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I'm still on the turbo side of life. I like to have control over the boost, not just shove in whatever it makes at any given rpm and hope that pulling timing calms it down when the track/surface goes away. Also, having a scramble button sure is handy sometimes.
Nice video again! It would be nice to hear Larry talk about the NPK rules, and why would somebody run single turbo, and why somebody wants to run twin turbo, and why nitros, etc.
That's what I'm talkin about! Great info! Thanks for sharing! I like the fact that you can send filtered oil to it so it stays a manageable temp. You could feed it trough a filter then a cooler it should live forever. I would still neutral it for the drag & drives but, that's the tight ass in me talking......The gearbox looks robust.
Another awesome video! Thanks to Larson Race Cars! If anyone wants to see the difference in peak power numbers go check out the video Shawn and Phantom posted about the new updated OG Murder Nova. It's procharged now and puts out significantly less peak power than the NPK Murder Nova does with the twin turbos.
Just a question Larry couldn't you take your turbo exhaust and angle them and Flair them out some to help and create some down force. I know it would probably look ugly but looks don't win races. I don't know if anyone has tried it or if it even works but I guess it's worth a try.
Does Harts have any plans for Belt Driven Chargers for the average guy ? or are they just focusing on cashing in on NPK type builds for Gear Driven Solutions as 'halo' products to promote the rest of the company ?
Can you make a video on all the different types of screw blower's and which one you think is the best to run for NPK for instance because I know that as of right now there is only a Roots and C-rotor screw blower's in the NPK and can you explain which one is easier to tune and which one makes the most power and down force and even throw the twin screw and any other one's you can think of in the video and maybe even go more in-depth with the centrifugal blower like the differences between Procharger, Hart's Charger and Vortec and so on
I'm guessing this was a ad pushed video? I'm not complaining I like the vid...Hart's is gonna make centrifugal blowers? Awesome...I heard also company's are working on electronically controlled variable gearsets! Which would be amazing for tuning and elevation changes!
Great video Larry!!! It seems like procharger technology is taking over! I hope that you throw that big ol girl on your caddy!!! You'll be a force next year at npk!!! I'll be rooting for ya!!!
Crank driven such as a procharger or this set up people say is easier because boost is made by the rotation of the crank.. slow down the crank and you have less boost etc.. and with a crank driven turbo there's not going to be the lag
Larry, Think about an electric compressor you could place off the frontend, using a capacitor to power it and control spooling with an ecu. Billy Godbold is working on a cam for it. Shut it off for Dragweek travailing and charge the capacitor for boost. They already exist. Something to think about
I'd love to sit in that shop and just pay attention and absorb all the knowledge that Mr. Larson has in his head. The guy has been trying new ideas and tricks ever since his drag week nova which I still say is still the fastest STEEL, GLASS, AND TRULY DRIVEN street cars our there. Tim McAmis did a bit before on April fools day about him building a RC promod that was remote controlled so you could sit in the toter eating cheetos and still race a car. I believe that if they were to go back to actually having to stage, launch and shift the car manually and not with a array of computers and gizmos that there would be fewer real race car drivers who are super consistent and competitive. But I'm just old school like that
With two sets of stand offs that's got to walk around a good bit at speed. A damper with a built in roller clutch or a diode along with a four pinion planet would probably take some length off the assembly. Hopefully their gear sets will be coated but a fine screen with a magnet in the return just in case.
I am glad you mentioned zoomies and the benefits, been called a liar for saying the exact same thing. While there is a weight break for SC's, I believe the zommie effect (boosted downforce) is more the advantage. Personally I'd like to see them eliminated. that would equalize things and keep yearly changes hopefully to a minimum
@@chicago_race_engines7538, Well they have to do something, you never see these much change at NHRA events, because everything is already limited ion the scope of what you can do. F1 every few years have to outlaw some exhaust tech, that gives unfair advantages. Every automotive or cycling organization had rules that limit thing like this, Zoomies provide an unfair mechanical advantage to both Nitrous and SC cars, that turbo cars can't replicate. If everyone can't use it, it should be outlawed. instead of changing the weight breaks every year, make everyone run through a 5" stovepipe or two. equalize the downforce advantage from the zoomies, then you can start maximizing all builds and make the racing more fair. Do not get me wrong, I like the effect of zoomies, they stabilize the car and make it safer as well as faster. Bur if everyone can't use it it's an unfair advantage and will force everyone into cookie cutter SC or nitrous setups. Everyone says NHRA prostock is boring, because it's basically spec cars (all run the same chassis and running gear more or less) Do you really want that at No Prep? everyone running the newest Camaro's with SC/nitrous Hemi's? Because that is where it's headed, unless it's stopped. I'd rather see some diversity in the racing, over just paint and decals identifying each car and racer. How about you?
Can you use a blow off valve to tune the boost on a centrifugal supercharger, similar to using a wastegate on a turbo, but in the intake tract instead?
It's not as simple as turbo cars have to be heavier. It depends on whether the engine is small block or big block, the size of the turbos, the size of the charger, the number of turbos etc. Some turbo combos are lighter. The whole idea of the weight is to try and balance the field otherwise everyone is going to run the same car and same combo.
The added weight is taking turbo cars out of the equation in my personal opinion! Considering that they're the hardest combo's to tune and they're the slowest off of the line, I'd say that they're absolutely at a disadvantage! 1/4 mile race different story, a 1/8 mile race is quick! It seems like nitrous and procharger cars with lockouts are the cars to beat with the current rules!
7:30 that's fine it doesn't make the most power. From what I see almost no one can put every bit of their power down on the track anyway at this point. Power isn't the issue these days as much as getting all that power down and maintaining traction.
Regarding the headers, IMO they should outlaw the zoomies. I know the cars are basically pro mods and not street cars, but zoomies have no business in this form of racing...again, IMO.
You can tune a turbo by adjusting the psi, especially with an e-gate. You sound like a turbo hater. You can't tune the same as you are used to maybe, but saying a charger is more tuneable than a turbo is ridiculous.
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As per my new usual I come here to get inside access into what’s currently going on in drag racing, from Larry Larson himself, without all the theater and production of so many RUclips offerings, and I pay nothing for it…..honored Sir. Thank you
Same .
Brotha man you're the Bob Ross of racing, your humble to give advice and info and not a hater....unlike the other pre modonna's on the circuit...
Looking forward to seeing the Cadillac as one of the top cars in NPK! Hate seeing you struggling knowing how competitive you've always been!
Larry...could literally listen to you all day. Geeking out on all the insight. Appreciate you tanking the time to share
Best explanation on the difference on power adders, thanks much appreciated, now i know what i need. Thanks
Can't wait to see one installed on your ATS!
Thanks for the lesson. Looking forward to your next videos. Keep up the great work.
This is the most educational channel on RUclips keep it up
I'm still on the turbo side of life. I like to have control over the boost, not just shove in whatever it makes at any given rpm and hope that pulling timing calms it down when the track/surface goes away. Also, having a scramble button sure is handy sometimes.
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Thank you for the information. I'm just a maintenance guy trying to understand a sport I wish I could afford
Thanks for the info you make it so a small time low dollar racers can make the rite choice in the future
Thanks for the teachings !
Nice video again! It would be nice to hear Larry talk about the NPK rules, and why would somebody run single turbo, and why somebody wants to run twin turbo, and why nitros, etc.
Really nice piece. Happy holidays, stay safe and healthy. Be safe in your travels.
thanks for explaining all the pros and cons Larry, makes more sense to me now!
Good information. Never liked the look of zoomies on car's but didn't know the advantage of them.
Really looking forward to seeing how the new Harts Charger performs compared to Procharger. Seems like a more durable piece.
Does Hart have intentions on building smaller blowers, like belt driven street car stuff?
Thank you Larry, great video as always!
Thank you for the video, it's cool to see the knowledge you have.
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Are you running the caddy on this combo for 2022?
Thanks for the great videos. I like to learn something always Before I get to bed. I guess I was taught that.
Be nice to see that on the Caddy, even cooler is a throw back to the Nova!
That's what I'm talkin about! Great info! Thanks for sharing! I like the fact that you can send filtered oil to it so it stays a manageable temp. You could feed it trough a filter then a cooler it should live forever. I would still neutral it for the drag & drives but, that's the tight ass in me talking......The gearbox looks robust.
Very good explanation. Your a natural teacher. Lol keep up the good work love the videos.
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Nice piece , and looking forward to its performance as compared to the others out there. Thanks !
Another awesome video! Thanks to Larson Race Cars! If anyone wants to see the difference in peak power numbers go check out the video Shawn and Phantom posted about the new updated OG Murder Nova. It's procharged now and puts out significantly less peak power than the NPK Murder Nova does with the twin turbos.
Just a question Larry couldn't you take your turbo exhaust and angle them and Flair them out some to help and create some down force. I know it would probably look ugly but looks don't win races. I don't know if anyone has tried it or if it even works but I guess it's worth a try.
Great video Larry! Love to hear the tech side of It !
Does Harts have any plans for Belt Driven Chargers for the average guy ? or are they just focusing on cashing in on NPK type builds for Gear Driven Solutions as 'halo' products to promote the rest of the company ?
Great video !! 👏🏻👏🏻
Can you make a video on all the different types of screw blower's and which one you think is the best to run for NPK for instance because I know that as of right now there is only a Roots and C-rotor screw blower's in the NPK and can you explain which one is easier to tune and which one makes the most power and down force and even throw the twin screw and any other one's you can think of in the video and maybe even go more in-depth with the centrifugal blower like the differences between Procharger, Hart's Charger and Vortec and so on
A Larry good luck i want to see you run in Puerto Rico have a lot fan in PR
I'm guessing this was a ad pushed video? I'm not complaining I like the vid...Hart's is gonna make centrifugal blowers? Awesome...I heard also company's are working on electronically controlled variable gearsets! Which would be amazing for tuning and elevation changes!
Torque storm makes some good pro chargers as well and with torque storm you can twin supercharge
Amazing 👏 love these videos well done mate good job
Great video Larry!!! It seems like procharger technology is taking over! I hope that you throw that big ol girl on your caddy!!! You'll be a force next year at npk!!! I'll be rooting for ya!!!
That's a nice piece!
I’m assuming you would run a pre filter before the supercharger oil supply?
Crank driven such as a procharger or this set up people say is easier because boost is made by the rotation of the crank.. slow down the crank and you have less boost etc.. and with a crank driven turbo there's not going to be the lag
Thank you for explaining the differences to idiots like myself!
We need more videos like this
Larry, Think about an electric compressor you could place off the frontend, using a capacitor to power it and control spooling with an ecu. Billy Godbold is working on a cam for it. Shut it off for Dragweek travailing and charge the capacitor for boost. They already exist. Something to think about
What happened to the Harts Charger? I haven’t seen anyone running it and it’s been about a year since it was released.
Is the harmonics on that design different than others? Crankshaft mainly
I'd love to sit in that shop and just pay attention and absorb all the knowledge that Mr. Larson has in his head. The guy has been trying new ideas and tricks ever since his drag week nova which I still say is still the fastest STEEL, GLASS, AND TRULY DRIVEN street cars our there. Tim McAmis did a bit before on April fools day about him building a RC promod that was remote controlled so you could sit in the toter eating cheetos and still race a car. I believe that if they were to go back to actually having to stage, launch and shift the car manually and not with a array of computers and gizmos that there would be fewer real race car drivers who are super consistent and competitive. But I'm just old school like that
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thanks for sharing learned allot
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With two sets of stand offs that's got to walk around a good bit at speed. A damper with a built in roller clutch or a diode along with a four pinion planet would probably take some length off the assembly. Hopefully their gear sets will be coated but a fine screen with a magnet in the return just in case.
Are you going to continue with NPK. Is it worth it?
Couple questions. What does a scramble button do ?Add boost? Or is that a nitrous shot on a non nitrous car?
@Matthew Begin - Yes, a scramble button on a turbo car increases boost by a pre determined (in the tuning software) amount.
I’m assuming Hart doesn’t want him ditching his turbos for a ProCharger, so they had to come out with their own design to keep him on board.
I am glad you mentioned zoomies and the benefits, been called a liar for saying the exact same thing. While there is a weight break for SC's, I believe the zommie effect (boosted downforce) is more the advantage. Personally I'd like to see them eliminated. that would equalize things and keep yearly changes hopefully to a minimum
They would never ever ban zoomies....wouldn't and couldn't happen.
@@chicago_race_engines7538, Well they have to do something, you never see these much change at NHRA events, because everything is already limited ion the scope of what you can do. F1 every few years have to outlaw some exhaust tech, that gives unfair advantages. Every automotive or cycling organization had rules that limit thing like this, Zoomies provide an unfair mechanical advantage to both Nitrous and SC cars, that turbo cars can't replicate. If everyone can't use it, it should be outlawed. instead of changing the weight breaks every year, make everyone run through a 5" stovepipe or two. equalize the downforce advantage from the zoomies, then you can start maximizing all builds and make the racing more fair. Do not get me wrong, I like the effect of zoomies, they stabilize the car and make it safer as well as faster. Bur if everyone can't use it it's an unfair advantage and will force everyone into cookie cutter SC or nitrous setups. Everyone says NHRA prostock is boring, because it's basically spec cars (all run the same chassis and running gear more or less) Do you really want that at No Prep? everyone running the newest Camaro's with SC/nitrous Hemi's? Because that is where it's headed, unless it's stopped. I'd rather see some diversity in the racing, over just paint and decals identifying each car and racer. How about you?
@@crazylarryjr Yes I would like to see that tired of them banging popping bump in Is slow spooling up Turbo's gone
@@crazylarryjr the parity thing is such a touchy subject. But I agree rules need to be updated
@@crazylarryjr and I agree it's driving me crazy seeing all the same setups popping up.
Can you use a blow off valve to tune the boost on a centrifugal supercharger, similar to using a wastegate on a turbo, but in the intake tract instead?
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Wait, which video has part 1 of this discussion??
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Quick question, how come turbo cars have to be heavier than pro charger cars at npk?
I think they try to maintain a particular horsepower to weight ratio to keep it competitive and also for safety reasons as well I'd have to guess.
It's not as simple as turbo cars have to be heavier. It depends on whether the engine is small block or big block, the size of the turbos, the size of the charger, the number of turbos etc. Some turbo combos are lighter. The whole idea of the weight is to try and balance the field otherwise everyone is going to run the same car and same combo.
The added weight is taking turbo cars out of the equation in my personal opinion! Considering that they're the hardest combo's to tune and they're the slowest off of the line, I'd say that they're absolutely at a disadvantage! 1/4 mile race different story, a 1/8 mile race is quick! It seems like nitrous and procharger cars with lockouts are the cars to beat with the current rules!
I'm surprised you're not running Pro Charger.....it's in our backyard big dog.
thats a big boy
NPK appear to follow NHRA promod rules. Why are you using that huge turbo?
Howard County MO's finest invention
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first 👍's up Larry thanks for sharing
That thing looks really long compaired to the gear driven ProCharger units.
7:30 that's fine it doesn't make the most power. From what I see almost no one can put every bit of their power down on the track anyway at this point. Power isn't the issue these days as much as getting all that power down and maintaining traction.
Regarding the headers, IMO they should outlaw the zoomies. I know the cars are basically pro mods and not street cars, but zoomies have no business in this form of racing...again, IMO.
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You will lose 10 or 12 pounds of boost when at high elevation's with the pro chargers I dont know about the hearts yet!
They all lose boost at elevation doesn't matter what brand it is🧁
Well hopefully they don't break as easily/often as a procharger!!!
Look out pro charger
I'm thinking of switching from Zippo to ft to light taco farts 10% beta cause killer chevy does it and he's the biggest asshole fr405
...and yet daily driven econo boxes are determined to use turbos and think it will be reliable. Surprise!
You can tune a turbo by adjusting the psi, especially with an e-gate. You sound like a turbo hater. You can't tune the same as you are used to maybe, but saying a charger is more tuneable than a turbo is ridiculous.
zoomies downforce! awesome intel