I know i am in too deep with the ragusea family of programs when i hear "its all about finding the right match" and instantly know the transition is coming
I put this through my Bluetooth speaker while I was cooking and my dog got very excited when lauren speaks. She thought it was her mom who is still at work. I had to show her the speaker but she is confused about it haha
As an NBA fan, something that jumps out at me is how for Slavic men, particularly from the former Yugoslavia, have dad bods even when they're elite athletes. See players like Nikola Jokic and Bojan Bogdanovic, who look like two random tall dudes they pulled out of the crowd at a Euroleague game.
They have normal human body fat composition because they are not obsessed with aestethics or having low body just to look good on pictures. Or would you argue that also olympic weightlifters have 'dad bods'?
I’m 30 and fat and have a girlfriend who is tiny(has run multiple marathons). We have a running joke that what she looks for in a man is … potatoes. She likes that I cook for her, and that I run warm, and that I’m goofy and non-threatening. Even though I’m more “fat” than “dad bod”, I think the dad bod idea comes from the same place. Fun guy, non-threatening(emotionally or physically), warm, probably has snacks.
@@danielwatson5595 that kind of comment would lead me to believe that you are probably not an Adam Ragusea fan, so you are you combing through 6 month old food youtube video comments to insult randos for being fat. We are both pathetic.
Adam described the male-on-male gaze and then spent the rest of the time trying to use evolutionary biology to combine and justify his own ideals of men instead of understanding that women often see men very differently. So, I agree with much of Loren's reasoning... dad bod's appeal because 1. They are more comfortable in physical relations. 2. They show that they aren't hyper-fixated on food/image. 3. Aren't as scary as jacked men. 4. If you really want to go the evolutionary route... the love handles means they can provide food. It's the combo of muscles and excess energy (fat) that are evolutionary indicators of success. If there were too many muscles, then it would show that they would need more food and that means less for the mate. A little extra energy storage along with a healthy frame = success. P.S. In an impromptu poll, out of my female hetro friends, there isn't a single one among them that doesn't find the dad bod attractive. PPS. Romance novel covers were mainly designed and signed off by men (male-on-male gaze) and women were sold this for years, but I think as the years go on and more women come into their own sense of self, you will see less of the Fabio-style men and more realistic men on the covers.
Well said, This was insightful! I think an episode on how the "male on male" gaze is warping how a lot of men are internalizing pretty toxic ideals. I think there is a disconnect where men are trying to change themselves for what women want, and vice versa rather than looking internally and working to be their own best for any potential or current partners.
1. I honestly feel like when I was when I was in my late teens/early 20’s I would have responded to the idea that “we want to be the pretty one” with similar repulsion… but I can ABSOLUTELY believe that a fair chunk of gals around that age (and older) would think like that. 2. This all reminds me about a meme where it’s like “me as a teenager” and it’s all about Legolas, then it’s like “me in my twenties” and the gal is ogling Aragorn, then it’s like “me now” and the lady is banging pots and pans shouting “SAMWISE GAMGEE IS HUSBAND GOALS!” 3. I legit gasped when Adam didn’t know who Edward Cullen was… because I was jealous.
I think the problem is that many guys are having a dad bod in their late 20s early 30s BEFORE having children. My mates in mid 30s are now having children and their dad bods are decidedly overweight and trending towards obese. This exacerbates some common issues of early parenthood, being poor sleep, lack of energy, social isolation and depression
Adam, thank you. The advice around the 40:00 minute mark really hit home for me. I’ve struggled recently establishing an exercise habit, and I think you hit the nail on the head. I’m going to find a version of myself that pushes around heavy things for the health benefits.
This was so wonderful. The banter, discussion, and recommendations are great. I was a college athlete (in a sport no one cared about, but we had a bunch of buttered up strong guys) and since getting out of school rediscovering my "new" athletic self has been so important. Great pod!
I like how adam goes on this pseudo pedantic meandering about how dad bods might "illicit femoid attraction" through pop evolutionary anthropology, and lauren's just like yeah I don't like him cause he might be mean to me. Utilizing occam's razor with surgical precision. Btw I do like adam and his videos but he does sound like a redditor sometimes lmao
Avoiding people who look like they might be mean to me is an evolutionary tactic if you think about it. I thought it was funny because it seemed to me they were saying essentially the same thing, Lauren was just being more relatable about it.
yeah that was really fucking hard to listen to. adam is one of those guys who desperately wants to be perceived as progressive but uhh sometimes his real worldview slips through
@@Treebark1313 I don't think you're giving him enough credit. We all have seeds of shitty regressive logic lurking around in the dark corners that we don't realize are still there. Talking to other people is often the only way to unearth those blind spots. I think Lauren was far more oblivious to her own blind spots when she confidently shut down reasoning from a perspective of subconscious biological/evolutionary bias. I wager she'd disavow any sense of attraction to a ripped 17 year old male while still denying any relationship between what she now finds attractive and the social trappings of maturity. And yet the very concept of dad bod (to which she expresses affinity) exists primarily as a correlation to non-physical factors, regardless of their nature (but especially ones related to caregiving and providing). That's a person completely unwilling to admit her sense of physical attraction is tied (in part) to indicators of success. It's not even a shameful thing, but because it can be framed as such, she won't even contemplate it. She's too virtuous to be susceptible to any sense of attraction that has ties to baser instincts _or_ social opportunism. Yet excluding both of those, what's left? Safety is pretty much the only underlying motivation she was willing to admit, which I find incredulous to say the least. It's valid, but not as an _exclusive_ criteria. She doesn't even allow considering a person's future physique because that's "gross" when you're in love...even though failing to do so is actually just stupid (lack of consideration for your _own_ future lifestyle) and they were talking about physical attraction - not love. My wife has some significant physical health problems which affect our lifestyle now and will do so more as we get older. Those are compromises I made when I chose her, not some kind of untouchable unique perfection I'm not allowed to even consider lest acknowledging and accommodating reality be conflated with stigmatizing it. The things we cannot do together are _real._ I have significant mental health issues that affect _her_ lifestyle, and the same applies there. The accommodations she makes for me are also real. Love blinders are not a virtue, they're a pitfall. And there's the comparative argument Lauren bluntly rejected when framed as competition, then wholeheartedly claimed when reframed as comfort. Oblivious. Adam on the other hand...we were all raised in a society that comes with a pretty shitty default world view. Progressiveness isn't perfection -- it's an open mind. He says some stupid things...and then immediately takes the pushback to heart. Mind you, while it's handled in the opposite manner, I do see his desperation for _approval,_ which tends to overshoot open mindedness and stray into the territory of uncritical sycophancy when the source of approval is too important (like, notably, his wife).
At the beginning of my Freshman year of college I was ~130lbs soaking wet (5'-9" to 5'10" depending on the time of day). I've been a runner my whole life. My roommate was a boxer, so when we started working out together, he got leaner & I put on muscle; by the beginning of my junior year, I was 159lbs & still very lean. My then girlfriend, now wife, found me uncomfortable to snuggle with, I was "too bony"; primarily, the front of my hips (superior iliac spines?) were/are prominent. After college, life happened, I continued to work out, but had a full time job, we shared an apartment, she was finishing her masters and we just wanted to spend time together when we could, and since she was not and is not into going to the gym or running, I missed more & more of my workouts, while my metabolism slowed in the background. I had also picked up brewing beer & making wine, as well as a serious interest in cooking, which didn't help. From about age 30-35 or so I had a prime "dad bod", from age 35-40 I was overweight, I peaked at 205 at the beginning of the year and got fed up with myself & started paying better attention to diet, but mixing in exercise without getting to obsessed with it. I'm no longer overweight, I'm ~167, working my way down to the 150-155 my doctor says I should be, with a target of 165 before Thanksgiving (because I'm going to enjoy Thanksgiving). When I got below 170, I took a look and saw how much soft I have still to get rid of, it's less about weight and more about bodyfat% now. If I get leaner & add muscle while staying the same weight, I'll be happy, if I get leaner while losing weight & maintaining my current build, I'll be happy; mostly just trying to be healthier; I'd like some more muscle mass, but spending time with my wife & kids is more important to me than going to the gym. She is complaining about my hips again.
I don’t watch the podcast often, but I admire the memories that which you leave behind with your wife. One day you guys will look back at this and smile. It’s beautiful
This is my favorite episode so far. Very nicely done discussion on body image and word origins. Had no idea of the origin of the term before now. I love listening to y’all!!! ❤
I've been watching Adam regularly for the better part of four years and I only today realized that part of his appeal for me is the fact that he often talks in exactly the same way Jordan Schlanksy, associate producer on CONAN, does.
I'm a 43 year old woman and my preferred type has always been Man Bear. Not that every guy I've ever dated has been a Man Bear, but that has definitely always been my preferred body type. I find the super-chiseled look pretty gross, actually. And I know how much work it takes to maintain that look, and I don't come even close to sharing that passion for fitness. To each their own, I need not partake! :) The idea that a woman "wants to be the pretty one" in the relationship is totally foreign to me. That's never even crossed my mind. Maybe because I'm comfortable with and confident in my appearance?
Cuddly people are just better. I've got a dad bod and I like my women on the curvy side because it really does make for the most cozy night-at-home kind of nights.
I think an issue is that the term can kind of be misleading when it's interpreted to mean a body that people kind of just have. Some people see CBum in the off-season and say he has a dad bod because he's got a slightly higher body fat percentage when he takes all the gear under the sun and has the best of the best genetics. The conversation has to be about what's reasonably attainable for men and not elevating harmful body standards, not just for body fat but also for lean mass.
Everyone needs to love themselves. Nobody should be mad about the kind of body they have as long as they're healthy. Being ripped because you love the gym life is cool, having some chub because you're a foodie is cool.
Lauren's correct on all of this. "Dad bod" doesn't imply that the guy was ever more fit or athletic than he currently is -- it just means that he is neither very fit nor very unfit. Not sure there's any EvoBio explanation for why women would find this body type attractive because I'm not sure most women actually do. Personally, I can't relate -- I remember reading the trend pieces on "dad bod" in 2015 and just not getting it at all. But maybe I'm the outlier. (I'm also bi so my tastes may differ from straight women's.) It also seems like even for women who do prefer a "dad bod" guy, it might be less about finding that body type the most attractive and more about deliberately choosing the not-most-attractive (but not unattractive) guy for other reasons, like the perception that Dad Bod Guy will be more nice/fun than Super Hot Guy. Again, though, Pearson's reasons just aren't relatable to me personally. I don't value being "the pretty one" in the relationship because to me, one of the main motivators for looking good in the first place is to attract an at-least-equally-good-looking mate. But to each their own.
I have to say I MUCH prefer your scripted solo content, but with everything going on, thank you for continuing to give us at least SOMETHING while you take care of yourself. Thanks Adam!
I feel like the attainment of dad bod was skipped in one of the key directions. That is to say, some weight loss topics have been covered on this show, but it would be good to cover more on the implementation side. I fully understand the theory, but it’s hard to find meals that suppress the cravings enough to allow for normal activity. Like, I’m a fat guy who squats and deadlifts in the high 300’s, Hoping to get to 400 over the next year. I built my dungeon and got pretty strong. The fat is the actual issue. The only time I’ve weighed less than 250 was when I was on anti-depressants.
I know this is probably late, as a single and dating guy in my mid-40s, a dad bod is still sought after. Probably because both people can be comfortable with each other's bodies. It's less stressful for both parties when you're not looking for the "ultimate" body.
Calling women “Females” is not always cringe, or wasn’t, when I was in service Females was the mandated term for referring to our women shipmates. It may have changed, but in early 90’s Coast Guard “Females” was the only approved term. So it still pops out sometimes. 😁
I think it makes sense and thats why I hate when people blanketly act like the word female being used at all is a red flag. Its important to understand the female is primarily an adjective, and using it as an adjective is great. Its only when you use it as a noun that it becomes sketchy. Being called a female Officer is different than just being called a female, because it assumes that the only important thing about the people you are talking about is their gender since there is no noun being attached to it. Also it is creepy to use female as a noun because its academic. In a lot of languages we tend to have words or phrases that are only used in academia, but would be rare for someone to say in everyday situations and conversations. We do this as a species to be able to talk about topics in a more clinical way that doesn’t corrupt the words. So using female as a noun sort of distances the person from the situation, its as if they are looking at a science experiment, and not another human being.
@@WARnTEA it also removes the loaded language of gender. A female might be a trans female. In the process of transitioning to female. And can request female pronouns. Or, vice versa. It also leaves a neutral space for nonbinary. Not male, not female, and not going in either direction. Probably just quibbling about semantics, the people who understand, already understand. The people who don’t will just hate the new vernacular.
It’s not that it wasn’t always cringe, we just didn’t always have the word cringe in the way we use it now… And they forced you to do something that was cringe. Being mandated to do something doesn’t make it not cringe.
I honestly feel that the term "dad bod" means so many things that discussing whether people like it or not doesn't mean anything. I feel like most people who are positive about it think it is what you describe it to be Adam: a good amount of muscle but with some 15-20 percent body fat. It's low body fat with enough muscle for it to be obvious that the person has nice muscle or is strong, and it is nicely maintainable. You also don't have all the physical drawbacks of being extremely lean, and it's probably pretty healthy. It almost feel like a no-brainer to call a body with a good amount of muscle and no crazy low or high body fat percentage a preferred body type (on average, people have different preferences, of course) because almost no-one dislikes a bit of muscle and it's not polarising between being super shredded (which might send messages such as "not being fun" or "not cuddly" or "gym obsessed" or vain) and pretty heavy (which is disliked more on average). Then there are the people who are negative about the dad bod, and they describe it as a body that is mostly untrained and not super overweight but does have a "beer gut" with perhaps a lot of visceral fat which is probably a pretty big health risk. And then there are people who describe Mr Olympia Classic Physique winners in their off-season with a dad bod which is crazy. EDIT: probably more like 20-25 or even 20-30 percent body fat for the "positive dad bod". 15-20 is still pretty low!
Its funny, years ago I saw a study where an anthropologist went to different indigenous tribes of South America and Africa showing them silhouettes of different body types. The men chose females with more curves and the women chose the dadbod.
Worth noting that gay erotica has massively transformed in the last 15 years. We’ve now hit the era of twinks and bears (skinny and effeminate like Timothee Chálamet, and large 300lbs men respectively). The muscle man archetype just isn’t the center of attention anymore.
Mr. Ragusea, I’ve sent so many emails about the Clemson blue cheese that I’m dissatisfied you don’t know where the school is! Still think it’s the perfect idea for a video! Go tigers!
Thank you Lauren for being the voice of reason. It was hard listening to Adam glazing muscular dudes the entire podcast 😭 my guy projecting so much while jokingly(?) saying it was objective reasoning
Yeah, a whole bunch of Adam projecting why he would be attracted to a dad bod because of rationale behind said bod that he imagines. It's nice to have Lauren say, "yeah, y'know, maybe that's what would float YOUR boat"😅. Love that balance and energy. Also, I've long contended that guys mold themselves to be and behave as what they would be attracted to and then project onto women rather than listening to what actually makes another person tick. I think Adam fell into that one this time. No shade, just observation. I enjoyed this chat thoroughly.
As a former Clemson student, I need to point out that outside of the student athletes that went there, the male student body itself was not particularly in shape when I was there.
Great discussion. I had something a dad bod in my late 20s, early 30s. I did get a girlfriend with that physique. But I just got in really good shape and she doesn't seem to be turned off at all. Probably the opposite. And I feel like I can still get things done. Probably more than before, in fact!
@@pabloa..That's the one, brother. Enjoy the feast! He's also got his own "philosophy-talk" channel called Mike Israetel: Making Progress. Food for thought!
I used to be bone thin. 6’-2”, 150lbs. My wife called me “Skeletor” 🤣 I definitely fit into the first definition posed by Adam now. But I also care about my fitness, mostly for cardio health and not appearance. I don’t want to look like a fitness influencer - they’re probably so tired/hungry from trying to look perfect and working out all the time, I could flatten or outrun them anyway. TLDR; I’m fit enough, plus I have reserves! :)
Bi guy here. I find it is more straight men who ogle body-builders. I find the whole thing super weird (and so homo-erotic that it goes past gayness). I am more attracted to dad bod-ish men as well. I'm not sure if my experience is all that representative of gay men. And lots of MSM people seem to be attracted to more feminine presenting men, or rather heavy set/higher body fat men. The gay community even has names for these body types--though I also find that tribal identification kind of weird. Also commenting just to call out the point that bi people get forgotten in these conversations about the difference between gay and straight men. There are probably about the same number or more bi men as gay men, though 80%+ are not out.
I don't get it, my nearly 40 year old dad bod is a mere 5kg heavier than my 18 year old bod. Feeding myself has little influence on my overly skinny now dad bod (I'm a dad, I have a bod). However this is good for my wife, and her mom bod is good for me.
Хобби
We, as a society, really missed a beat when we decided to call them "Dad Bods" instead of "Father Figures"
What are you going on about, my scrow
Good pun, but too complicated. The nineteen year old was correct.
@@busimagendude, it's a joke
fatherly figures
@@busimagen you must be joy to be around in real life.
24:45 Oh Adam! You sweet innocent child. Please, don't ever search for "Bear" or "Daddy" with the safety off, ok?😂
I know i am in too deep with the ragusea family of programs when i hear "its all about finding the right match" and instantly know the transition is coming
I put this through my Bluetooth speaker while I was cooking and my dog got very excited when lauren speaks. She thought it was her mom who is still at work. I had to show her the speaker but she is confused about it haha
why do ur older dog work? it is rare for older dog to do job yes?
People who refer to themselves as parents of their pets are sick in the head.
@@2unknown2111🤣🤣🤣
As an NBA fan, something that jumps out at me is how for Slavic men, particularly from the former Yugoslavia, have dad bods even when they're elite athletes. See players like Nikola Jokic and Bojan Bogdanovic, who look like two random tall dudes they pulled out of the crowd at a Euroleague game.
Excessive alcohol consumption tends to have that effect.
@@AikaCraftyCat Yeah, that's just alcoholic fatty liver.
They have normal human body fat composition because they are not obsessed with aestethics or having low body just to look good on pictures. Or would you argue that also olympic weightlifters have 'dad bods'?
No? Look at the Klitschkos
That grunt to stand up at the end was the perfect ending to the episode on 'dad bod'!
😂 lol
Love Laurens "In the library cramming for my Orgo final" aesthetic she's got going on here.
Orgo?
@@BernardoPatino Student slang(common with pre-med majors) for Organic Chemistry, often considered a really hard class.
@@FpsGamer43 oh okok thx:))
as soon as Adam started saying "indeed" a lot I felt it coming
I do hope that's not what he says 😅
You think he's paid per "Indeed"?
@@luna-futures i do indeed
Yeah, it really set off my spidey-sense.
preparing for the teal'c cosplay
I’m 30 and fat and have a girlfriend who is tiny(has run multiple marathons). We have a running joke that what she looks for in a man is … potatoes. She likes that I cook for her, and that I run warm, and that I’m goofy and non-threatening.
Even though I’m more “fat” than “dad bod”, I think the dad bod idea comes from the same place. Fun guy, non-threatening(emotionally or physically), warm, probably has snacks.
Potatoes are pretty great TBH
Being physically pathetic when you have a tiny girlfriend relying on you to protect her is nothing to be proud of. Do better.
@@danielwatson5595 that kind of comment would lead me to believe that you are probably not an Adam Ragusea fan, so you are you combing through 6 month old food youtube video comments to insult randos for being fat. We are both pathetic.
@@suburiboy cope with whatever random assumptions you need lol
I so love how we're still considered Vinegar Legates it's been so long since I've heard the term but it made me kick my legs with glee
Same!
Adam described the male-on-male gaze and then spent the rest of the time trying to use evolutionary biology to combine and justify his own ideals of men instead of understanding that women often see men very differently. So, I agree with much of Loren's reasoning... dad bod's appeal because 1. They are more comfortable in physical relations. 2. They show that they aren't hyper-fixated on food/image. 3. Aren't as scary as jacked men. 4. If you really want to go the evolutionary route... the love handles means they can provide food. It's the combo of muscles and excess energy (fat) that are evolutionary indicators of success. If there were too many muscles, then it would show that they would need more food and that means less for the mate. A little extra energy storage along with a healthy frame = success.
P.S. In an impromptu poll, out of my female hetro friends, there isn't a single one among them that doesn't find the dad bod attractive.
PPS. Romance novel covers were mainly designed and signed off by men (male-on-male gaze) and women were sold this for years, but I think as the years go on and more women come into their own sense of self, you will see less of the Fabio-style men and more realistic men on the covers.
Well said, This was insightful! I think an episode on how the "male on male" gaze is warping how a lot of men are internalizing pretty toxic ideals. I think there is a disconnect where men are trying to change themselves for what women want, and vice versa rather than looking internally and working to be their own best for any potential or current partners.
The male definition of attractiveness is basically who would kill the other in a fight.
1. I honestly feel like when I was when I was in my late teens/early 20’s I would have responded to the idea that “we want to be the pretty one” with similar repulsion… but I can ABSOLUTELY believe that a fair chunk of gals around that age (and older) would think like that.
2. This all reminds me about a meme where it’s like “me as a teenager” and it’s all about Legolas, then it’s like “me in my twenties” and the gal is ogling Aragorn, then it’s like “me now” and the lady is banging pots and pans shouting “SAMWISE GAMGEE IS HUSBAND GOALS!”
3. I legit gasped when Adam didn’t know who Edward Cullen was… because I was jealous.
New slogan for the channel: Adam Ragusea: If a dad bod could have a conversation.
I think the problem is that many guys are having a dad bod in their late 20s early 30s BEFORE having children.
My mates in mid 30s are now having children and their dad bods are decidedly overweight and trending towards obese.
This exacerbates some common issues of early parenthood, being poor sleep, lack of energy, social isolation and depression
Adam, thank you. The advice around the 40:00 minute mark really hit home for me. I’ve struggled recently establishing an exercise habit, and I think you hit the nail on the head. I’m going to find a version of myself that pushes around heavy things for the health benefits.
The number of open tabs on that laptop is criminal. Plus, browser needs update and the update button is red (chrome is mad).
It's due time to discover vertical tab bar
This was so wonderful. The banter, discussion, and recommendations are great.
I was a college athlete (in a sport no one cared about, but we had a bunch of buttered up strong guys) and since getting out of school rediscovering my "new" athletic self has been so important.
Great pod!
I like how adam goes on this pseudo pedantic meandering about how dad bods might "illicit femoid attraction" through pop evolutionary anthropology, and lauren's just like yeah I don't like him cause he might be mean to me. Utilizing occam's razor with surgical precision.
Btw I do like adam and his videos but he does sound like a redditor sometimes lmao
Avoiding people who look like they might be mean to me is an evolutionary tactic if you think about it. I thought it was funny because it seemed to me they were saying essentially the same thing, Lauren was just being more relatable about it.
yeah that was really fucking hard to listen to. adam is one of those guys who desperately wants to be perceived as progressive but uhh sometimes his real worldview slips through
@Treebark1313 the idea that you can't be progressive and also accept that evolutionary/animalistic/biological factors are real is brain dead stupid.
200% agreed. It is an interesting theory too, just way off the mark (probably) and definitely awkward as hell in terminology/definition
@@Treebark1313 I don't think you're giving him enough credit. We all have seeds of shitty regressive logic lurking around in the dark corners that we don't realize are still there. Talking to other people is often the only way to unearth those blind spots. I think Lauren was far more oblivious to her own blind spots when she confidently shut down reasoning from a perspective of subconscious biological/evolutionary bias.
I wager she'd disavow any sense of attraction to a ripped 17 year old male while still denying any relationship between what she now finds attractive and the social trappings of maturity. And yet the very concept of dad bod (to which she expresses affinity) exists primarily as a correlation to non-physical factors, regardless of their nature (but especially ones related to caregiving and providing). That's a person completely unwilling to admit her sense of physical attraction is tied (in part) to indicators of success.
It's not even a shameful thing, but because it can be framed as such, she won't even contemplate it. She's too virtuous to be susceptible to any sense of attraction that has ties to baser instincts _or_ social opportunism. Yet excluding both of those, what's left? Safety is pretty much the only underlying motivation she was willing to admit, which I find incredulous to say the least. It's valid, but not as an _exclusive_ criteria. She doesn't even allow considering a person's future physique because that's "gross" when you're in love...even though failing to do so is actually just stupid (lack of consideration for your _own_ future lifestyle) and they were talking about physical attraction - not love.
My wife has some significant physical health problems which affect our lifestyle now and will do so more as we get older. Those are compromises I made when I chose her, not some kind of untouchable unique perfection I'm not allowed to even consider lest acknowledging and accommodating reality be conflated with stigmatizing it. The things we cannot do together are _real._ I have significant mental health issues that affect _her_ lifestyle, and the same applies there. The accommodations she makes for me are also real. Love blinders are not a virtue, they're a pitfall.
And there's the comparative argument Lauren bluntly rejected when framed as competition, then wholeheartedly claimed when reframed as comfort. Oblivious.
Adam on the other hand...we were all raised in a society that comes with a pretty shitty default world view. Progressiveness isn't perfection -- it's an open mind. He says some stupid things...and then immediately takes the pushback to heart. Mind you, while it's handled in the opposite manner, I do see his desperation for _approval,_ which tends to overshoot open mindedness and stray into the territory of uncritical sycophancy when the source of approval is too important (like, notably, his wife).
At the beginning of my Freshman year of college I was ~130lbs soaking wet (5'-9" to 5'10" depending on the time of day). I've been a runner my whole life. My roommate was a boxer, so when we started working out together, he got leaner & I put on muscle; by the beginning of my junior year, I was 159lbs & still very lean. My then girlfriend, now wife, found me uncomfortable to snuggle with, I was "too bony"; primarily, the front of my hips (superior iliac spines?) were/are prominent. After college, life happened, I continued to work out, but had a full time job, we shared an apartment, she was finishing her masters and we just wanted to spend time together when we could, and since she was not and is not into going to the gym or running, I missed more & more of my workouts, while my metabolism slowed in the background. I had also picked up brewing beer & making wine, as well as a serious interest in cooking, which didn't help. From about age 30-35 or so I had a prime "dad bod", from age 35-40 I was overweight, I peaked at 205 at the beginning of the year and got fed up with myself & started paying better attention to diet, but mixing in exercise without getting to obsessed with it. I'm no longer overweight, I'm ~167, working my way down to the 150-155 my doctor says I should be, with a target of 165 before Thanksgiving (because I'm going to enjoy Thanksgiving). When I got below 170, I took a look and saw how much soft I have still to get rid of, it's less about weight and more about bodyfat% now. If I get leaner & add muscle while staying the same weight, I'll be happy, if I get leaner while losing weight & maintaining my current build, I'll be happy; mostly just trying to be healthier; I'd like some more muscle mass, but spending time with my wife & kids is more important to me than going to the gym. She is complaining about my hips again.
You can buy an inexpensive kalinestetic gym for around 150 USD and exercise at home with rubber bands... no more excuses!
I do love having Lauren there to counterbalance Adam's "objective" evopsych spitballing
Lauren doing a great job at being the stand (sit?) in for the audience. Coming in cold :D
Yeah same, I like the opposing input
I love you two on the podcast. Every episode is a gift
I don’t watch the podcast often, but I admire the memories that which you leave behind with your wife. One day you guys will look back at this and smile. It’s beautiful
Thank you so much, Adam, for saying "make good choices" this week and thank you, Lauren, for reminding him to PSSSHHEW
Gonna need a review of the twilight films on this podcast now. Mainly I need Adam to analyze wtf is happening in breaking dawn part 1.
Don’t do that to Adam, we like Adam
This is my favorite episode so far. Very nicely done discussion on body image and word origins. Had no idea of the origin of the term before now. I love listening to y’all!!! ❤
Great fun talk. Loved it. I literally laughed out loud a good number of times.
I like how the sheet of paper acts as a comma on the thumbnail, "on dad, bod" sounds so funny
I don't know if I am more entertained by your ad transitions, or Lauren's reactions to them 😂
I've been watching Adam regularly for the better part of four years and I only today realized that part of his appeal for me is the fact that he often talks in exactly the same way Jordan Schlanksy, associate producer on CONAN, does.
Lauren, you just killed it in this episode. Thanks a lot both of you
I'm a 43 year old woman and my preferred type has always been Man Bear. Not that every guy I've ever dated has been a Man Bear, but that has definitely always been my preferred body type. I find the super-chiseled look pretty gross, actually. And I know how much work it takes to maintain that look, and I don't come even close to sharing that passion for fitness. To each their own, I need not partake! :)
The idea that a woman "wants to be the pretty one" in the relationship is totally foreign to me. That's never even crossed my mind. Maybe because I'm comfortable with and confident in my appearance?
Awesome episode Adam and Lauren! Always a pleasure to see you both on the show
Strong and soft would be my quick definition.
I spent time with a dad bod partner when I was 19 and the cuddly comfort was a treat.
Cuddly people are just better. I've got a dad bod and I like my women on the curvy side because it really does make for the most cozy night-at-home kind of nights.
3:00 the takeaway here may be that whilst not all goatees are sinister, goatee-twirling is a marker of sinisterness impossible without one.
This episode really helped me feel better about myself. I definitely struggle with this stuff.
I definitely think a partner really contributes to "what you like"
Was not expecting to hear that this phrase started at my university. (And, yes, it's in Clemson, SC in the upstate.)
If I don't hear Adam tell me "You need Indeed" in any given week, it's not as good a week as it could have been
you guys are so cute! always love when lauren features in your videos
I think an issue is that the term can kind of be misleading when it's interpreted to mean a body that people kind of just have. Some people see CBum in the off-season and say he has a dad bod because he's got a slightly higher body fat percentage when he takes all the gear under the sun and has the best of the best genetics. The conversation has to be about what's reasonably attainable for men and not elevating harmful body standards, not just for body fat but also for lean mass.
Everyone needs to love themselves. Nobody should be mad about the kind of body they have as long as they're healthy. Being ripped because you love the gym life is cool, having some chub because you're a foodie is cool.
Phil "The Thrill" Kessel is peak dadbod and ironman energy.
I prefered you before the PT. Sure, you became 'taught' but before that you looked more confident and relaxed.
As a representative of the 🏳️🌈 people, Dad bods are a hot commodity, aka. Bears 🐻
Ayyyy go kraken! Love to see the rep
I appreciate you and thank you for making content.
As someone that pursues bodybuilding, dadbods are definitely more fun 😊
Lauren's correct on all of this. "Dad bod" doesn't imply that the guy was ever more fit or athletic than he currently is -- it just means that he is neither very fit nor very unfit. Not sure there's any EvoBio explanation for why women would find this body type attractive because I'm not sure most women actually do. Personally, I can't relate -- I remember reading the trend pieces on "dad bod" in 2015 and just not getting it at all. But maybe I'm the outlier. (I'm also bi so my tastes may differ from straight women's.)
It also seems like even for women who do prefer a "dad bod" guy, it might be less about finding that body type the most attractive and more about deliberately choosing the not-most-attractive (but not unattractive) guy for other reasons, like the perception that Dad Bod Guy will be more nice/fun than Super Hot Guy. Again, though, Pearson's reasons just aren't relatable to me personally. I don't value being "the pretty one" in the relationship because to me, one of the main motivators for looking good in the first place is to attract an at-least-equally-good-looking mate. But to each their own.
u need to setup timestamps , its hard to listen in one go . please consider
Thank you for the explosion Lauren, my week is ruined whenever he forgets!
I have to say I MUCH prefer your scripted solo content, but with everything going on, thank you for continuing to give us at least SOMETHING while you take care of yourself. Thanks Adam!
What is going on?
"You have a hard time with the Hokey Pokey." Winning comment, Lauren!
I feel like the attainment of dad bod was skipped in one of the key directions.
That is to say, some weight loss topics have been covered on this show, but it would be good to cover more on the implementation side. I fully understand the theory, but it’s hard to find meals that suppress the cravings enough to allow for normal activity.
Like, I’m a fat guy who squats and deadlifts in the high 300’s, Hoping to get to 400 over the next year. I built my dungeon and got pretty strong. The fat is the actual issue. The only time I’ve weighed less than 250 was when I was on anti-depressants.
I pulled up RUclips hoping for something to listen to while I'm at work and immediately got the notification for today's podcast. Perfect timing
Woman listener/viewer here, just stopping by to say you and Lauren are so sweet!!!!🥰
Adam drifting super close to mansplaining how women are attracted to men 😂😂😂
I know this is probably late, as a single and dating guy in my mid-40s, a dad bod is still sought after. Probably because both people can be comfortable with each other's bodies. It's less stressful for both parties when you're not looking for the "ultimate" body.
Please make a video where you try all the different potatoes and find out what is best for deep fry and active stirring air fryer.
Mighty Adam of the Sea of Ragu, your casted pod has been found at the shores of Norway where its wisdom is well appreciated.
lmao
Hi Adam, are you making more knives for this holiday season?
Calling women “Females” is not always cringe, or wasn’t, when I was in service Females was the mandated term for referring to our women shipmates. It may have changed, but in early 90’s Coast Guard “Females” was the only approved term. So it still pops out sometimes. 😁
I think it makes sense and thats why I hate when people blanketly act like the word female being used at all is a red flag.
Its important to understand the female is primarily an adjective, and using it as an adjective is great. Its only when you use it as a noun that it becomes sketchy.
Being called a female Officer is different than just being called a female, because it assumes that the only important thing about the people you are talking about is their gender since there is no noun being attached to it.
Also it is creepy to use female as a noun because its academic. In a lot of languages we tend to have words or phrases that are only used in academia, but would be rare for someone to say in everyday situations and conversations. We do this as a species to be able to talk about topics in a more clinical way that doesn’t corrupt the words. So using female as a noun sort of distances the person from the situation, its as if they are looking at a science experiment, and not another human being.
@@WARnTEA it also removes the loaded language of gender. A female might be a trans female. In the process of transitioning to female. And can request female pronouns. Or, vice versa. It also leaves a neutral space for nonbinary. Not male, not female, and not going in either direction. Probably just quibbling about semantics, the people who understand, already understand. The people who don’t will just hate the new vernacular.
It’s not that it wasn’t always cringe, we just didn’t always have the word cringe in the way we use it now… And they forced you to do something that was cringe. Being mandated to do something doesn’t make it not cringe.
The associations and nuances words have change over time 🤷♂️ welcome to human language
I just imagine a Ferengi from star trek when someone says "female" when talking about women
Adam is that the Dallas skyline on your laptop sticker?
I honestly feel that the term "dad bod" means so many things that discussing whether people like it or not doesn't mean anything. I feel like most people who are positive about it think it is what you describe it to be Adam: a good amount of muscle but with some 15-20 percent body fat. It's low body fat with enough muscle for it to be obvious that the person has nice muscle or is strong, and it is nicely maintainable. You also don't have all the physical drawbacks of being extremely lean, and it's probably pretty healthy. It almost feel like a no-brainer to call a body with a good amount of muscle and no crazy low or high body fat percentage a preferred body type (on average, people have different preferences, of course) because almost no-one dislikes a bit of muscle and it's not polarising between being super shredded (which might send messages such as "not being fun" or "not cuddly" or "gym obsessed" or vain) and pretty heavy (which is disliked more on average). Then there are the people who are negative about the dad bod, and they describe it as a body that is mostly untrained and not super overweight but does have a "beer gut" with perhaps a lot of visceral fat which is probably a pretty big health risk. And then there are people who describe Mr Olympia Classic Physique winners in their off-season with a dad bod which is crazy. EDIT: probably more like 20-25 or even 20-30 percent body fat for the "positive dad bod". 15-20 is still pretty low!
Its funny, years ago I saw a study where an anthropologist went to different indigenous tribes of South America and Africa showing them silhouettes of different body types. The men chose females with more curves and the women chose the dadbod.
Worth noting that gay erotica has massively transformed in the last 15 years. We’ve now hit the era of twinks and bears (skinny and effeminate like Timothee Chálamet, and large 300lbs men respectively). The muscle man archetype just isn’t the center of attention anymore.
Mr. Ragusea, I’ve sent so many emails about the Clemson blue cheese that I’m dissatisfied you don’t know where the school is! Still think it’s the perfect idea for a video! Go tigers!
I'm starting my spring semester in biochem in January at CU! Go Tigers!
Thank you Lauren for being the voice of reason. It was hard listening to Adam glazing muscular dudes the entire podcast 😭 my guy projecting so much while jokingly(?) saying it was objective reasoning
Yeah, a whole bunch of Adam projecting why he would be attracted to a dad bod because of rationale behind said bod that he imagines. It's nice to have Lauren say, "yeah, y'know, maybe that's what would float YOUR boat"😅. Love that balance and energy.
Also, I've long contended that guys mold themselves to be and behave as what they would be attracted to and then project onto women rather than listening to what actually makes another person tick. I think Adam fell into that one this time. No shade, just observation. I enjoyed this chat thoroughly.
Women are lying to you on the appeal of dad bods if you look at the data, but women aren't into chiseled statues of men generally either.
This should be called the dad bod pod
The comment about how men, including gay men, oggle at shredded guys negates the fact that BEARS exist
As a former Clemson student, I need to point out that outside of the student athletes that went there, the male student body itself was not particularly in shape when I was there.
You can have a dad bod and still have dad strength and other super powers.
Superpowers like dad jokes 😁
Adam you should come back to Columbia!! We’ve got great stuff going on here
The episodes with Lauren are my favorite
Great discussion. I had something a dad bod in my late 20s, early 30s. I did get a girlfriend with that physique. But I just got in really good shape and she doesn't seem to be turned off at all. Probably the opposite. And I feel like I can still get things done. Probably more than before, in fact!
I will forever be grateful to Adam for introducing me to Dr. Mike!💪
I'm trying to get to his channel. Is it @Renaissance Periodization?
@@pabloa..That's the one, brother. Enjoy the feast! He's also got his own "philosophy-talk" channel called Mike Israetel: Making Progress. Food for thought!
@@kimdecker8901, thanks, my friend! Just subscribed.
I think it is time you guys invest in some mic stands and arms lol
Love your channel. I think I would rather watch your podcast topics separately on RUclips, however.
24:45 I mean, aren't bears the equivalent of dad bods for gay men?
Not really, though there is overlap of course
"Athletic Identity" is a nice concept. Gonna let that percolate in my sleep.
Unfortunately with my metabolism I'll not get a dad bod for quite some time
Dad Bod = Captain Kirk.
Anything less fit than that isnt Dad Bod, its just a Lardass.
WOOT WOOT
I used to be bone thin. 6’-2”, 150lbs. My wife called me “Skeletor” 🤣
I definitely fit into the first definition posed by Adam now. But I also care about my fitness, mostly for cardio health and not appearance.
I don’t want to look like a fitness influencer - they’re probably so tired/hungry from trying to look perfect and working out all the time, I could flatten or outrun them anyway.
TLDR; I’m fit enough, plus I have reserves! :)
Timothee Chalamet is the guy she told you not to worry about.
What's up with the Kraken shirt? Any ties to Seattle?
Just want to say that Clemson is near Central, a town in western South Carolina, but is nowhere near the center of the state.
Is adam still doing podcasts? I notice it's been a while since the last episode
Idk why RUclips doesn't recc your podcasts for me. I just saw your newest one and came straight here
The buttery coat comment reminded me of how the ideal steak is good protein but sufficient fat marbling
Why does he have so many tabs open lmao.
Hey Adam! Any plans to make an ad-free version? Maybe on Patreon?
Is Lauren a Kraken fan? Dope
As a 15 year old I love your content, funny to think most of the audience is my age😂
All hail Lauren!
Bi guy here. I find it is more straight men who ogle body-builders. I find the whole thing super weird (and so homo-erotic that it goes past gayness). I am more attracted to dad bod-ish men as well. I'm not sure if my experience is all that representative of gay men. And lots of MSM people seem to be attracted to more feminine presenting men, or rather heavy set/higher body fat men. The gay community even has names for these body types--though I also find that tribal identification kind of weird.
Also commenting just to call out the point that bi people get forgotten in these conversations about the difference between gay and straight men. There are probably about the same number or more bi men as gay men, though 80%+ are not out.
I don't get it, my nearly 40 year old dad bod is a mere 5kg heavier than my 18 year old bod. Feeding myself has little influence on my overly skinny now dad bod (I'm a dad, I have a bod).
However this is good for my wife, and her mom bod is good for me.
Dad Bod = "This is a guy that's going to get shit done". Is there anything hotter in the world?
Go Kraken!