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Suppose you're God. What do you ... do? Can you get bored? If so, do you "distribute" yourself into what then becomes the universe(s)? Do you slowly become aware again, as you evolve with your creations and experience ... all that is ... through it and them? Do you relish "good" and "evil" equally? Do you banish your memories at the end of things ... and start all over again?
The old problem of the churches: How personal should a God be? If it is too personal, then everyone has their own personalised God and no longer needs a church. If he is too impersonal, then everything can be imagined under this God, nature, the earth, the universe. Even then, there is no need for a church. So the churches seek the appropriate middle ground for maximum control over the human being.
Pantheism brings one to certainty about God which traditional theism can't do and only using 2 premises while dropping uncertainties. The 2 premises are: you exist and you are intelligent. Everything that exists must have a primary cause except the primary cause because a primary cause can not come from nothing. Both atheist and pantheist agree that our primary cause is the universe. Is there anything that created the universe? That is the uncertainty that pantheists drop. We have no evidence that anything created the universe therefore the universe itself must be the primary cause. You are intelligent therefore your primary cause must be intelligent too at least to some extent because we know from observing existence that all intelligent things come from intelligent things. There is not a single instance in nature where an intelligent thing came from a non-intelligent unliving thing. So all we can say with certainty is that our primary source exists and is intelligent. There is no objective verifiable evidence that this primary source verbally communicated with anyone so all the fancy things that theologians say about God are just speculation. We call this primary source God. Is God omnicient or omnipotent? We don't know. As you are mind and matter our primary source has mind and matter. Could you accept that you a being with mind originated from a mindless universe?
Yeah I imagine God as like an infinite energy that is the most fundamental part of reality that can create spacetime dimensions and other dimensions. Personal yeah, powerful yeah, outside everything and within everything, absolutely. Personifying him uses our imagination and God exists beyond our imagination
I'd like to hear this continue, this train of thought with this man specifically. I find this topic very interesting as I identify as a pantheist myself.
@@Rex-ordos if you want the truth no matter what it is, you will find it. If not you will suppress it in the hope that others alternatives are true but in the end the truth will catch up with you and by then it will be too late to make a change. So seek Jesus now while you still can
God as an infinite being is necessarily everything, both within and beyond the human ability to comprehend. We anthromorphise the concept in order to be able to talk about it at all.
Referring to "God" as a person or with a gender reference points out to "belief" rather than "knowing". If the basis of knowledge is not an enterprise of knowing or knowledge itself but belief, then we start running into problems on the philosophical and logical levels and obviously beyond.
Faith is simply a firm "belief" in something or someone is true & real ... with or without evidence(knowledge) to support the belief. There is no problem here. Christianity is a religion that clearly "believes" in a personal God ... with or without evidence. God either exist or he doesn't. Move on. The real problem is the sciences being dominated by various cults of Atheism, Humanism and naturalism and controlling and manipulating the flow of knowledge to ordinary people ... who may be considering a belief in God. And because most are educated and have a great respect for the sciences & technology ... one's Faith commonly be derived from actual evidence. The laws of Thermodynamics & the expanding Universe data clearly shows the Universe is a ... FINITE Isolated Thermodynamic System that began & is expanding in ... an INFINITE Open system (Surroundings) that must provide the matter, energy, space, time & Laws of physics for the Universe. The Data clearly shows Earth is at the center of the expanding Universe. But most in the sciences believe the Universe has a NATURAL origin 14 billion years ago, even though there is no evidence of this, ... and all claim the Universe is INFINITE in size which means any point in the Universe can APPEAR to be the center. See the problem? Look at the increase in Evolution Theists ... who do not believe in a 6 day Creation ... but a Creation over billions of years. We know Christianity is a religion. Most don't realize Humanism & Atheism is also religions and use pseudo science to disguise their "religious" beliefs.
@@abelincoln8885 What you said reminds me of Eric Dubay and what he believes to be true. Which is that the earth is FLAT and not a globe. I don't know whether he is right or wrong. But his RUclips channel certainly is interesting. There definitely is a God - A sentient intelligence that is the source of all that exists. Not just the source of all that exists but everything that exists is IT. It makes sense to me that the universe is not infinite, but I am sure that all of reality is infinite in size because God is infinite in size. And everything that exists is God. Universes are born and universes die. They expand and then when the energies driving their expansion dissipate they will contract and implode. It is a cycle. We souls/spirits never die. We live forever. It's all designed and manifested by the non-individuated ultimate reality called God. We are microcosmic expressions of this macrocosmic intelligence. Hence made in the image and likeness of God. The ego is not made in the image and likeness though. That's just a tool we use to experience separation so that we can then eventually experience The Unified Self, The Oneness, Samadhi, the Big Self, the non-local Self, God, The One Soul, The Spirit. Many names for the one presence and power expressing Itself as everything that exists.
@@brianlittrell797 What I have said is consistent with SCIENCE ... & ... scripture. There is nothing in the Bible saying the Earth is flat, and the sun, moon and stars rotate around the Earth. The Laws of Thermodynamics & the expanding Universe data .... clearly supports God creating the Heaven & the Earth. But the Theory of Universal Functions predates Theories of a Natural Origins by 150 years, but Newton didn't make the only logical H7pothesis for the Observation that the Universe is like a Watch/Machine/Function. And only the Bible identifies God as the Unnatural intelligence that made the Universe & Earth Functions.
@@abelincoln8885 I'm open minded either way with regards to whether the earth is flat or not. It doesn't matter to much to me one way or the other. With time we all find out everything we want to know anyway. Both the small stuff and the large stuff. What do you mean by Heaven? I agree that God created everything. That is why It's called God. ( : I like the way you express yourself by the way. Very unusual style and expression. You should read the Conversation with God books by Neale Donald Walsch. They are an awesome read. Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramanhansa Yogananda is also awesome. Even with my intuition nowhere near as developed as I'd like it to be I could strongly intuitively sense that Neale Donald Walsch's books are God communicating to him quite clearly, accurately and precisely the secrets of life.
No one seems to notice that the only place we find so called God is in the febrile brains of mankind. It's a lovely notion but it's simply pure fantasy.
(1:00) *RLK: **_"Why have so many philosophers, for example, moved away from that towards images of God, descriptions of God, that are non-personal?"_* ... There are many reasons, but the *#1 reason* is because there isn't a single person who hasn't experienced something so horrible during their lifetime that nobody should ever have to endure. The unimaginable levels of suffering present in human society does not correlate with an all-knowing, all-loving, omnipotent entity. At the same time, there is a spectacular level of beauty, structure, and compassion present within the universe that compels us to consider that something wonderful must surely be at the helm of existence. The truth is that there is no God (as defined by religion), but it is easy to confuse what religion calls "God" with what is actually at the helm of existence. What IS in control of existence is present and active in every single human who has ever existed. Humanity has simply chosen _not_ to "connect the dots."
Most people cause unimaginable suffering by exploiting other living beings for personal sense gratification, so I wonder why you think people are obtaining suffering we haven't earned.
@@PaulHoward108 *"Most people cause unimaginable suffering by exploiting other living beings for personal sense gratification, so I wonder why you think people are obtaining suffering we haven't earned."* ... What child has ever "earned" being abducted, tortured, and violently assaulted? My argument isn't that human suffering shouldn't be a part of our existence. My argument is that you cannot have human suffering combined with an omnipotent God and have it all remain logical. That would be like having "flawed-perfection" which is a self-conflicting term. I know that you believe in God, and it is not my intent to challenge or marginalize your faith. I am presenting a new understanding of "Existence" in my book that better explains human suffering and why things happen as they do without involving a metaphysical being. You would be surprised on how this plays out.
If I cannot find my self but only thoughts, AND if I do not persist through time; I have no need of self, only an ability to contemplate on the thoughts themselves.
What would be better, removing all evil from the world or having people face the evils of the world voluntarily and become brave? Maybe it is remove all evil, but that doesnt seem to be possible in this world. There would be no good without evil and vice versa.
"Unusual form of interaction" is exactly what it is. As for theodicy: God makes evil despite not liking it because it is necessary. You can't be all powerful without actually doing all things. The existence of time is evidence that God regrets that necessity and is engaged in the greater good of creating an ever increasing preponderance of good.
"Is God All Reality?" God is a fantasy concept. We can do with it what we want. If we decide that we will call All Reality God, then God is All Reality. Personally I already have a word for Reality, which is "Reality".
"Reality" depends on individual definition. To many scientists, especially physicists, the likelihood of known gods existing is little or none. But because we do not know too many things about reality, we should not conclude a yet UnKnown God or Trancendent being does not exist in unimaginable ways. So a true scientist today, given atheists and theists both cannot prove what they believe is true, then he should be Agnostic at least for now. Another problem clouding this topic is the fact that language which is an art is being used as humans sole way of communicating or explaining reality. This means everyone can have his own definition of Reality. Flaw or imperfection or flexibility of Language helps cults and charlatans to weasel their way out during a debate.
Visible the Mirror this is Good or a Part from him . He made his self and he find his Self in all Life form in the Universe. I belive this idea is not so Bad. In the First time was there the Aktion and the Reaktion the Sense the Order and the Chaos this made the Move and this Call we Room Time. I belive on the Other Side can not Exist or it is a Mysteriös Place for us. The Order is very Important for the Universe and this is Nothing without the Sense. The Kosmotheismus is the Next best Idea and this two find I self not so bad . This made Sense and the most from the Bibel or the Koran and so far can we good Put on this Ideas. We can not do with him or the World waht we want ,he made his way with us or without us .
The greatest man in all of "Reality" is a Jew called Yeshua ... whose life, death & resurrection ... was foretold in the Hebrew Bible written 500 - 1400 earlier. In the first book of the Hebrew Bible, it clearly explains Man was made in Gd's image and was perfect ... but disobeyed God ... and brought sin, death & judgement to all mankind. But it also revealed God is a Father, Son & Spirit ... and ... will send his only begotten Son to be a sin sacrifice to save eternal souls of anybody who BELIEVES. Hebrew Bible written 500 -1400 years before the birth of Jesus Christ on 1 Nisan 6 BC in Bethlehem ... foretold the Jews rejecting God's Messiah(Son) and being cursed by God, until they repent their sinss and embrace the Messiah(Son of God). It even predicted in the Book of Jonah that the Messiah(Son of God) will die 40 years before the Temple is destroyed because the Jews of Jerusalem ignored God's warning to repent. The New Testament was written 1900 years ago, as says the Jews will eventually embrace jesus as Lord & Savior, .... before Jesus returns to rule for 1000 years & then will come Judgement day. But after man has ruled the Earth for 6 x 1000 years. The Jews still reject jesus as the Messiah, and with the State of Israel, believe they are living in end times when their promised Messiah will come to save them. The Jewish Year since Creation is ...... 5782. Whether you like it or not, this is clear evidence ... the God is real. Christianity is responsible for the development & spreading of western civilization & values, human rights, democracy, eithics, law, the arts & sciences, and education. Missionaries where sent around the world to share the Good News .. and teach people to read the Bible for themselves and BELIEVE ... or not. Again. Life, death & resurrection of Jesus Christ in the Hebrew Bible written 500-1400 years earlier. The Jews repenting their sin, ending God's curse & accepted Jesus as the Messiah in the New Testament written 1900 years ago. Man will rule for 6000 years ... and then God will reign for 1000 years. If God does not exist, there is no harm done. You live, you die and then whatever. But if Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son sent to be a sin sacrifice to save the eternal souls of anybody who believes from God's just nature .... then you will lose everything.
This was very interesting to watch. Thank you Jesus. I will continue walking in faith. I lost my job as a social worker for declining the vaccine. This is my testimony. I declined due to my pre existing health conditions lupus and heart disease. I’m a single mother. I have been struggling to provide for my two autistic children. I feel so alone I find it difficult at times. I have been called horrible names even had death threats over my decision to decline the vaccine. It’s so heart breaking. A kind stranger has helped me that is the only reason why I still have my home I’m so thankful. Even though I’m struggling I will continue to have faith in God!
Having faith on a entity who haven't shown you a decent mercy to have a good life or to your children doesn't make it worth the faith.. And if you ever read about the level of bad things from even a 1 year old baby used in prostitution, it doesn't add anyway to make sense.
Lchaim from Jacova born March 11th in a Bethlehem. Get the shots and listen to your physician. God nor Yeshua of Nazareth are divorced from Science or reality. You will be fine. Trust that God has imbued people with wisdom for a reason.
@@jacovawernett3077 God doesn't weep. God created people. God know the future. God know everything Beforehand. God know what all humans will do in advance. God created hell and paradise. They are already there. People who do terrible abhorrent things will be thrown in hell and keep burning there forever. They will wish they die every moment in hell. But Death is no more. In this earthly life, people do have indeed free well. If they abuse this freedom, they only have this short earthly life to repent , otherwise they are sent to hell when they die, forever. On the contrary, in Paradise, people who did not abuse their God given freedom of will, believed in God "Allah", will be rewarded at the very first moment they are let in paradise, by selectively wiping off their memory of any misery they suffered during their short earthly life. And this is just the beginning of an eternal life in paradise . Paradise is beyond human imagination of extremely good life. No bad people are allowed. No death. No bad events. No disease or illness. No sadness. life in paradise keeps getting better every moment forever. Paradise is ultimate in beauty . If you get your loved ones to believe in God (Allah), as the unique sole creator of everything, who is unlike anything in creation, who has no partners , no children, no beginning or end, absolutely beautiful, powerful, merciful, just, then your loved ones are there for you for ever. There is no aging in paradise, you are 30 years of age. at the best state of health and beauty, forever. Paradise is much much bigger than our earthy universe.There is lot more to know.their Just understand that this earthy life is Not your real life. It just a test for humans so that each and everyone of them will know why his eternal destiny was decided and on what grounds. Well, Its people's deeds and intentions, since they have free will, that will lead them, individually, either to eternal life, the real life, in hell, or the non ending happiness life forever in paradise. None of this came from my own personal ideas or thoughts. This is what 2 billion Muslims believe, and told by Allah in his real, undistorted words of God. Nobody succeeded, or will ever do in distorting the Quran, Allah last message to All humans up to judgment day. Here is a link to the most rusted electronic copy of it, in Arabic accompanied by English explanations of the Arabic verses: quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?ui=1&l=en#aya=1_1&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
No not at all, pantheism is misunderstood concept about God Almighty. God isn't in anything or everything, God is a totally separate identity out of all dimensions we know & don't know... God isn't bounded in any dimension like mass, space, time, energy or any other dimension ... Proof of God is creations around us and more precisely whoever started the first activity of our universe or other universes in their realm
The only way the problem of evil can be answered is that God believes free will is the ultimate good he can bestow upon living creatures and that no evil done of free will can outweigh it.
@@chyfields I personally don't believe in a God, but if an omni god did exist, then there is no such thing as free will for humans or God. We would both be determined due to divine foreknowledge and God's inability to be fallible or hold false beliefs. God would foreknow all, therefore, nothing could happen that God didnt already know. If it doesn't happen how god foreknows it, then God is fallible. If he is wrong in his knowledge and holds false beliefs, he isnt omni.
God is unconditional love and it is infinite oneness. Unconditional means unconditional God is aware and in love with life all of it. You are God in the absolute you are also a finite part of the infinite which allows God to experience itself through your eyes but of course you don’t realize that you are experiencing existence through your eyes and that you are the only one that’s ever been looking and that has been happening infinitely forever with no beginning and the end right now. The eternal now or existence is all there ever is ever was and never will be. This is from direct experience which is the only way you can ever notice asking questions or concepts or theories are all finite and can never explain the infinite. You can interview me on the shell I’ll explain this and you’ll be no closer to the answer because you can only get the answer for yourself. That’s that PS everything is made of infinite love and imagination and our perceived reality is completely imaginary. Enjoy all that :-)
Well done CTT for bringing into discussion very important issues concerning reality and truth. As for this episode; I think, first, we must recognize certain major differences between us and God. These differences, in a way, defines God with respect to our self. (1) We, as we know and observe, emerge from a “predecessor” (including a non-living one), God has no predecessor. He is God, not bound by past! (2) We die; God does not die. (3) We depend on other things, such as air, water, food, Earth, Sun, Universe, .. etc.; God does not depend on anything, He is Self-Sustaining, and Self-Sufficient. (4) We are Numerous; God is One and Unique. There is nothing similar to Him, and there is nothing which is equal (or equivalent) to Him. In a way, these four points may be considered as a short definition of what we, the believers, call it God, the Creator, and the Guardian, which by His Overwhelmingness over everything will be the Personal-God. >>>> see the next comment.
We do not die because we were never born. We, too, are outside Time and Space. Space/Time is just the screen on which the movie is played. We are not our bodies...We are actually the One, being and experiencing everything in Time and Space.
This is the right track to take. Just redefine God out of existence in the traditional superstitious sense that it's a willful Jahweh person. Is this what Nietzsche meant by God is Dead?
Ohhh it all sounds soooo good to hear about God god god......it is evolutionary brain's temporal lobe inducing religious emotions ....to have someone watch you all the time / a caring watching friend .... who is invisible , was and will never be seen ....lives in human imaginations ...... ppl formed groups 1000s of yrs ago and tried to make sense of world around them hence religion was created.
Yup, thsnds & thsnds of years gone by, and because our dim beginnings in it's entirety can most likely never be solved/realised, mankind uses & abuses some kind of god, some kind of fairh/religion...instead !😐
Awareness + Intention = Will #minimalistviewoftheessenceofaperson What is a concept ? What is evil ? Who gets to say that evil is or what it is ? What does God (in a traditional philosophical and theological sense) “think” about evil ? What do humans (homo sapien sapien) think about evil ?
I dont think Hugh stands here before God, innocent and naked; his postion seems professional and seeks out a devotion that is practical and conceivable. The great mystery of God laps at his affairs like an unfathomable ocean around the continent of daily affairs, of civilised folk.
Do religious folks empathize with me in that I think a belief in god is seriously totally strange. Do religious people think that of atheists? I think that supernatural beliefs like those of Christianity are so strange and imaginary. To me, it really and truly sounds like people playing-pretending a made up story like children do when they do religious activities. It is just so downright weird to me. I don’t mean any offense by this; I am just speaking my honest feelings. Whenever I’ve gone to church or read the Bible, there’s always been the overwhelming feeling of ridiculousness to it. It feels to me like role playing or pretending with friends, but people *ACTUALLY* believe these things? It’s just so so so strange to me that people take this seriously. I see absolutely no difference between religion and taking any random storybook and seriously believing that the story book is true. It’s like if people took the Lord Of The Rings books and based their whole lives and perception of reality on those stories. They are just stories! It seems like most people who ‘practice’ religion are really just making a focused effort to deceive themselves. It’s like they are working and using effort to deny what their senses are telling them. It’s childish imagination being taken seriously as if to be true. It’s just so incredibly weird to me, and I believe that I have a human right to not be influenced by religion if I do not want to be.
you nailed it... just open your mind and use your brain.. the thing is most christians for example do not want to know the truth.. its better to live in fantasyland.. some of us just cant except that
If God is all knowing how can he be personal or have free will. Even if you limit God's knowledge to all possibilities and no knowledge of actuals with regards to free beings and thus himself. The case would be that God is all knowing and all good, so he'd know every possible outcome and the most good option, so he would inevitably take the most good choice, which if you argue is his will, its still not personal. At the very least it runs into the problem of evil and the Euthyphro dilemma.
You are presuming that every decisions comes down to only 1 good option. What about when there is more than one good option that are equally good in their final conclusion? And theoretically, if God is all powerful, and all knowing, he would know how to turn any situation, no matter how bad it seems to us, into something with an equally good conclusion or a better conclusion than a more pleasant path with less suffering or less evil. What if a path with suffering and evil, has the most good conclusion? You could argue that the ends don't justify the means, but I don't think we can apply human ethics to God. For God, the ends could justify the means because he is the author of morality...he is morality in some sense. So the point is that God can have free will because for God it isn't a choice between what is good or bad, it is a matter of preference of how he wants to make things right and make things good because he as an infinite number of ways to do such. The concept of about knowing what is the best possible outcome is a human concept that doesn't apply to God. From God's perspect there is no one best possible outcome there are an infinite amount of perfect outcomes for him to choose from. There can be imperfect outcomes for him to prevent, but that doesn't mean that there aren't many possible equally good and equally perfect outcomes that is a matter of his preference. And that is how he can be both personal and principle. His will is always a reflection of perfect goodness but there is no reason why perfect goodness has to be a singularity. And when perfect goodness does not have to be a singularity, then theoretically God's personality could even evolve within it's perfection based on the choices it makes.
@@smilyle So you are against the notion of there being a best of all possible worlds, but for an infinite number of perfect words. I suppose without knowing what goodness actually is to God, there's no way of knowing if there can be a best of all possible worlds. But you're right that its possible that God could have more than one most good choice. But he would know every possible perfect world and every possible choice to arrive at those worlds, so how could God evolve, as you put it, when God already knows all the outcomes in totality. At what point does God pivot to one choice or another when he has all the knowledge he'll ever have at all times? I also find it hard to believe any of God's perfect choices involves a tsunami. It's funny to me how people who believe in the God revealed by Abraham are deontological. But when the problem of evil comes up God turns out to be kind of a consequencialist. Yes you can argue that whatever God does is ethical, and that tsunamis are simply preferences within God's ethics, but why would an all powerful being prefer tsunamis as a method of carrying out goodness, when he has the power to enact whatever ends he wants outright? I can't imagine God using these "good" tsunamis in heaven, it'd just be... Well, good. If you think the best an all powerful, all knowing and all good being can do is pediatric cancer, pompeii and onchocerciasis parasites then you have a strange concept of perfection. I mean you have to look at Covid-19 and all the deaths, restrictions, trashed economies, domestic abuse and suicides and think... this is truly God's work, such perfection. Bite the bullet on babies being born with HIV. Personally I can't buy that. Do you think goodness is whatever God says it is or its objective and thus God follows it?
@Jh5578 God can evolve in its experience within time by making different choices under similar circumstances than it would have in the past. They can be different perfect choices but each perfect choice would come with its own evolutionary path. Some perfect choices can be more complex or more evolved than the next similar to the way that a sphere is a perfect 3D version of a perfect 2D circle. So it's not necessarily a moral evolution but an experiential evolution
@Jh5578 The problem of evil is very formidable as an argument against a personal God that is perfectly Good. I suppose that the way most atheist would define perfect goodness is the elimination of unnecessary suffering and the elimination of injustice -- even within the animal kingdom I suppose-- where some animals will eat a newborn baby as soon as it is born...that is unjust right? God should have created a world without that level of friction is the logical conclusion of that line of thinking. I think the challenge with that type of thinking is that in order to create a world where you've eliminated unnecessary suffering is that it becomes difficult to define what is and isn't necessary suffering because to a large extent it is subject. What is suffering to one person can be pleasure to the next person. Some people naturally are good at school and can study all day and night whereas some people have attention deficit issues when they can't move around and 12 years of forced school and learning is intolerable suffering to them if they have to sit in a classroom for 6 hours a day. And then there are extremely intense pleasures people can experience that requires a certain density of nervousness tissue...so the problem now is if we have the capacity to experience intense pleasure it may not be possible to have that possibility without the potential to experience extreme pain given the hardware requirements. Perhaps in heaven people can experience FAR greater pleasures but you have to show that you are responsible enough not to cause pain ...because the sensitivity of people may be so much greater. So perhaps we can't have it both ways...where the alternative may be to feel nothing at all. Who would want that? But the main question is, where do we draw the line as far as what is unnecessary suffering universally? No natural evils or natural disasters? How do we know those are actually natural and not man made or made by malevolent aliens or super beings? That sounds silly but we have technology that can create natural disasters and that is no secret. Covid 19 is likely to be man-made. Even if it isn't, it could have been. And what if the earth is itself alive and conscious and has its own free will and is deciding to do these things itself? I don't think a mature person can seriously make an argument that what makes something good is that it feels good or that it doesn't cause any pain. Most people atheist or not would agree those or shortsighted arguments. And that gets to my final point that theoretically we could live in a world where no one suffered and everything was intensly pleasurable, and it still wouldn't mean the world was perfectly good and it could be a world that was perfectly evil. What if we lived a world where children enjoyed being molested because God made it so that no one would have to suffer from it? Would we ever learn that that is wrong? What if people had slaves and the slaves enjoyed it because they were treated with intense pleasures-- where they didn't want to leave but never knew that they couldn't leave? What if it was a world where it felt good to get chopped up to pieces and felt good to die so no one had to develop any sense of conscience? What if everything everyone did was easy and you couldn't have healthy competition or you didn't have to work for anything? Would you develop any character strengths? So you can't base the notion of a perfectly good world on the idea that it would have no suffering or no uncertainty. Also there is a difference between being all knowing and knowing everything possible. God can know everything that is possible to know and there be things that God cannot know because it's impossible to know or because it is unknowable by nature. God can be all powerful and still have things that it can't do, such as make a square circle. A circle can't be a square because it's conceptually impossible. God can't do things that are conceptually impossible. So violating free will and making everything certain may not be conceptually possible with complex life highly intelligent and creative life forms that can experience choosing between preferences
@@smilyle If God is omniscient then he already knows what every experiential choice will be. God wouldn't be shocked by any outcome because he already has full knowledge of it. God did create this just and good world as you described it, Eden and heaven. Yet Adam and Eve still fell, and so did Lucifer and the Angels. "What is suffering to one person can be pleasure to the next person" Children with cancer is pleasurable to who? Again this is God levying consequencialism when he's already made good in the first instance worlds such as Heaven and Eden. The only evil that existed there was that which resulted from free will, no "good" cancer, no "good" HIV babies. If your idea is that we need pain in contrast in order to experience pleasure, God made the hardware, he could make something other than gratuitous pain. So you're hypothesising that extreme pain can be felt in heaven? I believe the bible says humans who make it to heaven receive new bodies, it isn't hard to imagine those bodies are incapable of gratuitous suffering. But that still results in the problem of evil. God is all powerful he must have the power to create good in the first instance worlds. Childhood cancer is an easy place to draw the line at unnecessary suffering. Seriously, you're blaming tsunamis on demons and aliens?! Even if you want to go out on that ridiculous limb, God is all powerful he can stop it if he wants, how can evil prevailing in harming and killing innocence be a perfect world? (Or are you hiding behind the free will of Beelzebub and E.T.?) Technology that can create natural disasters, what nukes? Covid-19 is *not* likley to be man made. 75% of emerging diseases come from animals. All the epidemics and pandemics of the past didn't require it being cooked up in a lab. A new mutated coronavirus isn't hard to believe. Covid being man made is speculative conspiracy nonsense. With the way we factory farm animals I'm surprised it took this long for a pandemic. 🤨 Why would a planet have free will, planets aren't alive. Theists seem to hide behind free will every second they can, free will which has magical properties within itself. The more logical answer is that the God revealed by Abraham is paradoxical, and if there is a God its not like him. On the contrary utilitarianism is a very popular moral system that focuses on pleasure and pain. The best outcome is the increase in pleasure and reduction in pain. I myself am a threshold deontologist, I care about justice/fairness first but at a certain point I care more about pleasure and pain. It's a sensible system to understand that we don't like ourselves to suffer gratuitously, and we can understand that others also don't want to suffer in such a way, thus its reduction is preferable. Pleasurable things can be bad, epicurus makes the point that suffering can be dynamic e.g. being incredibly thirsty can result in the pleasure of being quenched, the experience of cold gives way to the pleasure of warmth. Similarly pleasure can be dynamic drug, gambling and sex addiction, being lazy, eating too much these initial pleasures can result in suffering. Human evil can be explained by free will, there's no need for God to make molestation pleasurable. However he allows children getting cancer, what use is that? If a slave wants to be a slave are they really a slave, what you're describing is a volunteer. Besides the bible says slavery is moral, so that's a strange example to use. You don't need to have things that damage or kill the body be pleasurable. You could simply tone down the suffering, and eliminate stuff like cancer and tsunamis. You're going too far to the other extreme. It is possible to be functional and be happy without hedonism or gratuitous suffering. Yes I'm aware of the God nerf because its the only way such a God can survive logically. However if God is an omniscient being that knows all potentials how is it possible he doesn't know all actuals? He knows a person better than they know themselves, he knows them down to the sub-atomic particles, he knows every experience they've ever had in totality, he knows every thought they could possibly think, yet somehow God can't make a perfect prediction of what they'll do next and is perplexed when a person freely chooses something. God doesn't have to violate free will to be able to influence the world, why would God's knowledge be limited beyond free will? What desire would an all powerful, all knowing being even have, God knows what it is to experience everything because of his omniscience, how doesn't that spell indifference? Unless you further nerf him. Spinoza had it right, such a description of God doesn't work. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, infinite God would be pantheistic not personal. Also what's your answer to Euthyphro?
"Pantheism: Is God All Reality?" The Mystery of the Holy Trinity is about the WHOLE EXISTENCE (both spiritual and physical) being manifested by three Godly Energies that came from ONE SOURCE. Therefore, you can say that GOD is the source of all reality. These three Godly Energies are : God the Father (Physical Universe), God the Son ( us, free souls), and God the Holy Ghost (the Creator). However, eventhough God is the source of all reality, the fact that His sons have FREE WILL as His free splits, we are now accountable for the evil that we ever choose to do, not God. Again, because we are free, our WILL now is not anymore God's WILL, so, we are all accountable for our free choices. And if you ever ask who is responsibile for the split of God into free souls, the answer would be "WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE because we were all ONE WHOLE GOD who made that decision before the split." So, Robert, you can not blame God for the evil that men chooses to do.. Now, the following explains why this Holy Trinity came to be : All alone, the Holy Spirit was never bored in His Spiritual World/Heaven..... but splitting Himself into free souls to have a free family to love, and to be loved freely, was His great achievement that has added great flavor to His existence.... ..but before He split Himself, He created the Physical Universe first, because He can not rule out the possibility that some of His prospective free splits might go astray, may lose faith in His love to leave Him to end in NOTHINGNESS (Hell).. At least, the Physical Universe can serve as a temporary Home for those who may go astray, who may fell from Heaven, and who may ask Him for a chance to return Home through regaining the faith that they lost.
How exactly, does this Holy Spirit thing interact with the natural world we inhabit? Does any part of the so-called trinity, interact with our natural world in any way? If so, exactly how does this take place? We know everything that interacts with our fundamental components - mostly quarks and electrons, and if god/son/holyghost forces, fields or particles were interacting with us, we'd know it beyond reasonable doubt - or we'd have unexplained interactions - which is not the case. So how, exactly does this holy ghost thing interact with us, or is it just an idea that is moot from a practical standpoint? By the way, I like your definition of Hell as "nothingness." The bible actually says you get eternal life or you are destroyed, consumed, burned up - you perish, you die. However you will find most Christians do not accept that definition of Hell. They want those who don't share their FEAR to burn.
GOD is making use of humans to conduct all possible Evil acts on all other creatures dwelling on this planet Earth, including innocent human beings !!!
I’ve always wanted to know one thing. If there is a god, and he’s created us with free will, why would he, if he knew that in doing so, many of us would choose to practice evil? I just can’t come up with any worthwhile reasons, and I’m as much of a thinker as you can possibly be. Is he a masochist? Does he get off on seeing someone turn to him, is he going to give special heavenly privileges to the victims of suffering and their loved ones, knowing that their loved ones might have also turned out to be perpetrators themselves, out of the suffering done to their loved ones? Doesn’t being a victim of evil distort free will? Or will this also be considered once your time has ended on this earth? I’ll tell you what, if god exists and he gives me the opportunity to answer for myself, he’ll have to answer for himself as well. He better have jaw dropping reasons for everything. Exodus 2:12, "He looked this way and that, and seeing no one, he struck down the Egyptian and hid him in the sand." Why was it ok for Moses to take a life, and not us as it’s instructed in the Ten Commandments? Did god have an epiphany and update his rules and expectations, or was Moses so special he was simply pardoned? Frankly, it’s quite ludicrous to believe any such god could exist. How could he? I’m not and never will be up for the challenge to accept he does, and that somehow, in spite of all my concerns, frustrations and misunderstandings, there are reasons as to why these things happen, and that they’re just simply beyond my comprehension, because of my pee brains ability to do so, even though it has the capacity for choosing evil, or, seeking forgiveness and worshiping a creator. That’s just nuts!
To your initial question, the simple answer from the Vedas is that free will gives us the ability to love, and (contrary to claims by the Abrahamic religions) nature allows only temporary consequences for evil choices.
@@PaulHoward108 I’m also partial to Eastern philosophies, but there’s enough destruction in them as well, be it on the battlefield of the Kurukshetra war or the destruction that takes place through the Trimurti. I think love gets thrown around too much, especially in conjunction with god. I believe it to be just another part of our species evolution for survival. Sure it’s beautiful, but there’s also the other side of it too.
Don’t equate belief in religion or religious texts, the Bible, Koran, et al, with belief in god. They have all been constructed or compiled be humans, and we all know even humans with the best intentions mess things up. On a side note, it’s scientifically proven that talking to your houseplants helps them to thrive, but lots of people laugh at or ridicule that practice. If you have a heart and mind seeking to know if there is a creator, why not just ask from your heart?
Seems to me that a Pantheism style God could very easily still have all of its own intentions and so forth, and yet still also intentionally choose to purposely not act at all to intervene here in our world, as a purposely intentional method with which to also allow for the human to have enough room on their own to completely learn enough lessons of their environment, what will result as the outcome from all of their own acts and mistakes they'd collectively be making together, as well. And who knows, maybe one lesson they'd be inadvertently learning about right now, might even be a lesson related to aspect of human beings' ego and the reality that a God might perhaps not be looking upon our existence with any particular great favor toward humanity at all, after all. And that perhaps that age old human centric egotistical styled view, could even turn out to be completely wrong.
This man answered very difficult questions that made sense. I like this video, but I saw he struggled with "why God allows evil". Let's compare human with a bullet, evil with the case, and good with the gunpowder and the destiny or purpose with the creation of paradise. Then this explains why there is evil because a bullet case is the enemy of gunpowder, but how would u get a bullet to its far destiny without this combination?
Personality, emotion, spirit -- some people have them others do not. An intuitive person utilizes the intellect so reflecting, introspecting in contemplation and experience, they are reconciled in Soul so seeking God. A person without intuition, emotion, spirit have no faculty or no likeness within themselves to resonant with what is called Spiritual. You can look at music as only music -- scientifical it's mathematically formed binary beats and patterns; sounds & vibration. Spiritually music are worlds, meanings, expressions, experiences, geometry, symmetry, symphony and light, is form and forms, emphasis, it moves, it comforts, it's alive. Some people cannot fathom God thinking it's nonsense -- they cannot fathom what's not within themselves. I see no point in arguing peoples beliefs, it is their truth. To even acknowledge God is of Soul, to recognize God is Intellect; to revere the virtues is godly, to be godly is resonance soul reflecting the image of. Of course God is, nothing can disprove God. The anthropomorphizing: we say 'he' to represent power and superiority. We say 'father' because he(God) is sustrnance and gives. We say 'personal' because the Spirit dwells within and is an intimacy of connection if you seek union. The problem with anthropomorphize: we replace God with our EGO. Which most people do. They try selling you their belief, their books, their thoughts, their religion their BS.
I do agree to the notion of this. Still, there is a deep conflict between rationalism and a higher sense which either may exist fundamentally and independently, or which is created by us humans.
@@RolandHuettmann I think fantasy is created by us humans, influenced by the material. However, anything intellectual, of mind or imagination is of Soul. Imagination is based off of image, though improper use leads to fantasy, a disciplined mind may, with the intellect, contemplate on the cosmos and what's within that which is within the forms. I dont know what rationalism is. I value light, reason, facts, logic and scriptural texts are just that: spiritual, scientific, psychological, astrological, universal. Rationalism is different upon what the being is. An emotional, intellectual person interprets knowledge and facts differently than a non emotional & intuitive person.
i dont get why so many people are concerned about the "evil" situation. assuming that god exists, there is an absolutely simple explanation. god gave us free will. there is one thing that god can not do - give us free will AND make sure that nothing bad happens - UNLESS he made us to be perfect beings - LOL. god can not be a temporal being - that does not mean he would not be able to interact in a temporal universe. but if god truly was a temporal being, you would run into the same problem of "where and when did god come from". none of us can imagine a world outside of time, but god certainly must be. when any of us try to make conclusions about god, we do so based upon what our world is like. we dont know that space, time and matter even exist outside of our universe. there would be no way for us to even think about a life without these things. like an ant thinking about calculus !!
Pantheism makes sense biblically to me within that subject of free will. We are either slaves to sin (no free will) or we are free in Christ. If freedom only exists when we have denied the separate self, then the separate self must be a lie. The truth is that Christ is contains all creation and we are that. We have freedom in Christ because unity with God and all creation is our genuine nature.
Lol giving free will to an animals and just watch it commit all bad things which possibly happen and then take it hell if it is bad according all the useless religion and why not just make a life which is heaven while alive and be dead to go into nothing forever....
" i dont get why so many people are concerned about the "evil" situation" It's only a problem if you believe God has unlimited power, total benevolence. The paradox was posed by Epicurus over 2000 years ago. You might have heard it in various forms but it goes like this: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Also if God is omnipotent and omniscient then he knows the future, so there can't be such a thing as free will, not even for his creations.
@@ManiBalajiC nothing ever goes away. It all just changes form. Even our present perceived form is a process of changing form. Beginnings and endings are arbitrary marks on an endlessly flowing process. We are that process. The kingdom of heaven is already within us. We are one with God and in this realization is our free will.
This really seams like a materialistic description of a God being. Where it would be quite difficult to rationalize something more similar to a ghost, phantasm, spirit, supernatural being... I would think everything known materialistically, including all life is subject to the absolute law of death, everything known. There may be examples of some kind of life that keeps replicating itself into a continued existence outside of the birth process, but eventually the Earth will succumb to this law as well and stop all life... regardless of elsewhere, unknown, and all the speculations. However, I would like to understand the processes that could keep all matter eternal and what would this hypothetical or unconditional force be and the purpose of this everlasting immortally of everything, if there is one, along with every minute detail of the continued consciousness and how that happens, every detail? Love is an important feeling when in balance to all the other feelings of the human being, otherwise the love it is not balanced, and in that there is not any whom have balanced or identified all of them, as well as the relationship it has to all living beings intellect. (You want to go where with what?) None of you here or elsewhere that I know of in the world have perfected this or proved of a being that has done so, as the universe is evolving to something different as I see it, meaning incompleteness of any perfection itself materialistically, let alone you yourself. Myself, evolution of a changing system to a more perfect system over unfathomable time spans seems a little more reasonable. This all, which is not really so much about you and your personal suffering and the suffering you bring about to others who are unaware of the dangers caused by imbalances of the consciousness, or just do not care to understand as much as possible about the truth of existence, or care. You have no right to preach to others until you change and perfect your own part existence of reality and any truth of existence, personally, none are even close to any perfections similar to all that has ever existed. There is no death of one to save others, show me the minute processes of how and why this is needed for a reality of truth and purpose. I do not see any other way for it to be done other than through your own mentality and of the personality to be able to understand the reality of the world along with your senses that develop the overall complexities of the mind... you have to test it, truth and its realities. The human being may never find the beginning, but there are sure to be a wealth of understanding that will help to create a more perfect being... this may happen more slowly or or not, the personal suffering you continually accept as truth will more than likely set that incompleteness of humanity in the future.
I wouldn't say God IS reality. Reality is just a contingent state of all that is around us and within our universe. Where as "God" would be a neccessary existence. "God" is in a "state"(if you wish) that is neccessary.
God is a consuming spiritual fire, He is good, He is spirit and invisible. He is the only *kind of His kind and He is the Alpha and Omega. Hebrews 12:29 “For our God is a consuming fire.” Luke 18:19 “And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.” John 4:24 King James Version 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Colossians 1:15 “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:” Numbers 23:19 King James Version 19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? Isaiah 55:8-9 King James Version 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. *Isaiah 45:5 King James Version 5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: Panentheism or pantheism? John 15:1 King James Version 15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. John 15:5 King James Version 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If you predicate truth to corporeal man i would agree with the title. But if one has an intellect they know truth is, you could say, essence of God and would not be polarized as you posit.
God anthropomorphized is literaly true because it simply makes sense and coherent in Bible. All you questioned could be simply resolved in one concept, Infinity, I assume. Tranditional so called God is timeless makes self-conflict because without time there's no changing and no motion and no order. Therefore, we should be back the biblical time definition: time is a contrast the basic measurement of order. Time is a component of Lord God who is an ultimate order. Trinity is the best understanding of LORD God.
If this is true and reality that Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, i.e. it transform into different forms whether it's mass or any other state, then Who created this constantly expanding vast source of Energy in this universe, i.e. universe is huge and constantly expanding. Human can proliferate the growth of humans just like fruits and vegetables but appropriate amount and generation of energy during that process is done by Whom? That questions need to be answered to justified the existence of might one, i.e. Who regulate this mother nature?
God is not everything. God is beyond everything. The language of the words will stop, paralysed when trying to describe God. And there was none to compare or describe the Almighty. Ta3atalat Lughata Al Kalam. Peace.
It's not your fault. The premise of god is an illogical, unfalsifiable, baseless assertion to begin with. Any "logic" applied to it is faulty or deliberately misleading.
@@con.troller4183 You have succinctly put into words why it hurts my head every time I think about belief in the type of personal god he describes. It just, makes, no, sense.
I'm not sure the video title or its description connects well with the video content, as pantheism, as a contender-concept to theism, is only mentioned, not discussed. Pantheism might refer to the universe/reality as a giant brain/mind, where all manner of life-forms and their physical environments are just the thoughts of God (e.g., Philip K. Dick's Exegesis "thinks" something like this). Or the discussion might just be about naturalism vs. theism, where existence is attributed to a hopefully eternal non-contingent cause in both perspectives (i.e., a required axiom in both). So there has to be some non-contingent-buck-stopping, and all theists and atheists ever do is argue about what stops it. Atheists say it stops at a point where NO mindful agents exist, and the nature of what exactly that point is has to be investigated via science. Whereas theists say a MIND had to be the first non-contingent ultimate cause, and I suppose the only investigation options for that view are revelatory gnosis.
Pantheism has wide scope. but difficult to comprehend.. 1. no duality [advaita].. There is no separate entity as Good or Evil.. 2.. anthropomorphism : Limitations through the humane point of view..
So many people using so many words to try and explain things they have no comprehension of. Meaningless oratorical self-indulgence. I'm going to bed. "Say goodnight Gracie"
If by "will" one mean Realitty has a defined Order, a concrete future...than you can play with the pseudo personal God but obviously you are stretching the limits of concepts to push the tameable relatable concept of God which I do not endorse.
Is god all reality? He is in the minds of those who believe in him. To those who don't god is just a delusion that is suffered by the mentally afflicted. I've observed that those who are "cured" and no longer believe in the existence of god they become obsessed with their new found atheism. Since I never believed in god for one second in my entire life atheism is as natural as drinking a glass of water. I rarely even give any of it much thought. Watching this site and what the believers have to say is not only totally unconvincing (I've never found so much as a shred of evidence that would challenge my total disbelief) but is is amusing too. They say it is not nice to make fun of the mentally challenged as we now call them but this is different. I can't help it. The devil made me do it! :-) Oops, that could be taken the wrong way. I don't believe in satan either and I am definitely not a satan worshiper or illuminati and don't believe in the occult or anything supernatural.
He's within everything as the original purpose. If you haven't seen Him, you haven't looked deeply enough. Material properties can't explain the taste of water.
@@PaulHoward108 hypothetically assuming god exists why would I want to find her? If she wants me to believe in her she knows where to find me and what she'll have to do to convince me. She knows that a man in a dress with a funny hat and a book written just after the invention of paper won't cut it. Neither will some transitory chemical reaction in my brain that after more than 73 years I've never experienced. I've trained my mind to ignore and reject irrational thoughts and sensations. Faith by definition is belief not on a rational basis. That's why it's called blind faith.
Not one shred of evidence? You are clearly talking about the fossil records that racist Charles Darwin knew had "not one shred of evidence" of slow evolutionary changes of life from a common ancestor ... but instead shows explosions of complex life & disappearance at every layer. No transition forms & precursors for the fossils ... nor over 4 billions years for all the species today. And still nothing today in the fossil record proving the evolution of life. Natural selection only causes VARIATION within a species. There is zero evidence of Abiogenesis ... and that the all life today evolved from a common ancestor 4 billion years ago. A finch is still a finch, a dog is still a dog, a whale is still a while, a moth is still a moth. Now the "deluded" evolutionists are using common embryonic development & DNA to as evidence of Darwin's racist "Survival of the fittest" manifesto. A chimp has 98% of the Human DNA .... but a cat has 90% ... a Cow has 60% .. and a banana 50%. Numbnuts, DNA is simply coding and a gene is simply a form of object orientated programming, with common algorithms shared by ...... Living machines. All Life ... are machines composed entirely of machines. A Machine is a physical function ... that requires specific matter, energy, space, time, laws of physics and .... INFORMATION ... in order to exist & to FUNCTION. All machines are UNNATURALLY made by an intelligence who must provide the required INFORMATION ... or programming. Nature & natural processes over any period of time ... can NEVER ... make or operate a simply mechanical machine like a wheel, lever, wedge, hammer, nail, screw, driver, etc. The Three accepted types of machines are mechanical, electrical and ..... molecular(Life). No evidence? GTFO with your nonsense. The Theory of Universal Functions ... is the science behind Sir Issac Newton's OBSERVATION in the 1700's that the Universe is like a Watch & requires a watchmaker to exist & to work .... Paley's Watchmaker Analogy in the 1800's ... and every Biologist today all comparing Life forms & biological processes to .... MACHINES(Functions). There is not & never will be any scientific evidence PROVING without any doubt that the Universe & Life have a NATURAL origin billions of years ago. Matter, energy, space, time and the laws of physics are all Functions. Everything in the Universe is a function. The Universe is a function composed entirely of Functions. Science is all about discovering & understand all the functions in the Universe, and how they cause natural phenomena. The Laws of Thermodynamics and the expanding Universe data ... clearly shows .... the Universe is a FINITE Isolated Thermodynamic System ... that began & is expanding in an INFINITE Open System(Surroundings) which must provide the matter, energy, space, time & laws of physics for the Universe to exist & function. And the data clearly shows Earth is at the center of the expanding Universe. But the Nature freaks ... insist the Universe is INFINITE is size so they can say any point in the Universe can APPEAR to be the center. Wrong. An Infinite Thermodynamic System ... will have infinite time & volume ... and therefore have reversible thermodynamic processes ... and have CONSTANT entropy. Our Universe only has irreversible thermodynamic processes with finite matter & energy and INCREASING entropy. No evidence? We have known about Thermodynamic Systems & surroundings and Entropy for over 150 years. And yet you fools insist the the Universe is INFINITE in size. Atheism is a religion that worships Humanism & Nature and promotes pseudo-science Christianity is a religion that OPENLY worships a God who created the Universe, nature & the laws of physics. Christianity has lead the development & spreading around the world or western civilization & values, human rights, democracy, ethics, rule of law, education and the arts & sciences. And what has Humanism, Atheism & Paganism done for Human Race? This too is evidence.
@@markfischer3626 No belief in anything? Lacking a "shred of evidence" & providing a cure for a "delusion" says otherwise. Again. Whether God is real or fiction, Christianity has had a monumental and beneficial influence on History and the development of a "civilized" World. Meanwhile Secularism, Atheism and pagan & extremist cults have been responsible for all of the horrors in the world. The evidence is clear, ... that Man being an imperfect creature with free will ... NEEDS ... some form of moral guidance and ethical standards that would bring out the good side, not the evil. You don't have to be a Theist to know murder, rape, lying, stealing, greed, gluttony, envy, racism, sexism, pedophilia, slavery, prostitution etc are .... wrong .... bad .... or EVIL. But Man by his very nature, keeps doing evil, when he does not have a dominant culture that influences his choices, to fight his darker side, and to do good. Again. It doesn't matter if God exists or not, ... the benefits of Christianity on national cultures and therefore general ethics & morals of most people, can not be denied, and should not be flagged as a "delusion" that needs a cure. If Jesus is not the Son of God, no harm done. The world has clearly benefited from Christianity. You live & die, then ... nothing. But if Jesus is the Son of God, and we all do have an eternal soul, and that God will be judging us for the sins committed, then you live, die then .... face God for what you chose to believe. There has always been evidence in some form or another .... for Mankind's NEED for a perfect , loving but just God. Because we a creatures that are capable to great & good things .... but also unspeakable horrors.
Hold up. "Traditional God" is according to the texts, still a mystery. Mother God is still a mystery in the Church, while all focus went to Jesus and Holy Ghost in a male dominated world. Jesus wasn't a Christian. He was able to see the world as what it is, not as what is seen. He was able to touch the oneness that combines life. Jesus, if I had to guess, was a mixture between Buddhism, Pantheism, and Animism. When in Rome. If God has multiple phones, and is capable of putting them anywhere throughout eternity, by your logic, God would die when the last phone(body) dies. When in reality, the C.L.I.T.(Creator of Love Intelligence and Time), just sends out more phones until the job is done. There's too much "this or that," all the while still coming from child's perspective, unable to ask for veritas. It's in those moments of humility and fearlessness we are shown #rotaercmai
Yes God is real thing as far as I am concerned. Please understand that we need to be able to read the Holy books and the Bible study it. As the last end time of the year is coming up.
Why? The bible is a collection of scripts written and narrated by humans. Such belief system should deeply be questioned. With the same itensity we could believe just in anything, any fairy tale, and people do. The sun does not turn arounď the earth, but some people still believe it.
I believe the bible holds psychological/metaphorical truths. Not historical fact. I still believe the stories, and stories in general, can be useful though.
@@dylandecesare2652 But any book can be useful. We humans are story tellers. Some have more depth, others have less. Even politics is story telling....
@@RolandHuettmann sure any book can be useful, stories are useful. This collections of stories, I would argue, has more depth and usefulness than many others. Whether its fiction or not doesnt really matter (to me anyways) because it tells metaphorical truths. This collection of stories has endured for millenia and is in many ways an archetype for all stories that came after it.
See guys talking about GOD show guys minds are sick. Nobody shows GOD as guys did. They guys are saying Nothing about GOD. They minds not show up GOD atribute honestly. Before says GOD he needs read how important are thinking honestly concern theology. Guys are lack moral Science that obscure GOD atributes.
Still waiting for a single piece of credible evidence, definitively supporting any supernatural claim, made on behalf of any god, anywhere, anytime. Let's meet this baseline requirement before we start debating the nature of this alleged being.
Christian's 'god' is the not the God of Abraham, because God of Abraham hated human blood and manslaughter rituals which was despicable abomination in OT. The God of Abraham do not share divinity with another, whereas Christian's 'god' does.
They don't discuss pantheism in this clip at all, just the personal God.
Because guys mental health hasnt authorities speak up honest concern GOD. Problem mental health guys has are knows nothing. Cinisn are murky he comments.
@@maxwellsimoes238 would you like to try that again?
@@SantamanitaClauscaria jill...jill... hey.. Joe's on Maxwell's phone again. Might wanna check I think hes on yt.
Suppose you're God. What do you ... do? Can you get bored? If so, do you "distribute" yourself into what then becomes the universe(s)? Do you slowly become aware again, as you evolve with your creations and experience ... all that is ... through it and them? Do you relish "good" and "evil" equally? Do you banish your memories at the end of things ... and start all over again?
I agree. He is experiencing himself
The old problem of the churches: How personal should a God be? If it is too personal, then everyone has their own personalised God and no longer needs a church.
If he is too impersonal, then everything can be imagined under this God, nature, the earth, the universe. Even then, there is no need for a church. So the churches seek the appropriate middle ground for maximum control over the human being.
Pantheism brings one to certainty about God which traditional theism can't do and only using 2 premises while dropping uncertainties. The 2 premises are: you exist and you are intelligent. Everything that exists must have a primary cause except the primary cause because a primary cause can not come from nothing. Both atheist and pantheist agree that our primary cause is the universe. Is there anything that created the universe? That is the uncertainty that pantheists drop. We have no evidence that anything created the universe therefore the universe itself must be the primary cause.
You are intelligent therefore your primary cause must be intelligent too at least to some extent because we know from observing existence that all intelligent things come from intelligent things. There is not a single instance in nature where an intelligent thing came from a non-intelligent unliving thing.
So all we can say with certainty is that our primary source exists and is intelligent.
There is no objective verifiable evidence that this primary source verbally communicated with anyone so all the fancy things that theologians say about God are just speculation. We call this primary source God. Is God omnicient or omnipotent? We don't know.
As you are mind and matter our primary source has mind and matter. Could you accept that you a being with mind originated from a mindless universe?
Yeah I imagine God as like an infinite energy that is the most fundamental part of reality that can create spacetime dimensions and other dimensions. Personal yeah, powerful yeah, outside everything and within everything, absolutely. Personifying him uses our imagination and God exists beyond our imagination
Why can't you have what you described, yet without the mind part?
I'd like to hear this continue, this train of thought with this man specifically. I find this topic very interesting as I identify as a pantheist myself.
Are u familiar with pandeism?
What you believe doesn't matter sadly. its What that exists that matters, and what does is a personal God that holds us accountable.
@@janenjoki7822 prove this
@@janenjoki7822 if god creates, why judge its creation? Its in charge of itself so in theory its only judging itself
@@Rex-ordos if you want the truth no matter what it is, you will find it. If not you will suppress it in the hope that others alternatives are true but in the end the truth will catch up with you and by then it will be too late to make a change. So seek Jesus now while you still can
God as an infinite being is necessarily everything, both within and beyond the human ability to comprehend. We anthromorphise the concept in order to be able to talk about it at all.
Referring to "God" as a person or with a gender reference points out to "belief" rather than "knowing". If the basis of knowledge is not an enterprise of knowing or knowledge itself but belief, then we start running into problems on the philosophical and logical levels and obviously beyond.
Faith is simply a firm "belief" in something or someone is true & real ... with or without evidence(knowledge) to support the belief.
There is no problem here. Christianity is a religion that clearly "believes" in a personal God ... with or without evidence. God either exist or he doesn't. Move on.
The real problem is the sciences being dominated by various cults of Atheism, Humanism and naturalism and controlling and manipulating the flow of knowledge to ordinary people ... who may be considering a belief in God. And because most are educated and have a great respect for the sciences & technology ... one's Faith commonly be derived from actual evidence.
The laws of Thermodynamics & the expanding Universe data clearly shows the Universe is a ... FINITE Isolated Thermodynamic System that began & is expanding in ... an INFINITE Open system (Surroundings) that must provide the matter, energy, space, time & Laws of physics for the Universe. The Data clearly shows Earth is at the center of the expanding Universe. But most in the sciences believe the Universe has a NATURAL origin 14 billion years ago, even though there is no evidence of this, ... and all claim the Universe is INFINITE in size which means any point in the Universe can APPEAR to be the center. See the problem? Look at the increase in Evolution Theists ... who do not believe in a 6 day Creation ... but a Creation over billions of years.
We know Christianity is a religion.
Most don't realize Humanism & Atheism is also religions and use pseudo science to disguise their "religious" beliefs.
@@abelincoln8885 What you said reminds me of Eric Dubay and what he believes to be true. Which is that the earth is FLAT and not a globe. I don't know whether he is right or wrong. But his RUclips channel certainly is interesting. There definitely is a God - A sentient intelligence that is the source of all that exists. Not just the source of all that exists but everything that exists is IT.
It makes sense to me that the universe is not infinite, but I am sure that all of reality is infinite in size because God is infinite in size. And everything that exists is God. Universes are born and universes die. They expand and then when the energies driving their expansion dissipate they will contract and implode. It is a cycle. We souls/spirits never die. We live forever. It's all designed and manifested by the non-individuated ultimate reality called God.
We are microcosmic expressions of this macrocosmic intelligence. Hence made in the image and likeness of God. The ego is not made in the image and likeness though. That's just a tool we use to experience separation so that we can then eventually experience The Unified Self, The Oneness, Samadhi, the Big Self, the non-local Self, God, The One Soul, The Spirit. Many names for the one presence and power expressing Itself as everything that exists.
@@brianlittrell797 What I have said is consistent with SCIENCE ... & ... scripture. There is nothing in the Bible saying the Earth is flat, and the sun, moon and stars rotate around the Earth.
The Laws of Thermodynamics & the expanding Universe data .... clearly supports God creating the Heaven & the Earth.
But the Theory of Universal Functions predates Theories of a Natural Origins by 150 years, but Newton didn't make the only logical H7pothesis for the Observation that the Universe is like a Watch/Machine/Function.
And only the Bible identifies God as the Unnatural intelligence that made the Universe & Earth Functions.
@@abelincoln8885 I'm open minded either way with regards to whether the earth is flat or not. It doesn't matter to much to me one way or the other. With time we all find out everything we want to know anyway. Both the small stuff and the large stuff. What do you mean by Heaven?
I agree that God created everything. That is why It's called God. ( : I like the way you express yourself by the way. Very unusual style and expression.
You should read the Conversation with God books by Neale Donald Walsch. They are an awesome read. Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramanhansa Yogananda is also awesome.
Even with my intuition nowhere near as developed as I'd like it to be I could strongly intuitively sense that Neale Donald Walsch's books are God communicating to him quite clearly, accurately and precisely the secrets of life.
No one seems to notice that the only place we find so called God is in the febrile brains of mankind. It's a lovely notion but it's simply pure fantasy.
God is subconscious free will
(1:00) *RLK: **_"Why have so many philosophers, for example, moved away from that towards images of God, descriptions of God, that are non-personal?"_* ... There are many reasons, but the *#1 reason* is because there isn't a single person who hasn't experienced something so horrible during their lifetime that nobody should ever have to endure. The unimaginable levels of suffering present in human society does not correlate with an all-knowing, all-loving, omnipotent entity.
At the same time, there is a spectacular level of beauty, structure, and compassion present within the universe that compels us to consider that something wonderful must surely be at the helm of existence.
The truth is that there is no God (as defined by religion), but it is easy to confuse what religion calls "God" with what is actually at the helm of existence. What IS in control of existence is present and active in every single human who has ever existed. Humanity has simply chosen _not_ to "connect the dots."
Most people cause unimaginable suffering by exploiting other living beings for personal sense gratification, so I wonder why you think people are obtaining suffering we haven't earned.
@@PaulHoward108 *"Most people cause unimaginable suffering by exploiting other living beings for personal sense gratification, so I wonder why you think people are obtaining suffering we haven't earned."*
... What child has ever "earned" being abducted, tortured, and violently assaulted?
My argument isn't that human suffering shouldn't be a part of our existence. My argument is that you cannot have human suffering combined with an omnipotent God and have it all remain logical. That would be like having "flawed-perfection" which is a self-conflicting term.
I know that you believe in God, and it is not my intent to challenge or marginalize your faith. I am presenting a new understanding of "Existence" in my book that better explains human suffering and why things happen as they do without involving a metaphysical being.
You would be surprised on how this plays out.
If I cannot find my self but only thoughts, AND if I do not persist through time;
I have no need of self,
only an ability to contemplate on the thoughts themselves.
I don't see how we humans could be "in it up to our necks" in the evils of earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, plagues etc.
What would be better, removing all evil from the world or having people face the evils of the world voluntarily and become brave? Maybe it is remove all evil, but that doesnt seem to be possible in this world. There would be no good without evil and vice versa.
"Unusual form of interaction" is exactly what it is. As for theodicy: God makes evil despite not liking it because it is necessary. You can't be all powerful without actually doing all things. The existence of time is evidence that God regrets that necessity and is engaged in the greater good of creating an ever increasing preponderance of good.
"Is God All Reality?"
God is a fantasy concept. We can do with it what we want. If we decide that we will call All Reality God, then God is All Reality.
Personally I already have a word for Reality, which is "Reality".
"Reality" depends on individual definition.
To many scientists, especially physicists, the likelihood of known gods existing is little or none. But because we do not know too many things about reality, we should not conclude a yet UnKnown God or Trancendent being does not exist in unimaginable ways. So a true scientist today, given atheists and theists both cannot prove what they believe is true, then he should be Agnostic at least for now.
Another problem clouding this topic is the fact that language which is an art is being used as humans sole way of communicating or explaining reality. This means everyone can have his own definition of Reality. Flaw or imperfection or flexibility of Language helps cults and charlatans to weasel their way out during a debate.
Visible the Mirror this is Good or a Part from him .
He made his self and he find his Self in all Life form in the Universe.
I belive this idea is not so Bad.
In the First time was there the Aktion and the Reaktion the Sense the Order and the Chaos this made the Move and this Call we Room Time.
I belive on the Other Side can not Exist or it is a Mysteriös Place for us.
The Order is very Important for the Universe and this is Nothing without the Sense.
The Kosmotheismus is the Next best Idea and this two find I self not so bad .
This made Sense and the most from the Bibel or the Koran and so far can we good Put on this Ideas.
We can not do with him or the World waht we want ,he made his way with us or without us .
The greatest man in all of "Reality" is a Jew called Yeshua ... whose life, death & resurrection ... was foretold in the Hebrew Bible written 500 - 1400 earlier.
In the first book of the Hebrew Bible, it clearly explains Man was made in Gd's image and was perfect ... but disobeyed God ... and brought sin, death & judgement to all mankind. But it also revealed God is a Father, Son & Spirit ... and ... will send his only begotten Son to be a sin sacrifice to save eternal souls of anybody who BELIEVES.
Hebrew Bible written 500 -1400 years before the birth of Jesus Christ on 1 Nisan 6 BC in Bethlehem ... foretold the Jews rejecting God's Messiah(Son) and being cursed by God, until they repent their sinss and embrace the Messiah(Son of God). It even predicted in the Book of Jonah that the Messiah(Son of God) will die 40 years before the Temple is destroyed because the Jews of Jerusalem ignored God's warning to repent.
The New Testament was written 1900 years ago, as says the Jews will eventually embrace jesus as Lord & Savior, .... before Jesus returns to rule for 1000 years & then will come Judgement day. But after man has ruled the Earth for 6 x 1000 years.
The Jews still reject jesus as the Messiah, and with the State of Israel, believe they are living in end times when their promised Messiah will come to save them. The Jewish Year since Creation is ...... 5782. Whether you like it or not, this is clear evidence ... the God is real.
Christianity is responsible for the development & spreading of western civilization & values, human rights, democracy, eithics, law, the arts & sciences, and education.
Missionaries where sent around the world to share the Good News .. and teach people to read the Bible for themselves and BELIEVE ... or not.
Again. Life, death & resurrection of Jesus Christ in the Hebrew Bible written 500-1400 years earlier. The Jews repenting their sin, ending God's curse & accepted Jesus as the Messiah in the New Testament written 1900 years ago. Man will rule for 6000 years ... and then God will reign for 1000 years.
If God does not exist, there is no harm done. You live, you die and then whatever.
But if Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son sent to be a sin sacrifice to save the eternal souls of anybody who believes from God's just nature .... then you will lose everything.
This was very interesting to watch. Thank you Jesus. I will continue walking in faith. I lost my job as a social worker for declining the vaccine. This is my testimony. I declined due to my pre existing health conditions lupus and heart disease. I’m a single mother. I have been struggling to provide for my two autistic children. I feel so alone I find it difficult at times. I have been called horrible names even had death threats over my decision to decline the vaccine. It’s so heart breaking. A kind stranger has helped me that is the only reason why I still have my home I’m so thankful. Even though I’m struggling I will continue to have faith in God!
Having faith on a entity who haven't shown you a decent mercy to have a good life or to your children doesn't make it worth the faith.. And if you ever read about the level of bad things from even a 1 year old baby used in prostitution, it doesn't add anyway to make sense.
@@ManiBalajiC You are totally unaware of the very basics of belief. So, what you are preaching here!
@@MQartGallery he is saying because people do terrible abhorrent things that God doesn't weep.
Lchaim from Jacova born March 11th in a Bethlehem. Get the shots and listen to your physician. God nor Yeshua of Nazareth are divorced from Science or reality. You will be fine. Trust that God has imbued people with wisdom for a reason.
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God doesn't weep.
God created people. God know the future. God know everything Beforehand. God know what all humans will do in advance. God created hell and paradise. They are already there. People who do terrible abhorrent things will be thrown in hell and keep burning there forever. They will wish they die every moment in hell. But Death is no more.
In this earthly life, people do have indeed free well. If they abuse this freedom, they only have this short earthly life to repent , otherwise they are sent to hell when they die, forever.
On the contrary, in Paradise, people who did not abuse their God given freedom of will, believed in God "Allah", will be rewarded at the very first moment they are let in paradise, by selectively wiping off their memory of any misery they suffered during their short earthly life. And this is just the beginning of an eternal life in paradise .
Paradise is beyond human imagination of extremely good life. No bad people are allowed. No death. No bad events. No disease or illness. No sadness. life in paradise keeps getting better every moment forever.
Paradise is ultimate in beauty . If you get your loved ones to believe in God (Allah), as the unique sole creator of everything, who is unlike anything in creation, who has no partners , no children, no beginning or end, absolutely beautiful, powerful, merciful, just,
then your loved ones are there for you for ever. There is no aging in paradise, you are 30 years of age. at the best state of health and beauty, forever. Paradise is much much bigger than our earthy universe.There is lot more to know.their
Just understand that this earthy life is Not your real life. It just a test for humans so that each and everyone of them will know why his eternal destiny was decided and on what grounds. Well, Its people's deeds and intentions, since they have free will, that will lead them, individually, either to eternal life, the real life, in hell, or the non ending happiness life forever in paradise.
None of this came from my own personal ideas or thoughts. This is what 2 billion Muslims believe, and told by Allah in his real, undistorted words of God. Nobody succeeded, or will ever do in distorting the Quran, Allah last message to All humans up to judgment day.
Here is a link to the most rusted electronic copy of it, in Arabic accompanied by English explanations of the Arabic verses:
quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?ui=1&l=en#aya=1_1&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh
Technically, Pantheism is not any kind of "theism".
Draw comfort from the fact you can never understand The Physics of God, but I’m happily understanding the realities of Life.
I'm a pantheist pantheism has helped me out no end.❤
No not at all, pantheism is misunderstood concept about God Almighty.
God isn't in anything or everything, God is a totally separate identity out of all dimensions we know & don't know...
God isn't bounded in any dimension like mass, space, time, energy or any other dimension ...
Proof of God is creations around us and more precisely whoever started the first activity of our universe or other universes in their realm
"Proof of God is creations around us "
Sorry but existence only proves that things exist. It is not evidence of supernatural beings.
The surfer who spends all day contemplating the meaning of the wave never knows what it means to ride the wave.
Our problem with God is our perception is corrupt because some religions have warped and twisted our perception for their own power and greed.
The only way the problem of evil can be answered is that God believes free will is the ultimate good he can bestow upon living creatures and that no evil done of free will can outweigh it.
Abrahamic traditions are fairly new as far as the conceptualization of “God” is concerned
Has God necessarily put limits on God to accommodate our free will?
Lol it all makes no sense
@@dustinellerbe4125 What happens when our free will conflicts with God"s?
@@chyfields I personally don't believe in a God, but if an omni god did exist, then there is no such thing as free will for humans or God. We would both be determined due to divine foreknowledge and God's inability to be fallible or hold false beliefs. God would foreknow all, therefore, nothing could happen that God didnt already know. If it doesn't happen how god foreknows it, then God is fallible. If he is wrong in his knowledge and holds false beliefs, he isnt omni.
The great God that can't even bother to let us know its exact nature.
God is unconditional love and it is infinite oneness. Unconditional means unconditional God is aware and in love with life all of it. You are God in the absolute you are also a finite part of the infinite which allows God to experience itself through your eyes but of course you don’t realize that you are experiencing existence through your eyes and that you are the only one that’s ever been looking and that has been happening infinitely forever with no beginning and the end right now. The eternal now or existence is all there ever is ever was and never will be. This is from direct experience which is the only way you can ever notice asking questions or concepts or theories are all finite and can never explain the infinite. You can interview me on the shell I’ll explain this and you’ll be no closer to the answer because you can only get the answer for yourself. That’s that PS everything is made of infinite love and imagination and our perceived reality is completely imaginary. Enjoy all that :-)
Well done CTT for bringing into discussion very important issues concerning reality and truth. As for this episode; I think, first, we must recognize certain major differences between us and God. These differences, in a way, defines God with respect to our self. (1) We, as we know and observe, emerge from a “predecessor” (including a non-living one), God has no predecessor. He is God, not bound by past! (2) We die; God does not die. (3) We depend on other things, such as air, water, food, Earth, Sun, Universe, .. etc.; God does not depend on anything, He is Self-Sustaining, and Self-Sufficient. (4) We are Numerous; God is One and Unique. There is nothing similar to Him, and there is nothing which is equal (or equivalent) to Him.
In a way, these four points may be considered as a short definition of what we, the believers, call it God, the Creator, and the Guardian, which by His Overwhelmingness over everything will be the Personal-God. >>>> see the next comment.
So, your god is just a case of special pleading? That's all I've taken away from this post.
We do not die because we were never born. We, too, are outside Time and Space. Space/Time is just the screen on which the movie is played.
We are not our bodies...We are actually the One, being and experiencing everything in Time and Space.
@@glenemma1 amen. U say the truth
@@glenemma1 u r speakingg fucking factss matee. Where u from ? 👍👍💯
@@alexbob5057 Australia.
Love God
ALL THERE IS IS CONSCIOUSNESS...
I would like to see an interview with professor Umberto Gallimberti. He talks a lot about God and youth.
This is the right track to take. Just redefine God out of existence in the traditional superstitious sense that it's a willful Jahweh person. Is this what Nietzsche meant by God is Dead?
Ohhh it all sounds soooo good to hear about God god god......it is evolutionary brain's temporal lobe inducing religious emotions ....to have someone watch you all the time / a caring watching friend ....
who is invisible , was and will never be seen ....lives in human imaginations ......
ppl formed groups 1000s of yrs ago and tried to make sense of world around them hence religion was created.
Yup, thsnds & thsnds of years gone by, and because our dim beginnings in it's entirety can most likely never be solved/realised, mankind uses & abuses some kind of god, some kind of fairh/religion...instead !😐
All is God's energy, both personal and impersonal, but worshiping God's personal or impersonal energies doesn't mean worshiping God.
Awareness + Intention = Will
#minimalistviewoftheessenceofaperson
What is a concept ?
What is evil ?
Who gets to say that evil is or what it is ?
What does God (in a traditional philosophical and theological sense) “think” about evil ?
What do humans (homo sapien sapien) think about evil ?
As intelligent beings we can use our inhereited power to do either good or evil... the choice is ours to make...
Except for the mental illnesses cases
@@kuroryudairyu4567 there's a clinic or hospital for these exceptions where the patients can be treated accordingly, I guess...
@@r2c3 yes but they could commit evil without even knowing what they are doing
@@kuroryudairyu4567 there's many more things to learn about other people, that's all I can say...
@@r2c3 I agree
Reality extends beyond the world.
But maybe not human beings lust for power.
And so i see why this is posed in the way it is.
I dont think Hugh stands here before God, innocent and naked; his postion seems professional and seeks out a devotion that is practical and conceivable. The great mystery of God laps at his affairs like an unfathomable ocean around the continent of daily affairs, of civilised folk.
Do religious folks empathize with me in that I think a belief in god is seriously totally strange. Do religious people think that of atheists? I think that supernatural beliefs like those of Christianity are so strange and imaginary. To me, it really and truly sounds like people playing-pretending a made up story like children do when they do religious activities. It is just so downright weird to me.
I don’t mean any offense by this; I am just speaking my honest feelings. Whenever I’ve gone to church or read the Bible, there’s always been the overwhelming feeling of ridiculousness to it. It feels to me like role playing or pretending with friends, but people *ACTUALLY* believe these things? It’s just so so so strange to me that people take this seriously.
I see absolutely no difference between religion and taking any random storybook and seriously believing that the story book is true. It’s like if people took the Lord Of The Rings books and based their whole lives and perception of reality on those stories. They are just stories!
It seems like most people who ‘practice’ religion are really just making a focused effort to deceive themselves. It’s like they are working and using effort to deny what their senses are telling them. It’s childish imagination being taken seriously as if to be true. It’s just so incredibly weird to me, and I believe that I have a human right to not be influenced by religion if I do not want to be.
you nailed it... just open your mind and use your brain.. the thing is
most christians for example do not want to know the truth.. its better
to live in fantasyland.. some of us just cant except that
Yes
Pantheism isn't a branch of christianity, there are christians that have a pantheist view of their god, but generally speaking, we aren't christians.
YES!
If God is all knowing how can he be personal or have free will. Even if you limit God's knowledge to all possibilities and no knowledge of actuals with regards to free beings and thus himself. The case would be that God is all knowing and all good, so he'd know every possible outcome and the most good option, so he would inevitably take the most good choice, which if you argue is his will, its still not personal. At the very least it runs into the problem of evil and the Euthyphro dilemma.
You are presuming that every decisions comes down to only 1 good option. What about when there is more than one good option that are equally good in their final conclusion? And theoretically, if God is all powerful, and all knowing, he would know how to turn any situation, no matter how bad it seems to us, into something with an equally good conclusion or a better conclusion than a more pleasant path with less suffering or less evil. What if a path with suffering and evil, has the most good conclusion? You could argue that the ends don't justify the means, but I don't think we can apply human ethics to God. For God, the ends could justify the means because he is the author of morality...he is morality in some sense. So the point is that God can have free will because for God it isn't a choice between what is good or bad, it is a matter of preference of how he wants to make things right and make things good because he as an infinite number of ways to do such. The concept of about knowing what is the best possible outcome is a human concept that doesn't apply to God. From God's perspect there is no one best possible outcome there are an infinite amount of perfect outcomes for him to choose from. There can be imperfect outcomes for him to prevent, but that doesn't mean that there aren't many possible equally good and equally perfect outcomes that is a matter of his preference. And that is how he can be both personal and principle. His will is always a reflection of perfect goodness but there is no reason why perfect goodness has to be a singularity. And when perfect goodness does not have to be a singularity, then theoretically God's personality could even evolve within it's perfection based on the choices it makes.
@@smilyle So you are against the notion of there being a best of all possible worlds, but for an infinite number of perfect words. I suppose without knowing what goodness actually is to God, there's no way of knowing if there can be a best of all possible worlds.
But you're right that its possible that God could have more than one most good choice. But he would know every possible perfect world and every possible choice to arrive at those worlds, so how could God evolve, as you put it, when God already knows all the outcomes in totality. At what point does God pivot to one choice or another when he has all the knowledge he'll ever have at all times?
I also find it hard to believe any of God's perfect choices involves a tsunami.
It's funny to me how people who believe in the God revealed by Abraham are deontological. But when the problem of evil comes up God turns out to be kind of a consequencialist. Yes you can argue that whatever God does is ethical, and that tsunamis are simply preferences within God's ethics, but why would an all powerful being prefer tsunamis as a method of carrying out goodness, when he has the power to enact whatever ends he wants outright? I can't imagine God using these "good" tsunamis in heaven, it'd just be... Well, good.
If you think the best an all powerful, all knowing and all good being can do is pediatric cancer, pompeii and onchocerciasis parasites then you have a strange concept of perfection. I mean you have to look at Covid-19 and all the deaths, restrictions, trashed economies, domestic abuse and suicides and think... this is truly God's work, such perfection. Bite the bullet on babies being born with HIV. Personally I can't buy that.
Do you think goodness is whatever God says it is or its objective and thus God follows it?
@Jh5578 God can evolve in its experience within time by making different choices under similar circumstances than it would have in the past. They can be different perfect choices but each perfect choice would come with its own evolutionary path. Some perfect choices can be more complex or more evolved than the next similar to the way that a sphere is a perfect 3D version of a perfect 2D circle. So it's not necessarily a moral evolution but an experiential evolution
@Jh5578 The problem of evil is very formidable as an argument against a personal God that is perfectly Good. I suppose that the way most atheist would define perfect goodness is the elimination of unnecessary suffering and the elimination of injustice -- even within the animal kingdom I suppose-- where some animals will eat a newborn baby as soon as it is born...that is unjust right? God should have created a world without that level of friction is the logical conclusion of that line of thinking. I think the challenge with that type of thinking is that in order to create a world where you've eliminated unnecessary suffering is that it becomes difficult to define what is and isn't necessary suffering because to a large extent it is subject. What is suffering to one person can be pleasure to the next person. Some people naturally are good at school and can study all day and night whereas some people have attention deficit issues when they can't move around and 12 years of forced school and learning is intolerable suffering to them if they have to sit in a classroom for 6 hours a day. And then there are extremely intense pleasures people can experience that requires a certain density of nervousness tissue...so the problem now is if we have the capacity to experience intense pleasure it may not be possible to have that possibility without the potential to experience extreme pain given the hardware requirements. Perhaps in heaven people can experience FAR greater pleasures but you have to show that you are responsible enough not to cause pain ...because the sensitivity of people may be so much greater. So perhaps we can't have it both ways...where the alternative may be to feel nothing at all. Who would want that? But the main question is, where do we draw the line as far as what is unnecessary suffering universally? No natural evils or natural disasters? How do we know those are actually natural and not man made or made by malevolent aliens or super beings? That sounds silly but we have technology that can create natural disasters and that is no secret. Covid 19 is likely to be man-made. Even if it isn't, it could have been. And what if the earth is itself alive and conscious and has its own free will and is deciding to do these things itself?
I don't think a mature person can seriously make an argument that what makes something good is that it feels good or that it doesn't cause any pain. Most people atheist or not would agree those or shortsighted arguments.
And that gets to my final point that theoretically we could live in a world where no one suffered and everything was intensly pleasurable, and it still wouldn't mean the world was perfectly good and it could be a world that was perfectly evil. What if we lived a world where children enjoyed being molested because God made it so that no one would have to suffer from it? Would we ever learn that that is wrong? What if people had slaves and the slaves enjoyed it because they were treated with intense pleasures-- where they didn't want to leave but never knew that they couldn't leave? What if it was a world where it felt good to get chopped up to pieces and felt good to die so no one had to develop any sense of conscience? What if everything everyone did was easy and you couldn't have healthy competition or you didn't have to work for anything? Would you develop any character strengths?
So you can't base the notion of a perfectly good world on the idea that it would have no suffering or no uncertainty.
Also there is a difference between being all knowing and knowing everything possible. God can know everything that is possible to know and there be things that God cannot know because it's impossible to know or because it is unknowable by nature. God can be all powerful and still have things that it can't do, such as make a square circle. A circle can't be a square because it's conceptually impossible. God can't do things that are conceptually impossible. So violating free will and making everything certain may not be conceptually possible with complex life highly intelligent and creative life forms that can experience choosing between preferences
@@smilyle If God is omniscient then he already knows what every experiential choice will be. God wouldn't be shocked by any outcome because he already has full knowledge of it.
God did create this just and good world as you described it, Eden and heaven. Yet Adam and Eve still fell, and so did Lucifer and the Angels.
"What is suffering to one person can be pleasure to the next person" Children with cancer is pleasurable to who?
Again this is God levying consequencialism when he's already made good in the first instance worlds such as Heaven and Eden. The only evil that existed there was that which resulted from free will, no "good" cancer, no "good" HIV babies.
If your idea is that we need pain in contrast in order to experience pleasure, God made the hardware, he could make something other than gratuitous pain.
So you're hypothesising that extreme pain can be felt in heaven? I believe the bible says humans who make it to heaven receive new bodies, it isn't hard to imagine those bodies are incapable of gratuitous suffering. But that still results in the problem of evil. God is all powerful he must have the power to create good in the first instance worlds.
Childhood cancer is an easy place to draw the line at unnecessary suffering. Seriously, you're blaming tsunamis on demons and aliens?! Even if you want to go out on that ridiculous limb, God is all powerful he can stop it if he wants, how can evil prevailing in harming and killing innocence be a perfect world? (Or are you hiding behind the free will of Beelzebub and E.T.?)
Technology that can create natural disasters, what nukes?
Covid-19 is *not* likley to be man made. 75% of emerging diseases come from animals. All the epidemics and pandemics of the past didn't require it being cooked up in a lab. A new mutated coronavirus isn't hard to believe. Covid being man made is speculative conspiracy nonsense. With the way we factory farm animals I'm surprised it took this long for a pandemic.
🤨 Why would a planet have free will, planets aren't alive. Theists seem to hide behind free will every second they can, free will which has magical properties within itself. The more logical answer is that the God revealed by Abraham is paradoxical, and if there is a God its not like him.
On the contrary utilitarianism is a very popular moral system that focuses on pleasure and pain. The best outcome is the increase in pleasure and reduction in pain. I myself am a threshold deontologist, I care about justice/fairness first but at a certain point I care more about pleasure and pain. It's a sensible system to understand that we don't like ourselves to suffer gratuitously, and we can understand that others also don't want to suffer in such a way, thus its reduction is preferable.
Pleasurable things can be bad, epicurus makes the point that suffering can be dynamic e.g. being incredibly thirsty can result in the pleasure of being quenched, the experience of cold gives way to the pleasure of warmth. Similarly pleasure can be dynamic drug, gambling and sex addiction, being lazy, eating too much these initial pleasures can result in suffering.
Human evil can be explained by free will, there's no need for God to make molestation pleasurable. However he allows children getting cancer, what use is that?
If a slave wants to be a slave are they really a slave, what you're describing is a volunteer. Besides the bible says slavery is moral, so that's a strange example to use.
You don't need to have things that damage or kill the body be pleasurable. You could simply tone down the suffering, and eliminate stuff like cancer and tsunamis. You're going too far to the other extreme. It is possible to be functional and be happy without hedonism or gratuitous suffering.
Yes I'm aware of the God nerf because its the only way such a God can survive logically. However if God is an omniscient being that knows all potentials how is it possible he doesn't know all actuals? He knows a person better than they know themselves, he knows them down to the sub-atomic particles, he knows every experience they've ever had in totality, he knows every thought they could possibly think, yet somehow God can't make a perfect prediction of what they'll do next and is perplexed when a person freely chooses something.
God doesn't have to violate free will to be able to influence the world, why would God's knowledge be limited beyond free will?
What desire would an all powerful, all knowing being even have, God knows what it is to experience everything because of his omniscience, how doesn't that spell indifference? Unless you further nerf him.
Spinoza had it right, such a description of God doesn't work. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, infinite God would be pantheistic not personal.
Also what's your answer to Euthyphro?
"Pantheism: Is God All Reality?"
The Mystery of the Holy Trinity is about the WHOLE EXISTENCE (both spiritual and physical) being manifested by three Godly Energies that came from ONE SOURCE. Therefore, you can say that GOD is the source of all reality.
These three Godly Energies are : God the Father (Physical Universe), God the Son ( us, free souls), and God the Holy Ghost (the Creator).
However, eventhough God is the source of all reality, the fact that His sons have FREE WILL as His free splits, we are now accountable for the evil that we ever choose to do, not God. Again, because we are free, our WILL now is not anymore God's WILL, so, we are all accountable for our free choices.
And if you ever ask who is responsibile for the split of God into free souls, the answer would be "WE ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE because we were all ONE WHOLE GOD who made that decision before the split."
So, Robert, you can not blame God for the evil that men chooses to do..
Now, the following explains why this Holy Trinity came to be :
All alone, the Holy Spirit was never bored in His Spiritual World/Heaven..... but splitting Himself into free souls to have a free family to love, and to be loved freely, was His great achievement that has added great flavor to His existence....
..but before He split Himself, He created the Physical Universe first, because He can not rule out the possibility that some of His prospective free splits might go astray, may lose faith in His love to leave Him to end in NOTHINGNESS (Hell)..
At least, the Physical Universe can serve as a temporary Home for those who may go astray, who may fell from Heaven, and who may ask Him for a chance to return Home through regaining the faith that they lost.
How exactly, does this Holy Spirit thing interact with the natural world we inhabit? Does any part of the so-called trinity, interact with our natural world in any way? If so, exactly how does this take place? We know everything that interacts with our fundamental components - mostly quarks and electrons, and if god/son/holyghost forces, fields or particles were interacting with us, we'd know it beyond reasonable doubt - or we'd have unexplained interactions - which is not the case. So how, exactly does this holy ghost thing interact with us, or is it just an idea that is moot from a practical standpoint?
By the way, I like your definition of Hell as "nothingness." The bible actually says you get eternal life or you are destroyed, consumed, burned up - you perish, you die. However you will find most Christians do not accept that definition of Hell. They want those who don't share their FEAR to burn.
Interesting fairytale
Most theologians that i hear have NOT moved from a personal God.
You should interview people like Ruper Spira it you would like to have an interesting interview about being, consciousness or God
GOD is making use of humans to conduct all possible Evil acts on all other creatures dwelling on this planet Earth, including innocent human beings !!!
You mean, god is a psychopath?)
@@RolandHuettmann Yahweh is a psychopath. Thankfully he's just a perverse character in a third-rate fiction.
He was "jealous"; He sanctioned genocide; His law demanded stoning of adulterers; etc
I’ve always wanted to know one thing. If there is a god, and he’s created us with free will, why would he, if he knew that in doing so, many of us would choose to practice evil?
I just can’t come up with any worthwhile reasons, and I’m as much of a thinker as you can possibly be. Is he a masochist? Does he get off on seeing someone turn to him, is he going to give special heavenly privileges to the victims of suffering and their loved ones, knowing that their loved ones might have also turned out to be perpetrators themselves, out of the suffering done to their loved ones?
Doesn’t being a victim of evil distort free will? Or will this also be considered once your time has ended on this earth? I’ll tell you what, if god exists and he gives me the opportunity to answer for myself, he’ll have to answer for himself as well. He better have jaw dropping reasons for everything.
Exodus 2:12, "He looked this way and that, and seeing no one, he struck down the Egyptian and hid him in the sand."
Why was it ok for Moses to take a life, and not us as it’s instructed in the Ten Commandments? Did god have an epiphany and update his rules and expectations, or was Moses so special he was simply pardoned?
Frankly, it’s quite ludicrous to believe any such god could exist. How could he? I’m not and never will be up for the challenge to accept he does, and that somehow, in spite of all my concerns, frustrations and misunderstandings, there are reasons as to why these things happen, and that they’re just simply beyond my comprehension, because of my pee brains ability to do so, even though it has the capacity for choosing evil, or, seeking forgiveness and worshiping a creator.
That’s just nuts!
To your initial question, the simple answer from the Vedas is that free will gives us the ability to love, and (contrary to claims by the Abrahamic religions) nature allows only temporary consequences for evil choices.
You're jaw will drop yea. You'll be in heaven
@@PaulHoward108 I’m also partial to Eastern philosophies, but there’s enough destruction in them as well, be it on the battlefield of the Kurukshetra war or the destruction that takes place through the Trimurti. I think love gets thrown around too much, especially in conjunction with god. I believe it to be just another part of our species evolution for survival. Sure it’s beautiful, but there’s also the other side of it too.
Don’t equate belief in religion or religious texts, the Bible, Koran, et al, with belief in god. They have all been constructed or compiled be humans, and we all know even humans with the best intentions mess things up. On a side note, it’s scientifically proven that talking to your houseplants helps them to thrive, but lots of people laugh at or ridicule that practice. If you have a heart and mind seeking to know if there is a creator, why not just ask from your heart?
@@ggstylz, Reality would be incomplete without destruction, but perfection is in the fact that only imperfect things get destroyed.
Seems to me that a Pantheism style God could very easily still have all of its own intentions and so forth, and yet still also intentionally choose to purposely not act at all to intervene here in our world, as a purposely intentional method with which to also allow for the human to have enough room on their own to completely learn enough lessons of their environment, what will result as the outcome from all of their own acts and mistakes they'd collectively be making together, as well. And who knows, maybe one lesson they'd be inadvertently learning about right now, might even be a lesson related to aspect of human beings' ego and the reality that a God might perhaps not be looking upon our existence with any particular great favor toward humanity at all, after all. And that perhaps that age old human centric egotistical styled view, could even turn out to be completely wrong.
This man answered very difficult questions that made sense. I like this video, but I saw he struggled with "why God allows evil". Let's compare human with a bullet, evil with the case, and good with the gunpowder and the destiny or purpose with the creation of paradise. Then this explains why there is evil because a bullet case is the enemy of gunpowder, but how would u get a bullet to its far destiny without this combination?
If you believe in an evil God do you have a problem of good?
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Personality, emotion, spirit -- some people have them others do not.
An intuitive person utilizes the intellect so reflecting, introspecting in contemplation and experience, they are reconciled in Soul so seeking God.
A person without intuition, emotion, spirit have no faculty or no likeness within themselves to resonant with what is called Spiritual.
You can look at music as only music -- scientifical it's mathematically formed binary beats and patterns; sounds & vibration.
Spiritually music are worlds, meanings, expressions, experiences, geometry, symmetry, symphony and light, is form and forms, emphasis, it moves, it comforts, it's alive.
Some people cannot fathom God thinking it's nonsense -- they cannot fathom what's not within themselves. I see no point in arguing peoples beliefs, it is their truth.
To even acknowledge God is of Soul, to recognize God is Intellect; to revere the virtues is godly, to be godly is resonance soul reflecting the image of.
Of course God is, nothing can disprove God.
The anthropomorphizing: we say 'he' to represent power and superiority. We say 'father' because he(God) is sustrnance and gives. We say 'personal' because the Spirit dwells within and is an intimacy of connection if you seek union.
The problem with anthropomorphize: we replace God with our EGO. Which most people do. They try selling you their belief, their books, their thoughts, their religion their BS.
I do agree to the notion of this. Still, there is a deep conflict between rationalism and a higher sense which either may exist fundamentally and independently, or which is created by us humans.
@@RolandHuettmann I think fantasy is created by us humans, influenced by the material. However, anything intellectual, of mind or imagination is of Soul. Imagination is based off of image, though improper use leads to fantasy, a disciplined mind may, with the intellect, contemplate on the cosmos and what's within that which is within the forms.
I dont know what rationalism is. I value light, reason, facts, logic and scriptural texts are just that: spiritual, scientific, psychological, astrological, universal.
Rationalism is different upon what the being is. An emotional, intellectual person interprets knowledge and facts differently than a non emotional & intuitive person.
i dont get why so many people are concerned about the "evil" situation. assuming that god exists, there is an absolutely simple explanation. god gave us free will. there is one thing that god can not do - give us free will AND make sure that nothing bad happens - UNLESS he made us to be perfect beings - LOL.
god can not be a temporal being - that does not mean he would not be able to interact in a temporal universe. but if god truly was a temporal being, you would run into the same problem of "where and when did god come from".
none of us can imagine a world outside of time, but god certainly must be.
when any of us try to make conclusions about god, we do so based upon what our world is like. we dont know that space, time and matter even exist outside of our universe. there would be no way for us to even think about a life without these things. like an ant thinking about calculus !!
Pantheism makes sense biblically to me within that subject of free will. We are either slaves to sin (no free will) or we are free in Christ. If freedom only exists when we have denied the separate self, then the separate self must be a lie. The truth is that Christ is contains all creation and we are that. We have freedom in Christ because unity with God and all creation is our genuine nature.
Lol giving free will to an animals and just watch it commit all bad things which possibly happen and then take it hell if it is bad according all the useless religion and why not just make a life which is heaven while alive and be dead to go into nothing forever....
" i dont get why so many people are concerned about the "evil" situation" It's only a problem if you believe God has unlimited power, total benevolence. The paradox was posed by Epicurus over 2000 years ago. You might have heard it in various forms but it goes like this:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Also if God is omnipotent and omniscient then he knows the future, so there can't be such a thing as free will, not even for his creations.
@@ManiBalajiC nothing ever goes away. It all just changes form. Even our present perceived form is a process of changing form. Beginnings and endings are arbitrary marks on an endlessly flowing process.
We are that process. The kingdom of heaven is already within us. We are one with God and in this realization is our free will.
And what if we assume he doesn’t exist, what then? How do we reconcile this, accept and move forward? I’m genuinely open to all ideas.
This really seams like a materialistic description of a God being. Where it would be quite difficult to rationalize something more similar to a ghost, phantasm, spirit, supernatural being... I would think everything known materialistically, including all life is subject to the absolute law of death, everything known. There may be examples of some kind of life that keeps replicating itself into a continued existence outside of the birth process, but eventually the Earth will succumb to this law as well and stop all life... regardless of elsewhere, unknown, and all the speculations. However, I would like to understand the processes that could keep all matter eternal and what would this hypothetical or unconditional force be and the purpose of this everlasting immortally of everything, if there is one, along with every minute detail of the continued consciousness and how that happens, every detail? Love is an important feeling when in balance to all the other feelings of the human being, otherwise the love it is not balanced, and in that there is not any whom have balanced or identified all of them, as well as the relationship it has to all living beings intellect. (You want to go where with what?) None of you here or elsewhere that I know of in the world have perfected this or proved of a being that has done so, as the universe is evolving to something different as I see it, meaning incompleteness of any perfection itself materialistically, let alone you yourself. Myself, evolution of a changing system to a more perfect system over unfathomable time spans seems a little more reasonable. This all, which is not really so much about you and your personal suffering and the suffering you bring about to others who are unaware of the dangers caused by imbalances of the consciousness, or just do not care to understand as much as possible about the truth of existence, or care. You have no right to preach to others until you change and perfect your own part existence of reality and any truth of existence, personally, none are even close to any perfections similar to all that has ever existed. There is no death of one to save others, show me the minute processes of how and why this is needed for a reality of truth and purpose. I do not see any other way for it to be done other than through your own mentality and of the personality to be able to understand the reality of the world along with your senses that develop the overall complexities of the mind... you have to test it, truth and its realities. The human being may never find the beginning, but there are sure to be a wealth of understanding that will help to create a more perfect being... this may happen more slowly or or not, the personal suffering you continually accept as truth will more than likely set that incompleteness of humanity in the future.
I wouldn't say God IS reality. Reality is just a contingent state of all that is around us and within our universe. Where as "God" would be a neccessary existence. "God" is in a "state"(if you wish) that is neccessary.
The Universe is not necessary: Therefore god had a choice. By what thought process was he able to decide, contingent or non-contingent?
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A thought process that is probably unknown to us. My point still remains, the Universe is contingent. Reality is contingent.
Why not ask a pantheism these questions? Have you talked to a pantheist about Theism?
God is a consuming spiritual fire, He is good, He is spirit and invisible. He is the only *kind of His kind and He is the Alpha and Omega.
Hebrews 12:29
“For our God is a consuming fire.”
Luke 18:19
“And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.”
John 4:24
King James Version
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Colossians 1:15
“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”
Numbers 23:19
King James Version
19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Isaiah 55:8-9
King James Version
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
*Isaiah 45:5
King James Version
5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Panentheism or pantheism?
John 15:1
King James Version
15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
John 15:5
King James Version
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
You should change the title of your Channel to "Further from Truth but Closer to God".
If you predicate truth to corporeal man i would agree with the title.
But if one has an intellect they know truth is, you could say, essence of God and would not be polarized as you posit.
God anthropomorphized is literaly true because it simply makes sense and coherent in Bible. All you questioned could be simply resolved in one concept, Infinity, I assume. Tranditional so called God is timeless makes self-conflict because without time there's no changing and no motion and no order. Therefore, we should be back the biblical time definition: time is a contrast the basic measurement of order. Time is a component of Lord God who is an ultimate order. Trinity is the best understanding of LORD God.
If this is true and reality that Energy can neither be created nor be destroyed, i.e. it transform into different forms whether it's mass or any other state, then Who created this constantly expanding vast source of Energy in this universe, i.e. universe is huge and constantly expanding. Human can proliferate the growth of humans just like fruits and vegetables but appropriate amount and generation of energy during that process is done by Whom? That questions need to be answered to justified the existence of might one, i.e. Who regulate this mother nature?
" then Who created this constantly expanding vast source of Energy in this universe,"
Why WHO? Why can't the universe just be.
God is not everything. God is beyond everything. The language of the words will stop, paralysed when trying to describe God. And there was none to compare or describe the Almighty. Ta3atalat Lughata Al Kalam.
Peace.
Misleading subject title - zero discussion on Pantheism.
I am, it seems, incapable of following these logic chains...
It's not your fault. The premise of god is an illogical, unfalsifiable, baseless assertion to begin with. Any "logic" applied to it is faulty or deliberately misleading.
@@con.troller4183 You have succinctly put into words why it hurts my head every time I think about belief in the type of personal god he describes. It just, makes, no, sense.
The same people that state that our ability to understand the universe is proof of God also defined god such that he is a logical impossibility.
I'm not sure the video title or its description connects well with the video content, as pantheism, as a contender-concept to theism, is only mentioned, not discussed. Pantheism might refer to the universe/reality as a giant brain/mind, where all manner of life-forms and their physical environments are just the thoughts of God (e.g., Philip K. Dick's Exegesis "thinks" something like this). Or the discussion might just be about naturalism vs. theism, where existence is attributed to a hopefully eternal non-contingent cause in both perspectives (i.e., a required axiom in both). So there has to be some non-contingent-buck-stopping, and all theists and atheists ever do is argue about what stops it. Atheists say it stops at a point where NO mindful agents exist, and the nature of what exactly that point is has to be investigated via science. Whereas theists say a MIND had to be the first non-contingent ultimate cause, and I suppose the only investigation options for that view are revelatory gnosis.
Could there be a middling god who is not good or evil and after death everyone goes to his mediocre realm?
Elohim is a plural that has been mistranslated
Pantheism has wide scope. but difficult to comprehend..
1. no duality [advaita]..
There is no separate entity as Good or Evil..
2.. anthropomorphism : Limitations through the humane point of view..
Guys are mis undetstood pantheism. He needs reading Spinoza before show he ignorant minds.
Nonsense. There's no god.
I think that God is impersonal, although we can experience God on a personal level.
AT LEAST this scientific perspective about God wasn't cynical like so many of them.
We talk about this universally in Africa and have done so since we established culture and civilization
So many people using so many words to try and explain things they have no comprehension of. Meaningless oratorical self-indulgence. I'm going to bed. "Say goodnight Gracie"
God's social media accounts would be eternally suspended so fast if he had a human form...I mean they, if they had.
HAHAH, I love when this channel takes a break from reality and gives us comedic gold like this.
Two clown are saying Nothing. I hates challatan.
You obviously never watch. It's always this ridiculous. Except when he's talking to a non-theist.
If by "will" one mean Realitty has a defined Order, a concrete future...than you can play with the pseudo personal God but obviously you are stretching the limits of concepts to push the tameable relatable concept of God which I do not endorse.
I m pantheist
God is just a metaphor for the power of collective imagination. Case closed.
Is god all reality? He is in the minds of those who believe in him. To those who don't god is just a delusion that is suffered by the mentally afflicted. I've observed that those who are "cured" and no longer believe in the existence of god they become obsessed with their new found atheism. Since I never believed in god for one second in my entire life atheism is as natural as drinking a glass of water. I rarely even give any of it much thought. Watching this site and what the believers have to say is not only totally unconvincing (I've never found so much as a shred of evidence that would challenge my total disbelief) but is is amusing too. They say it is not nice to make fun of the mentally challenged as we now call them but this is different. I can't help it. The devil made me do it! :-) Oops, that could be taken the wrong way. I don't believe in satan either and I am definitely not a satan worshiper or illuminati and don't believe in the occult or anything supernatural.
He's within everything as the original purpose. If you haven't seen Him, you haven't looked deeply enough. Material properties can't explain the taste of water.
@@PaulHoward108 hypothetically assuming god exists why would I want to find her? If she wants me to believe in her she knows where to find me and what she'll have to do to convince me. She knows that a man in a dress with a funny hat and a book written just after the invention of paper won't cut it. Neither will some transitory chemical reaction in my brain that after more than 73 years I've never experienced. I've trained my mind to ignore and reject irrational thoughts and sensations. Faith by definition is belief not on a rational basis. That's why it's called blind faith.
Not one shred of evidence? You are clearly talking about the fossil records that racist Charles Darwin knew had "not one shred of evidence" of slow evolutionary changes of life from a common ancestor ... but instead shows explosions of complex life & disappearance at every layer. No transition forms & precursors for the fossils ... nor over 4 billions years for all the species today. And still nothing today in the fossil record proving the evolution of life.
Natural selection only causes VARIATION within a species. There is zero evidence of Abiogenesis ... and that the all life today evolved from a common ancestor 4 billion years ago. A finch is still a finch, a dog is still a dog, a whale is still a while, a moth is still a moth.
Now the "deluded" evolutionists are using common embryonic development & DNA to as evidence of Darwin's racist "Survival of the fittest" manifesto. A chimp has 98% of the Human DNA .... but a cat has 90% ... a Cow has 60% .. and a banana 50%. Numbnuts, DNA is simply coding and a gene is simply a form of object orientated programming, with common algorithms shared by ...... Living machines.
All Life ... are machines composed entirely of machines.
A Machine is a physical function ... that requires specific matter, energy, space, time, laws of physics and .... INFORMATION ... in order to exist & to FUNCTION.
All machines are UNNATURALLY made by an intelligence who must provide the required INFORMATION ... or programming.
Nature & natural processes over any period of time ... can NEVER ... make or operate a simply mechanical machine like a wheel, lever, wedge, hammer, nail, screw, driver, etc.
The Three accepted types of machines are mechanical, electrical and ..... molecular(Life).
No evidence? GTFO with your nonsense.
The Theory of Universal Functions ... is the science behind Sir Issac Newton's OBSERVATION in the 1700's that the Universe is like a Watch & requires a watchmaker to exist & to work .... Paley's Watchmaker Analogy in the 1800's ... and every Biologist today all comparing Life forms & biological processes to .... MACHINES(Functions).
There is not & never will be any scientific evidence PROVING without any doubt that the Universe & Life have a NATURAL origin billions of years ago.
Matter, energy, space, time and the laws of physics are all Functions. Everything in the Universe is a function. The Universe is a function composed entirely of Functions.
Science is all about discovering & understand all the functions in the Universe, and how they cause natural phenomena.
The Laws of Thermodynamics and the expanding Universe data ... clearly shows .... the Universe is a FINITE Isolated Thermodynamic System ... that began & is expanding in an INFINITE Open System(Surroundings) which must provide the matter, energy, space, time & laws of physics for the Universe to exist & function. And the data clearly shows Earth is at the center of the expanding Universe.
But the Nature freaks ... insist the Universe is INFINITE is size so they can say any point in the Universe can APPEAR to be the center. Wrong. An Infinite Thermodynamic System ... will have infinite time & volume ... and therefore have reversible thermodynamic processes ... and have CONSTANT entropy.
Our Universe only has irreversible thermodynamic processes with finite matter & energy and INCREASING entropy.
No evidence? We have known about Thermodynamic Systems & surroundings and Entropy for over 150 years. And yet you fools insist the the Universe is INFINITE in size. Atheism is a religion that worships Humanism & Nature and promotes pseudo-science
Christianity is a religion that OPENLY worships a God who created the Universe, nature & the laws of physics. Christianity has lead the development & spreading around the world or western civilization & values, human rights, democracy, ethics, rule of law, education and the arts & sciences.
And what has Humanism, Atheism & Paganism done for Human Race? This too is evidence.
@@abelincoln8885 hmm. Could you elaborate on that? BTW I have no pagan gods either. I have no belief in anything.
@@markfischer3626 No belief in anything? Lacking a "shred of evidence" & providing a cure for a "delusion" says otherwise.
Again. Whether God is real or fiction, Christianity has had a monumental and beneficial influence on History and the development of a "civilized" World.
Meanwhile Secularism, Atheism and pagan & extremist cults have been responsible for all of the horrors in the world.
The evidence is clear, ... that Man being an imperfect creature with free will ... NEEDS ... some form of moral guidance and ethical standards that would bring out the good side, not the evil.
You don't have to be a Theist to know murder, rape, lying, stealing, greed, gluttony, envy, racism, sexism, pedophilia, slavery, prostitution etc are .... wrong .... bad .... or EVIL. But Man by his very nature, keeps doing evil, when he does not have a dominant culture that influences his choices, to fight his darker side, and to do good.
Again. It doesn't matter if God exists or not, ... the benefits of Christianity on national cultures and therefore general ethics & morals of most people, can not be denied, and should not be flagged as a "delusion" that needs a cure.
If Jesus is not the Son of God, no harm done. The world has clearly benefited from Christianity. You live & die, then ... nothing.
But if Jesus is the Son of God, and we all do have an eternal soul, and that God will be judging us for the sins committed, then you live, die then .... face God for what you chose to believe.
There has always been evidence in some form or another .... for Mankind's NEED for a perfect , loving but just God. Because we a creatures that are capable to great & good things .... but also unspeakable horrors.
Hold up. "Traditional God" is according to the texts, still a mystery.
Mother God is still a mystery in the Church, while all focus went to Jesus and Holy Ghost in a male dominated world.
Jesus wasn't a Christian. He was able to see the world as what it is, not as what is seen. He was able to touch the oneness that combines life. Jesus, if I had to guess, was a mixture between Buddhism, Pantheism, and Animism.
When in Rome. If God has multiple phones, and is capable of putting them anywhere throughout eternity, by your logic, God would die when the last phone(body) dies. When in reality, the C.L.I.T.(Creator of Love Intelligence and Time), just sends out more phones until the job is done.
There's too much "this or that," all the while still coming from child's perspective, unable to ask for veritas. It's in those moments of humility and fearlessness we are shown
#rotaercmai
The almighty CLIT… such an amazing power, yet such a baffling mystery
Yes God is real thing as far as I am concerned. Please understand that we need to be able to read the Holy books and the Bible study it. As the last end time of the year is coming up.
ok nostradamus
Why? The bible is a collection of scripts written and narrated by humans. Such belief system should deeply be questioned. With the same itensity we could believe just in anything, any fairy tale, and people do. The sun does not turn arounď the earth, but some people still believe it.
I believe the bible holds psychological/metaphorical truths. Not historical fact. I still believe the stories, and stories in general, can be useful though.
@@dylandecesare2652 But any book can be useful. We humans are story tellers. Some have more depth, others have less. Even politics is story telling....
@@RolandHuettmann sure any book can be useful, stories are useful. This collections of stories, I would argue, has more depth and usefulness than many others. Whether its fiction or not doesnt really matter (to me anyways) because it tells metaphorical truths. This collection of stories has endured for millenia and is in many ways an archetype for all stories that came after it.
Who made god?
The idea of a god is logically dead!
Particularly when there are good naturalistic explanations today.
See guys talking about GOD show guys minds are sick. Nobody shows GOD as guys did. They guys are saying Nothing about GOD. They minds not show up GOD atribute honestly. Before says GOD he needs read how important are thinking honestly concern theology. Guys are lack moral Science that obscure GOD atributes.
Still waiting for a single piece of credible evidence, definitively supporting any supernatural claim, made on behalf of any god, anywhere, anytime.
Let's meet this baseline requirement before we start debating the nature of this alleged being.
What do you mean by "nature" and "supernatural"?
@@PaulHoward108
Natural = phenomena which can be observed, measured, tested. AKA reality.
Supernatural = miracles, special creation, transubstantiations, resurrections, virgin births, talking animals. AKA, magic.
Rahayyuk
The Creator is separate from the creation. Theism is true. Period.
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The Baseless Assertion is separate from reality. Theism is woo-woo. Apostrophe!!
Don’t let the truth make you so upset. Unfortunately nowadays people can’t handle truth.
It’s so obvious seeing the people who are in deep denial and are trying to shut out the unhappy truth that will disrupt their illusion.
Distinct but not separate, as whole and part.
Is he using a wig?
Christian's 'god' is the not the God of Abraham, because God of Abraham hated human blood and manslaughter rituals which was despicable abomination in OT.
The God of Abraham do not share divinity with another, whereas Christian's 'god' does.
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