Ask dairy farmer Manjit: What about the calves? 'Clean' raw milk? Does milking hurt? (PODCAST E65)
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Thanks to Manjit Bhatti from Cruze Farm Dairy for answering questions! www.cruzefarm....
Would love to have this guy back for another podcast. I love long form talks with experts in their field.
Hi Adam, this is Will. Thanks for asking Manjit my question. I appreciate his honest and comprehensive answer and will share this episode with anyone who I end up discussing milk production with in the future!
Good question! Thank you for asking that.
"If your daughter was a cow, and she had to go off and be milked somewhere, you would want to send her to Cruze Farm." (A. Ragusea, 2023)
If your daughter was a cow, you would want to send her to a farm animal sanctuary instead of any dairy farm. When dairy cows quit producing milk economically, they are sent to be slaughtered, for one thing.
If your daughter was a cow, would you be happy with a man fisting her anus, forcibly artificially insemination her, taking her newborn after nine months, repeating this for years till she can't produce milk for you to exploit and drink so she's executed. No thanks.
says a guy who only has sons, of course
Yeah, I really find it hilarious how detached he is from reality if he really could say that. I guess if you really lived in a world were there was absolutely no other better choices, then sure. Just have your daughter raped so she gets pregnant, take her baby away later and then milk her. Oh, also you've genetically modified your daughter so that she's producing more milk than naturally so that she'll be extremely relieved when milked cause otherwise it hurts and she gets infections. And then once she's past her 4th child and start producing less milk you can slaughter your daughter... XD
@@Ermude10 Well said. I was in a hurry to get to bed when I made my reply, but I am glad you added all those other reasons to boycott animal products. Here are some more.
1-Your own health (vegans are less likely to get the most common chronic, deadly diseases)
2-Helping to end animal agriculture would reduce the chance of another pandemic & other zoonotic diseases
3-Helping to end animal ag would reduce the chance of the development of an antibiotic resistant pathogen.
4-Animal ag wastes a huge amount of fresh water. Each vegan saves 219,000 gallons of water every year!
5-Animal ag is a major cause of water pollution
6-Animal ag is a major cause of deforestation
7-Animal ag increases PTSD and spousal abuse in the people who work in slaughterhouses. Workers in meat packing facilities often endure terrible, dangerous working conditions.
8-Animal ag is a major cause of the loss of habitat and biodiversity
9-Needless killing of innocent, sentient beings cannot be ethically justified.
10- It is the single most effective way for each of us to fight climate change and environmental degradation.
11- Longer lifespan.
12- Healthier weight (vegans were the only dietary group in the Adventist Studies that had an average BMI in the recommended range.)
13- A healthy plant based diet significantly reduces the chances of ED later in life, and even 1 meal can improve bedroom performance
14- Vegetarians and vegans have lower rates of dementia later in life
15- A plant based diet could save money! You could reduce your food budget by one third!
16-A fully plant based diet improves the immune system according to a study published in the journal BMJ Nutrition Prevention & Health
17-A fully plant based food system would greatly reduce food borne illnesses like salmonella
18-A fully plant based food system would be able to feed millions more people. Our population is growing!
19-A fully plant based food system would save 13,000 lives a year from the air pollution caused by animal agriculture, according to a study
20- A vegan world would save 8 million human lives a year, and $1 trillion in health care and related costs (Oxford Study)
Links for some of these are at my channel under "About."
If you doubt any of them, I would be glad to cite evidence from credible sources to back them up. RUclips only allows a certain number of links at my channel.
After I made my list, I found this video with his own list which overlaps mine. He cites evidence from credible sources in the description.
ruclips.net/video/uc6Mjms1rhM/видео.html
“raw” “milking” and “adam raguesa,” can’t wait for the ytps
Same
I love knowing that Adam most definitely knows the ytps exist and has seen them but will never acknowledge their existence
If you make a YTP from this video I will PUT you UNDER the broiler, what brits would call a grill.
@@MoneyChanger02 NNNNNOOOOOOOOOO
@@ststst981 he has acknowledged their existence
Big ups to Manjit for fielding all these questions. It was super informative for a suburban schmuck like me who genuinely doesn't know much about farmsteading.
Sikhs really are the nicest people in the world! I went to a Sikh temple to learn more about them when I was in New Dehli earlier this year and outside of the kindness showed to me as a visitor, their commitment to caring for the community was one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen.
I think the question about cows being regularly impregnated is more about the physical toll pregnancy takes.
But you heard the lady. Cows have to be content to give milk. And you and cows don't release oxytoxin unless you are happy and healthy. So, unhappy cow=no oxytoxin release=no milk
@@BigHenForThey better be happy or else they die.
@@BigHenFor But that's an industry lie. Cows give milk because they recently gave birth; there is some indication that happiness helps them produce móre of it.
@@IMatchoNation The guy said that the farmer will have to replace the calf in the case that the original calf dies otherwise she will "dry up", so it's not just that they recently gave birth, but rather currently have a calf to feed.
That's probably an aspect (physical toll), but i've also heard people criticise that the calf gets seperated from the mother and that that is stressfull. After all you want to sell the milk to humans, so you don't want the calf to "steal" too much milk.
I'm from New Zealand, studying agricultural scicnce at university. I've worked part time on a dairy farm for 3 years mainly milking and doing odd jobs. The first question about the myth of calves needing to be born and taken away from their mum is not a myth at all, its a fact of farming. For a cow to produce milk she must give birth, she will then produce milk for as long as you continue milking her, but here in New Zealand the grass doesn't grow enough to feed a lactating cow in the winter (in Canterbury atleast, there are places where it does grow enough) so we "dry off" all the cows and stop milking them over the winter months. This gives them a 2 month break (some farmers milk all year round, and have say, 10 groups of cows that each give birth throughout the year to keep a steady supply), the farm I work at drys off. Then in the spring, when the grass grows again the cows give birth after 10 months gestation (we artificially insemniate ours in summer, they are milked while pregnant for most of the year), we have a paddock where we have cows that are due to give birth and we check it each day, any calves that are born are taken away from their mum to the calf rearing barn where they are fed milk for 4 days then sent on a truck to be slaughtered. 4 days is the minimum age your legally allowed to send a calf away and most farmers (including the farm i work at) send them away as soon as possible. The calves are essentially a waste/ by product of the dairy industry. That being said, some farmers impregnate their milking cows with the sperm of a beef bull and raise the calves for beef, extending their life to 2 years or sell the calves to beef farmers who raise them. The farm i work at to reduce this "waste" has a contract to supply wagyu calves to a beef farm for the first time this year. Roughly 20% of the calves with the best genetics are kept to replace the herd as the older cows are culled. The question of what to do with the remaining calves is a difficult one and the industry is open to ideas. Ask me any further questions if you like.
Go vegan
@@bagpiper117 interesting option
@@bagpiper117Was for a year. I benefitted alot I think. I didn't get any colds or sickness. I think it worsened by arthiritis. I didn't get any sickness, think it was because I was off processed food. Well, now I am a carnivore and having high energy (obviously if I drink milk etc in the morning I will get sleepy) and no more arthiritis. Was vegetarian my whole life, I'm 17. With some rare meat eating. Once at a friends house chicken, at dominos pepporini twice, and Rarely mcdonalds chicken nuggets. I am doing well now and not getting any sicknesses like colds etc.
And I remember on rare occasions I would eat school beef. You get the point
I love the way Manjit explains his dairy farm. It sounds like what I always thought dairy farms were like. I'm a bit worried that this paints a far too positive image in many people's minds of how average industry-scale dairy farming works. Knowing that made me cut most dairy products from my diet. I have little issues with places like Cruze Farms as Manjit describes them, but the larger part of the dairy industry is appalling when it comes to living conditions of livestock.
On raw milk, I got pretty ill a few years ago after drinking raw milk contaminated with a nasty bacteria. But my wife (raised on a farm where she drank raw milk as a child) drank from the exact same bottle and was totally fine. Exposure makes a difference to whether or not you should drink it. I won't drink it again despite being the best milk I've ever had.
Aww mann. How can I adapt to raw milk?
@@Xelenteontae_I guess in theory you slowly introduce yourself to it and take the risk you may consume some nasty bacteria, but I wouldn't recommend it.
@@gutollewelyn7562Ohh ok man, 😢😢😢
Raw milk isn't worth the risk. I've tried raw milk and it doesn't taste any better. What does make a difference is the container and how the cow is raised. Milk in glass bottles from local cows is markedly better. It's also much much more expensive. Regular supermarket milk is $3 a gallon, local milk in glass bottles is $6 a half gallon plus a $3 deposit but I find it worth it. The expensive milk tastes noticeably richer even though I buy 2% in either case.
Adam's method of reminding himself to do an edit is clever. Surely he never forgets to do an edit due to how effective his clapping method is 😂
42:40 Love that Adam forgot to edit lol
There really was no need given the way this was shot, waaay more laid back and small errors/misreads like that are part of the process
My dude Manjit is very careful with his words and does not make generalizations. I can tell by that trait that he takes his trade very seriously.
This is easily one of my favorite podcast episodes yet! Fascinating. Manjit is the best. Please bring him back!
"Well, I guess there is some truth to the myth" and then goes on to explain how the myth is mostly true. Even if they used sexed semen and most of the calves aren't quickly killed, it doesn't really make the repeated pregnancy thing better.
Exactly😔
He was talking about the idea that the repeated pregnancies are harmful to the cows.
Specifically in this case he said the cows are breeding naturally. It isn't artificial and it's done when the cows decide they're ready. Which means the cow is prepared for that pregnancy.
So unless a cow would purposefully get pregnant when they don't want to doesn't make any sense.
He can't really speak for farms who do it artificially. In which case it's likely not when the cow is ready as that wouldn't be feasible for the farm.
That's the issue with modern society and humans in general. There is a way to have a dairy farm that takes into consideration the health and happiness of the cow while still obtaining milk from them. That can be a balanced system. The problem is that method isn't sustainable in scale. When you need/want more productivity you have to unbalance that system and sacrifice other factors such as the health happiness of the cow.
Like most things in life the bad part isn't that we do xyz, it's HOW we do xyz. Dairy/meat farming at face value isn't automatically bad. Factory dairy/meat farming as how we currently do it is.
@@zachrichardson5581Dairy farming *is* automatically bad. Wtf are you even on about?
@@Tomyb15 no it isn't. That's why there is a difference in how farms treat their animals.
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Hm. I'm not sure, if you have quite the right idea about how mating works for the most part with animals. The females get in heat (or whatever it is called with cows) and if there's an intact male present, mating will usually happen. If cows were in any way 'choosy' about their sex partners or apt to decline mating attempts...keeping them in a herd setting wouldn't make sense, because it would result in cows just taking up space and eating feed, without paying in milk and calves for their room and board. That wouldn't be economically feasible, so we can assume, almost every cow gets pregnant almost every year, which proves they're not actually choosing their mate or the time of the mating. They simply get extremely horny around ovulation and get jumped and that's that.
Which means (in my opinion) that there's nothing wrong with simply inseminating them instead. That also only can happen, when the cow ovulates (not at the farmers convenience) and ovulation by definition means, she's 'ready'. The cow doesn't decide, she wants this. It's simply hormones taking over and making her behave in a certain way.
In fact, since she does have so little choice in the matter...one might argue it's kinder to calmly and carefully impregnate her with a syringe, then subject her to the assault of a bull with a penis the size of your arm. I mean, we have no idea, if the sexual act is actually in any way pleasant for the cow, especially if she's a first timer. Because if it was... wouldn't they have sex just for fun, like humans do? But they don't. Female animals will usually only allow mating at the height of 'being in heat', when their hormones force this behavior on them. Never otherwise. That doesn't sound like they enjoy the act itself to me.
Loved the pitch in from mom in law.
May be put a question here and there to Colleen and the family in the buttermilk upcoming vid? Would love to hear their views too as much as Manjit is super easy to watch/listen.
Note: not intending to force a camera on them against their wishes and they can answer off camera if that suits them.
Thanks Adam.
This guy was awesome, super knowledgeable, open, honest and humble. And very well spoken in a direct and down to earth way.
Can I be honest... These podcasts are 100x better than the regular ones. I realize it's not realistic to have them all be interviews with industry people, but man, this one and the interview with the body builder are really fantastic to view.
I couldn't agree more!
I actually didn't care for this episode. He doesn't seem to actually know much about his own industry and he got a few things wrong and didn't know the answer to things that I knew the answer to despite not being in the dairy industry at all.
@@ZacharyBittner do you want to actually point out what he got wrong? or do you expect us to believe a random commenter over someone who lives in the dairy industry?
@@ZacharyBittner I mean with anyone who could be labeled a "technician" (rather than some researcher whose job is to have broad knowledge of the whole industry), their answers are from personal experience and knowledge of what works in what they do. I'm sure Adam Ragusea felt fine conducting and airing this interview because he's shared that exact sentiment multiple times on his channel.
@@ZacharyBittner My guy... If you're not even in the industry, have you ever considered you might be wrong, and not the other way around?
I found all of this quite illuminating. Understanding where our food comes from before it makes its way to the grocery store is super important. It’s also nice to see some of the older techniques still being used, quality over quantity.
So far as I understand, to make lactose-free milk, they add lactase (the enzyme that breaks down lactose into glucose) and mix it into the milk after pasteurization / UHT processing. This makes the milk a bit sweeter, so far as I understand (I drink lactose-free milk since I have increasingly lost lactose tolerance these past years, and I haven't really noticed any difference).
@adamragusea technically lactose is a disaccharide composed of glucose and galactose bonded together lactase enzyme splits that bond producing free glucose and galactose. This is the same process non lactose intolerant people do naturally in their gut🤓
@@scipio109 lactose tolerant*. Who are still a small minority of the world's population.
It’s because the sugars that make up lactose taste sweeter than lactose itself
oh, cool. i thought the enzyme turned lactose into lactic acid, which would make it a little sour.
@@clubsandwich559 different enzyme, people don't usually want sour milk or "buttermilk".
The entire front half of the podcast all struck me as an exercise in dairy apologetics. Manjit seems like a good dude and I'm sure his farm is more ethical than most, but this isn't representative of the industry at large. He even alludes to it on several occasions, e.g. the "confinement herds". Speaking of which, while climate control and beds are great, us humans like to come and go as we please. We know outside is good a lot of the time. We stretch our legs and get vitamin D out in the sun. Being necessarily kept inside all the time is called either jail or house arrest, which I imagine is the equivalent of cows kept in confinement at all times.
There's also the solutions posed regarding problems the industry it itself creates. There's no way every bull is sold at markets, there'd definitely be a surplus that's disposed of as necessary. There was also mention of calves being taken away from their mothers due to poor conditions (manure slurry?) in confinement. Again, a problem caused by high volume industrial production that is arguably already cruel necessitating further cruelty. EDIT: point here being is that fixing these problems doesn't offer some moral high ground if the industry is what's creating them in the first place (tbh I thought this whole paragraph was a touch sloppy).
Also, there's no debate on the environmental implications - we know the problem is massive amounts of methane production. There's no jury that's out on this argument and I'm not sure why that wasn't mentioned.
I could go on, but I think that's the jist. I don't think this paints a fair or ethical picture of the dairy industry at large. Most of the dairy bought by most people will be from farms where the animals are not kept well. All these excuses just sound like backpedaling on what we know is an industry rife with cruelty so that existing consumption habits can be somewhat justified
It's because it is plan dairy farming apologia. It's not the first time he has done that.
Dairy industry should be abolished. Animal farming abviously too.
@@Tomyb15 With you on that, friend. 🙏
I think he just wants to stay out of those debates. It’s very easy to come across as preachy and holier than thou when you are the model for a more ethical approach to your industry. I think he just doesn’t want to throw shade on people who operate differently than he does cause he doesn’t want to seem self-righteous.
I hope this sounds like its coming from a place of discussion.
"This is representative of the industry at large" - I feel like Manjit is quite quick to say that he is only talking from his own perspective in this podcast and he attempts to point out that he isn't giving his opinion on other methods, rather than saying other (worse) methods don't exist.
"Jail or house arrest" - I do not know enough, but yes, surely giving livestock the option of roaming when they chose to would be better than indoor confinement.
"Surplus that's disposed" - yeah would have been good to hear what happens in those scenarios
"Methane" - I thought to reduce greenhouse gases, you have to have more intensive farming practices, which may be less ethical.
@@imnotdead0987 Yeah definitely. I'm not a normal angry internet person. Totally up for reasoned debate ☺️
I agree that Manjit is speaking from his own experience. My concern is that with Adam's platform, this could easily be misconstrued as something that represents the dairy industry at large, especially given the name of the episode. I don't think Manjit is at fault here, but the discussion could paint an overly positive/ethical portrait of the entire industry.
When I say "disposed" re: bull calfs, my understanding is that they're often simply destroyed. It makes no economic sense to keep them so they're killed.
I suppose technically yes, more intense farming could help to reduce emissions but that would not come without its own problems. I know a lot of people hate hearing this or think it's a gross oversimplification, but the animal industries simply need to be phased out, at least at the current massive scale. The amount of animal product produced is so surplus to our needs; I would argue it's entirely surplus. We just don't need it - it's terrible for the planet and creates abject suffering for millions of animals.
Great idea this interview and answering listener/viewer questions. Sadly, he didn’t end up talking about the actual question of ‘how often a diary cow is impregnated’ as you two were too giggly about infertilisation (is that the word?). :)
Insemination is the word you're looking for. Fertilization is what happens if the sperm 'takes', when the spermatozoa penetrates the ova and forms an embryo.
@@deus_ex_machina_ Ah, yes, that’s the word. Thx!
He did answer it, their cows are impregnated by bulls (naturally) even though artificial insemination is common. So with the bulls you don't choose when but generally it happens when the cow is in heat
I kinda thought Manjit was being sarcastic when he said he likes talking about dairy farming when he's not farming, but he seemed genuinely excited to chat about this. I've learned so much about cows and dairy from this. I thought I'd only watch a few minutes of this and here I am 30 minutes in.
A cow's udder and teats do not freeze, even when it is minus 40 (it is the same temp in F and C). Calves still nurse no matter the temperature. However the best solution is to have your calves born in late Feb and March that way the calves will be mature enough to forage and eat some grass during the summer and fall then come winter old enough to forage in the snow and to eat baled hay. If they are born in Apr and on they will not be mature enough throughout the summer and fall to be prepared or strong enough to forage well enough and to eat baled hay.
this dude the best. crazy to see someone farming in a button collard shirt, realest farmer out there.
Western pearl snap shirts are collared so its not shocking
I've been talking about self-milkers that cows would enjoy every once in a while, mostly as a joke but still serious... LOVE to hear it exists!
That's generally what a lot of farms use. And they will line up to be milked. They even have sensors to "reject" the cow because they'll come up to be milked too often. Lol
Love this guy! Get him back on the show some time! I grew up with raw milk and I am lucky to still be able to drink as much of it as I can without any issues. Yay milk!
Thank you Adam for the wide-ranging content. Love this discussion! Love the rabbit hole show!
Manjit should start his own youtube channel, I would watch him raising those beautiful cows for hours unend.
Love Manjit. More Manjit, please.
My family had a jersey and she was the sweetest lady you’ve ever met
When they take the lactose "out" of milk, they put a bit of lactase enzyme into it and cleave the sugar molecule before the consumer has a chance to drink it. The "downside" is that the products glucose+galactose are sweeter than lactose (which is the disaccharide made up of glucose+galactose). Lactose-free sour cream is notably sweeter, which can be a problem in some dishes. Sweeter milk can be a bonus in other dishes though, like baking for example. The semi-sweet lactose-free milk is really good for cereal that could use the little sweetness bump that you get for "free" in the lactose-free milk.
A veterinarian point of view here ( I have been working on multiple dairy farms for a few years now)
1.To answer the first question; No the calf is not killed , why would they kill the calf?! They can sell it or raise it to become part of the herd
And it is partly true that cows need to be pregnant to "Start" producing milk But the most amount of milk produced is when she birth the calve around 2 months after calving( giving birth) and there this concept that is called Volunteer waiting period, VWP for short, the cow is rested some time at least 2 month and maybe even 4 month before they get pregnant again.
2. The calf being raised by its mother is not really a good idea. the calf mouth is dirty it can cause mastitis ( inflammation of mammary tissue) which can cause discomfort, and in some cases the whole teat falls off. The milk that cows produce is full of harmful bacteria. these bacteria are harmful to us and to calves that is why we pasteurize milk before consumption. In a dairy farm the milk is pasteurized before getting to the calves that way they wont get acute diarrhea which is the most dangerous sickness in the calves or Johne's disease
I found this really interesting people seem to believe that milking cows is inhumane and dairy farms are this evil place, but the fact is dairy farms are the most humane Industries and to be completely honest with you all thats has nothing to do with kindness of human heart or... no the only reason why dairy farms are humane is because other wise it would not profitable. An angry cow or an uncomfortable cow doesn't produce milk as much as a comfortable cow. That is why there are millions of dollars yearly being spent to research cow comfort. as a veterinarian who works on multiple dairy farms one of my main duties is to make sure cows are as comfortable as possible. Our professor used to say we need to build a 5 star hotel for cows. That's how comfortable they are. That is the reason i like working on a dairy farm it is so rewarding seeing that I'm working towards the happiness of these beautiful animals
Wouldn't the most comfortable thing for the cows be to not breed them to overproduce so much milk in the first place?
I think the only real, legitimate complaint about the industry is the environmental / climate change effects
We anthropomorphising the cows? Just watch calves being removed from their mothers. We dont have to ascribe emotions to the moms or the babies. They have their own.
A 25 minute beating around the fluffy bush explanation that yes, the myth is true.
It's true but not in the like cold hearted sense that I think most people would see it.
No, it isn’t. They don’t just kill the fetuses and repeatedly impregnate them to kill their babies.
They try to select for female calves, and almost every calf has a functional use like new stock, supplementing stock, being raised for feed, or mating. There is, of course, a ton of nuance around this topic.
The only true part is that a cow has to have a baby to produce milk, so they keep them pregnant regularly.
What myth are you referring to?
It's absolutely true in the cold hearted sense, in which way would it be a different truth? The calves get taken away shortly after birth and are being "processed" elsewhere. The mother is being held captive until she doesn't give enough milk and then gets killed too. how can you see it differently?
Where can I watch the regularly scheduled Manjit & Adam: Scientific Cowbaes?
I'm a bit disappointed in this pod cast honestly. I like eating meat, and do so quite often. However, I am cognizant of the emotional and environmental costs of the practice and would be strongly for progressive phasing out of the practice (p.s. I don't think that's realistically possible to convince everyone to do, until we have much better meat substitutes).
However, this pod cast came off as overly apologetic, and while I get Adam is trying to simply get A local dairy farmers opinion I really wish he would call him out and be more investigative about some of the things said. This guys farm is, supposedly, a reasonably good one but even he hints many times this isn't even close to standard practice. Many of the statements are kind of disgustingly conciliatory. "if your daughter was a dairy cow you would want her to go to Cruz farms". No...I wouldn't want them to be killed after they stop producing milk even if they live somewhat good lives until then. Also, comparing being locked up into a "climate controlled" confinement pen, with no freedom of movement, entertainment, and abject dirtiness to people preferring being inside air conditioned places...come on man, you are better than that. Even prison is better, probably even solitary confinement.
Please take this as constructive advices from a avid watcher. I do not expect you to take a anti-meat stance. I myself enjoy eating meat greatly, for now. I also don't expect you to be too rude to your guests on the show, which will only stop them from showing up. But I do hope you maintain some interview rigor and call people out/play devils advocaat appropriately when interviewing people in the future because that is the type of content that is actually enjoyable.
I enjoined this interview. I love the mix of solo shows, duo shows, and interviews.
i love this guy. great vibes cuz he's so chill he doesn't even think he's an expert despite all his knowledge!
Best damned Adam Ragusea pod I've heard yet--and that's saying a lot! Thanks to Adam and Manjit both! And to the cows!
Manjit has some awesome intel on the Bovine. Very, very interesting and informative guy.
Asking a dairy farmer anything on this topic won't get you unbiased answers lmao
Manjit's absolutely right about the dairy industry being artificially inflated by the US government since the 40's (also here in Canada).
There is also the growing trend towards vegan and plant-based foods. I think if dairy farms want to survive, they'll have to shift more towards quality instead of quantity; exactly like this farm has done. And hopefully that will be good for the farmers, the cows, and consumers.
Most experts estimate 68% of people are lactose intolerant, so if you are bothered by milk you ARE LIKELY lactose intolerant. In fact, in general, you are likely lactose intolerant.
What a great addition to information out there on the ethics of milk. Manjit is such a great speaker on the nuances of his trade. Thank you!
Here in Manitoba we make the most wonderful Port-du-Salut style cheese. And it ages perfectly in our dry climate. I think people are out off by the nasty attitude that the bureaucratic system discourages uses to drive folks off from the cheeses they would love to make!
This might be the best interview I have ever watched
Really? You enjoyed statements like "If your daughter was a cow you would want here on Cruz dairy farms" and comparing a confinement pen, where the cow cant move and lives in its own feces, to people liking to be in AC indoors? Must not watch many critical interviews.
I eat meat often, but this interview was overly apologetic to a very deeply flawed industry, gave no insight into what the majority of dairy farmers do, and never dug into tough questions or questioned the guests statements. It was a good hang out to chill with and hear Adam talk if you like his personality/charisma, but for sure wasn't a good interview (said as someone who watches all of Adams podcasts).
Both episodes with Manjit are awesome. Would love to see more episodes with actual farmers.
Manjit is such a great podcast guest! Fantastic episode.
48:22
This is such a great point, as a fellow Sikh living in Knoxville
While I have experienced more racism, it often comes from unfamiliarity
And anywhere that I've made myself familiar, I've broken through those perceptions in exactly this way
Simply sharing myself, the things I struggle with and the things I enjoy, to relate to them as a person
Cause as ridiculous as it may sound, people really just need a reminder that despite looking different, you're human too
In regards to 1x day milking I've heard of the following scenerio on small dairy farms or homesteads. The farmer leave the calves with the cows during the day, separate them at night to allow the milk build up then milk mid morning before putting the calves with the cows again. I think this is mostly of small raw milk farms or for personal use dairy.
Thank you, Adam, for this episode. I am really enjoying the podcast. I love it when you have guests over, and thanks to Manjit for giving us a lot of interesting information about his dairy operation and dairy farming in general.
Thank you Majit for being frank, I loved this discussion
In Spain, a very dry country, some of the best cheeses come out of Asturias, one of the most humid regions (and hence of the regions with best pasture for cows).
loved the details about cow servicing i just died
I find the first answer both hilarious and disturbing in some dark humour way; Basically someone asks about all these "myths" and then the dairy farmer causally explains indirectly that actually they're all true and are all objectively horrifying. Meanwhile, Adam is giggling like crazy.
- Cows are impregnated either using artificial insemination or by a bull. Basically rape or sexual abuse if we'd view it from a human context.
- Cows need to be pregnant for 9 months. Any mother knows how taxing it is. After the calf is born, they are taken away because _profit_.
- "Cows sometimes reject their calves, right?" Maybe that happens sometimes, but we're not even giving them the option to reject their calves in this case. And I doubt that's the default.
- They somehow managed to spin the story into that cows are happily coming to get themselves milked because otherwise they'd be in pain, all the while forgetting that we've bred them to be in pain and produce so much milk. It's like drugging a person and then saying that we're compassionate when we give them more drugs because they crave it.
- "A cow can only be milked if she's happy and not stressed". Right... I'm not sure I'd equate producing oxytocin to "being happy". As per the point above they will probably already produce that hormone just because it'll relieve them.
"If your daughter was a cow, and she had to go off and be milked somewhere, you would want to send her to Cruze Farm." The disconnect is strong here... We humans really have a knack for avoiding the obvious with all kinds of rationalizations.
I know right? Can't give up that sweet soft serve!
They even mention that dairy cows need to be milked because we bred them to, but this gets completely glossed over by a farmer who "doesn't want to anthropomorphize animals" and a journalist who is usually receptive to the plight of the unwilling.
Yep I'm unsubbing from him. I'm no preachy vegan - I subscribed knowing he sometimes discussed animal products and I just skipped those. But the lack of intellectual honesty here has really irked me.
Adam giggling like crazy 🤣🤣🤣 i was also puzzled by that 🤣
Awesome interview, I really like these style of podcasts from you Adam. Keep up the good work.
Brie and Camembert is great, in Australia we have it on a dip plate all the time
I feel like Adam was just trying to promote a local dairy farm here via the ama. The interview started with a loaded question that took 20mins to answer to avoid directly telling the listener that only mothers produce milk and the calf is almost always separated at birth to be slaughtered or sent to the feedlot. I do like the new podcast style though, especially the Gordon Ramsey episode!
They sell the calves that they can’t use. They answered the question, just took some time and you had to listen for it. No veal from their cows, just selling them. But it is possible from other farmers.
You're incorrect
He specifically said male calves are sold to other farmers so there is no input form then after that fact.
You're choosing to not hear that to keep the preconceived notion in your head of what you think happens.
This is a good example of how all dairy farms should be. You can get milk from cows while giving them a happy life. We would just have to accept a lower yield. Humans typically don't know how/don't like to do that.
The problem is greed. We're glutinous and selfish. There are too many people on this planet so unfortunately we decided to prioritize the production and sacrifice the happiness.
It is possible to do this type of shit the "right" way but we as a species largely don't do it like that.
@@zachrichardson5581so because they wipe their hand from the calf it dosent count if it's killed?
This is a very, very silly argument.
@@Sir.Craze- yes that's correct they wipe their hands.
If you sell something that other person/company is now responsible for whatever happens.
You can't extrapolate guilt out to everyone in the process because then you'd be a fucking hypocrite like every human would also be if we did that constantly.
Do you own a cellphone? Yea? OK great so you're aware and therefore supportive of child labor and the dangerous working conditions it takes to mine the raw metals needed for the battery in your phone.
My endorsement for this episode is that I've had a lifelong diagnosed milk allergy (swell up, hives) and I listened to this whole thing. It's just that interesting.
I liked that last question. I'm queer, trans, visibly gender nonconforming and I get a lot of questions since moving out to in the country that amount to "but aren't people terrible to you?" and the answer is that I've actually faced substantially lower violence and general bullshit out here than I did in the city. And it's for precisely the reason Manjit said - I'm relatable to folks. Yeah I "dress funny" and everyone on this street will probably pretend my partner is my "good friend" indefinitely but I have more warm and friendly interactions out here; about my garden, about the heat, about caring for my aging parents.
I think we don't talk enough about how stereotyping "places" as racist or homophobic or transphobic is just incorrect and doesn't reflect the full experience of a lot of the marginalized folks who live out here. Where I face most of my oppression from these days are from politicians - many of whom live in my state's cities. Locations aren't bigotted, people are.
So the short answer to the "Myth" question, is that it really isn't a myth?
Its that it depends on the farm, he said there was a truth to it regarding bigger industrial farms but not on ones like his own
@@theelectricant98 When it happens in 70, 80, 90, 95% of cases it's not a myth or "just depends" on the farm. Then it is true with some exceptions.
It's like saying "it's a myth that it's cold in winter" because on 10 days during a winter it might have warmer temperatures.
This video was so great to watch! Manjit is awesome to listen to and your conversation was really informative and exciting.
Thank you guys
Really awesome convo! Thanks for what you do Adam, we love hearing from all these interesting folks that we'd never see otherwise :)
As someone who comes from Saskatchewan and who has family who were Angus farmers I find this super interesting
That was very interesting and very honest! Thanks to you both!
I still don’t like the idea of cows milk remaining a staple food for households. We all know most breakfast cereals are sugar-ridden garbage and there are better sources of calcium in vegetables. I’ll be happier when factory farms are over and done with.
Agreed. Definitely not something that should be consumed every day but more like a treat a couple times a week.
Manjit seems very nice, I'm gonna visit Cruz Farms for me and my girlfriend's 3 three year anniversary.
I'd love a video (maybe a panel video?) on why young farmers chose farming and if they think they'll stick with it their whole lives.
I'm a young person (27) who enjoys gardening and wants to own enough land to have a small market-farm or homestead in my future. I work in a highrise in a large downtown area and live in the surrounding metropolitan area. I was in cub scouts as a kid and enjoyed camping and fishing. My motivation for wanting land to farm is escape from the fast-paced concrete jungle. I want to see and hear the wildlife, get in the dirt, have access to fresher food, be around nature, smell the good and bad smells of the plants and animals, and be outside. Commuting for an hour in the morning and evening, being away from my home and family all day, and being inside sitting at a desk so much arent the things that i looked forward to as a kid, nor are they the type of things i enjoyed! So I think it comes down to connecting with nature, and my inner child
@@johnpena8704 "Commuting an hour to work"
That sounds like the result of suburbia, which has encroached onto rural areas and gutted cities. If cities were designed properly, you could live near your work and get away to the country-side every weekend.
@@deus_ex_machina_ I see your point and agree. I'm in the DFW area though so having two large metropolitan areas so close has led to the entire area between being nothing but suburbs. If you go to the outskirts south of either major area, east of Dallas, or West of Fort Worth, it becomes rural quickly by Texas standards. Where I was living previously my commute was 30 minutes to the same office, I had a nature preserve and state park within 15 minutes of the house as well, which I took advantage of often
Just went to the farmers market in Asheville, NC last weekend and there were TONS of locally made cheeses. Alot of goat cheeses, I assume because goats are a lot more mountain adept than dairy cows. There is also alot of pimento cheese culture here in the south, but I'd say 90% of those start with a cheese that's made somewhere else. But, I really enjoyed all the cheese I tried there!
Lactation can be induced in humans without pregnancy or possibly even drugs, I hear.
I was going to mention but if cows are different or their nursing behaviors are tied to giving birth don't know. The drugs to help and possible herbs with milk produnction in humans I wonder if it would help in dairy cows as well
The hell? This „persistent myth” from the beginning is the fact, this is exactly how it works
He is worried about this being a long when, when we just watched a nearly 2 hour dive into Metallica. This had a lot of great information, and I loved the video!
Did Manjit ever give milk to a full grown cow? It is a special sight, our 12 l bucket was empty in seconds, they seem to adore milk.
My second cousins were dairy farmers in California some fifty years ago. It is interesting how dairy has changed, or not.
I feel like I ought to clarify my question a bit… due to some brevity, I think my inquiry came off a little, perhaps, judgmental?
Idk… I would say that living in OK, and being from the south, the absolute vast majority of people I meet are wonderful, caring, kind people. Also, I’m about as true blue American as they come! I love bourbon, football, steak, etc…
However, during my wedding (my brother was the officiant), my father-in-law told my wife that if my brother were to recite any prayer in Arabic (we aren’t even very religious) that he would get up and leave…
Additionally, he always has some weird fear/fever dream that my wife is going to show up in a burka one day, and become some devout member of the faith, even though, I myself, am not.
These are a couple examples, and like I said, they are few and far between, but it does make me very happy that Manjit was accepted into his wife’s family with open arms, and without concern! That’s exactly how marriages should be!
Manjit is a real cool dude, real down to earth.
Wow, I love the regular podcasts but this is somehow so much better!
This guy is amazing. Thanks for taking time to have him on, and I think you should have him back asap 🔥❤️
I used to work on the phones at Medicare B. I had a woman caller who would always say she was serviced by Dr. X. I got a kick out of that.
Great episode… great interview… and great guest!!! (Always great host !)
You have at least one member of Generation X watching your content. Dude, we can do a counter. Like this comment if you're a member of Generation X.
Represent!
Great guest! Will visit the ice cream store next time I am in Knoxville.
I’ve finally found your channel after losing is for years
I enjoyed this guy in the ice cream episode, and here I am enjoying him talking about bull semen. He's like an NPC with 18 charisma
45:00 "Speaking of Kefir, would you mind if we end on a personal question?" "Yeah" _proceeds to ask personal question anyway_
“Would you mind?” effectively just means “is it okay?”
I know it technically says the opposite, but that’s how it is used commonly.
@@krisherbst6162 I see how this can cause grave misunderstandings sending you to jail.
Most of the basics are close to correct. Lots of details are only approximate.
@11:00 The veal industry has declined greatly because demand declined greatly.
@23:20 Cows produce more than 8 gallons a day and calves drink 2 gallons a day
@27:00 Once a day milking does effect pounds of milk produced but that lessor amount of milk has a higher protein and butterfat content. Guess how the farmer sells milk.
"everybody's got 30 or 40 cows" whoa, I didn't think diary farming was done at this small of a level anymore.
Absolutely fascinating. Thank you both!
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I am absolutely living for Adams schoolboy grin while Manjit is telling him how to impregnate a cow
East Tennessean here… love Cruze farm products!!! Just one thing… can you please put lavender and honey ice cream on menu permanent. The one time I got to order it was devine and I always go hoping it’s available but it’s not😢😢 otherwise y’all keep on making great products.
Second this!
My number 1 reason for visiting Tennessee might be to try the Cruze Farm ice cream!
Veal was still common in the US in the 60s and 70s. It fell out of favor in the 80s.
Yay, another episode of the "let's cover for the dairy industry" podcast!
Adam is the last person to try and defend a questionable business. He will openly admit he uses stuff from companies that do bad things, but he doesnt defend those bad actions
@@aidanquiett668 I'm sure the fawning comments isn't an indication of this video being wonderful PR for the dairy industry. Manjit is such a cool, down to Earth dude after all.
@@IMatchoNation It being good PR doesnt make it wrong. Yeah, its good for PR, but its doing that by removing disinformation and explaining the reality behind the industry. Have you ever seen one of these videos from Adam or did you just see someone trying to properly explain an industry and felt you had to talk down to them for it?
@@IMatchoNationhe is doing great PR for his farm but not great PR for other Dairy businesses that don’t have his standards. I think we can make that distinction. This video just made me wanna get to know a dairy farmer
I mean it's all a "let's cover for the meat/dairy industry" if you don't show the reality which the animals have to suffer and instead air some PR Bullshit.
If the farmers would want the best for their animals, there wouldn't be a need for keeping them captive, artificially impregnating them and killing them when their body can't handle the abuse anymore...
But hey- let's ignore all that and cook some Steak which is ✨organic✨ so you can have the feeling that you are are an animal friend 💖💖💖
5:28 another problem that sometimes happens when cows are pastured in the prairies, I don’t know if this happens in other places too, but this particular instance happened on my dad’s family’s farm, the cows got into a patch of weeds that were poisonous and the whole herd died, my dad’s family’s farm was trying to get into breeding and growing black angus beef cattle after being mostly grain and other plants farming in the past, I don’t have the details because the story was second hand from my mom.
This was a very interesting podcast! I know 2 dairy farmers (2 cousins), but I'm up here in Canada, so different realities! (and different cows!) Same problem with cheese up here... but same solutions, too. Lots and lots of local dairies making their own delicious cheeses.
There's even one producer that decided to make all their production lactose-free. Cheese, yogurt, even tapped the vegan market before everyone else with plant-based yogurts. So now they distribute all over the province, and if you want lactose-free, just look for that brand :)
I want more of this not out of Adam out of life. Good information about things
Adam... How are you going to follow this up? FANTASTIC interview. Especially when Manjit went off on tangents... Man is a wealth of knowledge.
That first question was super weird. What was that about the myth and a real process? Pretty loaded question.
Back in the day, the worry about raw milk was TB.