They know fantano does matter, they're just saying he doesn't matter as cope because they know that the album sucks too but they don't want to admit it
@@thepoopmonster1041- he called Post Malone a one hit wonder in 2016 and said Stoney was bad.. which both are just objectively bad takes at the time and in the future, he’s had so many bad takes.. his opinion really doesn’t matter.
@@elitetv1735 yet everybody STILL goes around talking about him, if yall REALLY didnt give a fuck about his opinion, you wouldve seen his video, not watched it, and stopped thinking about it. instead everybody wants to go around replying to eveybody saying NOBODY CARES ABOUT FANTANO!!!!!! yea u do u keep talking about him.
Commenting under a RUclips music reviewer saying “you’re only talking about Kanye because you’re making money off of it” is like going to McDonald’s and telling the cashier “you’re only taking my order because you want to make money” Yeah. That’s what they chose to do. This is apart of their job. Move on. You understand the nature of their job, if you dislike it then why did you choose to come here 😂
If anyone actually gave a shit about Kanye as a person, they would be advocating for him to get help, get offline, and spend more time with his family instead of his paid followers.
Nah they're too busy trynna give this man a pass and santize his public image. Someone they've never met. Celebrity culture in this country is just disgusting. It just disenfranchised the "average" American.
Kanye wants to spend more time with his family Everytime he goes off in public that’s the main thing he is always talking about, the fact he wants to be in his families life and it’s being made difficult for him and no one helping him.
Its not our responsibilty to help him. Ye has more resources than we could possibly imagine and a support group that he pushed away over the last five or six years. I care more about the Jewish kids I dont know, listening to Ye's rethoric being repeated by the kids who revere him.
Its crazy how people say Fantano's reviews don't mean shit and that he is a horrible music critic unless their favorite artist gets a "good" review And as you see the main fanbases that always have issues and bring up the man's wife or ex wife(don't care about that man's personal life) its always the Drake, Kanye, and Carti/Opium STANS that take his reviews too seriously
If your getting so pressed over someone’s opinion to the point where your bringing up their divorce you should probably take a break from the internet and get a hobby
No one would care about fantano's opinion if he had not garnered an audience or had a platform. He would just be another nobody with trash takes. I think it's simply the attention and notoriety he has in the hip hop community that pisses people off. It makes it seem like his opinion is worth something
The livestream was way worse. The internet actually got to him to the point he was openly talking about his divorce for the first time ive seen. It was straight hating as a result of the fans of the album going at him.
@@losk3442 His good qualities if he had any were practically nonexistent compared to the evil he is responsible for. I can't even make an extreme comparison to show how ridiculous it is to discuss Hitler's good qualities. Not to mention the fact that it goes both ways, If I were to say how ussr had vastly improved russia from it's previous state and funded the arts that according to George Lucas had more artistic liberties than usa I heavily doubt you would sit there silent.
@@losk3442 that’s not all he said tho. If u watch the entire interview you’ll see what I mean. He also went on a rant about how his doctor was Jewish and how that was the reason he was misdiagnosed. Not to mention he openly endorsed white supremacists like Nick Fuentes. When you’re as big as Kanye West and have people who look up to you and are influenced by you, you can’t just be saying shit like that. Its extremely dangerous.
i genuinely appreciate how much effort Shawn put into explaining both his and Fantano's views. Said so much with little to no anger. Very mature and articulated.
Well I’m a Kanye West fan, but I don’t approve of the stuff that he’s doing now. And the last album that I had listened to of he’s was The Life of Pablo. I can’t support the bullshit that he says and supports now. And it wasn’t just him saying stuff about Jewish people. It’s also the stuff that he said about black people. And I’m black myself. So I just can’t defend him anymore
@@andresciahooten9598on god, his ancestors were probably tortured and killed not even 300 years ago and he STILL thinks it's fine to deny slavery and genocide? I'm no activist, but how the fuck he has any black fans is insane to me.
Stans of any celebrity are mentally ill freaks who won’t be rational. Kanye has mental health issues but his personality is also naturally like this. Fantano is a hypocrite which is why he’s probably getting stick for his stance on Kanye now
@@ShoujoSnailthere was a time where kanye really was for his people and i think thats why. if kanye came out the gate from the beginning saying that stuff it wouldnt fly. but he had a history of being for black people and since he switched his fans are stuck on the old kanye so they let new kanye slide with whatever.
thats why i dont understand these comments saying that he shouldve reviewed it. what? he would be honest and give it a max rating of like 2 and kanye stans would be even more unbearable lol
and to those kanye nerds that bring up melon dude reviewing a nazi band before, I went back and watched the review. He openly states at the end he will no longer be reviewing his music because the dude is a literal nazi. That band is the band kanye has sampled and wore merch from/used their imagery for the base album art before changing it.
"Who ain't entertained by my pain? Who ain't cashed a check off my name?" Kanye knew exactly what he was talking about. Melon needed to pay his month's rent
@@brawler5785 I’m not saying there’s a better or worse evil. However Carti hasn’t been in as many public headlines for his outrageous behavior compared to Kanye. But as Carti gets bigger his negative actions will follow if he don’t clean up, and soon!
The thing with carti is that he is literally a rat. He came from asap mob and since there he had just been stwaling things from others just like rocky, bari, ian connor and more. Carti has never been a good guy, his fans just ignore everything he does.
It’s not that Carti is worse than ye …. Ye has some controversial beliefs … Carti doesn’t talk no bs like politics and try to be more then what he is so ion see the comparisons aside from the artistry
Fantano: I’m not separating the art from the artist because his views reflect in the art and I don’t agree with that. Ye fans: You’re being unfair to the billionaire rapper stop being so mean to the anti-semite, *insert random whataboutism here*
The same Fantano that reviewed Varg Vikernes, known neo-nazi and convicted murder, and then said, I quote: "I don't give a shit if he burned down churches, I don't care if he murdered a guy, I really don't care if he's racist {...} if you like the music, who cares what he has to say"
@@battlerifle8642 brother that was 12 years ago, i’m not a fan of Fantano but he really didn’t start thinking the way he does now until like 2017, he used to be very edgy and cringe like Ye is rn. Also, this is another whataboutism like cmon LMAO
@@battlerifle8642 Anthony, as opposed to Kanye, started out kinda as a right-wing troll and slowly changed his views over time to reflect the feedback he got from the world around him.
Bro is it your first time hearing about an age gap in dating? Do you think your parents are the same age? It's not like he's smashing 16 year olds, he's dating adults. Bianca is a grown ass woman
@@JACK-OMARI knowing his sanity, he probably will smash 16 year olds eventually 😂 oh, and better yet, he’ll make an album about it to justify his actions and his fanbase will try and lecture us into why we should leave him alone 🤣
interesting that you address that “most regular people don’t have time to dive into this as much as some do” because I remember seeing that Kanye dropped this new album, feeling excited, but also weary because I remember hearing little things here and there about his controversial claims but not diving into it. and so upon casually playing a few songs i immediately was turned off by 1. the way the quality is nowhere near the Kanye i grew up with, and 2. many things he said were off putting. so now watching this video im both playing catch up and connecting dots
Because Shawn is black and has actual values built on real-world standards and life lessons; Fantano was swept up in the madness of Ye and got mud all over him playing in the pigpen.
Fantano got caught up in the twitter echo chamber. I’ve deleted that app long ago for that reason, you legitimately cannot have good discourse about anything in there.
People are trying too hard to intellectualize this matter like we’re obligated to never draw the line. Some things really aren’t worth separation. Some things are about principle and that’s okay.
makes no sense since he reviewed carti who beat him pregnant wife and travis scott who was responsible for 8 people dying yet pretends to care when its kanye so he could virtue signal 😂
@@joshwhite5730 I'm just wondering if Kanye stayed talking about jews and whatnot, but never brought it up in an album would Fantano still care? I honestly doubt it at this point, I feel like he'd still bring it up because of all the backlash he got from the fans.
@@littled5986 bruh i mean what else is the point of stans, yeah? lots of kanye fans, myself included have found this album disappointing, but stans are obsessed so they gotta give the album a 100 on 10 in the first minus 10 hours of it's release
Fuck no lmao, you get so little out of saying some shit like this is "not good" and moving on, so little context for Ye as a person. That's why you shouldn't grade this.
He has done nothing but rage over it online for a week, literally has made more posts about it than any other project in recent years yet claims it isn't worth covering lol, some people are genuinely mad but those people are losers but personally it just looks embarrassing don't cover it all is the better option than what he's doing
@@goodguybrian9764what does that have to do with anything I just said? I don’t have Twitter but even if that’s true why are y’all this pressed over a RUclipsr?? How are y’all more mad over a RUclipsr not reviewing an album than Kanye saying anti black or anti semitic ish??
@@QuandaleDingleBarnacleJonesIIII think the the answer to your last question is self-explanatory. Why else would they not be more mad at Kanye. Hmm.... It's a mystery.
They're mad because when people have principles and morals that they abide by, some people trying to find justification for their own actions take it as an attack on their person.
He pretentiously paraded that he was on some moral high ground.. when in reality - he’s a hypocrite - he reviews people who did MUCH worse. Not to belittle antisemitism. He insulted bro’s wife on twitter - called his fans lives “meaningless” and does that fake laugh - to say he’s not bothered but clearly this is on his mind.
Kanye is def on a musical decline, and i dont expect him to make an album better than his first 6. But personally, im always gonna be curious what the music sounds like even if its only getting worse. Cause kanyes worst is still more interesting and refreshing than most music out right now. Def wont be on repeat, but im still gonna see wassup.
@@jakobplscook someone out there who likes Carnival would argue that it’s “experimental” 🤦🏼♂️ in this case, it’s just a buzzword to justify mid quality
@@jakobplscookstill, the quality and consistency are there and that's what people largely expect from Ye now considering his decline and his age in general. His politics are and have always been a function of his mental illness since the rant in South Carolina. I tend to believe the only real allegiance he had to people like Nick and Milo were that they would entertain his bullshit and no one else liked them so Kanye could keep playing victim while he did Nazi agitprop for a fake presidential campaign. With that said, Vultures is only a win to me becuase he's making club tracks. That's it.
@@vopcracker3193 Well the quality and consistency isn’t there when I listen to it, this is the first Ye album that I wasn’t able to like a single song enough to add to my playlist
You can't help anybody who doesn't want help, doesn't think he needs help, and cuts off anyone who does try to help. The irony is as self-aware as Kanye is about the vultures around him, those are the only people around him because those are the only people left willing to capitulate to his narcissism and disrespect. Kanye Stans' behavior towards Melon reflects that.
who is trying to help him? who did he cut off that was good for him? people like u around him would just make him worse, and hes not a narc mostly just paranoid and probably has adhd and got misdiagnosed with bpd
@@Z4NKA1 Pfft. I wouldn't be around Kanye because I have a little too much self-respect, integrity, and well-calibrated BS meter. Conversely, it sounds like you're projecting the fact that if he was around you, he would be worse because all you'd do is enable his self-indulgent tendencies.
@@Eiuol81853 you would enable it more 😂 you have 0 self awareness, and you couldnt even answer the question on who is actually trying to help him. only person who supported him is dead the rest just use his mental illness against him or try to manipulate him for money/clout
@@smaaron_j_46 mike was the one who cut ties with him because he didnt like his work schedule. big sean is irrelavent, pusha is just as bad as kanye and was using him, and hes friends with kudi again who is also mentally unhealthy
Edit: kept watching when i got back home and i actually agree with the point you make about how planting seeds of bigotry is alot easier to do than making someone a full bigot e.g. in this case an anti semite. Thats fair and I can definitely see how that might be the case w/ ye's audience based on the interactions i see them have online "Future is not the person that made people not treat women right" Shawn if ur reading this, i hope this doesnt come across the wrong way, i understand most of what uv said in your video and agree with a whole chunk, not tryna argue for the sake of arguing or ruin anyones day, ig im just tryna show that there are reasonable people who are ig not on the other side of this issue but have contentions with how public figures are handling and responding to the kanye dialogue. So that being said, i found the fact u said this to be interesting, bc from my perspective as far as i can tell that type of logic also applies to kanye. From what iv seen online, being in alot of kanye spaces over the years and now having to distance myself, kanye didnt convince his pre existing fanbase to become anti semitic. Kanye developed a new fanbase by attracting a bunch of people who were already anti semitic and or alt right. I do not think that anything kanye has said on his platform has been coherent or cohesive enough to convince anyone of anything they didnt already want to believe on some level - because he was clearly just going on schizoative paranoid delusional rants because he is an egotistical person who thanks to his schizoactive paranoia mixed with bi polar and all the crap he was dealing with in his life went down an illuminati type rabbit hole, yet people like fantano intentionally choose to ignore this part of the dialogue and treat and criticise him in the same way you would trump or alex jones or actual evil bigoted dishonest actors. To be clear, IM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDNT BE USING OUR PLATFORMS TO CRITICISE KANYE OR THE STUFF HE SAYS. What i am saying is that if we are going to, we need to be more open and honest about the full picture of what is happening here, because as someone who suffers from bi polar and cptsd, it is honestly heartbreaking and feels gaslighty watching everyone continue to dismiss the very big role kanye's instability is playing in all this, treating him as if he has the same level of self control, awareness or even understanding of what is happening as anyone else while he is clearly mid episode. Alot of people dont understand alot of mental health disorders other than basic things like anxiety and depression, and kanye could be a really good starting point for a dialogue about the seriousness of different mental health conditions and how they can deeply affect your understanding of reality. I think Kanye is a perfect example of how bad it can get. And ig as someone who while not delusional has had alot of my perspective on life jarringly flipped upside down in different periods of my life because of my cptsd and bi polar, it hurts knowing that this is all the world will ever be willing to do to understand us. People want to spread mental health awareness but they never want to truly understand. And ig that hurts, life is not easy for me at the moment. I'm constantly at risk of being in d ward and the only thing that stops me is even tho im not safe being in d ward triggers my ptsd making shit worse because hospitals are a trigger for me. Anyway, peace and love to everyone, i really hope people read this, im not here to try and make anyone think kanye's behaviour is ok or it isnt important to push back on the things he says because like shawn said they are dangerous ideas and thats exactly what people should do with their platforms. Ig i just wish we tried to have a more human understanding of these situations. Lord knows i have done some things i regret in mental states where i didnt feel fully in control, and im lucky im not famous and the only people that know are people who actually know me and dont unfairly judge my while character, which i feel alot of the time people like fantano seem to do with kanye. And i think thats unfair and dangerous in its own way. It certainly turns off audience members like me i feel as much as him ignoring the anti semitic comments would for his jewish audience members. P.S - apologies if this isnt very coherent, it was actually really hard to write this without getting emotional and my thoughts were all over the place. Its embarrassing to admit but its the truth so eh no point hiding it
I also have bipolar disorder (bipolar 1 w/ psychotic episodes to be exact). I somewhat can relate to what Kanye is going through (minus the bigotry) because due to a series of psychotic episodes I went through I was also paranoid and lashed out often. However I did get help and also was able to find a good therapist (after 3 attempts). I do grade Kanye on a curve because I can understand what he is going through, but I do think people’s criticisms are fair because he refuses to get help. However I completely agree with you that people don’t want to take the time to understand how mental illness can cause someone to act, which requires having sympathy for someone, which a lot of people aren’t willing to do
Fantano is a good music critic. People who say otherwise are salty Kanye Stan’s. Kanye spews super harmful rhetoric. He knows he’s wrong but does not apologize.
I think Sean did a similar thing but the difference is when he said whilst one of the reasons I don’t want to listen to the album is to platform the white supremacist co-signs and anti-Semitic comments the main reason is I’d just rather not listen to the album being such a big Kanye fan of his old material and I haven’t enjoyed a release from him for a long time (because tbf sean didn’t even like kids see ghosts lmao) so he hasn’t gained enough faith in the fact he will like it. That’s his opinion whereas Fantano did a half-arsed review and just spoke about Kanye at length and criticised him, which btw were valid points imo but you can’t call an album unreviewable and proceed to review it super half-assed after going on a rant when people watch his videos for articulate music critiques. But tbf to Fantano it is hard to separate the music from the artist when the content is still about the controversies that have happened but still
To be fair fantano did a live reaction like he does every week for new releases. It’s not like Shawn hasn’t turned in half assed first listens before because he gets caught up with chat. Ultimately fantano reviews a lot of material, so it makes sense that he wouldn’t be inclined to revisit and give it another listen outside of livestream, especially when he had stated he didn’t care to check it out at the moment given the state of mind Kanye has had. People shouldn’t take his review to heart, same for Shawn’s feelings on this. It makes sense that they don’t want to use their platform to platform kanye right now. Chat definitely got to fantano though, but I can’t imagine what his feed/dm’s have looked like since he initially stated his distaste towards the music and Kanye’s statements
Shawn stuck to his words, melon was making vids on ye all throughout the rollout, started bitching on twitter, called the album unreviewable then reviewed like 2 songs. Afterwards when the vid got attention he reacted to it live. He either wanted attention which he got or wants to keep arguing with literal kids having fun listening to music who were not around for yes peak . And he reviewed burzums album wno is an actual nazi not just an anti semite( both is terrible). Ye apologized in hebrew , burzum didn't n won't, but calling yes album unreviewable cause of anti semitism n reviewing an actual nazi is mad hypocritical
@@balls5064 He has called burzum out multiple times after that review, he reacted to the ye album live before he dropped the main channel vid, and if people start flooding other artists reviews with comments about ye like they did now, its fucking annoying and taking the spotlight away from the artists. How could he have EVER known how easily these ye fans can turn into harassing little goblins if ye gets any form of criticism
idk if you watched the burzum review, but at the end of the review, he literally said he wouldn't be reviewing anymore of their music because of the fucked up things that they did. It's not hypocritical. when he learned more about them, he changed his habits accordingly. @@balls5064
I mean Fantano also just continuously engages with that behavior for no actual valid reason online. It genuinely seems like he just wants attention from it at a certain point. I appreciate how Shawn handles these types of sensitive situations so much more
@@5t33lo Ty is not always a good writer. The takeaway is that he did he things. He delivered good choruses and vocals, especially on Beg Forgiveness, dude killed it.
@@greenimpact8266 yes he has his highs and lows on the album, but some bars are just so corny and basic, had me wondering why they let that stuff slip on the album. I do agree he has a great voice
@@5t33lono i feel it was more of the mixing, the mixing on those songs sound so ass but yo u gotta listen to VULTURES 2 snippets if that’s the track list then damn we lookin foward to potentially something great! a lot more variety in Vultures 2 can’t wait for listening party hopefully they make the final cut
I’m 30 (just fyi) I used to be a Ye super fan until his outlandish takes on his own culture and his descent into caping for white supremacists, nazis and FUCKING hitler. This is a shit album. Ppl hear some OK kanye production and they just instantly forget what sort of person he truly is. Over the years of seeing a man I once looked up to creatively/ artistically start to morph into someone I didn’t even recognize anymore is sad BUT it’s realistic. That might come off as dystopian but it where I’m at regarding all things Kanye. He became what he despised when he was first making music. All that to say: Shawn, you’re not missing out on anything by not listening to this album. You won’t suddenly be flushed with confidence or joy or inspiration like his previous works before Yeezus once did. So in a way I 100% agree with fantano’s take.
@@Tsuenciagait’s like the Norm joke. “There was a horrible man who came to power in Germany in the 1930s. I don’t want to dignify him by saying his name.”
Thanks man for reacting to the fantano video with some wisdom and genuine perspective cause man fantano is receiving some toxic reactions that he don’t deserve.
I feel like this conversation is much more nuanced then shawn gave it credit for. Like his whole point that fantanio SHOULD be advocating against the album because he has a platform and he should fight against what kanye is saying and that kanye is different to future in what his views are is faulty or not seeing the big picture for me. Lets be real here, rap as a genre is incredibly misogynistic. Alot of the views young men have on women in todays culture comes from rap. Drill rap, melodic rap, alot of these genres talk about women in a very negative way. Even in the 90's this was a problem. This isint even getting into drill rap and how negatively that has effected young black men. (Of course that isint specifically the core problem, but it dosent help. But the misogynistic point has had a HUGE impact on how young men view women and how they are viewed irl and in media.) So at this point, shouldent fantano talk about all of those rap albums, and call them unreviewable? What that chatter said about future, while obviously future isint the main perpetrator if we use their logic and say MOST of rap, their point would stand. But fantanio HAS reviewed those albums and has called alot of them GOOD. And you cant say separate the art from the artists because those views ARE in the songs. At this point you can ONLY listen to conscious rappers like kendrick, or j cole. What about all of the albums mentioning drugs and glorifying drugs etc. There is more problems I have with shawn cees points in the video, but this is the main one I just hard disagreed with him on And as an actual review of vultures, its a 6/10 album 7/10 if im being generous
@nickgehr5853 bro your username is nick gehr aint nobody taking a fucking thing you say seriously when you got kahoot usernames mfers thought were funny in middle school
@@nickgehr5853nah bro gotta be joking. There is no creativity in there, not a single bit. Just a recap of whats blowing up on hiphop rn, kanye used to be the one helping hiphop to advance, now he is just a joke
@@justastupidduckwithahat6393fr, keep seeing everyone try to be pretentious and overcomplicate it, the album is pretty good and it'll probably age well like donda
Fucking massive props to Shawn for being one of the few that recognize their platform is powerful, and that they have what is essentially a moral obligation to speak out on bullshit that could harm others, especially when it pertains to their field: music, in this case. I also had no idea (because it's his business and he was nice enough to share it) that Shawn has and helps a disabled friend like that. Lots of people in that position don't have friends or even family showing up for them like that. I don't know either of them, but I can probably assume that friend is extremely grateful and that Shawn has helped improve their quality of life in some way.
But he won’t do that cos he’s money hungry. Bro tried suing a multibillion dollar company for using a copyright free audio clip and got countered sued… if he don’t like what ye is doing, don’t say anything lmao. By him making this vid he just caused thousands of convos about ye
I feel like Shawn handled the situation a lot better, he didn't want to review it and didn't spend time constantly tweeting about either and I barely see anyone hating on him for it. If Fantano knows that Kanye's stans can get wild it's best to avoid constantly baiting them. I wonder if he'll keep the same energy for Ken Carson/Destroy Lonely fans as well since they leaked his divorce papers.
Shawn i genuinely appreciate your approach to respecting kanye's mental struggle because im bipolar and its hard to see how people can throw kanye under the bus with regards to how he handles himself and it feels a lot like kanye becomes the main example in people's mind of how bipolar people are and it can be upsetting to see people treat him like he's super crazy because it feels like thats how people would treat you when they hear you have bipolar
I think its ok to criticize kanye and not even listen to kanye during his episodes but the answer isnt that he is crazy, the answer is that he needs to deal with his episodes in a less public manner because that only makes it worse.
Kanye is a self-absorbed asshole contrarian so refusing to get help with his mental health issues was HIS choice. The only person to blame for his downfall is himself
Talking about Future not being respoble for the misogny he might spread to his fans from his music because misgyny is a really old concept is a hilarious argument, because it implies Kanye created anti-semitism or at the very least anti-semitism in rap.
@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTHBrother I’m saying, Shawn actually defended murder to shun Ye 😂😂😂 wtf is wrong with these people. These “moral high ground” guys are in reality the most obnoxious and pretentious people on the internet.
No, it just correctly acknowledges that latent misogyny and latent anti semitism are on VASTLY different levels. If the sort of insane shit Kanye has been saying were as mainstream as misogyny you'd have a point. As it stands, you're talking complete nonsense.
Nah 2:20 Shawn is really goated for this take. When I brought up the issues I had with how my former friends had treated me, they immediately brought up my borderline and how I’m just having an episode and that I was being completely unreasonable and yeah they tried to gaslight me out of how I felt so knowing that it does in fact happen to other people makes me feel so much better about how I reacted and how I moved forward.
Thats also what triggers me the most. Like just dont review it. You telling the world you dont review it because u dont want to give him or his fans a platform yet make 10 minutes video about u r not reviewing it IS the definition of giving them a platform. Leave it the fuck alone. We all thats being objective in this situation knows Melon want the exposure and the heat that comes out from that video. Fuck kanye and everything that he stands for but its mindblowing to me melon or even shawn blame Ye diehard fans for doing what they'been doing to the point fantano "dont want to review it". Like what the FUCK do you expect?
To get some attention, I think. unreviewable 1 is his most viewed video of him in a while. I agree with some points in the review, but 9/10th of the review is not about the album. It's ok, tho.
The reaction was definitely towards the fans. If he doesn't like the album or dont wanna review it because of the stuff surrounding it; platform white supremacy is a better way to frame the optics of the review. The politics within the music ruins some of it, but to alienate a portion of his audience that just doesnt care for the political angle isnt smart imo. But i think there is a portion of Kanye's audience be coming uncomfortablely loud who i think the people upset at Fantano dont wanna be associated or grouped with.
@@prodigion1 Imma give 2 responses so it's not one long ass thing. 1. Fantano saying the album is un reviewable primarily because the artist is heavily putting his politics into the art, or the artist themselves being a questionable person comes off as hypocritical. He's reviewed People like Tom McDonald, and Killer Mike who spit hateful,ignorant and uninformed information and create bigoted people similar to Kanye. Like Shawn said although it's not to the same degree of outreach of someone like Kanye West it doesn't take away the fact that those artists are who they are . Also from the stream , and the timing of the review it seemed like Fantano didn't want to genuinely review the album. I'm not saying this is true,I'm explaining how he came off to some people.
@@prodigion1 2. Generalizing an audience of Kanye size to Nihilistic teenagers,Cultists, and White Supremacists.That literally Alienates a huge ,and probably the largest portion of people; who aren't attached to Kanye or his antics, don't notice even some of the bars fantano show cases , and just want to listen to the music. Like Fantano said there was a large portion of people who were just hip hop fans , but he's talking like that crowd suddenly merged or doesn't exist anymore. The implications that group doesn't exist anymore puts people in the situation where they are unfairly being associated with a group of people they don't align with, or they simply don't matter. Again I think most people aren't upset with Fantanos underlying message , but some things he said didn't come out well thought. He conveys this thought Better throughout the video;that Kanye is attracting ,and creates x types of fans.
@@Synical02 Thanks for the effort to respond. I'll say this: 1. I don't think that having reviewed a bad influence in the past makes you somehow morally obliged to review another bad influence. People are obsessed with this 'hypocrisy' but they're not even arguing against any of Fantano's takes or choosing a side - they're just arguing that his takes aren't consistent, which is not a valid counter-argument imo. 2. When he talks about Kanye fans, I think it's clear he means people that like Kanye, i.e. Kanye supporters, not people that listen to his music. After all, Fantano has enjoyed Kanye's music. Therefore I don't think he alienates anyone.
@@prodigion1 That's why I said I think many people aren't upset with his underlying Messages ,and what's he's trying to convey , just how he delivered it came off in a way that rubbed people the wrong way that gave off the idea he felt a certain way. Obviously with the context of his stream people understand the stream DEFINITELY set him off a little bit . But the point of his inconsistency is that it is a different argument; I don't think necessarily think he's obligated to review X bad person if he's stomached X bad person too. I think the unreviewable; It's just surprising to a lot of people because ,he's reviewed certain people like Tom for example who he despises and is harmful as well,but went through with it anyway so the assumption was he could stomach this too . I still am glad Fantano stands on his Morales and ideals even if he doesn't please everyone .
To be fair, most people who are bipolar aren’t one of the 25 most famous humans in the world. I think the whole “I am Hitler” stuff and white supremacy stuff is his way of saying “nothing I say can stop me”. It’s kinda like how people say the most famous people have the weirdest kinks. Like only millionaires are having golden showers if you know what I mean. After a certain point, you run out of things that make you feel good when you can have anything you want in life. Kanye in 2005 was focused on getting to the top of music and fashion. By 2015, he felt he was getting there, but it wasn’t the same satisfaction with it due to constant stimulation. He needed something new. So his music shifted to releasing anything he wants (poopity whoop) music wise and fashion wise (releasing bland grey clothing with holes and stains for hundreds of dollars a pop). Now it’s 2024. He hasn’t gone anywhere and releasing more music isn’t increasing his power or influence. So, now he’s gonna do the same thing he did in other paths. He’s gonna say anything he wants knowing he’ll get support, in hopes that it also boosts his influence. His plans to run for President are real, if he lives for 20 more years then there’s gonna be a year he has a real shot and I think he knows that. Don’t believe me? Trump ran for President 4 times before he got elected. All his fans think he ran for the first time in 2016. Thats influence.
Thanks for this video Shawn. It was refreshing to see someone break this all down in a calm and clear headed way without diminishing the point Anthony was trying to make. I think he sometimes gets lost in waves of negative discourse cause of the sheer volume of his audience and how young (and devoted to Kanye) they are. It makes it hard to back him when in all honesty his reaction to the record was more than fair, as is telling Kanye to get lost too
I don't agree with the misogyny point by Fantano. He constantly reviews rap music and NEVER complains about misogynistic lyrics. My guy hasn't said shit about Future, Lil Pump, Migos, Gucci Mane and tens of other rappers that say much worse things about women in their music.
Bro the Gabriel cover was so bad. All they had to do was just get Chris Brown to resing it ,but they made such a cheap sounding jersey club beat and even though the og had those weird vocal effects it used them sparingly which made it special and they did it for the entire 2ne verse which just made it cheap. I really can't believe they commondified a UK and South African classic just to make that piece of garbage. I'm so salty about that especially since it could've been great since the three artists are so talented.
i hate when people act like fantano is just some guy on youtube like he doesn’t have massive influence himself. fantano helped launch careers, and also has a cult following. i just feel like this is all so performative. i understand disliking ye, but this man is parading around the fact he gave sexy red an 8/10 like he did something amazing for feminism. when realistically he just likes triggering weirdos online.
sexy red can get an 8, but someone like isaiah rashad can drop a near flawless album, all chill music, no bars about liking h*tler, and get no more than a 5. why can he critique our art for a decade, but no one can say anything about anthony because it’s his “opinion” . no if you post something publicly then people have the right to respond and say whatever they please
@@millieworld1012 they can argue about his opinion, but the way Ye stans did it was so bad faith and used little to no critical thinking to discuss it.
@@smaaron_j_46 kanye fans are toxic and annoying, but fantano gets more and more out of touch every year, i can’t say it isn’t deserved. he didn’t even listen to carti’s verse on carnival, which is quite literally the best part of that song, and a highlight of the album. he turned it off after 2 bars 😭 music critic not even listening to the music. i don’t think fantano should have a voice on modern hip hop.
@@millieworld1012 I mean, if people like Carti on Carnival, more power to them, but I honestly didn’t even know he was on the song til I opened up RUclips lol. Probably because for one, the features are hidden, and two, I didn’t hear his iconic baby voice. Just loud, abrasive production and Kanye giving his most offensive verse yet 😂
What's crazy to me is Shawn says Future and the like are not nearly big enough to be a root problem when it comes to other morally wrong things such as misogyny, murder and the like, and that other rappers/singers who have murdered and killed are not big enough to have an affect or change people's perspective on certain topics (which isn't true btw) but then says it's him and Fantanos responsibility to push back against Kayne because they have large platforms so essentially and he is one of the biggest artist in the world. So what I'm can infer is - Kanye is the root of Anti-semitism? It definitely hasn't been in inherent problem in the U.S and been openly a problem for a long time now - Murder isn't as accepted in society so no need to push back against it? - If you aren't as big as ye you don't need to be talked about? - You only push back against people if it's popular These are the arguments I heard, I know there are going to be dweebs bringing up nuance and the articulations of the situation but the reality is you either push back against everyone who has said or done something "bad" bad, or wrong or you don't talk about it at all and go back to making "unbiased" music reviews otherwise you are the definition of a hypocrite plain and simple.
didn't miss the point just addressing some problems I personally find with your and Fantanos arguments regarding the situation. Anyway love your content@@ShawnCeeLIVE
Rap as a genre was founded as an expression of the systemic struggles and adversity that black people faced. Things like murder, the over sexualization of women, and general crime of that nature is very present in rap because it’s the conditions that these artists grew up in. When you grew up in those areas, you probably joined a gang and yes probably killed people. That’s the experience that is forced upon black people. Things like anti semitism aren’t a product of a forced experience and instead are willingly taken on and learned, thus it’s not nearly as acceptable. I do however have a problem with homophobia in rap, and how it’s hand waved away as being a product of their time, but imo if an artist is a bigot, then they aren’t worth revering in any capacity. Or at the very least should be openly disavowed for their views until they change for the better. For example Nas made it a point to remove all the homophobic slurs from illmatic when he had last performed it live. Stuff like that I think makes it more acceptable to embrace their legacy in the genre, whereas as far as I know DMX never reconciled with his homophobic rhetoric in any capacity. The hardest point to reconcile though for me is how not just rap, but most genres degrade women regularly and it’s seen as okay. I’ll openly admit I’m hypocritical because I enjoy music that does degrade women, despite having a problem with it, but I would genuinely love to see that change in all music
I think generally when it comes to things like murder and misogyny in music, we should attack the systems that cause these problems and not the people who are victims of the system
People dont want to "platform" Kanye but will endlessly talk about how they dont want to "platform" Kanye. The ONLY reason I knew about Vultures dropping was because of the Fantano vid and now I keep hearing about it because this guy keeps popping up in my feed.
1. How the hell can you platform someone with an infinitely larger platform than you who gets covered pretty much everyday by the media for whatever reason. 2. Like Shawn said multiple times throughout the video because idiots like you keep bringing up this point and it’s that if you have a platform and morals and ethics (something kanye does not have), it makes sense and is completely necessary that you voice your opinion as well, if someone is hates racism yet has to wake up everyday constantly hearing that this one famous guy keeps saying and doing more racist stuff, would you still ignore it? 3. The people saying that melon is just “virtue signaling” and the he actually doesn’t give a single shit he’s just doing it for the money he’s going to get from all these videos are again incredibly stupid as the haters are the ones watching his videos giving him money anyway and even if it’s wrong, the same people complaining about this are the same people literally streaming Kanye’s music and giving him monetary gain, more of a monetary gain then what fantano will ever receive. The Kanye fanboys just need to accept they’re wrong with this one and anything and everything they say to go against fantano and defend Kanye is completely wrong and can be disproved instantly. I get it’s hard to accept that someone who used to be so great is now horrible but trust when you do your life will be so much better.
If someone has a bigger platform than you already, you're not 'platforming' them. You're punching up. Most people are not like you and only heard of Kayne's album because of Fantano. That's a rare case.
I 100 percent agree with Fantano stating the reason why he won't review the album, but he just looks like he's raging in the way he delivers this. Just say you don't care for Kanye's anything, and move on.
I will say he should’ve never streamed it, reviewed, or at least cut the stream off before he went on a rage fueled rant on live. Shawn had it right, don’t review this shit you’ll get hate from either fans or people who see you giving a platform for bigotry, and as a result of the hate you may even baby rage on live and in a RUclips video towards minors still in development.
@@NachoLibreGOAT Thats not what Shawn said 💀💀💀 he literally said if you have a platform that it is your responsibility to push back against harmful rhetoric
@@NachoLibreGOAT its old bald men too plus why would fantano play fair when Kanye is a living piece of trash and would be better of locking himself in for the next 10 years
I think the issue is, Fantano when it comes to kanye, has gone beyond music. He had rappers personally attack him and still review their music with no bad blood but hes always playing politics with kanye. Im not a fan of fantano but i enjoy hearing his different perspective on music but for months now hes be posting a lot of shorts getting political about kanye and how much he doesnt like kanye. Even when kanye goes on his short breaks from social media, fantano will find something to dislike about kanye. Fantano isnt necessarily wrong about kanye but its a clear almost parasocial beef he has with kanye and his fans. Hes far too attached imo and probably needs a break from youtube.
not a fan of either of them but openly slamming kanye is an easy way to pander to the left, which is what fantano has been doing since the fader article. it feels like he’s more interested in covering his own ass and appearing as politically correct as possible rather than genuinely spreading awareness on injustices to minority groups. man’s an egomaniac with an inferiority complex and the act is pretty transparent.
Lets be honest, the album wasn’t great. It doesn’t change the fact that hes got 4/5 solid tracks on there that will be appreciated more as the years go on. But an albums an album and it must be judged as a whole, not a few tracks. Hopefully the second volume is better
I surprisingly enjoyed it but lyrically it’s pretty fucking bad. I’m a carti fan (and fan of other similar artists) so I don’t generally care about lyrics that much, especially when I was going into the album aware that it was going to be more club oriented and shit, but man some of these lyrics are hard to ignore with how wack they are
I still stand by separating the art from the artist. Its like people forget that there are other parts of the music that can be appreciated whether it the atmosphere it creates, the production, vocals flow etc. Absolutely, lyrically its not his best but its so evident when people are simply hating on the album due to the person and not the content.
Yes of course but fantano also makes a good point that kanye is bringing the problematic into the music, in the lyrics. Unless you explicitly ignore lyrics id find it pretty hard to look past it
@@niclinker619 he does but again that depends on how you choose to listen to your music. If you place a heavy emphasis on lyrics, then chances are you will be disappointed and even offended by kanyes album and even other albums that are lacking in the lyric department. My personal take is that if you're a critic, you're going into every album open minded and not just focusing on one element. I have listened to albums that had questionable lyrics, ideologies that I dont agree with at all, or just lack any lyrical substance. But if the other surrounding elements make up for it, then I don't have a problem
This isn't about whether or not you should separate the art from the artist. It's about the best way for Fantano to review (or not review) the album, given his power and influence as a music reviewer. It's about responsibly reviewing music that is intertwined with Kanye and his political ideas.
Famously, Chris Brown's critic ratings didn't drop after his controversy. I think its pretty normal for reviews to be soured by the artist. Its the same way Im not gonna work hard at my job and be a total jackass, and expect a positive review on my work despite that quality of output. People remember
I don’t have any social media but I’ve been using twitter again just because I’ve been trying to keep up with this one artist I follow but holy shit the discourse fucking sucks I’m sick of people every which way talking out they ass saying shit that’s just not even true and giving their 2 cents without actually saying anything
I think Fantano was way too morally invested in the terrible things Kanye was saying and too riled up by the annoying antics of Kanye fans to make a genuinely unbiased review like he normally does. I do think he was being too emotional and going at Kanye fans too but I think that for him, in particular, it was unreviewable. I’m gonna keep his opinion on the music, itself, in the back of my mind when I listen to the album but I do agree with his statements on Kanye and his fans
he called everyone that listens to ye a nihilistic teenager, nazi, or racist...those might be a percentage of his fans but it's not all of them by a far shot. it's a wild thing to believe and openly present as fact.
@@gourmetghost I get that not all Kanye fans are Nazis, nihilistic teens, or parasocial wierdos but every Kanye fan I’ve had the displeasure of conversing with (at least online) has been either a nihilistic teen or a parasocial weirdo (I’ve yet to meet a nazi). As someone who is a genuine hip-hop head, but doesn’t have an emotional connection or investment in Kanye or his previous work, It’s impossible to talk about nuance and genuinely criticize kanye and his music without being labeled a hater or trying to be woke
@@eddiecampos they’re the brand new equivalent of Eminem stans. Just obnoxious, angsty teens that think they know what music is and shouldn’t be criticized
regardless of how fantano feels ab vultures, that album has some of the worst ye verses oat flow wise lyrics the way his vocals are mixed and mastered etc.. it’s a huge disappointment
@@stellar1252 absolutely not... have you heard only 2 albums this year? little simz EP alone washes this BS... half the beats sound like demos. shit's crazy
@@baddonkeyworld7254 but we have to separate the art from the artist, Shawn might still be racist towards Latinos, but his takes on this video are pretty good 👍🏻
Hi shawn, I agree completely on your first point. I just wanted to say that I also "deal" with people who suffer from similar problems that Kanye has shown. I have a friend who has a degree of bipolar disorder, mental instability, suicidal tendencies and anxiety. She will sometimes cut herself, attempt suicide, or overdose on pills and stuff like that. And yet, despite all of that, she's the sweetest, most lovely person I've met in quite some time. Even though she's well aware of her struggles and problems, she doesn't use that as an excuse for poor attitude. It's the opposite, she uses her diagnosis as a way of move foward and provide for her loved ones all the energy and love that she has. And when we call her out on a certain attitude or idea we think it's not adequate, she corrects herself and tries to be better. There is NO excuse for what Kanye is doing, doesn't matter the syndrome he has, if my friend, who barely has enough money to live in respectable conditions and who gets bullied in her classroom by other students, can do it, then a billionare with millions of fans around the world should do it too
Shawn , I respect your opinion so much. As a black man in this society, I believe racism towards black ppl is culturally accepted. I feel like a point Ye was trying to make with a lot of that was, “how come their feelings matter more than ours”…I actually thought Ye brought up some valid points…. Ye said he loves Hitler, I feel like that’s equivalent to a blk persons everyday. Our last names come from slave owners, we walk by statues of slave owners, go to schools named after them. America constantly reminds us of how much they love our “Hitler”.
Ye also said that slavery was a choice. Even if that’s what Kanye means when he brings up Hitler, compares himself to Hitler, etc., he’s already openly denounced what our ancestors have been through so I don’t see how he can get benefit of the doubt.
@@BlkStar99 you know… there were a lot of slave rebellions in the 1800’s….. they were were all stopped by black ppl, being afraid of the repercussions (those same slaves later were hung anyway)…so honestly , it was a choice for some
11:05 I feel like the person who commented that would put in the same amount of effort that Fantano did, on this video, in “reviewing” an album by a trans rapper that talks about politics and transphobia.
Fantano has reviewed multiple albums from Burzum, and defended his doing so by using the separate art from the artist argument. Mind you, Burzum is a racist Nazi who uas committed arson and murder, and is the same person Fantano is criticizing Kanye for associating with.
I think the reason hate his video on Vultures so much is because he keeps saying that he doesn’t want to give Ye a platform but then immediately talks about how bad of a person he is like 2 videos later which inherently give Ye a platform
Fantano was definetly a hypocrite as he did actually review some of the songs and do a live reaction. Also, I think the best response would be no response because full album review or not he still is having all the Kanye fans attack him. I honestly think fantano did this for attention and money
do you seriously think doing a normal review would give him more attention than him making a video complaining about why he cant review vultures? Cuz just for example, this shawncee video would have not been made if fantano just did a regular review. Now, im not gonna lie, to deny the fact that what fantano is doing has gotten him attention has to be stupid@@niyandrey
my thing is, you cant be half-half on your opinions. you need to be able to stand firm and hold onto your resolve if you want to take sides. You cant say kanyes album is unreviewable, then listen to gangster rap and give them praise when they talk about a triple entendre about killing people, it just doesnt make sense to me.
The hypocrisy is the biggest thing. Most rappers are speaking about sliding on the"opps," popping pills, sexual debauchery, killing people, and peeing on people's graves. Yet, nobody, including Fantano, bats an eye (it's just art). You can have preferences and say this is what I will platform and this I won't, but why pretend that you are morally consistent with other rappers.
The difference is Kanye has influence,someone as big as kanye gives people with antisemitic views a platform and someone they can look up to.If it were Jay Electronica for example no one would care cause no one looks up to him.Kanye is alot of people's ideal and were actually witnessing people use Kanye as figure for why they're right
@@sircartier2723can you guys pls stop using “number of audience” argument and actually pay attention that both messages are poor! If Fantano is not for the harm of groups then why listen and review the music that you claim is harmful
A tweet saying “i dont want to rate the album due to kanye’s recent statements” wouldnt have gotten as much hate but the fact he just decided to moan and whinge about it on a video and talk down on people enjoying the music like some white saviour is what left a bitter taste for me
Then you didn’t watch the video, it’s not about not enjoying vultures because Kanye is a bad person it’s that a review of Kanye isn’t worth the time because Kanye’s fans aren’t listening to any critiques of him and Kanye’s detractors hate him
people like fantano end up being even more racist than kanye and they never notice it cause they think they can do no wrong and are protecting the poor little minorities with no privelage to him 😂
To be honest, he shouldn't have even made the video. The album is far from "unreviewable" and as bad as sets it out to be. Yet, if he's uncomfortable reviewing it, then don't. Like, just ignore its existence. There you go.
@@malum9478that's why leftist targeting antisemitism as a most important thing is a lost cause. Powerful Israel government and Jewish organizations on a U.S./Israel paycheck are rightist/fascist leaning
26:30 This comment in the chat is so dumb, yes Anthony Fantano might have some anti-Semitic fans but he obviously does everything he can to not appeal to those people, where as Kanye has made openly anti Semitic statements.
"Nobody is forcing him to review this." Sure, not literally, but how do you think this would go if he hadn´t said anything at all? Don´t you think that people are going to start to ask questions?
*There’s plenty of reasons to not like Ye - that’s fine* but for him to stand by his morals - he’d have to stop reviewing a bunch of people and he’s not gonna do that.
@@firstlast9846I’ve seen that argument I ger some of it but I think people can have a level where a line is crossed while you might not like it but Fantano from previous actions has always shown antisemitism as a line especially on twitter where he’s left leaning
Fantano was straight hating on the album / Kanye. When you look at Fantano’s review scores in the past and decide to watch his content then that says more about you then it does him
Honestly I kinda agree with Fantano here. Seeing Kanye on such a gradual downward spiral has really affected our perception of Kanye as an individual. This isn't a case of being able to separate the art from the artist because Kanye's behavior over the last 2yrs has been insane. The messy release with Donda 2, his divorce with Kim and his beef with Drake. We can't separate the art from the artist when the artist themselves are spewing negative rhetoric on the album, even if he does it in a tongue and cheek way, he's still doing it, he's saying these things in his songs and to separate that just for the sake of listening to a song you consider good would be like wearing a blindfold and falling asleep while your car is driving full speed down the high way. Fantano isn't grading/reviewing the album because it's ungradable/unreviewable. He's looking at Kanye and his fans and assessing why they've become so problematic. The album is more a display of Kanye's lunacy so it's easier for Melon to use it as a jumping point to talk about the more serious issue, which is Kanye and his terrible behavior. I'm not disputing the fact that it seems like Fantano is extremely angry and it might seem cringe cause he chooses to engage with Kanye's fans instead of just ignoring them and just talking about his dislikes about Kanye. But it's what happens when the artist you are talking about is one of the biggest artists in the entire fucking world. Fantano can't avoid them cause they will hound him until Kanye's next record.
he only cares as much as he does cause kanye is black and saying this, he never cared with marilyn manson yet pretends to care with kanye so you can virtue signal abt how he doesnt like nazis. and what terrible behavior has kanye ACTUALLY done?
@@Z4NKA1 first off you don’t know me, second of all, I don’t even know if you’re a real person and thirdly, I don’t tolerate bigotry no matter who it is done to. The discourse towards this album is really showing how much fans like YOU, have lowered the bar for an artist who simply doesn’t deserve it because you can’t handle the fact that he is not at his best anymore and at worst, turn a blind eye to the fact that Kanye platforms white supremacy while making terrible music, but yet you’re mad Fantano is calling it out? It’s okay to ask for consistency, but not only does that show that you don’t watch as much of his content but that all the “whataboutisms” you fans are spewing, make you look even more foolish because your hero is being criticized. Kanye is not above criticism and just because he’s MADE great music, doesn’t mean he gets a pass for being an advocate for white supremacy. Since you think that’s who I am, that’s what I choose to think you are and you and fans like you can get the fuck out of my face.
@@nozers not really it makes perfect sense why Fantano wouldn’t want to review this album, it’s trash and then to make it worse, Kanye fans IN THE THOUSANDS are coming for him on Twitter like it’s really that good. Probably sending threats and everything over an album
@@Someone_Unknown90 yeah that would make sense, IF HE DIDNT REVIEW HIS ALBUM. Fantano is legitimately a walking contradiction. Stays on good morals by saying he wouldn’t review it while simultaneously making a video reviewing the album. The guy has had just as big of a downfall as kanye, ever since some guy painted him as an alt right creator, he’s been trying desperately to rebuild his image. It’s sad really
@@nozers no it’s more like he’s trying to make sense of a senseless situation, and also his review wasn’t an actual review and more of a video explaining why the album is so trash it’s not worth reviewing. Half his video is just trashing Kanye’s actions as a person and the fans that blindly support him. And that’s the thing you can’t review this album properly without talking about the outside context. Also calling a music reviewer who reviews mostly hip hop albums a “alt right” creator is actually the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. That just doesn’t make sense, I think a lot of people hate genuine criticism from things they like and hating on Fantano is just coping.
Funny thing is Fantano said before "I separate the artist from his/her art. " Destiny had a clip of Fantano saying I review someone if they killed, or have racist thoughts, or other shit.
RUclips music critics reviewing a reviewer reviewing an album they both haven’t listened to and promised they won’t review 💀 but Kanye is a narcissist 😂
FD Signifier has made a video about Kanye and separating art from artist this week on his B-Sides channel. I think it's worth reacting to and discussing if you want to keep following this topic.
I just find it hilarious that everyone seems to forget that Kim was always naked, Kanye always showed her, and Kanye said the same things about her as he does now… no one seemed to take issue with that and infact called her every name in the book of insults you can say about a person. And why??? Cause white people didn’t view her as white… now that he is married to a more culturally assigned white woman.. everything is an issue. Now it’s being asked if shes ok, is Kanye making her do this stuff, oh he disrespecting her….. it’s wild. Have you heard Bionca talk?? Are you familiar with her prior to the Kanye? Trust me, she’s not being forced to do anything lol. Now look, I would love to have some old Kanye music again, I would love to see him link up with past collaborators and get back to the good music days… but the truth is, if Kanye was the old Kanye, we would have moved on from him long ago. Kanye is still culturally relevant and musically cause he knows how to do both rather you like it or not. You gone hear his name, you gone hear his music, you gone see his wife lol, you gone see a pair of Yeezys on every 5th set of feet. Yall call him crazy but he is very well aware of what he’s doing. Lastly, I find it crazy that the people who currently dislike Kanye can’t seem to discuss him and his actions without stereotyping the people who listen to his music and that’s really ironic… your doing the samething you claim he’s doing.. but since your not Kanye.. it’s cool?
I feel like it’s obvious that he’s reviewing in bad faith because he literally talks about less than half the tracklist it feels like he’s cherry picking songs he disliked and then generalizing the whole album as trash
When you call an entire album "unreviewable" then "trash" and then continue to insult it and review it later you've defeated yourself and your argument he says it's trash and gives us some lines which arent even offensive mind you from the songs he hates.@@malum9478
@@malum9478 (doesn't review album because artist has antisemetic background) (has Burzum reviews) he is at least obligated to not have double standards as a critic.
I couldn’t care less what Kanye says or does in his private life. This album is just not good and that’s it. If the music was good we won’t be having these discussions. Same thing with Drake’s FATD, if the music was good nobody cares if he appeals to kids or nah.
Yes. I would listen to von before i listen to a racist song talking about black people. Why cant they both be bad? People are more worried about youtubers being hypocrites more than Kanye literally being antisemtic. Doesn’t make sense.
@@Brandon-tz5pn"I will listen to songs about murder by a lowlife, drug-pushing gangster, but criticising black people and Jews is where I draw the line".
Idk I think it’s dumb how some people saying Fantano doesn’t matter are the same people taking him soooo seriously.
They know fantano does matter, they're just saying he doesn't matter as cope because they know that the album sucks too but they don't want to admit it
@@thepoopmonster1041 Oh absolutely. They're so mad that Fantano wont' even grace the album with a review.
just boys trying to cope
@@thepoopmonster1041- he called Post Malone a one hit wonder in 2016 and said Stoney was bad.. which both are just objectively bad takes at the time and in the future, he’s had so many bad takes.. his opinion really doesn’t matter.
@@elitetv1735 yet everybody STILL goes around talking about him, if yall REALLY didnt give a fuck about his opinion, you wouldve seen his video, not watched it, and stopped thinking about it. instead everybody wants to go around replying to eveybody saying NOBODY CARES ABOUT FANTANO!!!!!! yea u do u keep talking about him.
Commenting under a RUclips music reviewer saying “you’re only talking about Kanye because you’re making money off of it” is like going to McDonald’s and telling the cashier “you’re only taking my order because you want to make money”
Yeah. That’s what they chose to do. This is apart of their job. Move on. You understand the nature of their job, if you dislike it then why did you choose to come here 😂
If anyone actually gave a shit about Kanye as a person, they would be advocating for him to get help, get offline, and spend more time with his family instead of his paid followers.
Nah they're too busy trynna give this man a pass and santize his public image. Someone they've never met. Celebrity culture in this country is just disgusting. It just disenfranchised the "average" American.
They don't care about the person, they care about the images he puts out and the Idea of him, not the actual human.
Kanye is a lost cause. He's already done that, and somehow came out worse.
Kanye wants to spend more time with his family Everytime he goes off in public that’s the main thing he is always talking about, the fact he wants to be in his families life and it’s being made difficult for him and no one helping him.
Its not our responsibilty to help him. Ye has more resources than we could possibly imagine and a support group that he pushed away over the last five or six years. I care more about the Jewish kids I dont know, listening to Ye's rethoric being repeated by the kids who revere him.
Its crazy how people say Fantano's reviews don't mean shit and that he is a horrible music critic unless their favorite artist gets a "good" review
And as you see the main fanbases that always have issues and bring up the man's wife or ex wife(don't care about that man's personal life) its always the Drake, Kanye, and Carti/Opium STANS that take his reviews too seriously
on me they do not i fw opuim hard, i like to see what he think n he makes valid points but it dont make me mad because he will rate it a 2/10
If your getting so pressed over someone’s opinion to the point where your bringing up their divorce you should probably take a break from the internet and get a hobby
Fr I love Fantano and he gave house of balloons a 3 which is my fav mixtape album ever
Bro idk how many times I disagree with Fantano but idc I watch him anyways cuz who gives a fuck it’s music and he’s literally just a guy
No one would care about fantano's opinion if he had not garnered an audience or had a platform. He would just be another nobody with trash takes. I think it's simply the attention and notoriety he has in the hip hop community that pisses people off. It makes it seem like his opinion is worth something
The livestream was way worse. The internet actually got to him to the point he was openly talking about his divorce for the first time ive seen. It was straight hating as a result of the fans of the album going at him.
That's not the first time he's talked about his divorce lol
What did he say about his divorce?
@@towel-cat 'Ive seen' - I'm not a serial fantano watcher. Also I doubt prior cases have been as emotional as that stream. He was clearly v bothered.
@@towel-cathe said that people use his divorce to come at him when kanye in the first place is a divorced man, an a petty one in this case
Bruh all these streamers and content creators divorcing…😩😭
Fantano giving a score of "unreviewable" has had a worse reception than Kanye saying everybody has good qualities especially Hitler lmao
lmao true
i dont like kanye, but that comment is not that bad. Everyone has good qualities, regardless of how shitty that person was.
@@losk3442 His good qualities if he had any were practically nonexistent compared to the evil he is responsible for. I can't even make an extreme comparison to show how ridiculous it is to discuss Hitler's good qualities. Not to mention the fact that it goes both ways, If I were to say how ussr had vastly improved russia from it's previous state and funded the arts that according to George Lucas had more artistic liberties than usa I heavily doubt you would sit there silent.
@@losk3442 that’s not all he said tho. If u watch the entire interview you’ll see what I mean. He also went on a rant about how his doctor was Jewish and how that was the reason he was misdiagnosed. Not to mention he openly endorsed white supremacists like Nick Fuentes.
When you’re as big as Kanye West and have people who look up to you and are influenced by you, you can’t just be saying shit like that. Its extremely dangerous.
It's 2024, saying Nazism bad is controversial nowadays lol
i genuinely appreciate how much effort Shawn put into explaining both his and Fantano's views. Said so much with little to no anger. Very mature and articulated.
Cope
@@oneactchasm-gi3zs you can cope too 😂
@@elementofficial07 y bro say even cope🤣🤣
@@colbstah2559 i don't know bro
@@oneactchasm-gi3zsI think they’re fine lol
Kanye fans don’t want to sit with the fact that they have no self control or ethics unless it applies to them personally
Well I’m a Kanye West fan, but I don’t approve of the stuff that he’s doing now. And the last album that I had listened to of he’s was The Life of Pablo. I can’t support the bullshit that he says and supports now. And it wasn’t just him saying stuff about Jewish people. It’s also the stuff that he said about black people. And I’m black myself. So I just can’t defend him anymore
@@andresciahooten9598on god, his ancestors were probably tortured and killed not even 300 years ago and he STILL thinks it's fine to deny slavery and genocide? I'm no activist, but how the fuck he has any black fans is insane to me.
Stans of any celebrity are mentally ill freaks who won’t be rational. Kanye has mental health issues but his personality is also naturally like this. Fantano is a hypocrite which is why he’s probably getting stick for his stance on Kanye now
@@ShoujoSnailthere was a time where kanye really was for his people and i think thats why. if kanye came out the gate from the beginning saying that stuff it wouldnt fly. but he had a history of being for black people and since he switched his fans are stuck on the old kanye so they let new kanye slide with whatever.
I like the album, and the 4 cents I gave to Kanye from streaming it are not going to cause me to loose any sleep
Fantano was in the lose/lose situation. If he reviewed the album & gave it a 0 his fans would’ve still gone psycho
He probably should’ve, but an unreviewable sounds a lot more insulting 😂
That's the point. @@smaaron_j_46
thats why i dont understand these comments saying that he shouldve reviewed it.
what? he would be honest and give it a max rating of like 2 and kanye stans would be even more unbearable lol
If he gave it a zero it would still be bs because it obviously isn’t a zero. Though it’s max a five
It’s not a 0 though…. Maybe a 4 or 5.
and to those kanye nerds that bring up melon dude reviewing a nazi band before, I went back and watched the review. He openly states at the end he will no longer be reviewing his music because the dude is a literal nazi. That band is the band kanye has sampled and wore merch from/used their imagery for the base album art before changing it.
Then why the hell would he review Kanye’s? Just don’t bring it up to your platform
@alexangel5029 sure but it goes against everything he claims he stood for. So his words here mean nothing
I find it fine. Vaarg was literally a murderer a racist and antisemist, the dumbass kanye is keeps treating him like an idol. Thats fcked up
@alexangel5029 which made ye even more money indirectly
"Who ain't entertained by my pain? Who ain't cashed a check off my name?"
Kanye knew exactly what he was talking about. Melon needed to pay his month's rent
Def feel like carti slowly but surely going down that same path Kanye on rn, watch we gonna hear him in some crazy shit 3-4 years from now
the man choked his pregnant girlfriend and went 3x the speed limit but you think he's somehow not worse than ye?!
@@brawler5785 I’m not saying there’s a better or worse evil. However Carti hasn’t been in as many public headlines for his outrageous behavior compared to Kanye. But as Carti gets bigger his negative actions will follow if he don’t clean up, and soon!
The thing with carti is that he is literally a rat. He came from asap mob and since there he had just been stwaling things from others just like rocky, bari, ian connor and more. Carti has never been a good guy, his fans just ignore everything he does.
It’s not that Carti is worse than ye …. Ye has some controversial beliefs … Carti doesn’t talk no bs like politics and try to be more then what he is so ion see the comparisons aside from the artistry
how can we draw the line at somebody saying crazy shit and then saying that somebody needs to "clean up" after physically assaulting a pregnant woman
Fantano: I’m not separating the art from the artist because his views reflect in the art and I don’t agree with that.
Ye fans: You’re being unfair to the billionaire rapper stop being so mean to the anti-semite, *insert random whataboutism here*
Not a billionaire
The same Fantano that reviewed Varg Vikernes, known neo-nazi and convicted murder, and then said, I quote: "I don't give a shit if he burned down churches, I don't care if he murdered a guy, I really don't care if he's racist {...} if you like the music, who cares what he has to say"
@@battlerifle8642 brother that was 12 years ago, i’m not a fan of Fantano but he really didn’t start thinking the way he does now until like 2017, he used to be very edgy and cringe like Ye is rn. Also, this is another whataboutism like cmon LMAO
@@battlerifle8642 Anthony, as opposed to Kanye, started out kinda as a right-wing troll and slowly changed his views over time to reflect the feedback he got from the world around him.
everyone talks about the Reference line but what about the line "when I was fifteen my soulmate wasn't born yet" ????
Eugh 🤢
Bro is it your first time hearing about an age gap in dating? Do you think your parents are the same age? It's not like he's smashing 16 year olds, he's dating adults. Bianca is a grown ass woman
@@JACK-OMARI knowing his sanity, he probably will smash 16 year olds eventually 😂 oh, and better yet, he’ll make an album about it to justify his actions and his fanbase will try and lecture us into why we should leave him alone 🤣
@@JACK-OMARI my parents are the same age lol its BECAUSE I know about age gaps that I made my comment dummy
@@JACK-OMARI doesn't make the line any less weird bro, get off his dick
If the discourse this week has proven anything is that we give WAY too much power to Kanye West.
To his credit this week proved Kanye knows how to control and manipulate the media better than anyone outside of Trump.
He complained about that 5 albums ago
interesting that you address that “most regular people don’t have time to dive into this as much as some do” because I remember seeing that Kanye dropped this new album, feeling excited, but also weary because I remember hearing little things here and there about his controversial claims but not diving into it. and so upon casually playing a few songs i immediately was turned off by 1. the way the quality is nowhere near the Kanye i grew up with, and 2. many things he said were off putting. so now watching this video im both playing catch up and connecting dots
Dude is straight up gloating and doubling down on his problematic takes. Safe to say I’m happy not listening to Kanye anymore.
I think that Shawn handled the Ye situation better than Fantano by a mile and then some
Facts
Bro setting the pace honestly
Because Shawn is black and has actual values built on real-world standards and life lessons; Fantano was swept up in the madness of Ye and got mud all over him playing in the pigpen.
Fantano got caught up in the twitter echo chamber. I’ve deleted that app long ago for that reason, you legitimately cannot have good discourse about anything in there.
@@Vageta1999absolutely agree
People are trying too hard to intellectualize this matter like we’re obligated to never draw the line. Some things really aren’t worth separation. Some things are about principle and that’s okay.
makes no sense since he reviewed carti who beat him pregnant wife and travis scott who was responsible for 8 people dying yet pretends to care when its kanye so he could virtue signal 😂
@@Z4NKA1 you can just you hate Jews bro, it’s fine
@@Z4NKA1his point was that those artist don’t rap about those things (Travis Scott did before it happened but not after) and Kanye does
@@joshwhite5730 kanye never actually said anything politically the entire album, can you quote a line that was actually in one of the songs?
@@joshwhite5730 I'm just wondering if Kanye stayed talking about jews and whatnot, but never brought it up in an album would Fantano still care? I honestly doubt it at this point, I feel like he'd still bring it up because of all the backlash he got from the fans.
i felt like the review was a reaction to vulture fans rather than the album, the album was shit but it’s still gradeable
I feel like even if Fantano gave the album a score the Kanye Stans would still be mad that he gave it a low score
I thought the album was pretty good
@@littled5986 bruh i mean what else is the point of stans, yeah? lots of kanye fans, myself included have found this album disappointing, but stans are obsessed so they gotta give the album a 100 on 10 in the first minus 10 hours of it's release
It was.
Fuck no lmao, you get so little out of saying some shit like this is "not good" and moving on, so little context for Ye as a person. That's why you shouldn't grade this.
Yall he doesn’t wanna review the album what’s the big deal?
He has done nothing but rage over it online for a week, literally has made more posts about it than any other project in recent years yet claims it isn't worth covering lol, some people are genuinely mad but those people are losers but personally it just looks embarrassing don't cover it all is the better option than what he's doing
@@goodguybrian9764what does that have to do with anything I just said? I don’t have Twitter but even if that’s true why are y’all this pressed over a RUclipsr?? How are y’all more mad over a RUclipsr not reviewing an album than Kanye saying anti black or anti semitic ish??
@@QuandaleDingleBarnacleJonesIIII think the the answer to your last question is self-explanatory. Why else would they not be more mad at Kanye. Hmm.... It's a mystery.
They're mad because when people have principles and morals that they abide by, some people trying to find justification for their own actions take it as an attack on their person.
He pretentiously paraded that he was on some moral high ground.. when in reality - he’s a hypocrite - he reviews people who did MUCH worse. Not to belittle antisemitism. He insulted bro’s wife on twitter - called his fans lives “meaningless” and does that fake laugh - to say he’s not bothered but clearly this is on his mind.
Kanye is def on a musical decline, and i dont expect him to make an album better than his first 6. But personally, im always gonna be curious what the music sounds like even if its only getting worse. Cause kanyes worst is still more interesting and refreshing than most music out right now. Def wont be on repeat, but im still gonna see wassup.
Vultures is at least a 6. He’s not in his prime anymore but like you say, his current stuff is 100x more interesting than 99% of the industry
This is nowhere near as good as almost anything being put out right now in my opinion and doesn’t push the musical envelope at all
@@jakobplscook someone out there who likes Carnival would argue that it’s “experimental” 🤦🏼♂️ in this case, it’s just a buzzword to justify mid quality
@@jakobplscookstill, the quality and consistency are there and that's what people largely expect from Ye now considering his decline and his age in general.
His politics are and have always been a function of his mental illness since the rant in South Carolina. I tend to believe the only real allegiance he had to people like Nick and Milo were that they would entertain his bullshit and no one else liked them so Kanye could keep playing victim while he did Nazi agitprop for a fake presidential campaign.
With that said, Vultures is only a win to me becuase he's making club tracks. That's it.
@@vopcracker3193 Well the quality and consistency isn’t there when I listen to it, this is the first Ye album that I wasn’t able to like a single song enough to add to my playlist
Shawn smart as hell ngl
Fr he jokes around alot but occasionally you'll see how smart he is
thats why he's so funny too, he's quick witted
Fr Shawn Cee my goat i love him so much
@@caue77Shawn is the homie but you gotta be your own goat bro
Dude not everything is a goat cot damn
You can't help anybody who doesn't want help, doesn't think he needs help, and cuts off anyone who does try to help.
The irony is as self-aware as Kanye is about the vultures around him, those are the only people around him because those are the only people left willing to capitulate to his narcissism and disrespect. Kanye Stans' behavior towards Melon reflects that.
who is trying to help him? who did he cut off that was good for him? people like u around him would just make him worse, and hes not a narc mostly just paranoid and probably has adhd and got misdiagnosed with bpd
@@Z4NKA1 Pfft. I wouldn't be around Kanye because I have a little too much self-respect, integrity, and well-calibrated BS meter.
Conversely, it sounds like you're projecting the fact that if he was around you, he would be worse because all you'd do is enable his self-indulgent tendencies.
@@Eiuol81853 you would enable it more 😂 you have 0 self awareness, and you couldnt even answer the question on who is actually trying to help him. only person who supported him is dead the rest just use his mental illness against him or try to manipulate him for money/clout
@@Z4NKA1 over the years, he’s cut off Mike Dean, Big Sean, Pusha T, Kid Cudi, basically anybody that’s not crazy like him lol
@@smaaron_j_46 mike was the one who cut ties with him because he didnt like his work schedule. big sean is irrelavent, pusha is just as bad as kanye and was using him, and hes friends with kudi again who is also mentally unhealthy
Edit: kept watching when i got back home and i actually agree with the point you make about how planting seeds of bigotry is alot easier to do than making someone a full bigot e.g. in this case an anti semite. Thats fair and I can definitely see how that might be the case w/ ye's audience based on the interactions i see them have online
"Future is not the person that made people not treat women right"
Shawn if ur reading this, i hope this doesnt come across the wrong way, i understand most of what uv said in your video and agree with a whole chunk, not tryna argue for the sake of arguing or ruin anyones day, ig im just tryna show that there are reasonable people who are ig not on the other side of this issue but have contentions with how public figures are handling and responding to the kanye dialogue.
So that being said, i found the fact u said this to be interesting, bc from my perspective as far as i can tell that type of logic also applies to kanye. From what iv seen online, being in alot of kanye spaces over the years and now having to distance myself, kanye didnt convince his pre existing fanbase to become anti semitic. Kanye developed a new fanbase by attracting a bunch of people who were already anti semitic and or alt right. I do not think that anything kanye has said on his platform has been coherent or cohesive enough to convince anyone of anything they didnt already want to believe on some level - because he was clearly just going on schizoative paranoid delusional rants because he is an egotistical person who thanks to his schizoactive paranoia mixed with bi polar and all the crap he was dealing with in his life went down an illuminati type rabbit hole, yet people like fantano intentionally choose to ignore this part of the dialogue and treat and criticise him in the same way you would trump or alex jones or actual evil bigoted dishonest actors.
To be clear, IM NOT SAYING WE SHOULDNT BE USING OUR PLATFORMS TO CRITICISE KANYE OR THE STUFF HE SAYS. What i am saying is that if we are going to, we need to be more open and honest about the full picture of what is happening here, because as someone who suffers from bi polar and cptsd, it is honestly heartbreaking and feels gaslighty watching everyone continue to dismiss the very big role kanye's instability is playing in all this, treating him as if he has the same level of self control, awareness or even understanding of what is happening as anyone else while he is clearly mid episode.
Alot of people dont understand alot of mental health disorders other than basic things like anxiety and depression, and kanye could be a really good starting point for a dialogue about the seriousness of different mental health conditions and how they can deeply affect your understanding of reality. I think Kanye is a perfect example of how bad it can get. And ig as someone who while not delusional has had alot of my perspective on life jarringly flipped upside down in different periods of my life because of my cptsd and bi polar, it hurts knowing that this is all the world will ever be willing to do to understand us. People want to spread mental health awareness but they never want to truly understand. And ig that hurts, life is not easy for me at the moment. I'm constantly at risk of being in d ward and the only thing that stops me is even tho im not safe being in d ward triggers my ptsd making shit worse because hospitals are a trigger for me.
Anyway, peace and love to everyone, i really hope people read this, im not here to try and make anyone think kanye's behaviour is ok or it isnt important to push back on the things he says because like shawn said they are dangerous ideas and thats exactly what people should do with their platforms. Ig i just wish we tried to have a more human understanding of these situations. Lord knows i have done some things i regret in mental states where i didnt feel fully in control, and im lucky im not famous and the only people that know are people who actually know me and dont unfairly judge my while character, which i feel alot of the time people like fantano seem to do with kanye. And i think thats unfair and dangerous in its own way. It certainly turns off audience members like me i feel as much as him ignoring the anti semitic comments would for his jewish audience members.
P.S - apologies if this isnt very coherent, it was actually really hard to write this without getting emotional and my thoughts were all over the place. Its embarrassing to admit but its the truth so eh no point hiding it
Finally someone with sense! Well-said.
LOVE LOVE this comment
Thankyou to both loaded guns and Taylor for replying, it feels really good to be heard on this
I also have bipolar disorder (bipolar 1 w/ psychotic episodes to be exact). I somewhat can relate to what Kanye is going through (minus the bigotry) because due to a series of psychotic episodes I went through I was also paranoid and lashed out often. However I did get help and also was able to find a good therapist (after 3 attempts). I do grade Kanye on a curve because I can understand what he is going through, but I do think people’s criticisms are fair because he refuses to get help. However I completely agree with you that people don’t want to take the time to understand how mental illness can cause someone to act, which requires having sympathy for someone, which a lot of people aren’t willing to do
Fantano is a good music critic. People who say otherwise are salty Kanye Stan’s. Kanye spews super harmful rhetoric. He knows he’s wrong but does not apologize.
I think Sean did a similar thing but the difference is when he said whilst one of the reasons I don’t want to listen to the album is to platform the white supremacist co-signs and anti-Semitic comments the main reason is I’d just rather not listen to the album being such a big Kanye fan of his old material and I haven’t enjoyed a release from him for a long time (because tbf sean didn’t even like kids see ghosts lmao) so he hasn’t gained enough faith in the fact he will like it. That’s his opinion whereas Fantano did a half-arsed review and just spoke about Kanye at length and criticised him, which btw were valid points imo but you can’t call an album unreviewable and proceed to review it super half-assed after going on a rant when people watch his videos for articulate music critiques. But tbf to Fantano it is hard to separate the music from the artist when the content is still about the controversies that have happened but still
To be fair fantano did a live reaction like he does every week for new releases. It’s not like Shawn hasn’t turned in half assed first listens before because he gets caught up with chat. Ultimately fantano reviews a lot of material, so it makes sense that he wouldn’t be inclined to revisit and give it another listen outside of livestream, especially when he had stated he didn’t care to check it out at the moment given the state of mind Kanye has had. People shouldn’t take his review to heart, same for Shawn’s feelings on this. It makes sense that they don’t want to use their platform to platform kanye right now. Chat definitely got to fantano though, but I can’t imagine what his feed/dm’s have looked like since he initially stated his distaste towards the music and Kanye’s statements
Shawn stuck to his words, melon was making vids on ye all throughout the rollout, started bitching on twitter, called the album unreviewable then reviewed like 2 songs. Afterwards when the vid got attention he reacted to it live. He either wanted attention which he got or wants to keep arguing with literal kids having fun listening to music who were not around for yes peak .
And he reviewed burzums album wno is an actual nazi not just an anti semite( both is terrible). Ye apologized in hebrew , burzum didn't n won't, but calling yes album unreviewable cause of anti semitism n reviewing an actual nazi is mad hypocritical
@@balls5064 He has called burzum out multiple times after that review, he reacted to the ye album live before he dropped the main channel vid, and if people start flooding other artists reviews with comments about ye like they did now, its fucking annoying and taking the spotlight away from the artists. How could he have EVER known how easily these ye fans can turn into harassing little goblins if ye gets any form of criticism
idk if you watched the burzum review, but at the end of the review, he literally said he wouldn't be reviewing anymore of their music because of the fucked up things that they did. It's not hypocritical. when he learned more about them, he changed his habits accordingly. @@balls5064
@@balls5064 so basically half of your arguments are made up and the other half is dumb ash
Yeah after seeing the stuff with Fantano I get why Shawn wouldn't want to entertain that 100%
I mean Fantano also just continuously engages with that behavior for no actual valid reason online. It genuinely seems like he just wants attention from it at a certain point. I appreciate how Shawn handles these types of sensitive situations so much more
@@Chris-rj4bt of course he wants attention lmao
@@corneliusrawnesssure it just comes off as weird when the focus is suppose to be on this important topic.
every other chat message being "did i miss something?" "what did Kanye say?" is so fucking annoying
Poor Ty Dollar Sign. His amazing performance on the album overshadowed by Ye's controversy.
amazing performance? while i do agree that his voice sounds great on some parts of this album, his bars are so weeeeaakkkk
@@5t33lo Ty is not always a good writer. The takeaway is that he did he things. He delivered good choruses and vocals, especially on Beg Forgiveness, dude killed it.
@@greenimpact8266 yes he has his highs and lows on the album, but some bars are just so corny and basic, had me wondering why they let that stuff slip on the album. I do agree he has a great voice
i thought all he said was im getting paid for this???
@@5t33lono i feel it was more of the mixing, the mixing on those songs sound so ass but yo u gotta listen to VULTURES 2 snippets if that’s the track list then damn we lookin foward to potentially something great! a lot more variety in Vultures 2 can’t wait for listening party hopefully they make the final cut
I’m 30 (just fyi) I used to be a Ye super fan until his outlandish takes on his own culture and his descent into caping for white supremacists, nazis and FUCKING hitler. This is a shit album. Ppl hear some OK kanye production and they just instantly forget what sort of person he truly is. Over the years of seeing a man I once looked up to creatively/ artistically start to morph into someone I didn’t even recognize anymore is sad BUT it’s realistic. That might come off as dystopian but it where I’m at regarding all things Kanye. He became what he despised when he was first making music.
All that to say: Shawn, you’re not missing out on anything by not listening to this album. You won’t suddenly be flushed with confidence or joy or inspiration like his previous works before Yeezus once did. So in a way I 100% agree with fantano’s take.
And I agree with you as well!!!
the idea of being able to platform someone with an infinitely larger platform is insane
Wym?
@@Tsuenciagait’s like the Norm joke. “There was a horrible man who came to power in Germany in the 1930s. I don’t want to dignify him by saying his name.”
@@Tsuenciagaaround the 3 min mark
@@Tsuenciaga people are mad that reviewers platform Ye but he already has a large reach
Real lmao
Thanks man for reacting to the fantano video with some wisdom and genuine perspective cause man fantano is receiving some toxic reactions that he don’t deserve.
Black anti-semitism is so casual and no one talks about it
Did that chatter really say future invented misogyny???? 💀
I feel like this conversation is much more nuanced then shawn gave it credit for. Like his whole point that fantanio SHOULD be advocating against the album because he has a platform and he should fight against what kanye is saying and that kanye is different to future in what his views are is faulty or not seeing the big picture for me.
Lets be real here, rap as a genre is incredibly misogynistic. Alot of the views young men have on women in todays culture comes from rap. Drill rap, melodic rap, alot of these genres talk about women in a very negative way. Even in the 90's this was a problem. This isint even getting into drill rap and how negatively that has effected young black men. (Of course that isint specifically the core problem, but it dosent help. But the misogynistic point has had a HUGE impact on how young men view women and how they are viewed irl and in media.)
So at this point, shouldent fantano talk about all of those rap albums, and call them unreviewable? What that chatter said about future, while obviously future isint the main perpetrator if we use their logic and say MOST of rap, their point would stand. But fantanio HAS reviewed those albums and has called alot of them GOOD. And you cant say separate the art from the artists because those views ARE in the songs. At this point you can ONLY listen to conscious rappers like kendrick, or j cole. What about all of the albums mentioning drugs and glorifying drugs etc.
There is more problems I have with shawn cees points in the video, but this is the main one I just hard disagreed with him on
And as an actual review of vultures, its a 6/10 album 7/10 if im being generous
It wasn’t that bad, I’d give it a 4 or 5, I somewhat enjoyed my first listen but I don’t think I’ll be listening again.
It’s on repeat. Bros level of hip hop creativity is insane on this
@nickgehr5853 bro your username is nick gehr aint nobody taking a fucking thing you say seriously when you got kahoot usernames mfers thought were funny in middle school
@@nickgehr5853nah bro gotta be joking. There is no creativity in there, not a single bit. Just a recap of whats blowing up on hiphop rn, kanye used to be the one helping hiphop to advance, now he is just a joke
@@hkr.knj8 unfortunately your opinion is subjective and isn't going to change the fact that I think vultures is good
@@justastupidduckwithahat6393fr, keep seeing everyone try to be pretentious and overcomplicate it, the album is pretty good and it'll probably age well like donda
Fucking massive props to Shawn for being one of the few that recognize their platform is powerful, and that they have what is essentially a moral obligation to speak out on bullshit that could harm others, especially when it pertains to their field: music, in this case. I also had no idea (because it's his business and he was nice enough to share it) that Shawn has and helps a disabled friend like that.
Lots of people in that position don't have friends or even family showing up for them like that. I don't know either of them, but I can probably assume that friend is extremely grateful and that Shawn has helped improve their quality of life in some way.
Music reviewers turned all this into some newsroom BS. With bars like “Suck on me.. Publicly” I don’t think I can ever take this shit serious
there were bleached asshole bars and now that is one of kanye’s biggest songs tho
honestly i just respect fantano at this point for standing on his shit and not backing down because of the harassment from kanye cultists
fanbases are mad in general, the best thing antony could have done is to be silent about kanye release
But he won’t do that cos he’s money hungry. Bro tried suing a multibillion dollar company for using a copyright free audio clip and got countered sued… if he don’t like what ye is doing, don’t say anything lmao. By him making this vid he just caused thousands of convos about ye
@@marcuslee698 talking bout money hungry when Kanye is the one consumed by greed LOL
@@smaaron_j_46 He dropped the prices of his merch to 20$ and refunding people the difference
Hes too terminally online to do that.
@@smaaron_j_46in what way is Kanye consumed by greed? Kanye is many things… but greedy is definitely not one of them lmao
I feel like Shawn handled the situation a lot better, he didn't want to review it and didn't spend time constantly tweeting about either and I barely see anyone hating on him for it. If Fantano knows that Kanye's stans can get wild it's best to avoid constantly baiting them. I wonder if he'll keep the same energy for Ken Carson/Destroy Lonely fans as well since they leaked his divorce papers.
It’s refreshing to hear you speak with compassion but stern in your stance. Fantano was just mad and it showed.
Shawn i genuinely appreciate your approach to respecting kanye's mental struggle because im bipolar and its hard to see how people can throw kanye under the bus with regards to how he handles himself and it feels a lot like kanye becomes the main example in people's mind of how bipolar people are and it can be upsetting to see people treat him like he's super crazy because it feels like thats how people would treat you when they hear you have bipolar
I think its ok to criticize kanye and not even listen to kanye during his episodes but the answer isnt that he is crazy, the answer is that he needs to deal with his episodes in a less public manner because that only makes it worse.
Yeah ppl calling him crazy genuinely rubs me the wrong way
lol the billionaire has all the money to treat his complex but refuses to do so. I have 0 sympathy for him
@@michaelpark3122 thats fine just dont treat other bipolar people as shitty as you'd treat kanye, thats the point
Kanye is a self-absorbed asshole contrarian so refusing to get help with his mental health issues was HIS choice. The only person to blame for his downfall is himself
Talking about Future not being respoble for the misogny he might spread to his fans from his music because misgyny is a really old concept is a hilarious argument, because it implies Kanye created anti-semitism or at the very least anti-semitism in rap.
That’s what I’m saying the points they be making against Kanye are so bad it’s actually abnormal
@@RADIOACTIVEYOUTHBrother I’m saying, Shawn actually defended murder to shun Ye 😂😂😂 wtf is wrong with these people. These “moral high ground” guys are in reality the most obnoxious and pretentious people on the internet.
@@Byronic19134sure sounds like you're asserting a moral high ground here...
No, it just correctly acknowledges that latent misogyny and latent anti semitism are on VASTLY different levels. If the sort of insane shit Kanye has been saying were as mainstream as misogyny you'd have a point. As it stands, you're talking complete nonsense.
The problem is that he's one of the biggest rappers of all time spreading this rhetoric.
Nah 2:20 Shawn is really goated for this take. When I brought up the issues I had with how my former friends had treated me, they immediately brought up my borderline and how I’m just having an episode and that I was being completely unreasonable and yeah they tried to gaslight me out of how I felt so knowing that it does in fact happen to other people makes me feel so much better about how I reacted and how I moved forward.
I don’t get why he said he wouldn’t review kanye but still did it
Thats also what triggers me the most. Like just dont review it. You telling the world you dont review it because u dont want to give him or his fans a platform yet make 10 minutes video about u r not reviewing it IS the definition of giving them a platform.
Leave it the fuck alone. We all thats being objective in this situation knows Melon want the exposure and the heat that comes out from that video. Fuck kanye and everything that he stands for but its mindblowing to me melon or even shawn blame Ye diehard fans for doing what they'been doing to the point fantano "dont want to review it". Like what the FUCK do you expect?
Honestly yeah acting like it didn’t exist would have been better, I didn’t even realized he made a new one
"Who ain't entertained by my pain? Who ain't cashed a check off my name?"
Ye knew exactly what he was talking about
To get some attention, I think. unreviewable 1 is his most viewed video of him in a while. I agree with some points in the review, but 9/10th of the review is not about the album. It's ok, tho.
The reaction was definitely towards the fans.
If he doesn't like the album or dont wanna review it because of the stuff surrounding it; platform white supremacy is a better way to frame the optics of the review.
The politics within the music ruins some of it, but to alienate a portion of his audience that just doesnt care for the political angle isnt smart imo.
But i think there is a portion of Kanye's audience be coming uncomfortablely loud who i think the people upset at Fantano dont wanna be associated or grouped with.
how does he alienate anyone, and why would any reasonable person be upset at him
@@prodigion1 Imma give 2 responses so it's not one long ass thing.
1. Fantano saying the album is un reviewable primarily because the artist is heavily putting his politics into the art, or the artist themselves being a questionable person comes off as hypocritical.
He's reviewed People like Tom McDonald, and Killer Mike who spit hateful,ignorant and uninformed information and create bigoted people similar to Kanye.
Like Shawn said although it's not to the same degree of outreach of someone like Kanye West it doesn't take away the fact that those artists are who they are .
Also from the stream , and the timing of the review it seemed like Fantano didn't want to genuinely review the album.
I'm not saying this is true,I'm explaining how he came off to some people.
@@prodigion1 2.
Generalizing an audience of Kanye size to
Nihilistic teenagers,Cultists, and White Supremacists.That literally Alienates a huge ,and probably the largest portion of people; who aren't attached to Kanye or his antics, don't notice even some of the bars fantano show cases , and just want to listen to the music.
Like Fantano said there was a large portion of people who were just hip hop fans , but he's talking like that crowd suddenly merged or doesn't exist anymore.
The implications that group doesn't exist anymore puts people in the situation where they are unfairly being associated with a group of people they don't align with, or they simply don't matter.
Again I think most people aren't upset with Fantanos underlying message , but some things he said didn't come out well thought.
He conveys this thought Better throughout the video;that Kanye is attracting ,and creates x types of fans.
@@Synical02 Thanks for the effort to respond. I'll say this: 1. I don't think that having reviewed a bad influence in the past makes you somehow morally obliged to review another bad influence. People are obsessed with this 'hypocrisy' but they're not even arguing against any of Fantano's takes or choosing a side - they're just arguing that his takes aren't consistent, which is not a valid counter-argument imo.
2. When he talks about Kanye fans, I think it's clear he means people that like Kanye, i.e. Kanye supporters, not people that listen to his music. After all, Fantano has enjoyed Kanye's music. Therefore I don't think he alienates anyone.
@@prodigion1 That's why I said I think many people aren't upset with his underlying Messages ,and what's he's trying to convey , just how he delivered it came off in a way that rubbed people the wrong way that gave off the idea he felt a certain way.
Obviously with the context of his stream people understand the stream DEFINITELY set him off a little bit .
But the point of his inconsistency is that it is a different argument; I don't think necessarily think he's obligated to review X bad person if he's stomached X bad person too.
I think the unreviewable; It's just surprising to a lot of people because ,he's reviewed certain people like Tom for example who he despises and is harmful as well,but went through with it anyway so the assumption was he could stomach this too .
I still am glad Fantano stands on his Morales and ideals even if he doesn't please everyone .
I'm bipolar, and at no point has it made me say anything remotely positive about Hitler. In fact, it probably makes me hate him even more.
To be fair, most people who are bipolar aren’t one of the 25 most famous humans in the world.
I think the whole “I am Hitler” stuff and white supremacy stuff is his way of saying “nothing I say can stop me”.
It’s kinda like how people say the most famous people have the weirdest kinks. Like only millionaires are having golden showers if you know what I mean. After a certain point, you run out of things that make you feel good when you can have anything you want in life.
Kanye in 2005 was focused on getting to the top of music and fashion.
By 2015, he felt he was getting there, but it wasn’t the same satisfaction with it due to constant stimulation. He needed something new. So his music shifted to releasing anything he wants (poopity whoop) music wise and fashion wise (releasing bland grey clothing with holes and stains for hundreds of dollars a pop).
Now it’s 2024. He hasn’t gone anywhere and releasing more music isn’t increasing his power or influence. So, now he’s gonna do the same thing he did in other paths. He’s gonna say anything he wants knowing he’ll get support, in hopes that it also boosts his influence. His plans to run for President are real, if he lives for 20 more years then there’s gonna be a year he has a real shot and I think he knows that.
Don’t believe me? Trump ran for President 4 times before he got elected. All his fans think he ran for the first time in 2016. Thats influence.
Thanks for this video Shawn. It was refreshing to see someone break this all down in a calm and clear headed way without diminishing the point Anthony was trying to make. I think he sometimes gets lost in waves of negative discourse cause of the sheer volume of his audience and how young (and devoted to Kanye) they are. It makes it hard to back him when in all honesty his reaction to the record was more than fair, as is telling Kanye to get lost too
never actually met a kanye stan irl, they all live online
Morons who need to touch grass fs.
You don't talk to enough upper-middle class white boys.
I don't agree with the misogyny point by Fantano.
He constantly reviews rap music and NEVER complains about misogynistic lyrics.
My guy hasn't said shit about Future, Lil Pump, Migos, Gucci Mane and tens of other rappers that say much worse things about women in their music.
Bro the Gabriel cover was so bad. All they had to do was just get Chris Brown to resing it ,but they made such a cheap sounding jersey club beat and even though the og had those weird vocal effects it used them sparingly which made it special and they did it for the entire 2ne verse which just made it cheap. I really can't believe they commondified a UK and South African classic just to make that piece of garbage. I'm so salty about that especially since it could've been great since the three artists are so talented.
Womp womp boo hoo
@@JustiBuns “Hmm, interesting argument. Too bad my only response is ‘womp womp boo boo’ lul I’m so quirky 🤪”
@@smaaron_j_46 Why would I argue/debate on RUclips lil bro. Womp womp lookin mf😭
The whole album is boring and when it's not boring it's bad. It's music for people who listen to 7 albums a year maximum.
Chris brown in 2024 is crazy... There is a lot of people who could had done it better
i hate when people act like fantano is just some guy on youtube like he doesn’t have massive influence himself. fantano helped launch careers, and also has a cult following. i just feel like this is all so performative. i understand disliking ye, but this man is parading around the fact he gave sexy red an 8/10 like he did something amazing for feminism. when realistically he just likes triggering weirdos online.
sexy red can get an 8, but someone like isaiah rashad can drop a near flawless album, all chill music, no bars about liking h*tler, and get no more than a 5. why can he critique our art for a decade, but no one can say anything about anthony because it’s his “opinion” . no if you post something publicly then people have the right to respond and say whatever they please
@@millieworld1012 they can argue about his opinion, but the way Ye stans did it was so bad faith and used little to no critical thinking to discuss it.
@@smaaron_j_46 kanye fans are toxic and annoying, but fantano gets more and more out of touch every year, i can’t say it isn’t deserved. he didn’t even listen to carti’s verse on carnival, which is quite literally the best part of that song, and a highlight of the album. he turned it off after 2 bars 😭 music critic not even listening to the music. i don’t think fantano should have a voice on modern hip hop.
@@millieworld1012 I mean, if people like Carti on Carnival, more power to them, but I honestly didn’t even know he was on the song til I opened up RUclips lol. Probably because for one, the features are hidden, and two, I didn’t hear his iconic baby voice. Just loud, abrasive production and Kanye giving his most offensive verse yet 😂
100000% performative. Just ignore the album and keep it pushing.
What's crazy to me is Shawn says Future and the like are not nearly big enough to be a root problem when it comes to other morally wrong things such as misogyny, murder and the like, and that other rappers/singers who have murdered and killed are not big enough to have an affect or change people's perspective on certain topics (which isn't true btw) but then says it's him and Fantanos responsibility to push back against Kayne because they have large platforms so essentially and he is one of the biggest artist in the world. So what I'm can infer is
- Kanye is the root of Anti-semitism? It definitely hasn't been in inherent problem in the U.S and been openly a problem for a long time now
- Murder isn't as accepted in society so no need to push back against it?
- If you aren't as big as ye you don't need to be talked about?
- You only push back against people if it's popular
These are the arguments I heard, I know there are going to be dweebs bringing up nuance and the articulations of the situation but the reality is you either push back against everyone who has said or done something "bad" bad, or wrong or you don't talk about it at all and go back to making "unbiased" music reviews otherwise you are the definition of a hypocrite plain and simple.
To type all this out and still miss the point is crazy.
didn't miss the point just addressing some problems I personally find with your and Fantanos arguments regarding the situation. Anyway love your content@@ShawnCeeLIVE
@@Vergilsjackpot w comment man I felt many of the same sentiments
Rap as a genre was founded as an expression of the systemic struggles and adversity that black people faced. Things like murder, the over sexualization of women, and general crime of that nature is very present in rap because it’s the conditions that these artists grew up in. When you grew up in those areas, you probably joined a gang and yes probably killed people. That’s the experience that is forced upon black people. Things like anti semitism aren’t a product of a forced experience and instead are willingly taken on and learned, thus it’s not nearly as acceptable.
I do however have a problem with homophobia in rap, and how it’s hand waved away as being a product of their time, but imo if an artist is a bigot, then they aren’t worth revering in any capacity. Or at the very least should be openly disavowed for their views until they change for the better. For example Nas made it a point to remove all the homophobic slurs from illmatic when he had last performed it live. Stuff like that I think makes it more acceptable to embrace their legacy in the genre, whereas as far as I know DMX never reconciled with his homophobic rhetoric in any capacity.
The hardest point to reconcile though for me is how not just rap, but most genres degrade women regularly and it’s seen as okay. I’ll openly admit I’m hypocritical because I enjoy music that does degrade women, despite having a problem with it, but I would genuinely love to see that change in all music
I think generally when it comes to things like murder and misogyny in music, we should attack the systems that cause these problems and not the people who are victims of the system
People dont want to "platform" Kanye but will endlessly talk about how they dont want to "platform" Kanye.
The ONLY reason I knew about Vultures dropping was because of the Fantano vid and now I keep hearing about it because this guy keeps popping up in my feed.
You don't have a choice, Ye Is Art!!!!!
Vultures is the #1 album in the world for the 2nd straight week bro and yeah since Ye is independent now all his advertising has been word of mouth.
1. How the hell can you platform someone with an infinitely larger platform than you who gets covered pretty much everyday by the media for whatever reason.
2. Like Shawn said multiple times throughout the video because idiots like you keep bringing up this point and it’s that if you have a platform and morals and ethics (something kanye does not have), it makes sense and is completely necessary that you voice your opinion as well, if someone is hates racism yet has to wake up everyday constantly hearing that this one famous guy keeps saying and doing more racist stuff, would you still ignore it?
3. The people saying that melon is just “virtue signaling” and the he actually doesn’t give a single shit he’s just doing it for the money he’s going to get from all these videos are again incredibly stupid as the haters are the ones watching his videos giving him money anyway and even if it’s wrong, the same people complaining about this are the same people literally streaming Kanye’s music and giving him monetary gain, more of a monetary gain then what fantano will ever receive.
The Kanye fanboys just need to accept they’re wrong with this one and anything and everything they say to go against fantano and defend Kanye is completely wrong and can be disproved instantly. I get it’s hard to accept that someone who used to be so great is now horrible but trust when you do your life will be so much better.
If someone has a bigger platform than you already, you're not 'platforming' them. You're punching up. Most people are not like you and only heard of Kayne's album because of Fantano. That's a rare case.
I 100 percent agree with Fantano stating the reason why he won't review the album, but he just looks like he's raging in the way he delivers this. Just say you don't care for Kanye's anything, and move on.
I dont see raging as an invalid emotion towards Kanyes insufferable fanbase
I will say he should’ve never streamed it, reviewed, or at least cut the stream off before he went on a rage fueled rant on live. Shawn had it right, don’t review this shit you’ll get hate from either fans or people who see you giving a platform for bigotry, and as a result of the hate you may even baby rage on live and in a RUclips video towards minors still in development.
Hard to move on if you get harrassed on every vid and all over the internet dont you think??
@@NachoLibreGOAT Thats not what Shawn said 💀💀💀 he literally said if you have a platform that it is your responsibility to push back against harmful rhetoric
@@NachoLibreGOAT its old bald men too plus why would fantano play fair when Kanye is a living piece of trash and would be better of locking himself in for the next 10 years
I think the issue is, Fantano when it comes to kanye, has gone beyond music. He had rappers personally attack him and still review their music with no bad blood but hes always playing politics with kanye. Im not a fan of fantano but i enjoy hearing his different perspective on music but for months now hes be posting a lot of shorts getting political about kanye and how much he doesnt like kanye. Even when kanye goes on his short breaks from social media, fantano will find something to dislike about kanye. Fantano isnt necessarily wrong about kanye but its a clear almost parasocial beef he has with kanye and his fans. Hes far too attached imo and probably needs a break from youtube.
not a fan of either of them but openly slamming kanye is an easy way to pander to the left, which is what fantano has been doing since the fader article. it feels like he’s more interested in covering his own ass and appearing as politically correct as possible rather than genuinely spreading awareness on injustices to minority groups. man’s an egomaniac with an inferiority complex and the act is pretty transparent.
no its not out of line to point out that his wife walks naked in public like she is his puppet, never smiles and never says anything
People say Kanye is winning and over Kim when this girl is a straight up Kim clone. He ain’t well.
Lets be honest, the album wasn’t great. It doesn’t change the fact that hes got 4/5 solid tracks on there that will be appreciated more as the years go on. But an albums an album and it must be judged as a whole, not a few tracks. Hopefully the second volume is better
I surprisingly enjoyed it but lyrically it’s pretty fucking bad. I’m a carti fan (and fan of other similar artists) so I don’t generally care about lyrics that much, especially when I was going into the album aware that it was going to be more club oriented and shit, but man some of these lyrics are hard to ignore with how wack they are
@@phosforek7343 "How dare you have a nigga in your house eatin' Papa Johns?" like bro 💀
@@phosforek7343I agree with this, the album was just... An album the lyricism could've been so much better for the music made but damn.
@@phosforek7343You listen to Carti but you're worried about lyricism? What Carti album was ever lyrical can you even hear what that guy says?
@@phosforek7343carti is just as worse kanye is. And he is going the exact same way, and also faster 😭
I still stand by separating the art from the artist. Its like people forget that there are other parts of the music that can be appreciated whether it the atmosphere it creates, the production, vocals flow etc. Absolutely, lyrically its not his best but its so evident when people are simply hating on the album due to the person and not the content.
Yes of course but fantano also makes a good point that kanye is bringing the problematic into the music, in the lyrics. Unless you explicitly ignore lyrics id find it pretty hard to look past it
@@niclinker619 he does but again that depends on how you choose to listen to your music. If you place a heavy emphasis on lyrics, then chances are you will be disappointed and even offended by kanyes album and even other albums that are lacking in the lyric department. My personal take is that if you're a critic, you're going into every album open minded and not just focusing on one element. I have listened to albums that had questionable lyrics, ideologies that I dont agree with at all, or just lack any lyrical substance. But if the other surrounding elements make up for it, then I don't have a problem
This isn't about whether or not you should separate the art from the artist. It's about the best way for Fantano to review (or not review) the album, given his power and influence as a music reviewer. It's about responsibly reviewing music that is intertwined with Kanye and his political ideas.
@@niclinker619 I was mostly just interested in the production ngl.
Famously, Chris Brown's critic ratings didn't drop after his controversy. I think its pretty normal for reviews to be soured by the artist. Its the same way Im not gonna work hard at my job and be a total jackass, and expect a positive review on my work despite that quality of output. People remember
this whole situation is so r worded i’m ready to delete social media
Jus say the word bro 💀
I don’t have any social media but I’ve been using twitter again just because I’ve been trying to keep up with this one artist I follow but holy shit the discourse fucking sucks I’m sick of people every which way talking out they ass saying shit that’s just not even true and giving their 2 cents without actually saying anything
Just do it, I did a couple months ago, it's not worth it anymore
@@firstlast9846 not tryna get banned off youtube again 💀
@user-yl8zp9mn1w - bro what did you do the first time? 😂
I think Fantano was way too morally invested in the terrible things Kanye was saying and too riled up by the annoying antics of Kanye fans to make a genuinely unbiased review like he normally does. I do think he was being too emotional and going at Kanye fans too but I think that for him, in particular, it was unreviewable. I’m gonna keep his opinion on the music, itself, in the back of my mind when I listen to the album but I do agree with his statements on Kanye and his fans
he called everyone that listens to ye a nihilistic teenager, nazi, or racist...those might be a percentage of his fans but it's not all of them by a far shot. it's a wild thing to believe and openly present as fact.
@@gourmetghost I get that not all Kanye fans are Nazis, nihilistic teens, or parasocial wierdos but every Kanye fan I’ve had the displeasure of conversing with (at least online) has been either a nihilistic teen or a parasocial weirdo (I’ve yet to meet a nazi). As someone who is a genuine hip-hop head, but doesn’t have an emotional connection or investment in Kanye or his previous work, It’s impossible to talk about nuance and genuinely criticize kanye and his music without being labeled a hater or trying to be woke
@@eddiecampos they’re the brand new equivalent of Eminem stans. Just obnoxious, angsty teens that think they know what music is and shouldn’t be criticized
There is no unbiased opinion here. Kanye should be called out and boycotted because of his shitty opinion.
@@gourmetghosthe didn’t say that applies to every Kanye fan, you just misunderstood
regardless of how fantano feels ab vultures, that album has some of the worst ye verses oat flow wise lyrics the way his vocals are mixed and mastered etc.. it’s a huge disappointment
My opinion exactly, despite loving his music normally
And consider that most of his songs had 4+ writters and some even had over 6 producers
Production is the best this year
@@stellar1252 absolutely not... have you heard only 2 albums this year? little simz EP alone washes this BS... half the beats sound like demos. shit's crazy
@@ahmetyegenaga Vultures production wayy better than drop 7 don't kid yourself
Shawn, you and Anthony have integrity and that is priceless. Keep on keeping on, man. 👍
Shawn cee always on the right side of history
Except when hes not
@@baddonkeyworld7254 shit man, you got me
@@mudgepeeman3508 ik
@@baddonkeyworld7254 but we have to separate the art from the artist, Shawn might still be racist towards Latinos, but his takes on this video are pretty good 👍🏻
@mudgepeeman3508 we don't always have to. Especially when the artist seeps in bullshit into the art to the point where it's indistinguishable.
Hi shawn, I agree completely on your first point. I just wanted to say that I also "deal" with people who suffer from similar problems that Kanye has shown. I have a friend who has a degree of bipolar disorder, mental instability, suicidal tendencies and anxiety. She will sometimes cut herself, attempt suicide, or overdose on pills and stuff like that. And yet, despite all of that, she's the sweetest, most lovely person I've met in quite some time. Even though she's well aware of her struggles and problems, she doesn't use that as an excuse for poor attitude. It's the opposite, she uses her diagnosis as a way of move foward and provide for her loved ones all the energy and love that she has. And when we call her out on a certain attitude or idea we think it's not adequate, she corrects herself and tries to be better. There is NO excuse for what Kanye is doing, doesn't matter the syndrome he has, if my friend, who barely has enough money to live in respectable conditions and who gets bullied in her classroom by other students, can do it, then a billionare with millions of fans around the world should do it too
His opinion is his opinion but he did it in a very headass way
right because people wouldn’t keep tweeting and commenting on live streams for him to say something about the album…
@@GambitRadiothis didn't solve his problem it only made it worse lmao
No. Kanye is a fucking NAZI. This shouldn't even be talked about.
no tf he didn't.
Shawn , I respect your opinion so much. As a black man in this society, I believe racism towards black ppl is culturally accepted. I feel like a point Ye was trying to make with a lot of that was, “how come their feelings matter more than ours”…I actually thought Ye brought up some valid points….
Ye said he loves Hitler, I feel like that’s equivalent to a blk persons everyday. Our last names come from slave owners, we walk by statues of slave owners, go to schools named after them. America constantly reminds us of how much they love our “Hitler”.
Ye also said that slavery was a choice. Even if that’s what Kanye means when he brings up Hitler, compares himself to Hitler, etc., he’s already openly denounced what our ancestors have been through so I don’t see how he can get benefit of the doubt.
@@BlkStar99 you know… there were a lot of slave rebellions in the 1800’s….. they were were all stopped by black ppl, being afraid of the repercussions (those same slaves later were hung anyway)…so honestly , it was a choice for some
Bro you're spitting facts
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@@damxn7303FACTS
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I feel like the person who commented that would put in the same amount of effort that Fantano did, on this video, in “reviewing” an album by a trans rapper that talks about politics and transphobia.
Having to fight for your life against brain dead twitch chat that constantly, I could never. Although some of them were good faith questions.
My thing is, Morgan Wallen can say the n-word and didn't get talked about like this. I ain't see Fantano do this when he dropped his last album.
Yes he did.
@@madstaticmke414 where
Fantano has reviewed multiple albums from Burzum, and defended his doing so by using the separate art from the artist argument. Mind you, Burzum is a racist Nazi who uas committed arson and murder, and is the same person Fantano is criticizing Kanye for associating with.
I think the reason hate his video on Vultures so much is because he keeps saying that he doesn’t want to give Ye a platform but then immediately talks about how bad of a person he is like 2 videos later which inherently give Ye a platform
That’s why the best response is to stay quiet and avoid his music. Stop supporting the man in any way possible.
Fantano was definetly a hypocrite as he did actually review some of the songs and do a live reaction. Also, I think the best response would be no response because full album review or not he still is having all the Kanye fans attack him. I honestly think fantano did this for attention and money
What money though? A full review would give him more clout, attention, and money, don't act like this outburst is actually calculated
do you seriously think doing a normal review would give him more attention than him making a video complaining about why he cant review vultures? Cuz just for example, this shawncee video would have not been made if fantano just did a regular review. Now, im not gonna lie, to deny the fact that what fantano is doing has gotten him attention has to be stupid@@niyandrey
my thing is, you cant be half-half on your opinions. you need to be able to stand firm and hold onto your resolve if you want to take sides. You cant say kanyes album is unreviewable, then listen to gangster rap and give them praise when they talk about a triple entendre about killing people, it just doesnt make sense to me.
The hypocrisy is the biggest thing. Most rappers are speaking about sliding on the"opps," popping pills, sexual debauchery, killing people, and peeing on people's graves. Yet, nobody, including Fantano, bats an eye (it's just art). You can have preferences and say this is what I will platform and this I won't, but why pretend that you are morally consistent with other rappers.
The difference is Kanye has influence,someone as big as kanye gives people with antisemitic views a platform and someone they can look up to.If it were Jay Electronica for example no one would care cause no one looks up to him.Kanye is alot of people's ideal and were actually witnessing people use Kanye as figure for why they're right
@@sircartier2723can you guys pls stop using “number of audience” argument and actually pay attention that both messages are poor!
If Fantano is not for the harm of groups then why listen and review the music that you claim is harmful
@@sircartier2723 - I like what she said @taylormade9748
@@sircartier2723Drake has influence and literally raps about killing people and treating women like dogshit lol
@@ralf8799but drake doenst go live with Alex jones and says this shit genuine on air
A tweet saying “i dont want to rate the album due to kanye’s recent statements” wouldnt have gotten as much hate but the fact he just decided to moan and whinge about it on a video and talk down on people enjoying the music like some white saviour is what left a bitter taste for me
Then you didn’t watch the video, it’s not about not enjoying vultures because Kanye is a bad person it’s that a review of Kanye isn’t worth the time because Kanye’s fans aren’t listening to any critiques of him and Kanye’s detractors hate him
@@mattchampionwithboxes i watched the video my guy
people like fantano end up being even more racist than kanye and they never notice it cause they think they can do no wrong and are protecting the poor little minorities with no privelage to him 😂
To be honest, he shouldn't have even made the video. The album is far from "unreviewable" and as bad as sets it out to be. Yet, if he's uncomfortable reviewing it, then don't. Like, just ignore its existence. There you go.
Vultures went number 1 in Israel😂😂😂
well there's a lot of fascists in israel.
netanyahu's a holocaust denier, and the idf and mossad has partnered with nazis before. i'd believe it.
@@malum9478that's why leftist targeting antisemitism as a most important thing is a lost cause. Powerful Israel government and Jewish organizations on a U.S./Israel paycheck are rightist/fascist leaning
@@malum9478yes because a “few” people get an album to number 1. Make it make sense bud.
@@thet1tan97 the person youre replying to never said "few"
@@malum9478 as someone who lives in israel, what the fuck are you talking about ?
26:30 This comment in the chat is so dumb, yes Anthony Fantano might have some anti-Semitic fans but he obviously does everything he can to not appeal to those people, where as Kanye has made openly anti Semitic statements.
"Nobody is forcing him to review this." Sure, not literally, but how do you think this would go if he hadn´t said anything at all? Don´t you think that people are going to start to ask questions?
*There’s plenty of reasons to not like Ye - that’s fine* but for him to stand by his morals - he’d have to stop reviewing a bunch of people and he’s not gonna do that.
What people?
@zeefje - every murder rapper, rappers who promote drugs, David Bowie, Carti loads of people
@@firstlast9846I’ve seen that argument I ger some of it but I think people can have a level where a line is crossed while you might not like it but Fantano from previous actions has always shown antisemitism as a line especially on twitter where he’s left leaning
he only became left leaning after he got exposed for being an alt-right panderer back in 2017/2018@@ToxicSpider0711
@firstlast9846 this is still a straw man argument even Shawn brought up in the vid.
Fantano was straight hating on the album / Kanye. When you look at Fantano’s review scores in the past and decide to watch his content then that says more about you then it does him
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Fantano should’ve just made it a YUNOREVIEW I feel like his critiques would’ve been received better but idk 🤷🏽♀️
Shawn your nuance throughout this video has my genuine respect man.
Honestly I kinda agree with Fantano here. Seeing Kanye on such a gradual downward spiral has really affected our perception of Kanye as an individual. This isn't a case of being able to separate the art from the artist because Kanye's behavior over the last 2yrs has been insane. The messy release with Donda 2, his divorce with Kim and his beef with Drake. We can't separate the art from the artist when the artist themselves are spewing negative rhetoric on the album, even if he does it in a tongue and cheek way, he's still doing it, he's saying these things in his songs and to separate that just for the sake of listening to a song you consider good would be like wearing a blindfold and falling asleep while your car is driving full speed down the high way.
Fantano isn't grading/reviewing the album because it's ungradable/unreviewable. He's looking at Kanye and his fans and assessing why they've become so problematic. The album is more a display of Kanye's lunacy so it's easier for Melon to use it as a jumping point to talk about the more serious issue, which is Kanye and his terrible behavior.
I'm not disputing the fact that it seems like Fantano is extremely angry and it might seem cringe cause he chooses to engage with Kanye's fans instead of just ignoring them and just talking about his dislikes about Kanye. But it's what happens when the artist you are talking about is one of the biggest artists in the entire fucking world. Fantano can't avoid them cause they will hound him until Kanye's next record.
he only cares as much as he does cause kanye is black and saying this, he never cared with marilyn manson yet pretends to care with kanye so you can virtue signal abt how he doesnt like nazis. and what terrible behavior has kanye ACTUALLY done?
@@Z4NKA1 the hell does that even matter???
@@madstaticmke414 it matter bc people like you pretend to care abt "racism" and "bigotry" but only care based on who its done to
@@Z4NKA1 first off you don’t know me, second of all, I don’t even know if you’re a real person and thirdly, I don’t tolerate bigotry no matter who it is done to. The discourse towards this album is really showing how much fans like YOU, have lowered the bar for an artist who simply doesn’t deserve it because you can’t handle the fact that he is not at his best anymore and at worst, turn a blind eye to the fact that Kanye platforms white supremacy while making terrible music, but yet you’re mad Fantano is calling it out? It’s okay to ask for consistency, but not only does that show that you don’t watch as much of his content but that all the “whataboutisms” you fans are spewing, make you look even more foolish because your hero is being criticized. Kanye is not above criticism and just because he’s MADE great music, doesn’t mean he gets a pass for being an advocate for white supremacy. Since you think that’s who I am, that’s what I choose to think you are and you and fans like you can get the fuck out of my face.
Fantano is legit doing free promo for Kanye's album it seems counterintuitive
And I think he knows that. That’s why a review like this is kinda self-defeating. You’ll get backlash regardless of whether or not you review it.
😂😂
you think theres people who watch fantano who dont know who kanye is? like theyre being introduced to a new artist now lmao wdym
Not really, melon has an infinitely smaller platform than Kanye nothing fantano does will actually affect Kanye’s influence and scope.
did i say free promo for kanye or free promo for kanye's album? read@@sfbeht7n459
The cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias from Kanye fans and just people in general is actually insane
This new album sucks so bad but fantano lost his head on this one. Both divorced and both gone mad. Two sides of the same coin
@@nozers not really it makes perfect sense why Fantano wouldn’t want to review this album, it’s trash and then to make it worse, Kanye fans IN THE THOUSANDS are coming for him on Twitter like it’s really that good. Probably sending threats and everything over an album
@@Someone_Unknown90 yeah that would make sense, IF HE DIDNT REVIEW HIS ALBUM. Fantano is legitimately a walking contradiction. Stays on good morals by saying he wouldn’t review it while simultaneously making a video reviewing the album. The guy has had just as big of a downfall as kanye, ever since some guy painted him as an alt right creator, he’s been trying desperately to rebuild his image. It’s sad really
@@nozers no it’s more like he’s trying to make sense of a senseless situation, and also his review wasn’t an actual review and more of a video explaining why the album is so trash it’s not worth reviewing. Half his video is just trashing Kanye’s actions as a person and the fans that blindly support him. And that’s the thing you can’t review this album properly without talking about the outside context.
Also calling a music reviewer who reviews mostly hip hop albums a “alt right” creator is actually the dumbest thing I’ve heard today. That just doesn’t make sense, I think a lot of people hate genuine criticism from things they like and hating on Fantano is just coping.
Funny thing is Fantano said before "I separate the artist from his/her art. " Destiny had a clip of Fantano saying I review someone if they killed, or have racist thoughts, or other shit.
RUclips music critics reviewing a reviewer reviewing an album they both haven’t listened to and promised they won’t review 💀 but Kanye is a narcissist 😂
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@@smaaron_j_46 I hope Shawn makes a reaction to your comment by saying he’s not going to react to it
FD Signifier has made a video about Kanye and separating art from artist this week on his B-Sides channel. I think it's worth reacting to and discussing if you want to keep following this topic.
I just find it hilarious that everyone seems to forget that Kim was always naked, Kanye always showed her, and Kanye said the same things about her as he does now… no one seemed to take issue with that and infact called her every name in the book of insults you can say about a person. And why??? Cause white people didn’t view her as white… now that he is married to a more culturally assigned white woman.. everything is an issue. Now it’s being asked if shes ok, is Kanye making her do this stuff, oh he disrespecting her….. it’s wild. Have you heard Bionca talk?? Are you familiar with her prior to the Kanye? Trust me, she’s not being forced to do anything lol. Now look, I would love to have some old Kanye music again, I would love to see him link up with past collaborators and get back to the good music days… but the truth is, if Kanye was the old Kanye, we would have moved on from him long ago. Kanye is still culturally relevant and musically cause he knows how to do both rather you like it or not. You gone hear his name, you gone hear his music, you gone see his wife lol, you gone see a pair of Yeezys on every 5th set of feet. Yall call him crazy but he is very well aware of what he’s doing. Lastly, I find it crazy that the people who currently dislike Kanye can’t seem to discuss him and his actions without stereotyping the people who listen to his music and that’s really ironic… your doing the samething you claim he’s doing.. but since your not Kanye.. it’s cool?
You don't have to talk about anything but the music. I'm 10 years once this trend is over, we'll look back and wonder why we did all this.
When music review "experts" get in to politics and commenting things they don't really understand. Like mental health.
Most art including music is political by nature. You can't properly commentate on music or music subcultures, without mentioning it.
Jik is so underrated
I feel like it’s obvious that he’s reviewing in bad faith because he literally talks about less than half the tracklist it feels like he’s cherry picking songs he disliked and then generalizing the whole album as trash
i mean it’s not a proper review he didn’t even score it
he's not obligated to give him good faith. the video is literally him saying "i'm not reviewing this and here's why". grow tf up
When you call an entire album "unreviewable" then "trash" and then continue to insult it and review it later you've defeated yourself and your argument he says it's trash and gives us some lines which arent even offensive mind you from the songs he hates.@@malum9478
@@malum9478 (doesn't review album because artist has antisemetic background) (has Burzum reviews) he is at least obligated to not have double standards as a critic.
Love how you think you ate with this.
He doesn't want to review the album. Speaking about every track would be reviewing the album.
I honestly felt like the album was pretty good
It was a banger
I couldn’t care less what Kanye says or does in his private life. This album is just not good and that’s it. If the music was good we won’t be having these discussions. Same thing with Drake’s FATD, if the music was good nobody cares if he appeals to kids or nah.
Now that I think about it, Kanye might have gotten CTE from that car crash…
Reviewing albums from people that kill but not from people that say harmful things is insane.
Yes. I would listen to von before i listen to a racist song talking about black people. Why cant they both be bad? People are more worried about youtubers being hypocrites more than Kanye literally being antisemtic. Doesn’t make sense.
@@Brandon-tz5pn they are both bad. Acting like people that lost their lives isn’t as bad as racism is wild.
@@Kordellll Thats not what I said
@@Brandon-tz5pn"I will listen to songs about murder by a lowlife, drug-pushing gangster, but criticising black people and Jews is where I draw the line".
@@AvocadoBawlz-Johnson correct
my biggest thing was him having different energy for this situation than with Ye album 2018 and slavery is a choice comments