The JKD stance is such that you are a very difficult target to hit, yet you can "explode" into an attack depending on what is thrown at you. The interpretation of JKD is "way of the intercepting fist" meaning when some street fighting bum throws a typical wild swinging punch at you, you can intercept this punch and throw back your lead hand as a block and punch at the same time. I am a 61 year old and first studied Wado Ryu karate before moving to JKD. Man, you are one of the very few on RUclips who has actually got the on guard stance right and it's counters correct.
Great explanation! I'd like to add that the closer you are to your opponent, the more you should open the stance, because you typically move around your opponent instead of towards and away from him as you do with this stance when you are in a medium or longer distance
Thank you! This is the way I was originally taught to stand at my old school, but my current instructor teaches a more squared stance, which I assume is because he was taught a more muay thai/silat focused style of JKD. I'm fine with it but I prefer the more bladed, fencer-like stance that you demonstrate here for the reasons you explained.
Good video. People will continue to do what ever they want and call it JKD by claiming it's about freedom of motion and expressing their stile... IFO Frankfurt keep it up that way !
Ted Wong and Dan Inosanto assisted Bruce Lee with all of the photographs contained in the book, Bruce Lee's Fighting Method. There are photographs of Lee presenting HIS bai jong stance from several angles. Those photographs were taken in 1966, and subsequent photos (e.g., 1967-1973) of Lee in the bai jong stance mirror the photos in the fighting methods book. The stance presented in this video is clearly Ted Wong's version of Bruce Lee's bai jong stance and Wong's bai jong has several limitations. The biggest limitation is that by placing the lead elbow close to the body, the Hammer Principle is basically removed from the JKD arsenal. The Hammer Principle is the most effective way to deliver JKD's bread and butter striking technique (e.g., finger jab), but Wong's bai long stance increases the distance it takes to deliver the lead hand strike or finger jab. Bruce also never chambered his strikes or kicks, yet Ted took the less direct route to striking by having his lead arm/hand in a pre-chambered position. In a real life combat situation, Wong's bai jong stance leaves less margin for error.
There are few errors in your post due to missinormation. First of all, the all fotos were taken, 1966, its stated in the book itself. Second, the stance in the book is form 1966, which was later slightly alltered, and changed, like putting the elebow to the body, for covering the ribs and maximum relaxation, not for pre chanbering. You would know that, once you do thousands of repetioons, and try to do it from elbow forward, you tens up pretty quickly in the shoulder, because it never relaxes, and it slows you down. In a real life situation you attack form a neutral stance any way, you dont bring your hand forward to warn your opponent, this in not a ring fight situation. Third, hammer principal is is utter non sense. Why, because Bruce taught it to people who fought in tournaments, for making points, not knocking out an opponent. Garry Dill taught the hammer principal to Tommy Carruthers, once Tommy foung out from other Bruces student, that the hammer prinzipal wasnt for effectivenes, but for making points, he confronted Dill with that, and Dill didnt know what to say.
@@ThomasMarxJKD Dan Inosanto nicknamed Bob Bremer as "Chinatown's Number 1 Asskicker" and Bruce Lee only taught Bremer the Hammer Principle. Bob never competed in tournaments and the Hammer Principle was Lee's main tool to end a street fight in a matter of seconds. Gary Dill never even met Bruce Lee, Dan Inosanto and Ted Wong were never even aware of the Hammer Principle until the early 90's, and Lee never taught the Hammer Principle to tournament fighters Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, and/or Mike Stone. Speaking of the early 90's, Bremer stated in an interview that he attempted to teach Tommy Carruthers the Hammer Principle and the lead leg obstruction, but Tommy allegedly came off as a know it all who wasn't interested in learning anything new. The following link is to a clip of a 63 year old Bob Bremer demonstrating the Hammer Principle on the late, great JKD instructor Dave Carnell. Notice how Bremer's bai jong stance is the same small phasic bent knee stance that Bruce Lee taught to ALL of his students at his Oakland and Chinatown schools. ruclips.net/video/nzhRrG98XsI/видео.html&ab_channel=JKDWednesdayNightGroup
@@pjtheory a yeah, I think it was not Gary dill but Bob Bramber who was confronted by Tommy, I need to check that with Tommy. How ever hammer prinzipal is bs, and the video... Lets put it this way, I have a very low opinion about it.
@@ThomasMarxJKD You're certainly entitled to your opinion about the "correct" bai jong or whether the Hammer Principle is an effective technique, but what it is not in dispute is that Bruce Lee favored the finger jab in a street fight. Dan Inosanto, Joe Lewis, and several other martial artists/students have stated that Lee's main hand tool was the finger jab. According to Bob Bremer, Bruce told him that the Hammer Principle was the perfect delivery system for the finger jab. Bob, Tim Tackett, and Jim Sewell started the Wednesday Night Group in the early 90's, and Bremer focused on teaching students the Hammer Principle and the lead leg obstruction. The following video link is of Bremer student Jeremy Lynch demonstrating the Hammer Principle. ruclips.net/video/ItK_g76Hf2E/видео.html&ab_channel=JKDWednesdayNightGroup
@@pjtheory The hammer principal has poor powerline, doesnt matter what the jkd concepts lineage claims, they are mixing tonns of stuff anyways.Finger jab can be done from any position. Now this matter is closed.
It seems to me that many people don't appreciate how Spring loaded this stance is. There's a subtle release of the tissues that allows it to have this quality of being hunkered down and yet mobile for change. I'm still learning this,and I feel it takes time to develop this quality and hold it during motion. Thank you.
Great video, clearing up the misconception of the stance. I’ve recently started doing a lot of study and personal research in what made the Bijong Stance significant, and the differences I see with the modern square stance. I will give my opinion and say that more squared stance offers more lateral mobility since your feet are wider apart similar to MMa stances where it’s a modified kickboxing stance where it’s squarer to guard leg kicks and sprawl. However I’m confused at @1:07 when your in the wrong stance, a wider MMA stance (modified longguard for lateral mobility) why would you have have to blade your body and turn to move forward? Even if the stance is wrong why would you do this turn and step? Again talking about the wrong stance, which is just a wider stance MMA style, TJ dilashaw has a similar square stance with great mobility and his rival cody garbrant. It is wrong for JKD, but bad as a stance? When your able to check kick, move laterally forward and still be 50/50 balanced. Again you are more square and your lose the straight lead but you now have more equal weapons with your hands in terms of option. If I look at this it seems the bijong stance is a little too bladed and one side dominant where with the other stance you can use your other hand and transition into grappling. I know the premise in JKD is to be linear and to the point no rules but what happens when the eye jab misses or the jet tek gets jammed or etc? Thank you again for breakdown clearing that up, but If you could elaborate on the difference and how one stance is better for the transitional ranges of fighting cuz it seems from my short limited research in the stance in particular it’s more like savate footwork and boxing but emphasis on the dominant side. Not much on transition from grappling or the cross or am I missing something?
Somewhere I saw the Jun fan or jkd style some guy had his thumb and last finger out and all the other fingers clenched and he kept his hands and legs moving is this jkd
@@ThomasMarxJKD I understand. Then please do another video about the jeet kune do stance, please. It is very important. Wikipedia said: "Bruce Lee fought in a side southpaw horse stance. " That is my biggest doubt. Should your dominant hand be in front or in the back and above all why? Please, answer my question in a video, please.
While this looks photographically correct - this stance doesn't hold up to other martial arts these days. While effective in darting in or throwing a really easily countered O'ou Tek, this stance no longer serves the purpose you're thinking it does. Also using Ron Balicki's image in the thumbnail and then not even doing it like him is disingenuous. Your stance resembled Bas Rutten's stance - which was for sport - more then Sifu Ron's stance here. Do better - you've got good content, no need to mud-sling.
The pic is sreen shot from a JKD video, where supposed JKD stance is explained, which differs wildly from Bruces JKD stance, as I explained in the video. Thats why its relevant, because it supposed to be THE JKD stance and its hugely misinformative. So you can see tons of people standing this way and thinking they are training actually JKD stance. I think every serious JKD practitioner should posses fighting method books. Also, if you actually watch today's martial arts, as soon these guys start to move fast, they go in a fencing position by its nature. Also its pretty ignorant, saying it wouldnt hold up against modern martial arts, when these are clearly limited, dont have to worry getting kicked in the balls. Once you would implement this, you would quickly see them changing their stance to prevent that. The stance originates from the needs, if there is no need to protect the groin area, you can stand wider open. But this is only a artificial situation, resulting from the regulation of the martial arts organisation. Also claiming that, would give you a permission to teach anything an call it JKD, because actuall JKD isnt up to date, which is nonsense and only a marketing tool selling as much as you can, to as many as you can.
“Do better” the nerve of your phoney hobbyist JKD guys is unbelievable. I saw your poor attempt at a finger jab, you just fucked around during the whole video. We get it. You’re indoctrinated by all the mma bullshit you do, you don’t train like Bruce, never did and never have. You dismiss something that Bruce himself spend hundreds of hours and thousands of reps doing over the course of multiple years. No surprise, you’re an Inosanto student after all, just like Ron baliki. It’s people like you that are causing further harm and misrepresentation of JKD. And having people on like sensei Seth making a mockery of JKD from the tao of JKD.. of all books, doesn’t help either. I’m not surprised nobody takes JKD seriously with people like you guys misrepresenting it. You really ought to try and take lessons from Tommy. All you non IFO JKD guys are missing the things needed to make it work. Next time you try demonstrating something like a finger jab, do it properly, and don’t make a mockery of a technique you’ve never spent any significant time training. If you’re ever in Germany, try and take lessons from Thomas, or look up John Paul Daily who is in the USA. You’d benefit from it.
your understanding of the jkd stance is very limited, too rigid, and you can impress too little strength from there. I understand the right stance is the one that fits with the wepons you posess
Show us your pro skills micael. You think you’re better than an instructor Tommy Carruthers lol I bet you don’t even know what JKD is. You have no videos on your channel or a profile picture.
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The JKD stance is such that you are a very difficult target to hit, yet you can "explode" into an attack depending on what is thrown at you. The interpretation of JKD is "way of the intercepting fist" meaning when some street fighting bum throws a typical wild swinging punch at you, you can intercept this punch and throw back your lead hand as a block and punch at the same time. I am a 61 year old and first studied Wado Ryu karate before moving to JKD. Man, you are one of the very few on RUclips who has actually got the on guard stance right and it's counters correct.
Tommy Carruthers taught me...
Great explanation! I'd like to add that the closer you are to your opponent, the more you should open the stance, because you typically move around your opponent instead of towards and away from him as you do with this stance when you are in a medium or longer distance
True...
Thank you! This is the way I was originally taught to stand at my old school, but my current instructor teaches a more squared stance, which I assume is because he was taught a more muay thai/silat focused style of JKD. I'm fine with it but I prefer the more bladed, fencer-like stance that you demonstrate here for the reasons you explained.
Good video. People will continue to do what ever they want and call it JKD by claiming it's about freedom of motion and expressing their stile...
IFO Frankfurt keep it up that way !
Ted Wong and Dan Inosanto assisted Bruce Lee with all of the photographs contained in the book, Bruce Lee's Fighting Method. There are photographs of Lee presenting HIS bai jong stance from several angles. Those photographs were taken in 1966, and subsequent photos (e.g., 1967-1973) of Lee in the bai jong stance mirror the photos in the fighting methods book. The stance presented in this video is clearly Ted Wong's version of Bruce Lee's bai jong stance and Wong's bai jong has several limitations. The biggest limitation is that by placing the lead elbow close to the body, the Hammer Principle is basically removed from the JKD arsenal. The Hammer Principle is the most effective way to deliver JKD's bread and butter striking technique (e.g., finger jab), but Wong's bai long stance increases the distance it takes to deliver the lead hand strike or finger jab. Bruce also never chambered his strikes or kicks, yet Ted took the less direct route to striking by having his lead arm/hand in a pre-chambered position. In a real life combat situation, Wong's bai jong stance leaves less margin for error.
There are few errors in your post due to missinormation.
First of all, the all fotos were taken, 1966, its stated in the book itself.
Second, the stance in the book is form 1966, which was later slightly alltered, and changed, like putting the elebow to the body, for covering the ribs and maximum relaxation, not for pre chanbering. You would know that, once you do thousands of repetioons, and try to do it from elbow forward, you tens up pretty quickly in the shoulder, because it never relaxes, and it slows you down. In a real life situation you attack form a neutral stance any way, you dont bring your hand forward to warn your opponent, this in not a ring fight situation.
Third, hammer principal is is utter non sense. Why, because Bruce taught it to people who fought in tournaments, for making points, not knocking out an opponent. Garry Dill taught the hammer principal to Tommy Carruthers, once Tommy foung out from other Bruces student, that the hammer prinzipal wasnt for effectivenes, but for making points, he confronted Dill with that, and Dill didnt know what to say.
@@ThomasMarxJKD Dan Inosanto nicknamed Bob Bremer as "Chinatown's Number 1 Asskicker" and Bruce Lee only taught Bremer the Hammer Principle. Bob never competed in tournaments and the Hammer Principle was Lee's main tool to end a street fight in a matter of seconds. Gary Dill never even met Bruce Lee, Dan Inosanto and Ted Wong were never even aware of the Hammer Principle until the early 90's, and Lee never taught the Hammer Principle to tournament fighters Joe Lewis, Chuck Norris, and/or Mike Stone. Speaking of the early 90's, Bremer stated in an interview that he attempted to teach Tommy Carruthers the Hammer Principle and the lead leg obstruction, but Tommy allegedly came off as a know it all who wasn't interested in learning anything new. The following link is to a clip of a 63 year old Bob Bremer demonstrating the Hammer Principle on the late, great JKD instructor Dave Carnell. Notice how Bremer's bai jong stance is the same small phasic bent knee stance that Bruce Lee taught to ALL of his students at his Oakland and Chinatown schools. ruclips.net/video/nzhRrG98XsI/видео.html&ab_channel=JKDWednesdayNightGroup
@@pjtheory a yeah, I think it was not Gary dill but Bob Bramber who was confronted by Tommy, I need to check that with Tommy. How ever hammer prinzipal is bs, and the video... Lets put it this way, I have a very low opinion about it.
@@ThomasMarxJKD You're certainly entitled to your opinion about the "correct" bai jong or whether the Hammer Principle is an effective technique, but what it is not in dispute is that Bruce Lee favored the finger jab in a street fight. Dan Inosanto, Joe Lewis, and several other martial artists/students have stated that Lee's main hand tool was the finger jab. According to Bob Bremer, Bruce told him that the Hammer Principle was the perfect delivery system for the finger jab. Bob, Tim Tackett, and Jim Sewell started the Wednesday Night Group in the early 90's, and Bremer focused on teaching students the Hammer Principle and the lead leg obstruction. The following video link is of Bremer student Jeremy Lynch demonstrating the Hammer Principle.
ruclips.net/video/ItK_g76Hf2E/видео.html&ab_channel=JKDWednesdayNightGroup
@@pjtheory The hammer principal has poor powerline, doesnt matter what the jkd concepts lineage claims, they are mixing tonns of stuff anyways.Finger jab can be done from any position. Now this matter is closed.
It seems to me that many people don't appreciate how Spring loaded this stance is. There's a subtle release of the tissues that allows it to have this quality of being hunkered down and yet mobile for change. I'm still learning this,and I feel it takes time to develop this quality and hold it during motion. Thank you.
Only if you dont understand the benefits you dont appreciate it. Or if you have some other hidden agenda, like promoting something else...
Great content as always!
very imformative,very clear explainations..thank you..watching from Philippines
Great video, clearing up the misconception of the stance. I’ve recently started doing a lot of study and personal research in what made the Bijong Stance significant, and the differences I see with the modern square stance. I will give my opinion and say that more squared stance offers more lateral mobility since your feet are wider apart similar to MMa stances where it’s a modified kickboxing stance where it’s squarer to guard leg kicks and sprawl. However I’m confused at @1:07 when your in the wrong stance, a wider MMA stance (modified longguard for lateral mobility) why would you have have to blade your body and turn to move forward? Even if the stance is wrong why would you do this turn and step? Again talking about the wrong stance, which is just a wider stance MMA style, TJ dilashaw has a similar square stance with great mobility and his rival cody garbrant. It is wrong for JKD, but bad as a stance? When your able to check kick, move laterally forward and still be 50/50 balanced. Again you are more square and your lose the straight lead but you now have more equal weapons with your hands in terms of option. If I look at this it seems the bijong stance is a little too bladed and one side dominant where with the other stance you can use your other hand and transition into grappling. I know the premise in JKD is to be linear and to the point no rules but what happens when the eye jab misses or the jet tek gets jammed or etc? Thank you again for breakdown clearing that up, but If you could elaborate on the difference and how one stance is better for the transitional ranges of fighting cuz it seems from my short limited research in the stance in particular it’s more like savate footwork and boxing but emphasis on the dominant side. Not much on transition from grappling or the cross or am I missing something?
I have done videos on close range fighting....
Realmente buena la explicacion del sensei..enseña muy bien..
Always informative. Thank you
What if someone tries to turn kick your closed stance?
What do you mean? If he does a turn kick? Either intercept using push shuffle and lead, or retreat step and then counter. Two examples.
Somewhere I saw the Jun fan or jkd style some guy had his thumb and last finger out and all the other fingers clenched and he kept his hands and legs moving is this jkd
No, It's Hollywood
@@ThomasMarxJKD yeah I spotted somewhere in mortal kombat it was a Shaolin monk who did it
@@ThomasMarxJKD is it effective in any way or is it risky?
What?
@@ThomasMarxJKD I mean is it really effective a fist like that
Can jkd stance in orthodox?
If you are left handed. The strong side is leading.
Ouh..because i see lot of people use jkd stance in (southpaw) i think jkd stance can't use orthdox stance,Thank for information."
Yeah, this is comon especially by jkd concepts people, where they actually use stances from other martial arts, thats how this comes.
✌thanks for the explanation
Thomas, what angle should the rear foot be in the JKD stance?
About 45... No exact science...
Thanks, Thomas!
Just making sure I got it right. So the rear foot is turned in 45 degrees, right?
@@zetareticulan321 Towards front right, about, yes, but no exact science...
Got it, thanks again.
The sound is not very good, I am sorry to say.
Thats older videos, there is no way to change the sound now...
@@ThomasMarxJKD I understand. Then please do another video about the jeet kune do stance, please. It is very important.
Wikipedia said: "Bruce Lee fought in a side southpaw horse stance. "
That is my biggest doubt.
Should your dominant hand be in front or in the back and above all why?
Please, answer my question in a video, please.
What a coincidence, latest video is about the stance...
@@ThomasMarxJKD Oh, I will review it right now.
Thanks in advance.
Awesome
👍🏻
While this looks photographically correct - this stance doesn't hold up to other martial arts these days. While effective in darting in or throwing a really easily countered O'ou Tek, this stance no longer serves the purpose you're thinking it does.
Also using Ron Balicki's image in the thumbnail and then not even doing it like him is disingenuous. Your stance resembled Bas Rutten's stance - which was for sport - more then Sifu Ron's stance here. Do better - you've got good content, no need to mud-sling.
The pic is sreen shot from a JKD video, where supposed JKD stance is explained, which differs wildly from Bruces JKD stance, as I explained in the video. Thats why its relevant, because it supposed to be THE JKD stance and its hugely misinformative. So you can see tons of people standing this way and thinking they are training actually JKD stance. I think every serious JKD practitioner should posses fighting method books. Also, if you actually watch today's martial arts, as soon these guys start to move fast, they go in a fencing position by its nature. Also its pretty ignorant, saying it wouldnt hold up against modern martial arts, when these are clearly limited, dont have to worry getting kicked in the balls. Once you would implement this, you would quickly see them changing their stance to prevent that. The stance originates from the needs, if there is no need to protect the groin area, you can stand wider open. But this is only a artificial situation, resulting from the regulation of the martial arts organisation. Also claiming that, would give you a permission to teach anything an call it JKD, because actuall JKD isnt up to date, which is nonsense and only a marketing tool selling as much as you can, to as many as you can.
“Do better” the nerve of your phoney hobbyist JKD guys is unbelievable. I saw your poor attempt at a finger jab, you just fucked around during the whole video. We get it. You’re indoctrinated by all the mma bullshit you do, you don’t train like Bruce, never did and never have. You dismiss something that Bruce himself spend hundreds of hours and thousands of reps doing over the course of multiple years.
No surprise, you’re an Inosanto student after all, just like
Ron baliki. It’s people like you that are causing further harm and misrepresentation of JKD.
And having people on like sensei Seth making a mockery of JKD from the tao of JKD.. of all books, doesn’t help either.
I’m not surprised nobody takes JKD seriously with people like you guys misrepresenting it.
You really ought to try and take lessons from Tommy. All you non IFO JKD guys are missing the things needed to make it work.
Next time you try demonstrating something like a finger jab, do it properly, and don’t make a mockery of a technique you’ve never spent any significant time training.
If you’re ever in Germany, try and take lessons from Thomas, or look up John Paul Daily who is in the USA. You’d benefit from it.
your understanding of the jkd stance is very limited, too rigid, and you can impress too little strength from there. I understand the right stance is the one that fits with the wepons you posess
Oh boy, oh boy
Show us your pro skills micael. You think you’re better than an instructor Tommy Carruthers lol
I bet you don’t even know what JKD is. You have no videos on your channel or a profile picture.