I picked up a pack of the 89 Fleer ($1) from an Antique Shop, 25 years after they were released and lo and behold, in all its nostalgic glory, there was the Billy Ripken FF card!
Interesting video. I collected Barry Bonds cards EXCLUSIVELY for 35 years. Over that time, I accumulated 9,500 different Bonds pieces. I am now retired. Over the past several years, I have been liquidating my collection however, I still actively collect Bonds’ error cards. I find the error cards fascinating and fun to collect. I have several hundred different error cards of Barry Bonds. It bothers me to see 1987 Topps cards of Bonds with the incomplete card number sold as error cards when the printing defect was never corrected.
Wow, that is a CRAZY Bonds collection, especially to do it exclusively. So much dedication there! Did you have any of the Johnny Ray versions? That comment is one of the reasons I made this video. There's SO many error cards out there and most of them don't mean much of anything, especially if they were never corrected, but people try to sell them as if they're important. And on the other end you have some important error cards that people may not realize what they have. A bit of education hopefully goes a long way. It is fun to see all the different types of error cards, and you are a good example of the type of collector that might enjoy a random error or blank or wrong back card
I have a few bonds error cards specifically the Topps 450 multiple error card 1988 . Its most distinct error is his neck line on his jersey is red instead of yellow
If you're an error junkie, I would strongly recommend 1990-91 Pro Set hockey because it's the most twisted error-riddled set in history... About 70% of this set is errors, Pro Set even tried to correct some of the errors but flubbed their corrections making their "corrections" new error card.. It's pretty wild and some of the errors and corrections can fetch some decent money. The most notorious is the Paul Gillis "bloody nose" error and that can go for well over $100 (it's actually a variation kinda like the Billy Ripken FF)..
@@David-fv7zg But the intended "corrections" are also errors. lol, they couldn't get anything right. And like I pointed out in my OP a couple of months ago - collectors are still finding errors to this very day 35 years later, lol.. Either way it would be quite challenging to complete a master set, but if you're up for challenges that set is highly recommended.
Great video! Been collecting since early 90s! Nice to see other cards out there to look for as in error cards! Lots of fun to go back and search through my collection!!!! Still chasing the NNOF Frank Thomas!!!!
Great video! The 1990 Donruss Juan Gonzalez reverse negative error was a prized card in my collection as a kid. And the Billy Ripken was a thing of legends! I recently picked up a beautiful PSA 8 on eBay, so it's finally mine after all these years.
I definitely remember opening a ton of 1990 Donruss packs looking for that Juan Gonzalez reverse negative...would have been a much more important card had his career turned out better. The Ripken was so iconic though it didn't matter how bad Billy Ripken was!
Thanks for your educational experience and resources and support on the true value of each baseball card, especially the cards with the wrong baseball player left uncaught. God-bless.
I remember buying wax boxes in 1990 when they first came out,specifically looking for errors. 1990 ud ben mcdonald,90 topps frank thomas,and 1990 donruss juan Gonzales all come to mind
No kidding, I remember that especially with 1990 Donruss! My first year of collecting was 1988, but I just dabbled until 1990 when I went all in on the hobby. I opened so many packs of Donruss looking for random errors like missing trademarks or periods in addition to the reverse negative Gonzalez that was so hard to find! Turns out that 99% of them didn't turn out to be meaningful...
Thank you for this show. I've pulled a few errors...nothing like the $$$ ones but still fun. Like the Juan Eichenbuger from 82 and some 78 errors on the stitching of the baseball logo. Plus the John Smoltz/Steve Avery error card. I linked this show from my 1993 Upper Deck show this aft so hopefully will drive some folks your way. Keep on keepin' on brother!
That's awesome, finding errors can certainly be fun for your own collection, even if there's not a lot of value to them! Thanks for promoting my video on your channel, always appreciated!
My pleasure! With that being a vintage card of a Hall of Famer, I'm sure there would be interest in it somewhere from a collector that likes these unique items!
OK, so I answered someone else on this video with respect to printing errors like wrong backs or blank backs. I won't go through the whole explanation again, but essentially these printing mistakes aren't really seen as errors because they are at random and based on the manufacturing process alone. Error cards that have value are typically seen as one version that is consistently produced with a specific mistake, and then a corrected version that fixes that specific error. All that said, the only time where I have seen printing errors like this one you mention worth anything is if the player is highly collectible and the card itself is one that player's highly collectible cards. You potentially have that in Bo Jackson + his most sought after rookie card. I'm not saying this particular card is really worth more because of the wrong back, but what I would say is that it *MAY* be worth something to a person that collects Bo Jackson and likes to look for different versions of his cards, including wrong back or errors. To decide if it's worth grading, I would ask myself two questions: 1) Is it in really good condition, and 2) can I find someone interested in buying it? If it's for your own collection, then you can decide that, but if you're grading it to sell, I would make sure your answer is yes for both of those questions before grading it. Hope that helps!
That's a really great one, and surprisingly one that no one seems to have commented on with all the views this video has received! Especially since it's a Hall of Fame player. I find a couple things really interesting about this one. First is that it's almost exclusively referred to as the "Reverse Cubs Logo" error version, where the logo is pretty clearly upside down, not reversed. Semantics I know, but in a hobby where so many collectors love the details, I'm always surprised about this one. Second is that there's not a huge disparity between prices on the error and corrected versions. If you look at the PSA pop reports, there appears to be a higher population of the corrected version, but the error version only goes for about 50% more, if that. I would have expected it to be higher, especially after Smith got into the Hall of Fame, but maybe there's just not enough people that know about it...?
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That is a good one too. There's some interesting error cards from the 1970s that are popular among collectors from that era. The 1974 Topps cards for the Padres players showing the city name as Washington (because everyone was sure the Padres would be moving that season) are fun ones too.
Actually, it said Blue Jays on it (not Mariners). I had a bunch of them (both error and corrected) and thought I was possibly sitting on a gold mine back in 79/80. His dad (Maury) was a great player and Bump had a solid rookie campaign but did very little after that. Too bad/lol.
This has been one of the most common questions for this video. The easiest explanation is that there is a big difference between an error card (a card that has a specific error and then a version that corrected that error), and a flawed card from the manufacturer. Cards printed with the wrong back (or no front/back) are printing errors that are somewhat common, but there's no consistency to them. They don't carry a lot of value unless you can find a collector for that specific player (David Robinson isn't too shabby...), or if it's a really key card. I'm not a basketball guy, so can't help you there.
Exactly the way you talk about baseball and the way you do it make this the #1 I would say when it comes to knowing about what cards to collect NP on a lookout for and the main reason why I enjoyed this now and subscribe it's because it's the way you handle the information vintage or any kind exactly the way we would understand it
I'm actually going to everyone I subscribe right now to unsubscribe everyone else so I don't get it mixed up with your show. I only need one person to give me my information
Lol...thanks for the compliments. Always happy to hear when viewers are able to get a lot of good information out of whatever I have to share! Hope you check out my other videos :)
I personally pulled a Frank Thomas NNOF before it was even recognized as an error, and I pulled the card out of a vending box.. I was really disappointed too, because I was a kid, I'm from Chicago and the Big Hurt was huge at the time and I thought to myself "does this count as a Frank Thomas? his names on on it", lol... Look, my theory about the Frank Thomas is that there are way more than most people think because many collectors are skeptical about vending boxes - so most of the NNOF are probably still in vending boxes..
I love these little anecdotes, I know there's collectors who regularly open these 90 Topps boxes hoping to find one. I've still never seen someone pull one in a video though...maybe one day with a vending box!
I pulled a couple back in 1990 from wax packs I used to buy (2 at time) but didn't really pay attention to it until he played better. No telling how many I actually had since this was at the peak of my card collecting.
Good question, depends on what the error is I guess. There's lots of sports cards forums out there with tons of really knowledge people on specific cards. Blow Out Cards forum could be a great place to start
I love your video i wanted to ask you about misprint error cards the key players from 80-89 not the common ones but the ones that are very rare to existence like a one of one card would the value be greater or just priceless and not worth anything?
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting, glad you enjoyed the video! These misprint error cards are always tough to evaluate, especially from the 80s and early 90s when the quality control and printing quality was dismal. The most in-demand error cards are the ones that have a specific error version and a specific corrected version, and misprints (wrong backs, missing print, etc.) typically don't fit into that category. Having misprinted cards of the star players are always better than commons, but it's typically not very easy to get much in return even for those. You essentially need to find someone that collects that specific star player, and they have to have interest in that misprinted card because they want every possible version out there. Not impossible, but not very easy to find either. Best of luck to you!
I put together a collection of junk wax reverse negative common players with there corrected versions. I added a twist by sourcing one of the two cards to be autographed. Have around 6 or so. Cheap fun. I don't have the 1982 Fleer John Littlefield however. Its a pricey card. Must have been a short run?
What a great idea, I love these fun little nuances a collector can find to have fun with the hobby. Some of those reverse negative most have been caught early on in the printing runs!
Do you know anything about the 1997 Score Joe Thornton , wrong back card. I have about six Thornton cards , with one having Mark Recchi,s back on it. I was told it wasn’t an error card, but it meets the four criteria you mentioned.
I don't know much of anything about hockey cards, but cards are printed with the wrong backs more often than you'd like to think. Especially in the 90s. Because the issue is random and has to do more with a mistake in the printing process, it's not usually considered an "error". The best way to think about "error" cards is that they have one version that's incorrect for some reason, and then a fixed version. Cards that have the wrong back might have Mark on one version, Tony on another version and Alex on another...so they're just inconsistent and not considered an "error" version of that Joe Thornton card. Make sense?
I have a question for you I have a 1988 Topps Kurt Stillwell card with a blurred front, which I have seen on line but the card I have also has a blank back. Until now I have not found any pictures or references to this card, do you know anything about it? Thank you
No I don't have any specific knowledge of this card. This is an example of a printing defect, albeit a fairly rare one with both a blurry front and blank back. The issue here is that they're considered to be printing defects rather than true error cards. The difference is with printing defects the issue occurred on a specific day with a specific printer and got fixed, while some cards did get released into the wild. Error cards are when there was an actual mistake by the card company that was regular enough to make the same error pervasive, and then at some point that error got noticed and fixed. Cards with printing defects don't typically have much of a market, but they sometimes can for set collectors or big star player collectors. You just need to find someone interested in the specific thing you have, which isn't always easy to do.
One of a kind? Quite possible with that specific back. But cards with the wrong back (or blank backs) aren't that uncommon in general just because of the poor quality process back in the day. These are usually considered flawed cards instead of error cards and don't have as much of a market unless it's a key player or a key card in particular. Then you might find someone interested that collects odd cards of that specific player.
That's an interesting one...those wrong backs can be common to find, but already graded a PSA 10 is different. Wrong backs are not really considered an error since there wasn't one version that later got corrected...they are considered more like a print defect. Does the label identify it as a wrong back error? If it doesn't, I would reach out to PSA to ask about getting the label changed. There's likely more value in having a PSA 10 card of Rickey than there is in it having the wrong back, but to a die hard Rickey collector it might have more value.
I have a 1998 Topps Mets pitcher john Franco upside down front and the name David justice on there mint condition and seems like there’s no other cards of its kind around even on sets- I send it to get graded recent would this card be worth something big ?
That sounds like a pretty crazy card! This kind of question has been one of the most common on this video...and unfortunately it's not likely to be worth much. Cards that have the wrong or missing front/back are typically considered flawed cards rather than error cards. Flawed cards are a mistake during the printing process itself rather than a specific error version that is later corrected and has a specific second version. Flawed cards just don't have as much of a market as error cards do
Hello. I think I may have, if authentic, the rarest error card ever printed. I want to submit to PSA but have NO idea what to put for the declared value, nor amount of insurance to put on it. Is there somewhere we can find comps where there are no comps? Lol. Love your content…hope you can help a fellow collector. Cheers!
Sorry to break it to you, but no there's not really a place you can go to find out about specific error cards that aren't well known. The cards in this video made the list because they have been widely talked about and researched, but if you think you have something that no one else has found...you either won't be able to find much information on it, or there's just not a market for it. What is it you think you've found? You could always send it in to a grader with a clear description of what it is you think you have (SGC customer service is the best for odd requests), and see if they agree with you or can confirm an error of some sort. Other than that there's not much else that could help with limited information
Yeah with something that new there will be very little information out yet anyway. Cool find, blowout forums is always a good place for discussion if you want to get more info or opinions.
Well it's tough to explain lol. I've collected since about 8yrs old. Primarily baseball but I have football and basketball. After checking out some vids, thought I'd check out my stuff. Wow!
Then found this reggie white 1994 sp. With the error card (both in a protective case) this error card seriously looks like the machine went haywire. Sp stripe on the left side on card and slightly sideways, 25% showing reggie white but the right side showing a different player and different team and the back showing presumably same different player but with another different team.
Is there a value to this at all? I can't imagine there being more as I think someone in the collection world wouldn't be able to keep it quiet... in the past 30 years. Lmk your thoughts. Thx
@krisbeavers954 this sort of example is a bit more rare, but I still categorize it similarly to examples that numerous collectors have brought up on this video where a player's card is printed with the wrong back. In these cases the hobby treats it more like a printing malfunction rather than an error card. An error card is reserved more for a single card that was printed one way for a while, and then at some point it got corrected and the rest of the cards were "fixed". In your case it's just a random printing issue and not an "error" vs "fixed" card. Cards with wrong backs are sometimes collectible if the player on the front is a star and they have a good following, but I think your example wouldn't be as desired because it's not a full card...more of a cut-off card that's mixed with another. So even though it might be more rare than a straight wrong- back card, I think most collectors wouldn't jump at it. Hope that helps
Hello Brutus, great video. One of the best I have ever seen. Question for you: I have an Upper Deck Choice Blue Star Quest SQ1 Ken Griffey Jr. But it has 2 errors: the photo on the back is Juan Gonzalez and it is listed as SQ2. How rare is this card and could you place a value on it for me?
Hey Dennis, thanks for watching and the great compliments! That does sound like an odd one you have...at first I thought it was just the wrong back printed, but a quick look at the set shows that Juan Gonzalez is in the set but not numbered SQ2. It does look like there were a couple of errors amalgamated into one crazy card! As for value, this would be a difficult one just because of how odd it is. You would really have to do your research and prove to an interested buyer how odd it is and that it's not just a wrong back from printing. Even then, you would likely have to identify a hard core Griffey collector (which shouldn't be hard to do), but the value they put to it is anyone's guess. Best of luck!
I have another Frank Thomas rookie error card from 1990 Fleer. The front of the card has Thomas, but the back has Edwin Nunez stats upside down. I also have the Nunez card that has Frank's stats on the back. Does anyone else know anything about these error cards because I can't find out anything about them?
Unfortunately, these cards that have the wrong backs, blank backs, upside down backs, etc. are fairly common to find across many sets and many years. For that reason, they're usually not that popular or worth much. They're seen as random printing mistakes rather than true errors that had an incorrect version and a corrected version. Sometimes you'll find a collector that wants these cards because they love a specific set or collect a specific player. Not too many of those for junk wax like 1990 Fleer, but you might get lucky and find a Frank Thomas superfan that wants all the versions out there. Short of that, there's just not much of a market out there for them.
Depends on what you've got. If you can't find info by just googling it, there's some really great baseball cards forums out there where you can put a question to the group and if someone's seen it before you can get info
@@brutusonbaseball maybe that is what is best, to be honest it would be way better to just show a picture of it. To try and explain it, it’s 1980 Rick Dempsey Topps but his name is only about 20% visible due to a cut off and the name Ron Leflore at about 60-70% on there
That sounds like an interesting one, not something you see very often. Sounds like another printing process issue, but a rather unique one. You can post photos when you ask questions on these forum sites, so that might help to identify is anyone else has run into it before. I know Blowout Cards has a good one with lots of knowledgeable folks
Ive been noticing people on Ebay asking thousands of dollars for cards with printing flaws and calling them Errors. Error cards and Flawed cards are not the same. Flawed cards hold a lesser value whereas a corrected error holds a higher value.
Absolutely, wish I could like this comment more than once! This has been the most common question I've been asked about this video...printing flaws are not really error cards at all. That means wrong or blank fronts or backs, miscuts, etc. Flawed cards are not really interesting to anyone other than a very specific player collector, and even then it's hit and miss whether someone will care much. Thanks for the comment!
They are all over on ebay. Listing card with 9 error variations and then circling and using an arrow to show the flaws, oops I mean errors. Lol my favorite is the 1990 donruss no dot after the INC error. 1 cent card selling for $250. Thanks for the video!
What would you like to know? To me this would fit into the category of a flawed card rather than an "error" card. Flawed cards have printing errors or wrong backs due to a mistake in the printing process, whereas error cards typically have a single "error" version followed by a "corrected" version. Cards that have wrong or blank backs aren't typically valued like error cards, but they can have a market when the specific player or card is a key one. You have both of those with not only a Hall of Fame player, but his best rookie card as well! There's not many people that collect these types of cards, but Sandberg collectors are a good place to go looking if you want to sell. It's not easy to find information on wrong back cards...PSA doesn't have any registered at all that I could find, but SGC does keep track and has graded 14 wrong back versions vs. 2,300+ of the standard Sandberg rookie cards. This of course is biased because there won't be as many versions sent in for grading with the wrong backs vs. the standard rookie versions, but it does show that there have been some graded. You just have to find the right group of collectors looking for this specific card!
Good one too, I can't believe something like that got through the process, especially with a star player! I can just imagine someone yelling across a loud printing room... "This guy's name is Craig Nettles, right?" "Yeah, that's Graig Nettles!" "OK, Craig Nettles. Got it. "
Not sure what you mean exactly, like the card is double printed? Usually is it's a straight printing error (wrong back, missing ink, etc) it's seen as a quality issue more than an error and is not worth much...
@@brutusonbaseball This error can occur during the production process, leading to a limited number of cards being unintentionally duplicated. The unique nature of double print sports cards has made them highly sought after by collectors and enthusiasts alike.
@@christopherbrown9808 you may be right, I just haven't heard much about these. Let me know if you do find a value someday or sell it, would be interesting to find out
I just opened a 2022 topps holiday box with a Brendan Donovan rc auto with his name misspelled at the bottom. It's also number out of 250. Apparently the auto ones are the only ones that have that error. But I don't know to much more about this card.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of errors out there for modern cards, but only time will tell which ones matter and which ones don't. Usually depends on how good the player is and how important the particular card is
I love the 1987 Donruss Opening Day Bonds / Johnny Ray error card. I actually have a few of those graded error cards currently listed on eBay. I actually purchased an ungraded error card on eBay which passed eBay authentication but was found to be a counterfeit. Fortunately, I was able to get a refund for my purchase. I learned a lesson. If you want to acquire a genuine 1987 Donruss Opening Day error card, only purchase a card which has been professionally graded.
That's very interesting, especially since CGC is the grading company that checks ungraded cards from ebay for authentication. So you bought it and then sent it in to another grading company that found it to be counterfeit?
Plenty of counterfeits get past the supposed "experts" at Psa or any other grading company. Grading is just another scam to get more money out of people.
That's a great idea, but I am not a football collector and have close to zero knowledge about it outside of Barry Sanders rookie cards. I wouldn't even know where to begin looking!
i have a frank thomas insert from the 90s, holographic, but the front is missing the whole picture of frank thomas, just the rear of the card has stats etc. so i went and bought the orignal card and mounted it next to the error. prob worth nothing i cant even find another sweet strokes insert error from the set.
I agree with most of what you said, I will disagree on the market. You mentioned the 69 white letter variations. All are highly collected and are important for complete master set completers. You can say that for many of the variations from the 50s-70s. 52 and 59 have the Grey or white back. The 62 set has the green tint versions. 1974 had the Washington team variation. All are very much collected. Even those that work on the early 80s fleer and donruss or the late 80s,/90s set builders do want the errors that fleer, donruss, and score had. I know this because I was one of many.
Great points, you are correct that there is a market with vintage set collectors that are looking to complete the entire run, but I would say that's a much smaller part of the hobby so these error cards you mentioned are not as mainstream as others
@@brutusonbaseball maybe not, I just know with those that do the set registry, some count so that competition can aid in the sales and desirability. The white letter variations and the Washington ones especially so
That's a really great question, and one that I don't know the answer for. It would be a great question to ask a grading company! I wonder if they would grade it from the perspective of being an error card with missing ink. That way it could get a 10 if everything else was perfect... I'm just not sure if that's how they would see it
Why do you think the Mantle "white" error has the team name in yellow? Seem like something more than just forgetting the yellow ink if the team name has the yellow.
That's a great point and question. I don't think the printing left out yellow entirely, otherwise the coloring would have potentially been off for the whole picture. From what I understand, Topps was using several different printing presses at this time, so it could be that one of them just made the mistake of putting the name all in white instead of having the last name in yellow. There are theories about these cards only being distributed in certain regions, so that could back up the idea that all these cards came from one printer that made a temporary mistake
I have a Hunter Pence rookie card with the wrong team name on the front. It says “New York Yankees” instead of “Houston Astros”. Would that be worth something?
That's an interesting one. A good rule of thumb is if it's a one time printing flaw, then probably not worth much. If it's a common error that was fixed at some point during production, so there's essentially one error version vs one corrected version, then that's usually worth something. Pence was a nice player, but not a huge star, so that doesn't help with the value. One of my favorite baseball related articles of all time though was Grant Brisbee's article about fake scouting reports. Pence was the highlight...go google it if you haven't seen it!
I have the 1985 Donruss Tom Seaver card that picture is Floyd Bannister instead. I also have the f*** face Ripken card in black and white. I have that Graig Nettles card also the Mark McGwire 87 record Breakers card with the white box behind his foot and a lot of miscuts.
Those are some fun cards to remember, especially the McGwire for me. I recall going through so many of those 88 Topps packs looking for the version with the white triangle. I've been thinking about making a follow up video to this one about some of the not so commonly collected error cards...maybe I'll have to do that soon
People need to quit fixating on the "error" aspect; there are many "error" cards that were never corrected, going back to 1909-era "Cy" Young caramel cards that actually pictured Irv Young. There was also a Cap Anson card issued in the 1800's, that actually pictures Ned Williamson. Also, the T3 Turkey Red of Frank "Home Run" Baker, actually pictures his teammate, Jack Barry. The important aspect, is that there was a variation of the card. In fact, a card can have a "variation", without there having been an "error" on it; the simple fact that the card was issued in two different variations, with one being scarce/rare, is the important factor.
Quite true and very well said. The error itself is much less important as having a correction that creates two (or multiple along the way as we have seen with some) versions, with at least one being more scarce and therefore desirable
The only true error card I own is the 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #665 - No Number Error. I didn't know an error existed until I looked at the back trying to catalogue it.
Well, I have an error card that I have been searching for over 20 yrs to see the number of ppl that have this error card. 2000 topps label kurt warner class 2, "no stats on the back(which it's been graded by csg/cgc @ "8.5"). In my opinion, I wouldn't use a top 10 listing because printing errors, like the one I have, can be discovered everyday.
Yes, there are absolutely a quite large number of error cards out there produced every year that there's been cards. Lots of printing errors I'm sure. What' I've tried to do is identify the most important ones to the baseball hobby...the ones that collectors pay most attention to. Of course this list might change in the future based on new cards and/or the popularity of a certain player that has an error card, but for the most part I think the cards in this list will maintain their demand over time whereas most other error cards just don't.
Good questions, it depends on which cards you think you have. If you have some of the older vintage ones, then they have a big market and you can find all sorts of resources to help you there. If you're talking more of the junk wax stuff, it really comes down to 3rd party grading as they just won't get much in return unless they are in great condition. If you think you have some really good examples, then consider sending them for grading. If they're not in great condition, then they likely won't fetch a lot in return.
Great mention, but just didn't make the cut because his career fell off and there's just not many people that collect him anymore. Had to narrow it down to ten somehow!
@@guywilliams6569 Great point...I've stated to get some comments complaining about how long my videos are so just trying to be aware of that. I don't mind long videos, but not everyone has a good attention span these days!
@@brutusonbaseball yep, np I have discovered other errors too….. but this is the one that has potential to be a huge card in the hobby based on who it is and how rare, it’s very drastic and noticeable too Also thank you for being accurate on nnof, everyone just thinks topps “forgot” his name but your completely correct about some kinda printing issue and it effecting all the other cards too
I've always found that really crazy how the quality process can be so bad that these types of things happen. It's more understandable with old cards i would think...how old is yours?
I purchased the ungraded 1987 Dunruss Opening Day Bonds / Johnny Ray on eBay. Before receiving the card, eBay shipped the card out to be authenticated. After receiving the card, I was able to demonstrate to eBay that the ungraded card was a counterfeit. It wasn’t easy, but I was able to get a full refund for the card.
Great story, so you are obviously more knowledgeable than CGC on Bonds error cards! Well done...I can image that was a major hassle going back through eBay, especially after they started their authentication program that wasn't good enough in this instance.
My Son bought a shoebox of 80s-90s junk wax at a garage sale and the no name Frank Thomas was in it.........The thing wrong though is some kid back in the day took it upon himself to very badly scribble the name in the blank box!
If it's a widely recognized and collected error card, then I would treat it like and other. If you prefer to grade your cards, then go for it. If it's not one of those things, then probably not as it may not be worth the grading fee.
@@midcityvipersbasketball8012 if you think it's in great condition the yes. It's a very popular card right now with how much collectors are focusing on 90s stuff. Some versions are worth more than others but they're all fairly collectible
Didn't forget it, just didn't think it was in the top 10 of most important. Great story though, Sy Berger at Topps had inside information that Bump would be traded from the Rangers to the Blue Jays, so he told his team to change the team name on the card accordingly. The trade fell through though, but not before Topps had already started printing cards assuming it was a done deal!
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Alex gordan makes the 6 juan Gonzales 90 donruss doesn't? Gezzzzz😢
It came down to those two cards for the "last" spot. I decided to go with the Gordon to expand the story a bit rather than focusing so much on the Era between 1989-1991 that has SO many errors. The Juan would have made a bigger impact had be finished with a better career
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@brutusonbaseball in his career he batted 295, over 1400 RBI, 434 homer's, just 16 seasons. Not too shabby. One day he'll be a HOF, then he'll make your list, i just know it....L😮L
Fair enough, his career is not the kind that gets a lot of love from the Hall voters these days...but if he ever makes it in I promise to revisit all of my decisions!
So the 1989 Fleer Ripken errors are a joke, why because there are so many COUNTERFEITS its ridiculous, you can’t tell unless you send it to PSA at which time if not authentic its worthless. I sold two whiteout scribbles to a guy for $200 raw, they came back from PSA counterfeit and they came from two different places
Very interesting...can't say I'm surprised with how common these cards are, yet how difficult it is to find some of the variations. Especially when it's as easy as putting some whiteout on the bat knob to fool some people!
I totally get that view... I'm sure the card would have been just as iconic if the words had been upside down, but your point adds to the intrigue of maybe Ripken knew what was going on all along
No, the 87 Topps card is not an error card. It would be accurately labeled a misprint because part of the "3" in the card number 320 on the back is missing ink. Not only is it not an error, it doesn't even have a corrected version because Topps never noticed or cared enough to fix it
Yes, that's a good one to remember. Not a memorable player, but a memorable card because Topps thought a trade from the Rangers to the Blue Jays was all but done...but alas it was not!
@genogeno6643 yes, the Topps inside guy at the time, Sy Berger, believed the deal was done so he told them to change the team and they would get the edge. But the deal fell through
Are you freaking kidding me I just bought about five thick binders and I know for a fact right now in my storage I have two or three near mint copies inside of one of the binders of the Barry Bonds error
@@brutusonbaseball Connor wong mosaic pink parallel rookie card has silver numbers on back saying 01/10 in silver card number 210 people have same card on eBay but there’s don’t say 01/10 like mine ?
@tristancreasey9539 sounds like you got the limited fluorescent pink version, similar to other versions in the set but that aren't numbered to only 10. Great pull! Check out this link below to get more info: baseballcardpedia.com/index.php/2022_Panini_Mosaic
These population figures are misleading. They only count those cards submitted for grading, not the total number of cards printed in any given set. Additionally, the low pop numbers for the Ripken corrected versions are just as likely to reflect the far fewer people willing to get the card graded vs the original. I mean, who's really interested in getting their Ripken black box card graded?
That's a good point, but there's not much we can do to guess at card population unless we look at the graded. You have a great point though that for the Ripken there's a lot fewer people that have graded other versions than the main F-Face version...but if the more rare ones sell for as much as they have in the past we might see more of them graded too
The Randy Johnson opinion by Fleer is ridiculous since the Marlboro sign is in the stadium. Who cares if an ad is in the background!? Stupid people think too much.
The whole debacle Fleer went through to try and fix the problem probably drew way more attention to cigarettes than leaving the ad ever would have. But I've heard that the owners of Fleer at the time were Super religious family that were embarrassed by the Ripken and Randy "errors", so they kind of took it as their duty to fix what they saw as problems they were responsible for.
I'm not sure what cards exactly you're talking about, but I highly doubt some of the older cards were intentional. The Ripken I could see being the most likely to have been intentional, but the vintage in this video and most other junk wax era I don't think is likely. The 89 Upper Deck was a new company with so many mistakes, I doubt the Murphy or Sheffield would have been intentional. The Frank Thomas NNOF I've heard a lot of people rumor was intentional, but it pretty obviously wasn't with the other cards on the sheet missing the black and Frank not even being one of the biggest prospects going into that season.
I agree the hobby has turned into nothing more than a rich man’s investment game. Boxes of 4 cards that sell for 25k out the door with these staged “box break” videos. Ridiculous “grading”. Nothing cool about that. Just as bad as NFTs and it’s sad. However, I don’t think the errors (at least the old ones) were intended.
Very true, there's no doubt he was a great player and hitter. The way I see it is that PEDs were rampant throughout the league, he and at least half the players were probably doing something. He was still one of the best of them.
I picked up a pack of the 89 Fleer ($1) from an Antique Shop, 25 years after they were released and lo and behold, in all its nostalgic glory, there was the Billy Ripken FF card!
What an amazing pickup! That's a visit well worth taking to the antique shop!
Interesting video. I collected Barry Bonds cards EXCLUSIVELY for 35 years. Over that time, I accumulated 9,500 different Bonds pieces. I am now retired. Over the past several years, I have been liquidating my collection however, I still actively collect Bonds’ error cards. I find the error cards fascinating and fun to collect. I have several hundred different error cards of Barry Bonds. It bothers me to see 1987 Topps cards of Bonds with the incomplete card number sold as error cards when the printing defect was never corrected.
Wow, that is a CRAZY Bonds collection, especially to do it exclusively. So much dedication there! Did you have any of the Johnny Ray versions?
That comment is one of the reasons I made this video. There's SO many error cards out there and most of them don't mean much of anything, especially if they were never corrected, but people try to sell them as if they're important. And on the other end you have some important error cards that people may not realize what they have. A bit of education hopefully goes a long way. It is fun to see all the different types of error cards, and you are a good example of the type of collector that might enjoy a random error or blank or wrong back card
I have a few bonds error cards specifically the Topps 450 multiple error card 1988 . Its most distinct error is his neck line on his jersey is red instead of yellow
It's available if interested
If you're an error junkie, I would strongly recommend 1990-91 Pro Set hockey because it's the most twisted error-riddled set in history... About 70% of this set is errors, Pro Set even tried to correct some of the errors but flubbed their corrections making their "corrections" new error card.. It's pretty wild and some of the errors and corrections can fetch some decent money. The most notorious is the Paul Gillis "bloody nose" error and that can go for well over $100 (it's actually a variation kinda like the Billy Ripken FF)..
Very interesting, I'm not into hockey but that sounds like a fun box to open just because you have to pay so much attention
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I have a whole box if these i guess I need to recheck them. Tks
If there are that many errors, the correction is actually the error!
@@David-fv7zg But the intended "corrections" are also errors. lol, they couldn't get anything right. And like I pointed out in my OP a couple of months ago - collectors are still finding errors to this very day 35 years later, lol.. Either way it would be quite challenging to complete a master set, but if you're up for challenges that set is highly recommended.
Great video! Been collecting since early 90s! Nice to see other cards out there to look for as in error cards! Lots of fun to go back and search through my collection!!!! Still chasing the NNOF Frank Thomas!!!!
That is one tough one to find, lots of collectors have looked for years without much luck. You never know what else you might have though!
Great video! The 1990 Donruss Juan Gonzalez reverse negative error was a prized card in my collection as a kid. And the Billy Ripken was a thing of legends! I recently picked up a beautiful PSA 8 on eBay, so it's finally mine after all these years.
I definitely remember opening a ton of 1990 Donruss packs looking for that Juan Gonzalez reverse negative...would have been a much more important card had his career turned out better. The Ripken was so iconic though it didn't matter how bad Billy Ripken was!
Thanks for your educational experience and resources and support on the true value of each baseball card, especially the cards with the wrong baseball player left uncaught. God-bless.
My pleasure, thanks for watching and supporting!
The 2001 Topps Traded Albert Pujols is a big one too. A percentage of the cards have Placido Polanco pictured on the back.
Great point, for whatever reason there's not a whole lot of story around that one
It's his second year rookie cup card from 2002. Not that rare
What a Great information Thank you 🤛🏾Gracias…from Seattle WA
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Go Mariners!
I remember buying wax boxes in 1990 when they first came out,specifically looking for errors. 1990 ud ben mcdonald,90 topps frank thomas,and 1990 donruss juan Gonzales all come to mind
No kidding, I remember that especially with 1990 Donruss! My first year of collecting was 1988, but I just dabbled until 1990 when I went all in on the hobby. I opened so many packs of Donruss looking for random errors like missing trademarks or periods in addition to the reverse negative Gonzalez that was so hard to find! Turns out that 99% of them didn't turn out to be meaningful...
Thank you for this show. I've pulled a few errors...nothing like the $$$ ones but still fun. Like the Juan Eichenbuger from 82 and some 78 errors on the stitching of the baseball logo. Plus the John Smoltz/Steve Avery error card. I linked this show from my 1993 Upper Deck show this aft so hopefully will drive some folks your way. Keep on keepin' on brother!
That's awesome, finding errors can certainly be fun for your own collection, even if there's not a lot of value to them! Thanks for promoting my video on your channel, always appreciated!
Loved this. Great presentation and info.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed!
Great video! Your soft-spoken-ness kinda cracks me up. Haha
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I'm not sure if cracking you up is a good or bad thing since I'm not a comedian....but I'll take it :)
Thank you for your help!
I have a 62 Fleer Brooks Robinson, low grade, with the wrong player on the back. Im debating whether to grade it.
My pleasure! With that being a vintage card of a Hall of Famer, I'm sure there would be interest in it somewhere from a collector that likes these unique items!
@@brutusonbaseball thanks, yea a Brooksie collector might want it!🤷
Ok so I have a 86 topps Bo jackson rookie card error, it’s Bo Jackson on the front and Bill Gillukson on the back. Is it worth getting graded??
OK, so I answered someone else on this video with respect to printing errors like wrong backs or blank backs. I won't go through the whole explanation again, but essentially these printing mistakes aren't really seen as errors because they are at random and based on the manufacturing process alone. Error cards that have value are typically seen as one version that is consistently produced with a specific mistake, and then a corrected version that fixes that specific error.
All that said, the only time where I have seen printing errors like this one you mention worth anything is if the player is highly collectible and the card itself is one that player's highly collectible cards. You potentially have that in Bo Jackson + his most sought after rookie card. I'm not saying this particular card is really worth more because of the wrong back, but what I would say is that it *MAY* be worth something to a person that collects Bo Jackson and likes to look for different versions of his cards, including wrong back or errors.
To decide if it's worth grading, I would ask myself two questions: 1) Is it in really good condition, and 2) can I find someone interested in buying it? If it's for your own collection, then you can decide that, but if you're grading it to sell, I would make sure your answer is yes for both of those questions before grading it.
Hope that helps!
My favorite is the 82 Fleer Lee Smith with the reverse Cubs logo
That's a really great one, and surprisingly one that no one seems to have commented on with all the views this video has received! Especially since it's a Hall of Fame player.
I find a couple things really interesting about this one. First is that it's almost exclusively referred to as the "Reverse Cubs Logo" error version, where the logo is pretty clearly upside down, not reversed. Semantics I know, but in a hobby where so many collectors love the details, I'm always surprised about this one.
Second is that there's not a huge disparity between prices on the error and corrected versions. If you look at the PSA pop reports, there appears to be a higher population of the corrected version, but the error version only goes for about 50% more, if that. I would have expected it to be higher, especially after Smith got into the Hall of Fame, but maybe there's just not enough people that know about it...?
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There’s also the 1979 Topps Bump Wills cards with him in a Rangers uniform but team name says Mariners. There’s also the corrected version as well.
That is a good one too. There's some interesting error cards from the 1970s that are popular among collectors from that era. The 1974 Topps cards for the Padres players showing the city name as Washington (because everyone was sure the Padres would be moving that season) are fun ones too.
Yeah those ones are really cool. It’s too bad Dave Winfield was not one of those cards.
No kidding, if he had one of those in positive it would have made this top 10 with how important that card would have been!
Actually, it said Blue Jays on it (not Mariners). I had a bunch of them (both error and corrected) and thought I was possibly sitting on a gold mine back in 79/80. His dad (Maury) was a great player and Bump had a solid rookie campaign but did very little after that. Too bad/lol.
@jagsnumberone88 yeah, it's always hard to know which cards will end up worth something. Had he turned into a great player, I'm sure they would have
I have a 98 upper deck hard court , David Robinson then on the back side it has grant hill . Any good ?
This has been one of the most common questions for this video. The easiest explanation is that there is a big difference between an error card (a card that has a specific error and then a version that corrected that error), and a flawed card from the manufacturer. Cards printed with the wrong back (or no front/back) are printing errors that are somewhat common, but there's no consistency to them. They don't carry a lot of value unless you can find a collector for that specific player (David Robinson isn't too shabby...), or if it's a really key card. I'm not a basketball guy, so can't help you there.
Just subbed to you, this is my favorite, love error cards. Nice
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Another fun video! Keep them coming.
Thanks, glad to hear you enjoyed it!
Always learning new facts. Most interesting..
Happy to hear you learned something, thanks for watching and commenting!
Exactly the way you talk about baseball and the way you do it make this the #1 I would say when it comes to knowing about what cards to collect NP on a lookout for and the main reason why I enjoyed this now and subscribe it's because it's the way you handle the information vintage or any kind exactly the way we would understand it
I'm actually going to everyone I subscribe right now to unsubscribe everyone else so I don't get it mixed up with your show. I only need one person to give me my information
Lol...thanks for the compliments. Always happy to hear when viewers are able to get a lot of good information out of whatever I have to share! Hope you check out my other videos :)
I personally pulled a Frank Thomas NNOF before it was even recognized as an error, and I pulled the card out of a vending box.. I was really disappointed too, because I was a kid, I'm from Chicago and the Big Hurt was huge at the time and I thought to myself "does this count as a Frank Thomas? his names on on it", lol... Look, my theory about the Frank Thomas is that there are way more than most people think because many collectors are skeptical about vending boxes - so most of the NNOF are probably still in vending boxes..
I love these little anecdotes, I know there's collectors who regularly open these 90 Topps boxes hoping to find one. I've still never seen someone pull one in a video though...maybe one day with a vending box!
I pulled a couple back in 1990 from wax packs I used to buy (2 at time) but didn't really pay attention to it until he played better. No telling how many I actually had since this was at the peak of my card collecting.
I found an error gallery of stars Frank Thomas in my collection. I haven’t seen another one like it anywhere. How would I find out anything about it.
Good question, depends on what the error is I guess. There's lots of sports cards forums out there with tons of really knowledge people on specific cards. Blow Out Cards forum could be a great place to start
Very informative. Thanks!
You are welcome!
I love your video i wanted to ask you about misprint error cards the key players from 80-89 not the common ones but the ones that are very rare to existence like a one of one card would the value be greater or just priceless and not worth anything?
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting, glad you enjoyed the video! These misprint error cards are always tough to evaluate, especially from the 80s and early 90s when the quality control and printing quality was dismal. The most in-demand error cards are the ones that have a specific error version and a specific corrected version, and misprints (wrong backs, missing print, etc.) typically don't fit into that category.
Having misprinted cards of the star players are always better than commons, but it's typically not very easy to get much in return even for those. You essentially need to find someone that collects that specific star player, and they have to have interest in that misprinted card because they want every possible version out there. Not impossible, but not very easy to find either. Best of luck to you!
Thanks for reaching out. I am not so interested in those high pop print variations of those Bonds cards.
I put together a collection of junk wax reverse negative common players with there corrected versions. I added a twist by sourcing one of the two cards to be autographed. Have around 6 or so. Cheap fun. I don't have the 1982 Fleer John Littlefield however. Its a pricey card. Must have been a short run?
What a great idea, I love these fun little nuances a collector can find to have fun with the hobby. Some of those reverse negative most have been caught early on in the printing runs!
Do you know anything about the 1997 Score Joe Thornton , wrong back card. I have about six Thornton cards , with one having Mark Recchi,s back on it. I was told it wasn’t an error card, but it meets the four criteria you mentioned.
I don't know much of anything about hockey cards, but cards are printed with the wrong backs more often than you'd like to think. Especially in the 90s. Because the issue is random and has to do more with a mistake in the printing process, it's not usually considered an "error". The best way to think about "error" cards is that they have one version that's incorrect for some reason, and then a fixed version. Cards that have the wrong back might have Mark on one version, Tony on another version and Alex on another...so they're just inconsistent and not considered an "error" version of that Joe Thornton card.
Make sense?
I have a question for you I have a 1988 Topps Kurt Stillwell card with a blurred front, which I have seen on line but the card I have also has a blank back. Until now I have not found any pictures or references to this card, do you know anything about it?
Thank you
No I don't have any specific knowledge of this card. This is an example of a printing defect, albeit a fairly rare one with both a blurry front and blank back. The issue here is that they're considered to be printing defects rather than true error cards. The difference is with printing defects the issue occurred on a specific day with a specific printer and got fixed, while some cards did get released into the wild.
Error cards are when there was an actual mistake by the card company that was regular enough to make the same error pervasive, and then at some point that error got noticed and fixed.
Cards with printing defects don't typically have much of a market, but they sometimes can for set collectors or big star player collectors. You just need to find someone interested in the specific thing you have, which isn't always easy to do.
I have a 1970 Topps Tom Seaver card, but it has Dave Giusti on the back. One-of-a kind?
One of a kind? Quite possible with that specific back. But cards with the wrong back (or blank backs) aren't that uncommon in general just because of the poor quality process back in the day. These are usually considered flawed cards instead of error cards and don't have as much of a market unless it's a key player or a key card in particular. Then you might find someone interested that collects odd cards of that specific player.
@@brutusonbaseball I get it, but it is a Tom Seaver card.....
@@ticnatz for sure, that's the one reason it might draw interest from particular Seaver collectors
I got a psa 10 1987 Rickey Henderson but the back has a different name and half of that name. Is that worth anything good
That's an interesting one...those wrong backs can be common to find, but already graded a PSA 10 is different. Wrong backs are not really considered an error since there wasn't one version that later got corrected...they are considered more like a print defect.
Does the label identify it as a wrong back error?
If it doesn't, I would reach out to PSA to ask about getting the label changed. There's likely more value in having a PSA 10 card of Rickey than there is in it having the wrong back, but to a die hard Rickey collector it might have more value.
I have a 1998 Topps Mets pitcher john Franco upside down front and the name David justice on there mint condition and seems like there’s no other cards of its kind around even on sets- I send it to get graded recent would this card be worth something big ?
That sounds like a pretty crazy card! This kind of question has been one of the most common on this video...and unfortunately it's not likely to be worth much. Cards that have the wrong or missing front/back are typically considered flawed cards rather than error cards. Flawed cards are a mistake during the printing process itself rather than a specific error version that is later corrected and has a specific second version. Flawed cards just don't have as much of a market as error cards do
Hello. I think I may have, if authentic, the rarest error card ever printed. I want to submit to PSA but have NO idea what to put for the declared value, nor amount of insurance to put on it. Is there somewhere we can find comps where there are no comps? Lol. Love your content…hope you can help a fellow collector.
Cheers!
Sorry to break it to you, but no there's not really a place you can go to find out about specific error cards that aren't well known. The cards in this video made the list because they have been widely talked about and researched, but if you think you have something that no one else has found...you either won't be able to find much information on it, or there's just not a market for it.
What is it you think you've found? You could always send it in to a grader with a clear description of what it is you think you have (SGC customer service is the best for odd requests), and see if they agree with you or can confirm an error of some sort. Other than that there's not much else that could help with limited information
@@brutusonbaseball I have a Dylan Crews 2023 Stars and Stripes, Reverse Negative, RAP /serial #
I didn’t know something like it existed since patch cards are built.
Yeah with something that new there will be very little information out yet anyway. Cool find, blowout forums is always a good place for discussion if you want to get more info or opinions.
@@brutusonbaseball I figured. I’ll be posting videos once authenticated and graded. It’s crazy, even the auto is backwards.
I pulled a Panini (red white blue) Prizm rookie card for Nick Neidert. On the back of this card is the back of a Prizm Ronald Acuna Jr #SG-4
Much better back than front! This is a flawed card though instead of an error card, lots of comments here on this if you need more explanation
Thanks, Brutus. I appreciate you.
My pleasure!
Great video bud. 👍
Thanks much, glad you enjoyed it!
@@brutusonbaseball Thanks for sharing 👍
Curious on what you come up with because I have one hell of an error card. So I want to see if it's mentioned.
Now you've got me curious....
Well it's tough to explain lol. I've collected since about 8yrs old. Primarily baseball but I have football and basketball. After checking out some vids, thought I'd check out my stuff. Wow!
Then found this reggie white 1994 sp. With the error card (both in a protective case) this error card seriously looks like the machine went haywire. Sp stripe on the left side on card and slightly sideways, 25% showing reggie white but the right side showing a different player and different team and the back showing presumably same different player but with another different team.
Is there a value to this at all? I can't imagine there being more as I think someone in the collection world wouldn't be able to keep it quiet... in the past 30 years. Lmk your thoughts. Thx
@krisbeavers954 this sort of example is a bit more rare, but I still categorize it similarly to examples that numerous collectors have brought up on this video where a player's card is printed with the wrong back. In these cases the hobby treats it more like a printing malfunction rather than an error card. An error card is reserved more for a single card that was printed one way for a while, and then at some point it got corrected and the rest of the cards were "fixed". In your case it's just a random printing issue and not an "error" vs "fixed" card.
Cards with wrong backs are sometimes collectible if the player on the front is a star and they have a good following, but I think your example wouldn't be as desired because it's not a full card...more of a cut-off card that's mixed with another. So even though it might be more rare than a straight wrong- back card, I think most collectors wouldn't jump at it. Hope that helps
Hello Brutus, great video. One of the best I have ever seen. Question for you: I have an Upper Deck Choice Blue Star Quest SQ1 Ken Griffey Jr. But it has 2 errors: the photo on the back is Juan Gonzalez and it is listed as SQ2. How rare is this card and could you place a value on it for me?
Hey Dennis, thanks for watching and the great compliments! That does sound like an odd one you have...at first I thought it was just the wrong back printed, but a quick look at the set shows that Juan Gonzalez is in the set but not numbered SQ2. It does look like there were a couple of errors amalgamated into one crazy card!
As for value, this would be a difficult one just because of how odd it is. You would really have to do your research and prove to an interested buyer how odd it is and that it's not just a wrong back from printing. Even then, you would likely have to identify a hard core Griffey collector (which shouldn't be hard to do), but the value they put to it is anyone's guess. Best of luck!
I have another Frank Thomas rookie error card from 1990 Fleer. The front of the card has Thomas, but the back has Edwin Nunez stats upside down. I also have the Nunez card that has Frank's stats on the back. Does anyone else know anything about these error cards because I can't find out anything about them?
Unfortunately, these cards that have the wrong backs, blank backs, upside down backs, etc. are fairly common to find across many sets and many years. For that reason, they're usually not that popular or worth much. They're seen as random printing mistakes rather than true errors that had an incorrect version and a corrected version.
Sometimes you'll find a collector that wants these cards because they love a specific set or collect a specific player. Not too many of those for junk wax like 1990 Fleer, but you might get lucky and find a Frank Thomas superfan that wants all the versions out there. Short of that, there's just not much of a market out there for them.
Brutus! I have an error card but I can’t really find any info on this card online. I’m wondering how I can find info?
Depends on what you've got. If you can't find info by just googling it, there's some really great baseball cards forums out there where you can put a question to the group and if someone's seen it before you can get info
@@brutusonbaseball maybe that is what is best, to be honest it would be way better to just show a picture of it. To try and explain it, it’s 1980 Rick Dempsey Topps but his name is only about 20% visible due to a cut off and the name Ron Leflore at about 60-70% on there
That sounds like an interesting one, not something you see very often. Sounds like another printing process issue, but a rather unique one. You can post photos when you ask questions on these forum sites, so that might help to identify is anyone else has run into it before. I know Blowout Cards has a good one with lots of knowledgeable folks
@@brutusonbaseball thank you!!
@@brutusonbaseball is a 1990 Juan Gonzalez with the reverse negative AND no period after the inc, really nice?
Ive been noticing people on Ebay asking thousands of dollars for cards with printing flaws and calling them Errors. Error cards and Flawed cards are not the same. Flawed cards hold a lesser value whereas a corrected error holds a higher value.
Absolutely, wish I could like this comment more than once! This has been the most common question I've been asked about this video...printing flaws are not really error cards at all. That means wrong or blank fronts or backs, miscuts, etc. Flawed cards are not really interesting to anyone other than a very specific player collector, and even then it's hit and miss whether someone will care much.
Thanks for the comment!
They are all over on ebay. Listing card with 9 error variations and then circling and using an arrow to show the flaws, oops I mean errors. Lol my favorite is the 1990 donruss no dot after the INC error. 1 cent card selling for $250. Thanks for the video!
Those 90 Donruss variations! What a pain!
If interested in 1990 donruss errors I have 47cards plus’s double s there is oneI scanned at 429 and one 375 dollars the rest scanned at 108 each
Tell me about my 1983 topps ryan sandberg wrong back.
What would you like to know? To me this would fit into the category of a flawed card rather than an "error" card. Flawed cards have printing errors or wrong backs due to a mistake in the printing process, whereas error cards typically have a single "error" version followed by a "corrected" version.
Cards that have wrong or blank backs aren't typically valued like error cards, but they can have a market when the specific player or card is a key one. You have both of those with not only a Hall of Fame player, but his best rookie card as well! There's not many people that collect these types of cards, but Sandberg collectors are a good place to go looking if you want to sell. It's not easy to find information on wrong back cards...PSA doesn't have any registered at all that I could find, but SGC does keep track and has graded 14 wrong back versions vs. 2,300+ of the standard Sandberg rookie cards.
This of course is biased because there won't be as many versions sent in for grading with the wrong backs vs. the standard rookie versions, but it does show that there have been some graded. You just have to find the right group of collectors looking for this specific card!
Cool video - new Sub here! Great info in this video
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1981 fleer Creag Nettles instead of Greg
Good one too, I can't believe something like that got through the process, especially with a star player!
I can just imagine someone yelling across a loud printing room...
"This guy's name is Craig Nettles, right?"
"Yeah, that's Graig Nettles!"
"OK, Craig Nettles. Got it. "
Is a dubbed error worth good money I have a valuable card the weighting on the card is doubled.
Not sure what you mean exactly, like the card is double printed? Usually is it's a straight printing error (wrong back, missing ink, etc) it's seen as a quality issue more than an error and is not worth much...
@@brutusonbaseball it has been double stamped by the plate all images and writing on face of card is doubled it's a Yankee power hitters card
@@brutusonbaseball it's worth more than you think I know it
@@brutusonbaseball This error can occur during the production process, leading to a limited number of cards being unintentionally duplicated. The unique nature of double print sports cards has made them highly sought after by collectors and enthusiasts alike.
@@christopherbrown9808 you may be right, I just haven't heard much about these. Let me know if you do find a value someday or sell it, would be interesting to find out
The Carlos Beltran card was corrected!
No, that card was never printed in the corrected version. No matter what, you can only get Beltran's first card without a picture of him on it!
@@brutusonbaseball my bad is was the Juan Labron with Beltran photo! lol
@@Kiwitakimago yup, so disappointing to have a potential Hall of Famer Rookie card without the correct player on the card!
I've got the ss error. Mint. For gary shefield. I just don't know how to post the pics
Very cool, is it labeled correctly by PSA? if not, then you can often send it in on their dime to get the label corrected
good video man! i love how you get straight to the facts, audio souds great. You also taught me alot about the "fuck face card" LMAO. great content
Glad you enjoyed it, really appreciate the compliments!
I sold a 89 Donruss BB no. After INC 😂 only for a few bucks but there are some that buy
For sure, there's definitely some novelty stuff that some collectors will look for! Good memories of all those stupid junk wax errors
Frank thomas had a 2nd error card, where the black line around the name, was missing by his foot
You mean in the same 90 Topps set? A partial misfire of the black ink?
@@brutusonbaseball yup, the line goes around the whole name box, except where his foot is
@U.C.W interesting, I have not seen that one yet but will look out for it!
I just opened a 2022 topps holiday box with a Brendan Donovan rc auto with his name misspelled at the bottom. It's also number out of 250. Apparently the auto ones are the only ones that have that error. But I don't know to much more about this card.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of errors out there for modern cards, but only time will tell which ones matter and which ones don't. Usually depends on how good the player is and how important the particular card is
I love the 1987 Donruss Opening Day Bonds / Johnny Ray error card. I actually have a few of those graded error cards currently listed on eBay. I actually purchased an ungraded error card on eBay which passed eBay authentication but was found to be a counterfeit. Fortunately, I was able to get a refund for my purchase. I learned a lesson. If you want to acquire a genuine 1987 Donruss Opening Day error card, only purchase a card which has been professionally graded.
That's very interesting, especially since CGC is the grading company that checks ungraded cards from ebay for authentication. So you bought it and then sent it in to another grading company that found it to be counterfeit?
Plenty of counterfeits get past the supposed "experts" at Psa or any other grading company. Grading is just another scam to get more money out of people.
Can you do a video on football error cards??
That's a great idea, but I am not a football collector and have close to zero knowledge about it outside of Barry Sanders rookie cards. I wouldn't even know where to begin looking!
i have a frank thomas insert from the 90s, holographic, but the front is missing the whole picture of frank thomas, just the rear of the card has stats etc. so i went and bought the orignal card and mounted it next to the error. prob worth nothing i cant even find another sweet strokes insert error from the set.
That's pretty cool, especially to have the two of them side by side. Definitely worth something to a Big Hurt collector!
I agree with most of what you said, I will disagree on the market. You mentioned the 69 white letter variations. All are highly collected and are important for complete master set completers. You can say that for many of the variations from the 50s-70s. 52 and 59 have the Grey or white back. The 62 set has the green tint versions. 1974 had the Washington team variation. All are very much collected. Even those that work on the early 80s fleer and donruss or the late 80s,/90s set builders do want the errors that fleer, donruss, and score had. I know this because I was one of many.
Great points, you are correct that there is a market with vintage set collectors that are looking to complete the entire run, but I would say that's a much smaller part of the hobby so these error cards you mentioned are not as mainstream as others
@@brutusonbaseball maybe not, I just know with those that do the set registry, some count so that competition can aid in the sales and desirability. The white letter variations and the Washington ones especially so
@@brutusonbaseball I will say those early 80s sets having an those errors made trying to build that master set more enjoyable.
I can imagine, the sense of accomplishment after completing those sets with all the error variations must have felt amazing!
Til this day my favorite is the 1979 Bump Wills Rangers/Blue Jays error.
That's a fun one for sure, not often you see a card changed based on a trade rumor that never materialized!
How can the Frank Thomas NNOF get a 10 when it has a printing flaw?
That's a really great question, and one that I don't know the answer for. It would be a great question to ask a grading company!
I wonder if they would grade it from the perspective of being an error card with missing ink. That way it could get a 10 if everything else was perfect... I'm just not sure if that's how they would see it
Billy ripkin fleer with Fu on the bat
That's certainly one of them!
FF, not FU.
Why do you think the Mantle "white" error has the team name in yellow? Seem like something more than just forgetting the yellow ink if the team name has the yellow.
That's a great point and question. I don't think the printing left out yellow entirely, otherwise the coloring would have potentially been off for the whole picture. From what I understand, Topps was using several different printing presses at this time, so it could be that one of them just made the mistake of putting the name all in white instead of having the last name in yellow. There are theories about these cards only being distributed in certain regions, so that could back up the idea that all these cards came from one printer that made a temporary mistake
@@brutusonbaseballcards are/ were printed on stages so the lettering with name was done last
@@richardbianco9674 cool, thanks for adding info!
I have an upper deck error mark mcgwire and 91 topps jose gonzalez batting the opposite way😂
@@commiehunter733 cool cards, especially that reverse negative Juan Gonzalez. That one fell just outside my Top 10
I have a Hunter Pence rookie card with the wrong team name on the front. It says “New York Yankees” instead of “Houston Astros”. Would that be worth something?
That's an interesting one. A good rule of thumb is if it's a one time printing flaw, then probably not worth much. If it's a common error that was fixed at some point during production, so there's essentially one error version vs one corrected version, then that's usually worth something.
Pence was a nice player, but not a huge star, so that doesn't help with the value. One of my favorite baseball related articles of all time though was Grant Brisbee's article about fake scouting reports. Pence was the highlight...go google it if you haven't seen it!
I have the 1985 Donruss Tom Seaver card that picture is Floyd Bannister instead. I also have the f*** face Ripken card in black and white. I have that Graig Nettles card also the Mark McGwire 87 record Breakers card with the white box behind his foot and a lot of miscuts.
Those are some fun cards to remember, especially the McGwire for me. I recall going through so many of those 88 Topps packs looking for the version with the white triangle. I've been thinking about making a follow up video to this one about some of the not so commonly collected error cards...maybe I'll have to do that soon
People need to quit fixating on the "error" aspect; there are many "error" cards that were never corrected, going back to 1909-era "Cy" Young caramel cards that actually pictured Irv Young. There was also a Cap Anson card issued in the 1800's, that actually pictures Ned Williamson. Also, the T3 Turkey Red of Frank "Home Run" Baker, actually pictures his teammate, Jack Barry.
The important aspect, is that there was a variation of the card. In fact, a card can have a "variation", without there having been an "error" on it; the simple fact that the card was issued in two different variations, with one being scarce/rare, is the important factor.
Quite true and very well said. The error itself is much less important as having a correction that creates two (or multiple along the way as we have seen with some) versions, with at least one being more scarce and therefore desirable
might have a 1991 donruss jose uribe triple error card. want to get it graded if i do get it WHAT THE HELL IS IT WORTH??
Triple error Uribe?! Priceless I'm sure
@@brutusonbaseball ill sell it to you for 1000$ USD i can give you my number if your interested
The only true error card I own is the 1990 Donruss Nolan Ryan #665 - No Number Error. I didn't know an error existed until I looked at the back trying to catalogue it.
Yes, tons of little errors everywhere in that 90 Donruss set. I think their quality control department was on vacation that week!
I have the red bloody scar ken griffey jr card if interested its available .
1987 topps NESTLE DREAM TEAM JOHNNY BENCH BABE RUTH ON BACK WRONG BACK CSG 8NM only one found out of the hole set
That's an oddball one, definitely would be desirable to anyone that' a hardcore Bench collector!
Well, I have an error card that I have been searching for over 20 yrs to see the number of ppl that have this error card. 2000 topps label kurt warner class 2, "no stats on the back(which it's been graded by csg/cgc @ "8.5"). In my opinion, I wouldn't use a top 10 listing because printing errors, like the one I have, can be discovered everyday.
Yes, there are absolutely a quite large number of error cards out there produced every year that there's been cards. Lots of printing errors I'm sure. What' I've tried to do is identify the most important ones to the baseball hobby...the ones that collectors pay most attention to. Of course this list might change in the future based on new cards and/or the popularity of a certain player that has an error card, but for the most part I think the cards in this list will maintain their demand over time whereas most other error cards just don't.
The FF card is a staple in any collection
Agreed
Cool video brotha
Thanks!
I am sure I have some of these cards.
Yet HOW can I find the BEST way to sell them- and not get ripped off?
Good questions, it depends on which cards you think you have. If you have some of the older vintage ones, then they have a big market and you can find all sorts of resources to help you there.
If you're talking more of the junk wax stuff, it really comes down to 3rd party grading as they just won't get much in return unless they are in great condition. If you think you have some really good examples, then consider sending them for grading. If they're not in great condition, then they likely won't fetch a lot in return.
The Willie Ripkin card is hilarious.
Makes for a great story, doesn't it?
How messed up is PSA that didn't recognize the error
That's why I always buy from Beckett
@mikeroya i know right? What else is their research department really for?
What about Juan Gonzalez!?!?!
Great mention, but just didn't make the cut because his career fell off and there's just not many people that collect him anymore. Had to narrow it down to ten somehow!
@@brutusonbaseball lol.. you could have done 11, no one makes the "rules" here BUT you...
@@guywilliams6569 Great point...I've stated to get some comments complaining about how long my videos are so just trying to be aware of that. I don't mind long videos, but not everyone has a good attention span these days!
Do one on 1958 Mickey mantle with the gap in the bio on back, it’s a lot rarer than these, I have videos of it on my page if your interested
Thanks for the info, will check it out
@@brutusonbaseball yep, np I have discovered other errors too….. but this is the one that has potential to be a huge card in the hobby based on who it is and how rare, it’s very drastic and noticeable too
Also thank you for being accurate on nnof, everyone just thinks topps “forgot” his name but your completely correct about some kinda printing issue and it effecting all the other cards too
@@1959whitesox glad to be of service to the hobby!
@@brutusonbaseball you definitely are and have a solid channel, I’m gonna sub right now
@1959whitesox thanks for the kind words, welcome aboard!
I always heard Cal did it...
🤣😂 that would be hilarious if he did!
@@brutusonbaseball I could swear I saw a video of Cal explaining it!
@guywilliams6569 I recall a video of Billy Ripken explaining it, but haven't seen Cal comment on it
I have a card that was cut in the middle of 2 players
I've always found that really crazy how the quality process can be so bad that these types of things happen. It's more understandable with old cards i would think...how old is yours?
I purchased the ungraded 1987 Dunruss Opening Day Bonds / Johnny Ray on eBay. Before receiving the card, eBay shipped the card out to be authenticated. After receiving the card, I was able to demonstrate to eBay that the ungraded card was a counterfeit. It wasn’t easy, but I was able to get a full refund for the card.
Great story, so you are obviously more knowledgeable than CGC on Bonds error cards! Well done...I can image that was a major hassle going back through eBay, especially after they started their authentication program that wasn't good enough in this instance.
My Son bought a shoebox of 80s-90s junk wax at a garage sale and the no name Frank Thomas was in it.........The thing wrong though is some kid back in the day took it upon himself to very badly scribble the name in the blank box!
That's crazy, rare find! Thinking as a kid would, it totally makes sense to just write in the name if it's missing!
Should you get an error card graded
If it's a widely recognized and collected error card, then I would treat it like and other. If you prefer to grade your cards, then go for it.
If it's not one of those things, then probably not as it may not be worth the grading fee.
It’s the Billy Ripken one from the video great condition
@@midcityvipersbasketball8012 if you think it's in great condition the yes. It's a very popular card right now with how much collectors are focusing on 90s stuff. Some versions are worth more than others but they're all fairly collectible
Black box
I have dale murphy and randy Johnson error cards I need to grade those to see
Just sold 2 1990 Donruss Bo Jackson error cards last week. So... there's that.
Congrats! Millions of tiny errors on that 90 Donruss set
you forgot the Bump Wills card 369?
Didn't forget it, just didn't think it was in the top 10 of most important. Great story though, Sy Berger at Topps had inside information that Bump would be traded from the Rangers to the Blue Jays, so he told his team to change the team name on the card accordingly. The trade fell through though, but not before Topps had already started printing cards assuming it was a done deal!
Alex gordan makes the 6 juan Gonzales 90 donruss doesn't? Gezzzzz😢
It came down to those two cards for the "last" spot. I decided to go with the Gordon to expand the story a bit rather than focusing so much on the Era between 1989-1991 that has SO many errors. The Juan would have made a bigger impact had be finished with a better career
@brutusonbaseball in his career he batted 295, over 1400 RBI, 434 homer's, just 16 seasons. Not too shabby. One day he'll be a HOF, then he'll make your list, i just know it....L😮L
Fair enough, his career is not the kind that gets a lot of love from the Hall voters these days...but if he ever makes it in I promise to revisit all of my decisions!
So the 1989 Fleer Ripken errors are a joke, why because there are so many COUNTERFEITS its ridiculous, you can’t tell unless you send it to PSA at which time if not authentic its worthless. I sold two whiteout scribbles to a guy for $200 raw, they came back from PSA counterfeit and they came from two different places
Very interesting...can't say I'm surprised with how common these cards are, yet how difficult it is to find some of the variations. Especially when it's as easy as putting some whiteout on the bat knob to fool some people!
Hard to believe the Ripken story as what are the odds he just happens to hold the bat perfectly for the photo.
I totally get that view... I'm sure the card would have been just as iconic if the words had been upside down, but your point adds to the intrigue of maybe Ripken knew what was going on all along
4 sharpe corners is dishonest.
Can you elaborate? I don't recall...did I talk about 4SC in this video?
Shit, now I have to go through some card. 😂😂
🤣better late than never I guess, hope you can find something good!
There are no 1987 Topps Error Cards with Barry Bonds....so many scammers...
No, the 87 Topps card is not an error card. It would be accurately labeled a misprint because part of the "3" in the card number 320 on the back is missing ink. Not only is it not an error, it doesn't even have a corrected version because Topps never noticed or cared enough to fix it
Bump Wills... Rangers / Blue Jays
Yes, that's a good one to remember. Not a memorable player, but a memorable card because Topps thought a trade from the Rangers to the Blue Jays was all but done...but alas it was not!
@@brutusonbaseball Oh wow did not know that history. Sort of makes that a unique error. Thanks!
@genogeno6643 yes, the Topps inside guy at the time, Sy Berger, believed the deal was done so he told them to change the team and they would get the edge. But the deal fell through
@@brutusonbaseball Wild!
Just got a error card
Which one?
@@brutusonbaseball Kirby puckett error card
Nice, what year and set? What makes it an error?
His birth year is wrong on the card and the copyright year or something
I’ll send a picture when I get home bro
Are you freaking kidding me I just bought about five thick binders and I know for a fact right now in my storage I have two or three near mint copies inside of one of the binders of the Barry Bonds error
Well that would be quite the purchase if it turns out...let me know how you do!
You definitely have a voice for ASMR in this video.
Interesting thought...but is that a good or bad thing for baseball? Did I put you to sleep? 😁🤣
Well baseball is on the calm side. 😆
@@georgeriley4818 so true, match made in heaven then!
My card sais 1/10 even though someone has same card that is not numbered ?
What card is it? Sounds like you have a rare/limited serial numbered parallel while your friend has a common base card?
@@brutusonbaseball Connor wong mosaic pink parallel rookie card has silver numbers on back saying 01/10 in silver card number 210 people have same card on eBay but there’s don’t say 01/10 like mine ?
@tristancreasey9539 sounds like you got the limited fluorescent pink version, similar to other versions in the set but that aren't numbered to only 10. Great pull!
Check out this link below to get more info:
baseballcardpedia.com/index.php/2022_Panini_Mosaic
@@brutusonbaseballthank you so much this helps a lot
@@tristancreasey9539 my pleasure!
Great info but your voice is driving me crazy
Sorry...not much I can do about that!
These population figures are misleading. They only count those cards submitted for grading, not the total number of cards printed in any given set. Additionally, the low pop numbers for the Ripken corrected versions are just as likely to reflect the far fewer people willing to get the card graded vs the original. I mean, who's really interested in getting their Ripken black box card graded?
That's a good point, but there's not much we can do to guess at card population unless we look at the graded. You have a great point though that for the Ripken there's a lot fewer people that have graded other versions than the main F-Face version...but if the more rare ones sell for as much as they have in the past we might see more of them graded too
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The Randy Johnson opinion by Fleer is ridiculous since the Marlboro sign is in the stadium. Who cares if an ad is in the background!? Stupid people think too much.
The whole debacle Fleer went through to try and fix the problem probably drew way more attention to cigarettes than leaving the ad ever would have. But I've heard that the owners of Fleer at the time were Super religious family that were embarrassed by the Ripken and Randy "errors", so they kind of took it as their duty to fix what they saw as problems they were responsible for.
You sound really high lol
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lol....discovered????? they are intentional for collectability. the industry and hobby has turned to trash. Vintage is value
I'm not sure what cards exactly you're talking about, but I highly doubt some of the older cards were intentional. The Ripken I could see being the most likely to have been intentional, but the vintage in this video and most other junk wax era I don't think is likely.
The 89 Upper Deck was a new company with so many mistakes, I doubt the Murphy or Sheffield would have been intentional. The Frank Thomas NNOF I've heard a lot of people rumor was intentional, but it pretty obviously wasn't with the other cards on the sheet missing the black and Frank not even being one of the biggest prospects going into that season.
I agree the hobby has turned into nothing more than a rich man’s investment game. Boxes of 4 cards that sell for 25k out the door with these staged “box break” videos. Ridiculous “grading”. Nothing cool about that. Just as bad as NFTs and it’s sad. However, I don’t think the errors (at least the old ones) were intended.
@@brutusonbaseball I think he is talking about logo swaps missing name plates. Intentionally adding errors
Bonds and any steroid user should never be in the HOF, also he shouldn't even be considered great.
Best power hitter I ever saw. We all got opinions.
Very true, there's no doubt he was a great player and hitter. The way I see it is that PEDs were rampant throughout the league, he and at least half the players were probably doing something. He was still one of the best of them.