He literally call you MF in your first day il LA shortly after the funeral of your mum…I saw that coming but I never imagined that he kill your mother with Big Smoke after being paid by Ballas!
@@Rieky22Actually, he was. Ryder's VA quitting was just a myth, and he said that he did every single line R* asked him to say. Therefore, this was probably planned all along.
I think at the start of SA, we thought Smoke just thought CJ was an intruder or Ballas and he was there guarding the house, thats why SA is a great game to replay because you go back to those first missions and realize all the hints like that one that we were all blind too at first
I always figured Ryder would be a valuable ally in the game, because he was so crazy. Guy robbed the US military and then he's buddying up with cops? I don't buy it. Just one of many weird, unsatisfying elements of San Andreas' story in my opinion.
Ryder only betrayed GSF because of money and Tenpenny and because mc eiht had a dispute with rockstar so they killed off his caracher like with burt reynolds avery carrington in lcs
@@jeuse5518 ye pier 69 has no cinematic cutscene and it reuses old dialugue for Ryder like the mission never existed same with phono opportunity also Ryder doesn't get mentioned during green sabre like he wasn't there
For Vice City, at the very beginning of the game, when Tommy jumps into Ken's car after the shoot out, but before th shoot out, look who's flying the helicopter. It's Lance.
I have never understood the defense of Ryder angle. He talks trash to CJ the entire game. Every single Ryder mission has him belittling CJ at some point in the dialogue. His dialogue towards CJ isn't out of love for gsf it's because he wants CJ to get back out of the picture as soon as possible. Ryder was a useful idiot for Smoke to use from the start and he got caught up in having some semblance of "power" immediately, just like Smoke. It was obvious that both had betrayed CJ from the start
I don't think you're gonna expect your friend to just simply greet you with a friendly "Hey, I'm so glad you're back, even after you ran away to another state 5 years ago like a coward after you let your brother die" gesture. Believe it or not, CJ and Ryder actually had the most realistic relationship of any character CJ had interacted with.
@@flaimthrowerzatwes19 I agree. Two friends who grew up since childhood and like to snark at each other, not to mention CJ having someone who tries to challenge his courage just makes his reception much more balanced instead of having everyone in the game praise him as if he's some deity for doing rather mundane tasks. CJ and Ryder definitely had the most complex relationship of the entire game.
I don't mean to be that guy but how did people not know big smoke was gonna flip? Gta does it in every game it seems like and right away I remember thinking, smoke can't be trusted lol they make it pretty obvious
Have you ever played GTA 4? Imo it's the best gta amongst all of them, I just finished gta 4 recently after 5. And my opinios changed instantly. GTA 4 is extremely underrated.@@Blacc_yoshi
I did remember from another video saying Ryder actually will not betray us. But there's an issue with the game studio and with Ryder Voice Actor. Ryder voice actor quit before finishing creating the game. So they need to find some solutions to kill Ryder character in the game. so they make Ryder betray us to eliminate the Character. They even use same dialogue. "cant stop me" and "im genius" because ryder voice actor already gone
For Ryde: Real Life Reason: MC Eiht got A Dispute to Rockstar Game About Royalty so His character got rewrittens. Lore Reason: Ryder Were An Addict and Big Smoke Seeing this as an Oppoturnity to turned him into one of his Ally so Smoke Manipulating him with some Sherm to keep him on his side.
@@o.y.t2409 Romans death fits more than Kate's death roman was nikos.cousin his brother his Family Kate was just a girl who Niko didn't.even date she wasn't even part of the family why kill Kate? Kill roman
I think the revenge ending can be just as sad when you think of Niko's mental state, during the wedding for the first time he genuinely looked happy for the first time in the entire game, he finally saw a way out, a future and a way to genuinely move on from his past, only to have it stripped from him in the blink of an eye without warning, further proving him correct that anyone who gets close to him dies, and probably leading him to believe he's not meant to ever be happy
Ryder’s betrayal was so out of place for me because it really out of place for it to happen, almost like it was last minute
He literally call you MF in your first day il LA shortly after the funeral of your mum…I saw that coming but I never imagined that he kill your mother with Big Smoke after being paid by Ballas!
It was last minute when cj finds out they betrayed him cj doesn't even mention Ryder only big smoke
I noticed that when the Green Saber was finally shown, Ryder looked way out of place in that scene
@@doctorcorvus1319 he wasn’t meant to betray him at all that’s the sad part
@@Rieky22Actually, he was. Ryder's VA quitting was just a myth, and he said that he did every single line R* asked him to say. Therefore, this was probably planned all along.
I think at the start of SA, we thought Smoke just thought CJ was an intruder or Ballas and he was there guarding the house, thats why SA is a great game to replay because you go back to those first missions and realize all the hints like that one that we were all blind too at first
If I remember correctly, Lance's betrayal was highlighted by the old workman at the printworks during the dialogue of the story's 2nd last mission.
I always figured Ryder would be a valuable ally in the game, because he was so crazy. Guy robbed the US military and then he's buddying up with cops? I don't buy it. Just one of many weird, unsatisfying elements of San Andreas' story in my opinion.
Thing is, Niko wasn’t scared of Dmitri. Dmitri was getting desperate by kidnapping Roman.
Ryder only betrayed GSF because of money and Tenpenny and because mc eiht had a dispute with rockstar so they killed off his caracher like with burt reynolds avery carrington in lcs
Mc Eiht actually said that he recorded the lines he was asked to... maybe the betrayal was last minute
@@jeuse5518 ye pier 69 has no cinematic cutscene and it reuses old dialugue for Ryder like the mission never existed same with phono opportunity also Ryder doesn't get mentioned during green sabre like he wasn't there
@@TordaiJenoArthurJenciin the beta Ryder's betrayal was only revealed in Photo Oportunity and Cj would kill Ryder in the pier and T Bone would escape
@@mr.andrew7820 yes
The excuses/words that Big Smoke makes/says in gang related missions have meanings of him betraying
Ryder’s betrayal was so sad
Bad*
@@Rieky22 huh
GTA LCS Vinny’s betrayal was unexpected too 😮
apparently ryder was not supposed tpo betray you.
you always liked gasoline trevor!
For Vice City, at the very beginning of the game, when Tommy jumps into Ken's car after the shoot out, but before th shoot out, look who's flying the helicopter. It's Lance.
Ceaser says Ryder tried to sleep with Kendall so obviously cj gonna smoke him out
He said that AFTER CJ killed his former friend. There were no signs showing Ryder even had any interest in Kendl whatsoever.
Redoing San Andreas and Vice City with better graphics would be incredible
I think Jerry Martinez from gta vcs had the most obvious betrayal I mean he asked vic to hide drugs and bring hos
lance vance poor bastard
Hey, he got enough of that in school man
Why no one talks about Karen/Michelle betrayal from gta iv?
What karen was did to niko i knew she is fib agent
I have never understood the defense of Ryder angle. He talks trash to CJ the entire game. Every single Ryder mission has him belittling CJ at some point in the dialogue. His dialogue towards CJ isn't out of love for gsf it's because he wants CJ to get back out of the picture as soon as possible. Ryder was a useful idiot for Smoke to use from the start and he got caught up in having some semblance of "power" immediately, just like Smoke. It was obvious that both had betrayed CJ from the start
I mean it was out of disgrace towards CJ for leaving to LC 5 years earlier, and he hasn't forgiven CJ since.
I don't think you're gonna expect your friend to just simply greet you with a friendly "Hey, I'm so glad you're back, even after you ran away to another state 5 years ago like a coward after you let your brother die" gesture. Believe it or not, CJ and Ryder actually had the most realistic relationship of any character CJ had interacted with.
@@flaimthrowerzatwes19 I agree. Two friends who grew up since childhood and like to snark at each other, not to mention CJ having someone who tries to challenge his courage just makes his reception much more balanced instead of having everyone in the game praise him as if he's some deity for doing rather mundane tasks. CJ and Ryder definitely had the most complex relationship of the entire game.
The worst betrayal is when you are playing with somebody but they pull out a opressor mkII and end you
great amazing video
I don't mean to be that guy but how did people not know big smoke was gonna flip? Gta does it in every game it seems like and right away I remember thinking, smoke can't be trusted lol they make it pretty obvious
keep it up
Dimitri is the worst character.
Who agrees?
wheres gta chinatown wars
Gta4 is the worst gta ever
Had the best story
@@gmont28 you do know out of gta 3 vice city San andreas gta4 and gta5 gta4 was rated the worst out of all them
Have you ever played GTA 4? Imo it's the best gta amongst all of them, I just finished gta 4 recently after 5. And my opinios changed instantly. GTA 4 is extremely underrated.@@Blacc_yoshi
@@Blacc_yoshiGTA 4 isn’t a game meant to please everyone so I understand why you wouldn’t like it.
I fully expected Lance to betray me when I first played VC because of how shifty he kept acting post-Diaz. But Smoke was out of left field for me.
I did remember from another video saying Ryder actually will not betray us. But there's an issue with the game studio and with Ryder Voice Actor. Ryder voice actor quit before finishing creating the game. So they need to find some solutions to kill Ryder character in the game. so they make Ryder betray us to eliminate the Character. They even use same dialogue. "cant stop me" and "im genius" because ryder voice actor already gone
I finished pier 69
I like the content keep up the good work ❤❤❤❤🎉😂
michael was in witsec
Hey I have a video idea rank all gta villians
So many memories with some of these
For Ryde:
Real Life Reason: MC Eiht got A Dispute to Rockstar Game About Royalty so His character got rewrittens.
Lore Reason: Ryder Were An Addict and Big Smoke Seeing this as an Oppoturnity to turned him into one of his Ally so Smoke Manipulating him with some Sherm to keep him on his side.
Bro i love your vids
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i must be the only gta sa gamer that wasn't surprized when Ryder betrayed us,i was totally expecting it
the deal ending should have been canon its darker with roman dying
I dont think making a deal with Dimitri really fits the Nico's chracter
@@o.y.t2409 Romans death fits more than Kate's death roman was nikos.cousin his brother his
Family Kate was just a girl who Niko didn't.even date she wasn't even part of the family why kill Kate? Kill roman
I think the revenge ending can be just as sad when you think of Niko's mental state, during the wedding for the first time he genuinely looked happy for the first time in the entire game, he finally saw a way out, a future and a way to genuinely move on from his past, only to have it stripped from him in the blink of an eye without warning, further proving him correct that anyone who gets close to him dies, and probably leading him to believe he's not meant to ever be happy