A Reckless Gamble Gone Too Far? FIAT COUPE 20V

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  • @fmontuori40
    @fmontuori40 6 часов назад +35

    One of the most distinctive and memorable cars of its time - glad FIAT were brave enough to make it.

  • @hanspeeters3246
    @hanspeeters3246 6 часов назад +16

    12:20 Who tf wants an italian sports car that "plays it safe"?? I want my italian sports cars to be flamboyant, and this Fiat does just that!

  • @XeniosKofteros
    @XeniosKofteros 6 часов назад +16

    The 20V lived on as a 2.4L naturally aspirated version in the Fiat Stilo (2001-2009). There was even a Michael Schumacher special edition Stilo with this engine in 2004.
    Also the 2.4 5 cylinder diesel that went on until 2010 in the Alfa 159, Brera, Spider was a very close relative to this. To the point were various stuff like exhaust headers and exhaust gaskets are interchangeable.

  • @paulie-Gualtieri.
    @paulie-Gualtieri. 6 часов назад +10

    The Fiat Brava and Bravo of the 1990s were fantastic cars

  • @alfagtvjan
    @alfagtvjan 5 часов назад +9

    I have a broom yellow Turbo Plus, and I think it looks great in that colour from all angles. The later wheels and bodykit transform the car. It wasn't actually built by Fiat - it was handbuilt by Italian coachbuilder Pininfarina, who also built Ferraris in the same factory.

  • @SA-zoom1
    @SA-zoom1 5 часов назад +9

    I absolutely love these cars, one of the best Pininfarina body designs and better than many a Ferrari

  • @mikadavies660
    @mikadavies660 6 часов назад +8

    I used to own a 20v turbo. Standard it had horrible suspension. But with a nice turbo, retune and adjustable suspension.... It was a true delight. Shame they are so expensive and collectable now.

    • @alfagtvjan
      @alfagtvjan 5 часов назад

      There're not expensive. £5000 will get you a decent one.

  • @julianbrown1331
    @julianbrown1331 6 часов назад +24

    What killed the engine wasn't the engine itself, it was the engine bay. In order to perform the full service it was (according to book) a full engine out affair and at the wrong end of £1000 in early 00s money - every few years. Once that small detail became commonly aware nobody wanted one. The residual value of cars fitted with it bombed to the point they were unsaleable. Ignoring all advice I bought one of the last 20v engined cars (Marea Weekend - a wonderful stealth estate) and while I loved the car, the servicing and repair was punishing for a car worth nothing after 3 years...
    The engine continued in the Lancia range for some time in 2.0 turbo and 2.4 litre guise - notably in the Fiat Stilo (not the Brava/Bravo)

    • @Trappygit
      @Trappygit 6 часов назад +3

      I bought mine in 2004 and cambelt changes were £399 back then if you went to any of the specialists.

    • @julianbrown1331
      @julianbrown1331 6 часов назад +5

      @@Trappygit That's because they didn't remove the engine - they dropped the engine mount off the side and let the engine twist in the bay. Made the job of a belt change in-situ possible but had a tendency to destroy the beautiful welded tubular exhaust manifold (any other engine would had used a cast manifold...)
      The same approach is used to service the 500 with similar problems if done badly

    • @rthomasbox
      @rthomasbox 6 часов назад +4

      Still about that now. Full service with every filter and plugs plus all belts for around £600. Had four still got one.

    • @Trappygit
      @Trappygit 5 часов назад +2

      @@julianbrown1331 they all have a cast manifold.

    • @shaunpowell7513
      @shaunpowell7513 5 часов назад +1

      @@julianbrown1331 yes did one the engine was half out

  • @wandeling127
    @wandeling127 5 часов назад +7

    A Chris Bangle oddball design, but I like it!

  • @masskisto
    @masskisto 5 часов назад +4

    Chris Bangle was the chief designer for the project, before moving to BMW

  • @hartoz
    @hartoz 6 часов назад +6

    My friend put the 20v Turbo front subframe and engine into a Fiat Multipla.
    Silliest thing I've ever been in.

    • @cmc6040
      @cmc6040 5 часов назад +1

      I would love one of them!

  • @theadventuresofred19
    @theadventuresofred19 6 часов назад +9

    The wife had a Marea Weekend with that 5 cyl 155bhp engine. It was SUCH a great car. of course I deleted the rear box to allow the sounds to be shared.

    • @acjdf
      @acjdf 4 часа назад

      How public spirited of you.

  • @cristiancristi9384
    @cristiancristi9384 3 часа назад +1

    The first time I saw one of these Fiat Coupe I was just a kid in a sea side holiday ... All of a sudden I saw one, all red just like this..and I shouted in awe:
    ---"Look!!! A FERRARI 🤩...."
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @badbusdriver7160
    @badbusdriver7160 5 часов назад +5

    I'm a big fan of the Coupe, particularly in that fantastic blue. Also a HUGE fan of the Multipla though, equal measures of genius and madness!
    BTW, the BL "Wedge" (ADO71) was available with a transversely mounted 2.2 inline 6

  • @kimwalton2873
    @kimwalton2873 6 часов назад +8

    I agree with you about the interior, very attractive!

  • @Bowl_of_roses
    @Bowl_of_roses 6 часов назад +3

    When they came out the design looked super-modern, especially in the bright colours - yellow, red and blue. I test drove one of these and loved it, but family needs forced me into a Fiat Marea Estate, with the same engine - which was great.

  • @brianweekes1
    @brianweekes1 4 часа назад +3

    Wow that interior is absolutely stunning!!!!!

  • @bockersjv
    @bockersjv 6 часов назад +4

    Have had 3 20v turbos and now still have a 20v na(with variable intake system). Love these cars, so different looking and all of ours have been ultra reliable. One issue when these were new was the rumoured £2k cambelt service. That put the fear into non company car drivers.
    I believe the Fiat Ducatto van used the same engine😮

    • @bettyswallox1240
      @bettyswallox1240 6 часов назад +3

      I had a vis model and if you know the right people a cambelt plus water pump and tensioners was £350.
      Dealers claimed it was an engine out job but that is nonsense, I had my 20v for 4 years and no issues

    • @bockersjv
      @bockersjv 5 часов назад +3

      @@bettyswallox1240 yes, plenty of specialists will do the job by moving the engine to one side and for under £500.

  • @rogerpayne5336
    @rogerpayne5336 4 часа назад +2

    The problem with the : 16V / 16VT / 20V....is that they were on 15" wheel's , which look far to small for the body. Put : 16" Plus wheel's with the 225 section tyre's on this 20V and see the difference to the appearance ( front / back / sideways ). A big bore ss exhaust completes the transformation into mini exotic .....Good vid.

  • @adidragan
    @adidragan 3 часа назад +1

    90's fiats are definitely basket cases. Interesting basket cases, but basket cases nontheless.
    Couple weeks ago I flew out to the netherlands to buy a barchetta and drive it back home to the UK. in the 4 days I've had it on the road between picking it up in rotterdam and parking it on my driveway in manchester, the following occured.
    - odometer is broken
    - speedometer broke
    - radio wont power on
    - thermostat stuck open
    - thermostat housing leaky and sugary
    - woob-woob-woob noise from rear left. Best case unbalanced wheel, worst case needs wheelbearing
    - aircon stopped working
    - blower fan relay only works on speed 3
    - developed a rough idle and an occasional grinding noise from the top-end
    - airbag light sometimes randomly comes on
    - after using the hazzards, the turn signals dont blink anymore, they just stay on until car restarted
    Its great, i love it, and now its time to strip it down, weld up rust holes in the floor (because fiat decided foam-backed rubber carpetting in a convertible is a great idea that definitely wont backfire when rubber rots and water leaks occur.
    So, full interior strip down, weld rust, bin all the 30-year old italian wiring and rewire it from scratch for a modern standalome ECU, send the gauge cluster out for repairs, pull the engine and do a full rebuild on it, hopefully with a cylinder head swap to a non-vvt one to get rid of the horribly troublesome variator that is now NLA, maybe some cams and an LSD, swap all the coolant hoses for silicone ones, and try and find as many replacement rubbers for the doors, windows and hardtop as I can.
    Should be fairly useable after that.

  • @anthonyknox1493
    @anthonyknox1493 5 часов назад +2

    I've always felt the Bangle design is spot on, and the 'slashed' arches are a bit of a nod to the Gandini Countach arches on some other Italian exotica.

  • @dadcars
    @dadcars 5 часов назад +6

    Great video as always 👏 I’ve always wanted to drive one of these 😅

  • @ryanmccormick2150
    @ryanmccormick2150 3 часа назад +1

    There's a yellow 20v turbo rotting away next to my local Chinese takeaway...... I always feel sad for the 20v when I pick up my beef and Black bean. Great stuff as always Jack buddy 👍

  • @darrenhanley7540
    @darrenhanley7540 5 часов назад +3

    I had a 99 reg Bravo HGT 155. Lovely motor. And did two timing belts without engine out. I also often wondered why this engine only lasted a few years in production. But I think the coupe was fiats last great car. Unfortunately I never owned one though. The limited edition 230 HP looked fab.

    • @Trappygit
      @Trappygit 4 часа назад +1

      The LE had exactly the same power plant at 217bhp.

  • @arthurdardalis
    @arthurdardalis 6 часов назад +2

    Have driven the Turbo Plus extensively, loved it, such a great car, definitely a future classic!

  • @mscd9676
    @mscd9676 5 часов назад +2

    what a coincidence that I just reached out to you about my Delta with the same engine and platform and now I see your video about the coupe

  • @GerthebearBrady.
    @GerthebearBrady. 6 часов назад +2

    When they are running well they are amazing.

  • @Tuberuser187
    @Tuberuser187 6 часов назад +1

    It has quite a spicy growl to it, one thing you can say about the styling is that it isnt boring or formulaic which is a quality all of its own. Also that Dodge at 5:15 😍

  • @S-Ltd1000
    @S-Ltd1000 5 часов назад +1

    Those Brava HGTs were rare even when in production. There's only about 50 left now.

  • @TrevorMcdaid
    @TrevorMcdaid 6 часов назад +2

    The 20v eingine had oil pressure issues. You always see them advertised with the warm idle oil pressure value.
    Had a20vt. Fabulous sound though.

  • @GuusvanLienen
    @GuusvanLienen 6 часов назад +3

    Great review, thanks! Imho very dark or very bright colors and the 'double' more open 4-spoke turbo wheels make an enormous difference.

  • @marks7471
    @marks7471 4 часа назад

    When they first came out, they came with nice presentation pack, one of the slogans was -
    No one in Italy grows up wanting to be a train driver.
    Or something like that.
    My mate ordered one of the first.

  • @Barmybob
    @Barmybob 3 часа назад +1

    I absolutely love these cars, had one for 15 years. I can fully understand the cars still having a lot of support and attention. Second hand these cars always seemed like an absolute bargain, but they were quite expensive to keep and not everyone was prepared for that. Cars that were run on a tight budget inevitably suffered. Fortunately there are people out there who are prepared to spend significant sums restoring, and keeping these cars alive but it is unlikely this spend will ever reflect in the cars value. Many cars of a similar age to the Coupé have increased in value significantly and are considered by many as collectable. For me the little Fiat Coupé is better than those cars, indeed it was so good, at what it did, that the only car I could ever replace it with was a MK3 TTRS, a car that was 20 years its junior.

  • @multislipful
    @multislipful 3 часа назад

    Thanks for bringing this excellent little coupé out for a drive. The interior was a minor triumph. It was great to have Fiat going off at a bit of a tangent in those days. I bought and enjoyed a top spec Multipla for nine years and it was such a clever design. The coupé also dared to be different and perhaps we should be more grateful for the flair of those more daring designers.😢

  • @robertwilkins3043
    @robertwilkins3043 3 часа назад +1

    I like the design it’s a shame that one isn’t one of the better colours Blue or Yellow.

  • @bikespages1897
    @bikespages1897 3 часа назад +1

    The coupé was designed by Chris Bangle I guess. The most desirable Fiat Coupé are the turbo versions, incredible torque and power though their main drawback - to me - is the FWD. I'm dreaming of a Fiat X1/9 with the coupé engine ;-) Cuore Italiano!

  • @AaaaandAction
    @AaaaandAction 5 часов назад +2

    As far as looks go, it trounces almost every new car today.

  • @mariumrajah
    @mariumrajah 3 часа назад +3

    I used to have this car
    20v Turbo
    Coming to think of it this car was fast 💨
    Not my fastest car but it was quick back then
    Never broke down on me , only once a fuse went on the fuel pump, it took a while to figure it out.
    220 bhp mines was running standard

  • @marcdelaunay1
    @marcdelaunay1 6 часов назад +2

    Great cars and engines….❤❤. The LE and Pluses were by far my favourites…

  • @huwprice881
    @huwprice881 3 часа назад +1

    It does look gawky with the small wheels, and the turgid colour doesn't do it any favours. In acid yellow (or maybe it should be Giallo Triplo Strato!) it looks stunning. As to the Multipla, I loved that too, I'd still love either in my garage (that I don't have!)

  • @JJHurst
    @JJHurst 5 часов назад +1

    Had two, one turbo one vis..
    Lovely car , Tipo platform same as the GTV , all the same foibles but with that lovely 5 cyl burble..The viscodrive system is brilliant and they're usefully quick.
    With some suspension upgrades and some turbo and mapping work they can be made to be "very " quick ..

  • @thatcheapguy525
    @thatcheapguy525 3 часа назад +1

    I've always loved the look of this FIAT Coupe, especially in yellow. it somehow reminds me of the Strada though I haven't got a clue why? if I had a barn somewhere it would be on my shopping list

  • @TheBTG88
    @TheBTG88 6 часов назад +2

    English correction: “Just TOO Bold?”

  • @1979rhino
    @1979rhino 6 часов назад +2

    Lol I loved my P reg Fiat cinqucento 1.1 Sporting in red and it was my firtst car when i was 18 and my neighbour had the Fiat Coupe 20v Turbo in red at the same time and I loved the turbo and was something I aspired to as a young lad but at the time insurance was just too much as my Cinqucento was 900 pounds back then in 97 as a 18 year old lol good times gone but not forgotten.

  • @misterbarrows1
    @misterbarrows1 3 часа назад

    Had a yellow 20v Turbo between 2014 and 2018. It was my daily and I put over 40000 miles on it. Loved that engine. Its origins were from a diesel engine that went into some Fiat vans I believe! The power delivery, the noise. Even drove from North Yorkshire to France for a camping holiday when the kids were young. When we got down to Dover we'd averaged 37mpg which is pretty good to be fair. It was rock solid reliable too. And a specialist changed the cambelt for £350, not £1200 like Fiat did. I loved the design but the wife hated it. She clearly has no taste. Well, she did marry me😅

  • @richbrice3299
    @richbrice3299 5 часов назад +1

    I've had 6 of these and I still have a nice 16vt and lovely plus. Bang for the buck, back in the day these were unbeatable and they looked so much more interesting than 'normal' cars. Have you done a 16vt test?

  • @michaelj3282
    @michaelj3282 5 часов назад +1

    Great cars, I had the 20V Turbo, that I bought ex demo after going shopping for a Tipo, Yellow so the flying banana it was. Loved it, only downside was it had a really poor turning circle.

  • @misfire33
    @misfire33 3 часа назад

    One of my all-time favourites and biggest dream cars--I know that's odd considering they're not all that expensive or rare, but as a minimum wage nobody in the 2020s where cans of tomato sauce get 50 cents more expensive every week and wages go up fifty cents every five years, well.

  • @mkadair
    @mkadair 4 часа назад

    The design is unique, but I like it. Then again, I drive a Subaru Baja. Fiat did go above and beyond with the little details. Thanks Jack!

  • @EyesWideOpen61
    @EyesWideOpen61 6 часов назад +1

    I absolutely and totally adore the styling of this car, Peak Bangle 🤩
    But I thought I heard you say Audi had a five cylinder so they could mount it as a transverse engine, alas Audi motors are longitudinal

  • @ThomasDoubting5
    @ThomasDoubting5 5 часов назад +1

    I personally love this car from all angles

  • @DoNuT_1985
    @DoNuT_1985 6 часов назад +1

    I don't know why, but it reminds me of of an Italdesign Cala in some ways. It's a quirky design but think it looks cool, especially in the trademark yellow.

  • @Trappygit
    @Trappygit 6 часов назад +1

    The turbo didnt have an LSD, it had a viscous coupling (called Visco-drive). There are options from Quaife though 👍🏻

  • @Mastermind12358
    @Mastermind12358 4 часа назад

    Such a cool car. Just sad how obsessed the Italians became with front wheel drive. Would love to see this and other Italians cars, such as the 156, as rear wheel drive.

  • @alexandrenogueiradasilva7983
    @alexandrenogueiradasilva7983 5 часов назад +1

    About the engine, I owned back in the day the 154hp version in the Bravo HGT, and t was great! Very flexible and tractable and still pulling hard into the limiter! And the sound was just glorious, Audi Quattroesque almost…
    Regarding the Coupe, the 1.8, for me, was the best handling one. Those 130 horses were no match for the 20v, specially the Turbo, but the lack of weight compared to the 5cyl lump, really made that steering come alive!

    • @DIGITartMEDIA
      @DIGITartMEDIA 4 часа назад

      True, the 1.8 engine from barchetta is much lighter and greatly improves the handling. Also the 1.8 engine has the faster steering rack, same on Alfa GTV.

    • @Trappygit
      @Trappygit 4 часа назад

      We didnt get the 1.8 in the UK.

  • @mariog4707
    @mariog4707 6 часов назад +3

    It’s such a weird car, beautiful inside yet goofy outside and yes the wheels are truly awful. It reminds me of those efforts by Ford and Vauxhall to make a sporty looking car on a Fiesta or Corsa platform - they just don’t work. However “bravo” (pardon the pun) to Fiat for being so bold, it’s such a shame to see what they’ve become now - a brand that makes one car in 5 different flavours - sad indeed.

  • @62Miles_SPH
    @62Miles_SPH 3 часа назад

    Lovely car, the Coupe. Always fancied one of the those but, sadly, couldn’t afford it.
    I did have a Bravo HGT, from new (which has the same floor pan), for nine years and loved it. As you say, its all about that fabulous engine - torquey, with a fabulous soundtrack. Sadly it was saddled with a rather ponderously slow and long-legged gearbox, when it really needed a much snappier one - there were some very good ones in Alfa’s of the time. The box was prone to baulking 3rd and 5th quite badly if rushed. The return spring for reverse broke, which was a known weak spot and is buried right at the centre of the box… There was no recall for it, either.
    Another problem with the Bravo HGT was it was the factory suspension set up was a little soft. I fitted mine with the Abarth lowering spring set which didn’t firm-up things much at all. Then I had a Koni adjustable kit fitted, which transformed things quite a lot. Body control was vastly improved, which was to be expected, but what I didn’t expect was vastly improved ride quality! I swear the kit also greatly improved overall performance though better traction. Easily outran a Mk5 Golf GTI, which surprised the hell out of me.
    The big problem with the 5 cylinder engine, though, is its size. The cam belt end is right up against one of the monocoque legs, so a belt change means lifting the engine up a bit - ideally, out altogether. This means a Fiat dealer charged just under £800 for a cam belt change - in 2005! Add to that a main service, and you’ll be charged around £1200 - which I was (admit I threw money at my cars in those days). No-one tells you that when you buy the car, funny enough. I think that is most probably one of the main reasons this engine was eventually discontinued.
    The big problem with Fiat Group at the time, as I understood it from motoring articles, was Fiat, Alfa and Lancia were essentially competing with each other, in the same price bands, and diluting overall sales potential - and the management of the Group were at a loss as to how to - er - manage that.
    Also, while I agree the whole Group was producing very interesting cars at the time, the output seemed a little erratic - like a huge blob of lovely coupes, all at the same time.
    I’m sure you, and others bothering to stay with me (thanking you, by the way), are ahead of me in thinking that the way to position and differentiate the three Group brands was obvious to anyone with two grains of common sense.
    Fiat Group completely missed the boat with Lancia on the 1990s - something that was staring them right in the face. At the very height of its powers, it had one of the ultimate halo cars of all time - the Integrale Evo’s I and II. They should have made Lancia the high-tech 4-wheel drive car brand of Italy. This would have been completely in keeping with the history of Lancia. Instead, the Group left that to Audi, Mitsubishi and Subaru.
    Alfa should always have remained the out-and-out sports car brand, aiming to be a BMW alternative. It’s taken the Group far too long to get around the that market position.
    Fiat should remain the ‘everyman’ brand, producing sporty small hatches like the 500 and Punto (why is there no Punto?…).
    Lastly, Abarth should not be a stand-alone brand. Previously, all Abarth tuned Fiats and Lancia's have always been referred to as a ‘Fiat/Lancia [insert model name] Abarth’. It just sounds right, because it is. Like the Mustang should be a FORD Mustang. That was the whole point - they are the ‘obtainable’ performance car. I fear the Fiat Group decision-making at the time was a bit too hap-hazard.
    Unfortunately, things are now far worse for Fiat Group. Stellantis are just a bunch of clueless accountants. When announcing the new Lancia Ypsilon hatchback racing programme, who does Stellantis get to do the press introduction? A real racing driver with true Lancia form, like Miki Biasion? No - the CEO of Stellantis thinks he should do it himself, of course! The conceit of the guy is just insulting - he’s there at the front-and-centre of any racing programme Stellantis commissions.
    Sorry everyone - I’ve only gone on like this because I love Italian cars so much.

  • @ColinGarner-h1t
    @ColinGarner-h1t 6 часов назад +3

    Shame the wheels didn’t fill the wheel arches .

  • @DolleHengst
    @DolleHengst 4 часа назад

    In the late 90's my parents had a Renault Safrane 2.5 20v. With the Volvo 5-cilinder, which itself was developed by Porsche. Porsche developed the 3.0 24v straight six for Volvo, as a modular engine.
    Anyway the shitty thing broke down due to something electrical, on a summer holiday in Italy.
    The replacement rental was a Marea Weekend 2.0 20v. And my dad kept raving about what a glorious engine this was. Better than the Volvo unit. Smoother, rev happier.

  • @MezMan37
    @MezMan37 3 часа назад

    Sold these back in the day... Bravo HGT was a belter... Ultra rare Marea HGT was a hoot too

  • @LeonKotze70
    @LeonKotze70 3 часа назад

    In South Africa, Fiat were gone for a couple of years, came back with the Uno... massive sales, but that, here at least, sealed their fate as a cheap card box car.
    I crew up on the back seat of a 125, so I do love the brand.

  • @luiscarlosvieira3966
    @luiscarlosvieira3966 6 часов назад +3

    Calling this car "ugly" is insane... Audi TT (1st gen) or Mercedes CLS (1st gen) are much closer to that and no one calls them "ugly"...
    FIAT group had awesome engineering but FIAT management were (and still are) untalented for auto industry and made very bad decisions...
    The Turbo 20v is a legend... an "Integrale" with that engine would have been a monster...

    • @Trappygit
      @Trappygit 6 часов назад +1

      You can fit the 4WD system to the Coupé. Plenty have done so. The tricky bit these days is finding a 155 Q4, Lancia Dedra or Integrale that someone wants to break rather than restore...

  • @daniellee9015
    @daniellee9015 6 часов назад +2

    Absolutely brilliant video jack ❤👍what a beautiful car I always loved these cars I remember I first saw these in Warrington outside the factory all.lined up outside they were amazing looking and different nicer than cars today which are just awful

  • @benwhitton2315
    @benwhitton2315 4 часа назад

    The engine was huge and heavy.... slung out that far in front on a Tipo due chassis. The brakes were hilarious....... HUGE on the front and something worthy of the Topilino on the back!

  • @johnchurch4705
    @johnchurch4705 5 часов назад +1

    I’m sure someone in the Fiat Motor Club as a Bravo HGT Jack, might be worth contacting them.

  • @jameshutton5979
    @jameshutton5979 5 часов назад +2

    Have a look at Number 27's review of the 20V Turbo

    • @smorris12
      @smorris12 4 часа назад

      Err, this is Number 27!

    • @jameshutton5979
      @jameshutton5979 3 часа назад

      How much ganga have you been eating?

  • @gregmarking6716
    @gregmarking6716 5 часов назад

    @ 5.40 - Come on Jack, I thought you knew your cars! An inline 6 can be transversely mounted. Austin, Morris, Wolseley 18-22 series, Volvo V60 and S80 are a few that spring straight to my mind.

  • @mjk4554
    @mjk4554 4 часа назад +1

    I think it might be that the wheels are slightly too small. I like the bold body style.

  • @michaelcordes
    @michaelcordes 3 часа назад

    i had a 20v and a 20v turbo the way the 20v shoved you back into your seat when you changed from 1st to 2nd i haven't experienced in any other car, the 20v turbo was much faster but didn't do the same thing on the gear change. had a brava 20v too exactly the same as the coupe to drive i think they share a platform. the brava was more of a sleeper though met a sad end went through a deep puddle and bent a rod. only problems you had with the turbo and the n/a was both suffered with manifolds cracking and the other was the dreaded cambelt change. other than that totally reliable.

  • @TenorCantusFirmus
    @TenorCantusFirmus 6 часов назад +2

    The top-range 20v Turbo was the fastest front-wheel car of its era - It topped at 250 KpH, which sounds strange to be said for a FWD FIAT...
    Here in Italy it was considered a sort of wannabe Ferrari, expecially in red. The c*ckiest, b*llsiest owners even added prancing horses, but all what were usually able to get was being laughed at badly.

  • @john1703
    @john1703 4 часа назад

    The Audi 5 cylinder (Quattro) was not transverse. You can mount a 6 transversely, if you put the gearbox underneath (Austin 2200). Smoothness is not only about mechanical balance, there is power stroke overlap (or "underlap" to consider). You could also have that engine in the Marea saloon/estate.

  • @briansteele2723
    @briansteele2723 5 часов назад

    I remember driving past my local fiat garage repeatedly in my boring Renault Laguna and wishing I had a bright blue or silver Coupe Turbo. The wheels looked way too small even then but overall a fun car

  • @alexeijolkin7851
    @alexeijolkin7851 3 часа назад

    I remember these very well. There was one like this in the neighbourhood, and I could not let it but think, is the guy totally blind? That Pininfarina proposal rejected by FIAT was a stunning beauty, sadly Peugeot put a PRV engine in it which ruined the whole deal… So, a sad story all together…

  • @hanskaesbohrer2809
    @hanskaesbohrer2809 5 часов назад

    Thank you for the nice test drive...I had a Barchetta back in the days, nice car, but plagued with problems (engine / camshaft) plus Fiat had no good chassis to offer (front wheel drive for a sporty car 😁). The chassis came from the bigger family car models and were adapted, same goes for Alfa and Lancia, in the 90`s already Fiats companies. That shows the real decline of Fiat and Alfa - they had such great cars in the 60/70´s (124/128/ all Alfa 😍) but in the 80`s/90` Fiat and Alfa were only a shadow of that great time.

  • @thoregilandersen2797
    @thoregilandersen2797 6 часов назад +2

    Audi did not have the 5 cylinder engine mounted transverse before the TT and RS3 got a 5 cyl.

    • @hughstultz7849
      @hughstultz7849 5 часов назад +1

      That is correct. Longitudinal, well in front of the front axle!

  • @JeremyJones-t8e
    @JeremyJones-t8e 3 часа назад

    Just after Y2000, I was looking for one of these. In the end, I figured FIAT dealers would not be performance car specialists. So I bought a Subaru instead. Quite a happy car community really but absolutely no more than 24mpg, and it had to be SUL.

  • @bertenpetrasinagl2692
    @bertenpetrasinagl2692 6 часов назад +1

    Oewwww! I'd almost forgot about this model/car! Loved the look (yes, l had the same double thoughts as you but in all it sooooo pleased my sences) As a Lancia fan and several 90's and early 2000's types owned and driven, this Fiat feels like a typical Lancia but stolen by Fiat...I know it's a shout in the mud but.....common' if it was a Lancia nobody would give you the odd eye...hahaha. All in all; nice car, great looks (still) and....buy them if you can get your hands on it!!!!

  • @murrieteacher
    @murrieteacher 3 часа назад

    Loved this car. Loved the engine. I came from a long list of FIATs, coupes, sedans, 124 and 125 and 131s. But they rusted.

  • @mikeypv6
    @mikeypv6 6 часов назад +1

    I always wondered why they didn't use the Turbo in the Bravo and Marea since they already use the 20v

  • @Rafagafanhotobra
    @Rafagafanhotobra 6 часов назад +2

    I think that even if FIAT chose the proposal of the 406, it would still not be successful. Peugeot HAD the 406 by themselves and they also couldn't figure it out.

    • @hughstultz7849
      @hughstultz7849 5 часов назад +1

      The Coupe is a striking, very deliberate , almost brutalist design. Only the Italians could pull this off. As much a stand out design as a TVR Tuscan. Loved it when I first saw it at a car show. Regret passing over the chance to buy a cosmetically damaged car years ago, when they were still cheap. Now ULEZ makes it in practical to own, living in London 😢

  • @alaricbragg7843
    @alaricbragg7843 4 часа назад

    Thanks for this video! Childhood favorite!

  • @PenryMMJ
    @PenryMMJ 6 часов назад +5

    The design is classic Chris Bangle. It's ugly, and then it isn't, then it is again, and then it isn't.

    • @michaelorlando6159
      @michaelorlando6159 5 часов назад +1

      I have one i find it very attractive yet there are some points that are not .but i cant pin point it. Fat quarter panels perhaps

    • @brianiswrong
      @brianiswrong 4 часа назад

      Spot on with a few Chris bangle designs, love it,hate it,love hate it, 20 years later miss it.

  • @rupertorgan7749
    @rupertorgan7749 6 часов назад +1

    I test drove a few of the 20v turbo models about ten years ago, the last being a very tidy broom yellow example remapped to 260bhp, on sale for very little money. But somehow I couldn't get my head around buying another Fiat, because all the ones I'd owned before had had issues, which was bloody stupid when I already owned a couple of Alfas and a Lancia at the time and they were hardly paragons of reliability!

    • @Trappygit
      @Trappygit 6 часов назад +1

      The Coupés were built by Pininfarina (alongside the Ferraris) and were much better built than other Fiats.

  • @CFtablet
    @CFtablet 4 часа назад

    Fiat sold the Marea (sedan and station wagon "Weekend") with the "Fivetech" engine here in Brazil (2.0 Turbo and 2.4 naturally aspirated) . The major issue with it was that Fiat, recklessly, chose to schedule the car services every 20,000 km instead of the usual 15,000 with an oil change at every 7,500 (depending on the kind of engine oil), and it proved to be not adequate to assure its reliability in our environment, with fuel quality issues back then. I'm mentioning the Marea because only around 1,200 Coupés were sold, while the numbers for the Marea were much better: around 55,000 sedans and 15,000 wagons.

  • @DjNikGnashers
    @DjNikGnashers 3 часа назад

    I have always liked these, and think it was on of Bangle's best designs.
    If it was RWD they would be revered as classic coupes now. And a better handling car.

  • @stevewhite9653
    @stevewhite9653 5 часов назад +1

    God that engine sounds like it going to blow up. 😳

  • @stevemawer848
    @stevemawer848 4 часа назад

    12:02 Your proofreader slipped up - "to bold" isn't a verb - but "too bold" would be good. 🙂

  • @nigeltrigger4499
    @nigeltrigger4499 5 часов назад

    In my minds eye, rounding the wheel arches with larger wheels and smoothing out the diagonal cuts makes it look prettier.

  • @francoisbessac8563
    @francoisbessac8563 4 часа назад

    Chris Bangle from FIAT design centre for outside design, Pininfarina for inside design....

  • @TrevorMcdaid
    @TrevorMcdaid 6 часов назад +1

    I forgot about the steering. Used to catch me out when i would jump into her car.😢

  • @djneils100
    @djneils100 5 часов назад +1

    great video but disappointed he's not saying "fiat" or "multipla" in the Italian accent 🤷‍♀

  •  3 часа назад

    Genius - just like Multipla and thus most people NOT getting it.

  • @albertperks3476
    @albertperks3476 4 часа назад

    I know the FIAT Coupe is awkward at some angles and generally eccentric in its overall look but for me that's part of it charm. 30 years from now people will be paying a lot for that car - the Peugeot 406 Coupe you showed won't come close as it's not distinctive enough - it will be appreciated but the FIAT will be fought over.

  • @MaximilianvonPinneberg
    @MaximilianvonPinneberg 5 часов назад

    When I was on work experience I had a fleet car that had this engine in a Marea. Cracking engine. Just slightly let down by the rest of the car.

  • @nelsonclub7722
    @nelsonclub7722 4 часа назад

    My brother had one - I drove it once. It went like a missile but steered like a cow - I also hated the look of the Bangle 'edges' which he amazingly managed to convince BMW to ruin all their cars with soon after.

  • @sandervr10
    @sandervr10 4 часа назад

    For me , yes there are better looking cars ...but it's something special and the 5 cylinder seals the deal...a must buy

  • @sevesellors2831
    @sevesellors2831 5 часов назад

    Great review and a car that stood out. So the $64,000 question would you take this over a Berra?

  • @michaelpegasiou4531
    @michaelpegasiou4531 5 часов назад +1

    Interior is pretty cool,the outside is nice from some angles but the wheels are way too small and boring but it beats the hell out of these ugly electric suvs clogging up the roads.

  • @DaveSpecC
    @DaveSpecC 5 часов назад +1

    Ace cars, always fancied one, or swapping the 20v Turbo unit into something else, Bravo Mk1 or 147 maybe

  • @Frogdog0007
    @Frogdog0007 6 часов назад +2

    Gorgeous car