Imagine how much money Game Freak would make if they decided to just implement a Pokemon Showdown style game. Call it Stadium 3. It would sell like hot cakes and would make formats accessible again without dumping $400 into old games.
@@imablisy I don't disagree with you, but I think the optics of selling a subscription to kids (that already needs a sub for the Switch Online) would be bad for their brand identity. I don't care how they do it, it's just money sitting on the table and a question of "when?" and "if" they'll listen.
I think the issue with a battle revolution/official pokemon showdown clone is that a vocal minority is actually going to spend money on it. "Pokemon Showdown exists and it's free, why wouldn't I just play that instead?" or "This is literally just a battle simulator and not much else, I wouldn't pay $60 for this even if the animations are pretty" I'd imagine would be popular sentiments regarding it because we already have Pokemon Showdown that functions well on it's own in everything besides visual appeal. GameFreak could put insane amounts of effort into it and it'll sell just okay like Pokken Switch did. Even if we wanted to take Showdown out of the picture, realistically there's just no reason for Nintendo to make a battle revolution/stadium 3 styled game because it's already been integrated into the games at this point in the form of Battle Stadium, it would be amazing for the competitive players who play VGC but Smogon players and casuals likely won't care because singles without bans really isn't that fun and casual players care about more than just battles. The only way I could really see an official showdown clone working is if it was a free service that required owning the game and you could create custom sets for pokemon you already own but would only be able to add them to battle teams, but then that would just isolate the people without the money to buy a switch/the game/dlc.
Yeah, if you take away glitches because it's not what TPC intended (which is correct to do) then RNG manipulation doesn't make too much sense, either. Sure, some people could get lucky and find, say, a 1/10k chance in 10 attempts, but the intended way was for it to take on average 10k attempts.
Lmaooo,, the poke lotto rng and similarly, early den rng from sw/sh are rly easy to do. Just as accessible as time skipping in Animal crossing which ik a bunch of moms and grandmas were doin
For anyone who says that it's like buying equipment for a sport, reminder that this was something they stopped doing during gen 6-8, but then decided to make a thing again in gen 9. It's the whole reason the origin marks exist. So in other words, Pokemon was pay to win until they stopped that jn gen 6, then they decided "hey let's make Pokemon Pay to Win against" in gen 9. This shouldn't be defended
Totally agree, Been losing my mind about how terrible Gen 9's transfer system is. The mark system worked perfectly fine, I have no idea why they decided to change it just so you could transfer Pokemon back and forth between gens 8 and 9. Losing the ability to transfer up Legacy movesets along with allowing non-native Pokemon into the competitive scene are such irritating downsides to something that was already working perfectly fine
@@munchrai6396 if anything what was added in gen 8, the option to lose the legacy moves for being able to battle in online battles, that was actually a good system. You opt into it. You can say "nah I'd like my special Mon to keep this special move". You can't anymore. Wasn't even thinking about how stupid that is when I was complaining about how P2W Pokemon is. How does it get even worse
Imagine if fighting games made you buy all the games in the series to transfer the strongest characters in the game and then also banned you if you pirated the games just to avoid spending 60+ more dollars AND made you train up your character yourself and not even guaranteeing perfect stats
Your comment makes zero sense if you took a measly 5 seconds to think about it. Pokemon has over 1000 monsters to choose from. Name me one fighting game series that approaches even 100.
@Dimumouto well that just makes it worse. Instead of training 100 fighters you have to train 1000 pokemon - 10X the amount. And for fighting games most people only have 2-3 mains, there’s six pokemon on every team, not to mention you have to make multiple teams
6:00 it's only from the postgame of Shield specifically! which is extra bad because last generation Zamazenta was absolutely nowhere in VGC, while Zacian was one of the most prominent Pokemon in the format, so most VGC players probably bought Sword + DLCs. so even if they already owned a Gen 8 game, they would have to buy *a second one*!
Btw, you CAN "Complete" crown tundra dlc, but just until battle with rider Calyrex. They gate keep it until you become champion in the dumbest way. "Oh, no. Calyrex looks so strong! If only there was a very strong trainer, that could catch it!" - the guy/gal with Urshifu, all the regis, birds, guaranteed suicune and any boxart legendary
Came here to comment this 😭 its soooo annoying that you have to play through the whole game and dlc just to get one (technically two but whatever) Pokémon
@@Yoshizuyuner the issue is that its REQUIRED if you want to use Calyrex as its not available any other way, if it was possible to get in S/V like Glastrier or Spectrier it wouldnt be an issue (this also applies to Enamorous as you have to play through PLA) this is like the first time they have cut out past gen mons but allow them in competition and it makes it needlessly tedious as you need more than just the current gen games + maybe the dlc
@@Yoshizuyuner it’s great and all for the first time around, but in order to complete the Pokédex you need both horses, which means you would need to play through the entire game and dlc for a second time just to get the second horse. And that is just from the casual player perspective. As laid out in the video, some people are required to get these games in order to use calyrex because it is available nowhere else, which would mean they would have to go through hours of gameplay just for calyrex
Really disappointed you didn't count up the total cost again, especially now since Pokebank is only available on select 3DSs with it already installed.
Don't worry, they will be available in the next DLC. You just need to pay 99,99 dollars and your firstborn child. Also only one per DLC as a bonus for buying it. So have fun buying the game again with the DLC to be able to obtain more. Kind Regards from the MoneyMachine
@@FalseSwipeGaming stop glazing this false agenda Pokemon is fine and it’s not pay to win you can use whatever you want and Blissy is frightened to play me. He knows I’ll prove myself right in front of everybody.
The time investment in making a usable VGC team is so inexplicable to me. The comments about "well, if you're going to Worlds, you're probably already a superfan who bought all the games" is untrue because not everyone paid that much for games, but also because just because someone plays VGC tournaments doesn't mean they enjoy PLAYING all those games (including alt version), and it especially doesn't mean they enjoy grindy tasks. Doing blueberry quests or making sandwiches may be fun in some contexts for some people, but for some people it would just be unbearably tedious. I play Showdown all the time because I am super interested in competitive pokemon, but I don't even play official games at all because I don't like them.
Yeahhh, for the most part Showdown is the reason so many people are into VGC. You have to really be confident in your team before you build it in game because it can take lots of grinding and money depending on if you need certain things like Vitamins, TMs, tera shards, or IVs. I think EVs are a really cool idea but IVs just unnecessarily gatekeep certain pokemon from being easily accessible. Most pokemon don't absolutely need 0 Atk IV even if it's good to have a lower atk IV, but most trick room pokemon absolutely need 0 Speed IV which can be really annoying in cases like Ursaluna Bloodmoon or Calyrex where resets take long.
@@panmanafro good for them, im glad theyre just typing in what pokemon they want into a cheat machine and aren't wasting their time on some arbitrary grind
I always loved competitive Pokémon, and my first real try was back during S/M. Took me about 400 hours to build a totally competent and legit team, and then the season changed and my team needed to be rebuilt. Wasn’t willing to put another 400 hours in BEFORE I EVEN GOT TO BATTLE, so begrudgingly I simply see competitive Pokémon an an exercise in who has the most money AND free time.
That's how it is for anything competitive. Training, coaches, travel cost, equipment, it all adds up. You need a job that is flexible with time off and pays you enough money to cover all the cost. The price is the price.
@martonyomchale342 If competitive pokemon was meant for adults with free time then why do the junior and senior divisions exist? Those are the divisions for kids under 18, if competitive was made for people with free time then why do they allow children with school schedules to compete?
@@noinfo1018 Competitive Pokemon like all sports, esports, compeitive hobbies are for people with time and money. Children have time seeing as how they aren't in school 4 months out the year, and during the school year they can travel to the events as they are usually held on the weekends. For working adults you work during the weeks, schedule flight and hotel for the event, the event is usually on the weekend, you show up friday, the event is saturday/sunday. If you get knocked out day 1 you got a day to explore the city. In Europe you get 4 weeks paid vacation in most countries so travel is easy, pay is good in Europe. Now in the US it's harder to get time off but again the events are on the weekends. Schedule off a few events if you work weekends. Olympians don't sit at home for 4 years training. They work regular jobs for the most part.
As a VGC player, I really like that you highlighted the galarian moltres hunt and having to make that pivot. I've built multiple teams for a tournament where I start to build it in game, and then have to make a 180 after further testing shows I wanna update that team in some way.
Competitive Pokémon is already weird as fuck when it's a legitimate role to be someone's team builder. Imagine you were playing any other game and the only sensible option was to outsource your build
Pokemon becoming the king of making overpowered dlc pokemon and making sure everyone who wants to compete properly will have to buy the game holy shit man, i dont even play the game competitively outside showdown and i feel bad seeing this happen
I love how people will say anything they can to defend Game Freak, but at the end of the day they still make greedy decisions like this for no ones benefit except their own.
I feel like this single change would alleviate most problems. Considering how much time it takes in those videos just to hunt for the "perfect" 0 Attack/Speed IVs.
@@DarukiNeo-il2jt trick room mons want to be as slow as possible hence you want 0 speed ivs for that stat, theres also reason to if your pokemon is a special attacker to make your Atk IV 0 as well for the few cases where that would matter. So its quite important actually and a way to set IVs to 0 easily would be nice to go along with the bottle cap we already have
A tournament not allowing generated 'mons but allowing you to RNG manipulate for them is just the dumbest semantics I've ever heard of. Most people dont want to go through trouble to get the tools necessary to RNG manipulate and some also feel that it violates the games integrity just as much as hacking (look at anyone who takes shiny hunting seriously and ask them about RNG manip shinies...) The "no generated mons" really just seems like some nerdy tryhards gatekeeping a win strategy from people who could beat them, but are generally less invested or interested.
"paying for your equipment is normal in other sports!! you people are entitled" yeah but you can GET soccer balls and shinguards at a store. imagine if you had to pay 300 dollars for a soccer ball because they stopped making them 30 years ago and that's the tournament standard. and they tase you if you buy an identical ball that somebody made in their basement
AND that is forgeting the TIME INVESTMENT in Time and RNG bullshit. Like, is a brand new ball, so for competition you have to kick it 1000 times, then let it at the sun 6.2 hours, and kick it 400 more times No wonder people HACK So much. This is so BULSHIT and Scummy, and is for medium low tournament where the price is what? 1000 dollar 1st, and anyone under 4th just got a net loss with travel and housing.
Also you can argue buying scarlet and violet IS buying the soccer ball but they are specifically planning the way you can obtain those pokemons he talks about in the video to make you buy every single game
@@RadiancePath936 Because without Showdown, VGC dies a quick death. Nintendo knows that these VGC guys sure as hell don't test their hundreds of possible teams on cartridges...
17:40 - "G-Moltres flies around really fast and you have to be really good on the Roto-bike to catch it" Meanwhile, I just noticed it followed a set path and waited in a spot that was in the path and when I checked on the game after a few minutes, I was in a battle with it _G-Zapdos_ is the one you need to be good with the Roto-bike for, because ol' Kickin' Chickin' will book it from you and you just gotta keep at it until it starts slowing down from exhaustion
I discovered the set path of Moltres by accident, I came to the islands, got up to do something else and was surprised to see Moltres on my screen when I returned
Having Calarex not be in SV and forcing you to buy SWSH is one of the scummiest ways to make you pay more. Awful practice. having almost every legendary from SWSH's DLC, but 1 is a huge middle finger from GF
@@wehrwolff6447 I genuinely hate him for how he makes it seem like a bad thing to be against cheaters in Pokemon. Like he goes right to insulting people out the gate instead of rationally explaining why the arguments in favor of genning are misguided and has such an anti-cheating stance that he is willing to say even cheating for the sake of battling your family/friends in an old game with a now dead official ladder (like genning for USUM Wifi Battles or something) is still bad. Like he takes what shouldn't be an unpopular opinion and does more damage to it and makes a bunch of contrarians to counter his hard stuck position
@@dorkenspache8353 Agreed. Honestly just seems like drama farming on YT. Like I could get some arguments against cheating, however he on one hand goes on and on about how evil cheating is but then has the dumbest stances. For example he basically said that Pokémon locked behind Paywalls in older games etc. are fine, because it's just a nice bonus for longtime fans. Like he doesn't seem to want fair competition. Just wants to vent and screech and get known for that.
@@wehrwolff6447 Yeah he doesn't actually follow a sound logic to debunking arguments in favor of cheating and just makes bold generalizations like "oh this person's cheating because they have a shiny" like no?? Meanwhile, the easiest way to counter pro-cheating arguments is just saying "find a friend who will trade you their random meh legendaries or do team building for you" yet he doesn't
Ive said this before ine of the biggest problems is that if youve been playing the games since you popped out the womb, youre fine. But say you just started competitive in gen 9...well you can still make teams and compete youre just at a disadvantage in terms of not only resources but also experience which means youd have to be absorbing everything you need like a sponge in order to get anywhere
1) Trading is a viable option, you just need to be smart when trading. You shouldn't feel safe or confident accepting a traded Urshifu that has 6 natural perfect IVs and the best possible nature, that's more than likely hacked. But a 3IV sub-optimal or bad nature is something you can almost entirely trust is legit because nobody would go through the trouble of genning in a mon that is sub optimal and needs to be grinded up in game 2) Any skill based game takes years to build up skill in dude. Chess grandmasters don't become them in a month. And even given Pokemon's fash shifting metagame, part of that is the case BECAUSE people are genning and causing it to now shift and change faster than it would naturally. This isn't the only case of genning causing the very problem they claim is the reason why they gen. Trick Room Enamorus is prime example where it's a mon where the time investment is so insane to get one that it would be almost non-existent without genning. Even if you blast through Legends Arceus to get to Enamorus, its still like a few hours to get one encounter and have a 1/64 chance it has 0 IVs in speed (given it can range from 0-31 and the 1/2 chance it has to be a guaranteed 31 IV), meaning most players who do play legit wouldn't go for it. So now we have a team archetype built around a Pokemon that is nearly inaccessible to legit players, yet somehow this is Pokemon's fault for making this build hard to obtain and not the fault of genners cheating to use a good strategy that wouldn't even be popular or relevant if it weren't for them genning in the first place?? The only argument I see working is an IV-reducing item/NPC, but beyond that point what else could they possibly do besides just injecting PKHex into the game as a facility? And at that point it would literally be just a tacet endorsement of cheating. Like that isn't how this should work, we don't bend to the will of people who deliberately break the rules of competition, we crack down on them.
@UltraBall23 yes but every other competition in the world doesnt make it so obtuse and confusing to get the right resources even when you're doing everything right
@@Wyvernn_ "obtuse and confusing" bruh just catch the mons and do raids for patches and bottle caps and buy the mints. Like jesus it's not confusing at all
The problem is that there are DLC exclusive pokemon. If you want to be playing at a competitive level, you *have* to get the DLC for Ogerpon, Blood Moon Ursaluna, Raging Bolt, and/or Smeargle.
I think the main issue is that Calyrex is the best restricted pokemon right now and it's not even available in the game despite the horses being here, so you have to buy/replay through Sword/Shield just to get it which is really annoying. Spending $30 - 35 for the DLC nets you more than just those mons so there's other reasons to buy it, but my issue mainly comes from locking specific pokemon behind past games because like blisy said it's absolutely fucked up.
@@zdelrod829 Mercifully, that hasn't been the case even since SwSh Whenever new DLC allows new 'mons, as long as they're technically allowed now, you can transfer 'em in, DLC or not Having slogged through Shield recently, I can confirm, I transferred in a bunch of 'mons, a lot of which were only added in IoA and CT, and I still had 'em even without buying the DLC Although I can't speak from experience with SV because I don't have it and don't plan on having it any time soon, but optimistically, I imagine the same is true for that
thanks for the video, I've been building legit competitive teams ever since S/V came out and I just learned a lot how to make things WAY quicker than how I was doing before
This doesn’t even mention how the DLC Paradox Pokemon are version exclusives that you only get one of each. Raging Bolt is a very common pick on teams this year, but if you have Violet, you can’t get one. They had no issue giving us 2 Miraidons/Koraidons before.
It's not even a true dupe, the tradable one is wasted if you don't keep it, because your bike won't transfer to the next pokemon game, you'll still be missing a box legendary
Since there's already Rental Teams, QR codes, and all that- Why can't we manually make the team ourselves?? What I mean is something like this: You own the pokemon, legally, obviously, and then you place it on the rental team. However, you can modify its stats in that rental team, and ONLY in there, something like Showdown, just an easy way to fix Ivs, Evs, Nature, Moves without of all the hustle of redoing it everytime.. I mean, after all it's just a rental team, it'll Only work with online battles, and whenever a new game and generation comes out, it'll be completely obsolete since it'll move over the new games. There's not risk of cheating and hacking, you simply need to own the pokemons! They could make it so much easier.. but nope, instead they reverted some of the TMs to one time usage so even more grind I guess! :D
My idea is once you register the Pokémon in the pokedex you can use it in VGC/online battles, there would be a team build menu where you can use any Pokémon you registered, pick it’s nature, ivs/evs, moves, and abilities. You would still need to buy the item from playing the game and to use shinies you just need to catch the shiny form Something like this where it’s a build a team menu would pretty much solve people hacking competitive ready Pokémon instead of dozens of hours and buying multiple games you only need a few or 1 game and spend a couple hours planning/making a team
@@awesomeguy9513 I think the same as you, they could even make a game for competitive only, and require you to register the pokemon on your pokedex to use them on this game. you would still require to catch/trade the mons, and acquire some of the games, but it wouldn't matter how you would do it. and after you catch one exemplar once, you can use it on the game and do whatever you want with stats. Anyway, there is a ton of ways to do this better than what it currently is, it is just gamefreak that doesn't want to do it.
I don't think rng manip is bad or wrong, but it feels weird to allow. You even said "I want to assess how Game Freak INTENDED for team building to work" less than a minute before. Manipulating RNG was obviously never intended, it was intended to be random.
I'm a bit confused on how glitches are considered apart from Gamefreaks vision of the game but RNG manipulation isn't. Surely when they were making the games they weren't intending for players to manipulate the game in such a way. You've shown they're okay with it, but you didn't say they weren't okay with the glitches either. So to me they seem like they're in the same boat. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding something.
Both aren't intended to be abused by the user. However technically how the RNG got implemented is intentional. Computers basically suck at being truly random. It's all just math and an input essentially. So if you know how it works you can exploit it easily. And from the games view the Pokémon caught this way are 100% legit. So technically you could exclude rng manipulation. However this YTubist has lots of RNG manipulation content. Plus it's something everyone can do with relatively low effort. Compared to normal soft resetting.
What wolfman above said, there is just no way to weed out rng manipulated pokes from legit ones like you can with genning and glitching so they can't really enforce a ban on the method.
in essence rng manip is learning the pattern of the machine and using it to your advantage. Like if you went to a slot machine, and you know the exact second you needed to pull a lever for a jackpot. In the case of pokemon, its about knowing which specific actions would get you a specific pokemon, like take 200 steps east from the starting town then encounter a pokemon, and it will be shiny. A player playing normally could have done the exact same action as one who did a manipulation. but using a glitch isn't something that could be done unless the glitch was extremely simple, like item duplicating rare candies.
To be clear, neither are a part of their vision of the game. They just can't reasonably do anything about it. Ultimately, the only thing they officially care about is what they check for at the event. This is limited in scope to your 6 Pokemon team only. Everything outside of the 6 Pokemon you plan to use is, even if frowned upon, fair game. Want to just spawn in 999 of all the items? Go for it. What's the difference between you with 999 of an item and someone who bought 999 of an item from a store? They can assume you cheated it in based on the quantity of 999's, but ultimately... you could have done it legit, and 1 false ban undoes the progress of 100,000 real bans.
I feel like adding an item like the fresh start mochi for iv’s instead of ev’s would be a huge improvement. That way you can grab whatever Pokemon you need off the GTS and not have to worry at all because all its traits are fully customizable.
also printing machine RNG discovery is insanely huge. I've been wondering for ages if this was a possibility for tera shards and I'm just blown away and so excited to see this. Thank you so much for introducing this process to everyone!
24:30 re: transfers, you can't even easily get access to them today since the 3DS eshop shut down and it's impossible to get access to bank and poketransporter legitimately. A friend of mine, who had downloaded Pokemon Transporter, can't even use it anymore because he forgot to update it in time. So if somebody wanted to get a Landorus through gen 5 they'd need to get: - both pokemon black and white (Landorus requires both Thundurus and Tornadus, and they're exclusive) - a used 3DS that has bank and transporter already downloaded - a second DS console to trade with yourself I realize that modding a 3DS is easy and you could probably get access to bank and the transporter that way, but it'd probably be breaking TPC's no hacking rules for VGC anyway and at that point you might as well just use PkHex.
it would be so easy for game freak to just create a new pokemon stadium/battle revolution game that could be a free expansion if you have the latest gen game, plus it means we could get those animations in those games, which look really good to me personally
@@imablisy Hahahaha! That's actually hilarious. I just fly to montenevera often enough because I try to solo every Tera raid, so when I heard something else it caught my ear immediately. Got a good laugh in
I think that you should be able to use hologram pokemon or something. It functions the same as a regular mon, and you can simply go into an editor and add it to your team for battles, but can't use it in the story or something. That way people still have an incentive to train up their own mons if they want to. But they don't NEED to just to compete
I understand what you're saying here about this whole thing. But the most pay to win thing is the airline. Costs me 650$ Canadian to the last regional I went to. Hotel for 3 nights, and everything else I needed to do im pretty sure I can buy every pokemon game ever released at retail after 2 tournys
Kek, I just made a comment about this. Experienced players will tell you that their number one tip is to get a credit card with good airline and hotel rewards. I've done the math, and if you want a reasonable chance of getting your invite, it costs about $10,000 United States dollars for event travel. Pokemon is pay-to-win because it's a game that must be played physically in order to acquire enough championship points to go to Worlds.
There's a tool for item printer RNG called ItemPrinterDeGacha. You just search in there for what you're looking for and set the time on your switch. That's really all there is to it.
5:55 I’m not sure if this was mentioned already, but you are able to continue the Calyrex story line very early into SwSh, however, you MUST become the champion before the game will let you challenge the grass deer
Moon channel did a good video on Pokemon Showdown and copyright protection. If Pokemon were to make a Pokemon Showdown type of game to create Pokemon, Pokemon Showdown itself is killed off due to it being so similar to their copywritten material. I also feel the video is a good explanation as to why they have people grind and train Pokemon intstead of just doing the create-a-Pokemon deal a lot of people want. I think that's another reason Gamefreak hate people hacking in Pokemon. It hurts their copyright by using a non Pokemon company system to get Pokemon.
Hey speaking of Showdown and “Create-A-Pokemon” That’s an actual format where you can use smogon-made fakemon. There’s this Fire/Fairy mon with Pixilate Extreme Speed but none of its stats go above 100. I wonder how it and the other guys made for CAP would do in a VGC format.
@@qwilliams1539 The video I referenced talked about just that. They don't, because the Pokemon games and Pokemon Showdown are very different in tone. Creating your own Pokemon Showdown will end Pokemon Showdown, and I guarentee it wouldn't have the same features as current Showdown.
What's funny is that I don't think I've ever gotten landorus in black and white because uh.. I couldn't figure out how the event worked, or something. Same with Keldeo I was always bummed about it as a kid :(
Let’s hope that when Gen 10 comes around, GameFreak actually takes into account the sometimes absurdity of building a Competitive Pokémon and make it a thing of the past so even more people can play competitively
I kinda wanna have that hope too, but... it's Game Freak. They'll probably find another way to make the grind either more tedious, or expensive (possibly both!). A man can dream, but I've lost faith in it at this point.
shocking to see the amount of people so ready to lick the boot and say something like "competitive players will own every switch pokemon game anyway" even though that is just untrue
A few observations I've made recently that might be worth sharing: - Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have physical copies that come with the DLC, released almost two years after the initial release date. They are, however, made in limited quantities and some revisions (such as both Scarlet and Violet copies I bought recently here in New Zealand) don't come with both DLC packs included - they're still a separate (free) download. These get hard to obtain after a while, and considering the retail price isn't a discount over buy the game (physical or digital) + DLC, only make sense for collectors. That, and once they sell out, they become prohibitively expensive (the SWSH ones are a rip-off already). - Though it's easier to use items for EV training now (and you can even buy PP Ups), they're still stupidly expensive. I think cutting the price by 90% once you beat the main story would be a good compromise so that your team isn't over-levelled for PvE but so that PvP isn't a huge grind. If each drug cost $1000 instead of $10,000, it'd be a lot more accessible. Or, you know, introduce proper PvE level scaling so that them making your team overpowered is a moot point. - It's still far quicker and easier to hack. You can even use things like LiveHeX to check IVs on Legends as you play. You still can't back up your Pokemon saves even when paying for Nintendo Switch Online, and to get decent mileage out of Home, you have to pay a subscription for that too. Also, Game Freak's hack checks are still terrible enough that any time you use the GTS or Wonder Trade, you're almost guaranteed to get something that's hacked, and yet less obviously hacked things will get you disqualified from VGCs. This point may be rather obvious, but when an unofficial tool like PKHeX is better equipt to deal with these issues, why are we paying so much to Nintendo/Game Freak/TPCi when they're offering us less value? I hacked my Switch just so I can back up my saves (though sometimes I edit them too, but needlessly limited-time Mystery Gift content is also awful and a good reason to hack). Why pay for backups when these (and Animal Crossing) are the only games that you _can't_ back up? It's all so tiresome.
This is a good video for the sake of creating content, but you can't just say things like "no glitches cause that is not the way game freaking intended" and then pull out RNG manipulation which is obvious that's not the way game freak intended either 😂 Otherwise it wouldn't be as hard as it is Edit: also you could argue the GTS is even more a way Gamefreak intended and you can get legendary and box legendary pokemon really easily there without paying extra for games you don't own, the only problem apart from not able to ask for specific IVs is that the GTS sucks at detecting hacked pokemon so it kind of defeats the purpose
Realaitically I think if Pokemon wants to fix a lot of these problems they need to introduce a fun, thought provoking, mini game that is used to grind up a currency or similar that can be used to redeem for basically everything related to training. Such as buying eggs that will hatch into the Pokemon you need, with options for 0 speed/attack. This includes exclusives and legendaries. Maybe they could lock the progression behind a dozen hours of rank building or something first, but at a certain point it needs to be possible to aquire every legal pokemon on any version of the game. Trading would still be easier and quicker, but thats never reliable and owning two consoles is not a solution.
that's insanely quick.. i remember back in the day needing like 6 hours to grind one pokemon (and not accounting the 0 in atk , didn't even bother to see what it was
I really felt the things you said in the last few minutes. I also like to shiny hunt Pokemon and make a competetive team around them and while these teams aren't perfect, they are usually good enough to win me some online battles or at least make it feel like I have a team. However, especially in s&v I just don't know what to use my newest team for. Online battles just make me compete against people with a team full of legendaries, while I only have one and the battlerules only cover special Pokemon over all by allowing them or not allowing them. So if I want to use my beloved Lugia in a competitive team, the game just throws me against players with 3 legendaries or more. I just wish we had something like the battletower, where you can fight with your Team, against really good NPCs and get prices/ a mark for your Team after completing the Battletower
These time grind are also that amount of time when you know how it works. There's also the barrier of entry of having to learn what every single one of these things is and how they work in each game.
first off im gonna say this are all like super valid points, and I agree it's very grindy as someone who can't build teams because i lost my copy of sword/shield and have like no time off. That being said i think the franchise is partially a monster raiser franchise, like digimon and monster rancher, but to a lesser extent, getting everything immediately would defeat the purpose (but it's kinda defeated by the fact you can't really do anything with the raising other than fight other people, so yeah they should bring back the battle frontier stuff)
i know the point of these vids is the excessively stupid cost & effort required to get your foot in the competitive door, but it's still so satisfying to watch these because the actual raising of pokemon -- not building the teams, battling, shiny hunting, or catching/collecting -- is my favourite thing to do in the games.
Building competitive teams honestly sounds so much easier than it was back when I actually built on cart in Gen 6. It's just the pay to win nature that is obnoxious. And it wouldn't matter all that much for Regulation H, which I've been much more interested in, EXCEPT for the fact that Ursaluna Bloodmoon is in the format. Why did it have to be Bloodmoon? Why doesn't that get to count as a legendary, when Battle Bond Greninja does count?
I like your solution at the end. The threefold plan pretty much works. My personal defense for there still being any teambuilding at all is because theres still value in bringing a competetive team you made. Theres some level of satisfaction there, and imo thats one of the only reasons to play an official release as opposed to showdown if you're just interested in competetive. However making Pokemon harder to train but then making that training only really necessary for post game content like Battle Facilities still works well. It is the best way to have our cake and eat it too under the scenario that pvp becomes sliders
I think it’s worth noting that most legendaries are available for free if you transfer them from raids in Pokemon Go. The problem there is that legendaries are locked to having a minimum attack IV of 20, so if you want to be perfectly optimal then it doesn’t work for special attacking legendaries. Zamazenta would be fair game though. Of course this is another band-aid solution. Some important Pokemon (like Calyrex) are still not available, and it’s up to Niantic whether the Pokemon you want is available or not. Still, it’s at least an option for reducing the number of games you need to buy
@@1BlueYoshi not every pokemon needs a 0IV in Attack, I see some people do it for all their special attackers and it’s completely unnecessary. You hardly see Foul Play
problem with raids is that you need an active community of friends of at least 6-7 people to do legendary raids properly (and this is coming from someone who IS NOT from the US, where apparently most of the go community is located), if you either don´t have friends or have very few friends that play go (like me), you are on a bit of a screw up. And even then some limitations are that you can only get one free pass per day, meaning that if you fail the raid, you have to waste real money for a premium pass OR waiting for the next day, and also that raid pokemon are in rotation constantly, so you have to wait WEEKS just to probably see the legendary you need on raids
Thank you for uploading videos like this. As someone who wants to do competitive Pokémon, it makes me happy to see how it is all done, so thank you for putting your time into building teams for your friends. It is so helpful!!
great video Bliss! worlds made me really want to try VGC. I have 2 kids and a buncha debt i’m trying to pay down. life hits hard sometimes and it’s bogus that i can’t use pokemon from pokemon go cause i don’t have the unlocked pokédex. also can’t get other pokemon cause of DLC. shits ruff
Id be more worried about travel and lodging costs to play vgc than the price of the games. Before you can even think about playing vgc you gotta pay the logistical costs which can be ridiculous. Ill never play vgc id rather save up money for a nice vacation instead. Also if you hack you do so at your own risk.
I like how Scarlet/Violet made the EV training process easier in ways and lowered the bottle cap level req. While I don't play competitively, so a 0 phys attack / 0 spe attack IV isn't a focus for me, I get a lot of shards from terra raids, more than enough to change the tera type. When it comes to game ownership though, you're so right about the cost. Long term what you want is the copy of a game with the expansion pass on it.
These are real insightful and really interesting videos to peer into what actually goes into making a vgc team, and as someone interested in maybe getting into it, big fan!
They set up such an obvious push to get people to get the other games, then Luca Ceribelli went and won with a team that can be entirely caught in Violet plus DLC. I feel like this will only encourage Game Freak to keep doing this, however.
@slipsquid3797 No, that's more aimed at gamefreak and their refusal to see the accessibility problems of certain competitive pokemon, such as Hisuian starters, Creselia, the Forces of Nature, Calyrex, etc. I'm very impressed with Luka's victory, specifically because it's entirely with pokemon that can be caught in a single copy of Violet + DLC
@@sarkath77 I think that the accessibility problem comes from the meta and how people are hyper focused on what is seen as good that they ignore the clear things in front of them. I can't really agree with that when 1. Other good Pokemon are there 2. Gf expects that fans of the game will have the older games which makes sense 3. If you don't want to buy the games trading is an option( thanks to cheaters tho it is way Risker to do this sadly not even casuals are safe). If Pokemon truly made it to where it was almost impossible to get the Pokemon then I'd just say to change the rules to accommodate. But as it stands now they're good solution to this problem.
@@xenocide1307 Sword and Shield sold 1 million copies more than SV so there is a larger amount existing players than new ones. There probably more people who own both Sword/Shield and SV than people who just owns SV. It doesn't really matter though since trading is a thing (just find a good community to help you out).
Once you've beaten the main story, it should take MINUTES to get a competitive team ready, not HOURS. We live in a world where showdown exists. (And showdown exists because of this problem.) I would love to see them either 1.) add an official online battle simulator in-game, 2.) allow us to complete customize our own Pokemon in the post-game to the same extent that a simulator would, or 3.) reduce the complexity of the Pokemon themselves. Remove some or all of the following: IV's, EV's, egg moves, hidden abilities, etc. In other words find some kind of middle ground between how simple things were in Gens 1-2 and how complex things are now. The less random elements we need to account for, the quicker and more accessible getting competitive pokemon will be.
As an person who used to hack vgc teams since early scarlet and violet, however after my switch online was gone, so i have to actually do the team building myself, it was long to bulid to train all of my mons, however i finally finish the team.
At least regulation H will be cheaper in way? assuming you can get regular mons, tms and evolving items from trades with people and asking for help to evolve legend arceus mons, BM ursaluna should be the only one that cant be obtained in a fresh file with no dlc, or im missing someone?
One thing I’ve noticed since at least SwSh is that needing a 0 IV seems to be more required since Gen 8 than previous Gens. Maybe I just finally took notice, but I really feel like there should be a reverse of Hyper Training to dip an IV down to 0. Or just change Hyper Training to allow you to pick an IV between 0 and 31 by using a cap. That and I still say that, even if a Pokémon is allowed in the region, tournaments/ranked should only allow anything with a dex number to be used. Just my two cents on it, but I’m not a hyper competitive player, especially this Gen.
I think there’s two routes gamefreak can do to remedy this problem. Either make a simulator for competitive play that allows you to obtain every Pokémon and train them relatively swiftly, or restrict the list of legal Pokémon to only the ones available in the current game.
I'm currently getting back into VGC mostly because the upcoming Regulation H doesn't allow legendaries at all, so all the Pokémon in the format are (relatively) easy to obtain. Though, I didn't play Scarlet all the way through when it came out (only just went back and finished it the other week) and I never got the DLC (will maybe do so at a later date but not right now), so I'm still at kind of a disadvantage. Some of my suggestions as to what GameFreak should do in future games to make acquiring competitively viable Pokémon easier: - Include ways to encounter all past legendaries in the base games on release, keep the version exclusives for all I care but please just add this. and also please don't make them annoying like the ultra wormholes in Gen7 - Include ways to make legendaries and other static encounters reappear even if you have already caught them - Add a Rusty Bottlecap, that works just like the normal Bottlecap except it reduces the selected stat to 0 - Please, for the love of god, please bring back the daycare. This picnic shit is ridiculous. - Include official ways to make vitamins and PP Ups easy to acquire without having to money grind for hours - If there is some kind of resource comparable to Tera Shards in this game, just make those accessible in some way as well. No more mindless raid grinding pls
Oh man, as someone who loves to use Trick Room I FELT that bit about a Rusty Bottle Cap. Good news is, it's actually insanely easy to grind money and Tera shards in the DLC. In Teal Mask you get a charm that dramatically increases the Tera Shards you receive after Raid Battles, and in Indigo Disk there's this weird machine where you put in those pokemon materials and it spits out all kinds of items including nuggets, bottle caps, leftovers, evolution stones, etc. You can get a ton of money from this thing from just grinding against Chansey who give lots of Exp. and Hp Evs so you get a lot out of them very quickly.
I don't think it is pay to win. And i feel like "pay to win" has been thrown around frequently just because people don't like that game have version exclusive pokemon and pokemon that exclusive to DLC. New pokemon introduced for the DLC is a way to interest fans into buying the DLC which is a good business decision. Is is a pain for those that don't want to spend money for another game or DLC? Yes but I feel it is a bit much to call it pay to win. My opinion though.
I am of the opinion that all Pokemon that are useable in a current regulation should be attainable in that ccurrent set of games (Scarlet and Violet in this case), its so scummy otherwise, they make more than enough money as it is. I suppose if you're a top player you could just build a good team with all accessible mons on Sc/Vi, and exclude those others as they aren't 100% needed for every team, but all should have the option regardless imo.
Excellent vid as always. I made it a point when I started playing competitively at the end of Sword and Shield to replay my old games and start building a collection of 0 atk and 0 speed IV legends where applicable. Now I have a pool that I can just immediately pull from to build a team for myself or loan to friends. People definitely shouldn't be expected to be able to do this though, especially since there are plenty of even newer players just getting started now.
5:52 Fun Fact: You can complete the story of The Crown Tundra as soon as you're able to take the train near the start of the game, BUT the game does NOT let you battle Calyrex until you're the Champion, so you're gonna have to beat the game regardless if you want to catch Calyrex.
you're spot on with what you said at the end. i've always ranted about how a showdown style builder for online play should be a thing since team grinding simply isn't a part of the competitive experience, but you made a great point that building a great team can be really fun and it's important to give us an actual reason to do that. as it stands the games are a complete joke in terms of difficulty and have no endgame content that requires optimal teams, so even if the grind was enjoyable or shorter it's only relevant to competitive players anyway who are the only ones who really shouldn't have to do it. that paradox just makes gamefreak's lazy attitude really obvious, they don't put any real care into the experience of their players, all they're interested in is throwing together a semi-functional game that sells copies. this isn't just a problem for competitive players, it's bad game design that negatively affects everyone who plays these games
man, this RNG stuff that you do, is no like really counterintuitive to the video's proposal, beacause if the video is "How nintendo want" the RNG should be part of the game, also not everyone know RNG manupulation exists in pokemon game, I only know beacause of your videos, but if I need to do that, we probably be impossible to me, that would have to learn from 0, my first language is not english(which explains my writing mistakes) which makes it extremely difficult for me to learn these techniques. I know the idea here is to see it from the perspective of pro players and for those who want to make the first team for a tournament and have no knowledge of RNG control. My idea is not to speak badly of your video, just to bring up another point.
Y'know, something I've realized of late is that whenever folks are thinking about a hypothetical "Anti-Hyper Training" for zeroing an IV, it's basically unanimously agreed that the item to do it would be a "Rusty Bottle Cap" But the thing is I don't think it'd be something that the usual Hyper Training guy would be able to do? At least if we abide by in-universe rules Hyper Training basically puts a 'mon through such an intense workout that they become just as good in a stat as a 'mon that was born genetically perfect in that stat But that begs the question of how the hell would one do an intense workout that makes you _worse?_ Personally, I don't think there should be a new Bottle Cap type per se, but instead just some dedicated "Hyper Sloth" [for lack of a better name] guy that, ideally, is always near the Hyper Train guy who also uses the two Bottle Cap types there currently are And maybe his schtick is he can cook meals that are so insanely unhealthy that it makes a "trained" stat be the same as a 'mon that is the genetic worst for that stat [aka, 0IV] Medali has a chef that can make meals capable of changing a Tera-type, after all, I'm sure that'd be just as possible Although that said, obviously in a perfect world the Hyper Train guy could instead just let us precisely Hyper Train to any given IV amount as needed, not just all or nothing, as there's historically been a handful of sets in VGC that needed some wacky IV numbers, after all That is, unfortunately, just a pipe dream however, as the idea of precisely going for specific IV numbers would mean the games would have to actually tell us real numbers and Game Freak is deathly allergic to actually giving real explanations to the deeper mechanics of Pokemon, forcing anyone who's even slightly interested about them to have to look towards unofficial online resources to understand things
That's basically every competitive community that has this much depth in there game: you won't get very far trying to figure everything out on your own.
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but where could I see this sheet with the dates and times for each item I would like the item printer to give me? I dont seem to see which of this description links it is exactly. Thanks in advance :)
New meta: The No E tournament. Rules: No pokemon, items, moves or abilities with the letter E in it. You can be types with an E (fire/water/electric/steel/etc), but that's it.
Imagine how much money Game Freak would make if they decided to just implement a Pokemon Showdown style game. Call it Stadium 3. It would sell like hot cakes and would make formats accessible again without dumping $400 into old games.
they could easily do a monthly paid sub and it'd hit hard
@@imablisy I don't disagree with you, but I think the optics of selling a subscription to kids (that already needs a sub for the Switch Online) would be bad for their brand identity.
I don't care how they do it, it's just money sitting on the table and a question of "when?" and "if" they'll listen.
pokemon showdown itself ain't surviving if they do
@@scrunkore nah i think the showdown audience will be fine, i doubt many of them play the actual games so probably wouldnt own a console
I think the issue with a battle revolution/official pokemon showdown clone is that a vocal minority is actually going to spend money on it. "Pokemon Showdown exists and it's free, why wouldn't I just play that instead?" or "This is literally just a battle simulator and not much else, I wouldn't pay $60 for this even if the animations are pretty" I'd imagine would be popular sentiments regarding it because we already have Pokemon Showdown that functions well on it's own in everything besides visual appeal.
GameFreak could put insane amounts of effort into it and it'll sell just okay like Pokken Switch did. Even if we wanted to take Showdown out of the picture, realistically there's just no reason for Nintendo to make a battle revolution/stadium 3 styled game because it's already been integrated into the games at this point in the form of Battle Stadium, it would be amazing for the competitive players who play VGC but Smogon players and casuals likely won't care because singles without bans really isn't that fun and casual players care about more than just battles.
The only way I could really see an official showdown clone working is if it was a free service that required owning the game and you could create custom sets for pokemon you already own but would only be able to add them to battle teams, but then that would just isolate the people without the money to buy a switch/the game/dlc.
I love the idea that the school printer can just casually make the average student a millionaire if they rig the machine enough.
true in real life too you just go to jail for it
@@delta0xno
lol
@@ThoseOtherJeremysLieyes, literally theft if you abuse a system from a company to makw millions
@@ThoseOtherJeremysLie yes!
Wow Bugsy’s team has really had a face lift since Gold and Silver
I already have to go "okay a normal person would not do this" when RNG manipulation comes into play, no matter how quick everything else is.
I am a normal person
@@imablisy(I love this vid just saying lol)
Yeah, if you take away glitches because it's not what TPC intended (which is correct to do) then RNG manipulation doesn't make too much sense, either. Sure, some people could get lucky and find, say, a 1/10k chance in 10 attempts, but the intended way was for it to take on average 10k attempts.
Lmaooo,, the poke lotto rng and similarly, early den rng from sw/sh are rly easy to do. Just as accessible as time skipping in Animal crossing which ik a bunch of moms and grandmas were doin
@@imablisy lmao
For anyone who says that it's like buying equipment for a sport, reminder that this was something they stopped doing during gen 6-8, but then decided to make a thing again in gen 9. It's the whole reason the origin marks exist. So in other words, Pokemon was pay to win until they stopped that jn gen 6, then they decided "hey let's make Pokemon Pay to Win against" in gen 9.
This shouldn't be defended
Totally agree, Been losing my mind about how terrible Gen 9's transfer system is. The mark system worked perfectly fine, I have no idea why they decided to change it just so you could transfer Pokemon back and forth between gens 8 and 9. Losing the ability to transfer up Legacy movesets along with allowing non-native Pokemon into the competitive scene are such irritating downsides to something that was already working perfectly fine
@@munchrai6396 if anything what was added in gen 8, the option to lose the legacy moves for being able to battle in online battles, that was actually a good system. You opt into it. You can say "nah I'd like my special Mon to keep this special move".
You can't anymore. Wasn't even thinking about how stupid that is when I was complaining about how P2W Pokemon is.
How does it get even worse
@@Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan ask game freak I bet they have the answer already lol 😂
Imagine if fighting games made you buy all the games in the series to transfer the strongest characters in the game and then also banned you if you pirated the games just to avoid spending 60+ more dollars AND made you train up your character yourself and not even guaranteeing perfect stats
"You can join our chess tournament but you have to make the pieces yourself"
@@TheMoccisand they must be made out of the finest wood and if they have any mistakes you can't use them
Your comment makes zero sense if you took a measly 5 seconds to think about it. Pokemon has over 1000 monsters to choose from. Name me one fighting game series that approaches even 100.
@Dimumouto well that just makes it worse. Instead of training 100 fighters you have to train 1000 pokemon - 10X the amount. And for fighting games most people only have 2-3 mains, there’s six pokemon on every team, not to mention you have to make multiple teams
Also, smash bros is over 90 and will likely have 100 when the next game in the series happens
6:00 it's only from the postgame of Shield specifically! which is extra bad because last generation Zamazenta was absolutely nowhere in VGC, while Zacian was one of the most prominent Pokemon in the format, so most VGC players probably bought Sword + DLCs. so even if they already owned a Gen 8 game, they would have to buy *a second one*!
Bugsy literally did lol
Btw, you CAN "Complete" crown tundra dlc, but just until battle with rider Calyrex. They gate keep it until you become champion in the dumbest way.
"Oh, no. Calyrex looks so strong! If only there was a very strong trainer, that could catch it!" - the guy/gal with Urshifu, all the regis, birds, guaranteed suicune and any boxart legendary
yeah someone pointed this out in the stream chat. I didn't realize, big error whoops!
Came here to comment this 😭 its soooo annoying that you have to play through the whole game and dlc just to get one (technically two but whatever) Pokémon
@@hoopa_axolotl9293 buys a game expect to not play it* plays it
@@Yoshizuyuner the issue is that its REQUIRED if you want to use Calyrex as its not available any other way, if it was possible to get in S/V like Glastrier or Spectrier it wouldnt be an issue (this also applies to Enamorous as you have to play through PLA) this is like the first time they have cut out past gen mons but allow them in competition and it makes it needlessly tedious as you need more than just the current gen games + maybe the dlc
@@Yoshizuyuner it’s great and all for the first time around, but in order to complete the Pokédex you need both horses, which means you would need to play through the entire game and dlc for a second time just to get the second horse. And that is just from the casual player perspective. As laid out in the video, some people are required to get these games in order to use calyrex because it is available nowhere else, which would mean they would have to go through hours of gameplay just for calyrex
These vgc team building videos are some of the most high-quality pokemon content on youtube, always looking forward to your uploads
thank you
Sure beats a man-child literally reading the Trivia section on Bulbapedia
in a perfect world gamefreak would implement showdown into the link battle menu and we’d use that for competitive
yep
The monkey paw being it probably be a subscription service that also requires the online subscription
With the ability to port your own team, if you want, like in the old school Pokemon Stadium*
That defeats the purpose being a Pokemmon trainer. You are suppossed to breed, and raise the pokemon which means you have to grind.
@@martonyomchale342people don’t see themselves as actual Pokémon trainers when they play competitively they see them selves as battlers
Really disappointed you didn't count up the total cost again, especially now since Pokebank is only available on select 3DSs with it already installed.
Amazing video as usual! Im glad someone is shedding light on this subject with multiple videos
Thanks! Love FSG, your videos got me through the misery of my commute for years haha.
@@imablisy LOL im glad i could be of help! I hope the right people see your vids and at least make 0 iv bottle caps or something
Don't worry, they will be available in the next DLC. You just need to pay 99,99 dollars and your firstborn child. Also only one per DLC as a bonus for buying it.
So have fun buying the game again with the DLC to be able to obtain more.
Kind Regards from the MoneyMachine
@@imablisyat least the price went down from $510 to $90
@@FalseSwipeGaming stop glazing this false agenda Pokemon is fine and it’s not pay to win you can use whatever you want and Blissy is frightened to play me. He knows I’ll prove myself right in front of everybody.
The time investment in making a usable VGC team is so inexplicable to me. The comments about "well, if you're going to Worlds, you're probably already a superfan who bought all the games" is untrue because not everyone paid that much for games, but also because just because someone plays VGC tournaments doesn't mean they enjoy PLAYING all those games (including alt version), and it especially doesn't mean they enjoy grindy tasks. Doing blueberry quests or making sandwiches may be fun in some contexts for some people, but for some people it would just be unbearably tedious. I play Showdown all the time because I am super interested in competitive pokemon, but I don't even play official games at all because I don't like them.
Yeahhh, for the most part Showdown is the reason so many people are into VGC. You have to really be confident in your team before you build it in game because it can take lots of grinding and money depending on if you need certain things like Vitamins, TMs, tera shards, or IVs. I think EVs are a really cool idea but IVs just unnecessarily gatekeep certain pokemon from being easily accessible. Most pokemon don't absolutely need 0 Atk IV even if it's good to have a lower atk IV, but most trick room pokemon absolutely need 0 Speed IV which can be really annoying in cases like Ursaluna Bloodmoon or Calyrex where resets take long.
All these arguments just prove that vgc players have been cheating
How can you guys not see this
@@panmanafro good for them, im glad theyre just typing in what pokemon they want into a cheat machine and aren't wasting their time on some arbitrary grind
@@panmanafrodo you think only rich people with tons of free time should be the only ones allowed to compete?
Why are you world champ if you're so morally pure @@panmanafro
I always loved competitive Pokémon, and my first real try was back during S/M. Took me about 400 hours to build a totally competent and legit team, and then the season changed and my team needed to be rebuilt. Wasn’t willing to put another 400 hours in BEFORE I EVEN GOT TO BATTLE, so begrudgingly I simply see competitive Pokémon an an exercise in who has the most money AND free time.
That's how it is for anything competitive. Training, coaches, travel cost, equipment, it all adds up. You need a job that is flexible with time off and pays you enough money to cover all the cost. The price is the price.
@@martonyomchale342 this is an esport, an not one that has an official league like LOL or Overwatch, you need shouldn't equipment to play a video game
@martonyomchale342 If competitive pokemon was meant for adults with free time then why do the junior and senior divisions exist? Those are the divisions for kids under 18, if competitive was made for people with free time then why do they allow children with school schedules to compete?
@@Ray-wz8sg You wouldn't be at tournaments even if that was the case. If you have money for travel you have money for the equipment.
@@noinfo1018 Competitive Pokemon like all sports, esports, compeitive hobbies are for people with time and money. Children have time seeing as how they aren't in school 4 months out the year, and during the school year they can travel to the events as they are usually held on the weekends.
For working adults you work during the weeks, schedule flight and hotel for the event, the event is usually on the weekend, you show up friday, the event is saturday/sunday. If you get knocked out day 1 you got a day to explore the city. In Europe you get 4 weeks paid vacation in most countries so travel is easy, pay is good in Europe.
Now in the US it's harder to get time off but again the events are on the weekends. Schedule off a few events if you work weekends. Olympians don't sit at home for 4 years training. They work regular jobs for the most part.
As a VGC player, I really like that you highlighted the galarian moltres hunt and having to make that pivot. I've built multiple teams for a tournament where I start to build it in game, and then have to make a 180 after further testing shows I wanna update that team in some way.
Competitive Pokémon is already weird as fuck when it's a legitimate role to be someone's team builder. Imagine you were playing any other game and the only sensible option was to outsource your build
Pokemon becoming the king of making overpowered dlc pokemon and making sure everyone who wants to compete properly will have to buy the game holy shit man, i dont even play the game competitively outside showdown and i feel bad seeing this happen
I love how people will say anything they can to defend Game Freak, but at the end of the day they still make greedy decisions like this for no ones benefit except their own.
They need some kind of "rusty bottle cap" item or something to let you set a Pokemon's IVs to 0.
I would use this before every Pokémon I trade fr
I feel like this single change would alleviate most problems. Considering how much time it takes in those videos just to hunt for the "perfect" 0 Attack/Speed IVs.
Why is it important?
@@DarukiNeo-il2jt trick room mons want to be as slow as possible hence you want 0 speed ivs for that stat, theres also reason to if your pokemon is a special attacker to make your Atk IV 0 as well for the few cases where that would matter. So its quite important actually and a way to set IVs to 0 easily would be nice to go along with the bottle cap we already have
A tournament not allowing generated 'mons but allowing you to RNG manipulate for them is just the dumbest semantics I've ever heard of. Most people dont want to go through trouble to get the tools necessary to RNG manipulate and some also feel that it violates the games integrity just as much as hacking (look at anyone who takes shiny hunting seriously and ask them about RNG manip shinies...)
The "no generated mons" really just seems like some nerdy tryhards gatekeeping a win strategy from people who could beat them, but are generally less invested or interested.
exactly they’re the same thing
"paying for your equipment is normal in other sports!! you people are entitled" yeah but you can GET soccer balls and shinguards at a store. imagine if you had to pay 300 dollars for a soccer ball because they stopped making them 30 years ago and that's the tournament standard. and they tase you if you buy an identical ball that somebody made in their basement
AND that is forgeting the TIME INVESTMENT in Time and RNG bullshit.
Like, is a brand new ball, so for competition you have to kick it 1000 times, then let it at the sun 6.2 hours, and kick it 400 more times
No wonder people HACK So much.
This is so BULSHIT and Scummy, and is for medium low tournament where the price is what? 1000 dollar 1st, and anyone under 4th just got a net loss with travel and housing.
Also you can argue buying scarlet and violet IS buying the soccer ball but they are specifically planning the way you can obtain those pokemons he talks about in the video to make you buy every single game
But in this case the old games aren’t required-
@@kee-tah8841yes they are you are playing at a severe disadvantage without
@spongebobgod2128, all vgc legal Pokemon are available I some game currently in production
This is one of the best ads for Showdown...
Gamefreak: *Holding a DMCA hammer over showdowns head*
The fact that showdown wasn't taken down by Nintendo, knowing their antics (RIP Uranium and Prism) is a miracle.
@@RadiancePath936 Because without Showdown, VGC dies a quick death. Nintendo knows that these VGC guys sure as hell don't test their hundreds of possible teams on cartridges...
@@RadiancePath936moon did a good video on that
17:40 - "G-Moltres flies around really fast and you have to be really good on the Roto-bike to catch it"
Meanwhile, I just noticed it followed a set path and waited in a spot that was in the path and when I checked on the game after a few minutes, I was in a battle with it
_G-Zapdos_ is the one you need to be good with the Roto-bike for, because ol' Kickin' Chickin' will book it from you and you just gotta keep at it until it starts slowing down from exhaustion
really takin it back to the good ol hunter gatherer days with that gapdos chase
I discovered the set path of Moltres by accident, I came to the islands, got up to do something else and was surprised to see Moltres on my screen when I returned
I am now calling it Kickin' Chickin' at all times.
Having Calarex not be in SV and forcing you to buy SWSH is one of the scummiest ways to make you pay more. Awful practice. having almost every legendary from SWSH's DLC, but 1 is a huge middle finger from GF
They don’t have the new Regis or the birds
Bro gen it its free😂
@@imablisy You are correct I completely forgot about them and was thinking only Calarex.
It's not scummy though
No genies either. No lando, no thundy, no torn. I don't have SS so I have to try and arrange trades online just to compete.
Fun fact, if you are just starting out then Pokemon bank isn't available
My favourite part about these uploads is seeing how verlisify will have a mental breakdown over them.
Oh god, that person needs serious medical help
@@wehrwolff6447 I genuinely hate him for how he makes it seem like a bad thing to be against cheaters in Pokemon. Like he goes right to insulting people out the gate instead of rationally explaining why the arguments in favor of genning are misguided and has such an anti-cheating stance that he is willing to say even cheating for the sake of battling your family/friends in an old game with a now dead official ladder (like genning for USUM Wifi Battles or something) is still bad.
Like he takes what shouldn't be an unpopular opinion and does more damage to it and makes a bunch of contrarians to counter his hard stuck position
Verlisify is mentally handicapped
@@dorkenspache8353 Agreed. Honestly just seems like drama farming on YT. Like I could get some arguments against cheating, however he on one hand goes on and on about how evil cheating is but then has the dumbest stances.
For example he basically said that Pokémon locked behind Paywalls in older games etc. are fine, because it's just a nice bonus for longtime fans.
Like he doesn't seem to want fair competition. Just wants to vent and screech and get known for that.
@@wehrwolff6447 Yeah he doesn't actually follow a sound logic to debunking arguments in favor of cheating and just makes bold generalizations like "oh this person's cheating because they have a shiny" like no??
Meanwhile, the easiest way to counter pro-cheating arguments is just saying "find a friend who will trade you their random meh legendaries or do team building for you" yet he doesn't
For a company that loves releasing unfinished slop, GF sure know how to inflate playtime and macrotransactions
You say that like its some grand accomplishment
They get away withbit because Nintendroned will buy everything because Nintendo is their god and personality, and they can do no wrong.
@@XmortoxX1990 why are you taking this so personally
@@XmortoxX1990 Are these "nintendrones" in the room with us right now ?
I'm not even convinced it's that. I think they just really expect you to have Sw/Sh + DLC
Ive said this before ine of the biggest problems is that if youve been playing the games since you popped out the womb, youre fine.
But say you just started competitive in gen 9...well you can still make teams and compete youre just at a disadvantage in terms of not only resources but also experience which means youd have to be absorbing everything you need like a sponge in order to get anywhere
1) Trading is a viable option, you just need to be smart when trading. You shouldn't feel safe or confident accepting a traded Urshifu that has 6 natural perfect IVs and the best possible nature, that's more than likely hacked. But a 3IV sub-optimal or bad nature is something you can almost entirely trust is legit because nobody would go through the trouble of genning in a mon that is sub optimal and needs to be grinded up in game
2) Any skill based game takes years to build up skill in dude. Chess grandmasters don't become them in a month. And even given Pokemon's fash shifting metagame, part of that is the case BECAUSE people are genning and causing it to now shift and change faster than it would naturally.
This isn't the only case of genning causing the very problem they claim is the reason why they gen. Trick Room Enamorus is prime example where it's a mon where the time investment is so insane to get one that it would be almost non-existent without genning. Even if you blast through Legends Arceus to get to Enamorus, its still like a few hours to get one encounter and have a 1/64 chance it has 0 IVs in speed (given it can range from 0-31 and the 1/2 chance it has to be a guaranteed 31 IV), meaning most players who do play legit wouldn't go for it. So now we have a team archetype built around a Pokemon that is nearly inaccessible to legit players, yet somehow this is Pokemon's fault for making this build hard to obtain and not the fault of genners cheating to use a good strategy that wouldn't even be popular or relevant if it weren't for them genning in the first place??
The only argument I see working is an IV-reducing item/NPC, but beyond that point what else could they possibly do besides just injecting PKHex into the game as a facility? And at that point it would literally be just a tacet endorsement of cheating. Like that isn't how this should work, we don't bend to the will of people who deliberately break the rules of competition, we crack down on them.
And that’s just like every competition in the world. If you don’t have the resources and experience, you’re at a disadvantage.
@UltraBall23 yes but every other competition in the world doesnt make it so obtuse and confusing to get the right resources even when you're doing everything right
@@Wyvernn_ it’s not complicated… just play the games. Y’all make it complicated by adding extra and necessary steps.
@@Wyvernn_ "obtuse and confusing" bruh just catch the mons and do raids for patches and bottle caps and buy the mints. Like jesus it's not confusing at all
The problem is that there are DLC exclusive pokemon. If you want to be playing at a competitive level, you *have* to get the DLC for Ogerpon, Blood Moon Ursaluna, Raging Bolt, and/or Smeargle.
I don't think it's super unreasonable to buy the dlc to compete, but buying old games, yeah it's fucked up.
You don't need the DLC to transfer in a Smeargle.
I think the main issue is that Calyrex is the best restricted pokemon right now and it's not even available in the game despite the horses being here, so you have to buy/replay through Sword/Shield just to get it which is really annoying. Spending $30 - 35 for the DLC nets you more than just those mons so there's other reasons to buy it, but my issue mainly comes from locking specific pokemon behind past games because like blisy said it's absolutely fucked up.
@@MarshtompGames I was unaware of that. I was under the impression that the ability to transfer was locked behind the DLC.
@@zdelrod829
Mercifully, that hasn't been the case even since SwSh
Whenever new DLC allows new 'mons, as long as they're technically allowed now, you can transfer 'em in, DLC or not
Having slogged through Shield recently, I can confirm, I transferred in a bunch of 'mons, a lot of which were only added in IoA and CT, and I still had 'em even without buying the DLC
Although I can't speak from experience with SV because I don't have it and don't plan on having it any time soon, but optimistically, I imagine the same is true for that
They just need a simulator for competitive play. Either that or keep putting bandaids on bullet wounds
thanks for the video, I've been building legit competitive teams ever since S/V came out and I just learned a lot how to make things WAY quicker than how I was doing before
This doesn’t even mention how the DLC Paradox Pokemon are version exclusives that you only get one of each. Raging Bolt is a very common pick on teams this year, but if you have Violet, you can’t get one.
They had no issue giving us 2 Miraidons/Koraidons before.
if you think theyll ever let us have two of the cover legendary ever again lmfao that was pretty much just there to cover up a plot hole
@@Ninja1Ninja2 yeah its really just to give us a tradable version to complete the dex with
@@Ninja1Ninja2 it happened in sun and moon too.
It's not even a true dupe, the tradable one is wasted if you don't keep it, because your bike won't transfer to the next pokemon game, you'll still be missing a box legendary
@Ninja1Ninja2 in the earlier versions of sv, you could clone the legendary
Since there's already Rental Teams, QR codes, and all that- Why can't we manually make the team ourselves??
What I mean is something like this: You own the pokemon, legally, obviously, and then you place it on the rental team. However, you can modify its stats in that rental team, and ONLY in there, something like Showdown, just an easy way to fix Ivs, Evs, Nature, Moves without of all the hustle of redoing it everytime..
I mean, after all it's just a rental team, it'll Only work with online battles, and whenever a new game and generation comes out, it'll be completely obsolete since it'll move over the new games. There's not risk of cheating and hacking, you simply need to own the pokemons!
They could make it so much easier.. but nope, instead they reverted some of the TMs to one time usage so even more grind I guess! :D
They did that to give raids more drops
@@stonalisa3729 terrible answer to the problem though :\
My idea is once you register the Pokémon in the pokedex you can use it in VGC/online battles, there would be a team build menu where you can use any Pokémon you registered, pick it’s nature, ivs/evs, moves, and abilities. You would still need to buy the item from playing the game and to use shinies you just need to catch the shiny form
Something like this where it’s a build a team menu would pretty much solve people hacking competitive ready Pokémon instead of dozens of hours and buying multiple games you only need a few or 1 game and spend a couple hours planning/making a team
@@awesomeguy9513 I think the same as you, they could even make a game for competitive only, and require you to register the pokemon on your pokedex to use them on this game. you would still require to catch/trade the mons, and acquire some of the games, but it wouldn't matter how you would do it. and after you catch one exemplar once, you can use it on the game and do whatever you want with stats.
Anyway, there is a ton of ways to do this better than what it currently is, it is just gamefreak that doesn't want to do it.
That's not what Pokemon is about.
-"i wanna se how it would be to build a team as Game Freak intended."
-"I'm doing RNG manips."
My guy, thats not how Game Freak intended.
I don't think rng manip is bad or wrong, but it feels weird to allow. You even said "I want to assess how Game Freak INTENDED for team building to work" less than a minute before. Manipulating RNG was obviously never intended, it was intended to be random.
I'm a bit confused on how glitches are considered apart from Gamefreaks vision of the game but RNG manipulation isn't. Surely when they were making the games they weren't intending for players to manipulate the game in such a way.
You've shown they're okay with it, but you didn't say they weren't okay with the glitches either. So to me they seem like they're in the same boat.
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding something.
Both aren't intended to be abused by the user. However technically how the RNG got implemented is intentional.
Computers basically suck at being truly random. It's all just math and an input essentially. So if you know how it works you can exploit it easily.
And from the games view the Pokémon caught this way are 100% legit.
So technically you could exclude rng manipulation. However this YTubist has lots of RNG manipulation content. Plus it's something everyone can do with relatively low effort. Compared to normal soft resetting.
What wolfman above said, there is just no way to weed out rng manipulated pokes from legit ones like you can with genning and glitching so they can't really enforce a ban on the method.
in essence rng manip is learning the pattern of the machine and using it to your advantage. Like if you went to a slot machine, and you know the exact second you needed to pull a lever for a jackpot. In the case of pokemon, its about knowing which specific actions would get you a specific pokemon, like take 200 steps east from the starting town then encounter a pokemon, and it will be shiny. A player playing normally could have done the exact same action as one who did a manipulation. but using a glitch isn't something that could be done unless the glitch was extremely simple, like item duplicating rare candies.
To be clear, neither are a part of their vision of the game. They just can't reasonably do anything about it.
Ultimately, the only thing they officially care about is what they check for at the event. This is limited in scope to your 6 Pokemon team only. Everything outside of the 6 Pokemon you plan to use is, even if frowned upon, fair game.
Want to just spawn in 999 of all the items? Go for it. What's the difference between you with 999 of an item and someone who bought 999 of an item from a store? They can assume you cheated it in based on the quantity of 999's, but ultimately... you could have done it legit, and 1 false ban undoes the progress of 100,000 real bans.
I completely agree Rng manipulation gives me the same energy as stacking cards in poker
Its funny game freak makes pokemon moves so hyper specific to get in older games yet get mad absolutely it.
1:46 I LITERALLY NEVER NOTICED THOSE SYMBOLS CHANGED OMG
galar has one too
I feel like adding an item like the fresh start mochi for iv’s instead of ev’s would be a huge improvement. That way you can grab whatever Pokemon you need off the GTS and not have to worry at all because all its traits are fully customizable.
also printing machine RNG discovery is insanely huge. I've been wondering for ages if this was a possibility for tera shards and I'm just blown away and so excited to see this. Thank you so much for introducing this process to everyone!
the rng manipulation also assumes the player has a PC which is a safe assumption but should probably be thrown into the calculation.
24:30 re: transfers, you can't even easily get access to them today since the 3DS eshop shut down and it's impossible to get access to bank and poketransporter legitimately. A friend of mine, who had downloaded Pokemon Transporter, can't even use it anymore because he forgot to update it in time.
So if somebody wanted to get a Landorus through gen 5 they'd need to get:
- both pokemon black and white (Landorus requires both Thundurus and Tornadus, and they're exclusive)
- a used 3DS that has bank and transporter already downloaded
- a second DS console to trade with yourself
I realize that modding a 3DS is easy and you could probably get access to bank and the transporter that way, but it'd probably be breaking TPC's no hacking rules for VGC anyway and at that point you might as well just use PkHex.
11:31 WOOOAH what’s that room?! Is it in the depths? I get so disoriented with caves in some of these games, I don’t think I’ve ever seen it!
it's a hidden room before the final room
it would be so easy for game freak to just create a new pokemon stadium/battle revolution game that could be a free expansion if you have the latest gen game, plus it means we could get those animations in those games, which look really good to me personally
honestly you're the goat for doing these. a player gets a team and you get great content. love these vids
Wow, flying to Montevideo, Uruguay multiple times in one video. That sounds like a pretty big time loss
I have been calling it montevideo in every S/V video I make for like 2 years and you're the only one to catch it LMFAO. I can finally rest.
@@imablisy Hahahaha! That's actually hilarious. I just fly to montenevera often enough because I try to solo every Tera raid, so when I heard something else it caught my ear immediately. Got a good laugh in
I think that you should be able to use hologram pokemon or something. It functions the same as a regular mon, and you can simply go into an editor and add it to your team for battles, but can't use it in the story or something. That way people still have an incentive to train up their own mons if they want to. But they don't NEED to just to compete
I understand what you're saying here about this whole thing. But the most pay to win thing is the airline. Costs me 650$ Canadian to the last regional I went to. Hotel for 3 nights, and everything else I needed to do im pretty sure I can buy every pokemon game ever released at retail after 2 tournys
Kek, I just made a comment about this. Experienced players will tell you that their number one tip is to get a credit card with good airline and hotel rewards. I've done the math, and if you want a reasonable chance of getting your invite, it costs about $10,000 United States dollars for event travel. Pokemon is pay-to-win because it's a game that must be played physically in order to acquire enough championship points to go to Worlds.
Can we get a Video for item Printer RNG? This would Save me some hours
I kinda want one for the Cram o matic because that's just... Arcane black magic
There's a tool for item printer RNG called ItemPrinterDeGacha. You just search in there for what you're looking for and set the time on your switch. That's really all there is to it.
This would be dope, Blisy.
Seconded. I know how it works but i like blissy's style.
5:55 I’m not sure if this was mentioned already, but you are able to continue the Calyrex story line very early into SwSh, however, you MUST become the champion before the game will let you challenge the grass deer
Moon channel did a good video on Pokemon Showdown and copyright protection. If Pokemon were to make a Pokemon Showdown type of game to create Pokemon, Pokemon Showdown itself is killed off due to it being so similar to their copywritten material. I also feel the video is a good explanation as to why they have people grind and train Pokemon intstead of just doing the create-a-Pokemon deal a lot of people want.
I think that's another reason Gamefreak hate people hacking in Pokemon. It hurts their copyright by using a non Pokemon company system to get Pokemon.
Hey speaking of Showdown and “Create-A-Pokemon” That’s an actual format where you can use smogon-made fakemon. There’s this Fire/Fairy mon with Pixilate Extreme Speed but none of its stats go above 100. I wonder how it and the other guys made for CAP would do in a VGC format.
If they wanted to, they could nuke Pokémon Showdown from orbit for using "Pokémon" in their name.
@@qwilliams1539 The video I referenced talked about just that. They don't, because the Pokemon games and Pokemon Showdown are very different in tone. Creating your own Pokemon Showdown will end Pokemon Showdown, and I guarentee it wouldn't have the same features as current Showdown.
What's funny is that I don't think I've ever gotten landorus in black and white because uh.. I couldn't figure out how the event worked, or something. Same with Keldeo
I was always bummed about it as a kid :(
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@@acetrainerdevin1164 DEVIN WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE
WHAT THE FUCK
I just wanted to know how you actually got the landorus :(
you need both thundurus and tornadus in your team in black/white for landorus to appear in the shrine
skill issue
Let’s hope that when Gen 10 comes around, GameFreak actually takes into account the sometimes absurdity of building a Competitive Pokémon and make it a thing of the past so even more people can play competitively
I kinda wanna have that hope too, but... it's Game Freak. They'll probably find another way to make the grind either more tedious, or expensive (possibly both!).
A man can dream, but I've lost faith in it at this point.
I think instead of improving competitive, why not focus on.. I don't know, making a finished game?
@@justindishaw3219 You do have a good point!
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They won't, trust me. They have been doing the same for years, and sales are better year after year, they won't change it.
shocking to see the amount of people so ready to lick the boot and say something like "competitive players will own every switch pokemon game anyway" even though that is just untrue
A few observations I've made recently that might be worth sharing:
- Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet have physical copies that come with the DLC, released almost two years after the initial release date.
They are, however, made in limited quantities and some revisions (such as both Scarlet and Violet copies I bought recently here in New Zealand) don't come with both DLC packs included - they're still a separate (free) download.
These get hard to obtain after a while, and considering the retail price isn't a discount over buy the game (physical or digital) + DLC, only make sense for collectors. That, and once they sell out, they become prohibitively expensive (the SWSH ones are a rip-off already).
- Though it's easier to use items for EV training now (and you can even buy PP Ups), they're still stupidly expensive. I think cutting the price by 90% once you beat the main story would be a good compromise so that your team isn't over-levelled for PvE but so that PvP isn't a huge grind. If each drug cost $1000 instead of $10,000, it'd be a lot more accessible. Or, you know, introduce proper PvE level scaling so that them making your team overpowered is a moot point.
- It's still far quicker and easier to hack. You can even use things like LiveHeX to check IVs on Legends as you play. You still can't back up your Pokemon saves even when paying for Nintendo Switch Online, and to get decent mileage out of Home, you have to pay a subscription for that too.
Also, Game Freak's hack checks are still terrible enough that any time you use the GTS or Wonder Trade, you're almost guaranteed to get something that's hacked, and yet less obviously hacked things will get you disqualified from VGCs.
This point may be rather obvious, but when an unofficial tool like PKHeX is better equipt to deal with these issues, why are we paying so much to Nintendo/Game Freak/TPCi when they're offering us less value? I hacked my Switch just so I can back up my saves (though sometimes I edit them too, but needlessly limited-time Mystery Gift content is also awful and a good reason to hack). Why pay for backups when these (and Animal Crossing) are the only games that you _can't_ back up? It's all so tiresome.
This is a good video for the sake of creating content, but you can't just say things like "no glitches cause that is not the way game freaking intended" and then pull out RNG manipulation which is obvious that's not the way game freak intended either 😂
Otherwise it wouldn't be as hard as it is
Edit: also you could argue the GTS is even more a way Gamefreak intended and you can get legendary and box legendary pokemon really easily there without paying extra for games you don't own, the only problem apart from not able to ask for specific IVs is that the GTS sucks at detecting hacked pokemon so it kind of defeats the purpose
Yo the two screaming birds used to verify your decisions are back! 23:58
Realaitically I think if Pokemon wants to fix a lot of these problems they need to introduce a fun, thought provoking, mini game that is used to grind up a currency or similar that can be used to redeem for basically everything related to training.
Such as buying eggs that will hatch into the Pokemon you need, with options for 0 speed/attack. This includes exclusives and legendaries.
Maybe they could lock the progression behind a dozen hours of rank building or something first, but at a certain point it needs to be possible to aquire every legal pokemon on any version of the game.
Trading would still be easier and quicker, but thats never reliable and owning two consoles is not a solution.
that's insanely quick.. i remember back in the day needing like 6 hours to grind one pokemon (and not accounting the 0 in atk , didn't even bother to see what it was
I really felt the things you said in the last few minutes. I also like to shiny hunt Pokemon and make a competetive team around them and while these teams aren't perfect, they are usually good enough to win me some online battles or at least make it feel like I have a team. However, especially in s&v I just don't know what to use my newest team for. Online battles just make me compete against people with a team full of legendaries, while I only have one and the battlerules only cover special Pokemon over all by allowing them or not allowing them. So if I want to use my beloved Lugia in a competitive team, the game just throws me against players with 3 legendaries or more. I just wish we had something like the battletower, where you can fight with your Team, against really good NPCs and get prices/ a mark for your Team after completing the Battletower
i miss the old intro with the feraligatr cry
we got an OG here lol
I don't know why, but why did you get Zacian from the Safari Zone Warden? (But seriously, how did he get it, it's not an Oddish!)
These time grind are also that amount of time when you know how it works. There's also the barrier of entry of having to learn what every single one of these things is and how they work in each game.
first off im gonna say this are all like super valid points, and I agree it's very grindy as someone who can't build teams because i lost my copy of sword/shield and have like no time off.
That being said i think the franchise is partially a monster raiser franchise, like digimon and monster rancher, but to a lesser extent, getting everything immediately would defeat the purpose (but it's kinda defeated by the fact you can't really do anything with the raising other than fight other people, so yeah they should bring back the battle frontier stuff)
i know the point of these vids is the excessively stupid cost & effort required to get your foot in the competitive door, but it's still so satisfying to watch these because the actual raising of pokemon -- not building the teams, battling, shiny hunting, or catching/collecting -- is my favourite thing to do in the games.
Building competitive teams honestly sounds so much easier than it was back when I actually built on cart in Gen 6. It's just the pay to win nature that is obnoxious. And it wouldn't matter all that much for Regulation H, which I've been much more interested in, EXCEPT for the fact that Ursaluna Bloodmoon is in the format. Why did it have to be Bloodmoon? Why doesn't that get to count as a legendary, when Battle Bond Greninja does count?
I like your solution at the end. The threefold plan pretty much works.
My personal defense for there still being any teambuilding at all is because theres still value in bringing a competetive team you made. Theres some level of satisfaction there, and imo thats one of the only reasons to play an official release as opposed to showdown if you're just interested in competetive.
However making Pokemon harder to train but then making that training only really necessary for post game content like Battle Facilities still works well. It is the best way to have our cake and eat it too under the scenario that pvp becomes sliders
I think it’s worth noting that most legendaries are available for free if you transfer them from raids in Pokemon Go. The problem there is that legendaries are locked to having a minimum attack IV of 20, so if you want to be perfectly optimal then it doesn’t work for special attacking legendaries. Zamazenta would be fair game though.
Of course this is another band-aid solution. Some important Pokemon (like Calyrex) are still not available, and it’s up to Niantic whether the Pokemon you want is available or not. Still, it’s at least an option for reducing the number of games you need to buy
the real problem is go is cringe
@@imablisy Haha can’t argue with that
Go also has a lot of limitations: IRL travel, limited raid passes, needing an active community, limited transfers, ect...
@@1BlueYoshi not every pokemon needs a 0IV in Attack, I see some people do it for all their special attackers and it’s completely unnecessary. You hardly see Foul Play
problem with raids is that you need an active community of friends of at least 6-7 people to do legendary raids properly (and this is coming from someone who IS NOT from the US, where apparently most of the go community is located), if you either don´t have friends or have very few friends that play go (like me), you are on a bit of a screw up. And even then some limitations are that you can only get one free pass per day, meaning that if you fail the raid, you have to waste real money for a premium pass OR waiting for the next day, and also that raid pokemon are in rotation constantly, so you have to wait WEEKS just to probably see the legendary you need on raids
Thank you for uploading videos like this. As someone who wants to do competitive Pokémon, it makes me happy to see how it is all done, so thank you for putting your time into building teams for your friends. It is so helpful!!
great video Bliss! worlds made me really want to try VGC. I have 2 kids and a buncha debt i’m trying to pay down. life hits hard sometimes and it’s bogus that i can’t use pokemon from pokemon go cause i don’t have the unlocked pokédex. also can’t get other pokemon cause of DLC. shits ruff
lol my obsession in this game is building and breeding minmaxed perfect pokemon. I do not battle at all.
Yeah, can’t defend not having Calyrex in the SV DLC, but still including the horses.
Id be more worried about travel and lodging costs to play vgc than the price of the games. Before you can even think about playing vgc you gotta pay the logistical costs which can be ridiculous. Ill never play vgc id rather save up money for a nice vacation instead. Also if you hack you do so at your own risk.
I like how Scarlet/Violet made the EV training process easier in ways and lowered the bottle cap level req. While I don't play competitively, so a 0 phys attack / 0 spe attack IV isn't a focus for me, I get a lot of shards from terra raids, more than enough to change the tera type. When it comes to game ownership though, you're so right about the cost. Long term what you want is the copy of a game with the expansion pass on it.
These are real insightful and really interesting videos to peer into what actually goes into making a vgc team, and as someone interested in maybe getting into it, big fan!
Some day I hope we get something like Rusted Bottle Caps to set IVs to 0
They set up such an obvious push to get people to get the other games, then Luca Ceribelli went and won with a team that can be entirely caught in Violet plus DLC. I feel like this will only encourage Game Freak to keep doing this, however.
you dont like that he proved that this game isnt ptw? question do you just like to have stuff to complain about?
@slipsquid3797 Complain? I'm trying to compliment him, I'm impressed and glad
@@sarkath77 oh mb the end of your comment made me think you though it was bad that he won
@slipsquid3797 No, that's more aimed at gamefreak and their refusal to see the accessibility problems of certain competitive pokemon, such as Hisuian starters, Creselia, the Forces of Nature, Calyrex, etc. I'm very impressed with Luka's victory, specifically because it's entirely with pokemon that can be caught in a single copy of Violet + DLC
@@sarkath77 I think that the accessibility problem comes from the meta and how people are hyper focused on what is seen as good that they ignore the clear things in front of them. I can't really agree with that when 1. Other good Pokemon are there 2. Gf expects that fans of the game will have the older games which makes sense 3. If you don't want to buy the games trading is an option( thanks to cheaters tho it is way Risker to do this sadly not even casuals are safe).
If Pokemon truly made it to where it was almost impossible to get the Pokemon then I'd just say to change the rules to accommodate. But as it stands now they're good solution to this problem.
"people who want to play competitively already have every game" is wild. everyone has a first pokemon game and for many of them it's the newest one
@@brie1619 yep it’s so crazy!
There is probably a far larger existing player base than what SV added to it.
@@xenocide1307 Sword and Shield sold 1 million copies more than SV so there is a larger amount existing players than new ones. There probably more people who own both Sword/Shield and SV than people who just owns SV. It doesn't really matter though since trading is a thing (just find a good community to help you out).
Once you've beaten the main story, it should take MINUTES to get a competitive team ready, not HOURS. We live in a world where showdown exists. (And showdown exists because of this problem.)
I would love to see them either 1.) add an official online battle simulator in-game, 2.) allow us to complete customize our own Pokemon in the post-game to the same extent that a simulator would, or 3.) reduce the complexity of the Pokemon themselves. Remove some or all of the following: IV's, EV's, egg moves, hidden abilities, etc. In other words find some kind of middle ground between how simple things were in Gens 1-2 and how complex things are now. The less random elements we need to account for, the quicker and more accessible getting competitive pokemon will be.
As an person who used to hack vgc teams since early scarlet and violet, however after my switch online was gone, so i have to actually do the team building myself, it was long to bulid to train all of my mons, however i finally finish the team.
At least regulation H will be cheaper in way? assuming you can get regular mons, tms and evolving items from trades with people and asking for help to evolve legend arceus mons, BM ursaluna should be the only one that cant be obtained in a fresh file with no dlc, or im missing someone?
Starters are still a pain.
@@zxb995511 Yes and no, spend some time doing wonder trades and you'll get a bunch of starters.
To be fair, Archaludon and BM Ursaluna are both >10% usage for Reg H preview atm. They'll be popular picks for the format.
@@SirenXD. True, but even them, just the game and dlc is cheaper than now.
A perk for completing the dex could be a showdown like pokemon editor
I thought you where doing a giveaway for white 1 XD at 23:15
One thing I’ve noticed since at least SwSh is that needing a 0 IV seems to be more required since Gen 8 than previous Gens. Maybe I just finally took notice, but I really feel like there should be a reverse of Hyper Training to dip an IV down to 0. Or just change Hyper Training to allow you to pick an IV between 0 and 31 by using a cap. That and I still say that, even if a Pokémon is allowed in the region, tournaments/ranked should only allow anything with a dex number to be used. Just my two cents on it, but I’m not a hyper competitive player, especially this Gen.
I think there’s two routes gamefreak can do to remedy this problem. Either make a simulator for competitive play that allows you to obtain every Pokémon and train them relatively swiftly, or restrict the list of legal Pokémon to only the ones available in the current game.
I'm currently getting back into VGC mostly because the upcoming Regulation H doesn't allow legendaries at all, so all the Pokémon in the format are (relatively) easy to obtain. Though, I didn't play Scarlet all the way through when it came out (only just went back and finished it the other week) and I never got the DLC (will maybe do so at a later date but not right now), so I'm still at kind of a disadvantage.
Some of my suggestions as to what GameFreak should do in future games to make acquiring competitively viable Pokémon easier:
- Include ways to encounter all past legendaries in the base games on release, keep the version exclusives for all I care but please just add this. and also please don't make them annoying like the ultra wormholes in Gen7
- Include ways to make legendaries and other static encounters reappear even if you have already caught them
- Add a Rusty Bottlecap, that works just like the normal Bottlecap except it reduces the selected stat to 0
- Please, for the love of god, please bring back the daycare. This picnic shit is ridiculous.
- Include official ways to make vitamins and PP Ups easy to acquire without having to money grind for hours
- If there is some kind of resource comparable to Tera Shards in this game, just make those accessible in some way as well. No more mindless raid grinding pls
Oh man, as someone who loves to use Trick Room I FELT that bit about a Rusty Bottle Cap.
Good news is, it's actually insanely easy to grind money and Tera shards in the DLC. In Teal Mask you get a charm that dramatically increases the Tera Shards you receive after Raid Battles, and in Indigo Disk there's this weird machine where you put in those pokemon materials and it spits out all kinds of items including nuggets, bottle caps, leftovers, evolution stones, etc. You can get a ton of money from this thing from just grinding against Chansey who give lots of Exp. and Hp Evs so you get a lot out of them very quickly.
Legendaries are not allowed,but bloodmoon is, and is top tier
Instructions unclear, you now need 500 shards to change tera type
I was a picnic hater, but it's better than the daycare system I think. I'd rather afk than have to walk in circles to get eggs.
I don't think it is pay to win. And i feel like "pay to win" has been thrown around frequently just because people don't like that game have version exclusive pokemon and pokemon that exclusive to DLC. New pokemon introduced for the DLC is a way to interest fans into buying the DLC which is a good business decision. Is is a pain for those that don't want to spend money for another game or DLC? Yes but I feel it is a bit much to call it pay to win. My opinion though.
I am of the opinion that all Pokemon that are useable in a current regulation should be attainable in that ccurrent set of games (Scarlet and Violet in this case), its so scummy otherwise, they make more than enough money as it is. I suppose if you're a top player you could just build a good team with all accessible mons on Sc/Vi, and exclude those others as they aren't 100% needed for every team, but all should have the option regardless imo.
Excellent vid as always. I made it a point when I started playing competitively at the end of Sword and Shield to replay my old games and start building a collection of 0 atk and 0 speed IV legends where applicable. Now I have a pool that I can just immediately pull from to build a team for myself or loan to friends. People definitely shouldn't be expected to be able to do this though, especially since there are plenty of even newer players just getting started now.
5:52 Fun Fact: You can complete the story of The Crown Tundra as soon as you're able to take the train near the start of the game, BUT the game does NOT let you battle Calyrex until you're the Champion, so you're gonna have to beat the game regardless if you want to catch Calyrex.
so insane lol. Big error by me!
you're spot on with what you said at the end. i've always ranted about how a showdown style builder for online play should be a thing since team grinding simply isn't a part of the competitive experience, but you made a great point that building a great team can be really fun and it's important to give us an actual reason to do that. as it stands the games are a complete joke in terms of difficulty and have no endgame content that requires optimal teams, so even if the grind was enjoyable or shorter it's only relevant to competitive players anyway who are the only ones who really shouldn't have to do it. that paradox just makes gamefreak's lazy attitude really obvious, they don't put any real care into the experience of their players, all they're interested in is throwing together a semi-functional game that sells copies. this isn't just a problem for competitive players, it's bad game design that negatively affects everyone who plays these games
man, this RNG stuff that you do, is no like really counterintuitive to the video's proposal, beacause if the video is "How nintendo want" the RNG should be part of the game, also not everyone know RNG manupulation exists in pokemon game, I only know beacause of your videos, but if I need to do that, we probably be impossible to me, that would have to learn from 0, my first language is not english(which explains my writing mistakes) which makes it extremely difficult for me to learn these techniques. I know the idea here is to see it from the perspective of pro players and for those who want to make the first team for a tournament and have no knowledge of RNG control. My idea is not to speak badly of your video, just to bring up another point.
It's still cheating. This guy just wants to make ot sound like it's not.
Imagine doing this without being a master rng manipulator
@0:15 Outstanding sales pitch! Kudos 💯
Y'know, something I've realized of late is that whenever folks are thinking about a hypothetical "Anti-Hyper Training" for zeroing an IV, it's basically unanimously agreed that the item to do it would be a "Rusty Bottle Cap"
But the thing is I don't think it'd be something that the usual Hyper Training guy would be able to do? At least if we abide by in-universe rules
Hyper Training basically puts a 'mon through such an intense workout that they become just as good in a stat as a 'mon that was born genetically perfect in that stat
But that begs the question of how the hell would one do an intense workout that makes you _worse?_
Personally, I don't think there should be a new Bottle Cap type per se, but instead just some dedicated "Hyper Sloth" [for lack of a better name] guy that, ideally, is always near the Hyper Train guy who also uses the two Bottle Cap types there currently are
And maybe his schtick is he can cook meals that are so insanely unhealthy that it makes a "trained" stat be the same as a 'mon that is the genetic worst for that stat [aka, 0IV]
Medali has a chef that can make meals capable of changing a Tera-type, after all, I'm sure that'd be just as possible
Although that said, obviously in a perfect world the Hyper Train guy could instead just let us precisely Hyper Train to any given IV amount as needed, not just all or nothing, as there's historically been a handful of sets in VGC that needed some wacky IV numbers, after all
That is, unfortunately, just a pipe dream however, as the idea of precisely going for specific IV numbers would mean the games would have to actually tell us real numbers and Game Freak is deathly allergic to actually giving real explanations to the deeper mechanics of Pokemon, forcing anyone who's even slightly interested about them to have to look towards unofficial online resources to understand things
I’m always surprised that they don’t have a native version of PKHex that allows someone to craft their team for matches easily.
Now imagine building a team without former knowledge or a real game plan.
EDIT: Or without knowing anybody in the community to help you out.
Just imagining the pain of someone getting into competitive VGC this year. It hurts
That's basically every competitive community that has this much depth in there game: you won't get very far trying to figure everything out on your own.
@@xenocide1307 I've played several other games and Pokemon is probably the worst. It's completely aids. Cancer balls, even.
Wait are people *actually* comparing VGC to professional sports???? Are... are they stupid???
I'm sorry if this sounds stupid but where could I see this sheet with the dates and times for each item I would like the item printer to give me? I dont seem to see which of this description links it is exactly. Thanks in advance :)
New meta: The No E tournament. Rules: No pokemon, items, moves or abilities with the letter E in it. You can be types with an E (fire/water/electric/steel/etc), but that's it.