Technology and Chess: Playing Chat GPT and Using Engines to Analyze Your Games

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
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Комментарии • 96

  • @Rubrickety
    @Rubrickety Год назад +25

    ChatGPT's commentary on its moves is great. "I captured your pawn on d5 with my knight, creating a double attack on both your queen and the newly captured pawn." Even top human grandmasters rarely see the potential of attacking pieces that have already been captured.

  • @TuxTuxedo-oc9kg
    @TuxTuxedo-oc9kg Год назад +9

    I like how Ben is calculating possible comments and refuting them before they even happen. He's like an engine.

  • @mrpacifism209
    @mrpacifism209 Год назад +12

    this was a really helpful lecture actually. I watch a lot of your lectures on openings and famous players and whatnot, but never actually learned how to study chess or tips on how to do that... so thanks!

  • @jakob.conrad
    @jakob.conrad Год назад +9

    Leela is free online! But there’s no reason to get it over Stockfish, and, like you said, any of the top engines are more than strong enough to help the gawking rabble. Ben is right yet again.

  • @mydevice2596
    @mydevice2596 Год назад +33

    "And then ChatGPT played Bb5+ ☝️AGAIN☝️"

    • @whycantiremainanonymous8091
      @whycantiremainanonymous8091 Год назад

      It also played d4 ¡again¡

    • @nobuharu2336
      @nobuharu2336 Год назад +1

      Always repeat

    • @ryankoski2499
      @ryankoski2499 7 месяцев назад

      I love that I can imagine exactly the hand motion you implied by the emotes. Finegold has such a unique repertoire of memorable jokes.

  • @answeris4217
    @answeris4217 Год назад +2

    Awesome you landed a sposor. Hopefully you land many more and keep this one.
    This was a great lecture Ben don't sell yourself short. I learned more on this lecture than I did for a while.

  • @mattputnam3659
    @mattputnam3659 Год назад +14

    ChatGPT is not "an AI for everything". It's a language model. It's good at producing text in a way that is similar to things people have written on the internet. That's it.

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight Год назад +3

      It's no surprise how good it is at being wrong then.

    • @scaptal
      @scaptal Год назад

      @@ribbonsofnight I mean, it just tries to write believable text, its knowledge of chess and the underlying concepts is pretty low, but besides its rediculous moves its text seems pretty well made

  • @GoodMeasureGaming
    @GoodMeasureGaming Год назад +3

    In chessbase, when you were looking to create a db with those Xiong games, does selecting one, then hitting Ctrl+A select them all? Hoping to teach you something for once Ben!

  • @scheimong
    @scheimong Год назад +25

    Obviously Leela is free and everybody knows that why don't you know it?

    • @askthepizzaguy
      @askthepizzaguy Год назад

      Cue someone not understanding the context of this comment and then complaining about it without watching the video..... now!

  • @newzild1
    @newzild1 Год назад +2

    Great introduction to these tools, thanks Ben. I’m 2200 and nearly all of this was new to me.

  • @learningisfun2108
    @learningisfun2108 Год назад +1

    Thanks Ben, for the Chessable info. Great lesson, overall. Looking forward to more.

  • @samlen5081
    @samlen5081 Год назад +4

    When will I be able to purchase Bark like a Grandmaster?

    • @andersaskjrgensen5468
      @andersaskjrgensen5468 Год назад +1

      the dog is writing the book, but it wants it to be accurate, so in 15 dog years or so

  • @HobertMallow
    @HobertMallow Год назад +2

    I am a robotics engineer and use ML in my job. Saying that chatGPT is an AI for everything is incorrect. It's a language model, it is basically a sophisticated parrot (although a parrot is probably smarter in terms of general intelligence). It can't play chess because it doesn't understand what chess is. There's no actual intelligence behind it, it's just a text predictor that is good and figuring out what words go well as answers to the words you're feeding in.

  • @LesterBrunt
    @LesterBrunt 5 месяцев назад +1

    chatgpt was fun when it first came out, but if you spend any time with it you find out it can;'t do anything. It is just writing random words that sound somewhat coherent.

  • @mmitleidt7969
    @mmitleidt7969 Год назад

    Somehow I would be interested in a high resolution picture of Mr. Finegold's shelf to see what chess books he used. Could only recognize a few. :)

  • @Marcos-tp4lm
    @Marcos-tp4lm Год назад +1

    thank you for the lecture gm ben finegold

  • @luffy2600
    @luffy2600 Год назад +1

    Is there a bongcloud course on chessable??

  • @tolkienfan1972
    @tolkienfan1972 Год назад +2

    I think the important thing about analyzing with an engine is the fact it will point out lines you hadn't considered, especially much better lines and for both sides. And very quickly at that. The engine doesn't need to be all that much better than you for this purpose.

    • @andrewferguson6901
      @andrewferguson6901 Год назад +1

      I'd say more importantly perhaps than good or best moves. The engine is VEEEEERY good at proving mistakes as such.

    • @tolkienfan1972
      @tolkienfan1972 Год назад

      @@andrewferguson6901 a mistake is only a mistake due to the existence of better moves

    • @elg7365
      @elg7365 Год назад +1

      ​@@tolkienfan1972you must be a philosopher. A mistake is a mistake caus there a re better moves? No shit.

    • @tolkienfan1972
      @tolkienfan1972 Год назад

      @@elg7365 did you read the comment I responded to? I'm guessing not, because it makes your comment look silly

    • @elg7365
      @elg7365 Год назад

      No shit

  • @MrCheeze
    @MrCheeze Год назад +1

    Surprisingly, almost nothing said was wrong. Stockfish is indeed much better than Leela, which is much better than AlphaZero was back when it still existed (it was short-lived like Deep Blue). Also Stockfish and Leela are indeed both free.
    The one thing he missed is that modern Stockfish ("Stockfish NNUE") now incorporates neural nets as well, although to a lesser degree than the other two.

  • @rickdynes
    @rickdynes Год назад

    Thank You, Ben; .. absolutely Fascinating video 😊

  • @evgiz0r
    @evgiz0r Год назад

    In the explorer it doesnt show the most common, but rather the position. If there are transpositions its hard to tell what move is actually common.
    For example try Nf3 Nc6 Ng1. It will say Nb8 is the most common move, which is obviously nonesense

  • @donovan665
    @donovan665 Год назад +1

    Simply Brilliant.

  • @mynameischess230
    @mynameischess230 Год назад +1

    Babe wake up new Fingold video just dropped

  • @lyricsbpt
    @lyricsbpt Год назад +2

    Hey finegold I got a ?. How do you blunder on both sides of the board 😊

  • @thenick3216
    @thenick3216 Год назад +2

    I like Lichessdotorg because it is free. Thanks for the video Ben.

  • @mynameischess230
    @mynameischess230 Год назад +3

    Congrats on your sponsor Ben

  • @gregorymorse8423
    @gregorymorse8423 Год назад

    StockFish is likely the best based on the most objective measures available namely 100 or ideally more games in various forced openings and free openings. At very small time settings, there might be special engine builds that could do better e.g. milliseconds or microseconds. That it is free and open source and has advanced heuristics specially for evaluating chess postitions also neural networks and a large developer community is even better.

  • @mario97br
    @mario97br Год назад +1

    If I understood it correctly, chatgpt has an issue with something called object permanence. It dosen't understand, that there were physical objects simulated who have implications on the movement of the pieces. Chatgpts core is a statistical word prediction algorithm. By this, it generates a reaction based on the last interaction, partly independently of what had happened before. It also explains partly the moves it played against Ben. The most played opening is e4 going into the italian or spanish. So statistically the e pawn has already moved when you play Bb5. In the same manner, usually - most likely - there is a knight on c6, so there is no issue with the bishop being attacked by a pawn. The algorithm dosen't comprehend, that the situation has changed and how this influences the required response. It's a statistical tool, not a linear.

  • @jenm1
    @jenm1 Год назад

    If you give gpt the pgn, it's less likely to make illegal moves. It typically plays like stockfish 14

  • @tolkienfan1972
    @tolkienfan1972 Год назад +4

    Maybe you should ask it to play legal moves

    • @tolkienfan1972
      @tolkienfan1972 Год назад

      It clearly doesn't have general intelligence

  • @IsaacBenevides
    @IsaacBenevides Год назад +6

    4:38 obviously it played the OTHER bishop to b5 smh

  • @paulgoogol2652
    @paulgoogol2652 Год назад

    Me: Hey. Here is a chess game a played. What do you think?
    ChatGPT: Maybe chess is not your game. Try checkers.
    Stockfish: What he said.

  • @AG-ld6rv
    @AG-ld6rv Год назад +2

    Just a little history about Alpha Zero. The type of AI that it uses can have its calculation time accelerated on graphics cards. Long story short, a graphics card has hundreds of tiny processors (whereas your processor has maybe 2-20), and it helps that kind of AI crunch numbers to find an answer.
    The trick the Open AI team did when they beat Stockfish, which only runs on CPUs, is they had their famous matches with Stockfish using a CPU (way less computing power per unit time) versus Alpha Zero running on a GPU (way more computation per unit time). In that sense, Stockfish had a clear compute disadvantage. This would be like having Stockfish with 30 minutes of compute time play Stockfish with 10 minutes of compute time and then be like, "Wow, Stockfish is better than Stockfish."
    I have to be fair and admit Alpha Zero uses a different technique than Stockfish, and it was still impressive. I'm just not sure if, with the computation the same, it would have actually beaten Stockfish. Alpha Zero got a lot of wins in closed positions where having more compute lets the engine see further.
    More or less, they structured the tournament to where Alpha Zero would surely win.
    There are chess engine tournament organizations, and they run Leela Zero on CPU mode (even though it can run on a GPU to get accelerated just like Alpha Zero). It still does a great job as it's a strong engine, but Stockfish is still king over it. Plus, Stockfish integrated a bit of that AI magic in newer versions, making it even stronger. That's what that NNUE thing is all about. That's stockfish using an AI model to evaluate positions. It's a much more lightweight AI model than the one Alpha or Leela Zero use, but it still outperformed the old evaluation model that was handwritten by humans.

  • @GG-bi8tb
    @GG-bi8tb Год назад

    i'm always fascinated by the fact that not only "best move" is not the best move, but that even a move better than "best move" may not be the actual best move

    • @tolkienfan1972
      @tolkienfan1972 Год назад +1

      According to game theory, there is at least one best move. By definition, there is no better. It's usually academic. But true

    • @Eidenhoek
      @Eidenhoek Год назад

      @@tolkienfan1972 Isn't it the Well-Ordered Principle, tho?

    • @tolkienfan1972
      @tolkienfan1972 Год назад

      @@Eidenhoek you don't need that principle for the proof. Possibly you can incorporate it, but I haven't seen it

  • @Victor-vx9nu
    @Victor-vx9nu Месяц назад

    Thank you Fen Binegold

  • @uPenguin
    @uPenguin Год назад

    Great Engines of the Past

  • @ErmirGjoni-y9w
    @ErmirGjoni-y9w Год назад +1

    Go Ben!

  • @Geelse_zot
    @Geelse_zot Год назад +1

    The engine comparison is like asking Magnus or Wesley So to analyse my game. Just because Wesley So's rating is lower, doesn't mean his analysis has less value to me.

  • @tomyman
    @tomyman Год назад

    Leela is free and quite strong but you need a good GPU (the CPU-only version sucks)

  • @ZsebtelepHUN
    @ZsebtelepHUN Год назад

    Im not an expert, but ChatGPT is just working with a practically endless source of text and doing analysis on that huge amount of info, and coughs up stuff that *look like* a reasonable answer to your questions.
    ChatGPT playing chess is chaotic because it doesnt actually play chess, it just coughs up random algebraic notations, because for its text-analysing algorithms, chess is nothing more than random letters and random squares named after each other.

  • @paulandaloro8514
    @paulandaloro8514 Год назад

    do you remember our conversation about chess AI forty years ago? hoy hoy digging up bones send me the bill

  • @trish8321
    @trish8321 Год назад +1

    It's not good at playing chess with you. But sometimes I ask it to explain in depth why a move was a blunder, which is helpful. The engine is not good at explaining "why" and I'm not good at memorising moves if I don't know the why.

  • @toniright4932
    @toniright4932 Год назад +2

    Hmmm... it seems Ben needs more comments. Here is one more.

  • @andersaskjrgensen5468
    @andersaskjrgensen5468 Год назад +4

    * many comments *
    and so forth

  • @DreamyJives
    @DreamyJives Год назад +2

    Why is Bens chair vibrating so much? What is happening?

    • @klausfiedler64
      @klausfiedler64 Год назад

      Yep, I noticed that as well. Actually not the first time. Is it a vibrating chair, a nervous system disorder or Ben just needs to get to the toilet? I don't know.

  • @asdf14051
    @asdf14051 Год назад

    yes, leela chess zero, lc0, is free and open source

  • @ribbonsofnight
    @ribbonsofnight Год назад +1

    GM Finegold is completely wrong.
    He is the leading authority on the things he's talking about.

  • @getmilked6216
    @getmilked6216 Год назад

    go ben!

  • @OwenKraweki
    @OwenKraweki Год назад +1

    It already played d4, so I don't have to do anything 😂😂😂

  • @peteryftalvarado5095
    @peteryftalvarado5095 Год назад

    I feel like Ben is trying to come up with some new Finegold quotables? "You're wrong, but even if you were right, you're still wrong... and "You're so bad at chess, you're opinion matters even less than when I didnt care"...

  • @adeather
    @adeather Год назад +2

    Why is your chair shaking?

  • @ircjesselee
    @ircjesselee Год назад

    Would you have been able to tell Chat GPT that only knights can jump over other pieces so it would learn and not try to use the bishop incorrectly?

    • @darkdragon4148
      @darkdragon4148 Год назад

      To an extent. It listens in the moment and may attempt to make another move, but it would take much more for any meaningful changes to the way it plays chess

  • @mschosting
    @mschosting Год назад

    chat gpt is a language module, still you can just tell him, hi look you can not make this move because xxx and it will try and correct the move

  • @paulgoogol2652
    @paulgoogol2652 Год назад

    Ben could teach chess to chapgpt. Then you'd really show him!

  • @CaptainX24
    @CaptainX24 Год назад +1

    This comments section isn't the worst at all! Ben you are a liar and a fraud for telling us it would be bad!

  • @Demian_R
    @Demian_R Год назад

    Continuity is a problem with all of these AI's.

  • @Minodrec
    @Minodrec Год назад

    Ypu cannot mass.refund on chessable. Some ppl tried to be clever. I could have had 3 courses refund at once but I wouldn't rry much more. But you need months to go threx some of those courses anyway. So pick a few you like and dont be afraid refund part of them.

  • @katanasteel
    @katanasteel Год назад

    Stockfish stronger faster harder better

  • @yotoober1
    @yotoober1 Год назад

    Chat got cheats moves?
    Should be a great game against👋👋 Nieman.

  • @iuliansurugiu7762
    @iuliansurugiu7762 Год назад +1

    Ben? Why is your belly dancing?

  • @joelcuerrier4833
    @joelcuerrier4833 Год назад

    This is the worst comment on any video you ever made!

  • @richardv.2475
    @richardv.2475 Год назад

    Why Chat GPT is so bad at chess? Because he is talking too much!

  • @BorisTheGrunt
    @BorisTheGrunt Год назад

    omg watching this drunk is just great also you're wrong about a lot of things

  • @sublimeade
    @sublimeade Год назад

    Youre wrong about a lot of things

  • @A51838
    @A51838 Год назад

    your sponsor seems r**arded tbh

  • @victorfinberg8595
    @victorfinberg8595 Год назад

    "very funny at the beginning"
    ah, i see you will be using chat gpt
    The real issue here is that this alleged AI is doing absurd things ALL THE TIME. Here, we can see this, because we know how to play chess. But many, many people will be ASSUMING that this alleged AI is infallible, and will be using it to produce absurd results in fields that they don't know anything about, and will be treating those results as gospel.

  • @pepefrogic3034
    @pepefrogic3034 Год назад

    Ben is too late to the party

  • @normalbutyl
    @normalbutyl Год назад

    I love you Ben