In other domains (software engineering) I've found that AI can help bridge small gaps in knowledge, which helps you break out of your own cliché patterns and solve things in new ways. When AI acts on its own, it goes the other way: It always collapses back into the worst possible clichés. It's only when it acts like a gentle assistant that it helps to create something greater than the sum of the parts. So for music, I'm pretty excited about more variety in sound engineering -- and more genre-defying music, by inspiring musicians to try crazy new sounds.
@@gaborb6577 glad you said AI today. Consider this - in just 18 months it went from an infant to a moody teenager. In the next 5 years it will be fully grown - and all you say now about it being your "helper" will bite you back. You will see. The legislation is about 3 years behind it, nobody is actually controlling the evolution of the AI, and we gave it free access to internet... just mark my words - I am no doom prepper by all means, I am worried however that there is no consideration on human impact. People already loosing jobs in customer service, planning, retail and art sector too.
@@yeah-I-knowwell you sound like a doom prepper 🤔 Anyway, the reality is that it will probably be somewhere halfway between. It never turns out as people make it sound. And complaining about it wont change a thing. Its here to stay whether you like it or not so what use is it worrying?
@@Gino_567 sure sure... does your government have a plan what to do with hundreds of thousands of people that will loose their jobs and are in their 30-50s? Your answer clearly shows none of your friends or close family have been affected by it... yet
Somebody just sent me a set of vocals, main and harmonies and shit. Im telling you it sounds just like human, with compression, clean vocals, right amount of compression. I was so flabbergasted to not realized its human.
I wish a separate service could be created that is only Ai, and keep regular streaming services only human created songs. If you think about it, the Ai creation is so abundant that there could be something like “infinite radio” that never repeats the same song, and the listener is always hearing something brand new.
Nobody will listen to random pointless songs, it's the skilled persons that would do great things with AI tools and make music that people want to listen to.
I can't share the happy outlook many seem to want to hold onto. The human experience is about to be obliterated. But I guess we already have a generation of zombies running around.
Not sure if you've used Udio or Sonu , but they generate complete songs using just one prompt and the results are actually pretty compelling. My wife recently was listening to an AI made version of a new Persian song, sung by the AI version of a dead old great singer and she's completely obsessed by it. When I hear it, it's clear to me that's it's AI , I hear artefacts and weird pitch shifting ( perhaps mostly because most of the AI models aren't as good with Persian music , as they are with English music, due to lack of data model ). But the fact that she listens to it and loves it more than the original alive singer, is amazing to me. As a newly become "musician" myself, I'm in awe of AI while shitting in my pants because I thought I'll have a great journey creating music. Now I think it's all gone. And I watch RUclips videos of popular musicians saying oh this is like back in 80s or whatever when Amps were replaced by plugins , it's not a big deal etc. But in my opinion, things like Udio is not like replacing physical Amps with plugins, they're replacing everything. You don't need to have any musical knowledge whatsoever, not even a poem, to create music. Whereas with plugins replacing Amps, you still needed to be a musicians and have knowledge. I honestly don't know what to do and whether to progress with persuing my dream of making music, when I see how Apps like Udio just produce music better than me right now, let alone in 5-10 years where I was seeing myself becoming a great musician. I genuenly think "creativity" as far as Movies, Music and painting is completely taken over by AI. Just like how washing machines completely took over hand washing. I know I'm being pessimistic, but as an ex-programmer, I see the advancement of AI in the world of music is beyond comprehension.
Oh, by the way, if you're using a conversion for your voice, you can actually use a realistic sounding vocaloid (like Synthesizer V) to create a realistic but flawless performance, and then use a different AI service to just change the voice to whatever you want, including your own voice. That's a trip, hearing yourself sing well.
as someone who avoided presets and loops like the plauge because music will be generic as fuck (dddddd drop the bass, stutter buildups and emo rock music), this is the pinnacle of my aversion. somehow it is so tempting of stopping with music entirely, its getting out of hand inflationary
In ten years time each person will have a spotify of 1 million tracks all AI created specifically just for them. Soon after, people will lose all interest.
You’re not thinking far enough. In ten years most of the music will be generated in real-time based on how a user feels in the moment. The idea of having music files stored somewhere will seem pointless to most people. Storing and collecting music will be for us music nerds who actually like music and can appreciate “handmade” music.
6:08 I’ve found Logic Pro’s AI Drummer to be a great brainstorming tool. I usually write the “main”drums myself (kick, snare, hat) and then have the AI drummer generate ideas for the supporting rhythm elements (shakers, bongos, etc.)
what’s your favorite kit/drummer/patch? honestly I love the amount of customization available. if you’re skilled at mixing you can get some great sounds, even for #techhouse !!
It could be pretty demotivating knowing that 82% of all releases are less than 1000 streams, just like my own tracks. Combined with the thousands of tracks released daily. But if even one new person discovers my music, it's worth it.
That's a good mentality to have. What I meant by that being a "positive" thing is that you can control how hard you work and how much you improve. You can outwork and outlast other producers and make it into the category of the top 18% as long as you're persistent. Most people give up after having a few songs not get any traction. But in reality those people just need to keep going to push past it
It is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff with streaming, also, the economics of playing live as a Musician are diminishing, most Gigs are beer money and many Venues shutting down, streaming is fine for getting your music out there, but good luck making any money from it and it can be random getting people to listen, then there is the paid promotions by spotify etc, sucking people in. I have various projects, Jester's Heart for example, I simply use streaming as more of a showcase, rather than an endpoint, as its kind of random whether people will listen anyway.
Final AI mixed&mastered result is great, but don't forget how good is the input sounds: your drums pack, bass, piano, voice and the arrangement in common, that is 100% of your work. It's pretty easy to mix that input stuff.
I generally agree with you on the future of Ai. It seems it will really boost the elite in music, or the most knowledgeable in music production. (same in the visual Arts and writing) And those who don't have a full grasp of it yet, will probably not benefit a lot from Ai.. at least in being heard. And on that topic, this is where I diverge just a bit on the topic of Spotify. Seems logical that with all the uploads of new music increasing over time, the chance at even being heard, even though the track might be amazing is slim, if you don't already have somewhat of a following. Great vid!
As you said in the video - ai right now has great potential in helping you in some areas, for example: find the idea for the song or find the right tone, or maybe see another point of view. Human brain has ability to create certain habits. And most of the time it uses those patterns that were created during your lifetime. Different approach is very important thing not only in making music but in many other aspects of our life. There certainly is the best way to do stuff, but while you are looking for this way - you are spending time. Someone will find it faster, someone slower. And someone sadly will never find it. That’s why, as I said earlier, ai can come in handy. Maybe one day you find yourself stuck with a project and using ai tools can bring you that way of figuring out what must be done! A tiny point of view that you didn’t see or overlooked. Then boom! And you are on the right way! In my opinion ai tools will not replace artists entirely in the next 10 or 20 years. But who knows what future holds? Hope that we will live long enough to see. Thanks for the video!
You are spot on, ai is a tool, a co-pilot, not an auto pilot. So basicly what you are saying is right i feel, those who use ai properly will take the advantages of ai to bring them to the next level. Those who don’t will miss out on that, let’s see where this takes us, opportunities opportunities. Thanks Big Z, love your channel and vids bro. Keep it up
Relevant: Rolling Stone has played around with Udio, and writes here: “Though neither company will directly confirm or deny it, there is substantial reason to believe that both Udio and [rival platform] Suno were trained on copyrighted music, without permission.”
The key element missing with AI, is its lack of emotive input. We are not perfect like AI, which gives us the creative freedom to make happy mistakes. AI is good for inspiration though, its just another tool. A great one at that. 👍
I pretty much just use Suno at this point and crank out the songs that I like making. I've gotten a bit of hate (not much) on my channel for it. But I'm not releasing a massive amount of songs and the stuff I release takes me days because I only release the stuff that I feel says something or feels good to put out. I'm glad that people with specialized music knowledge are going to grab 99% of the Spotify customers. I'm not trying to crush any music makers. I'm just trying to put some stuff out and it's the lyrics that matter most to me.
I remember looksmart saying "our human curated search engine is superior to google" and getting buried.. I think the world is ready for a human curated music platform. Has to be a benchmark for a song to be allowed to be hosted.
already exists homie try Suno AI creating full songs from prompts only and they are sounding amazing! You should hear the "smooth classic hip hop song it wrote about my dog lol. It has 2 emcee's on it, creative mixing decisions, (drop outs on key vocal phrases etc) Caught the vibe of the 90's perfectly, drums sound great, vocals sound great, the writing and lyrics are polished and not cheesy at all, mix sounds great, all from a sentence I typed into it. I posted it to my FB and nobody can believe it it's like an impossible window into the past. It's already here brotha!
Sounded “amazing” is pushing it. I heard quite a few songs for that tool, yeah it was interesting but it still a ways away from sounding remotely professional. The level of detail a professional track has maybe impossible for Ai to create. Also, some the biggest songs especially in hip hop were the producers accidentally pushing the wrong button on sampler
@@ryanbent9368 in my opinion you are severely underestimating AI. Some of the songs I've heard from it are very close to professional and lots of people out there are saying the same, but even if they're not, This AI is currently on V3.. imagine when it's on V8.. or V100 even. What it's doing today is outrageous, give it 3 years and let's see!
AI can just do similar things that already have been there. For example 15 years ago, no freakin AI could have made Bangarang. In a world where everything sounds the same, innovation will stand out even more. It's the re-birth of innovation, where still at the same time, there will be A LOT of reproduction of what's currretly working. So it will feel like everything sounds the same - when all of a sudden great innovations will rule them all.
We live in such silly times. Music is a cultural experience and I don't get why we would want to automate and outsource this amazing aspect of our human race. Eventually 99% of all music will probably be created by AI and you will have some people who are lovers of human made music.
Labels, publishers, streaming services, splice, literally ALL content providers across the board in the music industry can make more money if more of their product is AI driven. Spotify doesn’t have to pay AI royalties. Publishers won’t have to split AI royalties. Labels won’t have to share splits with the artist. That’s the scary part. Owning AI will become more important/profitable than “owning” a talented artist’s music. If 2 in 5 people won’t listen to AI music as an example (which I don’t think will be the case, I doubt people will care), the labels, the spotifys, and the publishers of the world won’t care that they are losing users because they will more than make up for the lost listeners because for the Content that is consumed - they won’t have to pay anyone.
Suno AI brought me here. Hey big z you were always my go to for music creation tutorials and recently I stumbled onto Suno and am blown away by the creativity music/songwriting skill it produces. Granted the tracks are not mastered very good. But anyway I watched this video and that was still a lot of work 😅😅😅😅 your discussing idea and creative inspirations well isn’t that what suno is basically doing at the push of a button ??
I AM a Music Produce from Argentina I make a lot of songs with My collaborators ,My daughters, I am worried but after watching your video I feel much better...Thank You man for the light You shed over This matter!
The future is bright! I'm still enjoying hardware from the past so much, tape machines, dj machines, sythesisers, mixers, outboard gear. I would like AI inside a robot to be my assistant please.
I wonder if there is an AI composition tool where you can input a chord progression (either typed or recorded) and even the inversions then tell it to generate, for instance "a 6/8 time composition in Mixolydian mode, arranged for acoustic bass, piano, drums and sax, and aim for a Dave Brubeck feel."
The output coproducer thing is basically that they have all the samples man-made and reused from for example Arcade, but filtered and somehow matched through AI to your prompt.
What about things like Udio? It creates full songs for you. They’re insane as well! Honestly, I’m pretty worried about the future of Music production in terms of a career
Preach us Big Z haha you are one of a few youtubers that actually make helpful content and not just discussing and showing shit after the typical "how to get followers" scheme
Nice video. And yeah, great catch that Output is just searching their sample library😂. I tried to have it so Tame Impala and it gave me some icky funk guitar stuff. But don’t worry, what you are thinking (more sound and perf generated on the fly) will happen.
the amount of people that lack talent that are now convinced they have talent, because they learned basic writing skills in primary school is already overwhelming - in any kind of art, not only music. Now considering this is only the beginning watch how in 5-10 years we will not have any original music left. Everything already sounds the same - there are only so many chord progressions you can have, and the floodgates that AI opened are not closing now... goodbye originality, goodbye copyrights...
most music over the last 20 years has been terrible anyways. written by people like Max martin and song with Auto-tune. I rather listen to a real garage band live, than listen to music made on a computer by a "human".
@@martinpalm5 Well, we are talking about club music here - I presume. But even what you say - rock music, virtual drummers, neuralDSP guitar rigs - add AI sequencers and AI voice generators and it's the same problem. You will always find people flooding the market with garbage - and now with AI doing it for them it's just going to get worse.
The interesting thing though is that originality has never existed every piece of art has been a derivative of some art before it. Nothing is original yet everything is original. I read this from John Silva and it really resonated with me, “Nothing is original, all creative work builds on what came before. Every new idea is just a remix of two previous ideas.” It’s called the Originality Paradox. I don’t think originality is something to be worried about. I think there will just be a lot more mediocre music as a whole in the future so I see you point.
I’ve been a musician and songwriter for 40 years. At the end of the day if people find the melody, lyrics and groove of a song appealing, then that’s all that matters. Yours, or my sensibilities lamenting how it is created, or what we conceive as ‘art’ is irrelevant. We’ve been using digital enhancements for decades in one way or another in nearly all forms of art. Photography, music, film, etc. And it’s not all or nothing. We can use AI to assist in certain aspects. Nothing wrong with that. If original artists want to break through AI created content then that’s what we’ll have to do. No point whinging about it. Oh, and for the most part, fuck copyright. It was invented by greedy publishes and distributors. It was never to protect the artists.
You have a decent voice actually man. Thank you for all your content! I put my first solo-produced/mixed album out a few months ago and you've been my main YT source of mixing tutorials and general mixing philosophy the last couple years. I am probably going to be signing up for your mixing course soon to try and develop more serious production skills going into my releases/album plans this year. I played in rock bands for years typically renting studios/mixing engineers out for releases but have gotten into electronic production and a lot of house influences in my solo project and some side projects I'm working on as well. If you ever need a singer I'd love to collab.
So my thoughts on AI "replacing" humans are based around the expectations and conditioning of the listener. I have a diverse musical palette developed over several decades and many genres and am a musician myself. I can hear the technology in music that is primarily AI generated. So I don't particularly care for and definitely don't prefer AI generated music. But if AI generated music becomes commonplace (and it will to some yet undetermined degree), then people will grow accustomed to it and even expect it and prefer it. Especially people that are yet to be born. If, say 50% of music in games, TV, film, streaming, are mostly AI generated in the year 2030, will a 15 year old in the year 2045 think that's odd or a bad thing? probably not. Just like we don't think music created with software is a bad thing now.
Thank you for an interesting video! Lately I’ve been watching a lot of videos about AI music. Some claim that it can be used as a creative tool such as you talk about with the Taco-example and further on. So far what you do on your video is the closet I’ve seen to that. In other videos the examples had just been putting in some key words and wait for an output from the machine, which in some cases are surprisingly good. To just ask the machine to do something isn’t that creative. At least not in my opinion. I could sit all day and write the names of all the bands, artists and types of music I can recall. That might be a good warming up for a music quiz, but not that creative. And that leads to a question I got, and would be very grateful if you would take the time to answer. What if I actually had wrote a song in the honest old-fashioned way, is pretty satisfied with it, and thinking it would be great to hear my song played by a professional band, so I feed the machine with a sheet paper and a primitive demo, and tell it to arrange the song as if it was played by … (some favorite band of mine). Can the technology to that? If so - well, you could still ask a lot of ethical questions and be afraid it would put musicians out of work, but it would be a wonderful tool for songwriters without a band. And if it is possible to do that, it might also be possible to go a step further. Because I may not bee quite satisfied with the first suggestion from the machine, and so I would ask for some regulations of some kind. Just like I would say to a fellow musician: “Try to do it a bit more … (whatever I had in mind)“ And through a series of adjustments I might actually end up with something very close to what I had inside my head. But is that possible?
What would be really great would be if you took the same stems and showed how you would create a better mix/ master ie what is the human element (and will I ever have the expertise to do it ;-)
Everyone and cousins are making those mixing courses, which is fine. I think course about 15:10 (knowledge + creativity + ai) would make sales right now. Interest is peaking and no one is offering. Just saying 🙂
Getting creative energy out and into tracks fast is only a tiny portion of the actual goal (for me anyways). The main game (for me as a musician/creative) is the lived experience of having energy well up (within my actual physical & metaphysical experience) spill over and flow relentlessly towards an as yet unknown idea which in some undefinable moment spontaneously forms resulting in a massive YES THIS IS IT 'all aspects converging' fully resounding knowing! I'm not sure how helpful AI is in my creative process except perhaps handling the technical details and boring stuff. The last thing I actually need it to do is generate music, more of a technical assistant would be way better 🙏
Boii I reckon big z has the right approach to all of this - he’s not blinded by fear like a lot of other creatives but he’s also not an uninformed nihilist - I rate the nuance here (even if it is because his opinions make me feel better hahahah)
I really like the idea of the next versions of Logic Pro having ai in all the mix bus master bus tracks everything and can just press a button to analyze each track and bus etc then you can tweak from there especially for people not actually technical in mixing to fix any issues rather than creative choices
The same way that I'm sure that AI will surpass all human processing capabilities I'm sure we will have mind bogglingly stimulating and surprising music to listen to in the future, with and without human intervention. And ill be listening to it on a beach on mars.
The opposite approach would make sense: the AI listens to your own piece of music and generates alternative variants, additions or bridges. As alternative suggestions.
I agree with you. HUMAN + AI will always be better than AI if the person is a skilled professional in that domain then yeah even better I use AI tools for programming as it helps me a ton, but I’m not a programmer so I have to fine tune stuff constantly, my experience would be much better if I was a programmer to begin with So yeah I think for music it’s going to be the same A professional musician/producer will be able to take advantage of those AI tools with finesse Rather than “relying” on it like I do with programming
If it does not make the chords itself, it's not AI anyway, right? Artificial Intelligence is not a programmed algorithm of a company that just search for stuff in their intern lists.
The amount of streams you get can have next to no baring on the quality of a track, just like the amount followers you have isnt a reflection on how good of a DJ you are. I know bad DJ's that have made crap music and got literally millions of streams. I know music is subjective but "success" has many other factors than just how "good" a song is.
I COMPLETELY agree with you on that better music will get the most plays. Some might not "like" the product but at the end of the day they would be the minority and such product resonated with a lot of other people
The potential of AI in music is truly remarkable. With its ability to create music that surpasses human capabilities, we are witnessing a revolution in the music industry that has just begun to unfold. The future of music is bright and full of endless possibilities.
Totally agree with your conclusion! People are always going to want the real thing, and will pay top dollar for something hand made. It's like motel art vs art that people pay thousands of dollars for. Even if AI gets close to making something that a human can make, I think there's always going to be a market for the real human made track/song, and especially when it comes to seeing an artist live, fans will always want to see a real person! An AI singer or something will be more like a spectacle, whereas a human will be the artist.
I'm enthusiatic about using AI tools for both day job and hobbies, ultimately giving me less annoying things to do and being able to focus on the good stuff. I'm old enough to remember luddites having meltdowns about sampling and remixes, and bands proudly printing "no synthesizers used" on their album notes. Oh how times have changed! 😂
Current AI is only generative, not creative. Generative means, it can really only remix what it knows, and not be completely original. The creative aspect that humans have originates on a spiritual level (it's a divine quality), which AI certainly does not have yet and possibly never will, because humanity does not understand metaphysics yet and hence cannot reproduce it.
Spotify needs a AI generated filter NOW NOW NOW NOW and im a fan of AI music I simply want. to support my real artists too !!!! SERIously AI generated FILTER NOW AI vocal filter now go go go Spotify
I agree that better music should get more listens, but… 1. Using Z’s taco truck example, if you don’t know what street that truck is located on the day you want them, it doesn’t matter. You can’t buy what you can’t find. Same thing for music, if that better music is buried amongst the crap music how will you find it? An algorithm powered by…you guessed it - AI determines what you will be served so no guarantee it will ever be found. 2. “Better” is subjective. Using the taco truck example again, what makes a taco better to one person is irrelevant to the next. Also, I’m not sure the average listener can determine what better is. If they like it, they like it and that’s sort of where it ends. This is good video that covers AI as idea starters, but I do wonder about the quick advancements in ChatGPT style full song generators. If we think Spotify is flooded now, just watch what happens over the next 6 months. Interesting times.
Its growing now😬i think its gonna make a huge change and its already being done. Completely agree with you, specialised knowledge with human touch and ai is the demand and its going to be better😅
In other domains (software engineering) I've found that AI can help bridge small gaps in knowledge, which helps you break out of your own cliché patterns and solve things in new ways. When AI acts on its own, it goes the other way: It always collapses back into the worst possible clichés.
It's only when it acts like a gentle assistant that it helps to create something greater than the sum of the parts.
So for music, I'm pretty excited about more variety in sound engineering -- and more genre-defying music, by inspiring musicians to try crazy new sounds.
Exactly. Ai today is nothing but pressing the average solutions (even if can generate some variations). Therefore prompth engineering is so important.
@@gaborb6577 glad you said AI today. Consider this - in just 18 months it went from an infant to a moody teenager. In the next 5 years it will be fully grown - and all you say now about it being your "helper" will bite you back. You will see. The legislation is about 3 years behind it, nobody is actually controlling the evolution of the AI, and we gave it free access to internet... just mark my words - I am no doom prepper by all means, I am worried however that there is no consideration on human impact. People already loosing jobs in customer service, planning, retail and art sector too.
@@yeah-I-knowwell you sound like a doom prepper 🤔
Anyway, the reality is that it will probably be somewhere halfway between. It never turns out as people make it sound. And complaining about it wont change a thing. Its here to stay whether you like it or not so what use is it worrying?
@@Gino_567 sure sure... does your government have a plan what to do with hundreds of thousands of people that will loose their jobs and are in their 30-50s? Your answer clearly shows none of your friends or close family have been affected by it... yet
@@Gino_567this won’t age well
Whenever I feel demotivated that AI with replace humans making music... One of your videos come along and I feel a bit better....
Me too...Good one!!!!
Somebody just sent me a set of vocals, main and harmonies and shit. Im telling you it sounds just like human, with compression, clean vocals, right amount of compression. I was so flabbergasted to not realized its human.
I wish a separate service could be created that is only Ai, and keep regular streaming services only human created songs.
If you think about it, the Ai creation is so abundant that there could be something like “infinite radio” that never repeats the same song, and the listener is always hearing something brand new.
100% Spotify needs a AI filter ASAP
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Nobody will listen to random pointless songs, it's the skilled persons that would do great things with AI tools and make music that people want to listen to.
I can't share the happy outlook many seem to want to hold onto.
The human experience is about to be obliterated. But I guess we already have a generation of zombies running around.
Yeah it’s a wrap.
:( we’re going from creation to consumption
Not sure if you've used Udio or Sonu , but they generate complete songs using just one prompt and the results are actually pretty compelling.
My wife recently was listening to an AI made version of a new Persian song, sung by the AI version of a dead old great singer and she's completely obsessed by it. When I hear it, it's clear to me that's it's AI , I hear artefacts and weird pitch shifting ( perhaps mostly because most of the AI models aren't as good with Persian music , as they are with English music, due to lack of data model ). But the fact that she listens to it and loves it more than the original alive singer, is amazing to me. As a newly become "musician" myself, I'm in awe of AI while shitting in my pants because I thought I'll have a great journey creating music. Now I think it's all gone.
And I watch RUclips videos of popular musicians saying oh this is like back in 80s or whatever when Amps were replaced by plugins , it's not a big deal etc. But in my opinion, things like Udio is not like replacing physical Amps with plugins, they're replacing everything. You don't need to have any musical knowledge whatsoever, not even a poem, to create music. Whereas with plugins replacing Amps, you still needed to be a musicians and have knowledge. I honestly don't know what to do and whether to progress with persuing my dream of making music, when I see how Apps like Udio just produce music better than me right now, let alone in 5-10 years where I was seeing myself becoming a great musician.
I genuenly think "creativity" as far as Movies, Music and painting is completely taken over by AI. Just like how washing machines completely took over hand washing.
I know I'm being pessimistic, but as an ex-programmer, I see the advancement of AI in the world of music is beyond comprehension.
Agreed. 100%.
If it helps, I still wash up by hand lol
Oh, by the way, if you're using a conversion for your voice, you can actually use a realistic sounding vocaloid (like Synthesizer V) to create a realistic but flawless performance, and then use a different AI service to just change the voice to whatever you want, including your own voice. That's a trip, hearing yourself sing well.
Once they let you own your created AI. It's over. Then you could make whole albums. Milli Vanilli on steroids.
as someone who avoided presets and loops like the plauge because music will be generic as fuck (dddddd drop the bass, stutter buildups and emo rock music), this is the pinnacle of my aversion. somehow it is so tempting of stopping with music entirely, its getting out of hand inflationary
In ten years time each person will have a spotify of 1 million tracks all AI created specifically just for them. Soon after, people will lose all interest.
You’re not thinking far enough. In ten years most of the music will be generated in real-time based on how a user feels in the moment. The idea of having music files stored somewhere will seem pointless to most people. Storing and collecting music will be for us music nerds who actually like music and can appreciate “handmade” music.
thats the real problem i find with ai. it allows for an overabundance at a level we've never seen before.
@@object_Objectthere’s already an over abundance of mediocre music
People will never lose interest, there was always be interest in hearing or seeing things you’ve never thought of
In ten years from now, AI will create a soundtrack to your life in real time.
6:08 I’ve found Logic Pro’s AI Drummer to be a great brainstorming tool. I usually write the “main”drums myself (kick, snare, hat) and then have the AI drummer generate ideas for the supporting rhythm elements (shakers, bongos, etc.)
what’s your favorite kit/drummer/patch? honestly I love the amount of customization available. if you’re skilled at mixing you can get some great sounds, even for #techhouse !!
Hey man, i have been following you for years and by far, this is your best video! congratulations... eye opening.
Thanks man, appreciate it!
It could be pretty demotivating knowing that 82% of all releases are less than 1000 streams, just like my own tracks. Combined with the thousands of tracks released daily. But if even one new person discovers my music, it's worth it.
That's a good mentality to have. What I meant by that being a "positive" thing is that you can control how hard you work and how much you improve. You can outwork and outlast other producers and make it into the category of the top 18% as long as you're persistent. Most people give up after having a few songs not get any traction. But in reality those people just need to keep going to push past it
It is hard to separate the wheat from the chaff with streaming, also, the economics of playing live as a Musician are diminishing, most Gigs are beer money and many Venues shutting down, streaming is fine for getting your music out there, but good luck making any money from it and it can be random getting people to listen, then there is the paid promotions by spotify etc, sucking people in. I have various projects, Jester's Heart for example, I simply use streaming as more of a showcase, rather than an endpoint, as its kind of random whether people will listen anyway.
appreciate you sharing all your findings in this video! btw your voice sounds great as is
Final AI mixed&mastered result is great, but don't forget how good is the input sounds: your drums pack, bass, piano, voice and the arrangement in common, that is 100% of your work. It's pretty easy to mix that input stuff.
I generally agree with you on the future of Ai. It seems it will really boost the elite in music, or the most knowledgeable in music production. (same in the visual Arts and writing) And those who don't have a full grasp of it yet, will probably not benefit a lot from Ai.. at least in being heard. And on that topic, this is where I diverge just a bit on the topic of Spotify. Seems logical that with all the uploads of new music increasing over time, the chance at even being heard, even though the track might be amazing is slim, if you don't already have somewhat of a following. Great vid!
i agree, i uploaded a few very nice ai tracks, but ive given up on becoming famous or rich, i just do it for fun
Incredible video Big Z! been following you for years and this is something else
Such an authentic and knowledgeable person. Thanks for sharing your adventures and work!
As you said in the video - ai right now has great potential in helping you in some areas, for example: find the idea for the song or find the right tone, or maybe see another point of view. Human brain has ability to create certain habits. And most of the time it uses those patterns that were created during your lifetime. Different approach is very important thing not only in making music but in many other aspects of our life. There certainly is the best way to do stuff, but while you are looking for this way - you are spending time. Someone will find it faster, someone slower. And someone sadly will never find it.
That’s why, as I said earlier, ai can come in handy. Maybe one day you find yourself stuck with a project and using ai tools can bring you that way of figuring out what must be done! A tiny point of view that you didn’t see or overlooked. Then boom! And you are on the right way!
In my opinion ai tools will not replace artists entirely in the next 10 or 20 years. But who knows what future holds? Hope that we will live long enough to see.
Thanks for the video!
You are spot on, ai is a tool, a co-pilot, not an auto pilot. So basicly what you are saying is right i feel, those who use ai properly will take the advantages of ai to bring them to the next level. Those who don’t will miss out on that, let’s see where this takes us, opportunities opportunities. Thanks Big Z, love your channel and vids bro. Keep it up
First radio play of a Udio AI song was last night on Oystermouth Radio at just after 9:15pm. The show should be repeated tonight at the same time.
Relevant: Rolling Stone has played around with Udio, and writes here: “Though neither company will directly confirm or deny it, there is substantial reason to believe that both Udio and [rival platform] Suno were trained on copyrighted music, without permission.”
The key element missing with AI, is its lack of emotive input.
We are not perfect like AI, which gives us the creative freedom to make happy mistakes. AI is good for inspiration though, its just another tool. A great one at that. 👍
I pretty much just use Suno at this point and crank out the songs that I like making. I've gotten a bit of hate (not much) on my channel for it. But I'm not releasing a massive amount of songs and the stuff I release takes me days because I only release the stuff that I feel says something or feels good to put out.
I'm glad that people with specialized music knowledge are going to grab 99% of the Spotify customers. I'm not trying to crush any music makers. I'm just trying to put some stuff out and it's the lyrics that matter most to me.
I remember looksmart saying "our human curated search engine is superior to google" and getting buried.. I think the world is ready for a human curated music platform. Has to be a benchmark for a song to be allowed to be hosted.
already exists homie try Suno AI creating full songs from prompts only and they are sounding amazing! You should hear the "smooth classic hip hop song it wrote about my dog lol. It has 2 emcee's on it, creative mixing decisions, (drop outs on key vocal phrases etc) Caught the vibe of the 90's perfectly, drums sound great, vocals sound great, the writing and lyrics are polished and not cheesy at all, mix sounds great, all from a sentence I typed into it. I posted it to my FB and nobody can believe it it's like an impossible window into the past. It's already here brotha!
Sounded “amazing” is pushing it. I heard quite a few songs for that tool, yeah it was interesting but it still a ways away from sounding remotely professional. The level of detail a professional track has maybe impossible for Ai to create. Also, some the biggest songs especially in hip hop were the producers accidentally pushing the wrong button on sampler
@@ryanbent9368a ways away is about a year
shhhh, don't spread the news
@@ryanbent9368 in my opinion you are severely underestimating AI. Some of the songs I've heard from it are very close to professional and lots of people out there are saying the same, but even if they're not, This AI is currently on V3.. imagine when it's on V8.. or V100 even. What it's doing today is outrageous, give it 3 years and let's see!
You have bad taste and low standards most likely.
AI can just do similar things that already have been there.
For example 15 years ago, no freakin AI could have made Bangarang. In a world where everything sounds the same, innovation will stand out even more. It's the re-birth of innovation, where still at the same time, there will be A LOT of reproduction of what's currretly working. So it will feel like everything sounds the same - when all of a sudden great innovations will rule them all.
We live in such silly times. Music is a cultural experience and I don't get why we would want to automate and outsource this amazing aspect of our human race. Eventually 99% of all music will probably be created by AI and you will have some people who are lovers of human made music.
Labels, publishers, streaming services, splice, literally ALL content providers across the board in the music industry can make more money if more of their product is AI driven.
Spotify doesn’t have to pay AI royalties.
Publishers won’t have to split AI royalties.
Labels won’t have to share splits with the artist.
That’s the scary part. Owning AI will become more important/profitable than “owning” a talented artist’s music.
If 2 in 5 people won’t listen to AI music as an example (which I don’t think will be the case, I doubt people will care), the labels, the spotifys, and the publishers of the world won’t care that they are losing users because they will more than make up for the lost listeners because for the Content that is consumed - they won’t have to pay anyone.
Didn't sound too bad on my TV speakers, a lot better than my mixes anyways!!!!
To me, it's AI songs+MARKETING+creativity that will make a difference...
we still accept computer to make all ready 4 us
Suno is a one click song generator, it’s impressive. Still nothing to be worried about, but I’m very curious how good it will be in a year or so.
Yeah Suno v3 is a massive improvement from v2. I'll definitely make a video about it soon
Suno AI brought me here. Hey big z you were always my go to for music creation tutorials and recently I stumbled onto Suno and am blown away by the creativity music/songwriting skill it produces. Granted the tracks are not mastered very good. But anyway I watched this video and that was still a lot of work 😅😅😅😅 your discussing idea and creative inspirations well isn’t that what suno is basically doing at the push of a button ??
I AM a Music Produce from Argentina I make a lot of songs with My collaborators ,My daughters, I am worried but after watching your video I feel much better...Thank You man for the light You shed over This matter!
best video i have seen on AI around music yet! Keep it up man, love your videos
Thanks Luke!
The future is bright! I'm still enjoying hardware from the past so much, tape machines, dj machines, sythesisers, mixers, outboard gear. I would like AI inside a robot to be my assistant please.
I wonder if there is an AI composition tool where you can input a chord progression (either typed or recorded) and even the inversions then tell it to generate, for instance "a 6/8 time composition in Mixolydian mode, arranged for acoustic bass, piano, drums and sax, and aim for a Dave Brubeck feel."
The output coproducer thing is basically that they have all the samples man-made and reused from for example Arcade, but filtered and somehow matched through AI to your prompt.
What about things like Udio? It creates full songs for you. They’re insane as well! Honestly, I’m pretty worried about the future of
Music production in terms of a career
Preach us Big Z haha you are one of a few youtubers that actually make helpful content and not just discussing and showing shit after the typical "how to get followers" scheme
Nice video. And yeah, great catch that Output is just searching their sample library😂. I tried to have it so Tame Impala and it gave me some icky funk guitar stuff. But don’t worry, what you are thinking (more sound and perf generated on the fly) will happen.
the amount of people that lack talent that are now convinced they have talent, because they learned basic writing skills in primary school is already overwhelming - in any kind of art, not only music. Now considering this is only the beginning watch how in 5-10 years we will not have any original music left. Everything already sounds the same - there are only so many chord progressions you can have, and the floodgates that AI opened are not closing now... goodbye originality, goodbye copyrights...
most music over the last 20 years has been terrible anyways. written by people like Max martin and song with Auto-tune. I rather listen to a real garage band live, than listen to music made on a computer by a "human".
@@martinpalm5 Well, we are talking about club music here - I presume. But even what you say - rock music, virtual drummers, neuralDSP guitar rigs - add AI sequencers and AI voice generators and it's the same problem. You will always find people flooding the market with garbage - and now with AI doing it for them it's just going to get worse.
The interesting thing though is that originality has never existed every piece of art has been a derivative of some art before it. Nothing is original yet everything is original. I read this from John Silva and it really resonated with me, “Nothing is original, all creative work builds on what came before. Every new idea is just a remix of two previous ideas.” It’s called the Originality Paradox. I don’t think originality is something to be worried about. I think there will just be a lot more mediocre music as a whole in the future so I see you point.
I’ve been a musician and songwriter for 40 years.
At the end of the day if people find the melody, lyrics and groove of a song appealing, then that’s all that matters. Yours, or my sensibilities lamenting how it is created, or what we conceive as ‘art’ is irrelevant.
We’ve been using digital enhancements for decades in one way or another in nearly all forms of art. Photography, music, film, etc.
And it’s not all or nothing. We can use AI to assist in certain aspects. Nothing wrong with that.
If original artists want to break through AI created content then that’s what we’ll have to do. No point whinging about it.
Oh, and for the most part, fuck copyright. It was invented by greedy publishes and distributors. It was never to protect the artists.
@@Bluemusic66 so well said
You have a decent voice actually man. Thank you for all your content! I put my first solo-produced/mixed album out a few months ago and you've been my main YT source of mixing tutorials and general mixing philosophy the last couple years. I am probably going to be signing up for your mixing course soon to try and develop more serious production skills going into my releases/album plans this year. I played in rock bands for years typically renting studios/mixing engineers out for releases but have gotten into electronic production and a lot of house influences in my solo project and some side projects I'm working on as well. If you ever need a singer I'd love to collab.
The big whirly sample chord progression is an ABBA song
"At the end of the day humans want human music" -Jack Straton
and this is why Ai will never truly take over
So my thoughts on AI "replacing" humans are based around the expectations and conditioning of the listener. I have a diverse musical palette developed over several decades and many genres and am a musician myself. I can hear the technology in music that is primarily AI generated. So I don't particularly care for and definitely don't prefer AI generated music. But if AI generated music becomes commonplace (and it will to some yet undetermined degree), then people will grow accustomed to it and even expect it and prefer it. Especially people that are yet to be born. If, say 50% of music in games, TV, film, streaming, are mostly AI generated in the year 2030, will a 15 year old in the year 2045 think that's odd or a bad thing? probably not. Just like we don't think music created with software is a bad thing now.
Those vocals at the end! hahahaha, you still got a career in music Big Z!
Long time follower… best video you ever made and there’s been some good ones! Great job, very insightful!
Thank you for an interesting video!
Lately I’ve been watching a lot of videos about AI music. Some claim that it can be used as a creative tool such as you talk about with the Taco-example and further on. So far what you do on your video is the closet I’ve seen to that. In other videos the examples had just been putting in some key words and wait for an output from the machine, which in some cases are surprisingly good.
To just ask the machine to do something isn’t that creative. At least not in my opinion. I could sit all day and write the names of all the bands, artists and types of music I can recall. That might be a good warming up for a music quiz, but not that creative.
And that leads to a question I got, and would be very grateful if you would take the time to answer.
What if I actually had wrote a song in the honest old-fashioned way, is pretty satisfied with it, and thinking it would be great to hear my song played by a professional band, so I feed the machine with a sheet paper and a primitive demo, and tell it to arrange the song as if it was played by … (some favorite band of mine).
Can the technology to that?
If so - well, you could still ask a lot of ethical questions and be afraid it would put musicians out of work, but it would be a wonderful tool for songwriters without a band.
And if it is possible to do that, it might also be possible to go a step further. Because I may not bee quite satisfied with the first suggestion from the machine, and so I would ask for some regulations of some kind. Just like I would say to a fellow musician: “Try to do it a bit more … (whatever I had in mind)“ And through a series of adjustments I might actually end up with something very close to what I had inside my head.
But is that possible?
What would be really great would be if you took the same stems and showed how you would create a better mix/ master ie what is the human element (and will I ever have the expertise to do it ;-)
Hey I'm back here to comment - HAVE YOU USED THE SUNO AI? It's dangerously good 😢
Really well put together Big Z! I haven't spent any time with AI but might give it a go when I'm stuck. Cheers
Everyone and cousins are making those mixing courses, which is fine. I think course about 15:10 (knowledge + creativity + ai) would make sales right now.
Interest is peaking and no one is offering. Just saying 🙂
Getting creative energy out and into tracks fast is only a tiny portion of the actual goal (for me anyways).
The main game (for me as a musician/creative) is the lived experience of having energy well up (within my actual physical & metaphysical experience) spill over and flow relentlessly towards an as yet unknown idea which in some undefinable moment spontaneously forms resulting in a massive YES THIS IS IT 'all aspects converging' fully resounding knowing!
I'm not sure how helpful AI is in my creative process except perhaps handling the technical details and boring stuff. The last thing I actually need it to do is generate music, more of a technical assistant would be way better 🙏
I was hoping to see you mix and master so we can hear a comparison.
Interesting. I've been building my guitar learning playlist on YT for 10 years now. Time to start building one around AI now ....
Excellent analysis of AI's future role in the music industry 👌 I think you're spot on with your take.
Bro I really want to see, you vs AI. Would be cool to see how you go against AI. You should make a follow up vid
Some will use the tech to make things easy and some will use it to push the limits of whats possible. Just like when DAW's and plugins came about.
Boii I reckon big z has the right approach to all of this - he’s not blinded by fear like a lot of other creatives but he’s also not an uninformed nihilist - I rate the nuance here (even if it is because his opinions make me feel better hahahah)
You did the AI dirty with your vocals 😂😂
Copilot is not AI at all. Its just a search and transpose engine. All these loops are from arcade.
Seems like a search engine more than anything tbh
I really like the idea of the next versions of Logic Pro having ai in all the mix bus master bus tracks everything and can just press a button to analyze each track and bus etc then you can tweak from there especially for people not actually technical in mixing to fix any issues rather than creative choices
So well put! Have been trying to get the ai vocals to sound good, can confidently say it takes a lot of trial error, lmao.
I think your equations are absolutely correct and your career is completely safe, for now!
thoughts now that Udio is out?
The same way that I'm sure that AI will surpass all human processing capabilities I'm sure we will have mind bogglingly stimulating and surprising music to listen to in the future, with and without human intervention. And ill be listening to it on a beach on mars.
Udio looks like a competitor to spotify to be honest.
The opposite approach would make sense: the AI listens to your own piece of music and generates alternative variants, additions or bridges. As alternative suggestions.
I agree with you. HUMAN + AI will always be better than AI if the person is a skilled professional in that domain then yeah even better
I use AI tools for programming as it helps me a ton, but I’m not a programmer so I have to fine tune stuff constantly, my experience would be much better if I was a programmer to begin with
So yeah I think for music it’s going to be the same
A professional musician/producer will be able to take advantage of those AI tools with finesse
Rather than “relying” on it like I do with programming
It would be really cool an AI that can make drums like BigZ 🤩. Amazing video
be sure it can
If it does not make the chords itself, it's not AI anyway, right? Artificial Intelligence is not a programmed algorithm of a company that just search for stuff in their intern lists.
The amount of streams you get can have next to no baring on the quality of a track, just like the amount followers you have isnt a reflection on how good of a DJ you are. I know bad DJ's that have made crap music and got literally millions of streams. I know music is subjective but "success" has many other factors than just how "good" a song is.
Yeah you're right, it's more about branding and the story you can tell around the music
Apollo_Wurli_Phrase_08 is Lay All Your Love On Me by ABBA!!
I COMPLETELY agree with you on that better music will get the most plays. Some might not "like" the product but at the end of the day they would be the minority and such product resonated with a lot of other people
..try Suno ai, you'll be blown away..!!! regards and thank you for your amazing videos!!
The potential of AI in music is truly remarkable. With its ability to create music that surpasses human capabilities, we are witnessing a revolution in the music industry that has just begun to unfold. The future of music is bright and full of endless possibilities.
Totally agree with your conclusion! People are always going to want the real thing, and will pay top dollar for something hand made. It's like motel art vs art that people pay thousands of dollars for. Even if AI gets close to making something that a human can make, I think there's always going to be a market for the real human made track/song, and especially when it comes to seeing an artist live, fans will always want to see a real person! An AI singer or something will be more like a spectacle, whereas a human will be the artist.
Totally true, AI will never replace human creativity. Good video btw.
Also tbh the instrumental didn’t sound bad at all. Just add some side chain and effects to polish things up. The vocals were bad though
I'm enthusiatic about using AI tools for both day job and hobbies, ultimately giving me less annoying things to do and being able to focus on the good stuff. I'm old enough to remember luddites having meltdowns about sampling and remixes, and bands proudly printing "no synthesizers used" on their album notes. Oh how times have changed! 😂
This stuff is in its infancy. It will get far better at generating songs. The end result will be that music as a commodity will be worthless.
Interesting all the AI voices got nosy. The problem is if I can sing that good for it to output a good result, then I'm going to sing my lines myself.
I'll go with your version Z, you're smart!!
Great Content as usual ........Greez Sandmohn....
Current AI is only generative, not creative. Generative means, it can really only remix what it knows, and not be completely original. The creative aspect that humans have originates on a spiritual level (it's a divine quality), which AI certainly does not have yet and possibly never will, because humanity does not understand metaphysics yet and hence cannot reproduce it.
I dont need AI music
Great vid man, enjoyed the last part
Spotify needs a AI generated filter NOW NOW NOW NOW and im a fan of AI music I simply want. to support my real artists too !!!! SERIously AI generated FILTER NOW AI vocal filter now go go go Spotify
Chock full of great tips thanks Big Z!
The tune that starts at 13:40 was one you started in the Shaperbox video.
Did you ever release it? I'm a big fan of what I've heard of it.
Big Z just missed Udio's Beta Release by like a day....
This is so 2023. We have suno and udio now
I agree. I listen to music from artists I connect with.
I agree that better music should get more listens, but…
1. Using Z’s taco truck example, if you don’t know what street that truck is located on the day you want them, it doesn’t matter. You can’t buy what you can’t find. Same thing for music, if that better music is buried amongst the crap music how will you find it? An algorithm powered by…you guessed it - AI determines what you will be served so no guarantee it will ever be found.
2. “Better” is subjective. Using the taco truck example again, what makes a taco better to one person is irrelevant to the next. Also, I’m not sure the average listener can determine what better is. If they like it, they like it and that’s sort of where it ends.
This is good video that covers AI as idea starters, but I do wonder about the quick advancements in ChatGPT style full song generators. If we think Spotify is flooded now, just watch what happens over the next 6 months. Interesting times.
This was one of the best videos I watched in a long ime.
Its growing now😬i think its gonna make a huge change and its already being done. Completely agree with you, specialised knowledge with human touch and ai is the demand and its going to be better😅
13:48 82% under a 1000 plays ‘per year’ correct?
@1:10 That's Lynx by Brooks right there lmao
Suno + Moises is all you need.
Sparks of senses, Z 🍀