How Does the DV9 Ride Now That It's 2* Slacker? Hardtail Party
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- In our last episode, we made the DV9 2* slacker. In this episode, we take it out for a spin to see how it rides with these new changes. Will it ruin an already great bike, or will it make it even greater? Did you learn something valuable? If so, show your appreciation and support this chahnel by becoming a Patron today: / hardtailparty
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Slacker isn't "better" all the time, or for every rider. For those with a more traditional riding style where you steer with the bars, you may prefer the steeper head angle. For those who have a style that suits today's modern bikes, where you have to get over the front and steer with your feet, you may love a slacker head angle. I know I do.
Agreed. I tried a 160mm Yari and ended up with 66° hta and steering when in flat sections was a mess. The bike tends to go sideways all the time. Had to shorten to 130 and swap wheel size to compensate a bit, it was a great change for the better
Fun video to watch while stuck at home. Thanks for posting.
I did the same to my Transition transam 29 and holy, it was worth it! Went also from 67.5 to 65.5 (static) with the works -2 angleset. It‘s so much better in every way, even uphill its more stable and the slightly steeper seatube helps also. Only downside is the shorter reach but other then that i can recommend this to everyone!
I’m just about to slacken my Scott Scale 740 by 2* and your post has convinced me, thanks for sharing and enlightening
Nice video I did the same experiment on my kona unit 2 degree slackset but then I went from 470mm a-c on the rigid fork to 543mm on the yari I have now.
The bike is awesome now but very different.
Apart from getting all squishy and floaty in the front I have a real slack seat angle, great for singlespeeding and I think the shorter reach makes it more playful. Bottom bracket is probably higher now also and I think that also changes the feel of the bike and puts you more "on top" instead of inside.
Thanks for all the entertainment and also all the super valuable information that helps people understand what they need in a bike!
Edit: Increased the stack 13mm further with the external headset cup. The bike rips on the downs now but still has some zing and nimbleness. Maybe a lighter fork would be better in the long run but I kind of love the monstertruck feel I get from the Yari 120mm.
I love your enthusiasm in your videos.
Those are some beautiful trails out there. Glad the bike turned out better with that headset. I wish I could put one in my Stache.
I know, a slack stache would be AMAZING! I could easily make one of those my main bikes.
Nailed it! Again lol love how you go into layman details 🤙 I'd love to slack out my karate monkey a bit more too haha
Nice review thank you, this may be an upgrade in my near future!
Great review, going to seriously consider this change in the future.
So it's a better all-rounder bike now than before, I use my DV9 for commuting and hitting different types of trails during the weekend so I pretty much need a do it all hardtail.
It's better for my style, but it won't be better for everyone. You really need a solid cornering technique where you steer with your feet instead of the bars to appreciate the slacker head angle.
Can't wait until you review the Ragley mmmbop on a trail like this - 63.75 degree head angle and 74 degree seat angle!
Awesome stuff, thanks man. This puts a lot more hardtails on my radar this season.
Right on. Just remember that integrated headsets (Santa Cruz, trek, etc.) are not compatible with angle reducing headsets.
@@hardtailparty I've been going back and forth on a Salsa Timberjack for a while, and this really helps with my biggest qualm about that bike.
@@ierickson81 yup, it's one reason I recommend it over the Santa Cruz chameleon. I have s 2020 timberjack in for review right now. I just built it up this week and today will be my first ride on it. I think a timberjack with a 65* hts would be such a killer bike for the price.
@@hardtailparty can't wait to hear your thoughts. I'm considering the 29" SLX build and maybe throwing a better fork on it. Which model did you get in?
@@ierickson81 I have the xt build. I've got some video on my Instagram account for patrons. I'll release some videos on this channel (hopefully) soon.
Love the video. I may consider doing this with my Dv9
I slackened my HA by 3/4 of a degree and noticed a pretty big difference. 2 degrees must be massive!
It's like a completely different bike.
Any chance you'll be reviewing the updated model since they basically built it to your spec for 2023? Definitely interested over here!
I hope to one day!
Sweet review 🤘looks like a whole lot of fun😍
Cool trail Steve, stay safe at the moment 👍
Very cool. I am still researching hardtails, and this one has not been on my radar due to the head angle. I think Ill toss this one on my list after all. Thanks for the review.
I was in the same boat, but when I realized it could be slackened, it went back on my radar. A few other bikes might end up back on your radar too now, as 80% of bikes these days can run an anglesaet.
If you're looking for a light, zippy hardtail, put this at the top of your list. If you're looking for an aggressive trail smasher for ripping tough traild at fast speeds, I'd hold our for something a little beefier like a meta, banshee paradox 3, rsd middle child, orbea laufey, or something like the new fuze.
@@hardtailparty Toss on the nukeproof scout and you just hit the top bikes that currently have my attention. I will look in to the new Fuze.
@@jeff7086 yeah, I'd love to try a scout, but Nukeproof won't get back to me.
@@hardtailpartyI have a 2019 Scout 290. Freakin rips. I've never ridden anything but AL so I'd love to try a chromo.
@@JenkinsB A good chromo frame is a thing of beauty. A bad chromo frame is a turd. More on that here: ruclips.net/video/nBPe6F25FNk/видео.html
this is awesome. im planning on buying one and doing this
Good video. Thank you for sharing.
I like the idea you can just change the headset out.... depending what type of Trail you're on.
I need to ride trail bike more, just checked and my HT is 68.5 whilst my trail bike has 65.6 and I don't feel the difference but I have nearly 2k miles on the hardtail and less than 100 on the trail.
This is definitely interesting... I bought a frame "HT-01" from chain reaction cycles and built it up. It came with a 67° head angle. I'm curious how well those bearings hold up...
They should hold up exactly the same as bearings on a 65.5* hta frame. Works components had a stellar reputation, and many of their products are found on world cup downhill bikes. I'll post up if I have any issues with the bearings. The great news is that the cups are compatible with other bearings too.
I havnt ridden a DV9, but def eyeballed it in the countless hours of new HT research. In my riding of CFHT's in the past I gotta say im not a fan of plastic HT's... AT ALL... IF I was XC'in a large % of my riding time, Im sure I would whistle a diff tune...
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but can you share exactly which angleset you used? I also have a DV9 that I’d like to do this to. Love your channel, btw.
Not video related but.... when are you going to hop on the new Spec Fuse 29? It needs a HTP review 😎 especially in SS mode
Great review mate and I also saw the other video where you installed the angleset. Just wondering if there is a limit of how slack you can adjust your head angle which won't affect the bike's integrity or warranty? I've got a Scott Genius from 2016 which is not particularly slack but afraid it might ruin the bike if I go extreme minus 2 degrees
Sounds like a great bike! I would love to hear your thoughts on how this bike rides with beefier tires on rowdier trails!
It's not my first choice on rowdy trails. It is a little too light.
hardtail party Thanks!
Steve, great video! I really appreciate your take on how the degrees changed the bike. Some of the cornering improvement could be from lowering the bottom bracket. Do you know how much lower it is? Did you have any pedal strikes? Did you have to time your pedaling in chunk?
The bb isn't any lower. Remember how the lower cup is thicker than the one I replaced? It made up for the 7mm drop of slackening out the head angle. Even if I hadn't used the thick lower cup, my bb would have only dropped 3mm, which would not be noticeable, and my seat angle would have steepened by 0.35*. Not a significant amount.
The steering difference is due to the head angle. Head angle affects steering more than anything else.
Typically I prefer a lower bb. This bb doesn't feel super low to me. I had zero pedal strikes. I'm good at timing my pedals anyway, but one other bike I'm testing right now had a noticeably lower bb and I do strike my pedals from time to time.
A couple times you refer in this one and the previous DV9 review that the chainstays are short. But at 439. That doesn’t really seem short in comparison to the selection of 415 and 420 bikes out there. Is there something about the DV9 that makes it feel short than the geo suggests?
How come you haven’t reviewed the Chromag Rootdown? The geo is right up your alley.
They're not very accessible where I live and chromag won't send me one. I've ridden two now, and I love the geo. It's almost identical to my rsd. The only thing I didn't love was how stiff it was (just like my steel RSD). Very nice bike though.
Do want.
I have a 67 degree 120mm fork bike. This could be a great option for me. Would it drastically change the steering feel if i also change to 130mm fork? How about 140mm fork? Cheers!
Good day Boss. On a stock headset do you think a 130mm fork will work? This is a 29er bike right? Seen a available frameset in my size. Thank you.
Hi, if you sleacker head angle with angle headset, does it mean you will steeper seat angle? How can I check if this headset is compatible with my scott genius 930 from 2015? thank and really good video.
Love the details about how it rides with a slacker angle. Also, which trail is that?
Thanks, in glad you liked it. Trail info is always in my video descriptions.
When finances allow, I've always been curious about chromag bikes, it would be cool to hear your thoughts.
Chromag makes beautiful bikes. They're almost identical to my RSD middle child in geo, but quite a bit more expensive. I also feel like they're pretty stiff, not super compliant (which makes sense, they're meant to get rowdy).
I also came across another one, and because I like to see reviews on things that nobody talks much about. The Cotic BFe
Daniel Tribby Cotic are down the road from me in Sheffield in the uk. They make some great hardtails I know somebody who owns one and they love it.
About to pull the trigger on one of these and specing it with a 120 fork. With that said it says the reach is only 405. But a pretty slack seat angle. Do you think a medium will be fine ?
Awesome review!! Can you tell the wheelbase has increased? I have a question about the reach, couldnt you slide the saddle a little farther back on the rails to gain some reach? Wouldnt this slacken the seat angle a bit?
The wheelbase grew less than an inch. I might be fooling myself, but i did feel like the front wheel was a little bit more in front of me. just a little though.
Moving the seat back would affect the effective top tube length, not the reach. Reach is the distance from the bb to head tube. That doesn't change with seat adjustments. Reach is only felt when standing.
Moving the seat back would slacken the effective seat angle, which is a negative.
Hi, could you tell me what is the best hardtails for long distance and some technical climbing (not extreme)? Xc or trail bike? 100 or 120 fork? My weight is about 60 kg. Is It better a classic xc ht or a trail? Alu or carbon? And if you can what model? I don't understand the english voice.... you are very good rider. Thanks M
do you speak spanish? I ask because that's the only other language I speak.
What do you consider "long distance?" Are we talking 10km, or 100 km?
@@hardtailparty i Am from Italia. I undestand english (but write not talk) and undestand spanish too. Long distance for me is 100 km on road/offroad or 60 km off road. Thanks
This video should help you. I recommend turning on subtitles to understand what I'm saying: ruclips.net/video/nBPe6F25FNk/видео.html
@@hardtailparty ok for material! Perfect! And for the other questions (lenght fork and geometry, head angle). Thanks
Willis or big new world?
my current xc hardtail has a head angle of 69 degrees what diffrence would make 0.5 or 1 degrees more slacker.
Helpful video. how much travel is the fork has?
120
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Interesting do you think this can work for a specialized enduro 29 from 2015? I have 67.5 whit a 160mm fork really need to slack the front
Can anyone tell me what trail this is? I live in Tucson and this looks super fun.
I have a Pivot LES SS and with a 130mm fork i think an angleset would put the HTA at 66deg. That may make a crazy fun trail SS. would you rec that or go with a Santa Chameleon frame? My bike weighs 22.3lb with heavy tires, just think slacker may make it more fun on trails
I'd definitely prefer a slacker LES myself. Between that and the chameleon, that'll be tough. I'd probably go with the LES with a 66* HTA, as the chameleon sits at 67.5*, and it feels too steep for me. The chameleon would be one of my top recommendations if it didn't have that stupid integrated headset, impeding the ability to run an angleset.
@@hardtailparty thanks a ton for all your work for us Hardtail stubborn guys. I have owned full spsh and i missed my hardtail in everyway. The LES is a rocket so that's good to hear that you really rec the improved ride of the anglesets
Great vid. Just put a fox rhythm 130 on my DV9 but yet to try it out. Hope this doesnt stress out headtube, what do u think?
If you're sticking to mellow trails I don't think it'll be a big issue. But you might be voiding the warranty.
Ever thought about putting a 140mm fork on the dv9?
Not really., I think the 120 is about perfect for this bike. A 140 would make the seat tube even slacker and the bb higher. If you need 140mm, there are better bikes. It's hard to push this bike hard enough to need 140mm.
I’m guessing by changing the headset because of the degree change would void the warranty on the frame . Or has enough time elapsed that the warranty has expired ?
Also by changing the headset angle would that put extra stress on that part of the frame which could cause it to possibly fail eventually? Just wondering.
Always enjoy your videos 😊
Yes, it puts more stress on the head tube. And it often voids the warranties of frames. Fortunately my wife only weighs 110 lbs and there's no way she's going to break one of these frames, so I wasn't worried about voiding the warranty.
hardtail party thanks Steve 😊
could you review a Nukeproof Scout
what trail was this? looks like its worth the drive from Phx
Hello my friend i haven't cube reaction tm I make this forever my bike?
So I'm about to join the party. I ordered a San Quentin frame (first hardtail). It has a 65 degree headtube angle. Would it be too extreme to go for 64? I also plan on up-forking it to 140mm.
64 isn't too extreme, bit it's going to make an already short reach even shorter. I recommend finding the tallest riser bars you can for that bike, the stack is insanely low.
Upforking will raise the bb, slacken the head angle, and slacken the seat angle. A lot of people run longer forks on their San Quentins.
So I have a question that doesnt pertain to the video. But I want to know why you wear a hoodie on (what seems like) most of your ride. How do you not die of heat. No judgement, I honestly would if I could, just want to know.
Thanks for the review! Just ordered this bike and was thinking of making it more slacker when I get it and raise the travel to 130 with a different air shaft. Used to riding the YT Jeffsy (which I’m keeping for more mountains terrain and crazier stuff). Pumped to ride it in the flatter Midwest region of MN. On the website, which one did you purchase?
see the comments section and the video description of the previous video where I installed the angle reducing headset.
hardtail party thanks, dude.
Is the dv9 still relevant in 2022? Or do you suggest an alternative?
There are other bikes I like more. The dv9 is a bit stiff.
Thanks mate! I’m right there with you on the seat tube angle being a bit slack too. I’ll peruse your videos for input and alternatives. You have any guidance or suggested vids?
When is the review going to be on the banshee?
I don't have a release date for the video, but it's coming. The best way to catch it is to subscribe to the channel and hit that bell notification so you're notified when it gets released. I have 3 bikes in for review at the moment, and I have two more coming. Lots of reviews on the way.
How does the slacked out dv9 compare to your old steel middle child with trail chatter and suppleness on the trail?
If you watch my initial review of the dv9, you'll see where I talk about how stiff it is.
The Ibis absorbs chatter better than a steel mc, but not better than a ti mc. The steel mc is really quite stiff for a steel bike. I wouldn't describe it as "supple." The ti frame, on the other hand, is super comfortable.
Seat angle same? Doesn't slackening head angle also slacken the seat tube?
nope, not always, and not in this instance. Check out my previous video where I show the process of making it slacker (and check the comments on that video, there's some good info in there).
Thinking about doing this to my trek roscoe 7. The frame geo is crap but I can’t afford to get a new bike right now. I love to ride hard and I really abuse my bike. I’m 160lb 6’ 1”. Would it be a bad idea for me to slacken my bike out by 2 degrees? Is there a good chance I’ll break the frame?
Probably not going to break a aluminum frame like that. They are XC/trail bikes, but heavy/overbuilt frame wise.
My steel 27.5+ has a very similar geo to the DV9(at least what bikeinsights.com is showing me) at 69deg rounded up, but with a rigid 51mm(vs 48 for the DV9 on bike insight) fork offset. You know have me thinking about trying this for my bike, but not sure how the fork offset will affect thigs. Thinking maybe going 1degree offer some of the improvements you mentioned?
I have a 44mm offset on my DV9. I don't feel a HUGE difference between the 44mm offset and a 51mm offset. What problem are you trying to "fix" on your bike?
@@hardtailparty I am not sure what I am trying to fix other than your review had me mostly sold on this. You make it sound fun. I take the 51mm offset kind of makes up for slacker ha or no?
Seems to be like nearly the perfect bike, simply switch the head angle kit to fine tune the ride to your own riding style.
Agreed. For charging hard I prefer a little heavier bike, but it's such a great bike.
Dusty Betty rides this HT... Yeah right 😝 We need the owners two cents 😁
Go watch her channel, she has several videos featuring this bike. :) Her latest review of her 2020 Orbea Laufey talks about how it compares to the DV9 slacker. She doesn't love doing reviews, but she still does them from time to time.
I noticed you had the paradox a while but still haven’t reviewed it. Is it still getting a review?
Yes, thanks for your patience. These videos take a lot of time to film and edit and I like to ride bikes for a while before reviewing them. It's still coming, but I have about 15 videos to get out first.
I still need to try the paradox with plus tires before I record my review. I'm almost ready to film it. It's going to be a review worth waiting for, that bike has some really unique aspects.
hardtail party thank you so much for all your videos. Sorry if that came off as rude. Can’t wait for it.
@@mount_magpie8303 It's all good, I'm excited for that video too!
I ride a 2018 karate monkey too. Any anglesets fit a straight non tapered head tube?
I dunno. Look up the headset specs and check then with works components' website.
I have a 1.5 degree on my red MK2 Krampus, it adds a bit stack compared to other headsets.
@@jshomper8291 probably a good thing too, as stack lowers ever so slightly when you go slacker. In my case, stack would have gone down 7mm.
HTP, as you noted in the video, the cups are taller, so you need to consider that if you don't have extra steerer length to play with when upgrading to the Works.
Hi steve is it possible to run this headset if my bike has a semi integrated headset
I'm not 100% sure, but i believe so. Check with works and let me know what they say.
@@hardtailparty I will contact works Steve and see what they say if it is compatible with my frame
Hi steve works do make a headset for my bike just had an email from them with the correct headset for my bike
what did your wife make of it? was she able to tell the difference? my guess is a big no. i've slacken mine to about 5 degrees and nothing happened to the perception of riding. too much hype about the hta. I think that manufacturers have to think of something to make people buy new staff.
She definitely noticed it right away and didn't want to go back.