Building a 486 DOS PC with an ISA Single Board Computer & Backplane

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  • Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2020
  • Assembling a 100MHz Intel 486 DX4 system inside a neat little Baby AT computer case from the mid-90s! I've been wanting to build an MS-DOS PC around an ISA SBC for a long time now, so let's get to it and play some DOS games.
    ● LGR links:
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    / lazygamereviews
    ● Specs of the finished machine:
    100 megahertz Intel 486-DX4 CPU
    HS-5x86HVGA ISA SBC Card
    IEI PICMG PCI-8S 8-slot Backplane
    16MB 72-pin SIMM RAM
    512MB HyperDisk IDE Disk On Module (replaced with CF adapter)
    Cirrus Logic CL-GD54M30 graphics chipset
    Creative Sound Blaster 16 MCD ASP sound card
    1.44MB Sony 3.5" diskette drive
    360K Toshiba 5.25" floppy drive
    48x Lite-On IDE CD-ROM drive
    Generic beige Baby AT tower case
    230W AT power supply
    ● Music courtesy of:
    www.epidemicsound.com
    #LGR #Computer #Build
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  • @dabeamer42
    @dabeamer42 3 года назад +455

    Ah, the nostalgia...especially the IDE conflicts

    • @m8528
      @m8528 3 года назад +23

      Ahh, setting the sound blaster was a pain in the a...

    • @m8528
      @m8528 3 года назад +17

      And using game/midi port on the sound card...

    • @alejandroalzatesanchez
      @alejandroalzatesanchez 3 года назад +6

      I only have 16 years old and i'm right too xd messing around with this men yeah. The ide and his ( *BEEP* ) 40 pins don't forget the startup beep of the most machines windows errors the bsod and so one

    • @SW0000A
      @SW0000A 3 года назад +5

      I would have just hooked the cd through the sound card.

    • @pmgodfrey
      @pmgodfrey 3 года назад +1

      @@m8528 -- I'd spend so much time going through DMA and IRQ conflicts because "just one more card". lol

  • @Loopy1330
    @Loopy1330 3 года назад +344

    "Will this run on my 486?" -That one guy from Half-Life 2's E3 2003 demo

    • @parishna4882
      @parishna4882 3 года назад +5

      Will crysis run it?

    • @OnionChoppingNinja
      @OnionChoppingNinja 3 года назад +46

      but his spreadsheet ran so well.

    • @Dan-TechAndMusic
      @Dan-TechAndMusic 3 года назад +9

      @Apple Yes, there's a video of that E3 demo on RUclips.

    • @dewdop
      @dewdop 3 года назад

      I’m guessing the answer is probably no

    • @parishna4882
      @parishna4882 3 года назад +3

      I feeel bad for that comment, and I should feeel bad... :(

  • @kcgeil
    @kcgeil 3 года назад +70

    I remember the DX4-100 chips were being described as the "poor mans pentium".
    Impressive chips but they suffered heat problems that made a cpu cooling fan necessary, which made a lot of techies nervous at the time.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 2 года назад +8

      DX4-120 133 were slightly;y faster than the P60 and P70 and a lot cheaper, Pentiums did 1.5 instructions per clock cycle, DX 486 1.5 clocks to an instruction.
      so P90- and 100 were faster. also the first P60 70 pentiums were not upgradable,

    • @phyrr2
      @phyrr2 Год назад +3

      In relation to the other person who answered, those of us who went to the DX4 120's didn't have any problems that I know of. With mine I was able to skip the 1st generation Pentium 60/66 to a Pentium II 233mhz without any headaches in between.

    • @bakuganfox
      @bakuganfox 7 месяцев назад

      and we have tower just to cool cpu

  • @noelsherron
    @noelsherron 3 года назад +71

    8:05 I think its just fine leaving it yellowed. I prefer retro-bright with iconic hardware that is to be kept more as a show piece; to give us a sense of 'this is what it was like when it was new'. But for projects like this, the yellow gives it a sense of seniority, a look earned from years of service.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 2 года назад +15

      A gentle clean with warm water and soap is a good thing, gets the nicotine and bio-grime off.

    • @snarkasticdouche3863
      @snarkasticdouche3863 Год назад +5

      ​@@joefish6091*FOOD*

  • @xanshark
    @xanshark 3 года назад +107

    I like the how the black buttons and drives against the beige case look

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond 3 года назад +83

    Clever move with the black drives. Spares you matching 50 shades of yellowed beige.

    • @vamwolf
      @vamwolf 3 года назад +1

      He does like his cables......

  • @101wut2
    @101wut2 3 года назад +637

    My wife caught me watching this video and said, "oh god, you're starting a new project aren't you?" Damn right, I am.

    • @brandonstevens6886
      @brandonstevens6886 3 года назад +21

      sounds about right XD

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 3 года назад +18

      The only person I have to answer that question to is myself but it's still a poignant one.

    • @ominous-omnipresent-they
      @ominous-omnipresent-they 3 года назад +15

      More the reason to never get married.

    • @francoisnel5253
      @francoisnel5253 3 года назад +13

      Why do all wives have to make such derrogatry comments, instead of being uplifting & supportive.

    • @francoisnel5253
      @francoisnel5253 3 года назад +16

      @@ominous-omnipresent-they women enjoy breaking down mens dreams somehow. It's sick that narcissim is so accepted by men.

  • @djhaloeight
    @djhaloeight 3 года назад +26

    DMA and IDE conflicts...brings me right back!

  • @calvinrempel
    @calvinrempel 3 года назад +71

    Top Bay is an ESSS (Emergency Sandwich Storage System)

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 года назад +10

      nope, under bay for the sarnies, top flip out drive for the coffee cup

  • @zaclaramay
    @zaclaramay 3 года назад +32

    The black front... looks so good.

    • @zarkeh3013
      @zarkeh3013 3 года назад

      yea!
      maybe simply retro-bright it and be done

  • @Quickened1
    @Quickened1 3 года назад +37

    Remember the day when you played those games and you didn't know what was around the next corner!? Good times...

  • @KITPUNK
    @KITPUNK 3 года назад +85

    Seeing the size of that board makes me want to see the smallest possible 486 build. Would be cool to have a micro 486 / Win95 machine.

    • @JerkfaceMcGee
      @JerkfaceMcGee 2 года назад

      Idk if you'll see this - but LGR gotcha -> ruclips.net/video/USHvvSbYmJA/видео.html

    • @weepingscorpion8739
      @weepingscorpion8739 2 года назад +4

      I know there are backplanes as small as just 3 or 4 ISA slots. But maybe you could run the SBC alone? That'd be interesting to see.

    • @faillepatte
      @faillepatte 2 года назад +5

      @@weepingscorpion8739 Actually I have a 2 slot ISA SBC build with a socket 370 mobo. If there's enough interest I'll make a video

    • @uiopuiop3472
      @uiopuiop3472 2 года назад +1

      i was just doing the deed with my gsd female

    • @cdwilliams1
      @cdwilliams1 2 года назад +4

      Lookup the video for the WeeCee DOS PC :-)

  • @dnsoulx
    @dnsoulx 3 года назад +49

    you know, everytime i watch these i feel like my pc knowledge is on par and i'm like "ah yes the bibbledoo plugs into the diplorp" and then i open up a pc and take 20 minute to remove a hard drive

    • @sadmac356
      @sadmac356 3 года назад +4

      Honestly same. Sometimes the hard drive takes me less than 5 minutes to remove, but that really depends on how the case is designed

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 года назад +6

      The worst part is something those cases can be sharp inside. I really hate that!

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 года назад +8

      Messing about inside a PC always takes longer that you think. Just remember that you're watching an edited video :)

    • @dnsoulx
      @dnsoulx 3 года назад +2

      @@vivanecrosis i was messing with this 2006 compaq and the case was full of sharp angles and this dumb protective case for the drive chambers, my hands... my POOR HANDS

    • @gz3zbz
      @gz3zbz 3 года назад +3

      The bibbledoo doesn't plug into the diplorp, what planet are you from? Kids these days...

  • @NielsPaul
    @NielsPaul 3 года назад +351

    "Oh man!. I wiped away food for no good reason"
    Quarantine in a nutshell

    • @PlastiGomi
      @PlastiGomi 3 года назад +9

      what a funny joke good sir
      take this bullet gold

    • @BrainSlugs83
      @BrainSlugs83 3 года назад +2

      "but it made him feel good."

    • @BigboiiTone
      @BigboiiTone 3 года назад +2

      A deadly virus is a good enough reason you can't go out to the bar. Drink at home

    • @BigboiiTone
      @BigboiiTone 3 года назад +6

      @@joetheman74 that's not the issue. Its never been an issue of muh freedoms. It's you guys imagining more stuff and ruining life for everyone else

    • @WintrBorn
      @WintrBorn 3 года назад +9

      @@joetheman74 my right to health surpasses your right to be a douche. We'd be done with this foolishness if you toddlers had thought about others for just one second.

  • @jaredvv86
    @jaredvv86 3 года назад +24

    I was really surprised how well I like that black-on-beige look. I thought that would look weird, but I really like it. I don't know if maybe its because the yellowing of the plastic or what.

    • @eaglemaster7
      @eaglemaster7 2 года назад +2

      because it's remind us the beauty of IBM PC/XT but in vertical case. all Floppy is black not beige back then, I even feel a bit strange to see beige floppy on IBM PC, like something didn't right

  • @HangmanOfficialUploads
    @HangmanOfficialUploads 3 года назад +34

    We'll never forgive you for wiping away FOOD, Clint.

  • @Aggs_TV
    @Aggs_TV 3 года назад +206

    I think the "FOOD" label was trying to tell you where to feed the PC.
    ...I think the computer is a Mimic.

    • @cryptc
      @cryptc 3 года назад +34

      I walked into a tavern with a sword and the bartender asked 'why do you carry a sword in here?' 'Mimics' I said... the bartender laughed, I laughed, the table laughed, we killed the table... good times

    • @DeadPollo
      @DeadPollo 3 года назад +8

      if it was Google Chrome it would scream "feed me your RAM!"

    • @whoshotdk
      @whoshotdk 3 года назад +6

      Wouldn't be surprised if it was an old school computer - in the school I used to work at, teachers tended to label everything with their department name (i.e Food Technology) in order to see when another teacher nicked their stuff.

    • @WolfePaws
      @WolfePaws 3 года назад +3

      @Captain Falcon Filthy metagaming!

    • @CoreDreamStudios
      @CoreDreamStudios 3 года назад

      anemic you mean?

  • @davidcain3752
    @davidcain3752 3 года назад +62

    I recommend not connecting the LED directly to that power connector. Depending on what that is for, it may not limit the current which will cause your LED to fail quickly. If you put a simple 220 or 470 ohm resistor in series that should work fine
    Edit: lol just made it to the edit 🤣

    • @bobblum5973
      @bobblum5973 3 года назад +9

      The problem is that there are some cases that used a basic LED, while others had a discrete resistor soldered to the LED then covered with heatshrink tubing or an LED with integrated resistor. Like the differences in power switches he pointed out, plenty of variations to keep things "interesting". 😉

  • @Outofthedust
    @Outofthedust 3 года назад +11

    These are literally just before my time and I love seeing how they worked. I know of them and have seen them but was too young to know what I was looking at. I love learning about them. My first PC build when I was a kid was a Pentium MMX back in the mid 90s and I was just learning about PCs then.

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 3 года назад +10

    Thanks, Clint, seeing you work on older hardware always brings back memories for me.
    Many years ago, roughly late '80s/early '90s, at work I supported VAX minicomputers running the VMS OS. We had lots of people on VT-220 terminals able to access them, as well as VMS graphic workstations. But PCs weren't common. We ended up getting what looked like a desktop XT/AT case, inside of which was a passive backplane and up to eight single board ISA PCs, 386s I think but could have even been 286s. By running a program on the VAX you could connect across the LAN to one of the virtual PCs and run DOS applications. No graphics supported unfortunately, all DOS 3.1. I spent quite a while writing some custom help files for the VMS side, and had to work out licensing tricks for the DOS applications: ChartMaster, SignMaster, DiagramMaster. I think we had IBM DisplayWrite 3 or 4 for word processing, and Lotus 123 for spreadsheets. Lots of fun with mapping PC drive letters to files and directories on the VAX.
    Of course, after all that effort, it barely got used, as more PCs started showing up!

  • @buttguy
    @buttguy 3 года назад +516

    hey perfect. I can avoid working for another 37 minutes.

    • @PlastiGomi
      @PlastiGomi 3 года назад +18

      god can these comments die already?
      so sick of seeing the same spam 30 times on every video
      we get it video long long video video long

    • @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis
      @mikethedigitaldoctorjarvis 3 года назад +9

      @@PlastiGomiYep,along with the *First* comments too !

    • @gavinthesniper4465
      @gavinthesniper4465 3 года назад +1

      I agree happy thanksgiving

    • @robinbrowne5419
      @robinbrowne5419 3 года назад +2

      Me too. He he he.

    • @buttguy
      @buttguy 3 года назад +8

      @@PlastiGomi huh? I probably would have left the same comment if the video was 4 minutes. Main point was this content is more important to me than whatever I’m supposed to actually be doing.

  • @hikariyouk
    @hikariyouk 3 года назад +156

    I wouldn't be surprised if that case was originally being used for a POS in a cafe or something.

    • @DutchmanDavid
      @DutchmanDavid 3 года назад +45

      POS = Point of Sale, not "piece of !@#$", methinks. Seeing the context of hardware and all that.

    • @ImpetuouslyInsane
      @ImpetuouslyInsane 3 года назад +45

      @@DutchmanDavid Meh, most POS's are POS's, so there's still a general consensus on that one.

    • @TheRealColBosch
      @TheRealColBosch 3 года назад +16

      I could see that, but I also suspect that "FOOD" was a password of some kind. These two suspicions are not mutually incompatible, of course.

    • @WackyWRZ
      @WackyWRZ 3 года назад +2

      Maybe a cash register at Food Lion?

    • @hikariyouk
      @hikariyouk 3 года назад

      @@ImpetuouslyInsane Yeah, when I worked in retail in my younger years, at ESCOM in the UK before they went under, we just used one of our own systems to run the POS.

  • @xDJxGNOMx
    @xDJxGNOMx 3 года назад +7

    honestly, it's just so satisfying to see your channelname and below it just says 1.44M it just absolutely fits

  • @KhadKjunn
    @KhadKjunn 3 года назад +9

    That is actually the exact same case of my first PC ! Where I have played Doom II , Duke Nukem 3D , Tomb Raider and many more. If I remember correctly the CPU was Pentium 100 and people were losing their shit after 486 CPUs. Oh man thanks for this unexpected Nostalgia hit Clint.

    • @gormless-idiot
      @gormless-idiot Год назад +1

      Did you also write "food" on one of the front drive bay covers?

  • @wraithcadmus
    @wraithcadmus 3 года назад +112

    Get a couple more and some way to network them together "in the box" and have a portable Duke-Match in a box.

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 года назад +13

      Was considering doing that with Quake and a bunch of Pi 4's... Though Duke is an option these days.

    • @KenjiUmino
      @KenjiUmino 3 года назад +15

      pretty much like the "7 gamers, 1 system" thing that linus built a couple years ago but without the need for virtual machines - all 7 gamers could play duke 3d "on the metal"

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 года назад +7

      @@KenjiUmino the pi's using eDuke, so it's still running natively on the hardware.
      I'm not sure how practical having multiple SBCs with this backplane is, because you have multiple CPUs sharing a single ISA bus, though creating a custom backplane that has several separated ISA buses that just share power rails should be feasible.
      You could also simplify the setup somewhat by finding SBCs that also have integrated audio, video and network, which would allow you to bypass the need for an ISA bus at all.
      Finding all that with vintage hardware though... I presume you can see why I thought to use the Pi instead :D

    • @TheTurnipKing
      @TheTurnipKing 3 года назад +3

      @@KenjiUmino the trick to the 7 gamers system is that it was one CPU with more cores and GPUs, divided into individual machines using virtualization.

    • @master74200
      @master74200 3 года назад +1

      @@TheTurnipKing Even though they'd be sharing that backplane, that appears to mostly be for expansion and power, not so much for any data transmission, so that at least should lend itself to being possibly to run several "bare-metal" systems on their own, all sharing nothing but power.

  • @BillyBuerger
    @BillyBuerger 3 года назад +94

    We have a pair of very old servers at work that use these kind of SBCs with a big backplane that fills the whole back side of the rack mount server chassis. Don't recall the exact specs of what's on them. I'm guessing Pentium something. But these SBCs have both the ISA and PCI connectors on them. We will never be using these again so I could pull one if you are interested. I can get the full specs next week when I stop by the office next. Let me know if you are interested.

    • @blueviper1099
      @blueviper1099 3 года назад +25

      You should email him, he'll probaby see it there.

    • @dozern
      @dozern 3 года назад +5

      Very nice of you :) And if you have several, I'd be up for buying one from you, given that the price isn't too extravagant.

    • @wishusknight3009
      @wishusknight3009 3 года назад +8

      @Bob Ross SBC's like this are generally very conservative in their performance. They will fall behind a typical consumer level mainboard by about %20 or so. I have a system with a few different SBC's I can plug in from 386 all the way to Core 2. And its neat to play with and doesn't need much space but don't expect the usual performance from them. Things are timed very slack.

    • @MrDuncl
      @MrDuncl 3 года назад +2

      @@wishusknight3009 Designed to run in something like a Cashpoint machine where reliability is far more important than speed, and there is no need for a "Turbo" button.

  • @lifeonlowbatteries8153
    @lifeonlowbatteries8153 3 года назад +18

    Watching in the middle of the night so Clint’s smooth voice can lull me back to sleep.

  • @menhirmike
    @menhirmike 3 года назад +7

    Man, that Tower case brought back memories, back before someone had the genius idea of detachable side panels. The breakouts for extra COM/LPT ports also reminded me of the good ol' days when it was a rite of passage to get a bloody scratch any time you worked inside the PC.

  • @bryanfitzgerald95
    @bryanfitzgerald95 3 года назад +32

    Love it, the ambiance in your videos are somewhat so relaxing and homey

    • @firenicey7319
      @firenicey7319 3 года назад +6

      Yep the chill music and him talking. Almost makes you want to get some soft clothes on and relax with a whiskey or coffee

    • @HontasFarmer80
      @HontasFarmer80 3 года назад +1

      @@firenicey7319 His voice is part of it.

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 года назад +1

      I so read that as honey. Relaxing and Honey, could totally be a thing, not sure what kind of thing, but hey :D

    • @rick-deckard
      @rick-deckard 3 года назад

      Agreed, its so comforting

    • @scottdotjazzman
      @scottdotjazzman 3 года назад +1

      Did you know that m can sometimes look like rn when read quickly?

  • @vwestlife
    @vwestlife 3 года назад +982

    FOOD

  • @MrValz0
    @MrValz0 3 года назад +176

    PC Case: "Do you bleed?"
    "You will."

    • @trevorpomroy550
      @trevorpomroy550 3 года назад +6

      I heard that 'you will' in Yodas Empire voice.

  • @DarshanSTUDIOS
    @DarshanSTUDIOS 3 года назад +4

    Ah yay! Another 486 Dos pc build. Thank you! Have been waiting for a retro build like this!!

  • @aaronblair9583
    @aaronblair9583 3 года назад +35

    I've had a horrible, stressful...soul crushing!day...
    I have never been Soo happy to see a notification pop up. Seriously, began crying and had a huge weight lifted off my chest. Thank you

    • @teroe2322
      @teroe2322 3 года назад

      Me too

    • @Shotblur
      @Shotblur 3 года назад +1

      You wanna talk about it

    • @vivanecrosis
      @vivanecrosis 3 года назад +1

      That is some strong moments right there. I hope all works out well for you :D

    • @aaronblair9583
      @aaronblair9583 3 года назад +6

      @@Shotblur naw, I appreciate it tho. I'm a caregiver, work in end of life care. Just had my hours cut, losing my heath insurance. And a global pandemic has killed 12 people I know.
      And it was thanksgiving

    • @nicksalvatore5717
      @nicksalvatore5717 3 года назад +2

      @@aaronblair9583 you have my condolences. people out there care! I really hope things improve

  • @friendlywizard6462
    @friendlywizard6462 3 года назад +14

    28:22 ah what a bummer I saw a full length VLB styled 486/Pentium SBC like this one at car boot earlier this year! Did'nt buy it as I was not sure what it connected too but now I know! Great video!

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 2 года назад

      That kind of setup is called "PICMG" (I've found out about this because I'm starting an SBC build myself and may have another one down the line as well). On older systems like this it's just a stacked ISA/PCI combo slot but on newer, PCIe-based systems the slot is something unique (I thought it was like a double-stacked PCIe x16 slot but it's more different than that).
      Also long SBCs like this are a BITCH to fit into a case. I'm actually going to need to mod the case this SBC project is going into (need to cut out a section of the HDD rails) and it's a friggin' full tower EATX-compatible case (which I went with because I have an 8-slot backplane, which is one too many for a conventional mid-tower)!

  • @jgilbertoribeiro
    @jgilbertoribeiro 3 года назад +7

    I was a teen when at that computer´s time. It was so hard to make everything works. When windows 95 came with plug and play feature was a revolution.

    • @weswes10
      @weswes10 3 года назад +4

      You mean Plug and PRAY...

  • @raphaelventura8465
    @raphaelventura8465 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for your video. You have no idea how it brought me some great memories and how relaxing it is to watch you building and configuring it.

  • @chillhour6155
    @chillhour6155 3 года назад +9

    The black on beige looks really good to be honest, reminds of those old tandys

    • @quazznorm1777
      @quazznorm1777 3 года назад

      Thanks. I knew it reminded me of some sort of old computer, but I couldn't exactly figure out what it specifically reminded me off till I saw your comment.

  • @Pub2k4
    @Pub2k4 3 года назад +70

    The “Food” cover reminds me of seeing people use their CD-ROM drives as cup holders

    • @BilisNegra
      @BilisNegra 3 года назад +3

      Hey, it ain't nice to poke fun at the mentally impaired, dude :P

  • @chrism7541
    @chrism7541 3 года назад +3

    Glad you enjoy Clint! Happy to see a full computer built from one of these. Mine has a cpu fan as they can get hot without air movement in a case and cause an occasional lockup. I have an Aztech card in mine, set on DMA 0 of course. Something on the board uses channel 1. I have a manual for these as well.

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi 3 года назад +12

    I think that the reason why the front of the case had "FOOD" written on it, was that it was likely used in an industrial kitchen of some kind.

  • @battra92
    @battra92 3 года назад +65

    Never underestimate the lengths businesses will go to keep old software running.

    • @nslouka90
      @nslouka90 3 года назад +12

      battra92 see the IRS

    • @handlesarefeckinstupid
      @handlesarefeckinstupid 3 года назад +6

      Except apple. You got that, you screwed.

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 года назад +3

      All the power to them! Fuck modern pcs

    • @yaroslavkizyma2370
      @yaroslavkizyma2370 3 года назад +5

      If it works - don’t touch it.

    • @rcmero
      @rcmero 3 года назад +16

      Case in point, French airport terminals are still running Windows 3.1 to this day.

  • @SandsOfArrakis
    @SandsOfArrakis 3 года назад +57

    The food thing indicates where you need to slide in CD-ROMs for the PC to munch on.

  • @MrStato355
    @MrStato355 3 года назад +1

    Nice work Clint, always love watching your videos tinkering with the old stuff. After every view I end up firing up one of my several retro rigs.

  • @patrick6350
    @patrick6350 3 года назад +24

    12:24 - Dear -5v indicator LED who illuminated briefly when first connected, I see you, you are wanted, you are loved

  • @BaumInventions
    @BaumInventions 3 года назад +47

    I think the Disk on Modules are hardwired as cable select internally and the older BIOS dont like cable select. I have the same problems with Jumperless CF card adapters and DOMs.

    • @highpath4776
      @highpath4776 3 года назад

      didnt he try a cable select cable as well ?

    • @AndrewAMartin
      @AndrewAMartin 3 года назад +8

      Back in the day, I was told that putting the HDD and CD-ROM on the same IDE channel was a no-no -- if the CD is master, you're running the hard disk at slower speed than it's capable of, and if the hard disk is master, the CD drive can't keep up. I also never used cable select... That was 25+ years ago, so take that for what it's worth :-)

    • @VintageTechFan
      @VintageTechFan 3 года назад +2

      Cable Select is really just Cable Select. The drive looks at a certain pin on the IDE cable if it's grounded or not and decides to be Master or Slave according to that. There is no difference how the drives look to the BIOS. The cable simply replaces the jumpers.

    • @VintageTechFan
      @VintageTechFan 3 года назад +2

      @@AndrewAMartin "Master" and "Slave" are misleading words, there isn't any priority at all, except for special cases during initialization (older drives sequenced their spinup to reduce load on the PSU for example).
      The main reason is that only one device can use the bus at the same time, so for fast (DMA) copy from one device to the other they have to be on different channels.

    • @JakeHambyZ80
      @JakeHambyZ80 3 года назад +1

      I think this is close to the right answer, but the disk module probably just wants to be the only device and doesn't support "master/slave" at all.

  • @Rabbit_AF
    @Rabbit_AF 3 года назад +4

    Thanks for making this video. I never knew how SBCs connected to anything. I see now, that a backplane is needed, and it makes a lot more sense.

  • @Iain_C
    @Iain_C 3 года назад +6

    Oozing nostalgia as always. I never owned a 486. I went from a 386 to a Pentium 133. Oh the excitement.

  • @FyberOptic
    @FyberOptic 3 года назад +16

    25 years later it occurs to me that Descent is basically Choplifter in space.

  • @cheesythegamer9771
    @cheesythegamer9771 3 года назад +4

    I haven’t been on this channel in months, so glad I found it again.

  • @jimgallagher6310
    @jimgallagher6310 3 года назад +5

    Loved your video. I miss working on computers like this in days gone by. Really I think the mid to late 90's were the heyday of the PC. I still have some old ISA cards and such laying around. I remember buying components at Best Buy and having them escorted to the cash registers so nobody could steal them.

  • @fapostoli
    @fapostoli 3 года назад +2

    Love this channel. Dripping with nostalgia and Clint is so very easy on the eye.

  • @ccricers
    @ccricers 3 года назад +2

    Pine Technology still exists and owns the corporate division XFX (yes, the manufacturer of graphics cards). My very first dedicated graphics card was a Pine/XFX GeForce 2 MX 400.

  • @jthorpe4droid
    @jthorpe4droid 3 года назад +46

    That's a pretty cool board, never ran into any of them in the past.

    • @robbirobson7330
      @robbirobson7330 3 года назад +12

      about 20 years ago i always used to go to the recycling center and there were tons of this single board computers like all types from 8088 to 486 and tons of back planes and other stuff but at that time i did not know what to make of it

    • @infamousacidrain
      @infamousacidrain 3 года назад +11

      You generally wouldn’t. They’re industrial, so they didn’t usually make their way into the normal waste stream for home computers. Some of them are probably still in active industrial use, running old CNC or other manufacturing hardware that is otherwise very very expensive to replace.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 года назад +5

      I see these boards all the time on Aliexpress when browsing for 486 stuff.

    • @groenekever
      @groenekever 3 года назад

      @@shadowtheimpure fot less then aliexpress you cn buy them off me

    • @sameash3153
      @sameash3153 3 года назад +2

      @@groenekever if you've got an ebay listing I'll throw some bucks your way

  • @StereoBucket
    @StereoBucket 3 года назад +13

    I'm a simple man. I see quake in thumbnail, I click.

  • @yukondave8389
    @yukondave8389 3 года назад +1

    That black in the front looks AMAZING on that case! It doesn't need anything else, it is perfect.

  • @sewerraccoon
    @sewerraccoon 3 года назад +3

    I was literally digging through some of my old boxes today and found a Sound Blaster 16. Started googling/eBaying for cheap mobos with ISA so I could play with it. Lot of results for these old SCBs. LGR has powers...

  • @artk2219
    @artk2219 3 года назад +16

    Jill and Xargon both use the same game engine, could be something with that.

  • @nomisbate
    @nomisbate 3 года назад +6

    Have to say that I like the look of the system as is without the need to wrap it to make a look a different colour.

  • @MIKESALLSURE
    @MIKESALLSURE 3 года назад +1

    Nice, that's the 1st time I heard PhilsComputerLab show up on your channel. Both your channels insight on resurrecting PC's always keep me filled with joy, and of course help with troubleshooting my own retro projects. Thanks Clint!

    • @LGR
      @LGR  3 года назад +1

      We’ve collaborated before, too!
      ruclips.net/video/9CgisEFObjA/видео.html

  • @Demosthenas
    @Demosthenas 2 года назад

    I love watching your videos especially before bed. They are really relaxing I love to immerse myself in the nostalgia of these great old machines.

  • @charlesdorval394
    @charlesdorval394 3 года назад +4

    Ah, the good old 48bits PCSA slots! ;)
    Thanks for the upload, that was a great one!
    I thought about those from time to time, never got around to getting one, now they've probably been out of my price range for a couple hours by now :P

  • @MrDbrennen
    @MrDbrennen 3 года назад +6

    Watching LGR is good for you vicariously, so you don't have to hoard old computers yourself

  • @Doobie3010
    @Doobie3010 3 года назад +1

    ‘Beige is best!’ Another fantastic watch man.Always watch these all the way through. Interesting card that.

  • @Arbiter099
    @Arbiter099 3 года назад +9

    would have left the mysterious FOOD on there personally, it adds character

  • @draketungsten74
    @draketungsten74 3 года назад +41

    5:15 the poor thing is hungry, it's begging for food.

  • @Vladimir_Kv
    @Vladimir_Kv 3 года назад +26

    That dom was too picky to Master a CD-Drive, and too proud to be a Slave ;)

  • @JPFM2509
    @JPFM2509 3 года назад +2

    Xargon.I just love this game. I played it during my childhood on computers like the one you set up. Greetings from Brazil

  • @The90sGamingGuy
    @The90sGamingGuy 3 года назад +1

    So cool to see a 486 running some classic FPS games in 2020. My dad had a 486 he ran Doom 2, Duke Nukem 3D and the expansion and some other games on it in the 90s. I played those games on it and Golden Axe on an arcade emulator. Seeing this video takes me back. I believe the graphics card he had in that pc was the 3D Voodo FX card.

  • @jamesburke2759
    @jamesburke2759 3 года назад +5

    I love how your videos are all basically a how well does it run duke 3d :D the reason i tune in often

  • @ActualCharky
    @ActualCharky 3 года назад +7

    it needs a vinyl wrap of that cheerios FOOD image texture thing from the 3d fonts video!

  • @MWrath95
    @MWrath95 2 года назад +1

    I work in an Industrial/Embedded hardware distributor as a Sales Develop Engineer. This is a great video, I've always wanted to see these boards used for commercial use. Our SBC's range with temp resistance of -20c - 80c Fanless.

  • @SuperHns
    @SuperHns 3 года назад +2

    ah 486 DX2 66 mhz, was my first Windows PC back in 1994, I remember hearing the Lion King game in DOS with SOUND BLASTER PRO, goddamn my ears just melted such crisp sound and music.

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 года назад

      The DX2 66 was also my first PC, though mine ran DOS with Windows 3.11 and OS/2 in a multi-boot setup. I loved that computer, and damn near cried when the AT PSU failed and took the board with it.

  • @sandr6769
    @sandr6769 3 года назад +30

    This PC deserves its own name, something associated with food.

  • @nicwilson89
    @nicwilson89 3 года назад +14

    20:00 You could put the disk module on the motherboard's IDE channel and possibly add in an expansion card giving you more IDE channels for the drive if you wanted?

    • @jensonchoy
      @jensonchoy 3 года назад +9

      I think the Sound Blaster card have IDE header for CD-ROM

    • @bakatoroi
      @bakatoroi 3 года назад

      @@jensonchoy It doesn't seem to have an IDE port. He could if he gets one of those proprietary drives.

    • @PeTTs0n88
      @PeTTs0n88 3 года назад +2

      Or swap the sound blaster for one with an IDE controller, there are tons of them. :)

  • @asherael
    @asherael 3 года назад

    Man i really saw that issue with the DOM coming, it didn't look designed to share. glad you had something else to use, fascinating project, great content

  • @Scioneer
    @Scioneer 3 года назад +9

    Honestly, considering the sbc's industrial roots, I'd say the case looks good as is.

  • @lenovovo
    @lenovovo 3 года назад +3

    Thanks for the delicious video LGR!! Have a great weekend dude!! :-)

  • @KomradeMikhail
    @KomradeMikhail 3 года назад +60

    Could get a PCB backplane printed up with just two ISA slots and power.
    With a new Pico PSU, and a 3D printed case... Smallest 486 PC ?

    • @andreewert6576
      @andreewert6576 3 года назад +9

      Add a 5" tft, a lipo battery and a few buttons and you have a portable 486 switch-like thing.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 года назад +3

      To save more space the power supply could probably be designed into the mini-backplane in the space between the two slots. However, it still won't be the smallest 486 PC. The IBM PC110 is 158x116x36mm and that's a whole laptop with 4.7" screen.

    • @KomradeMikhail
      @KomradeMikhail 3 года назад +6

      @@eDoc2020
      Search what a Pico PSU looks like... it's not much bigger than the connector itself.
      The size could be cut down further by skipping the backplane entirely, and soldering power directly to the contacts.
      But then you lose the sound card... I suppose an OPL3LPT adapter connected to the internal parellel pin header could fit inside.
      The IBM PC 110 is about the same comparable size as two stacked expansion cards anyway... With a slower SX CPU.

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 3 года назад +2

      @@KomradeMikhail I know PicoPSU is small but if you want your system to be as small as possible every little bit matters. If you ditch the sound card you can probably eliminate this PSU entirely. I'm guessing the SBC only uses the 5v rail which can be provided from a phone charger. One of the connectors might even be a 5v input for this purpose.
      I'll certainly consider this as the smallest _desktop_ 486 PC. While the PC110 is a bit smaller, it's a completely different class of device.
      And side note, I think the PC110's CPU might be upgradeable with the right tools. I know the ThinkPad with the butterfly keyboard can be upgraded to 125MHz just by soldering in a different chip but this might be harder with the variant in the PC110.

    • @KomradeMikhail
      @KomradeMikhail 3 года назад +6

      @@eDoc2020
      If you ditch the connectors off the PicoPSU and solder wires directly, the little board can sandwich in and fit within the given footprint of the single slot expansion card.
      Same with the OPL3LPT adapter... lose the connectors and solder it in.
      Could probably even squeeze in a modern LiPo battery pack and an adafruit charging circuit.
      A keyboard and a screen would fit within the size of a second expansion card. And now this is a homemade PC 110, of exactly the same size, but cheaper.
      CNC mill a case instead of just 3D printing it... and now suddenly I am turning into Ben Heck.

  • @invghost
    @invghost 3 года назад +1

    I love this, the concept of a really small board built for compactness put in a massive (relatively) tower with a bunch of different things attached haha

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 года назад

      Even in their industrial applications, they would have been connected to a backplane. The board has no way, other than the edge connector, to bring power in after all.

  • @E30SIX
    @E30SIX 3 года назад +1

    Golden era for computers
    The era that every new piece of hardware has its own taste
    Nowadays we are more than used with large ram numbers and extremely fast evolution

  • @TCPUDPATM
    @TCPUDPATM 3 года назад +12

    “cd quake” still gets me excited for some upcoming fun!

  • @JosephDAndrea0121
    @JosephDAndrea0121 3 года назад +11

    IBM had a PC on a board product that was meant to be added to a power system so you could have a small linux system in you IBM power system to use as a management server

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 3 года назад +3

      Linux for PowerPC exists. It was often installed in Macintosh computers, but also came in variants for the professional PowerPC systems and some game consoles.

  • @kelainefes
    @kelainefes 3 года назад +1

    Awesome beige case, perfect for that retro machine lol.
    You bought me back to my teenage years.

  • @mesterak
    @mesterak 3 года назад

    I never seen an SBC in action, so thanks fir this video. It was very cool!

  • @sofronio.
    @sofronio. 3 года назад +31

    imagine in 20 years maybe a 32 core single board computer will be there to give legacy support.

    • @amirpourghoureiyan1637
      @amirpourghoureiyan1637 3 года назад +2

      An x86 board will definitely be used for that once RISC-V matures.

    •  3 года назад +2

      @@amirpourghoureiyan1637 x86 for the win |:V/

    • @SolidSonicTH
      @SolidSonicTH 6 месяцев назад

      Modern PCs haven't really evolved much, I think. Older 3rd gen Core i series CPUs still run modern software competently enough so getting older software to run on whatever's current is no longer a hurdle like it was for stuff that ran on Windows 95 and immediately crapped out trying to get it to run on XP.
      They make SBCs that take more current processors (I have one but I never did anything with it -- and also maybe bent some pins on the socket before I could... >_>) but it's the mid/late 90s and before that generally see the most benefit from running on period-accurate hardware.
      The concept of modern SBCs generally seems to take the form of things like the Latte Panda that are meant to be standalone devices instead of being attached to a backplane and provide more conventional connectivity (kind of in the vein of the RasPi but with standard x86-64 compatibility of your run-of-the-mill PCs).

  • @michaelmiller9143
    @michaelmiller9143 3 года назад +8

    12:39 "There are FOUR lights!"

  • @TheGiulioSeverini
    @TheGiulioSeverini 3 года назад

    Hi LGR, I really love your videos. You'd deserve more views, mate!

  • @christopherg9806
    @christopherg9806 3 года назад +1

    I love your trips in the (not-so) Way Back machine. My first computer was a 486-DX33 with 8 MB of RAM and a 250 MB hard drive. It was about $2,300 and I still had to buy a 14.4 modem and a CD-ROM drive. The price DID include a roomy (for the day) 15" monitor.
    Now, I'm shopping for a laptop with a minimum of 16 GB of RAM, 1 TB drive and QHD display for around $1,500. It's crazy.
    Keep up the good work.

  • @nuherbleath461
    @nuherbleath461 3 года назад +6

    12:26 anyone else notice the PSU discharge while he plugs in the cable? (Bottom right)

  • @nathann0100
    @nathann0100 3 года назад +3

    Pretty neat I'd like to have one of those as a novelty

  • @glenjo0
    @glenjo0 3 года назад

    Good video! We used quite a few passive back plane systems for factory automation "back in the day" where I work. You need to put this in a 4U rack mount chassis to make it more "authentic".

  • @mustangmandal
    @mustangmandal 3 года назад

    My hometown is right next to marlborough! Never heard of the company but a little googling revealed that they are some sort of software company that appears to still be in business but in a different town. Still I love any references to my state and Its cool that something that simple made it all the way to you! Thanks for making my day!

  • @phodder
    @phodder 3 года назад +13

    Definitely swap to the ISA only backplane! Gotta love the minimalism/masochism combo wombo!

  • @jipillow1
    @jipillow1 3 года назад +21

    Thank you Clint for giving us our first Christmas present of the year

  • @davideubank8606
    @davideubank8606 3 года назад

    i played xargon so much as a kid but completely forgot about it. so many years ago, its a crazy feeling when all those memories just flood back into your head!!

  • @GearAddict90210
    @GearAddict90210 3 года назад

    Seeing these old games brings back childhood memories.
    One game I loved was Terminal Velocity

  • @FireFoxBancroft
    @FireFoxBancroft 3 года назад +3

    I love these videos they're like a de-stressor at the end of a crazy day.

  • @FairyRat
    @FairyRat 3 года назад +6

    Love it. How much did it cost you to build this humble beast? I want to build a vintage DOS PC too some day! Although here in Israel it could prove quite a challenge to acquire the components.

  • @ObscureGamesandConsoles
    @ObscureGamesandConsoles 3 года назад +1

    I was thinking the food label may be referring to the computer being in a kitchen of a restaurant, food prep area of some kind, or commissary.
    I wish I had the space to have an old DOS machine. Always like watching these videos.

  • @govna47
    @govna47 3 года назад +1

    I grew up playing all of those games. Talk about a trip back in time