You could chalk on up for hammocks in the setup category for when it's pouring down rain. You can set up a tarp first and stay high and dry to set up your hammock while your tent is gonna be wet and soggy.
A hammock is a shelter and a sleep s system. I'm supplementing my hammock system with a tent so I can camp in areas without trees, like you said. I quickly realized that you can't evaluate a tent setup without including your sleep system. This includes weight, cost, comfort. When you count weight you have to include the weight of your sleep system. When you count cost you have to include the cost of your sleep system.
I've got a $30 hammock and it's the comfiest sleep I've ever had. Got into hammock camping last year and I was instantly hooked. It's like cowboy camping but out of reach of the creepy crawlies.
Considering set-up: you failed to mention that with the tent, you have to clear the area of stones, twigs, and other debris besides finding the level area. If you are hammock camping, you are of course going in an area with trees. And there are many configurations for the tarp to "tent camp" if you have to go to ground. I give set up to the hammock.
I've been a tent camper up until about 2-3 years ago when I went to hammock camping. My initial hammock setup cost me less than $80 for everything I needed. If I get my hang just right, even my $10 hammock is super comfy. I doubt I'll ever go back to a tent.
Not to mention the fact that with the hammock and tarp you have a full-height stand-up shelter from the elements. Try that in a tent. By the way, I have both a Lashan 2-person tent and a Hammock Gear set-up, and use whichever one is most appropriate for the area where I'm camping. But in every case I would choose the hammock over the tent unless there are no trees. Soggy ground? No problem. Rocks, roots, debris, slopes, critters? No problem. Plus, I hate having to crawl in and out of the tent on my hands and knees. I often take my hammock on day hikes, set it up (takes only a couple minutes), kick back and eat a snack while comfortably reclining in the glorious softness of the hammock. Then, after half an hour or so, I pack it all up (takes only a few minutes) and continue my hike. I would never do that with a tent because the tent isn't comfortable enough to justify the effort. Plus, when it's all said and done, the only thing that touches the ground is my Tyvek piece below the hammock. No dirt and mud to pack into my backpack. Just my input.
Your videos are so good!! Awesome job in this, dude 🔥 I like both setups at different times. Going to take the bridge hammock this weekend and use a pad. Let’s go
I feel like a cheap tent can sometimes be poor at dealing with condensation and cause your sleeping bag or quilt to get wet; usually the foot box. If you're system is down, you've got to dry it out or night number two, three, and so on will be cold. But, yeah, good thoughts on the subject.
I use a Hammock. One thing you didn't mention was the fact that using a hammock means bringing a tarp that can double as a tent if needed. If I get to a place where there are no trees or the trees are not distanced just right...then I can use my tarp to make a tent.
Don’t forget a hammock makes the most comfortable camp chair. I usually disperse camp out of my 4Runner while off roading in local National Forests. Hammock camping is my favorite. One tree and my 4Runner is all I need. Watching the sun set or rise from a hammock while your tarp is in porch mode is awesome!
I can setup my hammocks in half the time of any of my tents because I pre-set them with double end stuff sacks and snake skins for tarp that are easily adjustable. I don't agree that tents are quicker if you take the time to dial in your hammock setup. Having said that, I do switch up between tent and hammock based on trip, trail, weather, etc.
Thank you again. Seems like most of your viewers agree with you and enjoy the hammock. I am starting with hammock that was given to me. Happy trails to us.
I find the beauty of the different shelter/sleep systems is that we have so many options that may suit each hiker's individual needs. No one person has the same exact needs as another. Personally, I enjoy the versatility of bringing a tent and a light 1p siltarp to set up at camp to shade or cover during hot or inclement weather. Why I love tents specifically, is that they provide a little private mobile home to sprawl out, they are simple to use/set up, and they are more versatile in different environments (i.e. deserts with no trees).
Diehard hammock user here. I've been using a Hennessey Asym for over 10 years now on canoe trips I go on with a group of fishing buddies. There's two things I think you did not consider fairly. A Hammock that is built as a complete system like a Hennessey is super easy to set up. In the pouring down rain situation it can be put up without hardly a drop getting inside. Also when comparing weight you should also include all the extra items you need to bring in order to make sleeping on the ground "bearable". Out of my love for hammocks I recently purchased a Trillium Stingray. But that's a whole other deal. It sleeps up to 3, easy to set up as a tent or single person hammock and can be set up on the ground if necessary. Only down side is the ratchet system it requires adds a lot of weight. My Stingray weighs in at 26 lbs not including the poles and stakes for on ground setup.
I’ve always tent camped but am wanting to get into hammock camping. Got my daughter a hammock set up for Christmas. I’m trying to decide between a gathered end hammock and a bridge hammock.
I’m really debating what to do here. My tent that I normally use got trashed due to bad weather and now I’m stuck looking for another one but then I came across this video and am seeing a lot of benefits to the hammock. Mainly the comfort and miscellaneous use portion. Could you possibly guide me towards a good company and just share some advice?
Three companies to check out: Dutchware Gear, Hammock Gear, and Dream Hammock. All three are great companies, and they'll steer you in the right direction.
I see you have a Darien from Dream Hammock. Which material did you use or better yet any source about the various materials the hammock manufactures use?
Great shakedown. All valid points, I love my hammock, but can’t argue with a tent. I use a hammock when solo, but if I camp with my sons, tent hands down. Much easier to setup over 3 hammocks plus you can share the weight. I bought my boys hammocks for this summer. Also, I find a tent to be warmer in the winter, just holds more heat. Looks like you have a great channel, definitely subscribed!
Great video! Thanks for being as unbiased as possible. I'm interested in trying hammocks now. I have my Zpacks Duplex which works great and is light but the idea of not being on the ground here in Texas where we have lots of hogs and snakes is attractive. Any one have suggestions or favorite beginner-ish hammock set up? I'm willing to spend $on mid-grade gear, not top of the line since I'm not sure if hammock will be my primary
Great breakdown and analysis. I am primarily a tent-guy, but I'll make an observation in favor of hammock users. The primary use of both items is sleeping. If you do not plan to spend the night, you will not bring either. Hammocks give a superior sleep. Period. So if you weight the categories based on the importance.... it is a bit closer perhaps. I will also add that since I have used a hammock, I have found the importance and versatility of a good light dyneema tarp, and sometimes bring it with my tent. If the ground and trees allow, I get an awesome front porch for my tent and a gathering spot out of the rain or Sun.
Good comparison, John. When I’m not sure I’ll have trees, I use a tent. When I know I have trees, I use a hammock. And the winner is, in my humble opinion - a good night’s sleep. For me, that’s when I’m using my hammock. That carries the most weight for me, far outweighing the negative points of a hammock. But it’s just an individual choice and tents probably still far outsell hammocks. Thanks for the comparison!
@@john_kelley Several posters on /r/ultralight on reddit claimed it ripped in the field. I also saw the strength testing videos they made and was impressed, but it seems it has another failure mode.
Spot-on comparison, buddy. If you look at it overall, tents really do win in all categories except comfort. And, for me, an amazing night's sleep in a hammock with no pressure points after a hard day of hiking wins out every time. I'll take that extra 30 minutes to get it set up because it's worth it. But, I do have to say I like the aspects of privacy and gear storage with a tent that you just can't get in a hammock. I think I'll be mixing it up a bit this summer and doing both.
There’s no one consistent way that anyone sleeps in a hammock or a tent. In a hammock, you’ve got underquilts, top quilts, some use pads. In a tent, there’s sleeping bags, closed cell foam pads, inflatable pads, some people just sleep on the ground. Sleep systems are so personal, there’s no way to include them in this and have a consistent method to base it off of.
@@john_kelley thanks for the reply. Not a backpacker more a bush crafter so always use hammock or raised bed and my sleep system is just merrio wool long johns and wool blanket burrito wrapped. never been cold even in subzero so not sure if that would work for backpacking. I am thinking want to try a walk thru of atc maybe as a celebration that I can still walk as was told that be in wheel chair for rest of my life by time reached age of 40 and am 55 five and still able to walk. I know it would take me about 9 months to do it but what a celebration that would be :)
I own a Dream hammock Raven and a Zpak duplex. I just can’t seem to sleep more then an hour in the hammock. I can relax for hours and it’s very comfortable in the hammock. Should I try a asymmetrical before I give up?
There are so many facets to hammock camping. It could be the asym lay, it could be the angle of the suspension, or it could be the way you’re laying in it. I know the Raven is a great hammock. Maybe check out bridge hammocks.
My point for Ease of Setup" goes to the hammock. I can have my hammock and tarp up and ready in half the time it takes me to layout and rig up a tent. Same thing with breaking down camp.
What is it about a hammock that is improved for sleep quality by spending more? I've slept in pretty comfortably hammocks for less than $40. But I also combine that with comfy blankets.
I found myself dealing with calf ridge, lack of a quality bug net that could take a beating, and fabric that breathed really well. Also, the less expensive hammock tend to be heavier.
Have to disagree this time! You missed a few. Protection from the elements if it's cold The hammock puts you in a cozy coccoon. Where that drafty tent is going to freeze you out on that cold hard ground. If it's raining , done right, you and your stuff is high and dry with plenty of room under your 10x10 or larger tarp in porch mode or pulled down in storm mode. That tent is on the ground with the mud and the puddles in your 4x6 little rectangle with all your stuff (remember you have a water resistant not waterproof bathtub floor which thru hikers find out real quick), rubbing your head against a cold damp piece of cloth. My set up ways less than 1.75 lbs and cost a little under $100 for the ultra lite hammock and suspension and $30 for a nylon tarp that I love. If your handy you can make it yourself for less. Otherwise I have a polysil($35) that weighs in at almost half what the nylon one does to bring it in at just over a lb. Hammocks win where it counts as a all around great protection from the elements with the ability to cook and have room if your stuck because of weather. High and dry, hands down, a hammock wins with protection. Throw in comfort and hot coffee you didn't have to fight the vestibule for, there's no contest. Did I mention only 4 pegs not 7 or 8? And between you me and the fence post, I'm not going where I need to worry about who's looking. No trees, oh well, I can always put my tarp into tent mode!
The thing I have discovered is if you carry the kit for a hammock and you can't find a place to hang the hammock you can use the tarp and set up a shelter on the ground. If you have a tent you are stuck to the ground. I carry a poncho and use it to change my clothes under. I do this also if I have a tent because I don't like changing my clothes laying on my back in a tight space. If am using the hammock I can use the poncho to cover my gear.
I think its largely terrain dependent yes? I live in a swampy region. The ground in the forests, especially during rain, can turn to mud and flood in some areas so for me the hammock is my preference, until they invent a swamp/flood proof ultralight tent.
Nice little showdown ;-) I use both and it depends on the trail which system I take with me. Every system has its advantages so I'm glad to have the possibility to choose.
@@john_kelley But I can tell you ... it is getting really hard having too many options ... trekking pole tent, free standing tent, semifree standing tent, one person or two person tent, hammock with or without bugnet, tarp with or without doors ... ... and on nearly every trip with a hammock I find the dream tent spot and with the tent there are the most epic hammock campsites ;-))))
Got my first hammock and will be trying it for the first time this year(never used one before lol) always used a tent. Live in Newhampsire so, really cold out lol
I haven’t had a lot of experiences backpacking but I’ve done enough camper and tent camping. Recently started backpacking. Started with tent. HAD to get a hammock with all the hype. Need more time in the hammock and love everything you love about them. Didn’t think the numbers were going to reflect the way they did. Love the channel and the podcast. 😃✌️
Overnighting where weight doesn't matter so much. Hammock... Multiday backpacking trips where I plan to cover miles. Tent... The weight and bag space also plays into your sleep system where you need a quilt and an under quilt on a hammock. I like them both. I will say, I do sleep much much better in a hammock.
Don't knock the cheap hammocks on Amazon. There are a lot of junk, but there are some good ones out there. My first two camping hammocks from Amazon were under $20 each. I splurged the last time and picked up a Ridge Outdoors Pinnacle 360 for about $65. (Note, my multiple hammock purchases were because I wanted to try a different feature(s). My first $13 gathered end hammock is still in great shape.)
There is an argument to he made for hammocks on setup, and that's setting up in the rain. Being able to put up the fly first gives you a covered area to hang your hammock and set up your space. And for cost, to get lighter than a hammock the tent cost is going to match or exceed the hammock cost. A ZPacks duplex costs more than any cottage hammock and DCF tarp combo. I think there's a layer to comparing that involves cost, because while hammocks cost more than budget tents, most backpackers are not going to stick with budget tents. Comparable products come at a higher price. You can get an REI Coop tent for $125 - $200, but that's an entry level budget. Suggestion: it may be interesting to run this comparison again, but establish 2 or 3 price points. Show how an entry budget hammock setup compares to a comparably priced tent setup. Do mid level and high end too. I think that may be a little closer than this initial comparison. Edit: I'd be happy to show my tent and hammock setups and costs to use if you want some outside input for a more robust comparison. That might be interesting too, to see what subscribers are using and how those setups compare (probably a lit of similarities).
Good comparison. Both have their place and specialties/advantages for campers , both have disadvantages. I have 2 tents and 7 hammocks so you know where I stand. When going with tent campers I let the guys pitch theirs where ever they can , then I hang my hammock. I don't need dry ground , flat ground , root free ground , only 2 items to hang from. I've had critters walk under my hammock , snakes slither past , bugs of all types pass by and not a single one managed to crawl in the hammock with me , unlike a open ( unzipped ) tent. The major benefit for myself is the 360 degree ventilation of a Hammock. Here in Florida tents become sweat lodges for most of the year. Been hammock camping for over 60 years. If in mosquito county get a double bottom hammock with a attached bug net , the bug's can't bite threw a double bottom.
I'm on the fence here. I converted to hammocks and found the Winter12 from RSBTR for privacy and made my own hammock from 4 yards material. Because I made both, they come in at 30oz at a total cost in under $130. I doubt you can tent that light at that price. That said, I use a pad instead of an underquilt in case I need to go to the ground. My tarp is VERY tent like and I can take everything down in the rain without getting wet. Think I'm staying hammock.
i use OneTigris Smokey HUT Ultralight Hot Tent, Weighs 2.6Ib, Black Orca with a ridgeline, ditch the center pole for more room, weight, and replace the stakes with lighter aluminum pegs. combined with a 10x10 Aqua Quest Safari Tarp to give me a dry area/porch area over and in front of the tent. its a more to set up but getting that tarp up first helps me stay dry while setting up the tent. i use a tyveck ground sheet to save weight and space. a few down sides is condensation (since it one walled), bugs have been a slight problem when summer is around so you notice when you forget the bug spray or ta use it, and its not free standing. its not the end all of be all but the set up i use it for now is good im not thru hiking and usually im in areas with lots of tree and dead fall for a tripod set up.
Tents tend to collect water from condensation, tears, and can sometimes even be flooded out in heavy storms. Most tents still need a ground cloth and a steep hill will slowly cause you to relocate. A proper hammock setup will keep you level and dry. Granted, an improper setup for a tent or hammock will leave you soaked! If you use a large enough tarp, then you can use that tarp as a tent should you be in an area with limited trees. It’s not ideal, but it can work. Tarps are versatile enough without requiring a hammock. Hammocks also make the most comfortable chairs to lounge in. 😎
I've never been able to get comfortable in a hammock. I've tried Dream Hammock and Dutchware Gear. Both are great however I always get sore from sleeping in a hammock. Big Agnes sleeping pads are as comfortable as my bed at home and I sleep really well. I just thought I would mention this because people always say hammocks are more comfortable but they don't work for everyone.
Great showdown! I agree with most of your points. There are some tents that have their version of 'porch mode' but they're going to be heavier. I have the same issue with comfort and getting a good night's sleep but haven't taken the hammock plunge b/c I've never been able to sleep in a premium one that has great support. I'm a side and stomach sleeper and I've heard it can work for those sleepers but I'm still skeptical. The other point is they're prob both 4 parts if you include the footprint on a tent.
A factor that wasn't included is the sleeping pad for a tent. If your are on the ground you will use a pad and that is added weight and cost the hammock doesn't need.
That was intentionally left out for the sleeping pad vs underquilt argument. Based on what you’re willing to pay, they could weigh the same or one could weigh more than the other. Either way, I decided to leave those out on purpose.
There are so many variables in this that it comes down to personal needs. I will ALWAYS go hammock as my first choice. I will use a tent if i need to. As far as sleep quality, hammock wins EVERY time. If you don't care about comfort and quality of sleep, look at other factors. Go with what works for you. For me that is amost always hammock!
@@john_kelley I didn’t know there was suck thing as a true winter hammoc till you gave me that knowledge I like your channel bro keep up the great work!
Hey john, there is a hammock ive got coming now thats $64 on amazon, saw a youtber who does a lot of hammock camping go over it and it seems to have most of the features of much more expensive hammocks at a fraction of the price, seems to be a super good budget option so it competes with that low cost price point of tents, also something neat i have seen with a hammock that is rarely talked about is you can set up the tarp with trecking poles in an A frame, if it has doors completely close it in, then set up the hammock on one of those really thin mats that usually go under your sleeping pad and have it so the bug net is suspended but the bottom is just laying flat on that pad and now you essentially have a double wall tent
Side sleeper so limited hammock options. I own the AMOK system, which is basically the lazyboy of hammocking, but damn heavy system to haul... I usually throw Zpack Altaplex in as an option when I don't know the trail...
This is interesting stuff to consider, and you do a good job off showing the pros and cons. Categories won doesn’t tell the whole story though. Some categories are more important to certain people, or even to certain locations. Someone with a bad back might be able to camp in a hammock, but not a tent, or vice versa. If you do most of your trips where there aren’t many trees, a hammock doesn’t make much sense. I’m a tent camper, because I backpack with my 10 yo, and separate accommodations aren’t happening for a few more years. It doesn’t really matter which I prefer right now.
My son is going from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts in a few weeks. On the plus side, I’ll probably get to go on a lot more trips. On the down side, they will ALL be with kids. 😉
I am that tent camper with a bad back. Every hammock convert always insists that I'd sleep better in a hammock, but I can't even just hang out for a few minutes in one; the curve absolutely murders me. Yes, even lying diagonally. My spine's in more bits than Stephen King's bibliography (I was actually paralysed for a while, & still use a wheelchair part-time, when it's bad), & even a double-dose of my prescription painkillers + a sip of nitrous oxide can't make it bearable. Gotta have that firm support of nice, flat ground under my pad - & I just use a really, really _good_ one.
Great breakdown John. I think at the end of the day, it's such a personal and situational choice. I've used both tents and hammocks, and my personal preference is a tent for 2 main reasons. A lot of the hiking I do is in sub-Alpine terrain where there really isn't much in the way of trees to support a hammock. The other reason is I just sleep better in a tent. There's a lot of people that hike in heavily treed areas, and are able to get extremely comfortable in their hammocks, and that's great. These comparison videos are always interesting, but in the end, it's a very personal and situational issue!
There are tents for multiple people (which reduces the weight per person even more). There are just a few hammock models that really work for two people. There are hammock builds in addition to gathered-end hammocks like bridge hammocks or 90° hammocks you can also choose from. I personally can't see a huge difference in the comfort. I have good and bad nights in both of them.
So when it comes to where to put gear. I made a gear hanger. That I put all my stuff on and it’s not on the ground. I still need trees and depending on the the size and angle I can make my tarp will depend on if my gear is covered or not. I haven’t fully mastered placement when it comes to hanging the gear hanger under the tarp and hammock but i hope I can. I’m more of a hammock camper, unless it’s a date thing then yeah bring out the tent. You did miss one thing. Which I believe is required for a hammock and that’s a underquilt, night drafts suck, yeah sleeping pads are eh, but to completely be comfortable, underquilt and those aren’t cheap lol. Or Atleast good. However when it comes to customizing the hammock gear you could make your own underquilt, which I plan on trying soon, which could save tons of money and could actually be better when it comes to weight and gear size. Or Atleast in my opinion. Hammock camping takes in more thought and more study on the area you’re gonna be hiking/camping at, however it’s more convenient when you’re in the mountains with trees, rocky or crazy terrain. Anyways great video man. It hurts but you’re right tents wins. But hammock camping is still funnier lol. Plus you have better view on your surroundings which is important to me. ✌🏿
Great stuff! There’s a reason I didn’t put the underquilt in this. That’s your sleep system. Totally different issue all together. Because some use pads, and others use underquilts, that would make make for a video all its own.
There are a lot of benefits for a tent. I will counter set up time for a hammock. With some pre work you can get your hammock setup time down substantially. Also not needing to kneel down with a hammock is a big advantage. The knees take suck a beating in a tent when you get older. As far as gear storage, you can use a ridge line organizer, if you have a ridge line on your hammock or tarp. I also use a dry bag to store gear by my hammock so it is dry. I will agree with you on the tent with the exception I prefer a hammock. Temp control and quality of sleep trump the benefits of the tent. I weight these differently.
Well done John! I take it trip-by-trip. If I’m trying to slam miles I go tent. If I’m going to be hanging around camp a bunch I pack a hammock. I also adjust the decision on the temperature...I prefer tents in the winter and hammocks in the summer. I hope you knee is healing well. The DBT guys might have some OSU swag for you if we ever run into you at RRG. 😉
Hey, You might be right about who the winner is in points. But the points that the hammock gets count for me ten times as much. Plus two / three points extra. I like to look at the stars at night and enjoy my surroundings during the day when I SIT in my hammock, so I don't have to bring a chair. Also on the hotter days and nights, especially when it rains (tent has to be closed soon) it is much cooler in my hammock. A tent will never be a winner for me. Happy Hang‼️
It's really hard to do a hammock vs tent discussion without including the sleep pad which then pulls in a discussion of underquilts. If you ONLY had a tent and no sleep pad, the hammock would be such a ridiculous winner it would be no comparison (you'd still be cold in both but at least you'd be comfortable in the hammock). Of course a sleep pad also brings an element of insulation below, so then you'd need to talk about underquilts. I can see why you pared the comparison down but those elements are really part of the equation.
I'm to old to sleep on the ground lol 😆 Its the Hammock life for me .but slowly switching my budget gear out for better stuff and a good quality Hammock is gonna be next
Man this was a good one. I never thought about this until I saw this video. Me and my coworker doing are 30 minute break we choose the Hammock before we watch the video! Boy do we take the L with you. I am surprised the the tent win. We are surprised the hammock didn't win. I have both of them and I sleep very well in both of them. You made a good point about space for either a tent or hammock. When I go kayak camping I take both of them so when we get to Camp I'm set up for either one of them. My co-worker bong his hammock one time and our campsite did not have no trees and he had to lay it down on the ground to sleep for the night. He was hurting the next morning. Awesome video man. Me and my coworker enjoy watching this one. My coworker said he definitely learned something on this one.
I've thought about bringing a sleeping pad with me just in case there isn't an option to hang a hammock. You can usually find some sticks or small trees or trekking poles to set up the tarp and then use your hammock quilt and sleeping pad to sleep on the ground.
She uses a tent I use a hammock ..if we want some privacy we go to her place ..if we want to chill out throw back a few and entertain we go to my place...absolutely spot on in your comparison ..when we go out in the back country best of both ..winner winner dehydrated chicken dinner.
Nice video! I used tents for years but wanted to try a hammock. I started with a crappy hammock ( won't bash the company) lol..Then moved to a dutchware chameleon and slept decent. But when I changed to a dutchware banyon bridge it was amazing. Ya a little more weight, but so worth it.
@@john_kelleyif you decide you like it, loco libre makes a underquilt called the Ridge reaper... It's made just for The Ridge runner and the dutchware banyan... Highly recommend.
That was a good comparison John but I think the way you have scored things is a little misleading. You are giving each point an equal weight. As Jon Sanford pointed some things are more important. For me comfort accounts for 70% of my score and privacy 5%. You also have the option of a tent and a tarp since some tarps are very small and light so you can sit out in the rain with friends and stay dry. Good stuff and thanks for the video.
I don't know John. With that new Cloud71 fabric Dutch came out with and Trailheadz claiming their new Poltergeist bugnet hammock in it weighing 7 ozs. Combine that with the DCF standard tarp with door from Hammock Gear at 7.87 ozs. With the suspension, tarp ridgeline, and stakes weight wise you might have Zpacks Duplex beat. Be a tough setup to beat, well if the person using it meets the Cloud71's weigh rating.
I like tents for the living space, the privacy, & the room to manoeuver, dress or respond to an event. I like the greater support for my damaged back that comes from a pad on the ground. I also like having walls, & a door that I can secure with a tiny luggage/journal lock through the zipper-pulls, if I'm feeling a little vulnerable. But my #1 reason why I find tents superior to hammocks is because I'm a big ol' claustrophobe.
I can’t stand hammocks for sleeping. I love them for lounging around camp for base camp setups. I’ll frequently pack in just the hammock with no rain fly. Longer range hikes I won’t bring it though. But for base camps where you’ll be hanging out for a few days and doing short day hikes....having a hammock to go back to for an afternoon nap after lunch is clutch. Haha
We enjoyed this video as usual since you always get us thinking of alternatives to our setup and/or gear. You missed an important item in your comparison. Someone already mentioned a footprint for the tent, but most have a smaller version for the hammock. I would also include a air pad as part of the basic tent package. Adding cost and weight makes those 2 points in your video a draw.
In my opinion.... Cost - Probably about equal. There are plenty of cheap backpacking tents and plenty of cheap hammocks out there. If you know what features are needed for a hammock for a good sleep you can get one very cheap for around $20. I also picked up a hammock for $13 that I sleep very well in. It's plenty wide enough that I can get a good flat diagonal lay. For a couple of bucks I added a ridgeline and can get a good consistent hang. Setup - I would say a draw. Once you are familiar with your hammock/tarp setup you can do it quickly and easily. Same with a tent. Finding a spot: Can't always find a good flat spot big enough for a tent, Can't always find two trees big enough or small enough that has the proper distance between them to hang a hammock. Comfort: That's why I switched to hammock camping. It's also why I'm considering a backpacking cot for when I camp where I know a hammock will not work. Weight: Hammock & tarp materials are getting lighter. You can cut a lot of weight by using tree huggers and light weight cordage for the suspension. The cheaper tents are probably on par weight wise with the cheaper hammocks and tarps (including the low cost cottage industry options) Customization: I agree with you on the hammocks. It's also how you can get the weight down on the hammocks too Room for gear: You almost need a two person tent most of the time to have room for your gear. With the hammock you have your ridge line organizer, peak shelves (I cheat and use a stuff sack hanging from the ridgeline attached at the top and bottom of the sack.) I also have a backpacking spike table and a backpacking chair that I put next to the hammock to keep things that I want within reach. I also keep an extra shirt or bottoms between the hammock and under quilt with in easy reach if I need it during the night. Misc use: If you use a ridge line under the tarp, you can clip your hammock up out of the way to the ridgeline to give you more space to sit under the tarp. Or loosely wrap the hammock over it's ridge line to have it up and out of the way. If you are solo camping, the hammock works as a great chair. If it's nice out, flip the tarp back and use the hammock as a lounger. I realize you can take the rainfly off a tent and lounge that way too, but would it be as comfortable as a hammock? Probably not. Overall, I think the tent would probably still win, but I think it should have been a much closer scoring. Also, the comfort factor and my lack of ability to get up and down off the ground easily makes the hammock a clear winner for me. All in all, another great video.
Oh, you should also consider what is needed for a sleep system. You can use the same sleep pad and bag that you would use in a tent for a hammock but most will probably use a top quilt and an underquilt so if you hammock camp you are essentially bringing two sleeping bags.
I don't know about the "ease of setup" thing... Granted I know it's different for each hammock, but mine has two slip-sloop wide-strap tree straps, bug netting with built in guy-lines, and a silly-lightweight large rainfly. Also, my hammock and all items cost a fraction of a good quality tent (one big point to hammocks, if youre an exponentially tall guy, I'm 6'6", a "lightweight tent" I can fit in, does not exist lol, it's 3 man or tent I'm rubbing the top and bottom haha) Takes me 2 minutes flat and I haven't practiced much. I will hand it to the tent though, it's a helluva lot easier to sleep with a partner in a tent
@@cloud_monkey422 cheap, locally available for me in cabelas "Grand Trunk" NZD made (Iirc) mines the "double trunk" I paid 60 bucks Canadian. 8 ft long, comfy material, strong enough to hold my 300 lb best friend. Trunk straps from the same company, 30 bucks and I've pulled a stuck car with them once, very tough. I also have their mosquito net, cost another 60 bucks extra but has built in Ridgeline and is stupid easy to put up. They do offer a big ol' rainfly system too, it looks nice and I've heard good things, but I'm cheap and just use an old rainfly from a destroyed tent 😂
@@maxman1244 lol thank you man haha I’m cheap also and while not new to hiking, I’m new to camping and trying to find at least a one day shelter before this trip haha
Sleeping in a tent with my Exped mega mat lite lxw destroys any hammock I’ve been in but that’s just how my body feels. I understand not many people want to take a 5” thick sleep pad but it’s only 2.5 pounds and feels like I’m sleeping in the arms of holy gypsies.
Cloud 71 hammock, whoopie slings and dyneema tarp, weight??? getting close to lightest weight tent. Backpacking gear is advancing right before our eyes, enjoyed the video, keep up the good work and hope to see you on the trail on day. OHT is calling you, haha.
Good under quilt sleeping in the winter is awesome look on eBay at the under quilt by Lixada / Stratstone rated at -10 for around £25 - £35 excellent under quilt used in the winter here in the U.K. down to around -5 and toasty with my down sleeping bag left open a used like a quilt. At this price you could get 2 and double them up.
@@grimlightwildoutdoors Thanks for the advice. As an older backpacker/paddler, I have this thing about traditional methods for camping. I love my hammocks. I have multiple. I have multiple under and over quilts, too. I like to hot tent in the winter, and have used different tarp arrangements. I even put a stove jack in two of them. They have not worked as well as a tent. Given that, I appreciate your thoughts, and I applaud your enthusiasm. Enjoy camping in any manner you choose. I da.
My approach-avoid the tent v hammock showdown altogether. LOL. That being said, I agree with many on the "It all depends on who you are and where you want to sleep" approach. Regardless, you did a great job laying out the pros and cons of each side-by-side. **whispers while moon-walking out of the comments** P.S. Tents are better.... *winks*
You could chalk on up for hammocks in the setup category for when it's pouring down rain. You can set up a tarp first and stay high and dry to set up your hammock while your tent is gonna be wet and soggy.
That's true
This isn't an issue with outer-first tents.
A hammock is a shelter and a sleep s system. I'm supplementing my hammock system with a tent so I can camp in areas without trees, like you said. I quickly realized that you can't evaluate a tent setup without including your sleep system. This includes weight, cost, comfort. When you count weight you have to include the weight of your sleep system. When you count cost you have to include the cost of your sleep system.
I've got a $30 hammock and it's the comfiest sleep I've ever had. Got into hammock camping last year and I was instantly hooked. It's like cowboy camping but out of reach of the creepy crawlies.
Considering set-up: you failed to mention that with the tent, you have to clear the area of stones, twigs, and other debris besides finding the level area. If you are hammock camping, you are of course going in an area with trees. And there are many configurations for the tarp to "tent camp" if you have to go to ground. I give set up to the hammock.
I've been a tent camper up until about 2-3 years ago when I went to hammock camping. My initial hammock setup cost me less than $80 for everything I needed. If I get my hang just right, even my $10 hammock is super comfy. I doubt I'll ever go back to a tent.
Can you get tuba solo in a hammock this year?
LOL!...Yikes!
We’ve got to make that happen!
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Not to mention the fact that with the hammock and tarp you have a full-height stand-up shelter from the elements. Try that in a tent. By the way, I have both a Lashan 2-person tent and a Hammock Gear set-up, and use whichever one is most appropriate for the area where I'm camping. But in every case I would choose the hammock over the tent unless there are no trees. Soggy ground? No problem. Rocks, roots, debris, slopes, critters? No problem. Plus, I hate having to crawl in and out of the tent on my hands and knees. I often take my hammock on day hikes, set it up (takes only a couple minutes), kick back and eat a snack while comfortably reclining in the glorious softness of the hammock. Then, after half an hour or so, I pack it all up (takes only a few minutes) and continue my hike. I would never do that with a tent because the tent isn't comfortable enough to justify the effort. Plus, when it's all said and done, the only thing that touches the ground is my Tyvek piece below the hammock. No dirt and mud to pack into my backpack. Just my input.
Great points!
Your videos are so good!! Awesome job in this, dude 🔥 I like both setups at different times. Going to take the bridge hammock this weekend and use a pad. Let’s go
Thanks!! I call next on that hammock!
I feel like a cheap tent can sometimes be poor at dealing with condensation and cause your sleeping bag or quilt to get wet; usually the foot box. If you're system is down, you've got to dry it out or night number two, three, and so on will be cold.
But, yeah, good thoughts on the subject.
I use a Hammock. One thing you didn't mention was the fact that using a hammock means bringing a tarp that can double as a tent if needed. If I get to a place where there are no trees or the trees are not distanced just right...then I can use my tarp to make a tent.
Good point!
Don’t forget a hammock makes the most comfortable camp chair. I usually disperse camp out of my 4Runner while off roading in local National Forests. Hammock camping is my favorite. One tree and my 4Runner is all I need. Watching the sun set or rise from a hammock while your tarp is in porch mode is awesome!
I can setup my hammocks in half the time of any of my tents because I pre-set them with double end stuff sacks and snake skins for tarp that are easily adjustable. I don't agree that tents are quicker if you take the time to dial in your hammock setup. Having said that, I do switch up between tent and hammock based on trip, trail, weather, etc.
I based this on the average person. I know people who can setup their hammock stupid fast and the same for tents.
Thank you again. Seems like most of your viewers agree with you and enjoy the hammock. I am starting with hammock that was given to me. Happy trails to us.
Best of luck! It takes a bit of work to really dial in a hammock, so don't expect it to be perfect the first time.
I find the beauty of the different shelter/sleep systems is that we have so many options that may suit each hiker's individual needs. No one person has the same exact needs as another. Personally, I enjoy the versatility of bringing a tent and a light 1p siltarp to set up at camp to shade or cover during hot or inclement weather. Why I love tents specifically, is that they provide a little private mobile home to sprawl out, they are simple to use/set up, and they are more versatile in different environments (i.e. deserts with no trees).
Nice! I’m seeing more and more people bringing a tarp along with their tent.
Diehard hammock user here. I've been using a Hennessey Asym for over 10 years now on canoe trips I go on with a group of fishing buddies.
There's two things I think you did not consider fairly. A Hammock that is built as a complete system like a Hennessey is super easy to set up. In the pouring down rain situation it can be put up without hardly a drop getting inside. Also when comparing weight you should also include all the extra items you need to bring in order to make sleeping on the ground "bearable".
Out of my love for hammocks I recently purchased a Trillium Stingray. But that's a whole other deal. It sleeps up to 3, easy to set up as a tent or single person hammock and can be set up on the ground if necessary. Only down side is the ratchet system it requires adds a lot of weight. My Stingray weighs in at 26 lbs not including the poles and stakes for on ground setup.
I’ve always tent camped but am wanting to get into hammock camping. Got my daughter a hammock set up for Christmas. I’m trying to decide between a gathered end hammock and a bridge hammock.
Rule of thumb: Bridge hammock for side and tummy sleepers. Gathered end for back and semi side sleepers
What 👆🏻said.
I’ve just bought a Fly Creek 2, have you got any tips n tricks please?
Not really. It’s really easy to setup.
I’m really debating what to do here. My tent that I normally use got trashed due to bad weather and now I’m stuck looking for another one but then I came across this video and am seeing a lot of benefits to the hammock. Mainly the comfort and miscellaneous use portion. Could you possibly guide me towards a good company and just share some advice?
Three companies to check out: Dutchware Gear, Hammock Gear, and Dream Hammock. All three are great companies, and they'll steer you in the right direction.
@@john_kelley that’s awesome. Thanks a lot I truly appreciate it
I see you have a Darien from Dream Hammock. Which material did you use or better yet any source about the various materials the hammock manufactures use?
Check out dreamhammock.com They have all the info there. Not enough room here to type all of it.
I use a tarptent and a sea to summit tarp for additional protection on a rainy day.
Tarptent makes a killer tent.
Great shakedown. All valid points, I love my hammock, but can’t argue with a tent. I use a hammock when solo, but if I camp with my sons, tent hands down. Much easier to setup over 3 hammocks plus you can share the weight. I bought my boys hammocks for this summer. Also, I find a tent to be warmer in the winter, just holds more heat. Looks like you have a great channel, definitely subscribed!
That’s awesome that you take your sons out with you! I love seeing parents passing on their love of the outdoors with their kids.
Great video! Thanks for being as unbiased as possible. I'm interested in trying hammocks now. I have my Zpacks Duplex which works great and is light but the idea of not being on the ground here in Texas where we have lots of hogs and snakes is attractive. Any one have suggestions or favorite beginner-ish hammock set up? I'm willing to spend $on mid-grade gear, not top of the line since I'm not sure if hammock will be my primary
Great breakdown and analysis. I am primarily a tent-guy, but I'll make an observation in favor of hammock users. The primary use of both items is sleeping. If you do not plan to spend the night, you will not bring either. Hammocks give a superior sleep. Period. So if you weight the categories based on the importance.... it is a bit closer perhaps.
I will also add that since I have used a hammock, I have found the importance and versatility of a good light dyneema tarp, and sometimes bring it with my tent. If the ground and trees allow, I get an awesome front porch for my tent and a gathering spot out of the rain or Sun.
Great stuff, Ron!
Good comparison, John. When I’m not sure I’ll have trees, I use a tent. When I know I have trees, I use a hammock. And the winner is, in my humble opinion - a good night’s sleep. For me, that’s when I’m using my hammock. That carries the most weight for me, far outweighing the negative points of a hammock. But it’s just an individual choice and tents probably still far outsell hammocks. Thanks for the comparison!
I’m with you, but you’re right. Tents far outsell hammocks
Which hammock fabric would you go with at 160lbs? Hexon 1.0, Cloud 71, or MTN 1.2? Have heard of a bunch of Cloud 71 failures in the field now
I'm really wanting to try out the cloud 71. What failures have you heard?
@@john_kelley Several posters on /r/ultralight on reddit claimed it ripped in the field. I also saw the strength testing videos they made and was impressed, but it seems it has another failure mode.
If i thru hike the AZT this year, will you guys put me on the popcast?
Ask Jeremiah. LOL
@@john_kelley so, ur sayin there's a chance!!!
Spot-on comparison, buddy. If you look at it overall, tents really do win in all categories except comfort. And, for me, an amazing night's sleep in a hammock with no pressure points after a hard day of hiking wins out every time. I'll take that extra 30 minutes to get it set up because it's worth it. But, I do have to say I like the aspects of privacy and gear storage with a tent that you just can't get in a hammock. I think I'll be mixing it up a bit this summer and doing both.
I may be also.
You forgot one more important category, night pee, point for tent!
Hammock guy here, love your videos! Greetings from Greece :)
😂 good point
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My question is how can you rate hammock to tent without including sleeping? To me, seems with a hammock you have less for sleeping than would in tent?
There’s no one consistent way that anyone sleeps in a hammock or a tent. In a hammock, you’ve got underquilts, top quilts, some use pads. In a tent, there’s sleeping bags, closed cell foam pads, inflatable pads, some people just sleep on the ground. Sleep systems are so personal, there’s no way to include them in this and have a consistent method to base it off of.
@@john_kelley thanks for the reply. Not a backpacker more a bush crafter so always use hammock or raised bed and my sleep system is just merrio wool long johns and wool blanket burrito wrapped. never been cold even in subzero so not sure if that would work for backpacking. I am thinking want to try a walk thru of atc maybe as a celebration that I can still walk as was told that be in wheel chair for rest of my life by time reached age of 40 and am 55 five and still able to walk. I know it would take me about 9 months to do it but what a celebration that would be :)
What an achievement! You should definitely do it, fam.
Great video... I tent camp when backpacking or car camping. I bring a hammock to just hang out in when car camping. Thank you for sharing. Take care.
I own a Dream hammock Raven and a Zpak duplex. I just can’t seem to sleep more then an hour in the hammock. I can relax for hours and it’s very comfortable in the hammock. Should I try a asymmetrical before I give up?
There are so many facets to hammock camping. It could be the asym lay, it could be the angle of the suspension, or it could be the way you’re laying in it. I know the Raven is a great hammock. Maybe check out bridge hammocks.
My point for Ease of Setup" goes to the hammock. I can have my hammock and tarp up and ready in half the time it takes me to layout and rig up a tent. Same thing with breaking down camp.
comes down to COMFORT and GOOD SLEEP. love the hammock. the new lighting and background rocks
Thanks a lot!
What backpacking chair do you recommend for big boys im 6 foot 1 and 280lbs
The Helinox Chair 1 is a great choice.
Helinox Chair One or the Chair One XL (if you have a wide butt)
What is it about a hammock that is improved for sleep quality by spending more?
I've slept in pretty comfortably hammocks for less than $40. But I also combine that with comfy blankets.
I found myself dealing with calf ridge, lack of a quality bug net that could take a beating, and fabric that breathed really well. Also, the less expensive hammock tend to be heavier.
Have to disagree this time!
You missed a few. Protection from the elements if it's cold The hammock puts you in a cozy coccoon. Where that drafty tent is going to freeze you out on that cold hard ground. If it's raining , done right, you and your stuff is high and dry with plenty of room under your 10x10 or larger tarp in porch mode or pulled down in storm mode. That tent is on the ground with the mud and the puddles in your 4x6 little rectangle with all your stuff (remember you have a water resistant not waterproof bathtub floor which thru hikers find out real quick), rubbing your head against a cold damp piece of cloth.
My set up ways less than 1.75 lbs and cost a little under $100 for the ultra lite hammock and suspension and $30 for a nylon tarp that I love. If your handy you can make it yourself for less. Otherwise I have a polysil($35) that weighs in at almost half what the nylon one does to bring it in at just over a lb. Hammocks win where it counts as a all around great protection from the elements with the ability to cook and have room if your stuck because of weather. High and dry, hands down, a hammock wins with protection. Throw in comfort and hot coffee you didn't have to fight the vestibule for, there's no contest. Did I mention only 4 pegs not 7 or 8? And between you me and the fence post, I'm not going where I need to worry about who's looking. No trees, oh well, I can always put my tarp into tent mode!
Detra. If I ever have to go to court, will you represent me? 😂 great stuff!
@@john_kelley sure why not!
The thing I have discovered is if you carry the kit for a hammock and you can't find a place to hang the hammock you can use the tarp and set up a shelter on the ground. If you have a tent you are stuck to the ground. I carry a poncho and use it to change my clothes under. I do this also if I have a tent because I don't like changing my clothes laying on my back in a tight space. If am using the hammock I can use the poncho to cover my gear.
Great stuff!
I think its largely terrain dependent yes? I live in a swampy region. The ground in the forests, especially during rain, can turn to mud and flood in some areas so for me the hammock is my preference, until they invent a swamp/flood proof ultralight tent.
Definitely.
Nice little showdown ;-)
I use both and it depends on the trail which system I take with me.
Every system has its advantages so I'm glad to have the possibility to choose.
Definitely. If I have the option of a choice, it’s my hammock, but there are times when the tent is the better option.
@@john_kelley But I can tell you ... it is getting really hard having too many options ... trekking pole tent, free standing tent, semifree standing tent, one person or two person tent, hammock with or without bugnet, tarp with or without doors ...
... and on nearly every trip with a hammock I find the dream tent spot and with the tent there are the most epic hammock campsites ;-))))
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Got my first hammock and will be trying it for the first time this year(never used one before lol) always used a tent. Live in Newhampsire so, really cold out lol
I haven’t had a lot of experiences backpacking but I’ve done enough camper and tent camping. Recently started backpacking. Started with tent. HAD to get a hammock with all the hype. Need more time in the hammock and love everything you love about them. Didn’t think the numbers were going to reflect the way they did. Love the channel and the podcast. 😃✌️
Thanks, John!
Thumbs up. Thank you for selling the tent. Sometimes I've gotta fight for good trees to hang my hammock
LOL. Always glad to help.
Overnighting where weight doesn't matter so much. Hammock... Multiday backpacking trips where I plan to cover miles. Tent... The weight and bag space also plays into your sleep system where you need a quilt and an under quilt on a hammock. I like them both. I will say, I do sleep much much better in a hammock.
It really just comes down to preference. I know several people who also don’t do longer trips with hammocks.
This was a awesome showdown. I so want to try hammock camping but my budget want allow it. I just bought a new 2.5 pound tent last year.
Nice!
Don't knock the cheap hammocks on Amazon. There are a lot of junk, but there are some good ones out there. My first two camping hammocks from Amazon were under $20 each. I splurged the last time and picked up a Ridge Outdoors Pinnacle 360 for about $65. (Note, my multiple hammock purchases were because I wanted to try a different feature(s). My first $13 gathered end hammock is still in great shape.)
There is an argument to he made for hammocks on setup, and that's setting up in the rain. Being able to put up the fly first gives you a covered area to hang your hammock and set up your space.
And for cost, to get lighter than a hammock the tent cost is going to match or exceed the hammock cost. A ZPacks duplex costs more than any cottage hammock and DCF tarp combo.
I think there's a layer to comparing that involves cost, because while hammocks cost more than budget tents, most backpackers are not going to stick with budget tents. Comparable products come at a higher price. You can get an REI Coop tent for $125 - $200, but that's an entry level budget.
Suggestion: it may be interesting to run this comparison again, but establish 2 or 3 price points. Show how an entry budget hammock setup compares to a comparably priced tent setup. Do mid level and high end too. I think that may be a little closer than this initial comparison.
Edit: I'd be happy to show my tent and hammock setups and costs to use if you want some outside input for a more robust comparison. That might be interesting too, to see what subscribers are using and how those setups compare (probably a lit of similarities).
Ooh yeah! I'd like to see this video!
Good comparison. Both have their place and specialties/advantages for campers , both have disadvantages. I have 2 tents and 7 hammocks so you know where I stand. When going with tent campers I let the guys pitch theirs where ever they can , then I hang my hammock. I don't need dry ground , flat ground , root free ground , only 2 items to hang from. I've had critters walk under my hammock , snakes slither past , bugs of all types pass by and not a single one managed to crawl in the hammock with me , unlike a open ( unzipped ) tent. The major benefit for myself is the 360 degree ventilation of a Hammock. Here in Florida tents become sweat lodges for most of the year. Been hammock camping for over 60 years.
If in mosquito county get a double bottom hammock with a attached bug net , the bug's can't bite threw a double bottom.
I would add ground tarp for tents.
I'm on the fence here. I converted to hammocks and found the Winter12 from RSBTR for privacy and made my own hammock from 4 yards material. Because I made both, they come in at 30oz at a total cost in under $130. I doubt you can tent that light at that price. That said, I use a pad instead of an underquilt in case I need to go to the ground. My tarp is VERY tent like and I can take everything down in the rain without getting wet. Think I'm staying hammock.
That’s really awesome!!!
@@john_kelley The Membrane SilPoly is great for lightweight tarps. But, it's a nightmare to sew (slippery).
i use OneTigris Smokey HUT Ultralight Hot Tent, Weighs 2.6Ib, Black Orca with a ridgeline, ditch the center pole for more room, weight, and replace the stakes with lighter aluminum pegs. combined with a 10x10 Aqua Quest Safari Tarp to give me a dry area/porch area over and in front of the tent. its a more to set up but getting that tarp up first helps me stay dry while setting up the tent. i use a tyveck ground sheet to save weight and space. a few down sides is condensation (since it one walled), bugs have been a slight problem when summer is around so you notice when you forget the bug spray or ta use it, and its not free standing. its not the end all of be all but the set up i use it for now is good im not thru hiking and usually im in areas with lots of tree and dead fall for a tripod set up.
That’s a really interesting setup.
Tents tend to collect water from condensation, tears, and can sometimes even be flooded out in heavy storms. Most tents still need a ground cloth and a steep hill will slowly cause you to relocate. A proper hammock setup will keep you level and dry. Granted, an improper setup for a tent or hammock will leave you soaked! If you use a large enough tarp, then you can use that tarp as a tent should you be in an area with limited trees. It’s not ideal, but it can work. Tarps are versatile enough without requiring a hammock. Hammocks also make the most comfortable chairs to lounge in. 😎
I haven’t gone camping in either yet but I could see a hammock being more useful if you’re going to use it around town or locally
I've never been able to get comfortable in a hammock. I've tried Dream Hammock and Dutchware Gear. Both are great however I always get sore from sleeping in a hammock. Big Agnes sleeping pads are as comfortable as my bed at home and I sleep really well. I just thought I would mention this because people always say hammocks are more comfortable but they don't work for everyone.
Great showdown! I agree with most of your points. There are some tents that have their version of 'porch mode' but they're going to be heavier. I have the same issue with comfort and getting a good night's sleep but haven't taken the hammock plunge b/c I've never been able to sleep in a premium one that has great support. I'm a side and stomach sleeper and I've heard it can work for those sleepers but I'm still skeptical. The other point is they're prob both 4 parts if you include the footprint on a tent.
If you look into bridge hammocks, they might work for you.
A factor that wasn't included is the sleeping pad for a tent. If your are on the ground you will use a pad and that is added weight and cost the hammock doesn't need.
That was intentionally left out for the sleeping pad vs underquilt argument. Based on what you’re willing to pay, they could weigh the same or one could weigh more than the other. Either way, I decided to leave those out on purpose.
@@john_kelley That makes sense. Thanks for the great content.
There are so many variables in this that it comes down to personal needs. I will ALWAYS go hammock as my first choice. I will use a tent if i need to. As far as sleep quality, hammock wins EVERY time. If you don't care about comfort and quality of sleep, look at other factors. Go with what works for you. For me that is amost always hammock!
It sounds like we think a lot alike!
Great video man, just proves the point of “hike your own hike” 👍🏼
Yep. Everyone has their own opinion, and that’s the only one that counts.
I live in the desert where the Lowe’s reach 75 80° at night. 4in of rain a year hammoc suits me better for my climate but everyone hike your own hike!
Those are some warm nights.
@@john_kelley I didn’t know there was suck thing as a true winter hammoc till you gave me that knowledge I like your channel bro keep up the great work!
My research was wrong 50 degrees to 62 degrees is temps for night time
@@Wildboi420 gotcha!
@@Wildboi420 thanks!
Hey john, there is a hammock ive got coming now thats $64 on amazon, saw a youtber who does a lot of hammock camping go over it and it seems to have most of the features of much more expensive hammocks at a fraction of the price, seems to be a super good budget option so it competes with that low cost price point of tents, also something neat i have seen with a hammock that is rarely talked about is you can set up the tarp with trecking poles in an A frame, if it has doors completely close it in, then set up the hammock on one of those really thin mats that usually go under your sleeping pad and have it so the bug net is suspended but the bottom is just laying flat on that pad and now you essentially have a double wall tent
You also didn't count a bug net for the hammock....where do you live again??? :)
The bug net is built into my hammock.
@@john_kelley Fair enough. :) just didn't want you tipping the scales toward the hammock unfairly. LOL
😂 Thanks for looking out.
@@john_kelley Congrats on 5k btw!!!
@@BackcountryPilgrim Thanks!!!
I prefer a hammock, but depending on the terrain, I will use my 3F UL Lanshan 1 Pro. Thanks for the comparison
Great comparison and congrats on the 5k subs bud!
Thanks!!!
Side sleeper so limited hammock options. I own the AMOK system, which is basically the lazyboy of hammocking, but damn heavy system to haul... I usually throw Zpack Altaplex in as an option when I don't know the trail...
The Amok hammocks are pretty sweet, but you’re right, they’re heavy.
This is interesting stuff to consider, and you do a good job off showing the pros and cons. Categories won doesn’t tell the whole story though. Some categories are more important to certain people, or even to certain locations.
Someone with a bad back might be able to camp in a hammock, but not a tent, or vice versa. If you do most of your trips where there aren’t many trees, a hammock doesn’t make much sense. I’m a tent camper, because I backpack with my 10 yo, and separate accommodations aren’t happening for a few more years. It doesn’t really matter which I prefer right now.
Great points. I'll be taking my daughter out for a couple camping trips this year and a tent will definitely be the only option.
@@john_kelley Yep, just started talking my girls to the red this year. Tent is the only way!
My son is going from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts in a few weeks. On the plus side, I’ll probably get to go on a lot more trips. On the down side, they will ALL be with kids. 😉
😂😂😂 I’m really hoping my son is interested in scouts.
I am that tent camper with a bad back. Every hammock convert always insists that I'd sleep better in a hammock, but I can't even just hang out for a few minutes in one; the curve absolutely murders me. Yes, even lying diagonally.
My spine's in more bits than Stephen King's bibliography (I was actually paralysed for a while, & still use a wheelchair part-time, when it's bad), & even a double-dose of my prescription painkillers + a sip of nitrous oxide can't make it bearable.
Gotta have that firm support of nice, flat ground under my pad - & I just use a really, really _good_ one.
Great breakdown John. I think at the end of the day, it's such a personal and situational choice. I've used both tents and hammocks, and my personal preference is a tent for 2 main reasons. A lot of the hiking I do is in sub-Alpine terrain where there really isn't much in the way of trees to support a hammock. The other reason is I just sleep better in a tent. There's a lot of people that hike in heavily treed areas, and are able to get extremely comfortable in their hammocks, and that's great. These comparison videos are always interesting, but in the end, it's a very personal and situational issue!
Always a personal issue for sure.
Good stuff. Totally agree.
Thanks!
There are tents for multiple people (which reduces the weight per person even more). There are just a few hammock models that really work for two people.
There are hammock builds in addition to gathered-end hammocks like bridge hammocks or 90° hammocks you can also choose from.
I personally can't see a huge difference in the comfort. I have good and bad nights in both of them.
I use a small light tent (no vestibule) and use a ultra light tarp (most of the time) over it. If I am above the tree.line, well, the tarp stays home.
Nice!
So when it comes to where to put gear. I made a gear hanger. That I put all my stuff on and it’s not on the ground. I still need trees and depending on the the size and angle I can make my tarp will depend on if my gear is covered or not. I haven’t fully mastered placement when it comes to hanging the gear hanger under the tarp and hammock but i hope I can.
I’m more of a hammock camper, unless it’s a date thing then yeah bring out the tent.
You did miss one thing. Which I believe is required for a hammock and that’s a underquilt, night drafts suck, yeah sleeping pads are eh, but to completely be comfortable, underquilt and those aren’t cheap lol. Or Atleast good. However when it comes to customizing the hammock gear you could make your own underquilt, which I plan on trying soon, which could save tons of money and could actually be better when it comes to weight and gear size. Or Atleast in my opinion. Hammock camping takes in more thought and more study on the area you’re gonna be hiking/camping at, however it’s more convenient when you’re in the mountains with trees, rocky or crazy terrain.
Anyways great video man. It hurts but you’re right tents wins. But hammock camping is still funnier lol. Plus you have better view on your surroundings which is important to me.
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Great stuff! There’s a reason I didn’t put the underquilt in this. That’s your sleep system. Totally different issue all together. Because some use pads, and others use underquilts, that would make make for a video all its own.
Do you sleep on your back?
Who’s that guy at 12:30mark 🤔
Enjoyed the video brother.
Tents and Hammocks are......AWESOME
I had to put that in there. You’re the king of porch mode!
There are a lot of benefits for a tent. I will counter set up time for a hammock. With some pre work you can get your hammock setup time down substantially. Also not needing to kneel down with a hammock is a big advantage. The knees take suck a beating in a tent when you get older. As far as gear storage, you can use a ridge line organizer, if you have a ridge line on your hammock or tarp. I also use a dry bag to store gear by my hammock so it is dry.
I will agree with you on the tent with the exception I prefer a hammock. Temp control and quality of sleep trump the benefits of the tent. I weight these differently.
I'll stick to my hammock and my rain fly every time
Me too!!!
Check out the OV video on tent vs hammock weights and cost. Comparable cost = comparable weight.
I saw that one.
Well done John! I take it trip-by-trip. If I’m trying to slam miles I go tent. If I’m going to be hanging around camp a bunch I pack a hammock. I also adjust the decision on the temperature...I prefer tents in the winter and hammocks in the summer. I hope you knee is healing well. The DBT guys might have some OSU swag for you if we ever run into you at RRG. 😉
Thanks for checking on the knee. Just found out it was badly sprained, and I’ll be back on it in 3-4 weeks! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻 It would be great to run into you!
Hey,
You might be right about who the winner is in points. But the points that the hammock gets count for me ten times as much.
Plus two / three points extra.
I like to look at the stars at night and enjoy my surroundings during the day when I SIT in my hammock, so I don't have to bring a chair.
Also on the hotter days and nights, especially when it rains (tent has to be closed soon) it is much cooler in my hammock.
A tent will never be a winner for me.
Happy Hang‼️
Great points!
It's really hard to do a hammock vs tent discussion without including the sleep pad which then pulls in a discussion of underquilts. If you ONLY had a tent and no sleep pad, the hammock would be such a ridiculous winner it would be no comparison (you'd still be cold in both but at least you'd be comfortable in the hammock). Of course a sleep pad also brings an element of insulation below, so then you'd need to talk about underquilts. I can see why you pared the comparison down but those elements are really part of the equation.
I have both, but always gravitate toward a hammock.
You just have to hike “your” hike.
I'm to old to sleep on the ground lol 😆 Its the Hammock life for me .but slowly switching my budget gear out for better stuff and a good quality Hammock is gonna be next
Yeah. Getting out of a hammock in the morning is a lot easier on the knees.
Man this was a good one. I never thought about this until I saw this video. Me and my coworker doing are 30 minute break we choose the Hammock before we watch the video! Boy do we take the L with you. I am surprised the the tent win. We are surprised the hammock didn't win. I have both of them and I sleep very well in both of them. You made a good point about space for either a tent or hammock. When I go kayak camping I take both of them so when we get to Camp I'm set up for either one of them. My co-worker bong his hammock one time and our campsite did not have no trees and he had to lay it down on the ground to sleep for the night. He was hurting the next morning. Awesome video man. Me and my coworker enjoy watching this one. My coworker said he definitely learned something on this one.
I've thought about bringing a sleeping pad with me just in case there isn't an option to hang a hammock. You can usually find some sticks or small trees or trekking poles to set up the tarp and then use your hammock quilt and sleeping pad to sleep on the ground.
@@Doc_Watson I'm going to pass this to my coworker so he can do that next time.
That’s awesome, Mack!!!! Kayak camping is some serious fun.
A lot of people tarp camp. It takes some finesse, but I know people that swear by it.
Isn't hammock camping glorified tarp camping? LOL
She uses a tent I use a hammock ..if we want some privacy we go to her place ..if we want to chill out throw back a few and entertain we go to my place...absolutely spot on in your comparison ..when we go out in the back country best of both ..winner winner dehydrated chicken dinner.
Nice video! I used tents for years but wanted to try a hammock. I started with a crappy hammock ( won't bash the company) lol..Then moved to a dutchware chameleon and slept decent. But when I changed to a dutchware banyon bridge it was amazing. Ya a little more weight, but so worth it.
I’ve got access to a bridge hammock. I’m looking forward to trying it out.
@@john_kelleyif you decide you like it, loco libre makes a underquilt called the Ridge reaper... It's made just for The Ridge runner and the dutchware banyan... Highly recommend.
@@812Taco that’s pretty awesome. Loco Libre is a great company. I’d love to get my hands on some of their gear.
Great content. Love my Hamic
Thanks!
That was a good comparison John but I think the way you have scored things is a little misleading. You are giving each point an equal weight. As Jon Sanford pointed some things are more important. For me comfort accounts for 70% of my score and privacy 5%. You also have the option of a tent and a tarp since some tarps are very small and light so you can sit out in the rain with friends and stay dry. Good stuff and thanks for the video.
This is definitely one of those videos where there’s no way to really weigh the points, but it definitely makes for some fun conversations.
You need to try out the Superior gear hammock. Definitely be the last one I'll have to buy.
I don't know John. With that new Cloud71 fabric Dutch came out with and Trailheadz claiming their new Poltergeist bugnet hammock in it weighing 7 ozs. Combine that with the DCF standard tarp with door from Hammock Gear at 7.87 ozs. With the suspension, tarp ridgeline, and stakes weight wise you might have Zpacks Duplex beat. Be a tough setup to beat, well if the person using it meets the Cloud71's weigh rating.
I’m actually wanting to get one in a few months. I saw a video where one of those hammocks held 1000lbs.
@@john_kelley Oh wow, that's good to know it held that much. Hadn't heard that.
@@bumblebeehikes yeah, they kept putting rolls of fabric in it, and then some guy stood on all of that. It was pretty impressive.
I like tents for the living space, the privacy, & the room to manoeuver, dress or respond to an event. I like the greater support for my damaged back that comes from a pad on the ground. I also like having walls, & a door that I can secure with a tiny luggage/journal lock through the zipper-pulls, if I'm feeling a little vulnerable.
But my #1 reason why I find tents superior to hammocks is because I'm a big ol' claustrophobe.
Where did you get the jacket? It looks hella comfortable. Lmao
It’s the Arc’teryx Delta LT hoodie. Kinda pricey, but I had a $20 gift card to REI, so I was able to find a sale and use the gift card.
Need a real world comparison, I want to see how much your tent set up weighs compared to your hammock set up, prices and set up times also.
I can’t stand hammocks for sleeping. I love them for lounging around camp for base camp setups. I’ll frequently pack in just the hammock with no rain fly. Longer range hikes I won’t bring it though. But for base camps where you’ll be hanging out for a few days and doing short day hikes....having a hammock to go back to for an afternoon nap after lunch is clutch. Haha
Nice!
We enjoyed this video as usual since you always get us thinking of alternatives to our setup and/or gear. You missed an important item in your comparison. Someone already mentioned a footprint for the tent, but most have a smaller version for the hammock. I would also include a air pad as part of the basic tent package. Adding cost and weight makes those 2 points in your video a draw.
I stayed away from sleep systems. Underquilts can weight more or less than pads, but the lighter, the more expensive.
I get what you are saying, but you need something to lay on in the tent to make it useable.
In my opinion....
Cost - Probably about equal. There are plenty of cheap backpacking tents and plenty of cheap hammocks out there. If you know what features are needed for a hammock for a good sleep you can get one very cheap for around $20. I also picked up a hammock for $13 that I sleep very well in. It's plenty wide enough that I can get a good flat diagonal lay. For a couple of bucks I added a ridgeline and can get a good consistent hang.
Setup - I would say a draw. Once you are familiar with your hammock/tarp setup you can do it quickly and easily. Same with a tent.
Finding a spot: Can't always find a good flat spot big enough for a tent, Can't always find two trees big enough or small enough that has the proper distance between them to hang a hammock.
Comfort: That's why I switched to hammock camping. It's also why I'm considering a backpacking cot for when I camp where I know a hammock will not work.
Weight: Hammock & tarp materials are getting lighter. You can cut a lot of weight by using tree huggers and light weight cordage for the suspension. The cheaper tents are probably on par weight wise with the cheaper hammocks and tarps (including the low cost cottage industry options)
Customization: I agree with you on the hammocks. It's also how you can get the weight down on the hammocks too
Room for gear: You almost need a two person tent most of the time to have room for your gear. With the hammock you have your ridge line organizer, peak shelves (I cheat and use a stuff sack hanging from the ridgeline attached at the top and bottom of the sack.) I also have a backpacking spike table and a backpacking chair that I put next to the hammock to keep things that I want within reach. I also keep an extra shirt or bottoms between the hammock and under quilt with in easy reach if I need it during the night.
Misc use: If you use a ridge line under the tarp, you can clip your hammock up out of the way to the ridgeline to give you more space to sit under the tarp. Or loosely wrap the hammock over it's ridge line to have it up and out of the way. If you are solo camping, the hammock works as a great chair. If it's nice out, flip the tarp back and use the hammock as a lounger. I realize you can take the rainfly off a tent and lounge that way too, but would it be as comfortable as a hammock? Probably not.
Overall, I think the tent would probably still win, but I think it should have been a much closer scoring. Also, the comfort factor and my lack of ability to get up and down off the ground easily makes the hammock a clear winner for me.
All in all, another great video.
Oh, you should also consider what is needed for a sleep system. You can use the same sleep pad and bag that you would use in a tent for a hammock but most will probably use a top quilt and an underquilt so if you hammock camp you are essentially bringing two sleeping bags.
That’s a heck of a response. I always feel smarter after reading your comments, Doc! Thanks for taking the time to write that!
Sorry that I got a little long winded on my comments.
Don’t apologize! I really enjoy reading your comments.
Dutchware halfwit .71 cloud 7 oz, hammock gear dcf tarp camo 9 oz ,
straps 3 oz = 19 oz. lanshan 2 pro = 32 oz
I don't know about the "ease of setup" thing...
Granted I know it's different for each hammock, but mine has two slip-sloop wide-strap tree straps, bug netting with built in guy-lines, and a silly-lightweight large rainfly.
Also, my hammock and all items cost a fraction of a good quality tent (one big point to hammocks, if youre an exponentially tall guy, I'm 6'6", a "lightweight tent" I can fit in, does not exist lol, it's 3 man or tent I'm rubbing the top and bottom haha)
Takes me 2 minutes flat and I haven't practiced much.
I will hand it to the tent though, it's a helluva lot easier to sleep with a partner in a tent
What kind of hammock is do you have?
@@cloud_monkey422 cheap, locally available for me in cabelas "Grand Trunk" NZD made (Iirc)
mines the "double trunk" I paid 60 bucks Canadian.
8 ft long, comfy material, strong enough to hold my 300 lb best friend.
Trunk straps from the same company, 30 bucks and I've pulled a stuck car with them once, very tough.
I also have their mosquito net, cost another 60 bucks extra but has built in Ridgeline and is stupid easy to put up.
They do offer a big ol' rainfly system too, it looks nice and I've heard good things, but I'm cheap and just use an old rainfly from a destroyed tent 😂
@@maxman1244 lol thank you man haha I’m cheap also and while not new to hiking, I’m new to camping and trying to find at least a one day shelter before this trip haha
Sleeping in a tent with my Exped mega mat lite lxw destroys any hammock I’ve been in but that’s just how my body feels. I understand not many people want to take a 5” thick sleep pad but it’s only 2.5 pounds and feels like I’m sleeping in the arms of holy gypsies.
That sounds like a really comfortable pad!
comfort of the hammock should be worth 5points all on its own!
Lol. True story!
Comfort? Not for a side or stomach sleeper. Plus, trees don’t grow everywhere you might need to camp. Hammocks make a substandard bivy.
Cloud 71 hammock, whoopie slings and dyneema tarp, weight??? getting close to lightest weight tent. Backpacking gear is advancing right before our eyes, enjoyed the video, keep up the good work and hope to see you on the trail on day. OHT is calling you, haha.
Thanks! That’s a trail I want to hit up for sure!
this is a great breakdown. Tents are def better for beginners
I’m like the princess and the pea. I’ll take my hammock every time... except in winter.
I love my hammock in the winter. I sleep warmer in it than I do in a tent.
Good under quilt sleeping in the winter is awesome look on eBay at the under quilt by Lixada / Stratstone rated at -10 for around £25 - £35 excellent under quilt used in the winter here in the U.K. down to around -5 and toasty with my down sleeping bag left open a used like a quilt. At this price you could get 2 and double them up.
@@grimlightwildoutdoors Thanks for the advice. As an older backpacker/paddler, I have this thing about traditional methods for camping. I love my hammocks. I have multiple. I have multiple under and over quilts, too. I like to hot tent in the winter, and have used different tarp arrangements. I even put a stove jack in two of them. They have not worked as well as a tent. Given that, I appreciate your thoughts, and I applaud your enthusiasm. Enjoy camping in any manner you choose. I da.
I think that comfort should be scored multiple points. Better sleep > Crappy Ground Sleep. Ask Jeremiah to redo those numbers for a curve!
Lol. I’ll see what I can do.
My approach-avoid the tent v hammock showdown altogether. LOL. That being said, I agree with many on the "It all depends on who you are and where you want to sleep" approach. Regardless, you did a great job laying out the pros and cons of each side-by-side.
**whispers while moon-walking out of the comments**
P.S. Tents are better.... *winks*
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