"spaceman" -oh, i understand: You're one of the lobotomized ones which change car at each 2-3 years just because the producer announce it's for sale "new model". You don't use YOUR BRAIN, but just let others to think and decide for you. Newest models are ssstupid exhaust obturated, which give stellar egt and very low reliability, not to mention astronomical rise of electronics involved, which give opportunity to break everytime something. PS i use a 1999 vw passat awd (torsen) tdi vp37 which got 750.000km and still took one gallon per 100km (or even better) and works just fine at DOUBLED factory power and torque (clutch upgraded too) .
14 years ago or not, my Subaru Legacy has superior handling than most modern pieces of crap on the road, no one else seems to notice but Subaru people will understand. In the wet or snow it's in a league of its own particularly. Great for overtaking 40 mph zombies also ruclips.net/video/nsUtbP1j5EE/видео.html
I posted this AND I was there and drove the vehicles myself. I definitely didn't want to look bad and didn't know what each vehicle was capable of when climbing the hill. Each person was able to see for themselves the differences. Keep in mind most of the Subaru dealers at that time were partnered with other brands in the same store. Most of the consultants sold more brands than just Subaru and in higher volumes (hence more allegiance due to bigger paycheck). These exercises were eye opening.
I have a mk1 CR-V and it wouldn't struggle with a hill like that at all. I know they changed the design but surely it couldn't be worse than first gen ?
This was an event hosted by subaru in which subaru sales associates participated. The assicuates reported THEIR findings. Subaru did not report that they were the best. It was the sales associates. And as someone who has driven other cars in the snow and now owns a WRX (2005), I watch trucks slide down hills in winter tires that I then climb easily in all-weather tires. Severe winter conditions, Maine. EDITED: I changed 'consultants' to sales associates for clarity. Whilst it was an all in-house event, the results speak for themselves. You don't need to fake it when you win easily without cheating.
People in big trucks seem to be clueless. Ive help a number of 4x4 suburbans get unstuck in deep we snow because they were blocking my sebring convertible. drove in, helped them drove in. People are idiots
Subarus AWD system is amazing. I took my STi on a jeep road to 11000ft in telluride, people in their lifted Jeeps were looking at me like i was crazy. With the right tires, its unstoppable in the snow, ive plowed through 3 foot snowdrifts while jeeps, tahoes and x5s were rolled off the side of the road. Even on sheets of ice uphill, the car just goes up, all 4 tires spinning, sliding sideways uphill...its fun as hell. and it brakes amazing in the snow, turns awesome, and outaccelarates anything
We used to drive Toyota’s. We desperately needed an AWD vehicle for my wife, as we live 5 miles from town up in the mountains and 25 miles from the city. We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter and we have to plow and maintain our private road ourselves. On all of our Toyota’s AWD vehicles we had to put studded tires on for winter traction. My wife wanted an Outback for her birthday so I bought her one. We drove on the factory tires year round until they wore out. We then installed Michelin Cross Climate tires. They’re Awesome tires for dry, snowy, wet, slushy roads. I was so impressed with the traction of her Outback that I decided to replace my 11 Rav Limited 4WD with a Forester Touring last December, (2022). I miss the 269hp 3.5 V6 in my Rav, but the traction, comfort, outward visibility, safety of our Subie’s are awesome. After buying our Subaru’s and selling our Toyota’s our insurance premiums DROPPED by $300 per year per Subaru. I asked my insurance agent why our premiums dropped and we were told it’s because of the safety, accident avoidance, traction control system and that Subaru’s are less likely to be stolen. So far our Subaru’s have been flawless. Both of our Subaru’s are 2019 year models. My wife’s Outback had only 5,600 miles on it in 21 and my Forester had 4,700 miles. My wife’s Outback now has only 28K miles and my Forester has 11K miles. Our Subaru dealership has a poor service department in Wenatchee, WA so we take our Subie’s to H&D Auto in Wenatchee who only works on Subaru’s. When the Outback hits 30K miles I’ll take it in for the 30K mile maintenance. Subaru wants $600, but H&D wants only $350. I have the oil and filter changed every 5K miles with Kirkland full synthetic oil. Kirkland (from Costco), flows quicker in cold temperatures than Mobile One. I’ll have our mechanic change the front and rear differential, transfer case, bleed the brakes, change the cabin filter and everything else that needs to be replaced. Our mechanic recommends replacing the CVT fluid every 60K miles, so that will be done as well.
I just bought a used 2004 Subaru Outback. It's my first AWD vehicle. I've not driven it up any 35 degree grades yet, or on icy roads, but it does perform better in traffic than any other car I've owned. I've had to make some quick, sharp turns with it and it performs with no problems. I am so glad I went with a Subaru. This is going to be my road trip vehicle.
Every winter in wisconsin I continue to pull an average of 4 or 5 newer AWD cars out of the snow with my 04 wrx. Never fails to amaze me how well it performs in slippery conditions
I've done the dirt hill climb is Subaru's before. My father used to sell them and his dealership used to have a cool dirt and gravel track off on the side of the property. He told me to put the car in 3rd gear and man did that Forester zip up the steep hill without a problem. Down was just as fun. I used to have a 95 Legacy and it was the best car I ever drove in the snow and other crappy conditions! It was like a mountain goat!
I had a few models and did alot of trails. Still can't believe how well they did. I mean going up steps driving up creeks and poweline hills. Daily drivers too.
@@porkchopexpress6969 Lol. Hummer. Put my outback 3.6L against Hummer in any conditions. Same drivers different cars. All sucked probably, but Subaru was most capable. ?
I am a pretty die-hard Subaru fan... owned an Impreza and now a Forester, but this video is pathetic. It is quite obvious that the Volvo was chucked harder on the skid pad..... and the hill climb seemed fishy to me. I doubt they had their foot hard down. All this video does is make a good brand seem like they need to lie to seem better. No disrespect to the other brands. Volvo and Toyota are both fantastic in my mind as well.
Richard Bonnell the XC70 that walked up the hill is the exact same weight an chassis as well as AWD system as the XC90 that mysteriously kept stalling, please note i have driven up a slick ice hill towing a caravan in my XC90 far more extreme than anything tested here. I have also owned a 2006 forester and I would say it performed no better than the XC90 I currently own driving around a muddy farm yard
They probably did have the their for to the floor. Most awd systems reach a limit where no more power goes to the wheels if traction control is on. Subaru will do the same thing. They had traction control off when the subies went up the hill
@Freddy McIntire ok i didn't the engine was redlining lol isn't it electronic peddle anyway? I'll I'm saying is that you're not in control, the traction control is what's limiting
I've owned a 2006 XC70, took it on a frozen lake, had impeccable control and grip. I've just bought a 21 Crosstrek. Also great control and grip, though it mostly comes to tires at the end of the day, which is how they get results to favour one car over the other.
Angel R. I actually think Subaru builds a great car, to the point that this sort of video shenanigans is just sad. I expect better from them, all you have to do is drive any of the Subaru's and you will see and feel that they are very solid cars. I will say the motors are weak in comparison to some, best suited to 400hp or less at the wheels if longevity is a consideration.
yeah don't kill my dream of a Subaru lol. I currently have one, and I'm trying to build it stronger. I've owned many cars, and this is different. I can't wait to see how it handles in snow.
The B9 Tribeca was absolutely a competitor for the XC90. The XC90 was the most cross shopped vehicle at the time. The B9 Tribeca was very comparable in stats and amenities.
Glad that the algorithm was kind enough to grace me with this video Also, super interesting that during the 2nd test, the icy hill simulation, every single vehicle's passenger front wheel stays almost completely still. Not really sure why - it's clear some of them have sufficiently advanced TC / torque management to get past the classic open-differential-on-ice problem, so if those rollers were particularly sticky it should just pick up and go.
I'd like to see one done by a car magazine or something, not by a specific manufacturer trying to sell their shit. Every manufacturer will rig the tests to suit their cars best
+dpajc056 I stopped watching after seeing that they put on the the Subaru against a Volvo xc90, I have one. I shouldnt do corners like that Subaru, the Volvo weighs 2.5 tons. Thats probably at least a ton more than that Subaru. If it could corner as good then Subaru would need to go back to the drawing board.
+dpajc056 It is clearly rigged... you can see it. For the "Log and icy hill start", each of the competitors cars are driven onto the roller area, stopped and then they try to get it going, the Subaru Legacy does make it like this. Whereas for the Subaru Tribeca, if you look closely, the driver rolls back onto the non-roller bit, dumps the throttle and then makes it. (around 4:30) The cheat here is that the driver used momentum, to get the car over the simulated hill, a FWD with no LSD could make it as well...if momentum was used!
+dpajc056 traction has more to do with tires than awd or 4wd, and a driver can make a car seem out of control by over correcting, videos from a car manufacture down playing others is personal spin to get you to believe theirs is the better buy
This was a recap for all of the people that got to drive each vehicle for themselves. The only people meant to see this were the ones that actually were able to experience the differences.
Just bought an '06 Outback this summer and shortly after hit some fairly deep, muddy dirt roads around Farmington, NM while looking for my campsite. That's when I fell in love with this thing... it handled great in the mud.
The Volvo XC70 shouldn't have handled like that on the wet test - it's ESP system should have controlled that behaviour. Far be it from me to speculate that it may have been deactivated for the purposes of making the Subarus look better
+Samuel Brooks Although the 2003 XC90 had ESP as standard, the 2006 XC70, sold in the US, did not. In fact, it's hard to find a 2006 XC70, sold in the US, that had it. However, ESP became standard on the XC70 in 2007. It would be highly likely that the 2006 XC70 shown in this video, did not have ESP.
Not only that but in the hill test, the XC90 more than likely weighs the most but only has 200 some odd HP to make it up there. If it had the T6, I’m sure it would’ve been fine.
@@destruxandexploze2552 How can you be so sure? are you being fooled by the camera zoom? the Subaru is already zoomed in while the Volvo wasn't, this gives the impression that the car is speeding away
This was the first time Subaru used the rollers as an exercise. In this instance they had low traction. In subsequent videos they are used as having zero traction or full traction.
Some tests were professional drivers. Even when their were sales consultants in the car, there was a professional driver in the passenger seat giving instructions. Over 2,000 people drove the cars on the hill. They didn't know what to expect. They took turns in the competitive vehicle and then in a Subaru. No one wanted to look bad by not making it up the hill in either vehicle. Some vehicles made it and some didn't. It was an eye opening experience for the attendees.
50/50 lock is still useful in snow and off road conditions, not sure how hard it could be especially if they put paddle shifters on a CVT forester. Subaru AWD is good, but having a system like the nissan I think is much better, gives you the option e.g 2wd, auto (subaru awd mode) & lock(50/50)
Notice in the roller test both Subaru vehicles were fitted with the active center diff. If the standard system on the Forrester in the first test were used the result would have been very different. I own both a Subaru outback and a Lancer Ralliart and can say with 100% certainty that the bone stock symmetrical AWD system in the Subaru is far inferior to the more advanced active + limited slip diff system in the Mitsubishi on slick surfaces. Not to mention the tenancy of the Subaru system to under-steer under power instead of over-steering on semi slick surfaces, I know under-steer is considered "safer" but I find it to be much less predictable in snowy conditions.
Subaru used to sell over 1,500 - 2,500 Tribecas a month back in 2005-2007. When Outback went through the roof, Subaru pulled back on Tribeca production and pulled all factory incentives.
the uphill part is frustrating because they will not let the wheels spin on the honda and others because if they did the awd systems would kick on like they are supposed to it depends on wheel spin
biased as hell...if you want us to believe you put the sound to hear the engines on the hill climb...that will tell us if they are struggling or just not given enough gas
Bro the B9 Tribeca's roller hill climb test was rigged af. There was so much momentum gained before the rollers that a lincoln continental could've sailed over the rollers like that.
Xitong Zheng tires are the most important thing. a awd car with all seasons tired won't perform as well as a front wheel drive car with winter tires. if all these cars had the same sand and mud tired they'd perform better.
I originally bought my wife an 05 crv because Hondas were always good reliable cars but quickly found out that the crv is the biggest pile of garbage ever and got rid of it and now she's driving an 08 forester. Personally I have a 99 legacy gt and an 08 impreza hatchback.
But wouldn't you agree, having a lock mode and 2wd mode also give more incentive to buy the car? Like if I was a buyer (currently looking for a midsize suv) I would like that option if it was available.
@8:55 you say "These are Subaru Sales People at the Wheel. Not Professional Drivers"! Shouldn't it be the other way about for an unbiased and proper test?
This Chanel is pro Subaru, I call instant bollocks, the advert was talking about Subaru having off road control turned on but no mention of winter mode being turned on on the Volvo, I have driven my v8 xc90 up a slick ice hill far more extreme then anything here and it did it whilst towing a caravan. May I also note the XC90 is same car as the XC70 that drives straight up the hill. Rigged? I think so
at 6:08 you can tell the volvo driver grab the ebrake to slide rear out of control! soo fake as shit! I have a v70 FWD and handles great in rain has tracs control and i've took turns a 40mph real hard and it didn't look like this act! lol..
Well the difference is that when Subaru´s AWD system realises slip, it put´s more power to the other wheels while Quattro decreases power on the wheel with slip. So you can´t say that Subaru is better than Audi because at one test Quattro is better than Subaru and on another test it´s the other way round. But still, I think I would prefer Quattro XD
I’m calling bullshit on this one. I’ve owned a Volvo and I’ve owned a Subaru Forester. The Subaru drove like a car from the 80’s. The Volvo handled much, much better. The steering in the Subaru was far too light and the whole car would roll on bends and upset the steering. The clutch also was a joke. Soo snappy. And plastic, basic trim, no blue tooth on a 2009 model really?! And the Subaru had such a tinny body, I would hate to hit a Volvo in one...
Daniel Costello Funny because the Forester is well known for having the most complaint ride of small crossovers for 3 generations. It's be documented for over a decade by third party reviews.
love the guys on the hill getting half way up and then just letting off on the gas. "oh looks like it can't get up" haha. Yeah it won't get up unless you give it some gas. I mean that CVT had no chance in hell, but the volvo? haha that dude is the worst driver i'v ever seen. 8:34 worse than my girlfriend xD
0:53 it was funny seeing the exact car that i drive going around the slalom perfectly. i can attest to this, the tribeca is pretty quick and handles AMAZING.
I feel this video is pretty accurate but they fail to mention in the video. Not all Subaru AWD systems are the same. The Foresters, Crosstreks and regular Impreza use a 90:10 split then go 50:50 when slippage is detected.Although It's an active system. The 3.0R and the 3.6R use a different center diff. It's 45:55 split until it detects slip which it'll go 50:50. It's a proactive system. I believe the WRX and the STI use a similar center diff. Not sure which ones but the STI's also have a LSD rear diff as well as well as the DCCD control knob. You don't want to be anywhere hard on the gas when you're turning and slipping at the same time, else your car is going in the direction that the front end is pointed. Good in straight line. Takes some learning when it comes to corners. A Subaru doesn't have fancy torque vectoring between side to side.
I agree I had an Australian delivered 2007 Outback Auto with 'AWD'. This is an on demand rear drive being about 90:10 split until front slip is detected then it electrically locks the centre diff and it's 50:50. Unfortunately once the centre is locked if both front wheels are on similar surface, say loose sand, the car no longer detects wheel slip, so it releases the centre diff, resulting in slip, which causes the centre diff to relock. Progress is more like a series of rabbit hops when going up a steep hill rather than steady progress. Subarus response, 'system is operating to designed settings'.
Performance Subaru models, particularly the STi, which I own, are terrifying if you don't know how to corner them. Mine came with aftermarket race suspension, which makes it even more scary. It's all about tge weight transfer. You should never brake, or lift off the throttle in a corner. Snap oversteer is a bitch. I come on hard with the brakes before the corner, and gradually let them off as I come into the corner, before smoothly transitioning to the gas, and then go full bore after the apex of the turn. No sudden shifts in weight distribution, and when done right, the car doesn't fight you at all.
and no mitsubishi,mitsubishi awd cars are as good if not better than subarus,mitsubishi 4x4 and awd 4wd cars are amazing,one of the reason why subaru sti cant compete with evos when it comes to corners andboff road,my mitsubishis montero limited 4x4 or my 2005 kia sorento 4x4 would climb that little hill under heavy rain real easy.
The 12 year old Volvo XC90, amazingly, just got a 'good' score on the IIHS's new "Small Overlap Crash Test". Volvo now has 4 'good' scores for 4 models tested--100% with 'good' scores. The only car company to accomplish this. Subaru has done well also, with 8 models tested - 3 'acceptable' scores, and 5 'good' score. Not bad, but not as good as Volvo.
@@瘰 False. Volvo can do crash testing in their Safety Center that the IIHS, NHTSA, and NCAP can't do. That is, crash cars at all angles with BOTH cars moving. Subaru can't do that either.
I like how they used a XC70 WITHOUT traction and or stability control. I have one and with those on, you can do whatever on icy, wet and muddy roads without loosing any bit of control. And that XC90 could climb that and even more
there's no way that a volvo xc90 can't pull itself up this hill unless there are engine or transmission trouble. I own one and I know this video is fake as hell
Volvo is known for crash safety, not handling. Let me remind you that your volvo most likely uses a Yamaha boat engine setup in the worst way in the engine bay. Ever wounder why there are 10 subaru's on the road for every one volvo? I own a 2011 outback sport and I've witnessed fist hand how well the Subaru AWD system handles on ice and snow. You don't have to accept it but you better reference some concrete proof and im not talking about your midnight trip to taco bell in 2" snow, even my wife's civic handles that.
I had a 2006 Forester for 12 years and no problems with it. It performed better in the snow than my previous Toyota and Ford pickups. I live in the NE and had zero rust on the car. I bought a 2019 Forester 3 years ago. Love it too.
Subarus are great 4wd machines for the price with very good power, handling and reliability, my only concern is about the dated style of all the line. I can remember some futuristic ones as the tribeca, but they are gone. I hope next gen subarus will be better on this point.
Why dont you compare with bmw, merc, audi, Mitsubishi, land rover if you want to compare the performance.. or you just want to compare the same segment car.. ?
LOL 4 wheel rollers will get you absolutely nowhere in any car, You can see the Front Right wheel doesn't move as much this is effectively a 3 wheel roller with a front bias (The easiest kind to test AWD Performance). In the Tribeca "With only a little bit of effort" REALLY NIGGA? He power climbed (Gained Momentum) if that is "only a little bit of effort" then all cars are Subarus....
Shameful video. Could have been done in a honest way too... xc90 reaches twice the point of passing over but then magically there is no more throttle applied.... the xc70 has no ESP in this comparison? Then VDC (Subs ESP) makes it uneven. I am a Sub Outback owner. Super happy, yet I prefer honesty to bs..
Lol this is bs. I drive a subaru impreza wrx, but this test is clearly biased. Volvos are great cars and honestly better quality than subarus. forester doesent even have diff locks.
I am still looking for that log they were talking about during that roller test, that is a stick of firewood where I come from, it certainly does not qualify as no log
Subaru was the first to have a CVT in the US with the Justy. Nissan's CVT's are poorly executed which is why Subaru decided to go in house with theirs and make a much better unit that is designed for an AWD application from inception.
7:50 2006 "The Nissan Murano has an unusual continuously variable transmission..." 2015 "Our entire line of Subarus have a wonderful continuously variable transmission..."
First got my 08 forester right before a snow storm in the south east where no one can handle snow, plowed right through and hills ice banks or snow. Love it
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I love the fact that he says the Nissan Murano has an unusual cvt trasmission, when nearly all the Subarus now have them.
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I laughed so hard when the Honda did the slalom. Dude just SENT IT.
Oh man. I laughed so hard on this comment. You made my day. 😂
That's what i thought till i saw the volvo full send
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7:50 “Nissan Murano has an unusual continuously variable transmission”
Subaru in 2020 : Am I joke to you?
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Does Subaru provide cvt in their new cars?.......
CVTs have been standard since 2010 in most subarus
@@glub__blub that's sad news ☹️ I hate CVTs.......
@@theraildynasty_ same here, I’m in the process of buying an outback and avoiding the cvts is very tricky
No one:
RUclips: hey heres a car video from 14 years ago
I drive a 2006 Forester X. I am loving this vid!
and yet 9k of us dummies watched it.....
"spaceman" -oh, i understand: You're one of the lobotomized ones which change car at each 2-3 years just because the producer announce it's for sale "new model". You don't use YOUR BRAIN, but just let others to think and decide for you.
Newest models are ssstupid exhaust obturated, which give stellar egt and very low reliability, not to mention astronomical rise of electronics involved, which give opportunity to break everytime something.
PS i use a 1999 vw passat awd (torsen) tdi vp37 which got 750.000km and still took one gallon per 100km (or even better) and works just fine at DOUBLED factory power and torque (clutch upgraded too) .
14 years ago or not, my Subaru Legacy has superior handling than most modern pieces of crap on the road, no one else seems to notice but Subaru people will understand. In the wet or snow it's in a league of its own particularly.
Great for overtaking 40 mph zombies also
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Me like one more year.
I posted this AND I was there and drove the vehicles myself. I definitely didn't want to look bad and didn't know what each vehicle was capable of when climbing the hill. Each person was able to see for themselves the differences. Keep in mind most of the Subaru dealers at that time were partnered with other brands in the same store. Most of the consultants sold more brands than just Subaru and in higher volumes (hence more allegiance due to bigger paycheck). These exercises were eye opening.
the tribeca drove good?
The potholes, tight curves, traction, and driving up mountains probably explains why almost every Oregonian has a Subaru
@@EugeneAyindolmah don’t forget the weather….
Rain, snow, etc….
I have a mk1 CR-V and it wouldn't struggle with a hill like that at all.
I know they changed the design but surely it couldn't be worse than first gen ?
No
"these aren't professional drivers they're Subaru salesmen" lolololol
Thats a discrete way of saying "Rally enthusiasts"
It’s also a discrete way of saying there’s bias!
But I do luv my Subaru 👍
@@andrewnicolas4839 in the video they litterally say the opposite 1:43
@@Aronsson007 I litterally believe everything everyone says. I don't believe the subaru's were launched from a grip point on the inclined roller bed.
@Rekt height so what is your point
A Subaru is still better then your corolla
This was an event hosted by subaru in which subaru sales associates participated. The assicuates reported THEIR findings. Subaru did not report that they were the best. It was the sales associates. And as someone who has driven other cars in the snow and now owns a WRX (2005), I watch trucks slide down hills in winter tires that I then climb easily in all-weather tires. Severe winter conditions, Maine.
EDITED: I changed 'consultants' to sales associates for clarity. Whilst it was an all in-house event, the results speak for themselves. You don't need to fake it when you win easily without cheating.
You may want to listen to 8:55 then. Apparently try it’s Subaru sales folks driving here.
@@SuzukiKid400 Just for that one hill climb scene it seems
People in big trucks seem to be clueless. Ive help a number of 4x4 suburbans get unstuck in deep we snow because they were blocking my sebring convertible. drove in, helped them drove in. People are idiots
I live in franklin county and my parents have always had subaru's. they're hands down the best cars for maine.
@@SuzukiKid400 stay mad lmao
Subarus AWD system is amazing. I took my STi on a jeep road to 11000ft in telluride, people in their lifted Jeeps were looking at me like i was crazy. With the right tires, its unstoppable in the snow, ive plowed through 3 foot snowdrifts while jeeps, tahoes and x5s were rolled off the side of the road. Even on sheets of ice uphill, the car just goes up, all 4 tires spinning, sliding sideways uphill...its fun as hell. and it brakes amazing in the snow, turns awesome, and outaccelarates anything
@C K you are so stupid lmfao
@C K you just simply said a wrong statement. you can hate Subarus all you want but don't lie.
@C K 95%? They have the same symmetrical awd in every car. There is no 4x4 used in any.
@C K The STI has lockable differentials
@C K well thats just plain wrong, lmao
We used to drive Toyota’s.
We desperately needed an AWD vehicle for my wife, as we live 5 miles from town up in the mountains and 25 miles from the city.
We get 5-7 feet of snow every winter and we have to plow and maintain our private road ourselves.
On all of our Toyota’s AWD vehicles we had to put studded tires on for winter traction.
My wife wanted an Outback for her birthday so I bought her one.
We drove on the factory tires year round until they wore out.
We then installed Michelin Cross Climate tires. They’re Awesome tires for dry, snowy, wet, slushy roads.
I was so impressed with the traction of her Outback that I decided to replace my 11 Rav Limited 4WD with a Forester Touring last December, (2022).
I miss the 269hp 3.5 V6 in my Rav, but the traction, comfort, outward visibility, safety of our Subie’s are awesome.
After buying our Subaru’s and selling our Toyota’s our insurance premiums DROPPED by $300 per year per Subaru.
I asked my insurance agent why our premiums dropped and we were told it’s because of the safety, accident avoidance, traction control system and that Subaru’s are less likely to be stolen.
So far our Subaru’s have been flawless.
Both of our Subaru’s are 2019 year models.
My wife’s Outback had only 5,600 miles on it in 21 and my Forester had 4,700 miles.
My wife’s Outback now has only 28K miles and my Forester has 11K miles.
Our Subaru dealership has a poor service department in Wenatchee, WA so we take our Subie’s to H&D Auto in Wenatchee who only works on Subaru’s.
When the Outback hits 30K miles I’ll take it in for the 30K mile maintenance.
Subaru wants $600, but H&D wants only $350.
I have the oil and filter changed every 5K miles with Kirkland full synthetic oil.
Kirkland (from Costco), flows quicker in cold temperatures than Mobile One.
I’ll have our mechanic change the front and rear differential, transfer case, bleed the brakes, change the cabin filter and everything else that needs to be replaced.
Our mechanic recommends replacing the CVT fluid every 60K miles, so that will be done as well.
I just bought a used 2004 Subaru Outback. It's my first AWD vehicle. I've not driven it up any 35 degree grades yet, or on icy roads, but it does perform better in traffic than any other car I've owned. I've had to make some quick, sharp turns with it and it performs with no problems. I am so glad I went with a Subaru. This is going to be my road trip vehicle.
How did that turn out
we need an update
@@user-of9mo5wz8o most likely several blown head gaskets
@@kobihemmerle1140 You just have to replace the OEM headgasket
So, have you done many quick, sharp turns with your Subaru now? 😄Yeah, Subaru's 4WD is great, no doubt.
They travel back in time and record this in the 90s?
@No, Ma'am. r/woosh
i dont get it. this seems like a video from 2006. they didn't have good quality even that time.
Running in the 90's!
Do you realize this video is from 13 years ago you 10 yesr old
Are you stupid or something?
Every winter in wisconsin I continue to pull an average of 4 or 5 newer AWD cars out of the snow with my 04 wrx. Never fails to amaze me how well it performs in slippery conditions
to be honest they mightve just been bad driving. Even in a subaru if you suck at driving you'll get stuck.
@@jetoler7379 cope
I've done the dirt hill climb is Subaru's before. My father used to sell them and his dealership used to have a cool dirt and gravel track off on the side of the property. He told me to put the car in 3rd gear and man did that Forester zip up the steep hill without a problem. Down was just as fun.
I used to have a 95 Legacy and it was the best car I ever drove in the snow and other crappy conditions! It was like a mountain goat!
Living on the edge.
That’s great. But really though, these cars would probably be beating sherpas , rubicon’s, and hummer h1s with these drivers and there “fair” testing.
I had a few models and did alot of trails. Still can't believe how well they did. I mean going up steps driving up creeks and poweline hills. Daily drivers too.
@@porkchopexpress6969 Lol. Hummer. Put my outback 3.6L against Hummer in any conditions. Same drivers different cars. All sucked probably, but Subaru was most capable. ?
@@3mtech lay off the weed buddy.
I am a pretty die-hard Subaru fan... owned an Impreza and now a Forester, but this video is pathetic. It is quite obvious that the Volvo was chucked harder on the skid pad..... and the hill climb seemed fishy to me. I doubt they had their foot hard down. All this video does is make a good brand seem like they need to lie to seem better. No disrespect to the other brands. Volvo and Toyota are both fantastic in my mind as well.
Richard Bonnell the XC70 that walked up the hill is the exact same weight an chassis as well as AWD system as the XC90 that mysteriously kept stalling, please note i have driven up a slick ice hill towing a caravan in my XC90 far more extreme than anything tested here. I have also owned a 2006 forester and I would say it performed no better than the XC90 I currently own driving around a muddy farm yard
They probably did have the their for to the floor. Most awd systems reach a limit where no more power goes to the wheels if traction control is on. Subaru will do the same thing. They had traction control off when the subies went up the hill
@Freddy McIntire ever tried it?
@Freddy McIntire ok i didn't the engine was redlining lol isn't it electronic peddle anyway? I'll I'm saying is that you're not in control, the traction control is what's limiting
Whole this video is a mind messing rubish. And I'm saying that as Subaru owner and fan....
I've owned a 2006 XC70, took it on a frozen lake, had impeccable control and grip. I've just bought a 21 Crosstrek. Also great control and grip, though it mostly comes to tires at the end of the day, which is how they get results to favour one car over the other.
Oldschool commercial comparison...trying to drop shit on the competition. Pretty hard to place subaru above volvo
That's that most propaganda I've ever seen in 10min
you might be correct. But what if this is true?
Angel R. I actually think Subaru builds a great car, to the point that this sort of video shenanigans is just sad. I expect better from them, all you have to do is drive any of the Subaru's and you will see and feel that they are very solid cars. I will say the motors are weak in comparison to some, best suited to 400hp or less at the wheels if longevity is a consideration.
yeah don't kill my dream of a Subaru lol. I currently have one, and I'm trying to build it stronger. I've owned many cars, and this is different. I can't wait to see how it handles in snow.
speedweigand don’t watch much news huh?
Could be said about every car commercial ever, at least this is informative and factual. Patrick has a good point too.
The B9 Tribeca was absolutely a competitor for the XC90. The XC90 was the most cross shopped vehicle at the time. The B9 Tribeca was very comparable in stats and amenities.
Apparently not. This would probably best a hummer h1 the way these drivers were paid.
this comment is almost a decade old
Glad that the algorithm was kind enough to grace me with this video
Also, super interesting that during the 2nd test, the icy hill simulation, every single vehicle's passenger front wheel stays almost completely still. Not really sure why - it's clear some of them have sufficiently advanced TC / torque management to get past the classic open-differential-on-ice problem, so if those rollers were particularly sticky it should just pick up and go.
I'd like to see one done by a car magazine or something, not by a specific manufacturer trying to sell their shit. Every manufacturer will rig the tests to suit their cars best
+dpajc056 This video wasn't done for consumers. It was a recap for the sales consultants who experienced a competitive ride and drive.
+SubScribe So you're saying this is propaganda for those that sell Subaru vehicles? Makes sense.
+dpajc056 I stopped watching after seeing that they put on the the Subaru against a Volvo xc90, I have one. I shouldnt do corners like that Subaru, the Volvo weighs 2.5 tons. Thats probably at least a ton more than that Subaru. If it could corner as good then Subaru would need to go back to the drawing board.
+dpajc056
It is clearly rigged... you can see it. For the "Log and icy hill start", each of the competitors cars are driven onto the roller area, stopped and then they try to get it going, the Subaru Legacy does make it like this. Whereas for the Subaru Tribeca, if you look closely, the driver rolls back onto the non-roller bit, dumps the throttle and then makes it. (around 4:30) The cheat here is that the driver used momentum, to get the car over the simulated hill, a FWD with no LSD could make it as well...if momentum was used!
+dpajc056 traction has more to do with tires than awd or 4wd, and a driver can make a car seem out of control by over correcting, videos from a car manufacture down playing others is personal spin to get you to believe theirs is the better buy
This was a recap for all of the people that got to drive each vehicle for themselves. The only people meant to see this were the ones that actually were able to experience the differences.
Right…
How have you obtained this video?
@@iijj the conment above explains that
Just bought an '06 Outback this summer and shortly after hit some fairly deep, muddy dirt roads around Farmington, NM while looking for my campsite. That's when I fell in love with this thing... it handled great in the mud.
Subarus are meant for their incredible all wheel drive handling and stability specially in the snow
The Volvo XC70 shouldn't have handled like that on the wet test - it's ESP system should have controlled that behaviour.
Far be it from me to speculate that it may have been deactivated for the purposes of making the Subarus look better
+Samuel Brooks the driver didn't go full wheel lock during the spin outs... it was an influenced action by the stunt driver.
+Samuel Brooks Although the 2003 XC90 had ESP as standard, the 2006 XC70, sold in the US, did not. In fact, it's hard to find a 2006 XC70, sold in the US, that had it. However, ESP became standard on the XC70 in 2007. It would be highly likely that the 2006 XC70 shown in this video, did not have ESP.
+Samuel Brooks If you look closely the xc70 makes a movement to the right first then to the left the subaru not at all.
Not only that but in the hill test, the XC90 more than likely weighs the most but only has 200 some odd HP to make it up there. If it had the T6, I’m sure it would’ve been fine.
Yeah, at 5:00 the Subaru was going at 35 mph, but I bet you the Volvo was going at min. 50 mph. This is way too biased.
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Austrin Ivander Fanly No no, that Volvo was definitely going faster.
And it also seam as if the driver kind of provoked the spinning out of control
Don't forget, 50 mph is 'approximately' 35 mph...
@@destruxandexploze2552 How can you be so sure? are you being fooled by the camera zoom? the Subaru is already zoomed in while the Volvo wasn't, this gives the impression that the car is speeding away
Thanks for being on my feed 16 years later. Wish for a modern take on this.
This was the first time Subaru used the rollers as an exercise. In this instance they had low traction. In subsequent videos they are used as having zero traction or full traction.
Love Subarus but this is total bullshit
I'm surprised the Subaru made it up the hill without having to change it's head gasket. I know people who make a living changing Subaru head gaskets.
Some tests were professional drivers. Even when their were sales consultants in the car, there was a professional driver in the passenger seat giving instructions. Over 2,000 people drove the cars on the hill. They didn't know what to expect. They took turns in the competitive vehicle and then in a Subaru. No one wanted to look bad by not making it up the hill in either vehicle. Some vehicles made it and some didn't. It was an eye opening experience for the attendees.
I have a SVX for almost 20 years and was one of the first Subaru´s to have the electronic traction control. still a great car.
People think you can fake these tests.
This just goes to show you that people are willing to put brand loyalty and emotion before facts.
I'm a huge Subaru fan but this does kinda seem bias lol
50/50 lock is still useful in snow and off road conditions, not sure how hard it could be especially if they put paddle shifters on a CVT forester. Subaru AWD is good, but having a system like the nissan I think is much better, gives you the option e.g 2wd, auto (subaru awd mode) & lock(50/50)
A highly excellent, scientific, objective, and convincing video. Like it!
Notice in the roller test both Subaru vehicles were fitted with the active center diff. If the standard system on the Forrester in the first test were used the result would have been very different. I own both a Subaru outback and a Lancer Ralliart and can say with 100% certainty that the bone stock symmetrical AWD system in the Subaru is far inferior to the more advanced active + limited slip diff system in the Mitsubishi on slick surfaces. Not to mention the tenancy of the Subaru system to under-steer under power instead of over-steering on semi slick surfaces, I know under-steer is considered "safer" but I find it to be much less predictable in snowy conditions.
Subaru used to sell over 1,500 - 2,500 Tribecas a month back in 2005-2007. When Outback went through the roof, Subaru pulled back on Tribeca production and pulled all factory incentives.
the uphill part is frustrating because they will not let the wheels spin on the honda and others because if they did the awd systems would kick on like they are supposed to it depends on wheel spin
No it won't
I do like subaru and Volvo but I must say. This a video made BY SUBARU so this is like the government saying that you make a 100 grand a year.
biased as hell...if you want us to believe you put the sound to hear the engines on the hill climb...that will tell us if they are struggling or just not given enough gas
Bro the B9 Tribeca's roller hill climb test was rigged af. There was so much momentum gained before the rollers that a lincoln continental could've sailed over the rollers like that.
I believe the subaru's are great but I'd like to see a control with the same brand new tires. we don't know the condition of the tires in the test.
NEPA Outdoors tire is not important in this test. How to distribute torque is the key
Xitong Zheng tires are the most important thing. a awd car with all seasons tired won't perform as well as a front wheel drive car with winter tires. if all these cars had the same sand and mud tired they'd perform better.
One of the many reasons finding a used Subaru is so hard. And when you do they hold their value.
You said this nine years ago and that’s still the case. Damn.
Yes sir, Subarus are up there in the market but it's worth it they'll bring you home nice and safe unlike other cars lol
I originally bought my wife an 05 crv because Hondas were always good reliable cars but quickly found out that the crv is the biggest pile of garbage ever and got rid of it and now she's driving an 08 forester. Personally I have a 99 legacy gt and an 08 impreza hatchback.
Yep and they drive like a bloated school bus.
But wouldn't you agree, having a lock mode and 2wd mode also give more incentive to buy the car? Like if I was a buyer (currently looking for a midsize suv) I would like that option if it was available.
Great to see an unbiased review of Subaru and it's competitors of 2006!
Unbiased 😂
6:59 You have to turn the stability control off for the AWD to work. Stupid, but true.
I found the 35°+incline was doable up but extremely difficult with the hill holder feature kicking in on the descent.
@8:55 you say "These are Subaru Sales People at the Wheel. Not Professional Drivers"! Shouldn't it be the other way about for an unbiased and proper test?
Who else got this recommend this 16 years later
Me
again the drivers are not giving the competition any gas. why don't you let us hear the sound.
is it just me or do these seem rigged?
yeah no way volvo didnt make it up that icy hill
C M notice the Dubai’s are limited or high end models while the others are base models.
rigged
Its obviously a subaru advert of some sort
This Chanel is pro Subaru, I call instant bollocks, the advert was talking about Subaru having off road control turned on but no mention of winter mode being turned on on the Volvo, I have driven my v8 xc90 up a slick ice hill far more extreme then anything here and it did it whilst towing a caravan. May I also note the XC90 is same car as the XC70 that drives straight up the hill. Rigged? I think so
Just because it wasn't meant for public consumption doesn't mean it's not a propaganda video
I think this was kim jong un his first propoganda project on school
polarweis Ah! I laughed :D
Also, the Forester in that test was the only vehicle to make it over the rollers with 3 wheels on rollers at 42:48 of that video.
@8:55 "These are Subary sales people at the wheel"
Alright, stop watching now, you're being fooled, at least a bit!
at 6:08 you can tell the volvo driver grab the ebrake to slide rear out of control! soo fake as shit! I have a v70 FWD and handles great in rain has tracs control and i've took turns a 40mph real hard and it didn't look like this act! lol..
not to be a racist but... where is quattro for comparison?
lol damn right
krazy8 omg thats just what i thought. he would have smashed all the others XD
also where is the mitsubishi outlander?
Quattro isn't as good as Subaru's system. It's more like just an extension of traction control these days.
Well the difference is that when Subaru´s AWD system realises slip, it put´s more power to the other wheels while Quattro decreases power on the wheel with slip. So you can´t say that Subaru is better than Audi because at one test Quattro is better than Subaru and on another test it´s the other way round. But still, I think I would prefer Quattro XD
I’m calling bullshit on this one. I’ve owned a Volvo and I’ve owned a Subaru Forester. The Subaru drove like a car from the 80’s. The Volvo handled much, much better. The steering in the Subaru was far too light and the whole car would roll on bends and upset the steering. The clutch also was a joke. Soo snappy. And plastic, basic trim, no blue tooth on a 2009 model really?! And the Subaru had such a tinny body, I would hate to hit a Volvo in one...
Hmmm I wonder if This was biased???? Umm yes it was big times
of course it is biased. It was meant to recap what the consultants found out for themselves. The results are real.
Absolutely biased. I bought a forester, and it has the roughest ride of ant car out there, and I got car sick driving it
pls read the video description again.
Daniel Costello
Funny because the Forester is well known for having the most complaint ride of small crossovers for 3 generations. It's be documented for over a decade by third party reviews.
invinciblejets you must really really stupid. you don't even understand the real technology and science behind subaru vehicles
A very good comparison video indeed. We need more like these.
You know a video is old when you see the DivX
love the guys on the hill getting half way up and then just letting off on the gas. "oh looks like it can't get up" haha. Yeah it won't get up unless you give it some gas. I mean that CVT had no chance in hell, but the volvo? haha that dude is the worst driver i'v ever seen. 8:34 worse than my girlfriend xD
spot on 9:04 there is a moment the XC90 would of got up the hill, "can't have that happen" and he let the gas off.
0:53 it was funny seeing the exact car that i drive going around the slalom perfectly. i can attest to this, the tribeca is pretty quick and handles AMAZING.
I love how this video shows so many different subaru's and not just one just to show they can all do it
I feel this video is pretty accurate but they fail to mention in the video. Not all Subaru AWD systems are the same. The Foresters, Crosstreks and regular Impreza use a 90:10 split then go 50:50 when slippage is detected.Although It's an active system. The 3.0R and the 3.6R use a different center diff. It's 45:55 split until it detects slip which it'll go 50:50. It's a proactive system. I believe the WRX and the STI use a similar center diff. Not sure which ones but the STI's also have a LSD rear diff as well as well as the DCCD control knob.
You don't want to be anywhere hard on the gas when you're turning and slipping at the same time, else your car is going in the direction that the front end is pointed. Good in straight line. Takes some learning when it comes to corners. A Subaru doesn't have fancy torque vectoring between side to side.
Snakeplisskin440 actually the WRX has had torque vectoring since 2015 model year.
I agree I had an Australian delivered 2007 Outback Auto with 'AWD'. This is an on demand rear drive being about 90:10 split until front slip is detected then it electrically locks the centre diff and it's 50:50. Unfortunately once the centre is locked if both front wheels are on similar surface, say loose sand, the car no longer detects wheel slip, so it releases the centre diff, resulting in slip, which causes the centre diff to relock. Progress is more like a series of rabbit hops when going up a steep hill rather than steady progress. Subarus response, 'system is operating to designed settings'.
Performance Subaru models, particularly the STi, which I own, are terrifying if you don't know how to corner them. Mine came with aftermarket race suspension, which makes it even more scary. It's all about tge weight transfer. You should never brake, or lift off the throttle in a corner. Snap oversteer is a bitch.
I come on hard with the brakes before the corner, and gradually let them off as I come into the corner, before smoothly transitioning to the gas, and then go full bore after the apex of the turn. No sudden shifts in weight distribution, and when done right, the car doesn't fight you at all.
Patrick Allison don't fight the car it is much stronger 😂
Anyone notice NO AUDI QUATTRO in the competition?
and no mitsubishi,mitsubishi awd cars are as good if not better than subarus,mitsubishi 4x4 and awd 4wd cars are amazing,one of the reason why subaru sti cant compete with evos when it comes to corners andboff road,my mitsubishis montero limited 4x4 or my 2005 kia sorento 4x4 would climb that little hill under heavy rain real easy.
Audi is made by VW...
How many head gaskets did the Subaru’s blow in that video?
Mine have been perfect since 2004
The 12 year old Volvo XC90, amazingly, just got a 'good' score on the IIHS's new "Small Overlap Crash Test". Volvo now has 4 'good' scores for 4 models tested--100% with 'good' scores. The only car company to accomplish this. Subaru has done well also, with 8 models tested - 3 'acceptable' scores, and 5 'good' score. Not bad, but not as good as Volvo.
Subaru are safer than Volvo in 2022)))
@@瘰 False. Volvo can do crash testing in their Safety Center that the IIHS, NHTSA, and NCAP can't do. That is, crash cars at all angles with BOTH cars moving. Subaru can't do that either.
@@777Outrigger What? Subaru are ways cheaper, safer, faster, more handling and have 5 stars fom all tets, but VOLVO some test have 2 or 4 stars dude
What about audi Quattro and BMW Xdrive or Mercedes 4matic
those were far more expensive vehicles at the time and not subaru's competition.
bannablitz247 if their awd system is so above it all they should test it with everything that actually has a chance of beating it
Sergio Rodriguez well if you had read the annotation you would understand this video was not intended for public viewing
supermotardmario butt hurt Subaru owner 😂😂😂😂
supermotardmario
I like how they used a XC70 WITHOUT traction and or stability control. I have one and with those on, you can do whatever on icy, wet and muddy roads without loosing any bit of control. And that XC90 could climb that and even more
Subaru should include a towing strap or cable as standard factory accessory to help out all the other AWD drivers! LOL
Anthony Maw lmao 😂😂
It's not my problem they got stuck. They bring their own strap.
Should include an extra set of head gaskets
😂😂😂
Should also include a handbag for all the fairys that buy a subaru.
there's no way that a volvo xc90 can't pull itself up this hill unless there are engine or transmission trouble. I own one and I know this video is fake as hell
Volvo is known for crash safety, not handling. Let me remind you that your volvo most likely uses a Yamaha boat engine setup in the worst way in the engine bay. Ever wounder why there are 10 subaru's on the road for every one volvo? I own a 2011 outback sport and I've witnessed fist hand how well the Subaru AWD system handles on ice and snow. You don't have to accept it but you better reference some concrete proof and im not talking about your midnight trip to taco bell in 2" snow, even my wife's civic handles that.
MaddoxInc keep thinking that
MaddoxInc Yamaha was only the v8 engine Xc90 dickhead.
I had a 2006 Forester for 12 years and no problems with it. It performed better in the snow than my previous Toyota and Ford pickups. I live in the NE and had zero rust on the car. I bought a 2019 Forester 3 years ago. Love it too.
Subarus are great 4wd machines for the price with very good power, handling and reliability, my only concern is about the dated style of all the line. I can remember some futuristic ones as the tribeca, but they are gone. I hope next gen subarus will be better on this point.
Lol
i love my "suebs" they are the only ones with real full time awd, but who ever made this must have had a big set against Volvo's haha
Why dont you compare with bmw, merc, audi, Mitsubishi, land rover if you want to compare the performance.. or you just want to compare the same segment car.. ?
LOL 4 wheel rollers will get you absolutely nowhere in any car, You can see the Front Right wheel doesn't move as much this is effectively a 3 wheel roller with a front bias (The easiest kind to test AWD Performance).
In the Tribeca "With only a little bit of effort" REALLY NIGGA? He power climbed (Gained Momentum) if that is "only a little bit of effort" then all cars are Subarus....
Hahaha! I was thinking the same thing! VW/Audi make a great AWD!
thanks YT for giving me this random 16 year old video :)
I knew I could rely on comment section not leaving me alone
Great video. I've been interested in Subaru's for a short while now. I'm definitely looking to have one in the future.
You cannot ever go wrong with a Subaru of any kind and it really doesn’t matter what year it is, it’ll never fail you! I highly recommend one
Shameful video. Could have been done in a honest way too... xc90 reaches twice the point of passing over but then magically there is no more throttle applied.... the xc70 has no ESP in this comparison? Then VDC (Subs ESP) makes it uneven.
I am a Sub Outback owner. Super happy, yet I prefer honesty to bs..
Lol this is bs. I drive a subaru impreza wrx, but this test is clearly biased. Volvos are great cars and honestly better quality than subarus. forester doesent even have diff locks.
Only difference between the Subaru and the other test vehicles, is that the other vehicles are still using their original head gaskets... 🤔
exactly
Man it's just makes me want to go out and buy Murano for hill climbing LOL
4:53 "Whoa. Was the driver in control or was the car?"
LOL
I get recommended an ancient video of an old Subaru, filmed on something probably now obsolete. Excellent.
Kind of wish I hadn't sold my AWD Kizashi......thing took corners like a champ, seriously impressive for the size of car it was.
Are you still alive?
i love subaru but this was crap
I am still looking for that log they were talking about during that roller test, that is a stick of firewood where I come from, it certainly does not qualify as no log
Did he say "UNSUAL" CVT?! Whose using CVT now?! subaru all there crap cars are using it! wow this is pathetic
Subaru was the first to have a CVT in the US with the Justy. Nissan's CVT's are poorly executed which is why Subaru decided to go in house with theirs and make a much better unit that is designed for an AWD application from inception.
I'll rephrase. Subaru had the first modern automotive CVT in the US that bears any resemblance to CVTs used today.
Dave Miller
9:45 "these are Subaru Sales people and not professional drivers" Most biased video I've seen besides anything CNN.
I think that 2006 Volvo is drifto certified
8:55 after 9 minutes you tell me they are all driven by Subaru people? Of course orher cars wont perform good......
I drive a subaru wrx woud'nt change it for anything else. Except the STI version ^^
I bet that CRV is still driving around and that Subaru is long dead.
'These are Subaru sales people at the wheel' - 'test' ended right there... from a Subaru fan...
8:55 says it all LOL!
Theses are.. ............. ...... AT THE WHEEL
David Yel lololol
Me: Man, why would someone upload a video today of 2006 car models doing these test.
**Upon checking upload date, it shows 2006**
Me: YO WTF
7:50 2006 "The Nissan Murano has an unusual continuously variable transmission..."
2015 "Our entire line of Subarus have a wonderful continuously variable transmission..."
Toyota still looking for technology in their dictionnary.
First got my 08 forester right before a snow storm in the south east where no one can handle snow, plowed right through and hills ice banks or snow. Love it
Subaru is absolutely a TOP engineering company
unfortunately it seems people with limited intelligence can't really comprehend these things.
Hikermike56 I do understand the Subaru being a really good car. But why then the Subaru sales-men have to fake this video?
Hikermike56 awd rules