@il1286yes, but that is not the important bit, the important bit is that why would an alien species advanced enough to fly in spacecrafts and abduct people use a technology that we ourselves have determined to be outdated and, in any case, optimised for our hands? It's very subtle, but it supports heavily that his story is a lie.
The last clip about rot in the stump that he's talking about is sap rot. That's perfectly normal in all trees and happens quickly after cutting. The inside of the tree is "dead" and dry while the outside shuttles water and nutrients up and down the stem and is wet. Also, in pine, there's pitch or resin which accumulates near the center or heart of the tree and it prevents decay. For a logger, he didn't learn very much while being out there.
Exactly. And growth rings change depending on how favourable the conditions were at the time, like light, warmth, water and nutrients or removal of competing trees around.
Yes the rot he is talking about is common here in AZ! I live 40 miles from where he and his buddies were logging! In fact we go running around all up on this mountain in a Polaris side by side and there is nothing but wildlife going on!!
When you look at wooden shipbuilding, you will see that always care is taken to cover up the front of all beams and planks in the construction as much as possible. You wanted to avoid to have the open ends of the wood, as there the water and rot would enter. Therefore, in the high time of wooden shipbuilding, in the 1600s and 1700s, where wood was still amply available, they preferred not to saw planks, as this does not follow the fibers, but opens them up along the length of the plank, but "chisel" them out, with that you take awas whole fibers over the whole length. leaving the rest intact, quasi sealed. The shipboulding effort was madness in these days. You need an abundance of wooden knees to e.g. join the vertical frames and the horizontal deck beams together. To get these as strong as possible, the carpenters roamed the forests for trees that had branches with exactly the right angle. Partly trees were grown where they provoked the fitting angles . There is a saying that In Spain a sparrow could hop from tree to tree across the whole of Spain without ever having to touch the ground, so densely forested was the country. Then Spain became a naval superpower, they built the Armada(s), etc. Now Spain is largely a hot, dry, open savannah-like landscape. That is all totally consisten with your rotting of tree stumps The fibers are all opened, the water has an easy entrance.
I know, that has nothing to do with UFOs, but maybe it opens up a new field of interest that you had not considered before.
@@JasonCoffman-xu5ks Yea they even found a puncture wound at his arm, looking like an intravenous injection. The first independent polygraph tester even mentioned that it was a gross deception. Apart from that the Walton family was known for pranking other people. It’s all just a hoax
My girlfriend grew up in Snowflake, AZ and she is good friends with one of his daughters. She says that he has never changed his story and his family are some of the nicest people.
@@Unitenotfight no, critical analysis of the evidence makes it true or false. Sadly for Walton, the only evidence in his case disproves any “legitimacy” of his claims.
I had to take a lie detector test, back in the mid 80s , I told the truth, for some reason tho , they said I was being deceitful on one of the questions , they asked it several different ways , failed everyone of them , lie detector tests dont mean a thing
The thing that mostly stands out to me is the coworkers went to town saying the guy was killed, not abducted. So why did the one brother and mother assume he was abducted and alive? That’s something that doesn’t make sense to me.
Why would they think abducted if they had no experience in what an alien abduction would look like? I'm honestly guessing seeing him being hit by a beam of light so strong that it launches the guy backward multiple feet would make anyone that saw that think that person was surely dead. I'm not saying I believe him, but that's what I think their frame of mind and thought process would be. You know what I mean?
They did not go to town and say he was killed. They thought the energy that hit him may have killed him. They only guessed that maybe he was taken by the craft. Until Travis came back and told his experience, they all were freaked out because they DIDN’T know for sure what happened to Travis.
All 3 replies seem to be missing ninjaman's point... Until travis re-appeared almost a week later, he was assumed dead, yet his family seemed totally indifferent to this news.
Coincidence? I think only Travis and his friend George, who just happened to be driving that night, were in on it. That's why the other workers passed their lie detectors, they genuinely didn't know what they were watching
So just because the Betty & Barney Hill story broadcast airs before what happen to Travis Walton means to you,that other people cannot have extraordinary experiences?
@@mischiefmakerstudios9900 they planned it all because they couldn’t meet the deadline to get the job done so they had to come up with a story to sell their hoax story for $5000
I saw this film when I was 12 when it first came out and it gave me nightmares until a few years ago, it gave me a phobia about UFOs and aliens. I got a UTI because I was too scared to go to the toilet during the film, and I held it for too long then went to bed with my fingers in my ears and watched the window until sun up.
I watched it too.. was about 10 to 12 and stayed at home alone during family christmas dinner with grandparents .We had a big dark garden, no lights, full of vegetation, with a huge Window on the entire wall of our living room. It was scary to watch that movie. But I did not have Nightmares like you. scared as shit, yes. I guess this stuff was normal for me as I had watched every scifi-movie of the 70s 80s and mid-nineties by the time I was 12:) great times. But I had fear when going down to the basement though, mostly because of the dark and fear of an Alien coming to kill me (like from the Alien movies) lol.
You did a good job trying to stay as middle of the road as you could on this one... I appreciate the section toward the end pointing out the issues that could lead one to believe he's telling the truth. A few years back it would have been hard to put any stock in the "feds were behind it" notion but these days anything seems possible therefore retroactively making anything seem possible. Another great video, Armoured Skeptic!
On the surface, Travis’ story is compelling to say the least, however, I began to feel differently upon actually meeting him in person, shaking his hand and making eye contact with him. I asked him a few simple questions 1 on 1 and the shifty-eyed responses that I got to these questions (with no additional audience), intuitively made me feel that he was being dishonest. In other words, my BS detector went off
Movie was freaking amazing. I’ve watched it many times matter fact I just watched it the other day. I saw it in the theater when I was a teenager. It’s great it scared the hell out of me.
@@AIXITstageleftHis story is rubbish: 1. If he really attended MIT and Cal Tech, he would be able to show some proof. Prestigious schools like that he would save copies of his transcripts and diplomas so he could use them to build his career. He would also have textbooks, a student ID, a library card, or something. He was doing graduate work. Did he do a thesis? He would have saved it. And if none of those, he would have his own records of tuition payments, rent payments, a utility bill, something to prove he even lived in Boston. 2. Not a single person vouches for the fact that he went to MIT or CalTech. He claimed to name two professors, but no one with those names ever taught at either school. Instead, he named an old high school teacher and an instructor from a local community college. Why couldn't he even name his teachers? I could give you a dozen names 20 years after graduation. He claims to have other witnesses but then says they won't step forward out of fear. 11,000 students at MIT, 2200 at CalTech, and the government intimidated and silenced them all? No classmates, no girlfriend, no drinking buddies? Science is very collaborative. No lab partners? What about roommates? Grad school is expensive. No job? Coworkers? A favourite bartender? Work out, buddy? If you went to school with someone who had a highly publicized Netflix movie about aliens, wouldn't you tell everyone, "Hey, I went to grad school with that nutter!" 3. Lazar's story is that he got the job at area 51 because he bumped into a famous physicist (Ed Teller) one day, and they got to bullshitting about cars. Teller then liked Lazar so much that he hooked him up with the job. Just like that. Reverse engineering alien propulsion systems would be the most advanced technology project in human history, but they gave the job to some guy they met on the street? No intensive FBI / State Department or Navy background check? No multiple rounds of interviews? No aptitude tests? Just "eh, he seems cool. Put him on the spaceship thing." 4. All of his documented work history is in fairly non technical work. He currently runs a chemical supply company and used to have some kind of photo processing business. Why isn't this guy still working in his field? If he figured out how the aliens induce and control gravity waves for interstellar flight, don't you think he'd be doing something technical and advanced now? Wouldn't he be hanging out with Elon Musk conspiring to take over space? 5. I'm not a physicist, so I'm not going to try to unpack what's wrong with gravity wave propulsion. If it sounds legit to you, then go nuts with it. His proof is bullshit: 1. **A Dept of Naval Intelligence ID badge with his name and picture on it**. It looks like the kind of badge you get at a lot of jobs. No job title listed. It shows that he had business at one of their facilities, but nothing more. It's not disputed that he was at the base. He was there as a subcontractor doing menial work, not as a physicist. I had a badge just like this when I did some work at the airport. That doesn't mean I had access to the flight tower or planes. 2. **A W-2 from 1989 from the Dept of Naval Intelligence**, showing a total annual income of $958.11. That's about $2,000 in today's money. In 1989, a BA in engineering would get you a starting salary of $50K (in today's dollars). He claims to have 2 masters so he would be making more. So, for $2000 in an entire year, how much work did he really do for them? 3. He mentioned element 115 in an interview years ago before it was successfully created in a lab. But it was known at the time that you could theoretically construct higher atomic number elements, so it wasn't inconceivable at all. Currently, element 115 is unstable in all its forms and doesn't have any of the properties Lazar describes. He claims there is a stable isotope of the element and that it is the power source for the UFOs. He also claims to be in possession of it. So why doesn't he produce this revolutionary element with profound energy applications? And why wouldn't the military have taken it back by pretty much any means necessary? If you stole one of their guns, they'd come get it. If you stole this, you'd never see the light of day again. 4. He mentioned a hand scanner security device that identifies you based on the bones in your hand. It's later confirmed that the military used something like this in secure facilities. To me, this is not mind-blowing or convincing of anything. He may have seen or heard about it while at the base or from people off base talking. That doesn't mean he used it or that he actually had access to anything. That's it. His physical evidence is 2 bits of minutiae from a short-term contracting job that doesn't indicate any special access or privileges. He also claims to be in possession of a revolutionary element but won't produce it. His story is actually kind of boring. You can tell it's very rooted in the UFO imaginings of the 1960s, and in a lot of ways sounds outdated: 1. It's at area 51. It's pretty conventional, but I guess I have to give him this one because his job there is the strength of his story. 2. The UFOs are lame. They're the classic flying saucer from the 60s, like two hubcaps put back to back. But there's little chairs for the aliens to sit in! No word on bathroom facilities. 3. As Adam Frank put it, "Why do the UFOs have lights on them?" I mean, why? 4. The aliens are the typical greys. 5. The aliens are from Zeta Reticuli and have been secretly helping humanity for the last 10000 years. But for some reason, they suddenly killed 40 guys at the base, then up and bounced. But left 9 spaceships behind for the earthlings to fuck with. The only thing interesting about Lazar is the success of his stories and the mental gymnastics of his defenders. They say the usual: 1. **The government erased all the evidence of his education in an attempt to discredit him**. The sheer logistics of this makes it improbable. You would have to believe that agents swarmed two elite universities and bullied dozens of professors and staff members into forever denying the existence of a student. Then they went through and altered all the financial records, all the administrative records, the old phone directories, and the academic records, as well as the personal records of his former professors, TAs, and lab assistants, and all with no outcry or opposition? Do you know how academics tend to respond to government coercion? You also have to believe that they reached out to all of his old classmates, friends, and associates - years after graduation - and not only intimidated them into silence, but confiscated any personal property they had confirming Lazar's presence at the schools. I really don't think this would be successful. 2. Lazar's withholding information to protect himself / others. Except that he didn't have any problems bringing friends out to the lake to show them UFOs in the first place. And when asked to name some of his professors he threw out two fake names instead. Why would it endanger someone to say he was enrolled in his physics class? And at this point, what else does he have to lose? He's already 'blown the whistle', how does proof endanger him? 3. **Lazar doesn't want the attention. He doesn't have a reason to lie**. He has a Netflix movie, another documentary on Amazon, an autobiography and an audiobook. He also does paid interviews and speaking engagements at UFO conferences and the like. He's not a recluse. He does it for fame and money, and probably because it's funny.
2:06 I had this exact experience. I've heard the story many times from RUclips recounts which always sound earnest at the very least but then I saw Travis himself talk and my immediate impression was of a Mike Lindell type character so now I think maybe the RUclips community is giving him credibility through their desire to believe and their efforts to recount his story over the years with a more credible veneer.
Please do a video about Whitley Strieber! I loved the movie Communion with Christopher Walken and when I looked up Whitley Strieber I found lots of weird information about MK-Ultra. I wanted to make a video about it myself just so I could understand it better, but it'd be better if you made one.
Communion started my interest in the possible reality of aliens on Earth. His descriptions of how he didn't remember things till later made me think about Carlos Casteneda's books, how our mind may not allow us to actually s to see or remember things which are either too frightening, or so bizzarre that we can't fit them into our accepted view of reality. But Striber IS a weird dude so that makes me doubt his story.
It does match up with Schizophrenia, however, to play devil's advocate: Why would the aliens bother abducting people who weren't in some way special? They must have selection criteria.
Thank you!! Finally someone with some critical thinking skills. Regarding the logging contract. Mike Roger’s (who was the contract holder and in charge of the crew) had grossly underbid the contract and was way behind. The crew were going to be charged thousands of dollars per day after the deadline until the job was done. The contract ended the day the “Walton incident” happened. They were released from the contract by the US forestry department. Now do Bob Lazar!!
Lmao, your critically thinking skillz are way off. You are definitely not a critical thinker. How is somebody gonna be consitant after being abducted by strange beings plus he was traumatized??? Do you know how trama works???? Criticism is for ducks like you people on the sidelines who think they can tell his story without ever being there.... smh
I had an experience as a kid. I woke up on a cold slab with the feeling of my skin holding me down. It was a dark room that was cold and a big white light above me. When I woke up I was screaming and yelling that I didn't want to die and that I didn't live my life yet that I wanted to have a family and I want to live. I then passed out and when I woke up again I was in my bed with the clothes I fell asleep in on. I was running late for school so I hurried up with brushing my teeth and getting something to eat. I ran to the bus and when I got to school people were making fun of me because one of my socks was in my belt behind me and my foot was missing a sock... I was so afraid I never told anyone because my mom would have had me put in an insane asylum so I didn't tell anyone until I was older. I have seen several UFOs and the United States Government's Antigravity craft on August 30th 2023. Weird things happen to me but I never wanted to write a book and I don't want to go to any UFO conventions because of the fake stuff in those places make people who actually have experiences look crazy. Most UFO folks make money and are previous government officials most likely selling the public that it's all aliens to hide their programs. The current Government Antigravity craft is triangle shaped with lights in the corners and center with red and green navigation lights with strobe lights and a spot light. It's huge and painted gray with the access panels highlighted. Northrop Grumman facilities are the ones most likely building them. They are currently faking bankruptcy probably to help destroy evidence of the program.
Nothing in your story evidences a real abduction, and could easily be explained away by having a dream, and rolling over onto a sock. Just saying. Idk what happened. Maybe you did get taken. Dunno.
@@LAkadian it happened and I was not dreaming... It's the reason I don't tell anyone... Because you have folks who try to debunk you and degrade you.... The secret is not caring
Thats just a twilight experience, between awake and asleep. Your body protects you by immobilizing your muscles while asleep, so if you slip into awakeness it feels like you are being held down. It's happened to me a handful of times. It can feel nightmarish because your brain can supply a very scary narrative to go along with it. It's a quirk.
Not looking somebody in the eyes does not mean they are lying. Some people never look others in the eye. However I do not believe this guy for other reasons.
The opposite is actually true. A liar’s story tends to not change because they are remembering a story they created themselves rather than actual events.
I seen a couple of videos where it was claimed to be a hoax. They said there was a tower that was camouflage to look like a space ship. In these videos, Mike Rogers, Dwayne Walton, Travis Walton, the guy in the tower and Travis Walton's mother was all in on it. The rest of the crew didn't know anything about this hoax, hence the real fright.
Another fake false flag perpetrated by the same people.... Just like anything you seriously dig into and keep an open mind, don't assume you know anything, things quickly don't make sense or add up. Always ask yourself who would benefit or who did benefit from said incident. Many times it's not who its made out to be, it's some Patsy put forth as the perpetrators. Guy Fawkes was most certainly a Patsy! 36 barrels of gunpowder isn't something anyone could get... Basically every narrative we've been told since Santa Claus was fairy tales.
We'd fit 10 or 15 in one when I was a kid. We'd hold on for dear life while getting hit in the face with bugs. Lol Sixty miles an hour or more. Smh Not my kid now! Lol
you are the greatest content creator of all time. Congratulations on being the only creator I have seen with a fact check on their 30 minute long video essay! I will follow until the mother comes to liberate us all!
Thats what jealous people are asking. And because of questions like this many people are afraid to speak about their experiences. Cause there will always be people like you who says they do it for money.
A polygraph can detect neither lies nor truth, their only purpose is intimidation. The machine is meant to scare guilty people into confessing, or at least make them extremely nervous about lying, and the "results" are based entirely on the subjective opinion of the interrogator. Not even remotely scientific.
I think IF any of these "alien" stories are true, Its because in the far future we actually invent backwards time travel and ARE actually studying ancient humans
Fun fact, leading with the polygraph tests is something of a deceptive tactic in the case of both the believers and skeptics. Leading clues followed by affirmation or dismissal (factual or otherwise) is a top-tier manipulation tactic. Right up there with implanting "memories" via suggestion.
Do you believe all people who believe in magic are liars? Or do you find they are just easily manipulated and fooled? The same is often the case for large scale hoaxes. The power of suggestion in a large crowd is POWERFUL. It’s been proven time and time again, in fact daily, in Vegas and other cities around the world. Deception is easy. People don’t wanna believe they are gullible enough to be fooled so they embrace deception as truth until it’s unavoidable. All it takes is one talented liar to pull off a mass deception.
As far as him telling the exact same story for so long, its a lose lose. If the story stays the same then people will say hes not truthful because over decades some small details of the story would change or be added. But if the story changes slightly then poeple would say he's lying.
I respectfully disagree with your assessment (even though at the end you seem to doubt yourself). Snowflake and Heber are small, generally Mormon, towns. This kind of event is so wild, you just can't make it up and get the towns and the feds (c'mon), to go along with the hoax. Not a chance. Those of us from there (Heber) are familiar with the wide open skies (google Mogollon Rim skies) and you do sometimes see strange things. I haven't had a real sighting there but I've legit seen the triangle craft in Phoenix, 15+ years after the Phoenix lights happened. Many people have. That doesn't mean I'm a hoaxer because I've had more than one sighting. Maybe where you live, you don't have them or you can't see them. Idk. Your opinion is your own and I respect it, but you won't convince me the story is untrue. I still believe Travis!
I've been watching you for a number of years now I love how you've progressed, these kinds of videos really do improve my critical thinking skills. I also have a feeling you'd find the 1994 Ariel School UFO Landing in Zimbabwe kind of interesting. Even if you don't make a video about it or even mention it I think you'd enjoy watching videos and reading about it!
They passed because the questions for the cops polygraph were not on aliens but on if the hurt Travis in some way. Aliens were never brought up because the cops thought it was a hoax to hide what actually happened to him. But Travis has failed every polygraph. In all he took 3 and never passed. However I think only one other friend was in on the hoax while the rest were just pawns.
Because Travis first hoaxed the men in the truck. It was brilliant cause he created a half dozen guys that honestly saw something and can pass a lie detector for life. Mike Rogers (the driver) drove them off after Travis was "zapped" by a search light from the Sentry Lookout Tower in the Forest. He then returned them to a different spot to find Travis "missing". They didn't know the area and it was dark so that was smart as now the "UFO" (really a lookout tower you can view online) was gone...along with Travis. Travis, Mike Rogers and the employee in the lookout tower staged the hoax. Mike Rogers confessed a couple years ago and you can find the reporting of this and much other details on youtube.
I'm loving the vibe of this new style of scepticism from you. I grew up a skeptic in the same community as you did. OG RUclips empiricism. As I've gotten older I've started to realise there's more validity to some of the more out their theories than I realised. I'm looking to believe in some of the more goofy shit, but I need to know which goofy shit to believe in. It's great to separate some of the wheat from the chaff.
Ever think he may be Autistic? I know I look the same way when people are talking to me. We aren't lying, just uncomfortable with eye contact. That being said, I am not a big believer either.
Hey greg, great to see you again uploading! Whatever happened to the podcast, if i may ask? I sent a story and you actually read it in i think ep8. Cheers!
I’ve seen ufos about four times. Twice in my apartment complex and twice on the moon thru my telescope. But before my first time I didn’t believe any of it. Still not sure what the hell I saw.
I think many know this, but lie detectors measure skin conductivity; the idea being that you take baseline measurements while they're "at rest", which I think typically includes asking them questions to which you already know the true answer - and then, when you move onto the "real" questions, you look for changes that indicate raised stress, which is the sign of a lie. As for how his fidgeting with his leg might have been him trying to cheat the test: My guess is he was trying to create signs of stress in his body while the baseline was being established so his later lie-stress would seem more "normal". I'm pretty sure that's roughly how it works anyway lol. But yeah, I think following that line of reasoning, it's not hard to see why they're not thought to be the greatest forms of evidence. There's a lot that can alter someone's state, and idk about you, but if I had one of these tests, I'd start getting extra stressed as soon as I realised that "oh boy, we're moving onto the real questions now....", even if I were being wholly truthful lol
@@why67152 What do you mean? These folk told you he was someone who lied a lot, broadly speaking? He specifically told them that this story was a load of bs?
the first tree was a sapling? but there had been no logging in the area after he was taken? sooooo why was the first tree cut way later? this sieve has a lot of holes in it!
The Hills story could be easily told by saying that they were doused with some form of aerosol LSD, which was very popular in the government and then given suggestions on what they needed to see.
Heard about this story my whole life and with all the corroborating evidence and polygraph tests I just took it at face value. Though after hearing just a single uncut interview with Walton it became painfully obvious that he was being deceptive with all his non-answers and topic shifting. Rather than being a complete hoax I believe something strange did occur but Walton was given a deal to change details about his story.
I just watched an interview with Mike Rogers, he also talked about other UFO sightings he had. He seemed out of character for how he has been talked about and portrayed. I was led to believe that these men (who were with Travis) were traumatized and didn't like to revisit the experience.
I believe it because I myself saw a UFO, close encounter of the first kind. I was in Cozumel, Mexico on February 14, 2019. I was on a cruise, and the ship docked at the local cruise port. I was walking around taking pictures with my camera, and one of the tourism workers who was dress3d like a Mayan native called me over. A bunch of these character actors were staring up at this UFO that was hovering around in broad daylight, hundreds, maybe thousands of feet up in the air. This was aroun 11:30, noonish. I took a pic of the UFO and the small group of people who were looking up at it.
Whenever anyone brings up a claimant having passed or failed a polygraph, I just like to remember that there's a reason they're not admissible in court. Setting aside counter measures, the best of which seems to be simply being well-rested and relaxed, they're fraught with error. The "discomfort response" with lying is uneven; have you ever heard a version of "tell a lie enough times, and you'll start to believe it"? Same thing, rehearse it enough and you become comfortable with it. So coming back with a new, passed polygraph after failing one is indicative of re-rehearsing the story as much as anything else. And I'll just add this; Gary Ridgeway (aka The Green River Killer) passed a polygraph test, leading then-Detective (later King County Sheriff, Congressman, and currently Gubernatorial candidate) Dave Reichert to put him down the list of suspects. That test was in 1984, he wasn't arrested on DNA evidence until 2001. Saying that Walton and his crew passed/failed polygraph tests is like saying that they passed/failed a divining ritual. Also, I think it was a hoax by Walton played on the crew.
Who would call out bloodhounds to find someone missing if they've rented? Would 6 loggers not be concerned about being thought crazy and lose their jobs?
Hey Armoured skeptic I’ve commented on your videos before telling a story how I saw a glowing light and I have a new story. On December 6 2022 at 6:35pm at night I was walking my dog with my gf after dinner on a clear crisp night. I live in the country of S. FL it’s basically the middle of no where and sometimes the military jets do aerial fly overs during the day. So that evening while walking the dog we heard a loud noise of a helicopter and it got louder and louder! My girlfriend was concerned it was so loud then we looked up and saw something shocking. Suddenly about two stories high in the sky there were two military helicopters above us traveling South. But between the two helicopters right in front of us was a silver circular disc shaped craft. The helicopters had flashing lights that reflected off the craft it had 3 lights in a triangle shape it looked as though the military was escorting it. “That’s a UFO” I said pointing my gf was speechless 😶. (Which is rare). Idk if what I saw was extraterrestrial or our own technology but it was startling and between the altitude/slow speed it looked bizarre. Thanks man that’s my story. 🛸
I've heard of Betty and Barney Hill, not this one, though. I will say though that I've met many country people who weren't UFO enthusiasts but will still speak of seeing lights regularly while hunting or whatever.
I’m so happy you’re back to making inconsistent content. Your videos are always a fanciful escape from reality. I would like to know that I movement down into the left has been studied as memory recall. This doesn’t mean he’s not full of shit, but a train deceiver would knowthat down into the left his memory up into the right is bullshit. Keep up the good work with the great content.
from the first 2 points you are making you have watched the movie and not any of the 10s or 100s of interviews he has gives wich have been consistent and contredicts the movie wich he has stated is strongly hollywoodified. I would suggest looking into a few of his clips old and new.
I always felt like they got high and drunk there was some kind of accident or altercation and they ditched him in the woods out of fear of jail. They were probably all shocked when he showed back up and couldn't remember what happened.
Everyone: it's aliens
Greg: there's some Scooby Doo shit going on here
And he would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling skeptics!
"That wasn't weed, Shaggy."
Aliens: "Ruh-roh!"
Him mentioning a "joystick" is very of the time technology.
Underrated comment right here
That would make sense since eh would relate what he saw with things he knew about. He wouldn't be mentioning a Steam controller, lol
This needs more upvotes
@il1286yes, but that is not the important bit, the important bit is that why would an alien species advanced enough to fly in spacecrafts and abduct people use a technology that we ourselves have determined to be outdated and, in any case, optimised for our hands? It's very subtle, but it supports heavily that his story is a lie.
To play devils advocate, he is trying to explain what things look like with stuff most people know.
The last clip about rot in the stump that he's talking about is sap rot. That's perfectly normal in all trees and happens quickly after cutting. The inside of the tree is "dead" and dry while the outside shuttles water and nutrients up and down the stem and is wet. Also, in pine, there's pitch or resin which accumulates near the center or heart of the tree and it prevents decay. For a logger, he didn't learn very much while being out there.
reminds me of how fungus can hollow out a tree as it lives in a symbiotic relationship with it
Exactly. And growth rings change depending on how favourable the conditions were at the time, like light, warmth, water and nutrients or removal of competing trees around.
Yes the rot he is talking about is common here in AZ! I live 40 miles from where he and his buddies were logging! In fact we go running around all up on this mountain in a Polaris side by side and there is nothing but wildlife going on!!
When you look at wooden shipbuilding, you will see that always care is taken to cover up the front of all beams and planks in the construction as much as possible.
You wanted to avoid to have the open ends of the wood, as there the water and rot would enter.
Therefore, in the high time of wooden shipbuilding, in the 1600s and 1700s, where wood was still amply available, they preferred not to saw planks, as this does not follow the fibers, but opens them up along the length of the plank, but "chisel" them out, with that you take awas whole fibers over the whole length. leaving the rest intact, quasi sealed.
The shipboulding effort was madness in these days. You need an abundance of wooden knees to e.g. join the vertical frames and the horizontal deck beams together. To get these as strong as possible, the carpenters roamed the forests for trees that had branches with exactly the right angle. Partly trees were grown where they provoked the fitting angles .
There is a saying that In Spain a sparrow could hop from tree to tree across the whole of Spain without ever having to touch the ground, so densely forested was the country. Then Spain became a naval superpower, they built the Armada(s), etc. Now Spain is largely a hot, dry, open savannah-like landscape.
That is all totally consisten with your rotting of tree stumps The fibers are all opened, the water has an easy entrance.
I know, that has nothing to do with UFOs, but maybe it opens up a new field of interest that you had not considered before.
I think he was just pointing out how the tight cluster of (“accelerated growth”) rings are resistant to the decay.
Fire in the Sky was scary as fuck when I first saw it.
To this day I won't let anyone mess with my eyeballs.
The movie was mostly hollywood bs, the incident really happened, but Travis admits he does not really remember what happened.
@@richring3235 The whole incident was bs, and involved a lot of drugs
@@richring3235Find it was a hoax. Rogers confessed to Ryan Gordon.
@@JasonCoffman-xu5ks Yea they even found a puncture wound at his arm, looking like an intravenous injection. The first independent polygraph tester even mentioned that it was a gross deception. Apart from that the Walton family was known for pranking other people. It’s all just a hoax
@@richring3235
It never happened and he gave an account of what supposedly happened.
My girlfriend grew up in Snowflake, AZ and she is good friends with one of his daughters. She says that he has never changed his story and his family are some of the nicest people.
My former employer from Taylor, AZ used to sometimes sit next to Travis and family at church. Said the same thing!
Just because a story hasn’t changed doesn’t make it true.
@@andywagoner4869 just because someone doubts a story, doesn’t make it false.
@@Unitenotfight no, critical analysis of the evidence makes it true or false. Sadly for Walton, the only evidence in his case disproves any “legitimacy” of his claims.
@@andywagoner4869 wagoner? I barely knew her
polygraph tests don't mean shit.
Yeah, using pseudoscience to prove or disprove anything is a fool’s errand.
For real.
These comments warm my heart 😊
I had to take a lie detector test, back in the mid 80s , I told the truth, for some reason tho , they said I was being deceitful on one of the questions , they asked it several different ways , failed everyone of them , lie detector tests dont mean a thing
Nothing does
I cant believe how long ive been watching you .. its been so up and down.. genuinely tho, all the best, im glad this channel survived x
Thanks bud
The thing that mostly stands out to me is the coworkers went to town saying the guy was killed, not abducted. So why did the one brother and mother assume he was abducted and alive?
That’s something that doesn’t make sense to me.
Why would they think abducted if they had no experience in what an alien abduction would look like? I'm honestly guessing seeing him being hit by a beam of light so strong that it launches the guy backward multiple feet would make anyone that saw that think that person was surely dead. I'm not saying I believe him, but that's what I think their frame of mind and thought process would be. You know what I mean?
@@shadowdawnl6930 Exactly, had I witnessed that, survival instincts would kick in assuming he’s dead and I gotta get the F outta here before I am too.
They did not go to town and say he was killed. They thought the energy that hit him may have killed him. They only guessed that maybe he was taken by the craft. Until Travis came back and told his experience, they all were freaked out because they DIDN’T know for sure what happened to Travis.
All 3 replies seem to be missing ninjaman's point...
Until travis re-appeared almost a week later, he was assumed dead, yet his family seemed totally indifferent to this news.
None of it makes any sense.
I would love to see a full video on Tartaria
Second that
@@davidjones8043 Third that.
Third that
Fourth that
He’s done a video all about Tartaria it’s the alien skulls video
He saw the blue man group before anyone else.
Smurf
lol
@@Metaljonus lol , people into aliens are gullible.
The UFO Incident aka Betty and Barney Hill story premiered on NBC 16 days before Travis was abducted. Seen by millions of people. Great film
Very good point.
Coincidence? I think only Travis and his friend George, who just happened to be driving that night, were in on it. That's why the other workers passed their lie detectors, they genuinely didn't know what they were watching
So just because the Betty & Barney Hill story broadcast airs before what happen to Travis Walton means to you,that other people cannot have extraordinary experiences?
@@mischiefmakerstudios9900 they planned it all because they couldn’t meet the deadline to get the job done so they had to come up with a story to sell their hoax story for $5000
Dude your crop circle video was AMAZING. Can’t wait to finish this one
I saw this film when I was 12 when it first came out and it gave me nightmares until a few years ago, it gave me a phobia about UFOs and aliens. I got a UTI because I was too scared to go to the toilet during the film, and I held it for too long then went to bed with my fingers in my ears and watched the window until sun up.
I watched it too.. was about 10 to 12 and stayed at home alone during family christmas dinner with grandparents .We had a big dark garden, no lights, full of vegetation, with a huge Window on the entire wall of our living room. It was scary to watch that movie.
But I did not have Nightmares like you. scared as shit, yes. I guess this stuff was normal for me as I had watched every scifi-movie of the 70s 80s and mid-nineties by the time I was 12:) great times. But I had fear when going down to the basement though, mostly because of the dark and fear of an Alien coming to kill me (like from the Alien movies) lol.
Unhinged thumbnail Gregory
The driver of the truck (the boss of the logging crew), Mike Rogers, recently called Travis Walton a liar and washes his hands of the whole thing
Yeah, so people will leave him alone about it and stop calling him a liar because they don't believe in Aliens. smh
24:24 the next 60 seconds incidentally explains how I imagine most religions and myths got their start too... replace aliens with angels
Only God is real, aliens are a joke.
You did a good job trying to stay as middle of the road as you could on this one... I appreciate the section toward the end pointing out the issues that could lead one to believe he's telling the truth. A few years back it would have been hard to put any stock in the "feds were behind it" notion but these days anything seems possible therefore retroactively making anything seem possible. Another great video, Armoured Skeptic!
"I saw a ufo immediately after being at a MUFON meeting"
Cool story bro
Yeah...
I want a second opinion on the tree rings. I've cut trees before and seen many a stump and those do not look unique.
Exactly
On the surface, Travis’ story is compelling to say the least, however, I began to feel differently upon actually meeting him in person, shaking his hand and making eye contact with him. I asked him a few simple questions 1 on 1 and the shifty-eyed responses that I got to these questions (with no additional audience), intuitively made me feel that he was being dishonest. In other words, my BS detector went off
I really enjoy your content, you do so much work and research, thank you, just thank you,
You're welcome
These fellas weren’t loggers,they were tree spacers
uh, another video already? heck yes!
I LOVE getting new videos from you! You always have such reasonable and analytical breakdowns. Thank you for the years of amazing content!!!!
I was a school kid in and around Snowflake, AZ and knew people who went to school with Travis. Many interesting stories about his younger days.
Movie was freaking amazing. I’ve watched it many times matter fact I just watched it the other day. I saw it in the theater when I was a teenager. It’s great it scared the hell out of me.
Totally!
Do Bob Lazar next
Yes!
Yea ABSOLUTE liar 😂
Bob Lazar has to be paid by the government.
@@AIXITstageleftHis story is rubbish:
1. If he really attended MIT and Cal Tech, he would be able to show some proof. Prestigious schools like that he would save copies of his transcripts and diplomas so he could use them to build his career. He would also have textbooks, a student ID, a library card, or something. He was doing graduate work. Did he do a thesis? He would have saved it. And if none of those, he would have his own records of tuition payments, rent payments, a utility bill, something to prove he even lived in Boston.
2. Not a single person vouches for the fact that he went to MIT or CalTech. He claimed to name two professors, but no one with those names ever taught at either school. Instead, he named an old high school teacher and an instructor from a local community college. Why couldn't he even name his teachers? I could give you a dozen names 20 years after graduation. He claims to have other witnesses but then says they won't step forward out of fear. 11,000 students at MIT, 2200 at CalTech, and the government intimidated and silenced them all? No classmates, no girlfriend, no drinking buddies? Science is very collaborative. No lab partners? What about roommates? Grad school is expensive. No job? Coworkers? A favourite bartender? Work out, buddy? If you went to school with someone who had a highly publicized Netflix movie about aliens, wouldn't you tell everyone, "Hey, I went to grad school with that nutter!"
3. Lazar's story is that he got the job at area 51 because he bumped into a famous physicist (Ed Teller) one day, and they got to bullshitting about cars. Teller then liked Lazar so much that he hooked him up with the job. Just like that. Reverse engineering alien propulsion systems would be the most advanced technology project in human history, but they gave the job to some guy they met on the street? No intensive FBI / State Department or Navy background check? No multiple rounds of interviews? No aptitude tests? Just "eh, he seems cool. Put him on the spaceship thing."
4. All of his documented work history is in fairly non technical work. He currently runs a chemical supply company and used to have some kind of photo processing business. Why isn't this guy still working in his field? If he figured out how the aliens induce and control gravity waves for interstellar flight, don't you think he'd be doing something technical and advanced now? Wouldn't he be hanging out with Elon Musk conspiring to take over space?
5. I'm not a physicist, so I'm not going to try to unpack what's wrong with gravity wave propulsion. If it sounds legit to you, then go nuts with it.
His proof is bullshit:
1. **A Dept of Naval Intelligence ID badge with his name and picture on it**. It looks like the kind of badge you get at a lot of jobs. No job title listed. It shows that he had business at one of their facilities, but nothing more. It's not disputed that he was at the base. He was there as a subcontractor doing menial work, not as a physicist. I had a badge just like this when I did some work at the airport. That doesn't mean I had access to the flight tower or planes.
2. **A W-2 from 1989 from the Dept of Naval Intelligence**, showing a total annual income of $958.11. That's about $2,000 in today's money. In 1989, a BA in engineering would get you a starting salary of $50K (in today's dollars). He claims to have 2 masters so he would be making more. So, for $2000 in an entire year, how much work did he really do for them?
3. He mentioned element 115 in an interview years ago before it was successfully created in a lab. But it was known at the time that you could theoretically construct higher atomic number elements, so it wasn't inconceivable at all. Currently, element 115 is unstable in all its forms and doesn't have any of the properties Lazar describes. He claims there is a stable isotope of the element and that it is the power source for the UFOs. He also claims to be in possession of it. So why doesn't he produce this revolutionary element with profound energy applications? And why wouldn't the military have taken it back by pretty much any means necessary? If you stole one of their guns, they'd come get it. If you stole this, you'd never see the light of day again.
4. He mentioned a hand scanner security device that identifies you based on the bones in your hand. It's later confirmed that the military used something like this in secure facilities. To me, this is not mind-blowing or convincing of anything. He may have seen or heard about it while at the base or from people off base talking. That doesn't mean he used it or that he actually had access to anything.
That's it. His physical evidence is 2 bits of minutiae from a short-term contracting job that doesn't indicate any special access or privileges. He also claims to be in possession of a revolutionary element but won't produce it.
His story is actually kind of boring. You can tell it's very rooted in the UFO imaginings of the 1960s, and in a lot of ways sounds outdated:
1. It's at area 51. It's pretty conventional, but I guess I have to give him this one because his job there is the strength of his story.
2. The UFOs are lame. They're the classic flying saucer from the 60s, like two hubcaps put back to back. But there's little chairs for the aliens to sit in! No word on bathroom facilities.
3. As Adam Frank put it, "Why do the UFOs have lights on them?" I mean, why?
4. The aliens are the typical greys.
5. The aliens are from Zeta Reticuli and have been secretly helping humanity for the last 10000 years. But for some reason, they suddenly killed 40 guys at the base, then up and bounced. But left 9 spaceships behind for the earthlings to fuck with.
The only thing interesting about Lazar is the success of his stories and the mental gymnastics of his defenders. They say the usual:
1. **The government erased all the evidence of his education in an attempt to discredit him**. The sheer logistics of this makes it improbable. You would have to believe that agents swarmed two elite universities and bullied dozens of professors and staff members into forever denying the existence of a student. Then they went through and altered all the financial records, all the administrative records, the old phone directories, and the academic records, as well as the personal records of his former professors, TAs, and lab assistants, and all with no outcry or opposition? Do you know how academics tend to respond to government coercion? You also have to believe that they reached out to all of his old classmates, friends, and associates - years after graduation - and not only intimidated them into silence, but confiscated any personal property they had confirming Lazar's presence at the schools. I really don't think this would be successful.
2. Lazar's withholding information to protect himself / others. Except that he didn't have any problems bringing friends out to the lake to show them UFOs in the first place. And when asked to name some of his professors he threw out two fake names instead. Why would it endanger someone to say he was enrolled in his physics class? And at this point, what else does he have to lose? He's already 'blown the whistle', how does proof endanger him?
3. **Lazar doesn't want the attention. He doesn't have a reason to lie**. He has a Netflix movie, another documentary on Amazon, an autobiography and an audiobook. He also does paid interviews and speaking engagements at UFO conferences and the like. He's not a recluse. He does it for fame and money, and probably because it's funny.
@@davidjones8043I agree
2:06 I had this exact experience. I've heard the story many times from RUclips recounts which always sound earnest at the very least but then I saw Travis himself talk and my immediate impression was of a Mike Lindell type character so now I think maybe the RUclips community is giving him credibility through their desire to believe and their efforts to recount his story over the years with a more credible veneer.
it's the moustache.
Mike Rogers confessed to Ryan Gordon.
Love your work mate! Thankyou for being you 🙏
Please do a video about Whitley Strieber! I loved the movie Communion with Christopher Walken and when I looked up Whitley Strieber I found lots of weird information about MK-Ultra. I wanted to make a video about it myself just so I could understand it better, but it'd be better if you made one.
HELL YES!! 100% THIS!! YES, PLEASE, THIS 🙏 GREG, PLEASE 🙏!!!❤❤❤❤
Communion started my interest in the possible reality of aliens on Earth. His descriptions of how he didn't remember things till later made me think about Carlos Casteneda's books, how our mind may not allow us to actually s to see or remember things which are either too frightening, or so bizzarre that we can't fit them into our accepted view of reality. But Striber IS a weird dude so that makes me doubt his story.
Whitley Strieber is a failed sci-fi writer whose stories worked better with him in them.
@mikeweber3685 i just really hope greg makes a video about him someday
Love this.
UFO abductees always have this strange complex. Them being SPECIAL.
It does match up with Schizophrenia, however, to play devil's advocate:
Why would the aliens bother abducting people who weren't in some way special? They must have selection criteria.
Thank you!! Finally someone with some critical thinking skills. Regarding the logging contract. Mike Roger’s (who was the contract holder and in charge of the crew) had grossly underbid the contract and was way behind. The crew were going to be charged thousands of dollars per day after the deadline until the job was done. The contract ended the day the “Walton incident” happened. They were released from the contract by the US forestry department.
Now do Bob Lazar!!
Lmao, your critically thinking skillz are way off. You are definitely not a critical thinker. How is somebody gonna be consitant after being abducted by strange beings plus he was traumatized??? Do you know how trama works???? Criticism is for ducks like you people on the sidelines who think they can tell his story without ever being there.... smh
@ ha ok. It’s easy to tell the same lie for decades. Now Mike Rogers has even stated it was all set up. Ufo’ are science fiction.
I had an experience as a kid. I woke up on a cold slab with the feeling of my skin holding me down. It was a dark room that was cold and a big white light above me. When I woke up I was screaming and yelling that I didn't want to die and that I didn't live my life yet that I wanted to have a family and I want to live. I then passed out and when I woke up again I was in my bed with the clothes I fell asleep in on. I was running late for school so I hurried up with brushing my teeth and getting something to eat. I ran to the bus and when I got to school people were making fun of me because one of my socks was in my belt behind me and my foot was missing a sock... I was so afraid I never told anyone because my mom would have had me put in an insane asylum so I didn't tell anyone until I was older. I have seen several UFOs and the United States Government's Antigravity craft on August 30th 2023. Weird things happen to me but I never wanted to write a book and I don't want to go to any UFO conventions because of the fake stuff in those places make people who actually have experiences look crazy. Most UFO folks make money and are previous government officials most likely selling the public that it's all aliens to hide their programs. The current Government Antigravity craft is triangle shaped with lights in the corners and center with red and green navigation lights with strobe lights and a spot light. It's huge and painted gray with the access panels highlighted. Northrop Grumman facilities are the ones most likely building them. They are currently faking bankruptcy probably to help destroy evidence of the program.
Nothing in your story evidences a real abduction, and could easily be explained away by having a dream, and rolling over onto a sock.
Just saying. Idk what happened. Maybe you did get taken. Dunno.
@@LAkadian it happened and I was not dreaming... It's the reason I don't tell anyone... Because you have folks who try to debunk you and degrade you.... The secret is not caring
Thats just a twilight experience, between awake and asleep. Your body protects you by immobilizing your muscles while asleep, so if you slip into awakeness it feels like you are being held down. It's happened to me a handful of times. It can feel nightmarish because your brain can supply a very scary narrative to go along with it. It's a quirk.
@@blackbass4u2cCongrats you were suffering from sleep paralysis and never knew it haha.
@@katkit4281 I know the difference between the two.
It’s a good day when skeptic uploads!
Not looking somebody in the eyes does not mean they are lying. Some people never look others in the eye. However I do not believe this guy for other reasons.
Fire in the sky gave teen me nightmares for a week solid.
I'm a skeptic, but just like Mulder's picture I want to believe. The whole alien thing is fascinating.
I will say, someone's story not changing for 50 years is a green flag, a liar would surely embellish slightly over time imo
It’s proof he’s not a regular civilian lying trying to get attention but it says nothing of whether he is an agent or not
Well, a good liar might know that and act accordingly.
No. If this were true his story would prolly alter slightly and have additional facts added or left out over time
Y'all are so easy to fool 😂@@kersh1735
The opposite is actually true. A liar’s story tends to not change because they are remembering a story they created themselves rather than actual events.
I seen a couple of videos where it was claimed to be a hoax. They said there was a tower that was camouflage to look like a space ship. In these videos, Mike Rogers, Dwayne Walton, Travis Walton, the guy in the tower and Travis Walton's mother was all in on it. The rest of the crew didn't know anything about this hoax, hence the real fright.
Remember, remember the 5th of November.
Another fake false flag perpetrated by the same people.... Just like anything you seriously dig into and keep an open mind, don't assume you know anything, things quickly don't make sense or add up. Always ask yourself who would benefit or who did benefit from said incident. Many times it's not who its made out to be, it's some Patsy put forth as the perpetrators. Guy Fawkes was most certainly a Patsy! 36 barrels of gunpowder isn't something anyone could get... Basically every narrative we've been told since Santa Claus was fairy tales.
How 7 people fit in 1 truck. Was Travis in bed?
Dual cab work trucks in the 70's had bench seats front and back
We'd fit 10 or 15 in one when I was a kid. We'd hold on for dear life while getting hit in the face with bugs. Lol
Sixty miles an hour or more. Smh
Not my kid now! Lol
Very common with contractors doing work. I’ve seen much more than 7 just in the bed of a truck riding to a job site.
Somebody’s never been broke
@@fancycrafts7774if it wasn't for us riding in the bed of my aunt's old truck, we'd never visited family out of town!
Good to see you seem to be doing well brother…be safe and keep dem vids comin yeh!!
you are the greatest content creator of all time. Congratulations on being the only creator I have seen with a fact check on their 30 minute long video essay! I will follow until the mother comes to liberate us all!
Glad to see you uploading, brother. Hope you're well. Great video!
Or maybe he was just figity during the polygraph test because he was recalling a traumatic experience that was still fresh in his mind
Yep obviously.... but a skeptic will lie about everything harder than the hoaxer.
yeah fr
I don't feel like he is lying. It's an opinion. Opinions aren't lies
How much money has he made off this crap
@@StratosZeroK a lot tried to make more on the moment of truth.
Thats what jealous people are asking. And because of questions like this many people are afraid to speak about their experiences. Cause there will always be people like you who says they do it for money.
Greg, I'm a excited about this, but how are you doing?
A polygraph can detect neither lies nor truth, their only purpose is intimidation. The machine is meant to scare guilty people into confessing, or at least make them extremely nervous about lying, and the "results" are based entirely on the subjective opinion of the interrogator. Not even remotely scientific.
The man who invented it said they were bullshit and to quit using them.
Right glance parcel truth left glance a lie upward glance a memory.
Say what????
I think IF any of these "alien" stories are true, Its because in the far future we actually invent backwards time travel and ARE actually studying ancient humans
Backwards time travel is almost certainly impossible so that's very unlikely.
Fun fact, leading with the polygraph tests is something of a deceptive tactic in the case of both the believers and skeptics. Leading clues followed by affirmation or dismissal (factual or otherwise) is a top-tier manipulation tactic. Right up there with implanting "memories" via suggestion.
It's actually kinda telling that a lot of the techniques for making storytelling enthralling overlaps with manipulation techniques.
Travis attempted to play a video game, then remembered that he was an alien spacecraft.
skeptic is back! \m/
If he is a liar, then so are all his workmates 🫥
Nope, his co-workers never knew. Find it was Walton and Rogers who created the hoax.
Do you believe all people who believe in magic are liars? Or do you find they are just easily manipulated and fooled? The same is often the case for large scale hoaxes. The power of suggestion in a large crowd is POWERFUL. It’s been proven time and time again, in fact daily, in Vegas and other cities around the world. Deception is easy. People don’t wanna believe they are gullible enough to be fooled so they embrace deception as truth until it’s unavoidable. All it takes is one talented liar to pull off a mass deception.
Thanks for being a part of my morning fam! 🫡♥️
As far as him telling the exact same story for so long, its a lose lose. If the story stays the same then people will say hes not truthful because over decades some small details of the story would change or be added. But if the story changes slightly then poeple would say he's lying.
Excited to see what you have dedicated your time and effort for the sake of our entertainment/information
I respectfully disagree with your assessment (even though at the end you seem to doubt yourself). Snowflake and Heber are small, generally Mormon, towns. This kind of event is so wild, you just can't make it up and get the towns and the feds (c'mon), to go along with the hoax. Not a chance. Those of us from there (Heber) are familiar with the wide open skies (google Mogollon Rim skies) and you do sometimes see strange things. I haven't had a real sighting there but I've legit seen the triangle craft in Phoenix, 15+ years after the Phoenix lights happened. Many people have. That doesn't mean I'm a hoaxer because I've had more than one sighting. Maybe where you live, you don't have them or you can't see them. Idk. Your opinion is your own and I respect it, but you won't convince me the story is untrue. I still believe Travis!
Well, that's 32 minutes of word salad I'll never get back. 😂
I used to really believe this one but now I think most of the men didn't know and Travis hoaxed them too and that's why they passed the polygraph.
I live in Northern AZ! I met Travis Walton's ex girlfriend plus people who knew him and grew up with him! They all said he faked the whole thing K!!!
Polygraphs are a pseudo science.
I've been watching you for a number of years now I love how you've progressed, these kinds of videos really do improve my critical thinking skills. I also have a feeling you'd find the 1994 Ariel School UFO Landing in Zimbabwe kind of interesting. Even if you don't make a video about it or even mention it I think you'd enjoy watching videos and reading about it!
So this is what the male version of vocal fry sounds like
"Fire in the Sky" was terrifying! I, to this day some 25 years later, still get freaked out thinking about the little grey outside the dark window!
Polygraphs can be beaten however its much harder than you think the question is how did so many of his hick friends pass them?
They passed because the questions for the cops polygraph were not on aliens but on if the hurt Travis in some way. Aliens were never brought up because the cops thought it was a hoax to hide what actually happened to him. But Travis has failed every polygraph. In all he took 3 and never passed.
However I think only one other friend was in on the hoax while the rest were just pawns.
Because Travis first hoaxed the men in the truck. It was brilliant cause he created a half dozen guys that honestly saw something and can pass a lie detector for life.
Mike Rogers (the driver) drove them off after Travis was "zapped" by a search light from the Sentry Lookout Tower in the Forest. He then returned them to a different spot to find Travis "missing". They didn't know the area and it was dark so that was smart as now the "UFO" (really a lookout tower you can view online) was gone...along with Travis.
Travis, Mike Rogers and the employee in the lookout tower staged the hoax.
Mike Rogers confessed a couple years ago and you can find the reporting of this and much other details on youtube.
I'm loving the vibe of this new style of scepticism from you. I grew up a skeptic in the same community as you did. OG RUclips empiricism. As I've gotten older I've started to realise there's more validity to some of the more out their theories than I realised.
I'm looking to believe in some of the more goofy shit, but I need to know which goofy shit to believe in. It's great to separate some of the wheat from the chaff.
Ever think he may be Autistic? I know I look the same way when people are talking to me. We aren't lying, just uncomfortable with eye contact.
That being said, I am not a big believer either.
Great channel, watching the Hollywood episode now, I started making long form content on you tube because of your channel.
I wish this video was way longer I love them. Also great thumbnail
Liar in the Sky!
Great video. Keep up the amazing content ❤
Keep up the good work man! I love your content.
Hey greg, great to see you again uploading! Whatever happened to the podcast, if i may ask? I sent a story and you actually read it in i think ep8. Cheers!
Glad to see you doing better
I’ve seen ufos about four times. Twice in my apartment complex and twice on the moon thru my telescope. But before my first time I didn’t believe any of it. Still not sure what the hell I saw.
The UFO was inside your apartment complex?? 😱
@@noahwilliams8996 ufos plural. Bright orbs of light. Came down right above the trees….
@@illmaticnj1991 I thought you said they were in your apartment complex. 🤨
@@noahwilliams8996 ummm there are trees and a field in my complex. I don’t know what u don’t understand
@@illmaticnj1991 There's trees and a field inside the building?
Edit: oh wait, you said complex, not building. :/
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I think many know this, but lie detectors measure skin conductivity; the idea being that you take baseline measurements while they're "at rest", which I think typically includes asking them questions to which you already know the true answer - and then, when you move onto the "real" questions, you look for changes that indicate raised stress, which is the sign of a lie. As for how his fidgeting with his leg might have been him trying to cheat the test: My guess is he was trying to create signs of stress in his body while the baseline was being established so his later lie-stress would seem more "normal". I'm pretty sure that's roughly how it works anyway lol.
But yeah, I think following that line of reasoning, it's not hard to see why they're not thought to be the greatest forms of evidence. There's a lot that can alter someone's state, and idk about you, but if I had one of these tests, I'd start getting extra stressed as soon as I realised that "oh boy, we're moving onto the real questions now....", even if I were being wholly truthful lol
I met his ex girlfriend plus talked to people who grew up with him! He faked the whole thing! Fact!!!
@@why67152 What do you mean? These folk told you he was someone who lied a lot, broadly speaking? He specifically told them that this story was a load of bs?
the first tree was a sapling? but there had been no logging in the area after he was taken? sooooo why was the first tree cut way later? this sieve has a lot of holes in it!
🔥Can't wait
DIDNT SEE THIS POP UP AND IM FULLY SUBSCRIBED
The Hills story could be easily told by saying that they were doused with some form of aerosol LSD, which was very popular in the government and then given suggestions on what they needed to see.
What's strange is you never hear from the other 5 guys who "witnessed" the incident, Walton and Rogers are the only ones ever to talk about.
7:57 sounds like Walter White after his "Tuco abduction"
It's a big hoax
Absolutely
Heard about this story my whole life and with all the corroborating evidence and polygraph tests I just took it at face value. Though after hearing just a single uncut interview with Walton it became painfully obvious that he was being deceptive with all his non-answers and topic shifting.
Rather than being a complete hoax I believe something strange did occur but Walton was given a deal to change details about his story.
I just watched an interview with Mike Rogers, he also talked about other UFO sightings he had. He seemed out of character for how he has been talked about and portrayed. I was led to believe that these men (who were with Travis) were traumatized and didn't like to revisit the experience.
I believe it because I myself saw a UFO, close encounter of the first kind. I was in Cozumel, Mexico on February 14, 2019. I was on a cruise, and the ship docked at the local cruise port. I was walking around taking pictures with my camera, and one of the tourism workers who was dress3d like a Mayan native called me over. A bunch of these character actors were staring up at this UFO that was hovering around in broad daylight, hundreds, maybe thousands of feet up in the air. This was aroun 11:30, noonish. I took a pic of the UFO and the small group of people who were looking up at it.
And then you all fired up another bowl of Mexico's finest.
Whenever anyone brings up a claimant having passed or failed a polygraph, I just like to remember that there's a reason they're not admissible in court.
Setting aside counter measures, the best of which seems to be simply being well-rested and relaxed, they're fraught with error. The "discomfort response" with lying is uneven; have you ever heard a version of "tell a lie enough times, and you'll start to believe it"? Same thing, rehearse it enough and you become comfortable with it. So coming back with a new, passed polygraph after failing one is indicative of re-rehearsing the story as much as anything else.
And I'll just add this; Gary Ridgeway (aka The Green River Killer) passed a polygraph test, leading then-Detective (later King County Sheriff, Congressman, and currently Gubernatorial candidate) Dave Reichert to put him down the list of suspects. That test was in 1984, he wasn't arrested on DNA evidence until 2001.
Saying that Walton and his crew passed/failed polygraph tests is like saying that they passed/failed a divining ritual. Also, I think it was a hoax by Walton played on the crew.
Yea fire in the sky scared me as a kid too
Who would call out bloodhounds to find someone missing if they've rented?
Would 6 loggers not be concerned about being thought crazy and lose their jobs?
That movie goes from zero to what the fuck in like one second lol
He also failed a polygraph on "The Moment of Truth" show - video's on YT.
He failed two polygraph tests.
@@dindjarin7185 Indeed , he failed his first set by now defunct UFO group 'Ground Saucer Watch' for the National Enquirer.
Hey Armoured skeptic I’ve commented on your videos before telling a story how I saw a glowing light and I have a new story. On December 6 2022 at 6:35pm at night I was walking my dog with my gf after dinner on a clear crisp night. I live in the country of S. FL it’s basically the middle of no where and sometimes the military jets do aerial fly overs during the day. So that evening while walking the dog we heard a loud noise of a helicopter and it got louder and louder! My girlfriend was concerned it was so loud then we looked up and saw something shocking. Suddenly about two stories high in the sky there were two military helicopters above us traveling South. But between the two helicopters right in front of us was a silver circular disc shaped craft. The helicopters had flashing lights that reflected off the craft it had 3 lights in a triangle shape it looked as though the military was escorting it. “That’s a UFO” I said pointing my gf was speechless 😶. (Which is rare). Idk if what I saw was extraterrestrial or our own technology but it was startling and between the altitude/slow speed it looked bizarre. Thanks man that’s my story. 🛸
This video series is just fun.
I've heard of Betty and Barney Hill, not this one, though. I will say though that I've met many country people who weren't UFO enthusiasts but will still speak of seeing lights regularly while hunting or whatever.
I’m so happy you’re back to making inconsistent content. Your videos are always a fanciful escape from reality. I would like to know that I movement down into the left has been studied as memory recall. This doesn’t mean he’s not full of shit, but a train deceiver would knowthat down into the left his memory up into the right is bullshit. Keep up the good work with the great content.
Fire in the sky? Wouldn't that be the sun?
Haven’t seen this channel in a few years🎉
from the first 2 points you are making you have watched the movie and not any of the 10s or 100s of interviews he has gives wich have been consistent and contredicts the movie wich he has stated is strongly hollywoodified. I would suggest looking into a few of his clips old and new.
I always felt like they got high and drunk there was some kind of accident or altercation and they ditched him in the woods out of fear of jail. They were probably all shocked when he showed back up and couldn't remember what happened.