Drawn in a CAD program, a 200mm wheel (T4) and an edge 3mm long (very long) the hollow meassures abt 0,01mm. Yes, 1 hundreds of a millimeter. So just forget that hollow edge mumbo jumbo as a disadvantage.
After honing on the leather wheel it'll be even less. Unless you manage to set up the USB and jig perfectly so the leather wheel is honing EXACTLY centered on the middle of the bevel (unlikely), you will either remove material from the shoulder of the bevel, or more likely, from the apex (honing 1 degree or so higher than the sharpening angle). I was concerned about it too when I was getting ready to buy my T8. My SG wheel is down to 220mm, even then the "hollow grind" on my edges is purely theoretical.
My Ken onion work sharp motor went right after the warranty was over. I bought the T4 tormek and then the T8. I should have bought the T 8 right away. The worksharp trained me.
You failed to mention that with Diamond wheels being made out of steel, that you should use the Tormek Anti-Corrosion with the water to prevent corroding of the wheel. Other than that oversight, decent video.
I think the Tormek system is great especially if u want to start a small business sharpening. And to be honest couple grand ain't a bad investment to start a business. Awesome video brother truly enjoy the channel...🤘👊
I’ve used the MB-100 on my Tormek with the traditional grindstones, and if is really useful for flat grinds, and for tools which are short (e.g., short carving tools). Works quite well.
I was wondering , do the diamond stones wear out? How long do they last? It looks like the water line only covers part of the side of the wheel. I presume you need to make sure and use that part when sharpening?
Thanks for the video have you had good long-term success with those diamond wheels I was tempted to get some of those CBN wheels that fit the tarmac but I had really bad luck with the vendor so I think I'm probably going to break down and get the diamond Wheels I mostly do woodturning but I'd like to do knife sharpening and chisels as well so you think it's Overkill to get all three wheels
great video. i am about to get a t4 to sharpen mostly kitchen knives and scissors, and have a bunch of questions. for a first timer, which wheel should i get, or does sg200 always come with the t4 purchase? what's the learning curve like for a beginner? if i upgrade it to the water stone right from the beginning, how likely will i mess it up? any elite t4 users? thanks in advance.
@@ccaldwellre hi. I ended up getting the t8, about a year ago. I am not a professional chef but do have a bunch of high carbon knives at home that cannot be sharpened by other machines or would take forever to sharpen by hand. so that's my reason for getting a Tormek.
@@ccaldwellre with the t8, I basically got 4 wheels (the sg200 came stock) to cover all kinds of scenarios. I purchased the waterstone and 2 diamond stones additionally. as a beginner, I have messed up some knives. I knew this was going to happen, so I purchased some sub-$100 knives for testing. poor knives. during my learning process, some of them got curves
@@ccaldwellre correction: the t2 has a fixed angle, not the t4. t4 is a smaller version of the t8. now I remember why I chose the t8 instead - t4 shuts down in like 30 minutes or so, to prevent overheating. t8 does not.
T Lee I am home cook and have about 15 knives of various quality from cheap ones from the chef supply store to a couple of nicer ones that are close to $200. I don’t have any extremely expensive ones. I’m thinking about getting the T4.
All the troll comments simply come because they can't afford that's $700 best of the best sharpener so they'll justify with whatever cheap method that they use. Granted it all works but if you can afford the best of the best that would be this sharpener. Also I don't want no Workshop belt sander being run on my expensive German knives in the kitchen or even my pocket knife. I will use a stone and a sharpening steel because that's what's in my budget but I sure do wish I had one of these LOL
great comment. there are so many top quality knife sharpening systems out there. I own three. Tormek, wicked edge, and a set of Japanese wet stones, purchased out of Japan. each will do a great job. But you will have those that will tell you they have a $25 sharpening system that will do the same as these. and probably it can but you will ever get repeatability with them. and when some one buys your knife you want to tell them they can sharpen it with a 15,20,22 degree edge. So they know what bevel to sharpen to.
I would really like to see you review this "stone," as well as the two others, with you sharpening knives. Perhaps one could be a badly damaged blade, like with a tip broken off. You could take it through the 3 diamond stones, from re-profiling to a fine finish. And then maybe one where you just sharpen a knife that is in good condition, just not as sharp as it needs to be. would that be just on the ex fine stone? I have the Japanese waterstone on my T8, but I am curious about the diamond stones. Not sure if I am going to buy any or not, but your videos could help make that choice easier. They were why I bought a T8.
Gary Henderson Hey Gary. Glad to hear you got the T-8. Hopefully you’re enjoying it. Unfortunately I don’t have all three diamond wheels. Wish I did though. I did do a video similar to what you described though. Not sure if you saw this one. Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/fPFtAkmqoOQ/видео.html
Then how about this: pick a knife (anything from a folder to a Japanese Santoku to a Bowie...it really doesn't matter. But sharpen the knife on this diamond wheel, using the top surface of the wheel. and then evaluate the edge. Based on your personal experience with systems like the Wicked Edge and the Hapstone, you might venture an opinion as to which grit of stone would provide an edge of similar refinement. Is this Fine wheel equal to a 2K grit stone? A 5K? a 1k? OK, I know that sounds really demanding, and I apologize. I would have emailed you, but I don't have an address. But here's why I am asking: Buying all 3 of these wheels costs more than the T8. Your review of the T8 was sufficiently detailed that I felt 100% confident in purchasing mine, along with the hand tool jig set, and the Japanese waterstone. I also bought my Hapstone V7 based on your review. I am a fan, and I trust what you say regarding the pros and cons of a particular piece of equipment. And although I did enjoy the information and demonstration about using the side of the diamond wheel to sharpen an axe, either freehand or with a jig, I felt totally ripped off by this video. It has nothing to do with the quality of the information imparted. The camera work was fine. Sound levels were perfect. Technically, it was excellent. No, what you did was of the high quality I have come to expect from you. No, my disappointment comes from being misled. You titled the video, "Tormek Diamond Wheel - Full Review." Do you see it? Of course you do. FULL REVIEW Full review, without sharpening a knife? Ahem...do you happen to live in a state where recreational use of weed has been legalized? (Just playing here, so understand that while I am disappointed at the lack of any sharpening footage, I'm not pissed; I am not going to unfollow you. I still will open each email from you, announcing a new video, drop what I am doing, and watch it right then.) So please consider what I have asked for. A short video of you sharpening a knife on this daimind stone, and your evaluation of the results. And thank you...for all you do.
I have the t4 with original stone, which is ok, not great. Will the Japanese waterstone sharpen extremely dull knives on its own, or do you need to run it thru the original stone first, then hit it with the Japanese? Thank you very much
I had the WorkSharp and the sandpaper burned out quickly. It’s fine for a dodger tool steel like O1 but I use Japanese chisels mans PM-V11 blades...WorkSharp is just too aggressive. I’m looking into the Diamond wheels myself since I’ve got a Tormek to replace the 1000 to 4000 grit ranges. The ability to use the side of the wheel is a big deal for me since I also restore tools so I don’t have to use my 1000 grit water stone. These days I use the Tormek (1000) then finish it on a 10,000 then 13,000 grit stones.
Agreed. That’s what the WorkSharp guys don’t admit. They’ll end up spending $700 (or more) on belt kits just to sharpen as many knives as you can on a Tormek.
Yes the system is designed to get years of money out of you. They dumb down their own products so they can give you the next best thing 6 months later. Basically the Nintendo and Apple marketing platform. I just bought their new Precision adjust system it was only $45 and is fine for what I need BUT ..Within 5 minutes of use I could easily find flaws which I know were left on purpose. This guy is right...If you sharpen for a living or just have a lot of toys these full wheel deals are a game changer That said it's a very simple design amd could be made for much less . You already see cheap knock offs now and honestly they can get the same job done. The diamond stones are cool but my question is how long does the dust hold up ? In my experience they don't hold up but I'm guessing these are much better quality. ..Freaking better be at $350 a wheel.
I have. You'll just need to hold on to the handle securely and use your other hand to stabilize the other end. I bought the long knife jig and had to return it for a replacement. Got the replacement and returned that too. The jaws weren't completely flat.
The wider jig is for flexible knives. Regardless of length use the svm-45, unless the knife is flexible. One of the best channels I've seen so far for using the Tormek is Knife Grinders. They're in Australia but the guy in the video sounds Russian. I've learned a ton in the handful of videos I've watched so far.
wt bout a victorinox butcher boning knife? So the original stone should do the job? I mean I don't need to buy the diamond stone wheel right? Cause it's not cheap
just discovered that the cbn wheels can be used for tormek t8. while the higher grit tormek diamond wheels are currently back ordered, the never changing shape cbn wheels may be a great alternative, at the cost of $180 each. not bad.
I must have had 4 to 5 knife sharpeners, from Tru Hone, to others, this Tormek t8 is the cats meow just ordered a 1200 CBN wheel, and just finished my station, for best performance the machine should be at wast level, and do get a FVB from Knife Grinders, a game changer. Along with software for best angle cuts.
Yes, they also have a 'black' wheel that is designed for steels that are hard to cut with the regular wheel. The new diamond stones negates the need of it though. I've not had any trouble with any of my knives, chisels, or specialty blades, just some of the harder metals take just a little longer to cut. This machine is designed to take the edge off a already defined edge and bring it to final sharpness. It is not necessarily made to grind a totally new profile, though it can be done, just takes time.
GI, this happens when you leave one of the diamond or CBN wheels on after you're done. The metal wheels have to be removed immediately, or they get stuck. I've never had it happen personally, but you might try WD-40, let it sit, and see what happens. Worse comes to worst, I'd take the entire shaft out and (again with the WD) gently try to punch the shaft out, making sure to support the wheel completely with wood (2X4s or such). Good luck.
@@disinterestedperson Ah, sorry, my mistake. You could still try the punch method, working very gently and supporting the wheel at all points, esp close to the center. I know the problem is that you'd like to be able to change stones (full disclosure, I'm a pro and I've got a bunch of them). You might also check with Vadim at KnifeGrinders, he's a Tormek Guru, and could have an idea. He's very helpful. Tell him I sent you and he'll charge you double:)
Could you make a video comparing the wicked edge, hapstone, and tsprof and just talk about the pros and cons of each and what advantages one has over the others
@@fldiverjc4496Would you give a breakdown of tsprof vs edge pro? Should I go with the pro model edge pro (looking to upgrade my apex) or go with the tsprof? I plan to get the Tormec as well down the road. That will be a whole new story when I get there.
I have watched all you videos and you have convinced me to get a tormek. I am confused about one thing. Do you switch the wheels out for each knife or say just keep the Japanese water stone on for most knives etc
that's a great question. I only used the waterstone on my high-end knives. Most of my knives are for more utilitarian work, and don't need such a fine edge. That being said, the standard stone typically lives on my T8. But yes, when you want to do that finer edge, you have to swap stones. It literally takes 20 seconds.
@@jeffersonhenn1086 yes. the diamond stones are a little better suited for those, but I used both the standard stone and japanese stone on my M390 and SV110 knives, before I got the diamond stone.
@@HarleyWood23 Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I'm ready to pull the trigger, but have 1 last question, if you wouldn't mind. Have you tried the Black Silicon Wheel and if so, how did it perform on the Super Steels? Thanks again..
@@greatrixbrad Yes, i already tried. I did 5 untill now but i wonder how many more i can do. The disc costs 200 euro here and in order to be profitable it must last at least 200 sharpenings at average price of 2.5 euro each.
@@nickolaymiltenov oh, great to know. I am very tempted by the diamond wheels, but trying to be patient because I still have a nearly new SG-250. Do you sharpen professionally?
How is the tormek on recurves? I've really been wanting to get one. The more videos I watch, the more I want one. That was really the only thing I haven't seen a video on yet though.
With my experience you are not going to do recurve blades on the machine unless you had a dedicated stone wheel that you dressed with a convex outer edge.
Hi Harley ! nice videos ! I only have a worksharp KO edition with the grinding attachment. It is fast to sharpen knifes, but it remooves a lot of steel... I have a knife collection with ZTs, benchmades, Spyderco, ESEEs and more... so I would like a system which alows to not break my blades. The tormek looks like realy nice, but can we sharpen hard steels with the japanese waterstone like CPM S110V ? and I realy like your videos !
pyrosis08 Yes. Absolutely. I sharpen my ZT0350 on it. The slow speed and water prevents overheating. It may not be as fast as the worsharp, but it’s a hell of a lot more forgiving… Especially if you have some high-end blades.
pyrosis08 Not sure about the exact properties of SV1110. I would choose the Tormek, especially if you can afford the Japanese waterstone. It’s literally exponentially faster than a Wicked Edge. The WE does have finer grit stones though.
Dang! I was hoping you would talk about the Japanese Water stone. I'm thinking my Tormek is a T6. Has a green chassis. Yep think I'm gonna take the plunge and get a T-8. That ol' T-6 has served me well but it's getting tired.
Danny Barton I reviewed the Japanese stone at the link below. Fantastic system. It’s essentially all I use now. I’ll be doing a giveaway of a T4 Japanese stone very soon. ruclips.net/video/2VFCNxqVR3Q/видео.html
Bit of an odd question but do you think this system could handle Swords and things like that? I like to collect but sometimes they don't come anywhere close to sharp and they're a pain to fix so I'm looking for something new.
This system would work for swords but you would pretty much need to do it freehand or make/modify a jig to help hold it. You could possibly attach piece of wood or plastic to the axe jig that would help you to draw the sword blade across the stone evenly.
They should definitely make a jig for swords. People spend crazy money on their sword collections and to polish one sword one time can cost what a tormek costs brand new. Tormek would bring in many new customers this way.
That's a sweet machine. It's like a metallurgical polishing table. The tool does the work and gives you the angle you're after, with a hollow the size of a sheet of paper. What more do you want? The slow speed with the water bath is what lets you keep the heat-treat on the steel and keep the wheel from loading up. People freak out about getting that mirror polished edge. A tiny bit of tooth on the blade is like micro-serrations, plus you can leather hone it away. The only step up from a Tormek is dedicated machine equipment like a milling machine or a surface grinder. You go from a $1000 assembly, to a $15,000 assembly.
Don’t sharpen the inside of your V... you may want to dress it once with some diamond files, but hopefully never have to touch it again, except with a strop
haidafella the grinder and tools I use are setup to sharpen the inside only, the tooling is from a company called intorex if you check out the website it’ll give you an better idea
@@HarleyWood23 Been watching a lot of your knife sharpening videos lately so I've heard it many times and it's embedded in my head lol. Just picked up a Tormek T8 yesterday and largely based my decision on your videos.. exceptionally impressed with it so far, I just need to work on keeping my knife blades on the center of the stone and not touching the edges. I was torn between Tormek and Wicked Edge and so glad I went Tormek!
@@HarleyWood23 still can't decide to get a tormek (T8 probarly) or get a WE, i don't have the hand steadiness to use traditional whetstone. But the tormek still had a bit of "hand influence" on the angle, where a WE system takes that out, and WE has more options to go to finer grinds... On the other side, the tormek can sharpen my axes/chisels to when needed....
Voliere-info.nl All true. The Tormek is also exponentially faster. To some that may not be as important. You can’t make a bad choice either way. Thanks for watching man.
@@HarleyWood23 hi, thanks for your fast response, eventually decided to get the WE, getting the angle locekd it did it for me, maybe i get a tormek later to start practice on the chisels and axe before i do knives on it :)
@@HarleyWood23 Okay. I'm a rookie and I like your videos. So I'm guessing that these diamond-coated steel wheels never go out of true? This might seem like a silly question to some but I sincerely don't understand how you can grid something against something else and not have some kind of wear ... eventually. Cheers.
@@priayief The wheel is a metal wheel covered with diamond dust glued to it. The wear on the stone is either the actual wear of the microdiamonds or the falling from the wheel of the dust. Either way after no dust left the wheel is kaput.
Work shsrp is cheaper then Tormek, work shsrp have produced manuel sharpners and belt sharpners as well, when your sharpning on a tormek your still Removing metal your have contradicted yourself with those comments,
That wheel moves too damn slow to get any professional work done. I do Iike that they are offering better abrasives, they must have decided to use diamond over CBN to save cost and the detriments of diamond used with friction and heat on steel are negated by the super low speed. Harley you should check out this machine. @1:40 ruclips.net/video/Oqn7vcByIgo/видео.html Its a diamond wheel that actual gets stuff done but costs a few thousand dollars, yikes.
Thanks for the info. I don’t mind the Tormek’s speed. If I was building knives from raw stock, I agree, this would be too slow. However, I just use it to keep my knives sharp and occasionally fix chips. It does all that in just a few minutes. Here’s a pretty nasty chip I fixed quickly. ruclips.net/video/fPFtAkmqoOQ/видео.html
Not quite sure I agree. I have the T8 and in the 200 grit setting in removes dents in knives pretty quickly - but of course as Harley pointed out stock removal is not the intended use. I doubt that any other sharpening system is faster than the T8. And also, the great advantage is you can sharpen everything except chainsaw chains and saw blades.
@@quantin2500 My comments was sarcasm... But ...to answer your question I'd say for the average guy it's fine . That said their diamond grit doesn't hold up to well. I use lapping adhesive or tape with sandpaper to reprofile my blades with it. Honestly it's just a lansky that's built a bit more accurate. If a guy has a lansky system don't buy it.
Drawn in a CAD program, a 200mm wheel (T4) and an edge 3mm long (very long) the hollow meassures abt 0,01mm. Yes, 1 hundreds of a millimeter. So just forget that hollow edge mumbo jumbo as a disadvantage.
After honing on the leather wheel it'll be even less. Unless you manage to set up the USB and jig perfectly so the leather wheel is honing EXACTLY centered on the middle of the bevel (unlikely), you will either remove material from the shoulder of the bevel, or more likely, from the apex (honing 1 degree or so higher than the sharpening angle).
I was concerned about it too when I was getting ready to buy my T8. My SG wheel is down to 220mm, even then the "hollow grind" on my edges is purely theoretical.
I like that they have finally made diamond wheels for the T-4 now as well.
Hi after a few years are you still sold on the diamond stone. Which one would you use for chisels and turning chisels?
My Ken onion work sharp motor went right after the warranty was over.
I bought the T4 tormek and then the T8. I should have bought the T 8 right away.
The worksharp trained me.
You failed to mention that with Diamond wheels being made out of steel, that you should use the Tormek Anti-Corrosion with the water to prevent corroding of the wheel. Other than that oversight, decent video.
By the way, wood chisels do real well with a hollow grind. All my wood chisels are sharpened on Tormek.
Maybe put a neodymium magnets in a plastic bag to pick up the fine metal. Remove the magnet and the particles will fall into the bin.
for 10" diameter with a .25" grind area the hallow is .0062"
I think the Tormek system is great especially if u want to start a small business sharpening. And to be honest couple grand ain't a bad investment to start a business. Awesome video brother truly enjoy the channel...🤘👊
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Thanks man. Appreciate you watching, as always.
I’ve used the MB-100 on my Tormek with the traditional grindstones, and if is really useful for flat grinds, and for tools which are short (e.g., short carving tools). Works quite well.
I was wondering , do the diamond stones wear out? How long do they last? It looks like the water line only covers part of the side of the wheel. I presume you need to make sure and use that part when sharpening?
Thanks for the video have you had good long-term success with those diamond wheels I was tempted to get some of those CBN wheels that fit the tarmac but I had really bad luck with the vendor so I think I'm probably going to break down and get the diamond Wheels I mostly do woodturning but I'd like to do knife sharpening and chisels as well so you think it's Overkill to get all three wheels
great video. i am about to get a t4 to sharpen mostly kitchen knives and scissors, and have a bunch of questions. for a first timer, which wheel should i get, or does sg200 always come with the t4 purchase? what's the learning curve like for a beginner? if i upgrade it to the water stone right from the beginning, how likely will i mess it up? any elite t4 users? thanks in advance.
I have the same questions. Did you ever get an answer?
@@ccaldwellre hi. I ended up getting the t8, about a year ago. I am not a professional chef but do have a bunch of high carbon knives at home that cannot be sharpened by other machines or would take forever to sharpen by hand. so that's my reason for getting a Tormek.
@@ccaldwellre with the t8, I basically got 4 wheels (the sg200 came stock) to cover all kinds of scenarios. I purchased the waterstone and 2 diamond stones additionally. as a beginner, I have messed up some knives. I knew this was going to happen, so I purchased some sub-$100 knives for testing. poor knives. during my learning process, some of them got curves
@@ccaldwellre correction: the t2 has a fixed angle, not the t4. t4 is a smaller version of the t8. now I remember why I chose the t8 instead - t4 shuts down in like 30 minutes or so, to prevent overheating. t8 does not.
T Lee I am home cook and have about 15 knives of various quality from cheap ones from the chef supply store to a couple of nicer ones that are close to $200. I don’t have any extremely expensive ones. I’m thinking about getting the T4.
Awesome! If only they weren’t so ridiculously expensive.
I'm looking at buying the Silicon Carbide stone. How does it compare to the Diamond stone?
All the troll comments simply come because they can't afford that's $700 best of the best sharpener so they'll justify with whatever cheap method that they use. Granted it all works but if you can afford the best of the best that would be this sharpener. Also I don't want no Workshop belt sander being run on my expensive German knives in the kitchen or even my pocket knife. I will use a stone and a sharpening steel because that's what's in my budget but I sure do wish I had one of these LOL
great comment. there are so many top quality knife sharpening systems out there. I own three. Tormek, wicked edge, and a set of Japanese wet stones, purchased out of Japan. each will do a great job. But you will have those that will tell you they have a $25 sharpening system that will do the same as these. and probably it can but you will ever get repeatability with them. and when some one buys your knife you want to tell them they can sharpen it with a 15,20,22 degree edge. So they know what bevel to sharpen to.
I would really like to see you review this "stone," as well as the two others, with you sharpening knives. Perhaps one could be a badly damaged blade, like with a tip broken off. You could take it through the 3 diamond stones, from re-profiling to a fine finish. And then maybe one where you just sharpen a knife that is in good condition, just not as sharp as it needs to be. would that be just on the ex fine stone?
I have the Japanese waterstone on my T8, but I am curious about the diamond stones. Not sure if I am going to buy any or not, but your videos could help make that choice easier. They were why I bought a T8.
Gary Henderson
Hey Gary. Glad to hear you got the T-8. Hopefully you’re enjoying it. Unfortunately I don’t have all three diamond wheels. Wish I did though. I did do a video similar to what you described though. Not sure if you saw this one. Check it out here: ruclips.net/video/fPFtAkmqoOQ/видео.html
Then how about this: pick a knife (anything from a folder to a Japanese Santoku to a Bowie...it really doesn't matter. But sharpen the knife on this diamond wheel, using the top surface of the wheel. and then evaluate the edge. Based on your personal experience with systems like the Wicked Edge and the Hapstone, you might venture an opinion as to which grit of stone would provide an edge of similar refinement. Is this Fine wheel equal to a 2K grit stone? A 5K? a 1k?
OK, I know that sounds really demanding, and I apologize. I would have emailed you, but I don't have an address. But here's why I am asking: Buying all 3 of these wheels costs more than the T8. Your review of the T8 was sufficiently detailed that I felt 100% confident in purchasing mine, along with the hand tool jig set, and the Japanese waterstone. I also bought my Hapstone V7 based on your review. I am a fan, and I trust what you say regarding the pros and cons of a particular piece of equipment. And although I did enjoy the information and demonstration about using the side of the diamond wheel to sharpen an axe, either freehand or with a jig, I felt totally ripped off by this video.
It has nothing to do with the quality of the information imparted. The camera work was fine. Sound levels were perfect. Technically, it was excellent. No, what you did was of the high quality I have come to expect from you. No, my disappointment comes from being misled. You titled the video, "Tormek Diamond Wheel - Full Review." Do you see it? Of course you do.
FULL REVIEW
Full review, without sharpening a knife? Ahem...do you happen to live in a state where recreational use of weed has been legalized? (Just playing here, so understand that while I am disappointed at the lack of any sharpening footage, I'm not pissed; I am not going to unfollow you. I still will open each email from you, announcing a new video, drop what I am doing, and watch it right then.)
So please consider what I have asked for. A short video of you sharpening a knife on this daimind stone, and your evaluation of the results. And thank you...for all you do.
I have the t4 with original stone, which is ok, not great. Will the Japanese waterstone sharpen extremely dull knives on its own, or do you need to run it thru the original stone first, then hit it with the Japanese? Thank you very much
You need to use a coarse gritstone first especially if you are sharpening a knife that's made out of a high speed Steel
I had the WorkSharp and the sandpaper burned out quickly. It’s fine for a dodger tool steel like O1 but I use Japanese chisels mans PM-V11 blades...WorkSharp is just too aggressive.
I’m looking into the Diamond wheels myself since I’ve got a Tormek to replace the 1000 to 4000 grit ranges. The ability to use the side of the wheel is a big deal for me since I also restore tools so I don’t have to use my 1000 grit water stone. These days I use the Tormek (1000) then finish it on a 10,000 then 13,000 grit stones.
Agreed. That’s what the WorkSharp guys don’t admit. They’ll end up spending $700 (or more) on belt kits just to sharpen as many knives as you can on a Tormek.
Yes the system is designed to get years of money out of you.
They dumb down their own products so they can give you the next best thing 6 months later.
Basically the Nintendo and Apple marketing platform.
I just bought their new Precision adjust system it was only $45 and is fine for what I need BUT
..Within 5 minutes of use I could easily find flaws which I know were left on purpose.
This guy is right...If you sharpen for a living or just have a lot of toys these full wheel deals are a game changer
That said it's a very simple design amd could be made for much less .
You already see cheap knock offs now and honestly they can get the same job done.
The diamond stones are cool but my question is how long does the dust hold up ?
In my experience they don't hold up but I'm guessing these are much better quality. ..Freaking better be at $350 a wheel.
How dare you compare the glorious sound of knife sharpening to nails on a chalkboard!
I totally agree 💯
Hi, can the guide that the tormek comes with be used to sharpen longer blades, 16 + inches? Thanks
I have. You'll just need to hold on to the handle securely and use your other hand to stabilize the other end.
I bought the long knife jig and had to return it for a replacement. Got the replacement and returned that too. The jaws weren't completely flat.
The wider jig is for flexible knives. Regardless of length use the svm-45, unless the knife is flexible.
One of the best channels I've seen so far for using the Tormek is Knife Grinders. They're in Australia but the guy in the video sounds Russian. I've learned a ton in the handful of videos I've watched so far.
There is a longer tormek guide available, I just ordered it for the T8. It may work on the T4 as well
You make great Vids ! Thankyou
wt bout a victorinox butcher boning knife? So the original stone should do the job? I mean I don't need to buy the diamond stone wheel right? Cause it's not cheap
You don't need a diamond wheel for mainstream knives such as the Victorinox. I use the stock stone, and it works fine.
just discovered that the cbn wheels can be used for tormek t8. while the higher grit tormek diamond wheels are currently back ordered, the never changing shape cbn wheels may be a great alternative, at the cost of $180 each. not bad.
Where can I get info on them?
Will the diamond wheel sharpen ceramic knives, if so what grit would do the job, I have a Tormek d7.?
TheTormek channel confirmed that the diamond wheel would sharpen ceramic knives.
that hollow grind is pretty noticeable on the t-4. I wonder about doing japanese chisels using the side that way.
I must have had 4 to 5 knife sharpeners, from Tru Hone, to others, this Tormek t8 is the cats meow just ordered a 1200 CBN wheel, and just finished my station, for best performance the machine should be at wast level, and do get a FVB from Knife Grinders, a game changer. Along with software for best angle cuts.
Some people are saying the T-8 is the bee's knees.
@@ThekiBoran others say it's the dogs bollocks (UK slang for exceptionally good)
Also, would you buy a diamond stone? (Grit) Or a Japanese water stone next?
I would buy the Japanese waterstone. I sharpen mostly knifes and it produces scary-sharp edges.
Thanks Harley!
Will the Tormek handle the super Steels?
Bruce Johnston
Yes. Especially with the diamond stones. You may wear the stones faster than normal, but it will certainly work.
Yes, they also have a 'black' wheel that is designed for steels that are hard to cut with the regular wheel. The new diamond stones negates the need of it though. I've not had any trouble with any of my knives, chisels, or specialty blades, just some of the harder metals take just a little longer to cut. This machine is designed to take the edge off a already defined edge and bring it to final sharpness. It is not necessarily made to grind a totally new profile, though it can be done, just takes time.
Ever had your wheel get stuck on the Tormek? Mine is and I don't want to destroy it getting it off.
GI, this happens when you leave one of the diamond or CBN wheels on after you're done. The metal wheels have to be removed immediately, or they get stuck. I've never had it happen personally, but you might try WD-40, let it sit, and see what happens. Worse comes to worst, I'd take the entire shaft out and (again with the WD) gently try to punch the shaft out, making sure to support the wheel completely with wood (2X4s or such). Good luck.
@@davidemigliaccio5646 it's not a CBN wheel its a 220 stone.
@@disinterestedperson Ah, sorry, my mistake. You could still try the punch method, working very gently and supporting the wheel at all points, esp close to the center. I know the problem is that you'd like to be able to change stones (full disclosure, I'm a pro and I've got a bunch of them). You might also check with Vadim at KnifeGrinders, he's a Tormek Guru, and could have an idea. He's very helpful. Tell him I sent you and he'll charge you double:)
Huh, stuck!?! Green iguana, has anyone used anti - seize on these? it might be a good idea.
How to buy this?
Could you make a video comparing the wicked edge, hapstone, and tsprof and just talk about the pros and cons of each and what advantages one has over the others
he already has
@@yorpersona I can't find it could you link it
If your still looking for answers on that I have all the above systems as well as a kme and the edgepro professional 4 package.
Ask away
A simple answer is there is no comparison.
@@fldiverjc4496Would you give a breakdown of tsprof vs edge pro? Should I go with the pro model edge pro (looking to upgrade my apex) or go with the tsprof? I plan to get the Tormec as well down the road. That will be a whole new story when I get there.
They don't have an 8 inch version of these stones for the T-4, do they?
not that i'm aware of.
Go to sharpening supplies .com tormek does offer the diamond wheels for the t4
They do now in 2024
Is that a cbn wheel? Do you need water?
Will the basic stone handle the Super steels?
I have the T7, and it's stone sharpens my Cold Steel Recon 1 folder, which has Carpenter steel, nicely.
I have watched all you videos and you have convinced me to get a tormek. I am confused about one thing. Do you switch the wheels out for each knife or say just keep the Japanese water stone on for most knives etc
that's a great question. I only used the waterstone on my high-end knives. Most of my knives are for more utilitarian work, and don't need such a fine edge. That being said, the standard stone typically lives on my T8. But yes, when you want to do that finer edge, you have to swap stones. It literally takes 20 seconds.
@@HarleyWood23
Hi, does the standard stone work on higher end steels, like M390 and Elmax?
@@jeffersonhenn1086 yes. the diamond stones are a little better suited for those, but I used both the standard stone and japanese stone on my M390 and SV110 knives, before I got the diamond stone.
@@HarleyWood23
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly. I'm ready to pull the trigger, but have 1 last question, if you wouldn't mind.
Have you tried the Black Silicon Wheel and if so, how did it perform on the Super Steels?
Thanks again..
Can you use this wheel for ceramic knives sharpening and how long would it last according to your experience?
NICKOLAY MILTENOV
Not sure. I don’t have any ceramic knives.
@@HarleyWood23 Thank you. I shall take the risk and try for myself.
NICKOLAY MILTENOV according to Tormek the diamond wheels are suitable for ceramic knives.
@@greatrixbrad Yes, i already tried. I did 5 untill now but i wonder how many more i can do. The disc costs 200 euro here and in order to be profitable it must last at least 200 sharpenings at average price of 2.5 euro each.
@@nickolaymiltenov oh, great to know. I am very tempted by the diamond wheels, but trying to be patient because I still have a nearly new SG-250. Do you sharpen professionally?
Excelente muy buena herramienta bien explicado saludos
How is the tormek on recurves? I've really been wanting to get one. The more videos I watch, the more I want one. That was really the only thing I haven't seen a video on yet though.
With my experience you are not going to do recurve blades on the machine unless you had a dedicated stone wheel that you dressed with a convex outer edge.
Hi Harley ! nice videos ! I only have a worksharp KO edition with the grinding attachment. It is fast to sharpen knifes, but it remooves a lot of steel... I have a knife collection with ZTs, benchmades, Spyderco, ESEEs and more... so I would like a system which alows to not break my blades. The tormek looks like realy nice, but can we sharpen hard steels with the japanese waterstone like CPM S110V ? and I realy like your videos !
pyrosis08
Yes. Absolutely. I sharpen my ZT0350 on it. The slow speed and water prevents overheating. It may not be as fast as the worsharp, but it’s a hell of a lot more forgiving… Especially if you have some high-end blades.
Thank's for the answer ! but can we sharpen S110V ? and Do you think the tormek is a better choise than a Wicked edge ?
pyrosis08
Not sure about the exact properties of SV1110. I would choose the Tormek, especially if you can afford the Japanese waterstone. It’s literally exponentially faster than a Wicked Edge. The WE does have finer grit stones though.
Ok thanks ! ;)
Dang! I was hoping you would talk about the Japanese Water stone. I'm thinking my Tormek is a T6. Has a green chassis. Yep think I'm gonna take the plunge and get a T-8. That ol' T-6 has served me well but it's getting tired.
Danny Barton
I reviewed the Japanese stone at the link below. Fantastic system. It’s essentially all I use now. I’ll be doing a giveaway of a T4 Japanese stone very soon.
ruclips.net/video/2VFCNxqVR3Q/видео.html
T-8 is the cats meow love mine
I heard cbn stone wheels are better than diamond, diamond wears out and then doesn't cut as good as cbn
Bit of an odd question but do you think this system could handle Swords and things like that? I like to collect but sometimes they don't come anywhere close to sharp and they're a pain to fix so I'm looking for something new.
This system would work for swords but you would pretty much need to do it freehand or make/modify a jig to help hold it. You could possibly attach piece of wood or plastic to the axe jig that would help you to draw the sword blade across the stone evenly.
They should definitely make a jig for swords. People spend crazy money on their sword collections and to polish one sword one time can cost what a tormek costs brand new. Tormek would bring in many new customers this way.
That's a sweet machine. It's like a metallurgical polishing table. The tool does the work and gives you the angle you're after, with a hollow the size of a sheet of paper. What more do you want?
The slow speed with the water bath is what lets you keep the heat-treat on the steel and keep the wheel from loading up.
People freak out about getting that mirror polished edge. A tiny bit of tooth on the blade is like micro-serrations, plus you can leather hone it away.
The only step up from a Tormek is dedicated machine equipment like a milling machine or a surface grinder. You go from a $1000 assembly, to a $15,000 assembly.
Thank you for the video, it was great. Have you used the side of the DF250 to flatten the back of a chisel and/or a plane blade? Thanks, Neil
The side of the wheels are fantastic for flattening the back of a chisel or plane
@@rowanfernsler9725 Many thanks Rowan.
do tormek have a stone to sharpen inside of a v tool cutter do you know.
I do belive differ sizes of wheels for stropping at least....
Don’t sharpen the inside of your V... you may want to dress it once with some diamond files, but hopefully never have to touch it again, except with a strop
haidafella the grinder and tools I use are setup to sharpen the inside only, the tooling is from a company called intorex if you check out the website it’ll give you an better idea
Are you still using the tormek or something else?
Still using the Tormek. I sold the T-4. Just use the T-8 now
LOLOLOLOLOL......It doesn't matter if it's concave, convex, scandi. This is a very good product
I dunno if you guys know but some of his most watched videos are on knife sharpening.
what's your point?
@@HarleyWood23 Been watching a lot of your knife sharpening videos lately so I've heard it many times and it's embedded in my head lol. Just picked up a Tormek T8 yesterday and largely based my decision on your videos.. exceptionally impressed with it so far, I just need to work on keeping my knife blades on the center of the stone and not touching the edges. I was torn between Tormek and Wicked Edge and so glad I went Tormek!
@@WoobAu
Haha. Do i say that all the time? Awesome man. The T8 is a big investment, but it'll last you a lifetime. Glad you like it as much as I do.
You just cost me $1400 on a Tormek system..................hope your happy, I'm sure I will be.
Ha. You’ll never regret it. What all did you get?
me too. his videos are costly. 1 tormek t8, 2 extra stone wheels, a rotating base, and many jigs 😭
I got the T8, and now have 5 wheels,and the Japanese water stone, awesome
Thank you for sharing this video. In your experience, does the diamond wheel "hog" off steel faster then the 220/1000 stone?
Rusty Gunn 7
My diamond stone is the 600 grit. I’d say it’s comparable to the 220 on the regular stone
I can tell that this great American knows his stuff!!! I'm following!!!
LadyCroMag BuntCitch
Thank you. Appreciate you watching
does this work on higher grade pocket knifes (got a m390 steel knife which is pretty hard, my old normal stones won't even touch it it seems).
Voliere-info.nl
Yes. I have a Steel Will and a TRC knife, both in M390. Sharpens then with no problem.
@@HarleyWood23 still can't decide to get a tormek (T8 probarly) or get a WE, i don't have the hand steadiness to use traditional whetstone. But the tormek still had a bit of "hand influence" on the angle, where a WE system takes that out, and WE has more options to go to finer grinds...
On the other side, the tormek can sharpen my axes/chisels to when needed....
Voliere-info.nl
All true. The Tormek is also exponentially faster. To some that may not be as important. You can’t make a bad choice either way. Thanks for watching man.
@@HarleyWood23 hi, thanks for your fast response, eventually decided to get the WE, getting the angle locekd it did it for me, maybe i get a tormek later to start practice on the chisels and axe before i do knives on it :)
Okay ... I give up ... but why doesn't that particular stone ever need truing?
Captain Ron
It’s not a stone. It’s a diamond-coated steel wheel.
@@HarleyWood23 Okay. I'm a rookie and I like your videos. So I'm guessing that these diamond-coated steel wheels never go out of true? This might seem like a silly question to some but I sincerely don't understand how you can grid something against something else and not have some kind of wear ... eventually. Cheers.
@@priayief The wheel is a metal wheel covered with diamond dust glued to it. The wear on the stone is either the actual wear of the microdiamonds or the falling from the wheel of the dust. Either way after no dust left the wheel is kaput.
Lol the fly.
Have you tried the new CBN wheels sold by Woodturners Wonders?
Perfekt
BUT MUH WORKSHARP!!!
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Work shsrp is cheaper then Tormek, work shsrp have produced manuel sharpners and belt sharpners as well, when your sharpning on a tormek your still Removing metal your have contradicted yourself with those comments,
That wheel moves too damn slow to get any professional work done. I do Iike that they are offering better abrasives, they must have decided to use diamond over CBN to save cost and the detriments of diamond used with friction and heat on steel are negated by the super low speed. Harley you should check out this machine.
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ruclips.net/video/Oqn7vcByIgo/видео.html
Its a diamond wheel that actual gets stuff done but costs a few thousand dollars, yikes.
Thanks for the info. I don’t mind the Tormek’s speed. If I was building knives from raw stock, I agree, this would be too slow. However, I just use it to keep my knives sharp and occasionally fix chips. It does all that in just a few minutes. Here’s a pretty nasty chip I fixed quickly. ruclips.net/video/fPFtAkmqoOQ/видео.html
Not quite sure I agree. I have the T8 and in the 200 grit setting in removes dents in knives pretty quickly - but of course as Harley pointed out stock removal is not the intended use. I doubt that any other sharpening system is faster than the T8. And also, the great advantage is you can sharpen everything except chainsaw chains and saw blades.
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Cbn wheels
My Work Sharp Adjust can do everything that system does and it was only $50 ...
There ya go 😏
Axes? Machetes? Serrated blades? Scissors? Tools?
I have both, and they have their pluses and minuses.
Where's your Work Sharp made? China? If I can get something made somewhere other than China that's what I'll buy.
How Many knife Can you sharpen ?
@@quantin2500 My comments was sarcasm...
But ...to answer your question I'd say for the average guy it's fine . That said their diamond grit doesn't hold up to well. I use lapping adhesive or tape with sandpaper to reprofile my blades with it.
Honestly it's just a lansky that's built a bit more accurate. If a guy has a lansky system don't buy it.
@@Airik1111bibles Hooo sorry, I see, yes I agree with that yes I dont understand everytime, ( im french and translation Can be rude ), yes your right
work sharps suck!
You shouldn’t use oil or water on diamond stones. Rust
It’s a nickel coated wheel and Tormek supply an anti rust additive, you keep reusing the water in this instance.
The wheels come with a rust inhibiter. Tormek advises using water with these wheels.