Nikon 180-600 Z vs Sigma 150-600 C [And Sharpness Testing]

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  • Опубликовано: 20 ноя 2024

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  • @psoon04286
    @psoon04286 Год назад +5

    I can’t believe that this econo Z lens from NIKON performs so admirably and it’s internal zoom as well. It’s high on my list😄👍

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      I would probably put an order in as soon as you can. Who knows how long it's going to take.
      I'll probably have a video soon-ish about using this lens for "macro" work period specifically insects on flowers and bugs.
      The quotations are because it's not a real macro lens of course but it's certainly produces nice quality images and video.

  • @romanhar4151
    @romanhar4151 Год назад +4

    Thank you for the very detailed and insightful video. Especially for the AF comparison.
    I am also a happy owner of the 180-600: I especially appreciate the internal focus/zoom and the acceptable weight for handheld photography.
    On a football field I have already had very positive experiences: I started (Z9) with f1:8, 1/1000, 800 ASA and ended with 1:6.3, 1/500, 40000 ASA (pitch lighting).

  • @gregclaxton338
    @gregclaxton338 Год назад +1

    Just ordered it over the weekend. Should be here later this week

  • @stephenluxton1235
    @stephenluxton1235 Год назад +4

    Interesting, the sharpness comparison seemed much closer than I expected given the Sigma reputation for soft images at 600mm on SLRs (my real-world experience confirms that). I've got a Sigma at the moment, a Z8 arriving next week, and one 180-600 on the way for wife's camera. I think I'll hold off committing to the second one for a while until I see what the Sigma/Z8 combination is like in the field. Thanks for the comparison.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +1

      The area it differs is the corners. Center to center is close, but the Nikon is a smidge better.
      Sharpness outside of the center is nice for recomposition and cropping. No one really shoots their subjects dead center of the frame.

    • @Eikenhorst
      @Eikenhorst Год назад +4

      I agree, I obviously expected the new Nikon to be sharper, especially in the corners. But they held up pretty well on the Sigma. This is a very much a very zoomed in image to make the differences more clear, but in real terms I would not say corner sharpness is that different. To be fair, most sharpness issues with such a strong telezoom are typically less due to lens design and are more due to movement of the subject and or the lens. Especially for wildlife, test chart sharpness is just a theoretical concept. It is good to see no chromatic aberration on either lens. The question for me is not, is the new Nikon better in every way. The question is, is it worth double the price

    • @inspiredartphotos
      @inspiredartphotos Год назад +1

      I bought the Sigma knowing that it performed really well out to 500mm. In fact better the Sport version. When I bought the Sigma, the Nikon 200-500 had just come out and was having focus issues. No regrets with the Sigma.

    • @andrzejniezgoda7060
      @andrzejniezgoda7060 9 месяцев назад

      Co według Ciebie będzie lepsze. Nikon 180-600 i Z6 II czy sigma 150-600 C i Z8?
      Stoję przed wyborem i nie mogę się zdecydować 🤔

    • @bobdalton2062
      @bobdalton2062 4 месяца назад

      @@inspiredartphotos I regularly use my Sigma with TC and am very happy with optical performance. I am pleased that very nearly matches the Nikon - but for less $

  • @bigbluespike5645
    @bigbluespike5645 Год назад +2

    Very much needed comparison. Thx!

  • @cgescape
    @cgescape Год назад +1

    good review, thanks.. i saw the tripod you have... what setup is it.. i recently got the 150-600 sigma and i need something sturdy n stable for it... thankss.. i also thought of doing a DIY with my telescope motorized mount.. which will be crazy and could be controlled by a hand held controller

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +1

      Thanks!
      The Fluid head is a Manfrotto 504X
      And all the rigging is from SmallRig.
      On my channel there's a review for the 504X and how to setup a telephoto lens support.
      Edit:
      I'll probably do a new rigging video for the 180-600, but the parts and setup is 98% the same. Just depends what camera body your using and if it had a battery grip.

  • @stevetqp9152
    @stevetqp9152 Год назад +1

    THank you for your excellent review/comparison of the new NIkkor Z 180-600 and the older Sigma. I too, was surprised at how "good" the Sigma was (not having had or used either of these lenses), though I look forward to getting the NIkkor for use with my Z8. One question please...Do you agree that the Wimberley P-30 lens foot plate be a good choice for the NIkkor 180-600? (I got it in advance of the lens, based on a recommendation from another photographer.) Thanks again!

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +1

      Thank you,
      The stock lens foot on the Nikon is big enough for carrying.
      I don't use the lens foot on a tripod anymore though. I use a rail support system.

    • @stevetqp9152
      @stevetqp9152 Год назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective OK, thank you!

  • @JbombTheGreat
    @JbombTheGreat Год назад +3

    Great video. I've seen a lot of people asking for a comparison between these 2 lenses.

  • @20DYNAMITE06
    @20DYNAMITE06 6 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much for this comparison. I really appreciate it!

  • @frugal-photog
    @frugal-photog 3 месяца назад

    Thanks for the very thorough review. You deserve a lot more subscribers than you have.
    Although I must say, I very much disagree with your conclusions (and BTW, part of what makes a good thorough review is that one shows their work so that the viewer can come to their own conclusions - so again thank you for that). I think you're underestimating a number of important things: Weight, size and cost in particular. Personally, I find those very important. I found the image quality comparisons closer than you suggest in your verbal comments and the auto-focus differences small enough to be unworthy of an upgrade. I can see why others may find the internal focus, weather sealing and focus noise for video compelling reasons for upgrading, but for me, I'd much rather save the weight (which becomes notably substantial if you need the FTZ for any other lenses) and the space in my bag... plus keep an extra thousand dollars for some other lens upgrade.
    But again, I thank you for the thorough review.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  3 месяца назад

      Thank you!
      Its hard to convey image quality across youtube videos. Its best to find some image samples from websites to view on your own screen.
      It can be splitting hairs on the basis of images produced. But if you need something just built better than the Sigma you'll be looking at the overweight sport version or just buying the Nikon 180-600. And the 180-600 weighs a few pounds less than the Sports. Along with native mount and internal zoom. All things considered its not really a fair comparison. I just happened to be upgrading from the Sigma to the Nikon as many people do.
      If someone isnt in need of the better quality of life functions, theres not much reason to upgrade from Sigma C to the Nikon.
      This week I'll be posting a Nikon 105 2.8 MC Macro review, hopefully.

  • @thomasfox5476
    @thomasfox5476 Год назад

    Thanks for the update, waiting on delivery of z 180-600mm.👍

  • @victorbastos5859
    @victorbastos5859 Год назад

    Nice video. Does the Bird Eye AF work with the Sigma? Thanks!

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +1

      Yes. The Nikon Z9 AF types and modes are not dependent on what lens is used. As long as the lens supports auto focus.

    • @victorbastos5859
      @victorbastos5859 Год назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective Many thanks!

  • @scuba-people
    @scuba-people 9 месяцев назад +1

    thx for the comparison would love to know about the ibis on photography... is the ibis available from the menu in photography with the sigma on the z9?

    • @scuba-people
      @scuba-people 9 месяцев назад

      ps i know there is the evr in video.... it shows as unavailable on my z8 thank you

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  9 месяцев назад +1

      Ibis is just the camera sensor being stabilized. It's on with every lens.
      Electronic VR is jerky and sucks. I wouldn't use it.

    • @scuba-people
      @scuba-people 9 месяцев назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective it s also what i thought, i was lent a z9 on an assignment in nepal and yes it was the case but on my z8 the ibis option is not on anymore this is only the case with my sigma any of my nikon f mount are getting the ibis. I ge the feeling when i just got the z8 it was the case and with the firmware update its now not compatible with non nikon f lens..

    • @scuba-people
      @scuba-people 9 месяцев назад

      ps to be clear i'm not talking about the electronic vr but the actual ibis setting in the cam menu

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  9 месяцев назад

      @@scuba-people if your lens has a VR switch, it will turn on and off the lens VR and camera IBIS together. And the in camera VR options will be greyed out.
      Sadly, Nikon doesn't let you have VR on in lens and IBIS in camera controlled seperated.
      So turn your lens switch to VR On and ibis will continue to work.

  • @MrShari123
    @MrShari123 Месяц назад

    That is on the Z9 which I cannot handle the weight. Can you say what the comparison would be using the Z7. I usually shoot my Sigma on tripod from my balcony as lots of wildlife. Would switching to 180-600 be worth it with Z7? Thanks

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Месяц назад

      @@MrShari123 I would absolutely switch. For all the quality of life improvements. You just wouldn't have the extra stabilization added by nikon syncro VR.
      Id consider looking for a referb Z8 though in your situation. The Z7 is pretty painful to use for auto focusing.

    • @MrShari123
      @MrShari123 Месяц назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective thank you. The Z8 is too heavy for me to carry around and I can’t afford not to sell z7 if I went that route. I will look at refurbished tho. So maybe not worth going for 180-600 with z7.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Месяц назад +1

      @@MrShari123 the Z8 is only about 8 ounces heavier.
      Or you could consider the Z6iii. I actually forgot about that camera. It's about the same size as your Z7, but far superior. I've seen used ones go for about 2200$.

  • @dfinlay587
    @dfinlay587 Год назад

    Nice video. Thanks for the comparison. waiting on delivery of my lens... can't wait to get out and shoot.

  • @inspiredartphotos
    @inspiredartphotos Год назад

    Thank you for the excellent video. I have considered the Nikon 180-600 to my Sigma 150-600. Before I ever bought the Sigma I knew it really shined out to 500 mm in sharpness. In fact it was sharper than the much heavier Sport version. I regret not buying the Nikon 200 to 500. My Sigma auto focus was tuned for optimal performance with the Sigma dock. That was more of an issue using it with my D750. I have used it with my Z6 MK2 with FTZ adapter. I sold that camera and not really tried it with my Z9. Smooth focus “grabs” matter to me more than super fast focus for my video work. I had the custom mode tuned for birding. I am going to re-watch the video to see if you have any corner sharpness tests done at 500. The Nikon 200-500 had focus issues when it was first released. I needed a long lens that worked so bought the Sigma at the time.
    I often carry my camera and lens protected by a plastic bag. Dust contamination is definitely a factor out in Arches when the wind is blowing. My issue is will I use the 180-600 enough to justify the purchase.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      Hey thanks!
      If you plan on owning it for a long while, the internal zooming will be a huge plus no matter where your shooting. Even just keeping it in the car or home it will reduce the amount of dust pumped into it. Along with environmental factors like seasonal pollen.

    • @inspiredartphotos
      @inspiredartphotos Год назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective actually I shoot a ton of video so better image stabilization in the Nikon lens is a huge motivation for me.

    • @bobdalton2062
      @bobdalton2062 4 месяца назад

      I am NOT happy with Sigma auto-focus, esp with a TC. I often and shooting 1000K mm and more, hunting is not good, and it seems too slow for my birding flight

  • @nelsoninpallit
    @nelsoninpallit Год назад +1

    Can i use my sigma 100-400mm 1:5-6.3 DG with nikon z6ii ? And if not is there adapter to that

  • @RiveraLuis808
    @RiveraLuis808 Год назад +1

    Great video thank you for this!

  • @ALIONFORYAHSWORD
    @ALIONFORYAHSWORD 6 месяцев назад

    I wonder how the newer software update affects focus for Nikon. IN April 2024 I tested a Z8 auto focus, and it was extremely sticky while in B&H.
    Internal focus is nice on this lens.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  6 месяцев назад

      I'm sure it didn't get worse. Lol

    • @ALIONFORYAHSWORD
      @ALIONFORYAHSWORD 6 месяцев назад

      @MannsWoodlandPerspective Yeah, no, I didn't think that it got worse either.
      As accurate as tracking was in B&H I would like to see you re-evaluate this lens with the better software updates.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  6 месяцев назад

      Reevaluate with which camera?

    • @ALIONFORYAHSWORD
      @ALIONFORYAHSWORD 6 месяцев назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective with the same camera the Z9 I'm guessing would be perfect. The software is leap years ahead if the 1st issued firmware with the last update.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  6 месяцев назад

      @@ALIONFORYAHSWORD I've been on the newest Z9 firmware and it feels basically the same. There's not been a big difference between fw 4.1 and fw5.0

  • @kirillKKD
    @kirillKKD Год назад +1

    It would be interesting to compare 180-600 with sigma 60-600 for SLR cameras. Still, additional focal lengths from 60-180 can be very useful. I wonder how they compare in terms of AF speed and image quality. In terms of stabilization, Sigma will definitely lose.

  • @IanAtkins5
    @IanAtkins5 Год назад +1

    Curious why you don't use sport's mode VR?

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +2

      Because the subject was not moving erratically.
      And the Sigma doesn't have Sports VR. So it wouldn't be accurate comparison.
      The previous video from the Cleveland Airshow, the photo and video was all used with Sports VR.

  • @camilo8cheryl
    @camilo8cheryl 7 месяцев назад

    Just got this sigma for $750, nikon is superior but it’s out of stock and back ordered and i need the 400mm range for the solar Eclipse this coming april 8.. i might just sell the sigma together with my old gear’s, D500/D750..but for now i need it badly for the eclipse

  • @sunking9050
    @sunking9050 8 месяцев назад

    Very good comparison. Thx

  • @MrAddieb
    @MrAddieb Год назад

    Thanks for your vid...
    You made a tiny mistake in the excel file you published...
    The shortest length of the Sigma C+FTZ isn't 368 mm, but 290 mm (without lens hood).
    The longest length is not 460,5 mm but 370 mm.
    I just measured it.
    I think I'm going to conclude, I'm not selling my Sigma and buy the Nikon Z 180-600 (yet...)
    So your video is been helpful to make it a bit more clear for me... But I'm going to look for more.
    Regards from the Netherlands, Europe.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      For longest length, it's extended at 600mm with the hood.
      At the end of the video, it shows the lens being measured.

  • @cablecarpify
    @cablecarpify Год назад

    Welke arca swiss lens plate word hier gebruikt op de 180-600??

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      De plaat voor de Nikon of Sigma staat vermeld in de videobeschrijving. De Nikon heeft een 150mm Leophoto plaat.

  • @carolinagorodetsky8200
    @carolinagorodetsky8200 10 месяцев назад +1

    From your comparison I don't see the reason to "upgrade".

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  10 месяцев назад +3

      Optically, it's a 15% improvement for the Nikon.
      But for the other things like internal zoom, sealing, native mount, lens program buttons, better stabilization, having Syncro VR+IBIS together, build quality ect it's a no brainer to upgrade.

  • @joshstraley7195
    @joshstraley7195 9 месяцев назад

    i wanna see the newer 60-600mm sigma compared to the z

  • @stjepanjina
    @stjepanjina Год назад

    Tx for test! Loved Nikon

  • @jfphotography69
    @jfphotography69 Год назад

    What's with that strap on the lens hood of the Sigma, the noise it makes is annoying as heck.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      It comes in the kit from Sigma.
      I liked using it to pull the cap off the lens in a rush so I didn't have to reach inside the hood.

  • @br2v
    @br2v Год назад

    thanks a lot , nice review 👍

  • @wayanadanpixels
    @wayanadanpixels Год назад

    Hi , can you compare sony etz21pro adapter and 200-600 on z9 ( with nikon 180 600) . Both lenses looks very similar and wondering how the sharpness , IBIS works for video recording on z9

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +2

      I can't, sorry.
      The cost to buy or rent is to high just for a video.
      Everything on my channel is my own money and equipment.
      But hey if Sony and Megadapt wanted to sponsor a video I'd be all over it. Lol.

    • @wayanadanpixels
      @wayanadanpixels Год назад +1

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective that's true 🙌

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +3

      ​​@@wayanadanpixelsjust going by weight, sealing, cost, minimum focus ect that can be seen in the chart 4:00 comparison there's really no reason for someone to buy a Sony lens when the Nikon finally exists now.

    • @wayanadanpixels
      @wayanadanpixels Год назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective checking alternative for sony is because i am not 100% trusting nikon . because when i was buying z6 , a7iii was cheaper but focusing better than z6 . when i got z8 , 2 hardware issues reported by nikon 1 was already identified in z9 that is the lens mount issue and my preordered z8 was effected. Now nikon introduced 180 600, not able to trust 100% . its same price as sony but reviews show its less sharper compared to sony when 6.3 aperture but sharper for f8 . slower motors wondering will it be ok for video autofocus.. So that's the history i just checking sony when nikon is out

  • @Bartek9957
    @Bartek9957 Год назад

    Was the AF on Sigma in the default or fast mode?

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      You mean the VR?
      It was on the first option.

    • @Bartek9957
      @Bartek9957 Год назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective No, I meant the options that can be set via USB Dock - one of them makes the AF faster.

  • @vikashs7102
    @vikashs7102 Год назад

    Nice Video ! If possible please compare Nikon Z 180 - 600mm vs Sony 200 - 600mm

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +1

      Thanks!
      Unless Sony sends me a 200-600 or someone else does, I wouldn't be able to.
      All these are my own equipment.

    • @vikashs7102
      @vikashs7102 Год назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective Sure! But really a nice comparison video it was between Nikon and Sigma

    • @uchithahettiarachchi8304
      @uchithahettiarachchi8304 Год назад

      @@vikashs7102 ruclips.net/video/3aflvpZ7K0s/видео.html

  • @CarlosGutierrez-cu4tu
    @CarlosGutierrez-cu4tu Год назад

    Thanks!

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      Thank you Carlos!
      My first super😎

    • @CarlosGutierrez-cu4tu
      @CarlosGutierrez-cu4tu Год назад

      Well deserved! Great video, served me well. Also like you incorporate your yak. I do the same down in the Everglades

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      @@CarlosGutierrez-cu4tu Oh man I'd looove to go through the Everglades. some day. So much more opportunities for wildlife.

  • @getabey
    @getabey Год назад

    Excellent video! How does the combo of Z7ii +180-600mm Z compare with D850+200-500mm in performance? What's your take on it?

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      Thank you,
      This was a Z9 + 180-600.
      But overall I'd consider the Z7ii pretty equal to the D850 setup for photo. Video isn't much of a comparison.

  • @rbob4931
    @rbob4931 Год назад

    5:50. You were using vehicle tracking while there was nothing resembling a vehicle anywhere to track.
    Everybody has to start somewhere. The video is informative otherwise though it is a no-brainer which lens is better.
    Keep at it!

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      Thanks
      Yeah it was a leftover setting from the airshow previous.
      But in those modes it will still focus on anything in the frame if it doesn't see a vehicle/animal/human ect to detect and track.
      In single point AF-C the AF near to far worked the same. Regardless of what AF type it was.

  • @jensenbell4429
    @jensenbell4429 9 месяцев назад

    I’m not seeing much difference at all. Still stoked on my Sigma!

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  9 месяцев назад

      Just for the quality of life updates the Z lens brings is worth it's Wright in gold.

  • @stanleyyow4496
    @stanleyyow4496 Год назад

    No, you can't compare one with single AF and the other with wide-L AF

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад

      In person it was the same speed when racking near to far focus. Really doesn't change the outcome.

  • @ele4853
    @ele4853 Год назад +1

    You made a HUGE mistake dude. 2.8 meters minimum focus is for the Sigma on the 600mm. Nikon is superior on minimum. Please be careful when you are making these comparisons.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +3

      What mistake did I make?
      The Sigmas minimum focus distance is the same at 150mm or 600mm. It doesn't change. In the video you can see the lens didn't even extend.
      The Nikon focuses closer at wide end, but at 600mm it increases a little bit. But it is still a lot closer 600 v 600 on the Nikon anyway.
      I don't understand your point?

    • @camilo8cheryl
      @camilo8cheryl 7 месяцев назад

      The “ Be careful” made me laugh😂 it’s a very deadly lens comparison and someone might get hurt✌️ so Be careful next time.

    • @ndenyer
      @ndenyer 7 месяцев назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective I certainly didn't understand the minimum focus section - it was unclear which lens you were talking about at any point, and even the photos didn't help as it wasn't clear whether the titles related to the picture above/below or to the left/right.

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  7 месяцев назад +1

      @@ndenyer yeah I understand the confusion after the fact. But the Nikon was able to focus almost twice as close. Next time I'll add lines / arrows.

    • @ndenyer
      @ndenyer 7 месяцев назад

      @@MannsWoodlandPerspective brilliant - thanks

  • @baredesigns1
    @baredesigns1 Год назад

    Nikon bodies are notorious for AF hunting and these tests simply reaffirms the issue. Nikkor lens are great but bodies suck

    • @MannsWoodlandPerspective
      @MannsWoodlandPerspective  Год назад +10

      What kinda thought is that 😂
      I would not judged a near to far AF test as anything useful 😂
      No one actually focuses from 4ft to infinity and back on any lineup in a serious manner at 600mm.
      When things actually mattered, my D500, or Z9 never hunt.