Which version of the Death Star trench run was your favorite? N64 Rogue Squadron, GC Rogue Leader or Rebel Strike, Battlefront 1-2, let me know which one and why! I'll start, I grew up with the classic Rogue Squadron on the N64, so I gotta go with that one, for nostalgia's sake.
The arcade. I couldn't fn wait for my b'day, just to have a pizza party at the pizzeria that had this game. Along with others: dig dug, baby pac man, Journey etc
As you say at 1:18 - that trench was huge and housed various hangars etc. That was always clear to me based on the scenes with the Millennium Falcon being forcibly docked/escaping... ;-)
someone spotted that stupid ice cream maker a guy in Cloud City was carrying, Han's dice, and so many more obscure bits of the trilogy and we all missed this. I guess we were all having such a great time watching it it didn't matter. another nice one
The Death Star Haynes Manual (legends book now) says the trenches were used for shuttles to travel to different sectors as using the turbolifts was a bit slow.. faster to get outside and fly a shuttle lol! Guess it kinda explains why trenches were built-in to the design in first place.. as vital to success and weakness as the exhaust port, but we don't see a novel like Catalyst devoted to the design flaws under Galen Erso and Krennic!!
As a kid I never thought that was the trench since earlier in the movie I assumed the Millennium Falcon went in to the death star in that ring because of that outside shot, so I figured it was way too big, and that the trench from the battle was much smaller so I figured it was elsewhere, though I had no idea where.
Honestly, I believe there were ‘multiple’ trench runs: the equatorial to suppress TIE Fighter support, then a quick flight north to soften the defenses around one of six to eight exhaust ports, then the killing < BOOM! > . . . too late…
@@hyperspacedatabase, but honestly do believe they didn’t dive in just as _Wizard of Oz, The_ ‘s Tin Man did & hasn’t come up from the Marina Trench yet…
If the TIEs were doing a zone defense,the Death Star didn't have enough TIE Fighters. They couldn't cover every section. So they concentrated on the more important sections, the trench with an axillary exhaust wasn't considered important.
I knew that it wasn't the trench for a long time, but I don't remember where I got it from. I'm pretty sure I didn't figure it out myself, so I would have had to read it somewhere. (We're talking twenty or more years ago, before internet sources were very big, maybe the novelization?)
I've never thought it was the same trench. The trench along the "equator" of the Death Star is MUCH Much wider than the trench we see at the end of the film. It is also, cleaner, smoother more streamlined. Since the Death Star is about 100 miles in diameter, I'd say that "equatorial" trench is a little over a mile in diameter. So the final battle would look a lot different, as the perspective of the boundaries of the trench would reflect a much wider perspective. The trench we see of the final battle can't be more than maybe150-200 feet in diameter. Maybe. And it is not smooth or streamlined at all. It is full of much detailed machinery, a hodgepodge of pipes, tubes, modules, etc. P.S. I always believed it was just north or south of the equatorial trench, running parallelly, horizontally with it.
I always thought it was dumb how the equatorial trench was so much wider, and didn't have the obvious end that was by the exhaust port, but I always just assumed it was simply an inconsistency in the movie. An oversight like the position of the superlaser.
Tbh I have a similar question about where the officers' docking bay was on the Star Destroyer, ie like one Cap Needa launched from..? And near to that where the garbage chute was that the Falcon hides amongst!? They're neither on the blueprints in any books.. they only show the 2 main lower hangars!! There's confusion there..tho in one shot do see a lower bay under command tower where bridge is!? 🤔😊
@@DIEGhostfish u know, yr right my mistake!! But I defo remember what looked like a launch bay open and lit under command tower.. lol! 😊 I think can see it in TESB right after part with rebels saying need to evacuate..the first shot of the imperial fleet with imperial march going 😊
"It was the main assumption that that's where it was." Maybe only newbies and fools assumed it, lol. The Death Star being like 74.5 miles wide, that means that trench is far too wide compared to the one we see in the movie, which means that trench has to be somewhere else on the surface too small to notice compared to the whole Death Star. Edit: And plus that trench ends at the exhaust port, which the equator goes all the way around, there's no end to it.
Ive known this for years, it's in the Death Star Haynes Manual I think.. towards the north pole area.. the south pole area was for refueling.. plus it says the fighters are going to cut across the axis to draw the fire, which to me meant on angle away from vertical axis which is either above or below equator.. I saw A New Hope when I was a kid on cinema way back and never thought it was the equator area that was clearly for docking.. Plus it seemed to me that if the torpedoes hit then the shock travelled down which in my mind meant the target the port had to be higher ie north area.. I didnt think back then about downward just meaning into centre from any surface lol.. I'm not sure as I don't have it anymore but old annual after the 1977 film had comic of the movie and showed trench run why it didn't I think specify where it was defo not the equator, I think the comic made the equator just a series of flat rectangles tor docking, it was simplified/stylized so was no room for a trench run there.. the artwork from back then might be still in print in an omnibus or online somewhere... I remember it ended with a description of how bright the explosion of the death star was, it was the brightest point in this corner of the cosmos etc.. and as for the fate of our heroes it said only the spacewinds knew!! It was pretty poetic!!
I will tell you a weird story. I always thought it was in the upper part of death star. But then, for some reason, i changed my opinion to wrong one, believing its the equator entrance trench. Now im sure i was right. Probably the only time when i was right, but then i changed my opinion and became wrong.
I knew it wasn't in the middle, but i nebr really thought of it b4. U can tell as they fly down into the trench it's not in the middle . I just assumed it was near the top,.but not necessarily the center pole
It is one of those things that if you are paying attention, they are pretty clearly different sizes, but the actual location of the trenches is definitely often confused for sure.
It's obvious that the Equatorial trench was far too big to be the one that featured in the climax of the movie. The Death Star is supposed to be about 960 KM in diameter. That would make the trench many kilometres in width.
Honestly, I never thought too hard about it. I had always just assumed that the trench run had to be one of the smaller trenches running away from the equatorial one as that is clearly shown to be way too huge and had multiple hangers for ships leaving and entering the station.
Yep knew all along. Favorite Trench run is Star Wars Rogue Squardron for GameCube. I hate the battlefront 2 version. Its a combination of death star I & II. Whether the level designers decided to kill two birds with one stone and say hey lets give them both the Death Star I & II at the same time, or because of copyright claims or just pure laziness, we'll never know.
Lol, right!? The Star Wars wiki says that the trenches "acted as directional markers for Starfighter and shuttle pilots." Interesting design choice for sure.
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Which version of the Death Star trench run was your favorite? N64 Rogue Squadron, GC Rogue Leader or Rebel Strike, Battlefront 1-2, let me know which one and why!
I'll start, I grew up with the classic Rogue Squadron on the N64, so I gotta go with that one, for nostalgia's sake.
Rogue leader . My rebel strike discs had a two player verion of rogue one . Just get a quad with fpv now .
The arcade. I couldn't fn wait for my b'day, just to have a pizza party at the pizzeria that had this game. Along with others: dig dug, baby pac man, Journey etc
@Sammy_Boy_Smith Solid!
As you say at 1:18 - that trench was huge and housed various hangars etc. That was always clear to me based on the scenes with the Millennium Falcon being forcibly docked/escaping... ;-)
Nice! To be perfectly honest, I never really thought about it, so even I learned something new researching this!
someone spotted that stupid ice cream maker a guy in Cloud City was carrying, Han's dice, and so many more obscure bits of the trilogy and we all missed this. I guess we were all having such a great time watching it it didn't matter. another nice one
Lol, I love the ice cream maker guy! Yeah, there are soooo many silly little things in these movies and shows that are hilarious like that!
The Death Star Haynes Manual (legends book now) says the trenches were used for shuttles to travel to different sectors as using the turbolifts was a bit slow.. faster to get outside and fly a shuttle lol! Guess it kinda explains why trenches were built-in to the design in first place.. as vital to success and weakness as the exhaust port, but we don't see a novel like Catalyst devoted to the design flaws under Galen Erso and Krennic!!
As a kid I never thought that was the trench since earlier in the movie I assumed the Millennium Falcon went in to the death star in that ring because of that outside shot, so I figured it was way too big, and that the trench from the battle was much smaller so I figured it was elsewhere, though I had no idea where.
Honestly, I believe there were ‘multiple’ trench runs: the equatorial to suppress TIE Fighter support, then a quick flight north to soften the defenses around one of six to eight exhaust ports, then the killing < BOOM! > . . . too late…
Good point, that is quite possible. They DO cover a good portion of the surface criss-crossing before they dive into the trenches......
@@hyperspacedatabase, but honestly do believe they didn’t dive in just as _Wizard of Oz, The_ ‘s Tin Man did & hasn’t come up from the Marina Trench yet…
If the TIEs were doing a zone defense,the Death Star didn't have enough TIE Fighters. They couldn't cover every section. So they concentrated on the more important sections, the trench with an axillary exhaust wasn't considered important.
3:20 the Torpedoe Sphere weapon had the focus oval for firing within the equator too.. guess they wanted to recycle the idea!?
That is entirely possible!
It was probably early 90's when I figured it out. I think it was an old Star Wars technical journal that clued me in, if I remember correctly.
I saw it in one of the cross sections books after I saw a video about it!
I don’t think I ever thought the trench was that horizontal line. It looks to big to be that exact trench
Indeed it does!
I knew that it wasn't the trench for a long time, but I don't remember where I got it from. I'm pretty sure I didn't figure it out myself, so I would have had to read it somewhere. (We're talking twenty or more years ago, before internet sources were very big, maybe the novelization?)
I've never thought it was the same trench. The trench along the "equator" of the Death Star is MUCH Much wider than the trench we see at the end of the film. It is also, cleaner, smoother more streamlined. Since the Death Star is about 100 miles in diameter, I'd say that "equatorial" trench is a little over a mile in diameter. So the final battle would look a lot different, as the perspective of the boundaries of the trench would reflect a much wider perspective. The trench we see of the final battle can't be more than maybe150-200 feet in diameter. Maybe. And it is not smooth or streamlined at all. It is full of much detailed machinery, a hodgepodge of pipes, tubes, modules, etc.
P.S. I always believed it was just north or south of the equatorial trench, running parallelly, horizontally with it.
I always thought it was dumb how the equatorial trench was so much wider, and didn't have the obvious end that was by the exhaust port, but I always just assumed it was simply an inconsistency in the movie. An oversight like the position of the superlaser.
Tbh I have a similar question about where the officers' docking bay was on the Star Destroyer, ie like one Cap Needa launched from..? And near to that where the garbage chute was that the Falcon hides amongst!? They're neither on the blueprints in any books.. they only show the 2 main lower hangars!! There's confusion there..tho in one shot do see a lower bay under command tower where bridge is!? 🤔😊
I don't recall seeing Needa launch from anything near the tower.
@@DIEGhostfish u know, yr right my mistake!! But I defo remember what looked like a launch bay open and lit under command tower.. lol! 😊 I think can see it in TESB right after part with rebels saying need to evacuate..the first shot of the imperial fleet with imperial march going 😊
"It was the main assumption that that's where it was." Maybe only newbies and fools assumed it, lol. The Death Star being like 74.5 miles wide, that means that trench is far too wide compared to the one we see in the movie, which means that trench has to be somewhere else on the surface too small to notice compared to the whole Death Star.
Edit: And plus that trench ends at the exhaust port, which the equator goes all the way around, there's no end to it.
Ive known this for years, it's in the Death Star Haynes Manual I think.. towards the north pole area.. the south pole area was for refueling.. plus it says the fighters are going to cut across the axis to draw the fire, which to me meant on angle away from vertical axis which is either above or below equator.. I saw A New Hope when I was a kid on cinema way back and never thought it was the equator area that was clearly for docking..
Plus it seemed to me that if the torpedoes hit then the shock travelled down which in my mind meant the target the port had to be higher ie north area.. I didnt think back then about downward just meaning into centre from any surface lol..
I'm not sure as I don't have it anymore but old annual after the 1977 film had comic of the movie and showed trench run why it didn't I think specify where it was defo not the equator, I think the comic made the equator just a series of flat rectangles tor docking, it was simplified/stylized so was no room for a trench run there.. the artwork from back then might be still in print in an omnibus or online somewhere... I remember it ended with a description of how bright the explosion of the death star was, it was the brightest point in this corner of the cosmos etc.. and as for the fate of our heroes it said only the spacewinds knew!! It was pretty poetic!!
Very nice!
I will tell you a weird story. I always thought it was in the upper part of death star. But then, for some reason, i changed my opinion to wrong one, believing its the equator entrance trench. Now im sure i was right. Probably the only time when i was right, but then i changed my opinion and became wrong.
I tell ya, the way the film was shot could easily point people the wrong way!
I knew it wasn't in the middle, but i nebr really thought of it b4.
U can tell as they fly down into the trench it's not in the middle . I just assumed it was near the top,.but not necessarily the center pole
It is one of those things that if you are paying attention, they are pretty clearly different sizes, but the actual location of the trenches is definitely often confused for sure.
Good video 👍
It's obvious that the Equatorial trench was far too big to be the one that featured in the climax of the movie. The Death Star is supposed to be about 960 KM in diameter. That would make the trench many kilometres in width.
It definitely is quite a bit larger.
I think I knew that from the start Just from watching the trailer.
It seems pretty obvious when pointed out, for sure.
Honestly, I never thought too hard about it. I had always just assumed that the trench run had to be one of the smaller trenches running away from the equatorial one as that is clearly shown to be way too huge and had multiple hangers for ships leaving and entering the station.
Yep knew all along. Favorite Trench run is Star Wars Rogue Squardron for GameCube. I hate the battlefront 2 version. Its a combination of death star I & II. Whether the level designers decided to kill two birds with one stone and say hey lets give them both the Death Star I & II at the same time, or because of copyright claims or just pure laziness, we'll never know.
Oh yeah, what a combo!
Nope!! I always thought it was the middle!
What a crazy world we live in! Lol!
Always knew that.
AHHAAAAAAA. Very informative. =D
Why thank you! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one!
knew this since I wa 13
Why does it even have trenches?? seems a pointless complication.
Lol, right!? The Star Wars wiki says that the trenches "acted as directional markers for Starfighter and shuttle pilots." Interesting design choice for sure.
How about just accept that movie is imperfect and contains lots of errors and mistakes and we shouldn't make up another weird hypothesis?
This isn't a hypothesis, it came directly from ILM designers.
@@hyperspacedatabase yeah you're right.