After seeing this and recognize how tired you guys where in Frankfurt I really feel I have to apologize that I talked your ear off and did the groupie thing when I bumped into you both at the Stans booth. ;-) It was a pleasure shaking hand in person. Greetings to Girona!
I went into shock when Russ said "there's too much bike stuff" - that is like an End Times event! It seems _a little ironic_ that there were no bikes to get around such a massive show. On the plus side, this expo facility has excellent safety features and fire exits.
A little side info about the pedals: Germany has some special rules about e-bikes. As long as it has pedals, less than 250 Watt and only accelerates up to 25 km/h, it's a so called "pedelec" and the rules are the same as for bicycles. As soon as it allows you to accelerate without pedaling, it's an e-bike which has various downsides. You need a simplified driver's license (Mofaprüfbescheinigung), a license tag, insurance and you're not allowed to use all bike paths. This is not the same in other countries, but it makes sense for companies to offer vehicles that do fall under these requirements, just so that they are bicycles by law.
@@DonnieX6 not in Belgium and the Netherlands Alot of bikes like the ones with the pinion mgu's (600watt) are sold here without any issue or license and plate requirement. Only for models that can go 45kmph or faster. There is no wattage limit.
I think that in Europe there's legally no such thing as Class II and Class III bikes as we know them in the US. So everything must be pedal-assist, must not have throttles, have a maximum power of 250 watts and a top speed of 15.5mph (25km/h). Anything above that requires licensing as a moped or motorcycle. So all those cargo bikes and bike vans are probably made to meet these regs and must be able to be pedaled.
Just visited my favourite bike shop here in France. Normally it’s full of road bikes and hybrids. This year, more electric bikes than anything. They don’t feel like bikes - more like motorbikes. I know they are only following current trends but I can’t help feeling, this is a move in the wrong direction.
I fully understand how exhausted you get,, that exhibition centre in Frankfurt is absolutely gigantic. I hope you managed to visit the old part of the city, it is so much nicer
Many thanks for going to Frankfurt, visiting the show and filming all that. I really enjoy watching your coverage. The pedals on some of those 'bikes' are there just to manage legal requirements (as many people mentioned). You do look disappointed sometimes, but as you said - there is a wide variety of people and they do enjoy their cycling in different ways. They also have different needs - some people use bikes just as a means of transport without any sentiment, others have some limitations - age/health/mobility - and just benefit from extending their range by using electric assistance. Considering this is a trade show and e-bikes are selling well in Europe (already surpassed non-e-bikes in some countries in terms of items sold, in terms of margins it must by way more) - this is what is shown. So don't be disappointed 😊 Next time come to Germany, do some bike touring before - e.g. part of EuroVelo route and while visiting Eurobike just the stands you are interested in - and of course - try some of those e-bikes 😂
I used to attend these kind of shows in Europe though from a different industry. That fair is held every 4 years. The halls are typical in Europe. And yes, they are very tiring. What you're going through is normal for huge exhibitions like this. I feel you guys.
To cherry-pick some brands at Eurobike is the best option. To cover the whole area in three days is impossible (and unnecessary). Smaller shows like Cyclingworld in Duesseldorf, Kolektif Berlin and of course Bespoked in Dresden are nice alternatives.
hope you saw met the guys from two tone amsterdam, they are into your kinda stuff. ran by an american. give the radio show on echobox a listen - mechanics of joy. great vid guys
The small electric vehicles with pedals are helping cities in Germany a lot. It is a legislation loophole that companies use. The awesome side effect is that they are much slower (safer) and less noisy than delivery trucks
Looks like the bike equivalent of the North American International Auto Show, but even bigger! The engineering job opportunities must be amazing over there. Almost no bike engineering jobs in the US. I don't want to do automotive anymore!
Thanks, I would love to see what the Bike Travelling part of the show looked like. To me, that would be the only interesting part. I was at Eurobike last year, and was really disappointed, way too many electric bikes.
I don’t know if this is funny or sad. Is the idea that the bike needed to improve enough to become a motorcycle. Feels like part of the industry is revenue driven no doubt but improvements are steering away from the essence of what it is to ride a bike. Maybe I’m old fashioned.
@@anitaried115 You are completely right. Eurobike has not much left of its heart, a nature loving cyclist who loves pedaling and sweating. It is only a mirror of the industie that wants to sell vehicles. Fahrrad/Bicykle is defined as something with 2 wheels and pedals as far as I undestood it, the multiwheel Cargovehicles e.g. ...? Starting with Mountainbikes many years ago now more or less Mopeds/Motorbikes in focus. It is a different approach and needs a different name. New mobility or something like that.
I think it does have a place in the world. In most South East Asia countries, people use regular gas motorcycles to commute. If we can replace 1/3 of it with pedal assist bicycles, there will be some more talk of building bicycle infrastructure here, which is non-existent unless you're in Singapore. I like the normal bicycle too, but one day i'll be too old, getting bad knees and back while still have to haul like 5kg+ of stuff in my backpack. So i'll be getting an e-bike rather than a motorcycle
@@luandoduy416 You're right, there is a justification for such vehicles. But that's a different topic. Here the topic of "bicycles" has been hijacked and turned into motorcycles. All of these vehicles belong at trade fairs for motorcycles and transport vehicles, but they are not welcome there because the old established manufacturers of motorized vehicles do not want to give up market share to "bicycle manufacturers + motors". The hope that cycling infrastructure will be built because there are more bikes is a dream. It has to be politically desired and while, for example, more and more people are cycling here in Germany, at the same time less is being spent on cycling infrastructure, you can clearly see what can be expected from a country.
"Kind of interesting" is the new "scheiße" . Eurobike does what our small Radreisemesse here in Braunschweig did 10years ago. It turned into shit, converting travelling by bike, that meant riding across countries human powered into pedelecgarbage, a journey to find the next Steckdose.
@@donhuber9131 It is frustrating to write this way about one chapter of cycling, especially this part that demands to represent cycling. It got harder and harder the last years to find a space where slow and experience/nature focused biketravellers can find a place of interest and to meet. I do not mean ideas to perpetually buy new bikes or so, because if there was no crash there is no necessity of buying new gear. But seeing options and getting inspiration these days is hard and rare in real life.
It would make more sense to get a vespa then one of those heavy ebikes, but my logic also tells me that I might as well get a proper motorcycle if I am going to be on the road instead of a little scooter
I’m curious if you have owned both ? I love and have owned motorcycles but for short trips, a scooter or e-bike is just going to be less of a pain in the neck to deal with on a day to day basis imho and that doesn’t even touch on the issue of expense to own and insure. IDK it could very well be motorcycles are considerably different in Europe?
@hippiebits2071 I guess my perspective is more from a safety pov, I haven't owned either because in the US it is like a death sentence to ride a motorcycle. I just figure it is better to have the power to escape a dangerous situation on a real motorcycle than a scooter.
@@roguecode2354 Yes, I have no clue what motorcycling in Europe is actually like either. What I do know is that the learning curve for riding proficiency on a motorcycle is far greater than e-bikes or a scooter. There is clutch operated shifting required (almost every motorcycle) along with precision throttle control. Handling at very low speeds is also going to be far less awkward on a scooter or e-bike. I guess it really depends on the primary use on which is better but motorcycles are far more dangerous in inexperienced hands than either of the other two.
I've owned a motercycle and a big engine scooter. The problem was , the 50mph rural roads I used became 65+ during the 00's and 10's. I don't enjoy keeping up with cars at those speeds.
Doing interviews really can be a time suck. When I go to Sea Otter to do podcast interviews, I walk away with enough to fill two shows. But I go wall to wall for two days to get it done. Show and tell ... works just as good.
Same on the velo berlin this year: Mostly cargo bikes that are only usable with their motors and e-bikes/s-pedelecs mostly in the form of the "eSUV" category (see Canyon SUV category). There was even a booth for small electric cars for leasing... Was really disappointing.
Whoa, you do look tired and I appreciate the behind-the-scenes look at how hard you had to work to cover Eurobike in a meaningful way. People who want to start a channel need to understand the work that goes into one, as do viewers, who tend to forget all that goes into creating excellent content. I hope Laura didn't hurt her arm; or does she wear the sun sleeve to keep from being bruised by the camera strap/tripod?
Great insights on the work of making the vids we love! I did, for a second or two, wonder if it was some kind of super-duper dry humor about being grumpy about what you do. Hmm. Also, how does it compare to the overwhelming feeling of the Sea Otter expo? Peace!
Well, the two major trends in the Eurobike next year will be friction shifting and rim brakes! "Reality is for people who can't face drugs", Tom Waits.
Would be nice they clearly divide human powered and engine powered products. I kind of get the idea of e-bikes, target group, and functionality... but seems like they went already too far apart from what a human powered bicycle to be shown just as "this is the new cycling"
😂 l know exactly what you two are feeling talking about!!! I've been going years ago for years to the Friedrichshafen one. You needed for sure a weekend to 4 days to see it all, and than there was so / to much of the same same... I'm not going anymore, not even to bike motion the Dutch (to me to conservative to roady...) To much and to much of the same stuff. The last years l went, l just did one day to see my partners or new possible partners (as testrider & bike coach) appointment. I think for your interest have a look the bike show in VeloBerlin and Bespoke in Manchester.
It appears the bike market is moving towards needing more cargo movers as the “eco-friendly “ way to move goods & services. Coupled with a huge participation rate of aging bicyclists wanting motor assistance, the “ invisible hand” of the market waves again. ✌️
How do you think Eurobike would be to visit as someone not in the industry who just enjoys bikes? The only similar experience I've had would probably be Sea Otter
I guess if electric bikes get car folks to get out on two wheels, it’s a positive move forward toward better communities, but the simplicity of a human powered drivetrain can’t be under appreciated
One would think that at Euro Bike show you would transport from one area to another via test rental bikes or something close to it Russ&Laura. Don’t they know that cyclists hate walking lol??
I have second hand exhaustion from watching this. 😂
After seeing this and recognize how tired you guys where in Frankfurt I really feel I have to apologize that I talked your ear off and did the groupie thing when I bumped into you both at the Stans booth. ;-)
It was a pleasure shaking hand in person. Greetings to Girona!
Ha. No problem.
My Eurobike was great. I just took selfies with everybody and got to meet some red hot clunge.
The pen is working hard.
I went into shock when Russ said "there's too much bike stuff" - that is like an End Times event!
It seems _a little ironic_ that there were no bikes to get around such a massive show.
On the plus side, this expo facility has excellent safety features and fire exits.
A little side info about the pedals: Germany has some special rules about e-bikes. As long as it has pedals, less than 250 Watt and only accelerates up to 25 km/h, it's a so called "pedelec" and the rules are the same as for bicycles. As soon as it allows you to accelerate without pedaling, it's an e-bike which has various downsides. You need a simplified driver's license (Mofaprüfbescheinigung), a license tag, insurance and you're not allowed to use all bike paths. This is not the same in other countries, but it makes sense for companies to offer vehicles that do fall under these requirements, just so that they are bicycles by law.
Isn't the 250watt rule only for the UK?
@@headslash55 it is EU wide 250W
@@headslash55 It's also the rule in Austria, where I am from. The pedal thing does not matter here though.
@@DonnieX6 not in Belgium and the Netherlands
Alot of bikes like the ones with the pinion mgu's (600watt) are sold here without any issue or license and plate requirement. Only for models that can go 45kmph or faster.
There is no wattage limit.
@@headslash55 nah, also in Belgium and Netherlands it is 250W to be counted as a normal bikr
Thanks for all the videos you make.
Hey Russ, Im sitting on my couch, getting exhausted just watching this. Looks like all the fun of an international airport.
That’s a good analogy.
00:47 WD-40 Promo Girl looks like she thinks the day will not be SMOOTH sailing lol
So happy to see some mini velos at EuroBike!
You are moving from one terminal to another. That's how big Eurobike is always!
Looking forward to the maxway, diacomp and microshift interviews.
Microshift!
Did you find the SPD Crocs?
Love your content. Sort of seems like each floor is similar to a district in the Hunger Games.
I think that in Europe there's legally no such thing as Class II and Class III bikes as we know them in the US. So everything must be pedal-assist, must not have throttles, have a maximum power of 250 watts and a top speed of 15.5mph (25km/h). Anything above that requires licensing as a moped or motorcycle.
So all those cargo bikes and bike vans are probably made to meet these regs and must be able to be pedaled.
I want that WD-40 tshirt! 0:46
haha, the Frankfurt Messe is big enough to just live inside as pigeons for generations
Love to see you both enyoing the "Curryworst"😂 have fun
the sauce is made from ketchup with added curry powder lol
@@phililpb i know, i live in Berlin
Just visited my favourite bike shop here in France. Normally it’s full of road bikes and hybrids. This year, more electric bikes than anything. They don’t feel like bikes - more like motorbikes. I know they are only following current trends but I can’t help feeling, this is a move in the wrong direction.
I fully understand how exhausted you get,, that exhibition centre in Frankfurt is absolutely gigantic.
I hope you managed to visit the old part of the city, it is so much nicer
Seems like they should invent a technology for easily getting around large venues with wide ample walkways...
Many thanks for going to Frankfurt, visiting the show and filming all that. I really enjoy watching your coverage. The pedals on some of those 'bikes' are there just to manage legal requirements (as many people mentioned). You do look disappointed sometimes, but as you said - there is a wide variety of people and they do enjoy their cycling in different ways. They also have different needs - some people use bikes just as a means of transport without any sentiment, others have some limitations - age/health/mobility - and just benefit from extending their range by using electric assistance. Considering this is a trade show and e-bikes are selling well in Europe (already surpassed non-e-bikes in some countries in terms of items sold, in terms of margins it must by way more) - this is what is shown. So don't be disappointed 😊 Next time come to Germany, do some bike touring before - e.g. part of EuroVelo route and while visiting Eurobike just the stands you are interested in - and of course - try some of those e-bikes 😂
I used to attend these kind of shows in Europe though from a different industry. That fair is held every 4 years. The halls are typical in Europe. And yes, they are very tiring. What you're going through is normal for huge exhibitions like this. I feel you guys.
To cherry-pick some brands at Eurobike is the best option. To cover the whole area in three days is impossible (and unnecessary). Smaller shows like Cyclingworld in Duesseldorf, Kolektif Berlin and of course Bespoked in Dresden are nice alternatives.
hope you saw met the guys from two tone amsterdam, they are into your kinda stuff. ran by an american. give the radio show on echobox a listen - mechanics of joy.
great vid guys
I was deliberately watching channels I'm not subscribed to for different Eurobike content. It's good to see different points of view.
Good job 👏
The small electric vehicles with pedals are helping cities in Germany a lot. It is a legislation loophole that companies use. The awesome side effect is that they are much slower (safer) and less noisy than delivery trucks
You shouldve worn Heely's
A bike show is my worst nightmare. Bikes everywhere and nothing to for sale.
Looks like the bike equivalent of the North American International Auto Show, but even bigger! The engineering job opportunities must be amazing over there. Almost no bike engineering jobs in the US. I don't want to do automotive anymore!
Thanks, I would love to see what the Bike Travelling part of the show looked like. To me, that would be the only interesting part. I was at Eurobike last year, and was really disappointed, way too many electric bikes.
Bike travel part was really small and nothing really to report on.
Thanks
I don’t know if this is funny or sad. Is the idea that the bike needed to improve enough to become a motorcycle. Feels like part of the industry is revenue driven no doubt but improvements are steering away from the essence of what it is to ride a bike. Maybe I’m old fashioned.
Totally agree…for me a bike should be simple. No electronics, no motor.
@@anitaried115 You are completely right. Eurobike has not much left of its heart, a nature loving cyclist who loves pedaling and sweating. It is only a mirror of the industie that wants to sell vehicles. Fahrrad/Bicykle is defined as something with 2 wheels and pedals as far as I undestood it, the multiwheel Cargovehicles e.g. ...? Starting with Mountainbikes many years ago now more or less Mopeds/Motorbikes in focus. It is a different approach and needs a different name. New mobility or something like that.
I think it does have a place in the world. In most South East Asia countries, people use regular gas motorcycles to commute. If we can replace 1/3 of it with pedal assist bicycles, there will be some more talk of building bicycle infrastructure here, which is non-existent unless you're in Singapore.
I like the normal bicycle too, but one day i'll be too old, getting bad knees and back while still have to haul like 5kg+ of stuff in my backpack. So i'll be getting an e-bike rather than a motorcycle
@@luandoduy416 You're right, there is a justification for such vehicles. But that's a different topic. Here the topic of "bicycles" has been hijacked and turned into motorcycles. All of these vehicles belong at trade fairs for motorcycles and transport vehicles, but they are not welcome there because the old established manufacturers of motorized vehicles do not want to give up market share to "bicycle manufacturers + motors". The hope that cycling infrastructure will be built because there are more bikes is a dream. It has to be politically desired and while, for example, more and more people are cycling here in Germany, at the same time less is being spent on cycling infrastructure, you can clearly see what can be expected from a country.
It provides a nice glimpse of the future... Roads full of E-pods.
Sounds more like EuroWalk to me. If only there was a way to cover these distances easily by some sort of human powered vehicle…
Thank you!
Ah, half an hour of PLP goodiness, the evening is saved.
"Kind of interesting" is the new "scheiße" . Eurobike does what our small Radreisemesse here in Braunschweig did 10years ago. It turned into shit, converting travelling by bike, that meant riding across countries human powered into pedelecgarbage, a journey to find the next Steckdose.
Perfect! Thank you!
@@donhuber9131 It is frustrating to write this way about one chapter of cycling, especially this part that demands to represent cycling. It got harder and harder the last years to find a space where slow and experience/nature focused biketravellers can find a place of interest and to meet. I do not mean ideas to perpetually buy new bikes or so, because if there was no crash there is no necessity of buying new gear. But seeing options and getting inspiration these days is hard and rare in real life.
@@kaffeemitcola6506 Again, spot on!
It would make more sense to get a vespa then one of those heavy ebikes, but my logic also tells me that I might as well get a proper motorcycle if I am going to be on the road instead of a little scooter
I’m curious if you have owned both ? I love and have owned motorcycles but for short trips, a scooter or e-bike is just going to be less of a pain in the neck to deal with on a day to day basis imho and that doesn’t even touch on the issue of expense to own and insure. IDK it could very well be motorcycles are considerably different in Europe?
@hippiebits2071 I guess my perspective is more from a safety pov, I haven't owned either because in the US it is like a death sentence to ride a motorcycle. I just figure it is better to have the power to escape a dangerous situation on a real motorcycle than a scooter.
@@roguecode2354 Yes, I have no clue what motorcycling in Europe is actually like either. What I do know is that the learning curve for riding proficiency on a motorcycle is far greater than e-bikes or a scooter. There is clutch operated shifting required (almost every motorcycle) along with precision throttle control. Handling at very low speeds is also going to be far less awkward on a scooter or e-bike. I guess it really depends on the primary use on which is better but motorcycles are far more dangerous in inexperienced hands than either of the other two.
I've owned a motercycle and a big engine scooter. The problem was , the 50mph rural roads I used became 65+ during the 00's and 10's. I don't enjoy keeping up with cars at those speeds.
@11:18 🤣🤣🤣 and it pretty well conveys what you seemed to think of the whole experience, not just the food.
Gracias por el esfuerzo!
Riese & Müller designed the Birdy, and now it’s manufactured by Pacific Cycles in Taiwan.
I went to every Interbike, it was always a blast! I even did the crit at Mandalay with Chipo.
Doing interviews really can be a time suck. When I go to Sea Otter to do podcast interviews, I walk away with enough to fill two shows. But I go wall to wall for two days to get it done. Show and tell ... works just as good.
I've been to Eurobike twice in the nineties. Travelled from Amsterdam by train. Eurobike is huge, I was exhausted. Too much for one day.
Used to be IAA there, the big carshow every other year! Impressive That they managed to fill it with bike stuff!
It’s rain season in Western Europe I’ll guess. Can’t cycle a week without getting soaked.
Bicycle (HPV) vs Motorcycle (ebike).
Same on the velo berlin this year: Mostly cargo bikes that are only usable with their motors and e-bikes/s-pedelecs mostly in the form of the "eSUV" category (see Canyon SUV category). There was even a booth for small electric cars for leasing... Was really disappointing.
Well done..reflection of where our global,corporate bike industry is at. makes me think of my one and only visit to IKEA…on steroids.
Whoa, you do look tired and I appreciate the behind-the-scenes look at how hard you had to work to cover Eurobike in a meaningful way. People who want to start a channel need to understand the work that goes into one, as do viewers, who tend to forget all that goes into creating excellent content. I hope Laura didn't hurt her arm; or does she wear the sun sleeve to keep from being bruised by the camera strap/tripod?
Great insights on the work of making the vids we love! I did, for a second or two, wonder if it was some kind of super-duper dry humor about being grumpy about what you do. Hmm. Also, how does it compare to the overwhelming feeling of the Sea Otter expo? Peace!
Ebikes are pedal assist bikes but still muscle powered. Else, it is a motorized bike.
Well, the two major trends in the Eurobike next year will be friction shifting and rim brakes! "Reality is for people who can't face drugs", Tom Waits.
Would be nice they clearly divide human powered and engine powered products. I kind of get the idea of e-bikes, target group, and functionality... but seems like they went already too far apart from what a human powered bicycle to be shown just as "this is the new cycling"
😂 l know exactly what you two are feeling talking about!!! I've been going years ago for years to the Friedrichshafen one. You needed for sure a weekend to 4 days to see it all, and than there was so / to much of the same same... I'm not going anymore, not even to bike motion the Dutch (to me to conservative to roady...) To much and to much of the same stuff. The last years l went, l just did one day to see my partners or new possible partners (as testrider & bike coach) appointment. I think for your interest have a look the bike show in VeloBerlin and Bespoke in Manchester.
maybe next time use a kick-scooter to move around. 😁
It appears the bike market is moving towards needing more cargo movers as the “eco-friendly “ way to move goods & services. Coupled with a huge participation rate of aging bicyclists wanting motor assistance, the “ invisible hand” of the market waves again. ✌️
you may not want to look at another bike or biking-related product for another 6 months following this
How do you think Eurobike would be to visit as someone not in the industry who just enjoys bikes? The only similar experience I've had would probably be Sea Otter
It depends on your definition of bikes. It would be overwhelming regardless. It makes Sea Otter look like a sunday picnic.
I guess if electric bikes get car folks to get out on two wheels, it’s a positive move forward toward better communities, but the simplicity of a human powered drivetrain can’t be under appreciated
WD40 girl looks pretty tired
Just wait five years and there will be an AI creator bot to make the videos for you!
One would think that at Euro Bike show you would transport from one area to another via test rental bikes or something close to it Russ&Laura. Don’t they know that cyclists hate walking lol??
Was hoping you would find the e-penny farthing. Disappointed. 😂
What a great motorcycle show!
Theres lot of bike... why vlogger didnt cover them ????
Because vlogger made non vlog videos covering them.
Looks gruelling - no thanks!
Geez. Nope.
Enough with the “E-Bike, if it has a motor, it is a “motorbike “.
Predictive Programming: ‘This is what you will be consuming next year!”
Mwhahahaha!🥱