Just got my PPL-Helicopter in the Cabri G2. If you get yourself into a Vortex Ring State, the very high likelihood is you will be at low altitude. Why even bother with the Traditional recovery (forward cyclic)? The Vuichard Recovery Technique is the more appropriate option at low altitude. You fight like you train.
Thanks for that! So, I take it if I were in an MD or Bell, I would want to apply hard left pedal, (or 'aggressive-left') and slip right cyclic. Essentially, just the opposite of what would be done in a helicopter that has the CW rotor, like the G2. Do helicopter pilots encounter a Vortex Ring State often? I mean, is it a common phenomenon and typically expected? I'm not a helicopter pilot but have always had a great interest in flying helicopters. I've had the opportunity to handle the controls of a Bell 206B several times when a pilot friend of mine offered me a chance. I don't know why, but I seemed to have a second-sense handling a helicopter (according to the pilot, anyway), and understood the basics. However, the cost to acquire a private license, (back when I was younger), was more of an expense than I could justify. Now, I'm 66 and must live with the regret off not finding a way to get that license 20 years ago. These days, I fly a very high powered desktop PC that I've built to handle the high-resolution demands of a flight simulator. Thanks again for the video, Rich
@@henkeH2 I certainly agree! In fact I have tried DCS! I own the Black Shark disc and Even though I bought that disc about 8 or 9 years ago, I believe the sim platform itself is absolutely the best of them all even now. However, because I have a limited amount of time to dedicate to PC flight, I found that I would use a lot of time trying to learn, understand, and setup the DCS sim properly. I barely recall flying that Black Shark chopper more than two or three times. The Black Shark disc I own was for Windows 7 and I don't know if it would even work on my present O/S, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit. In addition, I build my own Desktop PCs and I have a pretty powerful system now, but all my internal SATA drive ports are filled. I have One, 1TB, internally mounted NVMe drive, (which is dedicated to MSFS), and I have 6 internally mounted SATA6 SSDs (5 are 500GB and One is a 1TB capacity). I also have a single, 1TB externally mounted SATA SSD. and several 'loose', external NVMe drives used for system backups. My point here is that I don't have any room left to install another large sim platform like DCS. I also own the WWI ROF flight sim, which I really liked, and because the aircraft were relatively simpler, faster to learn. That meant a faster setup and more time in the air. I know that there are alternative ways to install DCS and/or ROF, such as Steam, but I can't get a straight answer on how much ROM will be used up with a Steam version, (or any other alternate installation method). Plus, I can't seem to get a good answer on how much better, worse, or alike the alternate installation methods are compared to a fully installed version on an internally mounted drive. If you happen to know the answer to either of those questions, please offer some clarity! In fact, I flew FSX for almost 9 years and when Windows 10 came out, I was disappointed that it couldn't run FSX. At least, that's what they said in the first year of Windows 10. Then I found out only about 5 months ago, that FSX CAN be installed and DOES run in Windows 10! I have the 3-disc FSX, (the Gold edition w/Accelerator disc), and in the 9 years that I flew FSX, I invested thousands of USD in high resolution, 3rd-party addons. I mean like $4K or $5K! Everything from aircraft to mesh, HR airports & airfields to HR water and atmosphere/weather. It all added up to a big very large investment, (no kidding!). All of my FSX addons and SATA installation are just sitting in a few SSD drives that probably aren't useful if I were to build a new system, just for FSX. From all of that, you can see that one solution is to build another system that would be dedicated to FSX, DCS, and ROF sim platforms. That's pretty much what I have for a near-future plan. The only thing holding me back is the cost, of course. I built my present system about 2 years ago and it cost me about $4500. I'm talking about a build from scratch. The new build is going to cost me at least that much if not more and I'm guessing that I'll begin buying the Case, Mobo and hardware and monitor sometime around the end of January 2024. There's no point in building a system any less powerful than my present system, especially if the computer needs to run flight sim programs that demand a lot of resources. So, I'm keeping an eye out for "Open-Box" discounted GPUs and the top-end Intel CPU available. It'll probably cost me around $5k, give or take. FWIW, Rich
Hi HOGS, what are your thoughts about the recent helicopter crashes with tail boom separation apparently attributed to Vortex Ring State? ruclips.net/video/iPwURo0k0wQ/видео.html Could you do a video about these accidents and your thoughts about Vortex Ring Stare and the Vuichard Recovery Method? Thanks in advance.
@@HelicopterGround You are welcome! some fixed wings pilots don't know much about the Vortex Ring State and think the Vuichard Recovery Method is dangerous and causing these accidents. Your insight on this will be greatly appreciated.
My advice is to not take advice from "Bubba Everyman" on a subject he does not actually understand. Those tail boom strikes are likely due to abrupt/improper inputs and/or low rotor loading/RPM. VRS is it's own specific issue. If you wildly screw up what you're supposed to do to get into VRS (for training) and out of it, sure, you could chop your tail off. But VRS isn't adding anything to that equation. It is specifically a condition that your rotor is overloaded and you're sinking into your own downwash (vortex.) So as long as it's loaded, it requires effort to get your rotor to diverge. If anything, the Vuichard is universally safer overall, because it's more effective and the sequence loads the rotor first and moves the collective last, which is important for teetering 2-blade systems to avoid a low-G maneuver.
Good to see both examples demonstrated.
Thanks for commenting.
These videos are so great and informative, so glad you're doing these. Keep up the great work
Thank you! 😎
Thanks for the demonstration. Love the G2.
You bet
Just went over this In ground this is a nice demonstration in flight before I practice this week in flight
Thanks for commenting.
Just got my PPL-Helicopter in the Cabri G2.
If you get yourself into a Vortex Ring State, the very high likelihood is you will be at low altitude.
Why even bother with the Traditional recovery (forward cyclic)?
The Vuichard Recovery Technique is the more appropriate option at low altitude.
You fight like you train.
Thanks for the feedback!
Wonderful video! Thank you both!
Very welcome
I see the G2's as the next GA hot seller!
It's gaining popularity for sure!
Thanks for that! So, I take it if I were in an MD or Bell, I would want to apply hard left pedal, (or 'aggressive-left') and slip right cyclic. Essentially, just the opposite of what would be done in a helicopter that has the CW rotor, like the G2. Do helicopter pilots encounter a Vortex Ring State often? I mean, is it a common phenomenon and typically expected?
I'm not a helicopter pilot but have always had a great interest in flying helicopters. I've had the opportunity to handle the controls of a Bell 206B several times when a pilot friend of mine offered me a chance. I don't know why, but I seemed to have a second-sense handling a helicopter (according to the pilot, anyway), and understood the basics.
However, the cost to acquire a private license, (back when I was younger), was more of an expense than I could justify. Now, I'm 66 and must live with the regret off not finding a way to get that license 20 years ago. These days, I fly a very high powered desktop PC that I've built to handle the high-resolution demands of a flight simulator.
Thanks again for the video,
Rich
Thank you Rich. Vortex ring state does happen it's one of the biggest dangers for pilots.
If you haven’t tried it already, I highly recommend DCS (Digital Combat Simulator) on pc. Very realistic helicopter models, a lot of fun.
@@henkeH2 I certainly agree! In fact I have tried DCS! I own the Black Shark disc and Even though I bought that disc about 8 or 9 years ago, I believe the sim platform itself is absolutely the best of them all even now. However, because I have a limited amount of time to dedicate to PC flight, I found that I would use a lot of time trying to learn, understand, and setup the DCS sim properly.
I barely recall flying that Black Shark chopper more than two or three times. The Black Shark disc I own was for Windows 7 and I don't know if it would even work on my present O/S, Windows 10 Pro 64 bit.
In addition, I build my own Desktop PCs and I have a pretty powerful system now, but all my internal SATA drive ports are filled.
I have One, 1TB, internally mounted NVMe drive, (which is dedicated to MSFS), and I have 6 internally mounted SATA6 SSDs (5 are 500GB and One is a 1TB capacity). I also have a single, 1TB externally mounted SATA SSD. and several 'loose', external NVMe drives used for system backups.
My point here is that I don't have any room left to install another large sim platform like DCS. I also own the WWI ROF flight sim, which I really liked, and because the aircraft were relatively simpler, faster to learn. That meant a faster setup and more time in the air.
I know that there are alternative ways to install DCS and/or ROF, such as Steam, but I can't get a straight answer on how much ROM will be used up with a Steam version, (or any other alternate installation method). Plus, I can't seem to get a good answer on how much better, worse, or alike the alternate installation methods are compared to a fully installed version on an internally mounted drive.
If you happen to know the answer to either of those questions, please offer some clarity!
In fact, I flew FSX for almost 9 years and when Windows 10 came out, I was disappointed that it couldn't run FSX. At least, that's what they said in the first year of Windows 10. Then I found out only about 5 months ago, that FSX CAN be installed and DOES run in Windows 10!
I have the 3-disc FSX, (the Gold edition w/Accelerator disc), and in the 9 years that I flew FSX, I invested thousands of USD in high resolution, 3rd-party addons. I mean like $4K or $5K! Everything from aircraft to mesh, HR airports & airfields to HR water and atmosphere/weather. It all added up to a big very large investment, (no kidding!).
All of my FSX addons and SATA installation are just sitting in a few SSD drives that probably aren't useful if I were to build a new system, just for FSX.
From all of that, you can see that one solution is to build another system that would be dedicated to FSX, DCS, and ROF sim platforms. That's pretty much what I have for a near-future plan.
The only thing holding me back is the cost, of course. I built my present system about 2 years ago and it cost me about $4500. I'm talking about a build from scratch. The new build is going to cost me at least that much if not more and I'm guessing that I'll begin buying the Case, Mobo and hardware and monitor sometime around the end of January 2024.
There's no point in building a system any less powerful than my present system, especially if the computer needs to run flight sim programs that demand a lot of resources. So, I'm keeping an eye out for "Open-Box" discounted GPUs and the top-end Intel CPU available. It'll probably cost me around $5k, give or take.
FWIW,
Rich
Great camera work for that similarly professional demonstration of the techniques and merits. Thanks gents.
Thank you Gear Whine 😎 we appreciate that!
So you’re only simulating VRS? doesn’t that defeat the purpose of training?
We train for all emergencies.
Hi HOGS, what are your thoughts about the recent helicopter crashes with tail boom separation apparently attributed to Vortex Ring State? ruclips.net/video/iPwURo0k0wQ/видео.html
Could you do a video about these accidents and your thoughts about Vortex Ring Stare and the Vuichard Recovery Method? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@HelicopterGround You are welcome! some fixed wings pilots don't know much about the Vortex Ring State and think the Vuichard Recovery Method is dangerous and causing these accidents. Your insight on this will be greatly appreciated.
My advice is to not take advice from "Bubba Everyman" on a subject he does not actually understand. Those tail boom strikes are likely due to abrupt/improper inputs and/or low rotor loading/RPM. VRS is it's own specific issue.
If you wildly screw up what you're supposed to do to get into VRS (for training) and out of it, sure, you could chop your tail off. But VRS isn't adding anything to that equation. It is specifically a condition that your rotor is overloaded and you're sinking into your own downwash (vortex.) So as long as it's loaded, it requires effort to get your rotor to diverge.
If anything, the Vuichard is universally safer overall, because it's more effective and the sequence loads the rotor first and moves the collective last, which is important for teetering 2-blade systems to avoid a low-G maneuver.
@@benthurber5363 Thanks a lot for your insightful reply. Greatly appreciated!
How about going backwards?
You can with the traditional method.
Would this technique have saved Kobe Bryant if his pilot knew about it?
Negative.
Guys, here's a graphic demo of the technique: ruclips.net/video/UBGZH8PzfTI/видео.html.
Thank you