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I lived near the Red zone on Saipan for a few years. A Japanese pill box was right on the beach from where I lived. You could take a metal detector and still find relics of the war on the beach.
Thank you for this. Navajo Nation officials in Window Rock, AZ on Oct. 20, 2024 announced the passing of John Kinsel, Sr., USMC who was one of the last Navajo Code Talkers. He was 107 years old.
@@realtimehistoryGreetings from Manchester,in case you didn't know Saipan was the island where the war was lost for the japanese cause they became within striking distance of their mainland. But yet they still gambled by 1945 it was hopeless yet they still believed they could win but instead paid their debt in one swift blow by the nukes.
@@Yk1000- Greetings from Saratoga, New York. The Japanese first gambled at Pearl Harbor and failed to fulfill their main strategic objective of securing the opportunity to win a quick victory. It bought them time but very little. Coral Sea caused them to hesitate . Midway leveled the playing field, tossing up the initiative. The Americans took the chance to pounce at Guadalcanal. The Japanese lost the war in the air, at land, and sea during the Solomon Islands Campaign. Their ability to effectively organize and coordinate offensive operations was completely shattered, leaving command and control in such deep disarray that they could never recover the initiative. The Japanese failed to realize Guadalcanal was the decisive battle they were so desperately searching for. They fumbled their best chance to alter the course of the war. If they went all in at Guadalcanal the outcome may have been slightly different. Japan started a war it could never win and it cost them severely.
My grand uncle was a combat pilot during some point in this battle. He won a bronze star for refusing to return to airfield/carrier until the sky was clear of Japanese planes despite being extremely low on fuel with a damaged plane. My dad and i found this out after going through my grandfathers belongings last year which also revealed my grandfather won a bronze star at the beach landing on Anzio italy for shooting down several german planes who were strafing the units trapped on the beach. My dad never knew any of this because they never talked about the war ever. My grandfather’s last words to my 14 year old dad as he was dying were quote “grab my dog tags”. My dad thinks he was hallucinating at the time and the mental imprint the war had on him showed up in his final moments. I really wish i couldve met these guys i would love to ask them questions if they were willing to talk about it. My 2 grand uncles were combat pilots in the pacific and my grandfather was in north africa, italy and then we think eventually Europe but i have no idea how to find out more information
Google world war 2 service records. There is an office you can write to that may have their service records. There was a fire in the 70's that destroyed a lot of them, but I understand you may be able to recover information from the government. I wish I could remember the office name.
Thank you to Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK for that extra information on the Winchester Model 12!
I’m 74 now and my father did the landings at Saipan and Guam, with the 2ed. Marines. A nineteen year old boy at that time. He made it home but it changed him for life…
@@paulreilly3904 read "With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge. It's excellent and he talks about how he couldn't hunt when he got home. He didn't want to kill anymore.
@ He never much talked about it but I’m quite certain seeing many of his friends killed and his brother shot twice but thankfully live was stressing for a kid…
Thanks for providing light on this battle, people need to learn the sacrifice it took to end the war in the pacific in every battle because the pacific itself is often overlooked and forgotten by our side of the hemisphere in the general history knowledge
My great uncle lost his arm on this island, after that he fought hand to hand and rescued wounded Marines. His story is in the book "Too Young to Vote."
@@realtimehistory Indeed, he had so many years ahead of him, filled with his family and loved ones, writing excellent books for everyone to enjoy. I had learned that [at the time] we lived in the same city, and had reached out to see if I could take him to lunch, but he passed very soon after. :(
While fighting in Europe, another theatre on the other side of the planet. PLUS always maintaining a steady stream of lend lease to the Allies and USSR.
Interesting bit on the Model 12. I have one, it is very nicely made, and the slide and bolt move smoothly and with great precision. I have had a Model 97, its predecessor as Winchester's main shotgun offering, and while reliable, it shook and rattled like a coffee can full of rocks while cycling. The Model 12 also has better ergonomics and fits into the shoulder better than the 97. I also have a Springfield 1903-A3 dated 1943 and originally built by H&R. My understanding is that it came from US Marine surplus, so evidently some Marines were still carrying the 03-A3 bolt action, and not all had converted to the M1 Garand or Carbine. I have often wondered what service it has seen; perhaps it fought in one or more of the Pacific Islands. It is also very well made (and perfectly restored) and exceptionally accurate. I have shot the 03-A3 in some match rifle competitions, and it held its own with dedicated sniper rifles. It is certainly accurate enough for a squad or platoon marksman role.
@@paulreilly3904 Unfortunately it hasn't been translated into English I'm afraid. It's only written in my native language. Sorry for not being able to help out.
Greetings from Korea. The Koreans mentioned as fighting with Japanese were mostly forcefully drafted or deceived into slavery via fake job offers. It’s not a well known fact in the international community, which is why I think it was worth sharing. Thanks for the amazing footages.
No. Koreans volunteered. Evidence of this is in the early days of the war when pamphlets were distributed asking for volunteers. They were treated as second-class citizens, so they needed to prove their strength by participating in the war. As a result, many Koreans who fought in this war were able to show their experience in the Korean War.
@@やる気熱々 That’s why I said ‘mostly’. There were some Koreans who actually volunteered. We call them traitors in Korea. But most Koreans were forcefully drafted to slave in non-combat roles or shoved onto front lines as human shields. Even those who may seem to have volunteered were actually volun-told. If they didn’t “volunteer” other member of their families would have been drafted, or the entire family would be executed.
@@바위게에에엥 Traitors? Those Koreans who volunteered were involved in planning the Korean War and fought in many areas. There were many volunteer soldiers. As mentioned above, many of them became soldiers to get a job in their impoverished lives.
@@やる気熱々 Impoverished because the Japanese empire at the time extorted every corner of the Korean economy from mines and rice to even the brass spoons and cooking utensils for their ammunition. The traitors who fought in the Korean War had no choice but to fight for the south because the north would give them no choice but the shooting squad. They saw that the south was more rational and took advantage of the situation to cleanse themselves of their past. It wasn’t a matter of choice as well. All military age men of the time were drafted to fight in the Korean War. It’s impossible to justify betraying one’s country. But even if that was the only choice they thought they had, the Japanese empire’s economic and cultural extortion provided the major historical context of why they had to choose between poverty or betrayal. Either they voluteered or were volun-told, that historical context will never change.
i mean...volunteering to willingly fight and die for people who raped murdered and subjugated your people like animals is pretty traitorous regardless of if the ones that survived fought in the korean war or not@@やる気熱々
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Bit of a jump considering last pacific video was on Japan's revenge for the doolittle raid... But always love your videos! So informative and Jesse is great ☺️
3:12 Imagine having a rivalry with the guy who's trying to make sure you don't drown or get blown up before making it to the beach. I guess those Army drivers knew exactly how the Navy felt about Marines lol
Surprised to learn the of the use of the model 12 Winchester pump in this battle , I've got one in nickel steel and found it an outstandingly reliable waterfouling , upland game-bird and even deer gun . Thanks for the History and Cheers from Canada
What is often overlooked and unknown is the fact that there were coastal invasions(plural, not singular) in the Pacific that rivaled Normandy. American war production running on all eight.
My dad was a rear gunner in TBF's, SNJ's, and Dauntless'. He did a waist gunner gig over Saipan. At one point, as he was sitting there waiting for a posting, some officer came up to him and told him, "Until we get an airfield, you're useless." He then pitched a rifle at my dad, and Pop was sent in on the second wave invading the island.
Yeah I doubt that. Given a rifle and told to work the perimeter sure, I can believe that. Throwing an bomber gunner into a landing craft and expecting them to storm the beach. Not at all
@AB-mw8oz The photographs he brought back, a couple of Japanese concussion grenades, and the awards. You can have your doubts, I understand it. I don't have to prove anything to you. I believe in my dad, and what little he chose to share of his war experiences. He was in the pacific theater, and my uncles were in the European theater. My dad and uncles were also in the "Police Action" in Korea. As I've said, you're entitled to your opinion. I hope your relatives who were in the war don't have this same disregard of their experiences.
@@alanrobinson4318 Yeah for some money, or cigarettes I'm sure there were a lot of Marines that sold off some of their spoils and a lot of air crew earned themselves medals, but you're talking about an air crew, who is not trained the same way as a Marine, being thrown into a Marine unit and being told to storm the beach. It's just not believable at all. If you said he was a Seabee that would be believable as they would land amongst the Marines to aid in clearing major obstacles and once areas were secure, building airfields. But again thats a whole different branch of the navy to aviators
One of those Japanese soldiers rifle is sitting in my cabinet. My dad brought it back after his service as a Naval airman flying off Tinian. Still shoots great.
will do when I am back on my computer on Monday. Note at some point we will also put them all together with probably additional material as a single documentary (like we did with the Vietnam War recently)
My dad was in the Navy in World War II. He was in this battle. Like many World War II veterans, he never talked about his time in the war. He’s been gone for over 20 years now. There are not many World War II vets left 😢
Specific to The Battle of the Philippine Sea (aka 'The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot') Drachinifel' recently produced an excellent video on the naval battle, the strategic arguments over which islands were to be assaulted, and the arguments between Spruance and Mitscher.
The description of the 12G Winchester model 12 Riot Gun failed to mention that the military shotgun did not have a trigger "disconnect". This means that the operator could hold the trigger back and cycle the action, the gun would fire instantly every time it was cycled which was devastating at close range on multiple targets!
One common term for the shotgun was "trench broom", as it would sweep trenches clear of defenders. The same term was used for Genral Thompson's submachinegun. --Bob Bailey in Maine
My grandmother's younger brother was killed during the invasion of Saipan. I think must have been terrible, can't believe so many suicides versus surrender
As a US Navy veteran (combat disabled), my heart aches for the young Japanese men, and more so for the women and children non-combatants who did not have to die.
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage episode about the saipan invasion by American amphibians troops in 1944. Thank you an amazing ( RTH) channel for sharing 🙏
About the shotgun the late paul harrell made a video about it where he put paper shells in water for over a week they worked fine. I dont say it is not a possibility it happen and it might happen in some cases but soldiers getting very nervous about the possibility of missfuntioning
Did Real Time History not know during the Battle of the Philippine Sea that planes were returning after darkness, including Admiral Marc Mitscher's daring decision to turn on the lights. landing the planes at night? Wow, that is what you get when you read everything on the Internet...
1:12 As a detail: The US didn't so much 'do both' as a strategic decision. King's plan was always better and McArthur's Philines-plan was an egomaniacal thing: he HAD to liberate what he'd been driven from earlier in the war. Most understood this, but McArthur was too prominent and politically connected to publicly push aside and ignore. It's that ego and hubris that later got McArthur relieved of command.
King's plan was to invade Formosa, which not even his subordinates were ok with. The Philippines was chosen not necessarily because of MacArthur, but because it was the only apparent option by this stage of the war (that being summer 1944). The Iwo Jima-Ryukyus plan, developed by Nimitz's staff, came much too late to supplant the Luzon strategy. And even then Luzon was still considered necessary to support an invasion of Japan given the massive airbase and port facilities at Manila.
@@redaug4212 Not to mention we were supposed to protect them and failed to do so, and they were part of the US (sort of). I always scratch my head when people criticize the Philippines operation like it wasn't an important goal. I don't like Doug anymore than you do but those people were suffering under the Japanese and we were obligated to help, not to also mention it was the right thing to do morally and strategically.
Yeah no, versus enemies without body armor, a shotgun is absolutely effective far beyond 20m Go look at garandthumbs video on the M590A1 (which I have the pleasure of owning)
That huge bayonet for the shotgun ! During World war 2 . The size of bayonets was reduced for the allies anyhows . The problem with large bayonets. They could get lodged irretrievably in the victim's ribs . In a melee. One would have to quickly leave your weapon embedded I the victim if you swiftly are engaged by multiple enemies. The smaller bayonets. As feeble as they looked were much more effective and not get stuck as the bigger bayonets.
RIP To the 13,150 US Marines and navy men, 25,144+ Imperial Japanese troops and officers (5,000 committed suicide), and 8,000-10,000 Imperial Japanese civilians who were killed in the Battle of Saipan
I believe it was closer to 3,000. But sacrifice nonetheless. That’s more than half what we lost in Iraq in 8 years, and this happened in like a month. It’s scary many Americans don’t realize how destructive total near-peer war is, even with the casualty figures coming out of Ukraine
The reason why Japanese tanks were light and had weak armor was because they were only designed for the war against China. When fighting in China, most of the tanks were used against infantry, so that was enough. However, in the Nomonhan Incident in 1939, Japanese tanks dealt a heavy blow to Soviet tanks. With the appearance of the Sherman in the subsequent Pacific War, Japanese tanks became like empty cans.
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I lived near the Red zone on Saipan for a few years. A Japanese pill box was right on the beach from where I lived. You could take a metal detector and still find relics of the war on the beach.
Thank you for this. Navajo Nation officials in Window Rock, AZ on Oct. 20, 2024 announced the passing of John Kinsel, Sr., USMC who was one of the last Navajo Code Talkers. He was 107 years old.
oh wow, had no idea! may he test in peace
@TheRedbaronator show some respect .
Now you know why people push you around sister .
Semper Fi
T.Y.
My favorite channel coming to my home island isn't what I expected this morning
greetings from Berlin, Germany
Greetings from Houston, Texas
@@realtimehistoryGreetings from Manchester,in case you didn't know Saipan was the island where the war was lost for the japanese cause they became within striking distance of their mainland. But yet they still gambled by 1945 it was hopeless yet they still believed they could win but instead paid their debt in one swift blow by the nukes.
Greetings from Bassano del Grappa, Italy
@@Yk1000- Greetings from Saratoga, New York.
The Japanese first gambled at Pearl Harbor and failed to fulfill their main strategic objective of securing the opportunity to win a quick victory. It bought them time but very little. Coral Sea caused them to hesitate .
Midway leveled the playing field, tossing up the initiative.
The Americans took the chance to pounce at Guadalcanal. The Japanese lost the war in the air, at land, and sea during the Solomon Islands Campaign.
Their ability to effectively organize and coordinate offensive operations was completely shattered, leaving command and control in such deep disarray that they could never recover the initiative.
The Japanese failed to realize Guadalcanal was the decisive battle they were so desperately searching for. They fumbled their best chance to alter the course of the war. If they went all in at Guadalcanal the outcome may have been slightly different.
Japan started a war it could never win and it cost them severely.
My grand uncle was a combat pilot during some point in this battle. He won a bronze star for refusing to return to airfield/carrier until the sky was clear of Japanese planes despite being extremely low on fuel with a damaged plane. My dad and i found this out after going through my grandfathers belongings last year which also revealed my grandfather won a bronze star at the beach landing on Anzio italy for shooting down several german planes who were strafing the units trapped on the beach. My dad never knew any of this because they never talked about the war ever. My grandfather’s last words to my 14 year old dad as he was dying were quote “grab my dog tags”. My dad thinks he was hallucinating at the time and the mental imprint the war had on him showed up in his final moments. I really wish i couldve met these guys i would love to ask them questions if they were willing to talk about it. My 2 grand uncles were combat pilots in the pacific and my grandfather was in north africa, italy and then we think eventually Europe but i have no idea how to find out more information
Google world war 2 service records. There is an office you can write to that may have their service records. There was a fire in the 70's that destroyed a lot of them, but I understand you may be able to recover information from the government. I wish I could remember the office name.
Thank you to Jonathan Ferguson, Keeper of Firearms and Artillery at the Royal Armouries Museum in the UK for that extra information on the Winchester Model 12!
cannot recommend their RUclips channel enough if you enjoyed listening to him
@@realtimehistory thank you for including his title as well. that made me smile a lot.
I’m 74 now and my father did the landings at Saipan and Guam, with the 2ed. Marines. A nineteen year old boy at that time. He made it home but it changed him for life…
I'm always interested in the after effects of battle. In way did it change him please?
@@paulreilly3904 read "With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge. It's excellent and he talks about how he couldn't hunt when he got home. He didn't want to kill anymore.
@ He never much talked about it but I’m quite certain seeing many of his friends killed and his brother shot twice but thankfully live was stressing for a kid…
Thanks for providing light on this battle, people need to learn the sacrifice it took to end the war in the pacific in every battle because the pacific itself is often overlooked and forgotten by our side of the hemisphere in the general history knowledge
I don’t know, lots of Americans are more interested in the pacific war than Europe
I enjoy studying about both campaigns 2 of my great uncles served one in the Pacific and one in Europe
My great uncle lost his arm on this island, after that he fought hand to hand and rescued wounded Marines. His story is in the book "Too Young to Vote."
Wow that’s brutal.
Thank you for your ongoing coverage of the Asia Pacific of World War Two.
“The Fleet At Flood Tide” is an incredible book. The best on this topic I’ve ever read.
yes. it was an incredible read. RIP James D. Hornfischer, he had such a career ahead of him.
@@realtimehistory Indeed, he had so many years ahead of him, filled with his family and loved ones, writing excellent books for everyone to enjoy. I had learned that [at the time] we lived in the same city, and had reached out to see if I could take him to lunch, but he passed very soon after. :(
The better version of the history channel.
Not enough Ancient Aliens on this channel though. I was hoping to finally get some proof that the Japanese Imperial army was not from Earth at all.
@@lucas82”I'm not saying it was aliens…but it was aliens."
Always love seeing you post each vid! It always makes my day
Another great 30 minute doc RTH team
The point about the US military capability to wage war on two theaters is highly underappreciated
While fighting in Europe, another theatre on the other side of the planet. PLUS always maintaining a steady stream of lend lease to the Allies and USSR.
Thanks
Another great video! Thanks for providing such informative, high quality content!
Love this channel so much~
Thank you for all the history.
Interesting bit on the Model 12. I have one, it is very nicely made, and the slide and bolt move smoothly and with great precision. I have had a Model 97, its predecessor as Winchester's main shotgun offering, and while reliable, it shook and rattled like a coffee can full of rocks while cycling. The Model 12 also has better ergonomics and fits into the shoulder better than the 97.
I also have a Springfield 1903-A3 dated 1943 and originally built by H&R. My understanding is that it came from US Marine surplus, so evidently some Marines were still carrying the 03-A3 bolt action, and not all had converted to the M1 Garand or Carbine. I have often wondered what service it has seen; perhaps it fought in one or more of the Pacific Islands. It is also very well made (and perfectly restored) and exceptionally accurate. I have shot the 03-A3 in some match rifle competitions, and it held its own with dedicated sniper rifles. It is certainly accurate enough for a squad or platoon marksman role.
Another great documentary, loving the content. Keep it up!
Greetings from Saipan. Thanks for the post!
greetings from Berlin
My dad’s home island. Always great to see details on this one for sure
Recently finished a book about the Pacific theater. Can't wait to watch this!
What was the book please? I'm looking for one for Christmas 24
@@paulreilly3904 Unfortunately it hasn't been translated into English I'm afraid. It's only written in my native language. Sorry for not being able to help out.
Man do I love me a Real Time History video
Greetings from Korea. The Koreans mentioned as fighting with Japanese were mostly forcefully drafted or deceived into slavery via fake job offers. It’s not a well known fact in the international community, which is why I think it was worth sharing.
Thanks for the amazing footages.
No. Koreans volunteered. Evidence of this is in the early days of the war when pamphlets were distributed asking for volunteers. They were treated as second-class citizens, so they needed to prove their strength by participating in the war. As a result, many Koreans who fought in this war were able to show their experience in the Korean War.
@@やる気熱々 That’s why I said ‘mostly’. There were some Koreans who actually volunteered. We call them traitors in Korea. But most Koreans were forcefully drafted to slave in non-combat roles or shoved onto front lines as human shields.
Even those who may seem to have volunteered were actually volun-told. If they didn’t “volunteer” other member of their families would have been drafted, or the entire family would be executed.
@@바위게에에엥 Traitors? Those Koreans who volunteered were involved in planning the Korean War and fought in many areas. There were many volunteer soldiers. As mentioned above, many of them became soldiers to get a job in their impoverished lives.
@@やる気熱々 Impoverished because the Japanese empire at the time extorted every corner of the Korean economy from mines and rice to even the brass spoons and cooking utensils for their ammunition.
The traitors who fought in the Korean War had no choice but to fight for the south because the north would give them no choice but the shooting squad. They saw that the south was more rational and took advantage of the situation to cleanse themselves of their past.
It wasn’t a matter of choice as well. All military age men of the time were drafted to fight in the Korean War.
It’s impossible to justify betraying one’s country. But even if that was the only choice they thought they had, the Japanese empire’s economic and cultural extortion provided the major historical context of why they had to choose between poverty or betrayal.
Either they voluteered or were volun-told, that historical context will never change.
i mean...volunteering to willingly fight and die for people who raped murdered and subjugated your people like animals is pretty traitorous regardless of if the ones that survived fought in the korean war or not@@やる気熱々
Always love seeing your post! ❤
I love the way you do these videos. Including the photographs and maps that really help the viewer understand
Love seeing a colab with royal armories. I’d also highly recommend C&Rsenal if you like old firearms from the conflicts covered in this channel. Real Time History really stands above the rest and I think Johnathan and Othais are up there too.
we did a lot of collaboration with Othais and Mae between 2014 and 2018 on our sister channel The Great War. Agreed, their content is amazing.
I do remember those videos fondly. I can’t believe it’s been ten years. Thank you for keeping up all the hard work for so long!
The Marines accusing Army of using Army tactics is my favorite story from this battle
Thank you! I'm following on Nebula TV as well.
Bit of a jump considering last pacific video was on Japan's revenge for the doolittle raid... But always love your videos! So informative and Jesse is great ☺️
Thanks for putting out a somewhat longer video again 🙏
Thank you Love ❤ this channel ❤❤
Excellent work friend. Keep going like that 😉👍👌.
A great documentary, RTH! I love the epilogue. As a Filipino, I am looking forward to the Philippines episode.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
Looking forward to this one. :)
Great Vid! thank you.
I'll light a candle for the thousands of people who never got to see their loved ones again. On both sides.
Excellent Description-,-just brilliant,-with no B/S--and telling the Truth--love that "Shot-Gun"--!!
3:12 Imagine having a rivalry with the guy who's trying to make sure you don't drown or get blown up before making it to the beach. I guess those Army drivers knew exactly how the Navy felt about Marines lol
Great video as always !
Very Nice documentary .
Nice video, didn't know much about this battle or how brutal it was
Surprised to learn the of the use of the model 12 Winchester pump in this battle , I've got one in nickel steel and found it an outstandingly reliable waterfouling , upland game-bird and even deer gun . Thanks for the History and Cheers from Canada
The loss/casualty disparities in these battles are staggering.
Excellent!
What is often overlooked and unknown is the fact that there were coastal invasions(plural, not singular) in the Pacific that rivaled Normandy.
American war production running on all eight.
My dad was a rear gunner in TBF's, SNJ's, and Dauntless'. He did a waist gunner gig over Saipan. At one point, as he was sitting there waiting for a posting, some officer came up to him and told him, "Until we get an airfield, you're useless." He then pitched a rifle at my dad, and Pop was sent in on the second wave invading the island.
Yeah I doubt that. Given a rifle and told to work the perimeter sure, I can believe that. Throwing an bomber gunner into a landing craft and expecting them to storm the beach. Not at all
@AB-mw8oz The photographs he brought back, a couple of Japanese concussion grenades, and the awards. You can have your doubts, I understand it. I don't have to prove anything to you. I believe in my dad, and what little he chose to share of his war experiences. He was in the pacific theater, and my uncles were in the European theater. My dad and uncles were also in the "Police Action" in Korea.
As I've said, you're entitled to your opinion. I hope your relatives who were in the war don't have this same disregard of their experiences.
@@alanrobinson4318 Yeah for some money, or cigarettes I'm sure there were a lot of Marines that sold off some of their spoils and a lot of air crew earned themselves medals, but you're talking about an air crew, who is not trained the same way as a Marine, being thrown into a Marine unit and being told to storm the beach. It's just not believable at all. If you said he was a Seabee that would be believable as they would land amongst the Marines to aid in clearing major obstacles and once areas were secure, building airfields. But again thats a whole different branch of the navy to aviators
One of those Japanese soldiers rifle is sitting in my cabinet. My dad brought it back after his service as a Naval airman flying off Tinian. Still shoots great.
This is great stuff mate, Really enjoyed it! Thanks for sharing brother. Su'd
I've noticed you've done a few videos on the Pacific front now. Would you be willing to put them into a playlist? Thank you 🙏
will do when I am back on my computer on Monday. Note at some point we will also put them all together with probably additional material as a single documentary (like we did with the Vietnam War recently)
@realtimehistory thank you 🙏
Watching from Saipan 🤙🏽
The shotgun has an 8 round CHEWB magazine how fascinating
Yeah, British accents can be difficult to understand sometimes.
Shout out to all those code talkers, their stories are pretty awesome
Do one on the battle of Hurtgen forest
My dad was in the Navy in World War II. He was in this battle. Like many World War II veterans, he never talked about his time in the war. He’s been gone for over 20 years now. There are not many World War II vets left 😢
My Dad fought there and left many of his brother marines on the island. At easy Top I’ll see you soon .
My father Charles W. Parkhill served with 4th Marine Division and Saipan earned him his 3rd battle star.
Specific to The Battle of the Philippine Sea (aka 'The Great Marianas Turkey Shoot') Drachinifel' recently produced an excellent video on the naval battle, the strategic arguments over which islands were to be assaulted, and the arguments between Spruance and Mitscher.
Oh cool. Does Lee Marvin make a guest star appearance in this episode? 😮
The description of the 12G Winchester model 12 Riot Gun failed to mention that the military shotgun did not have a trigger "disconnect". This means that the operator could hold the trigger back and cycle the action, the gun would fire instantly every time it was cycled which was devastating at close range on multiple targets!
Lee Marvin served as a Marine in the battle of Saipan
My dad was a navy doctor that hit the beach with the marines. They were taking heads.
Very glad history
Brutal.
Loved it
One common term for the shotgun was "trench broom", as it would sweep trenches clear of defenders. The same term was used for Genral Thompson's submachinegun. --Bob Bailey in Maine
Both were never used in the first world war.
But propaganda made great names for them.
@15:51 was that a tracer that flew past tank seen at bottom right corner?
I think that was just an artifact in the film.
I have nothing but respect for the US Marines who fought and died at Saipan
Watching this in saipan
legendary
My grandfather fought in this battle as part of The 2nd Marne Division.
My grandmother's younger brother was killed during the invasion of Saipan. I think must have been terrible, can't believe so many suicides versus surrender
Thanks for putting together. BTW, no need to say “the” before giving Marine Regt # i.e. “6th Marines” not “the 6th Marines”.
When are you going to do a video of the Yom Kippur War of 1973. You did one of the Six days war 1967 ?.
it's on our list for next year for sure. Probably in May or June.
@realtimehistory great to hear! No matter the conflict, I love your content. The best long form war documentaries on RUclips, hands down
That shotgun is really a pike that shoots
There's a weird sound in the background during Johnathan's section.
As a US Navy veteran (combat disabled), my heart aches for the young Japanese men, and more so for the women and children non-combatants who did not have to die.
Is there a way to find the background music used in Real Time History videos?
It was an informative and wonderful historical coverage episode about the saipan invasion by American amphibians troops in 1944. Thank you an amazing ( RTH) channel for sharing 🙏
About the shotgun the late paul harrell made a video about it where he put paper shells in water for over a week they worked fine.
I dont say it is not a possibility it happen and it might happen in some cases but soldiers getting very nervous about the possibility of missfuntioning
When the armorer said they used buckshot, did he mean double-aught buckshot? The term can mean several things.
Great video but the model 12 holds 6 in the mag n 1 in the pipe...
Didn't you have a video on Britain's Vietnam war, or am I mistaken? What happened to it?
check out the video on the Indochina War, the British Vietnam War chapter is in there right at the beginning.
@realtimehistory My bad, thanks for pointing it out!
Did Real Time History not know during the Battle of the Philippine Sea that planes were returning after darkness, including Admiral Marc Mitscher's daring decision to turn on the lights. landing the planes at night? Wow, that is what you get when you read everything on the Internet...
You owe the fine naval author James Hornfischer a great deal here.
the shot guns used were what guag ? 10-12-16 or something else ?
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GREAT VIDEO
The music for the combat shottie expert hurt my ears.
the battle of Saipan was in 2002. Roy keane vs Mick McCarhy 😊😊
Fantastico saipan... Respect from Vietnam.... Allahu akhbar
The narrator's voice sounds like the one from Oversimplified.
1:12 As a detail: The US didn't so much 'do both' as a strategic decision. King's plan was always better and McArthur's Philines-plan was an egomaniacal thing: he HAD to liberate what he'd been driven from earlier in the war.
Most understood this, but McArthur was too prominent and politically connected to publicly push aside and ignore. It's that ego and hubris that later got McArthur relieved of command.
King's plan was to invade Formosa, which not even his subordinates were ok with. The Philippines was chosen not necessarily because of MacArthur, but because it was the only apparent option by this stage of the war (that being summer 1944). The Iwo Jima-Ryukyus plan, developed by Nimitz's staff, came much too late to supplant the Luzon strategy. And even then Luzon was still considered necessary to support an invasion of Japan given the massive airbase and port facilities at Manila.
@@redaug4212 Not to mention we were supposed to protect them and failed to do so, and they were part of the US (sort of). I always scratch my head when people criticize the Philippines operation like it wasn't an important goal. I don't like Doug anymore than you do but those people were suffering under the Japanese and we were obligated to help, not to also mention it was the right thing to do morally and strategically.
Bro who greenlit a landing craft that you have to jump over the side of?
Love Saipan. They have an awesome Chinese restaurant there.
That was different.... A weapons lesson.... I'm glad RUclips has a fast forward for videos.... I find weapons extremely boring
20 meters? Individual buck shot pellets can be very dangerous and even kill at 100 yards.
Yeah no, versus enemies without body armor, a shotgun is absolutely effective far beyond 20m
Go look at garandthumbs video on the M590A1 (which I have the pleasure of owning)
That huge bayonet for the shotgun !
During World war 2 .
The size of bayonets was reduced for the allies anyhows .
The problem with large bayonets. They could get lodged irretrievably in the victim's ribs . In a melee. One would have to quickly leave your weapon embedded I the victim if you swiftly are engaged by multiple enemies. The smaller bayonets. As feeble as they looked were much more effective and not get stuck as the bigger bayonets.
RIP
To the 13,150 US Marines and navy men, 25,144+ Imperial Japanese troops and officers (5,000 committed suicide), and 8,000-10,000 Imperial Japanese civilians who were killed in the Battle of Saipan
I believe it was closer to 3,000. But sacrifice nonetheless. That’s more than half what we lost in Iraq in 8 years, and this happened in like a month. It’s scary many Americans don’t realize how destructive total near-peer war is, even with the casualty figures coming out of Ukraine
US Soldiers and Marines were only like 3k killed, not 13k
The reason why Japanese tanks were light and had weak armor was because they were only designed for the war against China. When fighting in China, most of the tanks were used against infantry, so that was enough. However, in the Nomonhan Incident in 1939, Japanese tanks dealt a heavy blow to Soviet tanks. With the appearance of the Sherman in the subsequent Pacific War, Japanese tanks became like empty cans.