect person, but y'know what? Good!
Nobody starts off perfect! Everyone needs time to fully develop themselves! Even Optimus would need a lot of development to become the robo-dad from G1 we all know and love, and overcoming this Nemesis, who kinda gives OP a Bayverse shine a bit, could make a good story about trying to become a genuinely good person in a bad, cruel, twisted world
If you feel like there aren't enough actually good people, try becoming one of them
It's gonna be hard, really hard, but the end result is gonna be worth fighting for
Alight someone's darkest hour, whether it be your family member, a friend, your romantic partner, a bunch of soldiers who start to lose hope, ANYONE you hold dearly to your heart
I think what it comes down to is Nemesis Prime is an evil Optimus Prime whereas, Shattered Glass Optimus Prime is an inverted Optimus Prime. Every Trait that Optimus Prime has is the opposite for Shattered Glass' version; he's cruel rather than caring, he's deceptive and cunning rather than honest, and he's selfish rather than selfless. I think that's more interesting as a character and makes Shattered Glass more interesting as a whole, however, Nemesis is more versatile as you can use him for whatever you want.
I’ve always felt Nemesis-likes have the best story potential. Forcing the Autobots to go against their leader they love so much and how they can possibly fight someone so strong is just infinitely more interesting to me than if Optimus just was evil and so were all the Autobots along with him
I'm more a fan of the Nemesis Prime/Dark Convoy concept, particularly from RiD, where he's a bot from the same mold, it just made for a more interesting story and character. I'd even like to see it taken further where they just happen to be two bots with the same mold, not created for a nefarious reason but just on different teams. Sort of like seekers etc. Like you could say Optimus, Magnus, Nemesis, are of the same mold. One just so happens to be a decepticon, perhaps he changed teams. Normally just looking like another bot isn't too important, but I think when it's somebody as important as Optimus it draws comparison not just for the viewer but in universe.
Shattered glass Prime is my go-to out of the two he is the most interesting.
Although I do like the IDW Nemesis prime being Nova Prime.... but he's not really an Optimus clone, since he is two generations of primes older than OP.
I wonder what a shattered glass Nemesis Prime would be like?
A black repaint might be basic and simple. But hey, it works and looks great. Also, a black semi truck just looks better than a purple and blue one imo. Also my favorite take on Nemesis would be RID Scourge. Basically an evil clone, with who's an actual character with a personality
idea for a nemesis prime origin that i cant do anything with but don't wanna let go completely to waste: in the war on cybertron, the decepticons find the blueprints that alpha trion built orion pax into optimus prime with, and one of their own(i cant think of a particular character) is turned into nemisis prime
I traced the nemesis prime pic in the thumbnail when i was a kid. My family was so proud of the art i didn’t do
Color scheme wise... I'm color blind, keep that in mind. I can't actually see the teal, that's just more grey to me cause I can not see blue and from what I've been told teal is a shade of blue. The SG colors I originally thought that was just his Diaclone colors. Like to me if you put Diaclone Convoy and SG Optimus Prime side by side there's no difference because again I can not see blue. I've been corrected and told that Diaclone is actually blue and black, but that blue I see as purple. The dark blue on SG Optimus looks black to me. I personally think the SG colors are less interesting knowing it's just a random color scheme rather than being based on the Diaclone colors.
Personality wise... SG Optimus Prime is way more consistent as to what type of character you're actually getting. Nemesis Prime isn't consistent at all. Even the name isn't consistent like the most interesting Nemesis Prime in my opinion isn't even Nemesis Prime, it's RID2001 Scourge and honestly if that specific version was an option I would absolutely choose him. But since we're generalizing Black repaints or SG I think SG wins here just due to the fact there's actually some consistency.
Over all though I'm going with Nemesis Prime. I do like SG as a concept but there are aspects of it I really don't like. I've never liked the idea of "Heroic Decepticons" for example. They have DECEPTION literally in the name, it's hard to make that sound heroic and the amount of mental gymnastics they had to write in to explain it away is just weird. Why not just make Megatron an Autobot and Optimus a Decepticon or create whole new factions in that universe. I also don't like that there is no main stream way to experience Shatter Glass. The figures are all exclusives, there's the comics, but it's not a thing that has ever been in the cartoons. I was hoping when Cyberverse did their multiverse story that they would explore SG but the story didn't go in that direction. So I'm basically just going Nemesis because that's what I'm more familiar with.
In my fanfiction Unicron took the dead Optimus' body and resurrected him as Nemesis Prime. He has that Tankor/Rhinox mentality like "i can do it better than the current leader" so he went after Galvatron and killed him.
Shattered Glass Optimus prime but not the IDW version only the original one
Nemesis Prime just functions better in stories in my opinion. Shattered Glass is all well and fun, but he doesn't slot into a story as cleanly as well as Nemesis. Nemesis has versatility, in that he can be a clone, a manifestation of Optimus' darker side, or a bot built by the enemy.
Personally I'd be interested to see how these two would interact
Everyone knows, the King Of the Road is Grey, Black and Purple.
SG Optimus is the twisted reflection of Optimus while Nemesis Prime is who he’d be if he broke bad! I always imagine Nemesis Prime as Unicrons Doomsday, plucked from a Universe where Optimus lost the war to Megatron, forced to watch as he eliminated every Autobot, conquered every world, and converted the entire universe into his perfect Empire. Then Unicron attacks and the Decepticons lose. Optimus, failing to stop Megatron, unable to resist Unicron, falls to despair, and as the last living thing in the universe he looks into the endless pit that is Unicron, and for the first time in 10 Billion years, refuses to fight! With him Unicron has his ultimate champion! The Power of a Prime, in the servitude of the Chaos Bringer! Whenever Nemesis Prime dies, he only gets stronger. When he isn’t decimating potential threats to Unicron, he’s being tortured, killed over and over again, to make him stronger, and keep him bitter. Preparing for the Final Battle, the day Primus and Unicron’s forces clash for the last time and their eternal war is finally ended!
As a character, I'm gonna say Shattered Glass Optimus. It's extremely rare for a Nemesis Prime to have any sort of character, rather than just be a drone or mindless doppelganger. The only one I can think of is Car Robots Scourge, and he isn't even technically Nemesis Prime!
HOWEVER: There is one thing you can do with Nemesis you can't really do with SGOP: have him play off the heroic Optimus.
why not both, one is an evil clone and one is a multiversal variant, be like comparing in DC terms, Doomsday Superman Clone to Ultraman
I absolutely adore shattered glass, Optimus Prime and just the whole concept of shattered glass. That being said, I do like a Nemesis Prime more because I like the idea of an evil doppelganger within that same universe a little bit more than just a mirrored dimension. Honestly it depends on the storytelling. I think what the club did with the storytelling did better than what IDW did under Hasbro's complete control.
I think SG is better conceptually, but Nemesis is much more versatile with how he can be used. Like you can include Nemesis without it being a "Nemesis Prime" story, but to include SG Optimus, it necessarily has to be a Shattered Glass story.
SG: chaotic evil.
Nemesis: lawful evil.
I have the IDW Shattered Glass comics, and I've read every issue. Unfortunately, I haven't gotten my hands on any of the Fun Publications Shattered Glass issues, and because of it I haven't read them. I wish those stories would get republished.
I thought of POTP Nemesis as clone built by the Quitessons and commissioned by Megatron and has been going through troubled development. When his body gets critically damaged he would scan Rodimus Prime and become Rodimus Unicronus but still be called Nemesis Prime.
Fun fact: shattered glass Optimus’ colour scheme looks like he was put through a tritanopia colour blind filter.
I do love a nemesis prime but I admit we have yet to get a definitive version of him so my vote is for shattered glass. He is everything I love in an evil optimism from establishment to design to story~
Both are fun and have interesting potential. But Nemesis has a lot more flexibility to work character into.
Shatter glass can be somewhat rigid.
I'm going with Nemesis Prime simply because I don't think SG Optimus could work without the broader SG premise.
I also think SG Optimus' evil is over the top and mostly comes from a place of plot necessity. Nemesis Prime is more interesting as far as often being a copy that understandably is angry and wants to prove himself as being better than the original.
I truly do think they shouldn't be either/or. Both are necessary in different ways
Has there ever been an SG Nemesis Prime?
I like the Nemesis Prime deco more because it's unique and we've already got a TON of evil characters with a purple color scheme.
15:07 Do I find this take of the infamous *GIVE ME YOUR FACE!!!* treatment so satisfying to read?
Cause I don't think IDW SG Mags had something similar.
I voted Nemesis prime, I always preferred that there can be a little more to him than shattered glass since theyre kinda locked into being opposites but nemesis can be whatever he needs to be which is interesting. That and the color scheme will never not be cool, black, silver, purple and teal are just god tier transformers deco choices ( looking at you skywarp😂)
(At time of voting about an hour after the videos release the vote is sitting at just under 60% nemesis so i wonder how this turns out in the long run)
Nemesis usually has some really REALLY pretty toys (though the Generation Selects SG one is AMAZING as well), especially with the teal, but I think RiD Scourge is the superior Black Doppleganger to me, and I don't recall an interesting Nemesis Prime story... like EVER. So, off the bat, I think Shattered Glass Optimus is more fun.
I’ve seen it as shattered glass is the cruel evil tyrant it is the opposite from Optimus good kind nature while nemesis has kinda been used as a unicron herold I think armada, POTP, WFC, and I think the MP44 repaint use him as unicron clone minion, he’s a servant unicron made to mock primus and the matrix.
This feels like an odd comparison since I feel like we are putting up an idea against a character. Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy has been so many things, heck in IDW they aren't even much of a doppelganger at all rather they are Nova Prime. Meanwhile Shattered Glass Optimus Prime really only has 2 major incarcerations and as far as being an Inverted Optimus Prime goes I think Shattered Glass Optimus has a better track record. I will however say Nemesis does have the advantage that they actually have the opportunity to go against Optimus as an equal opponent or even make Optimus question his own morals. This concept can be done with Shattered Glass Optimus as well, though as far as I am aware it hasn't.
I think an intresting take on a Shattered Glass Prime would be one who started out like usual, but ended up going WAY too far.
As much as I love Shattered Glass Optimus I would love to see Nemesis Prime as not repaint Optimus, more like reformated Optimus like Megatron was reformated by Unicron, the same guy but a little different in body shape, upgraded in some way to see the difference, see him as somebody else than just black Optimus Prime
Design-wise, I think if you’re going to use the G1 base for Optimus Prime, Nemesis Prime should always be G2 Laser Prime-based.
Also, unpopular opinion, but Velocitron Scourge may not be a good Scourge from RID2001, but he is a perfect take on Nemesis Prime’s design.
I will say I like both. However, if I were going to write something or see them use him again I prefer they use Shattered Glass so they can maybe flesh him out and change it up from Truck Megatron.
A Desk clerk rose up and decided they hadn't gone far enough, not for the lust of power like Megatron, but his immense self-loathing as a cog in the brutal oppression of his people as he filed just orders that got bots terminated. He was a personal coward who lucked into joining with Megatron and the rebellion rather than being one of the founders. He did nothing so after he's rebuilt into Prime he's super projecting his failings onto others. He feels he does not deserve this new power or this body so he feels inadequate, a fake. He wants Genocide because he and by extension all Cybertronians are guilty and must die for their crimes.
I headcanon that shattered glass Nemesis Prime would basically be Bayverse Optimus.
Who would win a fight to the death I wonder 🤔
Well, I chose Nemesis Prime because even though he's basically the anti-thesis to Optimus Prime, but with the right writer I think he could be a good villain. Now, Shattered Glass Optimus Prime is like straight up Bizarro Optimus Prime.
Nemesis is better because Optimus is supposed to inspire the reader/viewer. Far too easily do we see evil incarnations, but nemesis challenges Optimus without routing his entire character. Optimus is great when he is good, and shattered glass feels as if we are having our view of the character we love corrupted, and personally I find no love for having our friend be such a different character.
I'm slightly biased because I like the color purple, but I prefer Shattered Glass Optimus.
I came into this video expecting to vote for Nemesis, as he is the only one who I have experienced in media. But over the course of watching, I realized that Shattered Glass had more potential to him. And a more interesting Deco.
Let's not forget the most evil Optimus of them all, Bayverse Optimus
Overall, I prefer Shattered Glass, although Nemesis has one massive advantage over him in that he can meet and interact with Optimus without the need for multiverse shenanigans
Everything looks better in black.
Then again, for me, there is no Nemesis Prime. *Only Scourge.*
So the G1 Sweep can sod off.
If Optimus Prime is Sonic the Hedgehog, then Nemesis Prime (and Black Convoy really) is Metal Sonic and Shattered Glass Prime is Scourge the Hedgehog. So who would be Shadow?
I feel like SG could be used for more interesting stories than Nemesis but Nemesis can be used more easily like I imagine an Ultron like army of Nemesis' with one at the centre and like a story where SG is like the Kingpin and has to actually fight to keep his power and status
I still find RID Scourge better than most iterations of the Nemesis Prime concept.
It's not really something you can say is definitively better than the other in my opinion, as I think it depends a lot on the type of story you're trying to tell. If it involves the multiverse than yeah definitely Shattered Glass, but if you're going for something more grounded/self-contained than you should go with Nemesis Prime. Plus, NP has a lot of range in regards to origins, from being an evil clone of Optimus, to an Optimus corrupted by Unicron, or a man-made Transformer made by extremists to fight Cybertronian's, whereas with SG Prime it's really only a mirror universe Optimus, and you have to incorporate the other SG characters in some fashion or at least acknowledge them somehow.
Nemesis Prime, because at difference of the Shatterglass one, Nemesis Prime has faced the original Optimus Prime
I definitely prefer the colors on Shattered Glass, Nemesis Prime is just the same old "shadow link" or "nega scott pilgrim" trope.
Nemesis all the way, an evil prime that can be shapped however you want to push a narrative, SG is more restrictive and requires a very specific context that makes it hard to work, hence why comics have been able to use it due to the the mediums nature, Nemesis also adapts to the constant changes the franchise goes.
There is still way more story telling potential with the nemesis prime. Shattered glass prime is just one thing and can only be one thing.
I pictured a fanfic were shattered glass Optimus becomes Nemesis Prime
i feel SG Prime and Shattered Glass as a whole more like a novelty then somthing that should be intergrated into the main stay. Since bringing Shattered Glass up all the time lessens the coolness of this what if idea. thats why i feel Nemesis is better then SH Prime. i'd even say his lack of an origin as a strength since theres more if he was only a herald of Unicron then shows that just want to have an evil prime and not use Unicron now have to deal with the bagaged of him being tied to Unicron.
i hope i managed to convay my point across why i think Nemesis is just a better option then SG Prime
Does anyone else other than me hear Peter Cullen’s Venger voice when you think of how Nemesis/ SG Prime sounds like or is it just me?
PS. I Choose Nemesis Prime
Nemesis, because he’s like cross over character for Rob Halford.
Shattered Glass is just a "What if?" scenario and I prefer if it's stays like that. But Nemesis Prime is a part of the story in many TF series.
Shattered Glass was basically FunPub's April Fools Joke.
where does rid scourge fit in? As he's my favorite.
And how about SG Megatron being more like Perceptor (albeit a mathematician instead of the usual scientist) than normal Optimus?
Anywho, Black Convoy vs. Wicked Purple Convoy...gimme Wicked Purple Convoy for the win, the only ones worthy of being Black Convoy are the originally named Black Convoy aka RiD01 Scourge, and Superlink's Grand Scourge. And maybe the OG who ain't even named it: Copy Convoy from BWII.
I do like Shattered Glass Optimus, but I think Nemesis is better. He looks cooler and has the cooler color scheme in my opinion, and there’s more you could do with him.
I prefer Shattered Glass prime , the fact the factions between Autobots and Deceptions are switched is interesting and I say Shattered Glass Prime is more ruthless than Megatron
SG Optimus for me. I do like the variety of Nemesis Prime, but more often than not, he's a bit generic and only there as "cool black repaint." SG Optimus just feels more like a solid character and threat with his characterization, and it's just the generic evil Optimus.
That said, I'm soooo sick of every good Nemesis Prime toy being a Takara exclusive for double its retail worth. Hasbro PLEASE just reissue the Netflix one or something.
I prefer Nemesis Prime for writ8ng potential. You can do a lot of different things with him, alternate timeline, clone. Brutal powerhouse bent on destruction, nihilist who sees no point in existence. Nemesis is by far the most malleable character in the franchise.
Me personally, I'd have him be a decepticon clone created for Unicron, with his own matrix of destruction. Id make him a nihilist. While optimus has hope for every living thing, Nemesis just wouldn't see a point in anything, whoch is he's willing to work with Unicron.
0:22 The Requiem Blaster is powerful tho
It's not asking what weapon, it's asking which weapon type. As in built-in weapon or handheld weapon. And the Requiem Blaster is an example of handheld.
Easy choice, Shattered Glass. Because, purple being my favourite colour. I still have the entire 2008 box set.
I think Nemesis should resemble Movie OP. He's Optimus but without holding back. his darkside.
clones are their own people they just look like someone else, making it basically twins. So I don't count nemesis prime as an evil optimus prime. Leaving only shatter glass optimus as the only evil optimus.
Admittedly, this one's pretty one-sided because SG Optimus is an actual character with a lot of fiction backing him and Nemesis is just a nebulous concept that only exists to sell black, teal and red/hot pink repaints of Optimii. Nemesis Prime is not a character unless we're talking RID 2001 Scourge or Universe 2003 Nemesis.
Nemesis Prime isn't really a character, he's more of a concept, or dark reflection of Optimus, meanwhile Shattered Glass Optimus is his own character, allowing him to have more depth and nuance. But I am not a big fan of multiversal plots, and Nemesis has more potential, as he's a blank slate, so I'd go Nemesis.
Nemesis Prime or Shattered Glass?
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15:48 I'm sorry but Jazz looks like Jackpot on this panel
Im pretty sure thats bc it *IS* sg jackpot
Nemesis Prime has more freedom to be implemented into any TF media and can be redone over and over again
Everything looks better in black, I say.
To quote a certain triple changer, why not both
Without SG we wouldnt have SSSS Gridman so I vote SG this post is endorsed by the Akane Squad
Toxitron, next question
I am fine with Nemesis Prime being an evil clone of Optimus Prime, but i can´t stand it being a corrupted Optimus Prime. Optimus is supposed to be the parangon of hope and goodness every Grimlock, Megatron, Impactor, Prowl or Starscream fall short of being. Optimus dying and giving the Matrix to Hot Rod (or Hot Shot, or Smokescreen) is far better for him than corrupting him. Same with the Bayverse Psycho.
As for the Shattered Glass version, I have much more tolerance with him, as the SG universe switches the sides: Autobots are evil, Decepticons are good. It also allows for far more creative ideas.