The Hard Truth About Pro Photography in 2023

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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2023
  • In this video, I'm going to share with you the hard truth about pro photography in 2023.
    According to forecasts, the commercial photography industry is going to be a lot different in 2023 than it is today. In this video, I'm going to share with you what I think is going to happen and why it matters. After watching this video, you'll be able to make informed decisions about your career path in photography!
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  • @laurenoe
    @laurenoe 10 месяцев назад +59

    Photography is a small part of what I do (corporate cinematographer) and what you say is spot on. People don't understand what it takes to get to the "money". Agree 100%. Its HARD work. People see the "toys" but they have no idea what it takes. People don't see me - a single woman - moving through airports with 12 checked on bags/cases, sweating, no makeup, looking pretty rough. Being a media professional - not a "social media" person - is a tough, hard-core profession.

  • @LXDV
    @LXDV 10 месяцев назад +27

    I made the jump to full-time commercial photography at 27 shortly after having my second child. 5 years and a third child in and for me now, if I'm not doing family stuff I am working. Very easily hit 14 hours a day of working and very frequently don't take full days off. I now work harder and longer than any other career I've had in the past. But I love the life I've built around it and I could never see myself going back to regular employment. What's weird about it though is despite the inconsistency of my paycheck I actually feel more secure knowing that my effort and drive is what ultimately dictates my income not the whim of an employer.

  • @Hydrogen101
    @Hydrogen101 10 месяцев назад +10

    The sacrifice for so little gain is why I quit photography and went to engineering school. Not many people can be an engineer. Now I make a ton of money and have hobbies. Much happier. But I do long for my old photography lifestyle traveling the world and doing super cool stuff. Safaris, jumping out of airplanes, meeting all sorts of colorful people… sigh. Back to the office 9-5 😢

  • @oleleclos
    @oleleclos 10 месяцев назад +23

    I recognise your description from my own career, and that was 50 years ago. I burnt out after ten years (14 if you include my apprenticeship), and although I was doing well, I never made it to the very top. What got me to change career was partly running on empty in the end (aged 30), but also the shock of seeing a friend and colleague who HAD got to the absolute pinnacle and THEN fell from it. In his late forties he suddenly became yesterday’s news and a year later he took his own life. So beware, not only is it cold on the top, there’s also a long way down!

  • @kendricksnotaboutit
    @kendricksnotaboutit 10 месяцев назад +16

    “I shoot to pay the bills” should be on a t shirt

    • @Gorabe
      @Gorabe 10 месяцев назад +2

      Could be a little bit misleading 😅

    • @trancer03
      @trancer03 10 месяцев назад

      I am going to make a t shirt with that on it

    • @brad_in_yyc
      @brad_in_yyc 10 месяцев назад +2

      So should the one for hobbyists. "I shoot for the passion of it."

    • @veivoli
      @veivoli 10 месяцев назад

      @@trancer03 Better make sure it has an image of a camera on it - could be dangerous otherwise! 📷🙂🔫😞

  • @burrdaddy
    @burrdaddy 10 месяцев назад +20

    Love these types videos. This is about the only channel that isn't always trying to sell cameras. Thanks!

  • @jhonatanjhs
    @jhonatanjhs 10 месяцев назад +16

    These kind of videos are way more interesting than equipment reviews, top 5 tricks, etc.
    Even if they don't get as many views :)

    • @photobizmethod
      @photobizmethod 10 месяцев назад

      right!

    • @algarveTV
      @algarveTV 9 месяцев назад

      The other are good also. We need diversity, the problem is that 99% of photographers are doing the Reviews, the etc. and very few this type, that are important, relevant and interesting. Also this don't give you sponsors money or trips or incentives...

  • @vinnieRice
    @vinnieRice 10 месяцев назад +14

    Good stuff. This applies to any career that is seen as a 'dream job' - sports, music, acting, art etc.. The competition is brutal and intense. But... there is a way to find a path that's a slightly easier and the odds of success are a little shorter. Find a specialist niche that is likely to grow, and become the absolute bloody expert in it. Become the guru, become the go-to guy/gal in this one very specific area. Write articles about it. Give lectures about it. Social media post about it and ONLY it. The work levels are the same and niches can disappear quickly, but you can cut the time to stable income from 10-15 years to 3-5. Old man advice from someone who's seen it, done it and bought the T-shirt.

  • @nick_cooper
    @nick_cooper 10 месяцев назад +3

    A few wise people have told me to not do your passion as a job. For me, that is cars and more recently photography. I love tinkering with my car in the garage, changing it up to suit my driving, testing it on tracks etc but I won't ever make it a career. As soon as money starts changing hands over it, the feel of it changes (which is why I volunteered to be the entire pit crew for a season of club racing for a self funded driver).
    And the same goes for photography. I tend to shoot cars and wildlife and considered selling prints on the side for any decent picture I take, but that brings in work and stress which I don't want with a hobby.
    Sticking with a decent IT job brings me in enough money to have these expensive hobbies, and not getting burnt out with stress or financial worries.

  • @blubravery
    @blubravery 10 месяцев назад +7

    Soo true. When I decided to make the change from being the family photographer to the commercial photographer, I told my wife, I love you but I'm gonna be dedicating a year of making sure I can shoot on brand. She was very understanding. My friends thought I abandoned them. I'm starting to see snippets of the fruits of that labor.

  • @TheBigBlueMarble
    @TheBigBlueMarble 10 месяцев назад +5

    Many good photographers are bad business people and don't know how to compete.
    Many bad photographers are good business people and really do know how to compete.
    Both groups will ultimately lead to failure to reach the highest levels of professional photography.
    To succeed at the highest levels (in any field) you need to be a good at doing the job and good at business and competing.
    In the end...you have to REALLY want it.

  • @fosk8
    @fosk8 10 месяцев назад +5

    The money management part is so accurate, and it's true for any artistic business. When the WGA strike started, I heard some people wonder how screenwriters would manage to survive for months without revenue. The answer is "because that's what they've always been doing." You never know when you're gonna spend several months without new contracts. You just can't make it in these kinds of businesses if you don't know how to manage your money.

  • @ThisDudeTrippin
    @ThisDudeTrippin 10 месяцев назад +22

    As a young photographer who is about 18 months in on the business side, newly married and a father.....this couldn't have been more helpful and encouraging. The reality of the downsides of fully committing to this career and lifestyle but also seeing that it CAN be done. 👏🏾 thank you

    • @vision-gc4hy
      @vision-gc4hy 10 месяцев назад +2

      Everything in life will conspire to knock you off of your focus. Keep to your true North, keep learning, growing and believing in yourself.

    • @ThisDudeTrippin
      @ThisDudeTrippin 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@naturesoundsnz incredible advice. Thank you for sharing, truly!

    • @ThisDudeTrippin
      @ThisDudeTrippin 10 месяцев назад

      @@vision-gc4hy I couldn't agree more! Thank you for the encouragement and wisdom! 🙏🏾

  • @ivorcoulson
    @ivorcoulson 7 месяцев назад +1

    Absolutely Spot on what you said there Scott.
    Ive been doing Photography for over Ten years as a Hobbyist and as an interest and did a Years Course at evening Class in Photography and achieved a City & Guilds Certificate Level One in Photography.
    Its So hard to Break into the industry Or make a Living out of it.
    Im a Gardener now. 🌱🌿🌳
    Its Hard work but keeps me fit and Pays regular money.👍

  • @91364Steve
    @91364Steve 10 месяцев назад +2

    Your "tough love" approach is difficult to take at times but it's so much more valuable than the "sunshine & daisies" you see on other channels. My journey is less common than younger photogs. Six years ago, I gave up a 24-year career as an attorney (which I hated to my core) to do photography full time. I've been able to succeed more quickly than some of my younger peers because, though I was new to the photography business, I was NOT new to photography, and I was NOT new to business. But it's also been harder on me than some younger cats. Financial austerity is much more difficult when you're approaching and passing 50. I'm not quite where I need to be yet, but I will be. Your videos provide both a source of inspiration as well as a valuable reality check. Keep posting great content!

  • @VirtualTourPhotographer
    @VirtualTourPhotographer 10 месяцев назад

    Principally spot on. Now there can be many variations on this, such as weddings, real estate, commercial spaces, or what I do, virtual tours. But your point is what needs to get dug in to aspiring photographers. When we do it, we do it as a business, not as a 'fun artistic outlet'. When I explain that to my clients that a 3 hours shoot can convert to a whole week of editing, they often can figure that out. But for those of us who treat our cameras, computers, lights, cars, etc, as income generating devices, then, it's all business.

  • @CONDREAYPHOTO
    @CONDREAYPHOTO 10 месяцев назад +5

    You are 100% correct. I was a professional photographer for 42 years, before retiring due to health issues. Your analogy holds true for several activities. People want to win the prize, but aren't willing to sacrifice, and do the tiny things every day that enable the victory. There are no participation trophies in photography. Keep up the great work. I hope you have a long and successful career and life.

  • @KevinNordstrom
    @KevinNordstrom 10 месяцев назад +8

    This is why I quit photography as a job and it's now just a hobby and passion. I found the truth in what you said throughout my time doing it full-time. What you say is 100% accurate. Which is why I quit and found a more stable career with less commitment. My kids and wife are more important than selling work and selling out my family and my health.
    Now, Im a happy photographer again and find joy in the art.

    • @Buttercup697
      @Buttercup697 10 месяцев назад +1

      Yes … I don’t understand people who have 3 kids while undertaking a career that sucks all your time. Unfair to the kids in reality. This idea that we can all have everything is a fallacy. As a photojournalist who travels, how is an absent parent a good role model?

    • @omnirhythm
      @omnirhythm 10 месяцев назад

      There's no single correct truth here. I was conceived as a New Year's eve one night stand between my parents. They've been divorced ever since I was born and I came out alright. I know people with much worse, disfunctional and straight up terrible families and still they preservere and come out alright. On the other hand, my ex-best friend had lovely supportive parents but his own inner demons made him isolate himself from everyone, cut ties and now he's working a crappy job and being incredibly bitter at the world and society. Ideally, parents should always be there and use most of their free time to spend it genuinely enjoying with kids, and raising them, but it's not always like that and that's fine. Also, financially sometimes a parent decides for long-term stability while sacrificing those fleeting moments with their kids. If I ever have kids, I'll be very hard pressed to make that choice. The human mind's strenght is in adapting, overcoming and sometimes kids don't need such an active presence to love their parent(s). Everyone's different and all that jazz :) @@Buttercup697

    • @davidgambin2551
      @davidgambin2551 7 месяцев назад

      @@Buttercup697 you can be an outstanding role model doing that

  • @bcleste
    @bcleste 10 месяцев назад +5

    I believe the real problem with the stat is their sample group. Photography is an art. As such it doesn’t require a degree or certifications or a license. Anyone can pick up a camera and with enough practice, a good idea or an artistic sensibility they can create art. All you have to do from there is put a portfolio of that art together and if it is desirable you will get work. Most artists fail because your selling art to people who can’t do what you do. So they have no understanding of what goes into creating great work or what the difference is between great and good enough. They just know that good enough comes in under budget. It’s the same thing that happened to the camera market. Phones have a good enough camera for 99% of people. And the people that are going to get a tremendously better photo out of a camera than they would a phone, would also have gotten a much better photo with a phone than the 99% would with a camera. I’m sure at your level there is a bit more discernment. But the average portrait photographer is barely a step up from uncle bob and his brand new iPhone or galaxy s20. So why would people pay Joey college degree 1500 bucks for photos of their kids when I have a camera in my pocket 24 hours a day.

  • @davewilliamson7030
    @davewilliamson7030 10 месяцев назад +5

    Priceless advice. Thank you Scott!

  • @timomuursepp3283
    @timomuursepp3283 10 месяцев назад +1

    Most true photography business channel in the whole internet. Loved the quote about when you make 1000€ a day and you think you are a full time photographer. I make 1000€ days some time but I would not make a living from photography. As a father and a husband I have to think about family and providing them that we could live a good life. I work at the office from 9-5 and do photography as a side business. 4th year going and I make a good extra money out of it. Each year my annual income is growing from photography. As for now I feel good about my situation and Im not rushing to make a full time photography career but maybe Im on my way to this life. Who knows.

  • @serenaburroughs7442
    @serenaburroughs7442 8 месяцев назад

    I'm in the depth of watching all your videos over the last couple of days and want to just say ... Thank you! There is a mindset shift that needs to happen. I'm recognizing this after years, and started looking for more info on how to be more sustainable with business practices... Needless to say just hearing your take on things has been so refreshing and motivating. Thank you. It takes a lot, and I am willing. Time to get to work.

  • @BryonBlack1
    @BryonBlack1 10 месяцев назад +3

    I think most of what you say is probably true, but I do disagree with you on one point:
    I think you can still have a decent career as a photographer even if you aren't doing the 70-90 hr weeks.
    My hours flex depending on the number of projects I have going on. My wife is a teacher, so she has summers off. I am blessed that I can decide to do less work over the summer so I have more time for short getaways, day trips, etc with my wife and our 3 little kids.
    I don't doubt that I could make significantly more money if I had those 70-90 hr weeks, but it's just not worth it for me. I have this business so I can have flexibility with my family compared to a typical 9-5.
    I'm not making loads of money, but I'm making enough to support my family. And as my kids get a bit bigger and more independent, I'll be able to flex into spending more time focused on the business.
    I should clarify that I do multiple types of photography: food, real estate, head shots, products, events, etc. No families or babies, but I do 3-4 weddings a year.

  • @hyltongudmanz7789
    @hyltongudmanz7789 10 месяцев назад

    Discovered your channel recently and am loving the wisdom and your humility. This is so true. My profession is different, but the principle remains. Even in music, Simon Phillips (Toto etc) was asked what it takes to be a pro vs hobbyist and said, "It must be your everything".

  • @peterdrought9334
    @peterdrought9334 10 месяцев назад +2

    Very much agree. The problem is that if you are in any sort of contact with the public (anyone without creative industries experience) it is perceived as '"easy". This means that the public have a toxic attitude towards creatives in general. Being up against that "constantly" really can grate against you. In order to succeed in this, you need to have grown up to a level where you are able to, at least, separate yourself from that to some degree, but it will never be easy.

  • @keybladesss
    @keybladesss 9 месяцев назад

    that last line was all i needed to here from you to make me want to subscribe the honesty was real there

  • @knocka007
    @knocka007 10 месяцев назад

    Amazing and so true 😅 always look forward to your videos to keep me on track ... thankyou 😊

  • @geranraath
    @geranraath 10 месяцев назад +1

    Scott, you're like the commercial photography Bible. We, my wife and I, have 2 jobs. That's what it takes for us at the moment to keep our studio but I won't go back to a salary. Thanks for always hitting the nail on the head when it's most needed. May you always be blessed.

  • @banditalley9592
    @banditalley9592 10 месяцев назад +1

    On a different note... I find your RUclips videos very inspirational - which is ironic when you are detailing how hard it is to make a living doing this in 2023. I think it's the honesty - and from the comments below I think everyone else feels the same

  • @philipvaughan1027
    @philipvaughan1027 10 месяцев назад

    Brilliant real advice, they don't tell you about the sacrifices and struggles at college

  • @IliaMassalkinePhoto
    @IliaMassalkinePhoto 10 месяцев назад +1

    I agree with you 100% you need to be able to chose what’s important. If you don’t take this all the way you stagnate and you plateau. Several time through the year I’ve decided to spent sometime away and it just wrecked me in my progress. Everyday off is 3 days catch up. I missed an entire year riding my motorcycle because I chose to stay and work on the business. It was a horrible feeling but now I’m happy. Thank you for your insight and reassurance that I’m not the only one.

  • @Haileymjr
    @Haileymjr 10 месяцев назад +4

    Curious Scott, do you think this mindset is a form of hustle culture or a product of the industry as a whole?

  • @larryphotography
    @larryphotography 10 месяцев назад

    You were a violinist?? Whoa, me too! Still am, but also a photographer and loving both.

  • @PauloOtago
    @PauloOtago 10 месяцев назад

    I really enjoy your honest insights. When people say why don’t you do photography full time, this is exactly the reason, because those areas of the business are not the bits I’d be good at.

  • @steevewhitehead1416
    @steevewhitehead1416 10 месяцев назад

    Love your ramblings, great insight to consider.

  • @chriscarrillotpt
    @chriscarrillotpt 10 месяцев назад

    I'm a full-time professional musician and part-time photographer and this is spot on. I have a family and have been working in the creative fields for years. I feel this video in my bones. I enjoy your thoughts on the creative life!

  • @brianriedel5056
    @brianriedel5056 10 месяцев назад

    I am finding this out year over year. As my business is growing I find it difficult to balance life and work. And I do this while balancing two jobs- the day job and photography job. I am grateful for a wife that is understanding that this is how most days are and caring about how my business does, that I am enjoying it, and that I am always evolving in it. Fingers crossed it will eventually come to be what I want it to be…before I retire. By the way I love your channel. I’d love to chat sometime.

  • @dvdragon
    @dvdragon 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great talk. Thanks for keeping it real!

  • @inlocoparentis
    @inlocoparentis 10 месяцев назад

    I'm at the beginning stages of planning out a move into photography. This was VERY helpful.

  • @narsplace
    @narsplace 11 дней назад

    As someone who has talked to a few pro photographers in the past, many of them don't hire from schools.
    As many who have gone to a photography school have a list of skills but don't master any.
    A pro isn't looking for someone with a bunch of skills in photography, they want someone that can do what they require.
    Many self learners have that advantage because they don't need to go through a training process and can get skills that they see fit for themselves.

  • @cbnkp
    @cbnkp 10 месяцев назад

    Never thought of myself as a football player kind of guy but now that I do... my photography career has already outlived most pro football careers.
    Not bad. 🤔

  • @JMIMEDIALLC
    @JMIMEDIALLC 10 месяцев назад

    This was a great, raw, and insightful take. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Obsession is the key to success and just reinforced that message.

  • @jeffcloud4913
    @jeffcloud4913 10 месяцев назад

    TRUTH! Man, your stuff, philosophy - everything - so good. And yes, this needs to be in the intro class to every "sexy" job. Keep going.

  • @pedrofcalado
    @pedrofcalado 10 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for sharing a bit of reality with the world!

  • @pavaobobinac6400
    @pavaobobinac6400 10 месяцев назад

    I agree with you! If you want to be the best, you have to put in the work. That’s it. Sometimes it is hard to do anything after the 9 to 5 job, but a basic salary is something that motivates me to do more, to be better, to work harder outside my regular job. And I do belive that with time, something great will grow.

  • @jackbennett8966
    @jackbennett8966 10 месяцев назад

    A scary reality as someone looking at uni for this, but I'm glad someone is talking about it. I appreciate the video.

  • @tourmaline07
    @tourmaline07 10 месяцев назад

    Good video - this is the first year I've done being completely full time as a photographer and its been an experience growing the business to be able to be self sufficient. Lot of work - but also a lot of reward. Been an eye opener as someone who's been (too) comfortable with being semi-pro for a while needing to expand out of my comfort zone and take on new clients to grow.
    Something I will say is there are two entiely separate crafts - making money by providing value and the craft of photography and you need to master both and understand they are separate. Doing that meant I can keep my passion even if money was tough.

  • @mikeslovak5589
    @mikeslovak5589 10 месяцев назад

    For me. I love arts in general as it is a very unique career path. But i want to keep my passion for it alive so instead i have been looking into the technical side of cameras more such as camera repair and even possibly film development for film photography junkies like myself.
    That way i can keep a stable business in repairing cameras and also keep actually shooting photos as my fun hobby

  • @Bartskol
    @Bartskol 10 месяцев назад +3

    It's a great career for passionate people, it's a job for some.

  • @Murphy599
    @Murphy599 10 месяцев назад +3

    Hi Scott, I’m a big fan and I think you speak the truth like not many people on YT. But as someone who is making a decent salary as a freelance photographer, sometimes you can knock my confidence back a little. I am in my year 4 of this job after 20+ years in another career but you can’t dismiss someone who does charge 500-1000 per day as a “not a real photographer”. Sometimes I get that vibe from your videos. Sorry, just being honest. A great chef working in a corner restaurant can have a better career than Michelin star rated chef.
    Photography is a journey, with little improvements each month. I had to start during covid and didn’t have savings to fall back on. Little by little building my business and I am super proud of it.

    • @stefbacum4454
      @stefbacum4454 10 месяцев назад +2

      I think you got that wrong. He didnt dismiss the photog getting 500 a day, he just said that being at that level is not sustainable as your only job. the argument was not against the photographer but the money. Scott can get one shoot per month and relax for 3 months but someone getting 500 a day needs to get at least 10 shoots per month just to make ends meet..

    • @Murphy599
      @Murphy599 10 месяцев назад

      @@stefbacum4454 no I get that, but why calling it not sustainable? It is hard work, but it sustainable. I think. I am not having an argument btw, it’s just a discussion.

    • @stefbacum4454
      @stefbacum4454 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@Murphy599 to be at that level and only rely on photography is not sustainable as you will soon be broke unless you can get a lot of jobs in a short period of time. with the cost of gear , renting or leasing a studio and all that, it quickly becomes expensive. on top of that you have your personal living expenses.

    • @BigBanana55
      @BigBanana55 10 месяцев назад

      @@Murphy599 Ultimately, the vast majority of freelance photographers in the uk will be within that £500-1000 ballpark (when considering all genres, not just London-based commercial photography). Prospects survays puts the average photo freelance net salary around the £20k-25k range which would fit with those day rates. obviously, earing more via major commissions with extensive licensing/ usage fees is well worth working towards, but only a few will ever get there.

    • @Murphy599
      @Murphy599 10 месяцев назад

      @@BigBanana55 very good point. Although I would say that the survival is mainly due to other skills, like, the ability to market one self, business skills, people skills, etc. If a person has the above than you can be a pro photographer and be in the range of £500-£1000k per day. There is a lot of clients who do have only that budget to satisfy their content needs. And I think while the photographers are in this phase of their career their niche will shape and they will also find out if photography as a career is for them. But I fully agree with you that aspiring for the top of the pyramid should be a motivation for most, it will fuel their passion. thanks for your insight.

  • @jeastmond3573
    @jeastmond3573 10 месяцев назад

    This is the reality check that photographers need to hear! Thank you for creating this hard truth perspective!

  • @shanefoleymedia
    @shanefoleymedia 10 месяцев назад

    As always, I appreciate the raw advice. When you say stagnating from leveling up in your career, what did that look like for you? What were the steps that you took in your career, how long did they take, and how did they get you to where you are today?

  • @pauldarville3843
    @pauldarville3843 10 месяцев назад

    Great advice and insight, Thanks!!!

  • @valdemarcaballero5298
    @valdemarcaballero5298 10 месяцев назад +1

    absolutely true!!!!! 30 years in the industry and i can agree..... Blessings!!!!!

  • @AndyBanner
    @AndyBanner 10 месяцев назад +1

    You've just described almost any small owner-managed business...

  • @karlaston3491
    @karlaston3491 10 месяцев назад

    This is so, so true and it isn't discussed enough. Photography is art, but combine that with a need to make money and it becomes a very different thing. I love photography, but not enough to be a pro. In fact, maybe if you love it you can't be a pro. You have to commit, give everything you have, ignore the rest of your life and.....it still might not be enough. Great video with a much-needed message.

  • @HVRIS
    @HVRIS 10 месяцев назад

    "I shoot to pay the bills" - I can relate

  • @AaronJMarch
    @AaronJMarch 2 месяца назад

    Love the ramblings!

  • @tedsmith_photography
    @tedsmith_photography 10 месяцев назад

    One of your very significant points you make, almost in passing, is that of "family"! When I think back 10 years ago when my kids were 4 and 1, and I had a stomach bug every other week, if I'd have had to shoot a high end wedding, then, it would have killed me, turning up with 3 hours of sleep and dehydrated from nausia! Only now that they are reaching a level of independance have I started to ramp things up.

  • @photobizmethod
    @photobizmethod 10 месяцев назад

    This is awesome!!! So true; what a great video! It's so refreshing to see others like me hahaha! I work all the time but I don't feel like it's work ;-)

  • @jonjanson8021
    @jonjanson8021 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'm a graduate photographer . Bachelors and Masters. Many of my peers got sucked into salaried jobs in the arts and related industries, obviously attracted by the reliable 9 to 5 routine and guaranteed good income. Only a few nutcases like myself were prepared to live on the poverty line for a few years. However the degrees did open a lot of doors, not sure I'd have been able to do it without them.

  • @lesath7883
    @lesath7883 10 месяцев назад

    And once more, you talk about photography and life in general.
    This level of commitment and cometitiveness is just not for everyone.
    It's great some like you can do it.
    And it's also great the rest of us can share photography as a hobby.

  • @Popa_Bogdan_Light_Drawing
    @Popa_Bogdan_Light_Drawing 10 месяцев назад

    Nice point in the end!!!

  • @Tandemdesigns
    @Tandemdesigns 7 месяцев назад

    All great points! US photographer here (now UX designer and animator) don’t forget Americans have to pay their own health insurance, that extra $2,400 a month for a family is what put me into another career.

  • @6whatnext
    @6whatnext 10 месяцев назад +1

    I personally know professional photographers and I know people with degrees in photography but I don’t personally know anyone with a degree who is also a professional photographer.
    Probably the most successful photographer I know gave up doing their A level half way through, feeling it was a waste of time, now employers about 10 + photographers

  • @ezephotography
    @ezephotography 10 месяцев назад

    Wonderful discussion & advice!

  • @griffithdowney8612
    @griffithdowney8612 10 месяцев назад

    Thankyou for saying this

  • @stew_redman
    @stew_redman 10 месяцев назад +2

    I think maybe the 14-month mark is to rule out 12 month contracts + 1-month leeway for contract extension/notice periods.

  • @thephotoroad
    @thephotoroad 10 месяцев назад +1

    In my opinion this is your best video yet. You spell out the hard truths in honest and brutal fashion about what it takes to find success. Though it’d be interesting to hear more of your views about what defines “success” .

    • @TinHouseStudioUK
      @TinHouseStudioUK  10 месяцев назад +1

      I think next week or the week after there is a video about that.

  • @emendoz1
    @emendoz1 8 месяцев назад

    Absolutely correct!

  • @Danperry1110
    @Danperry1110 10 месяцев назад

    Im 3 and half years in and ready for the long haul.

  • @TerenceKearns
    @TerenceKearns 10 месяцев назад

    Love these ramblings

  • @nerb.p.1928
    @nerb.p.1928 9 месяцев назад

    This one was just great.

  • @animestarlord9021
    @animestarlord9021 10 месяцев назад

    Hobbyist photographer here. Something I love but I'm always told how bad I suck at it and to just snap pics with an iphone like a normal person.

  • @CARambolagen
    @CARambolagen 10 месяцев назад

    Thanks!!!

  • @ronpettitt6184
    @ronpettitt6184 10 месяцев назад +1

    There was a time when my wife and I decided we were going to shoot weddings. Wedding shooters in our area make some good money and all. We set it up, we got some gigs and it didn't take long to realize we hated it. We no longer went shooting recreationally and it got to the point that when we thought of shooting it was "work". We spent all sorts of time in between weddings editing and preparing packages for brides and it was simply not for us. I don't miss those days at all. The pace and the commitment required is just not something I want to do with my life.

  • @tonyperez5360
    @tonyperez5360 10 месяцев назад +1

    you're 100% correct

  • @goldenwestdrain
    @goldenwestdrain 10 месяцев назад

    Amen brother !!!!

  • @matrixphotodesign
    @matrixphotodesign 10 месяцев назад

    Wow that was insightful.

  • @daylanbrawley631
    @daylanbrawley631 10 месяцев назад

    Totally agree, I’m still in the stage of having a 9-5 while doing 📸 work on the side.
    I like to assume that people take up photography and quit within 14 months either because they don’t get the immediate praise that a world class photograoher gets (on social media) OR they assume that they hit a ceiling and can never progress past that OR they see the Dunning Kruger photographers getting surface level success (on social media) and get discouraged

  • @funknick
    @funknick 10 месяцев назад

    The comparison to a footballer is very apt. This advice also fits very well with many, many other creative pursuits like painting, music, or writing.
    Unfortunately, the reality is that being a photographer is hard. Everyone wants to play with cameras, get creative, and get paid handsomely for it. The same goes for a musician, everyone wants to be a rockstar, very few have the grit and luck to make it. Similarly for a writer hoping to be the next George R.R. Martin.
    You're also right about people not really wanting to put in the effort.
    I have friends and family who "passively" try and be a creative. Many of them seem oblivious to the amount of real work they need to put in to get a foothold in their industries. Compared to what you've sacrificed, they're coasting along, believing in false hope that someone will come along and notice them.
    This is also likely why I'll remain a hobbyist in photography. I am a professional in my day job, I sacrificed a significant portion of my life getting to where I am. If I pivot to photography, it will be because I'm ready to commit the same way I did for my current career.
    Society doesn't reward half-assed effort, it rewards discipline and grit.

  • @davidgambin2551
    @davidgambin2551 7 месяцев назад

    So much truth in your words

  • @87bjerke
    @87bjerke 10 месяцев назад +2

    I love all the stuff you are sharing, but I could not disagree more with you on this one. Being a photographer - for me - has been the most fun and enjoying process of all the things I have done in my life. I dont drive any BMW or so, but I have more family time, more money and more fun, than I would have in any other job I could get. Being a photographer dont have to wreck you in any way :)

  • @petevonschondorf4609
    @petevonschondorf4609 10 месяцев назад

    another good video, thats applicable to many professions. But, I think you nailed it when you said Colleges/schools/parents don't tell the snowflakes you won't get a job or you will need to make sacrifices and maybe in 10 years you can to a point where you make a go of it.

  • @christhompsonphotography6783
    @christhompsonphotography6783 9 месяцев назад

    Great content

  • @jamestarry4814
    @jamestarry4814 10 месяцев назад +1

    I agree with a lot of this: i'm now at year 16 of my photography business. The only thing I slightly disagree with is the '£500-1000 a day wont make you enough money/you wont be working every day/your over heads are huge" .... that might be the truth for the high end commercial world but there are jobs in the industry that are low overheads and where you can work everyday.

    • @tourmaline07
      @tourmaline07 10 месяцев назад

      I also agree with this being someone with a £500 day rate , I would charge a lot more if I did what Scott does mind

    • @jamestarry4814
      @jamestarry4814 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@tourmaline07 Yeah there's a lot of grey areas. I cover all sorts of rates-depending on job. But I work every single day (except weekends) and my overheads are very low. Its just a bit more nuanced

  • @dkremeni633
    @dkremeni633 9 месяцев назад

    And something else related to this that nobody talks about is, if you want to chase your dream to be a successful photographer, AND have a family, you better be prepared to leave your dream for a family(don't do it the other way around or the kids will suffer at the end). You don't know how is your partner in marriage going to react when you won't be home all the time because you will have to work A LOT. plus, jealousy, money irresponsibility from partner and more are all things you can be encountering(as always in life, nobody is perfect). if you are blessed you have a supporting partner that will sacrifice along side you, and accept every aspect of your dream you won the lottery, congratulations!

  • @Titaniumparts
    @Titaniumparts 10 месяцев назад

    I do 'professional' photography as part of a broad one-stop-shop service. Largely commercial reportage to illustrate company websites and promotions. Deep, unglamorous niches mostly. Alongside that, I create the website, write the content, conceptualise the branding, design logos etc. etc. At my (humble) end of the market it's expected, but also wholly misunderstood and undervalued by clients. Almost universally my skill set is being progressively undermined. Anyone with an iPhone thinks that's all you need to be a good photographer (I get sent shocking rubbish to post on websites - "but it was shot with an iPhone" as though that's sufficient). Also, with outfits like Wix promoting the idea that building a website is easy, clients now imagine that websites virtually build themselves; maybe technically, but quality content is everything and that doesn't appear automatically. It's getting harder and harder to charge enough to survive because increasingly too many people think what I do is easy and doesn't justify my fees. Working in the 'creative' sector really isn't easy.

  • @oldemirolima1287
    @oldemirolima1287 10 месяцев назад

    Bang!💥👌

  • @philliphickox4023
    @philliphickox4023 10 месяцев назад +1

    any one who wants to be an entrepreneur has to fully commit, for example a writer or an actor or a sportsman, it is not just photography. I know people who work in the computer industry, the acronym for IBM is I've been Married too! Another was that the big companies would put the wives in the city that the husband spends the least amount of time in, one person I know personally was sacked mid intercontinental flight. There are many industries that are just as brutal and only people who fully commit have a chance at getting the rewards.

  • @MoBarends
    @MoBarends 10 месяцев назад

    I shoot to pay the bills to. Grinding my way to that 60k a year. I do work about 24 hour a week. Love to be with my child to. When he grows older i pick my hour up again. Lover you videos btw. Cheers

  • @alstuart8801
    @alstuart8801 10 месяцев назад +1

    Well im a retired adland art director and i shoot for me. ( and possibly the model!)

  • @phillcrocker1
    @phillcrocker1 10 месяцев назад

    well said

  • @andrefelixstudio2833
    @andrefelixstudio2833 10 месяцев назад +2

    Most people who think they’re going to be successful in photography, don’t understand it’s not what you know its who you know, you can be a shit photographer and still make it bigger if you know people!

  • @lesliedavis4366
    @lesliedavis4366 10 месяцев назад

    Very good

  • @infincreations
    @infincreations 10 месяцев назад +1

    I jumped into photography wanting to succeed and make some money. So I became an engineer...

  • @patchharvey7892
    @patchharvey7892 10 месяцев назад

    I reckon the 14 month metric might be to see who’s still in work after an initial 12 month contract in their first job. Obvs not really relevant for a career like photography but they’ll be using the same metric as for ‘traditional’ jobs

  • @shabir2020
    @shabir2020 10 месяцев назад

    CORRECT SAID

  • @MakersTeleMark
    @MakersTeleMark 10 месяцев назад

    Another corollary as well is that you can't fake, or short cut pure experience over time. You actually have to walk the miles.

  • @koltureshack7993
    @koltureshack7993 10 месяцев назад

    Bookmarking this for when I need a slap in the face for wanting to quit 😄