Why The Bad Batch Finale Is EXTREMELY Important
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2021
- This week Michael and Greg walk through the insanely heartfelt finale of Disney's The Bad Batch. They break down the importance it brings to the Star Wars universe and ultimately get distracted and start talking about tweets, nicknames, and more.
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When Michael tried to get Greg to talk on the fake phone with the fake tattoo removal company and he for real panicked a little….
I felt that.
Going to pin this comment 😂
It was like my mom asking if I wanted to talk on the phone with my grandparents..NO 😂
@@GoGetterGreg Anyone tries handing me a phone mid-conversation I duck and cover 😂
@@GoGetterGreg but its her birthday... she may not be here next year... GREG!! WHERE ARE YOU RUNNING!?
Once we hit "I lost the footage for the intro" I knew we were in for a good episode this week
Young Pershing could become an assistant to Nala Se in season 2, and that could be why he shows so much compassion towards Grogu when he's experimenting on him
I love how you guys look at this show. So many people, especially the big creators online don’t understand what’s so great about the bad batch. They want those flashy lights and only the big spectacles and cameos and characters so bad that they miss what’s so great about the series. They couldn’t have cared less about hunter or omega from the start that they refuse to take the visor off and see the great aspects of this new kind of Star Wars because that’s not why they tuned in to begin with. It’s honestly really disappointing that so many people are missing some fantastic content. So excited for the next season
I like how the finale episodes added weight to the filler episodes. Crosshair was like 'you buggered around the galaxy doing odd jobs when you could have rescued me.' It added weight to the choice that TBB chose not to rescue Crosshair
He did mention that but he also mentioned their board with all the chalk markings on it too. Are you possibly referring to the chalk board missions line in your comment perhaps? It went like this: "All those missions together...and you threw it away." He's referring to the missions they did together back when he was still with the Batch, wasn't really about the missions they did after he was no longer with him.
OMG Love your icon! HORDAK! SHE-RA 2018 WOO
I love how they basically did a hybrid of both The Clone Wars & Rebels storytelling styles for The Bad Batch. I think that's amazing. It's a perfect blend of two great animated shows! :D
My favorite extreme sport is trying not to laugh while listening to the show at work
Another banger of an episode! Love your show, your take on the Bad Batch Finale, you sense of humor and Greg’s pants
Um, that bit at the beginning was EVEN BETTER than the original tattoo removal bit from a few weeks ago. Didn't think it could get any funnier, and yet it did. Well done. Also, hawt Howzer shirt. Also also, I love Greg's commitment to Halloween; my favorite season, so I dig it.
I am completely on board with your theory about Crosshair trying to hurt Hunter emotionally because he "takes things so personally" - it makes sense like the way my brother accuses me of being thin-skinned and unable to take a joke, and then purposely teases me to press exactly those buttons.
Yall are also so right about "I understand you but don't agree with you" being such a common theme in Star Wars.
Ok if you've read this far I'm grateful for your attention. I just love your whole discussion of the slow-burn storytelling style, because it's how I recognize it and it's so nice to see someone on the interwebz appreciate it the way I do. I've kept feeling like people who say BB was mostly filler and boring were just not paying attention to the subtlety. People seem to be too used to lots of action and really quick and obvious character development, but that's not what this show is. My husband pointed out that it's a lot more like British shows like Doctor Who and older stuff like Star Trek Voyager and DS9. I think he's right, and it's really refreshing to see something more subtle and drawn out coming to the fore. I also think your assessment that the Disney+ shows are being used to stitch the movies together is spot on.
Filler! Michael is right, the filler in this season was much better used than in other shows. You always see at least one of the guys or Omega learn something in each episode, even the "filler" ones. Whether it's Hunter learning to do the right thing in the tactical droid episode or Echo learning that it's time to let go of the old war's battle lines in the Separatist senator episode. Every episode contributes to them learning to understand and maybe eventually forgive Crosshair.
LOL your 5-year-olds joke probably hit badly because you went soooo hard on it and drew it out for soooo long. I'm a tabletop gamer, and yeah in my comment on last week's video I was like "It's a shame Michael is so wrong" (also a joke, meant tongue-in-cheek) but seriously one dude ripping on tabletop games isn't going to ruin my world. I'll just be over here with my fellow 5-year-olds in our little club that you can't join cos you're 6 :P (legit though why does anybody listen to the audio only version when there's an awesome video version? Why wouldn't you want to appreciate Greg wearing pants? Oh and the set is cool too I guess)
Listen, you made a million good points and I agree with you and appreciate you BUT I have to say one thing: I wasn't bashing tabletops. I was bashing Life, Uno, Monopoly, etc lol. Family board game night games. I even mentioned that but got cut off and then distracted lol. Thank you for your breakdown and compliments ❤️ Happy 6th birthday. You've graduated
@@RexinAround Ok that's a fair point too :) LOL thanks, I'm super proud to be 6 now! Thanks for taking the time to read my whole Great American Novel of a comment and to respond!
I’d like to add a theory to Crosshair’s character development: his behaviour up until the point where he was injured in the engine explosion was very harsh and aggressive towards the bad batch, however after the injury he has been slowly softening towards them.
He sustained his injury to the right side of his head which is the same side as the inhibitor chip. Was his chip damaged in the explosion and this has allowed him to start to fight against it somewhat? The chip is still there but it is damaged and malfunctioning.
Greg was absolutely KILLING it with the Fit Game on this episode. I had to cop that shirt as soon as he showed it off/started talking about it.
Agree 100% with the weaving analogy & "filler episodes". The loose threads of Rex, Howzer, the Martez sistahs, Cad, Fennec, Ryloth and maybe even Muchi & the dianoga? (ok, maybe not the last two) :P Nipples are canon in SW :D The convo starting at 42:24 lol. :)
I have a feeling they'll also do more weaving and cross weaving between live action shows and the Bad Batch, so we may not have to wait until BB S2 to move their story along. I still need to visit Galaxy's Edge!
we all need to appreciate the fact that Michael moved the fake phone from one hand to the other....10/10 for authenticity
Absolute commitment to the bit! 👏👏🤣🤣
Enjoying the show as always, hope everyone is doing well. We all are dealing with our own struggles yet you guys continue to do a great job, take care. Also I enjoyed the helmet video the other day Michael, very informative. (I tend to get inside my head and post clearly😳🤦🏻♂️😆)
the bad batch songs were PHENOMENAL this season omfg
"no i'm making a dope metaphor, follow me" was so funny to me😭😭
I had a different view of that Crosshair save - afterwards they did have their weps out BUT they could have easily shot him before he even fired since he delayed. I felt he was kinda stunned that even though all that happened they still either trusted him not to kill Hunter OR just did NOT want to fire on their friend.
The reason why that mountain at the end is cool and important is that it was confirmed to be Mt Tantiss on the planet Weyland from the Thrawn Trilogy (see the Star Wars Explained tweet). I don’t know how much you two like Thrawn, but that’s a huge thing. With this, plus casting rumors, plus what we known about the Mandalorian-verse future, it’s pretty close to certain now that Disney is setting up a new Thrawn campaign, which is massive to us Legends and Thrawn lovers.
I'll never understand all the hate the D-Squad arc gets. Personally, I've always loved it and I know a good bit of other fellow fans do too. We always have a lot of fun talking about it, celebrating it and still learning new things about that arc from Gascon's VA (& the VA of Tarkin!!), Stephen Stanton, over on Twitter! ;D
The only arc in season 5 I don’t get bored of rewatching
@@emregumus4593 Oh wow, interesting to hear that, haha! That's a bold statement to make as there is so much other great stuff that happens in that season too, but that's awesome to hear, truly!! 😅👍 Sometimes, it's a lot of fun to just let loose and do something wacky and inventive and not have things be so serious all the time, like how the Joker put it in the Dark Knight. 😏
It’s a great color on you Michael!
Honestly, I love it when the writers want to let loose every now and again and just explore some fun, wacky stuff in the universe. Star Wars is perfect for that sort of stuff! There's no need to be so serious and dark all the dang time when there's a mountain of unexplained, ominous, ambiguous, vague and mysterious things happening there too, constantly!! Fun Fact: It was revealed, during the Untold Clone Wars panel, that the D-squad would've eventually returned to the show, but this time they'd participate in a sort of Top Gun homage arc featuring Rex, R2 and an epic rivalry between the clone pilots and clone ground troops. One of the writers, Brent Friedman, hinted that that unfinished arc, involving Rex and paying homage to Top Gun, would've been their "most darkest & wackiest adventure" in TCW yet.
Was honestly more excited for that arc than any of the others, it sounded so so fun, mixing the best of everything of TCW into one arc!
@@emregumus4593 Amen to that! :D
all the crosshair stuff this episode and especially the scene where he saves omega and he realizes nobody trusts him inside the bad batch anymore made me so sad 😭
was finally able to sit down and watch this, such a fun episode and i loved it so much im so excited for the next eps!!! :D
Hey boys! Love the show like always. Recently split up with my long time girlfriend and was feeling lost about alot of things. Watching you guys helps ground me and makes me remember that life goes on and all will be well. Love y'all.
Awesome perspective on this season.
Me listening to Michael talk to the imaginary tattoo removal company:
“Ah, the negotiator!”
Honestly surprised I got us out of that one. They were pissed
Im happy my post cards got to you guys. I thought it got lost lol. And you both chose right; Classic Original Era for Michael and Prequel Era for Greg
Greg’s outfit is on point.
GUNDAM!!! Lots of awesome mechs and multiple series!
Thank you for another lovely show, it never fails to bring a smile to my otherwise Darkside demeanour!
That’s my favorite. I like when intimidating and otherwise dark side people like our show. Thank you!
Very nice pants, Greg. Nice matching of blacks.
(love the Bakugo knee. Couldn't stop looking at it.)
Why did Greg sound so surprised that someone made it to the end of the podcast 😂 like I love the star wars stuff, you guys totally reignited my love for the sequels and add so much positivity to the community. But you guys are so real at the end of the Star Wars stuff and I love the vibe of the second half just as much. Even if I am a 5 year old trying to get on Michael’s level! 😂 Love you guys!!
Next year you'll be 6!
Love the analysis guys! I especially love the idea of it weaving it all together, which in the long term is only going to help reinforce and enhance the sequel trilogy. Also while I don't necessarily think they have plans for this yet, all these plot points and threads that these shows are building maybe one day lead to a Episode 10-12. One day....maybe.
I really enjoyed this first season of The Bad Batch. They did leave a lot on the table that will be addressed in future episodes and I'm ok with that. I love the connections to both Clone Wars and Rebels as well as the Easter eggs for the Sequel Trilogy.
Seeing how the Empire is dealing with Raxus (a Separatist world) and Ryloth (a Republic world) was really cool where you're watching this fledgling Empire cement it's hold on the galaxy and gathering the massive amount of resources they need to build the Deathstar. I have a feeling that could cause some trouble down the line! 😊
I'm curious to learn more about Omega....there has to be more about her than being a replica of Jango Fett minus the Y chromosome.
Awesome episode dudes! Michael, I can't agree more with your take on the Bad Batch!! Love ya guys! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Gundam Unicorn and Gundam Hathaway are great modern Mecha animes. Hathaway has some amazing animation. And Hnicorn also has the best series animation as well as my favorite story overall.
“But next year I’ll be seven.”👏🏽👏🏽
no i was thinking about that even though the chip is "gone" (and i dont think it is) that why he's still so crazy loyal to the empire with the all the headaches with how much they had supercharged his chip i was thinking the exact same thing
if you wanna wanna watch modern mecha anime then you can't go wrong with Mobile Suit Gundam. the newest series is Iron-Blooded Orphans. buy some of the model kits, you'll probably enjoy working on them.
"I lost the footage for the intro..."
Legit spit take. HAHA
I can't wait for your toy review of HydraStomper and Captain Carter. Also great shirts!
You guys are so funny. I love the show. Would be so so cool to see a high Republic discussion!
Man love it all. The jokes are so good hopefully when you turn 7 they get more intense
awesome!!!!
I love the idea of doing a skit every time to introduce the show, funnier than snl
im with greg im so excited for both halloween AND cold
I WANT THE STARCRUISER SHIRT LMAOOO ITS SO GREAT
First time since the firing of Carano that I feel disappointed in our fan base again. There’s a seriously willful ignorance of a lot of what the show does great. People rush to call every episode filler, but in reality only the Rancor and Pantora one were boring at all. Even Infested is a great episode with just the wrong place in the season. 14 out of 16 episodes is not a bad ratio at all. Compared to what we got in two seasons of Mando, this show has had much more plot and character work in just one season.
They did kinda set up season two with Rex and howser
I'm hoping for a season 2 with a Bad Batch storyline and a Crosshair storyline, almost like Lord of the Rings, where lines interact but they are on their own "missions".
Came to the podcast for Greg's pants, stayed for the great vibes. Love from Europe (sorry).
This may be me being the odd one yet again but I'm even more excited for season 2 than I was back in 1x10, to say an episode. I don't know where they'll be taking us and that's exciting! For me, of course. I'm also tired of all the endless theorizing and I won't be doing it anymore. I don't want to resent creators for not giving me what *I* want. It's their story(ies) to tell. So I'll be there when they come back because I'm super invested in the characters. I care deeply for every single one of them. Gimme the story you want to tell as long as these characters are well developed.
I was one of those that though Cross had taken his chip out after Bracca but all those shots of him rubbing his head... nah, it's still in. Which makes it all even more heartbreaking because he is STILL a victim of the Empire while he's acting like their pawn. He's redeemable, of course (if anyone can make him come back it's Omega. There was weird something going on between in the finale) but I wonder how they're gonna make him earn that redemption. Which I guess if a biased question to ask because we pardon the Rebels for doing exactly what he's been doing (but like, the Empire is full on nazi. Ffs). Dunno.
Anyway. I became a SW fan just last year during lockdown and you guys have been the first community I've been a part of and so far, so good! I just want to talk about what I like and hear different opinions and perspectives without fanboys/girls going for my neck whenever I raise my voice. So thank you for being so inclusive, Greg and Michael. It means more than you know.
PS: AND WHERE IS HOWZER. IS HE OKAY.
the cutoff to the missing intro LOL
That was one the most convincing fake phone conversations I've ever heard. Bravo!
"Do you understand that our podcast does not get that much engagement?" LOL
Michael would make a great younger Pershing in real life! 😆 He should cosplay Pershing on the show 💯
I’m waiting till Kenobi or Andor to see if there’s anyone cooler worth cosplaying 😂
Fun Fact: George Lucas's favorite story from his show, The Clone Wars, is that D-squad arc with Gregor. Here's the original source, of where I got that, if any of you guys haven't seen this interview yet. It's a pretty fun one with Dave too!: ruclips.net/video/4NgPKSzR0LU/видео.html
Was just rewatching clone wars. Watched the finale to bad batch, and within a day watched the fives arch and got kinda annoyed. According to AZ in the fives arch, he is buoyant. So omega shouldn't have had to dive to save him because he should float. Other than that incredibly minor nitpick, I absolutely loved the finale which managed to make me want to cry by just showing a building sinking in the ocean.
Also apparently AZ can turn into a speeder, which could have been useful, but idk i kinda just think it's a weird fact everyone forgot about
I strongly feel that crosshair does have his chip still. It could be possible that overcharge of crosshairs chip has worn off and went back to its original state.
The Howzer shirt is 😎
Wowww, Michael. You did not just say that there's no new merch at Galaxy's Edge. lol
A year and a half to make more things and all they come back with is a few new shirts and plushies. Just doesn’t do it for me 😋
Did Michael fixed his glasses? I'm a few minutes in and just noticed it lol
New glasses 🤗 thanks for noticing
You should try mobile suit gundam iron blooded orphans!
. ( (admittedly knowing virtually n0thing) ) -- this fan here learned something while reading a small number of recent chonological comments ~ suited Anakin is most likely(during these canonical weeks)engaging in a bleeding of his crystal & focused construction of interest ~
. (always fashionable - no matter the decade - the Pershing bell - bottomed zoot suit)
I think Crosshair has his chip, but its complicated. I think them cranking the intensity of it's programing destroyed the chip and it was taken out. Crosshairs nature is different because it's now burnt into his personality rather than bing just a personality overlay like the rest of the clones. It hasn't always been part of him but it is now regardless. I think in time they will be able to reverse some of the damage but he will always be a bit off the rails because of it... he'll get over it though.
I think Crosshair thought they took his chip out when they actually enhanced it. But the emotional damage is interesting..
I love your outfit today Grabber Jabinbonks
Don’t worry you aren’t missing the corn fields of Iowa the only great thing is fresh corn on the side of the road
Unrelated but where did you get your glasses? I would like to buy the same pair😅😂
Eyebuydirect! So cheap!
@@RexinAround thanks for replying! 😁
@@RexinAround can you tell me the model of them?
St. Michel :)
Disney has been involved in Star Wars development since A New Hope. Disney lent George all the extra props for the Cantina scene and the giant skeleton in the Tatooine Desert to save their production. It is a relationship that led to George opening Star Tours in the parks and after that many of their film production staff were shared in development of the Prequels. George very much started developing a narrative that would attract Disney which led to him making Clone Wars. The latter seasons leading up to Clone Wars being "Canceled" is when Disney started REALLY getting involved working with George to curb the narrative towards what we are seeing today. The lightsabers the padawans built on Illum in that one arch and all the connections in Clone Wars that would have been impossible to plan without some sort of long term structure. They are identical to what ended up in Galaxy's Edge.
They don't tell directors these things like JJ cause the truth in story telling is you really really don't need to, same with the actors. The writers just have to be acquainted with the story group and the artists that move from each film/tv/cartoon like Doug Chang (who's been around since EpI) to re-enforce these background narratives. Directors are tools most of the time, like the Queen of England.
I recon one of the things George snuck in the Disney purchase contract was "If you want Star Wars you have to do these stories verbatim, but you have to take the bullet and say I had nothing to do with it. Fans are total relentless sociopaths."... then ended up becoming a majority stake holder in Disney... so I guess he still kind of owns the franchise and could easily pull out at any time... you know if he didn't expressly love what they were doing lol.
Astute and really well written. I completely agree and I think that while direction by committee proved to not work so well, the general plan is still in place
@@RexinAround I agree I think it definitely cost them compared to what they could have done with a better structure... but honestly there is a level of charm for me in the fact that until this point the ST era of development really had a lot of the same complications due to production problems like Harrison being a loose canon filming ESB and them being forced to write an escape clause to cut him from the narrative if it came down to it. I am upset that we could have gotten better sure but I have an appreciation for what we got personally.
Which is exactly why there was already a "substitute" for TCW when Rebels came out not too long after the show's cancellation. It's a shame though. What writers like Brent Friedman have revealed was that the show had 40 episodes left to go. Just 2 more season's worth of scripts left and the show would've truly been complete. A damn shame. I'm glad that we got the true and original conclusion to the entire show at least. It had a proper finish finally, even if it wasn't wholly complete.
@@Vandicoup As someone who works in animation; that is going to be the case with every well developed show no matter the circumstance. I can give examples on entire story archs that were shuffled with no idea if they would ever come back to it. One REALLY big adult cartoon.
@@peterslavik1449 Indeed. I think I sort of am aware of this. I've always heard about all these potential & official Clone Wars ideas that would either be scrapped from making it anywhere past the initial concept/idea-creation phase or just become unfinished/incomplete during any of the actual levels of production pipelines like that Boba Fett v. Cad Bane arc, Quinlan Vos & Ventress arc, etc. And oooo, spill the beans! Haha, jk. Not sure if you are allowed to. ;) And thanks for replying btw, haha
As an Iowan I can garintee that corn fields are not as fun as Disney. It is really close, but still Disney is better... just slightly.
I liked the bad batch, I just wish they had less sid missions
Oh no, The Tattoo Bit is back.
Crosshair's chip is not in his head. I'm willing to be money that it was damaged and removed after the accident he had
Such a great but still! Bahahaha
whats this tattoo removal shops name..im leaving some reviews on yelp. never seen such unprofessionalism
When the Bad Batch gets killed by Kanan in the series finale >>
Finale made me mad and I think it would have operated better as a mid season event than a finale (so 25 episode season). Waaaay too many loose ends