I was one of those people who sees your videos who you mention that thinks, “this guy is talking nonsense.” But after months of working through doubt, frustration, and sticking with it and doing self inquiry something is definitely happening! Thanks for patiently pointing Angelo!
At age 10 I had a profound mystical experience while exploring alone around my summer camp on the first day. Bathed in divine light, I was thrown to the ground and crying tears of joy in an unimaginable bliss. A woman leaned over me smiling and told me I had received a gift. Three years ago at age 54 it happened again, only this time I was thrown to my feet and golden light was emanating from my body while every molecule in me was buzzing with an indescribable bliss. My awakenings have bookended a life experience thus far that has brought me full circle and into a permanent state of non-dual realization. Neither of the awakening experiences came with me being a seeker or even knowing what spirituality was, they hit out of the blue like lightning. Sudden, permanent awakenings very much exist.
Wow. Have you heard of Yolande Duran Serrano who had a sudden permanent cessation of all thoughts? She had no idea what it was, but gradually found out through Ramana
After experiencing a massive shift in identity on a self inquiry retreat I spoke to my teacher (Shinzen Young) and said: “it’s like I’ve been liberated from a prison I didn’t know I was in. I thought I was this guy called Jimmy doing spiritual practice to get out of prison, but I didn’t know that familiar sense of being this Jimmy-guy, with his history & story, was the prison. I had it all ass-backwards. The freedom that came was freedom from the sense of being a person trying to wake up.” Honestly, when that figure ground reversal came and my true nature revealed itself (to itself), I laughed so hard! Or something laughed, there was no sense of an “I” to be laughing, but laughing happened. There’s something so hilarious about the whole awakening project. Thanks again Angelo for another great video 👏
This was great to hear Angelo. The Bahiya story has been one of my favorite teaching stories for many years and as you point out is one among many. In the life story of the Buddha, after his initial 5 disciples gained stream entry and the Buddha told them to go forth etc he apparently encountered a party of around 50 party going young nobles who were seeking courtesans who had absconded with some of their jewels while the nobles were inebriated. When they encountered the Buddha and they told him what they were looking for, the Buddha said something along the lines of 'wouldn't you be better off looking for your true nature?' and all 50 of them attained stream entry on the spot! They were not Dharma practitioners but were 'ripe' for the breakthrough. So did they 'miss steps'? There seem to be periods in history where many are coming to fruition. Maybe we are in one of those times? There are certainly many examples of this in Tibetan Vajrayana, Cha'an in China and of course many examples from the Zen traditions. And then there is the whole thing of time. Sudden or gradual is still looking through the lens of time, which I believe to be somewhat different from the awakened perspective. I treasure your dialogues with us and consume them on a daily basis. I would dearly love to attend one of your retreats but distance and resources are an issue. One day perhaps... With much appreciation from New Zealand.
Hi, Angelo has an online retreat starting on the 15th January, so maybe the 14th in NZ, which you can join for only forty US dollars. There's adjusted schedules for Europe and Australia. I did it in July and just had to start one hour earlier than the European time, so 8am - 9pm I think. Would be the same for you following the Aussie schedule. It's a wonderful opportunity for those of us who can't attend the physical retreats, highly recommended 🙂 Arohanui from London 💜
This conversation is so, so helpful. Including the comment that inspired it. For whatever reason, I’ve been involved in offering guided meditations for decades. Post-blasting of self, but still experiencing selfing, and now actively involved with shadow work, I find my self the least qualified entity to offer any guidance whatsoever, including guiding meditations. (Your commenter mentioned neuroses run wild, which I hear as unrecognized/unresolved shadow. I’m so aware of the enormity of this now in my selfing. There is a thought that the best thing I might offer these groups is my absence! Bahahahahaha.) It leaves me in a place of profound not knowing and fuckedup-ness. So uncomfortable at times but also very open. Possibly a perfect place to be. Thank you so much for everything. This is heaven. ♥️
When it comes to all of these different definitions from different practices and traditions, I have so much trouble following along. I just don't have the background. Then again, I have trouble even coming up with what awakening is because no words come close to what I'm actually experiencing. All I know is it's definitely real and it doesn't need any explanation anyways. ❤😊🙏🏻
At a Vipassana retreat, I asked the leader what happens when all of the samskaras move through. He laughed and said, "You might find out in a thousand lifetimes." I honestly felt bad for him. I was in no way "qualified" to contradict a Vipassana leader, but he seemed to have no hope whatsoever for anything but sitting around for hours and years burning old karma. A lot of the other practitioners seemed to have no clear idea what the point was, either, other than engaging in extended meditation as an extreme sport. (The lectures were pretty good until Goenka started saying his was the only proper bridge to enlightenment. Big red flag for me.)
That's a heartbreaking thing to hear. I'm glad it did not defeat you. I sometimes wonder if one of the ways to see what Buddha was talking about was high level trolling. Rebirth was very popular, and so was rebirth extortion... Come to my temple and pray here, make a big donation and we will get you a better afterlife. So to bake into the teaching that this is all bullshit: the ultimate rebirth is to be gone forever... Then there's the matter of "thousands of lifetimes of meditation" it's simple. You have one life. This is it. Right here. Right now. You live, you are, you're born, you die. In every moment. And thus every frame of the movie is its own lifetime. Your past in memory is thousands of past lives. Very simple.
Great video. Everything addressed brilliantly. It’s so important not to get caught in any dogma or interpretation of “scriptures” though they can provide amazing pointers such as the one shared here. So easy to create an unnecessary stickiness here and obstruct yourself! Completely agree about awakening being required before the real shadow work can possibly begin. It really just can’t be the other way around as before awakening the space is too small and you’re trapped in an infinite feedback loop of the illusion of yourself. Wrapped it all up by saying let go and follow what resonates. Go to what’s being pointed to. The guru is within
Thank you for clarifying that deep shadow work is more accessible once awakened. I had this backward, too. It makes sense that mind-identification is obstructing the process.
For me when I came across nonduality I knew that it was right for me❤I didnt really "got it" but there was a good feeling so I continued and looking back now I had glimtses and in oktober last year during a meditation I had a selfrealisation and it was quite sudden and dramatic! I first just sat in chock and the a laughter and after maby 15 min a fear came and I snapped myself out of it❤also had a huge energyrelief and that was so good! Also this energyrealise conntinued 3-4 months after and now 16 months later it deepens every day❤thanks
I think what's going on here is that the Buddha's eightfold path is sort of a program designed for everyone. The eighth and last step of the path is "jhana" or meditation where your mind is in an unhindered, calm and alert state which sort of naturally leads into vipassana (seeing things as they are) and then awakening. But take the average Joe Schmo off the street that's worried about bills, relationships, work, the lie he told earlier, or his blood pressure and tell him to meditate, let alone try to get him to see that all of reality is one, and you're just going to get nowhere 99% of the time. That's where the first 7 steps of the path come in.
I felt decades of practice of buddha dharma has made it all easy, metta softens the shadow side, ritual does the magic, mindfulness is everything, ethics cleans up the shadow. Bliss purifies.
Thank you 🙏 again for another permission slip and it some how settled the “thoughts” behind the confusion. So, I just settle while listening to the mechanicism of it all. The actual sense of it, in the body, out the body, all over the place and no where at once…ha! Blessings to ya!
I do wonder if the teachings of compassion are just to stop violence escalating. Before awakening, I practised a lot of compassion to others. It did stop things escalating and it kept me safe and I’m happy to report that this seemed to break a lot of generational trauma. I’m now processing lots of repressed emotions. They have got permission to come out now, and it’s like they’ve all lined up ready to come out and are coming out thick and fast. I had the initial awakening very quickly after finding your channel, it was a case of right time, right pointing. I wasn’t looking for awakening, but I was wanting to do the work and so awakening opened that door for me.
Everything Angelo you say about first awakening and that then the deep shadow work can take place in fertile ground makes sense. It rings true to me and my experience. It would, though, be nice to hear you address another hidden or implicit part of the gentleman’s comment that seems significant. For some people that obtain a certain stage of realization, they then begin teaching or interacting with the world when there still are a lot of personality distortions that go unaddressed. And in these cases the “living” taking place around them in a group or with certain people can become toxic and harmful. An over the top example might be Osho, but there are certainly many more. It can be perplexing how this is possible and may be behind this gentleman’s thoughts on the need to do shadow work and hone the personality, heart and mind first. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on this should it interest you.
The suttas in the Pali Canon are great, but it does bear remembering that no one sat at the feet of the Buddha to take notes. The suttas were committed to memory by some who were present during the teachings, who then retold them to others (a process spanning many generations). These teachings were written down only several hundred years after the Buddha's death (and re-transcribed many times after that). And of course they weren't written down in, say, English--they are translated from Pali, a language that no longer exists and which has many difficult-to-translate words. So to view the Pali Canon as the sole authority about how to awaken (and what awakening is) entails a significant amount of risk, especially if one is practicing without a knowledgeable/reputable teacher or without reading more broadly (including different translations).
This is so clarifying, thank you. I was starting to get a bit confused, though you’ve usually been pretty clear that the big one is usually pretty instant, but then it unfolds into further refinement or something. But thank you for this one! 😊 🙏
You don't need to know anything about "awakening" for it to happen. There are so many things that can spontaneously open you up, like suffering, loss, immense beauty, and many others. What you do need is a mindset of questioning the ideas and beliefs that society and culture have instilled in you. If you're looking up to someone to "point" you in the right direction, but you haven't gone through the process of relentlessly, and often painfully, questioning things (out of sheer curiosity, and not because of hoping to get "awakened"), you're missing the point. All you're going to get is a new set of beliefs. The shadow thing is overrated, too. It's not like imagined improvement of some non-existent entity can get you anywhere. But yes, it can make you "a better person", if that's what you're after.
Angelo, do you still work with people one on one? After years and years of being at this I’m finally feeling things start to shift listening to your videos. I really want to work directly with a teacher. If you don’t is there someone you would recommend?
Have any of the spiritual teaches through the years written or suggested anything about how to explain death to a child? (6-7 yo) Maybe Rupert Spira? I know he had a poem for children about consciousness, but today I was presented with that issue and realized that we still have no idea how to properly convey the idea of death to children. Any ideas on how to go about it?
Hey Angelo! Unrelated to the above video, but I do have the following question: A couple of years ago, I had an awakening. But I feel I’m at a sticking point obstructing Anatta. If I look for a self, there’s nothing to be found. Not in the senses, not in thought. But it feels as though the moment I’m not looking (going offline so to speak) the habitual tendency of self reforms. To use an analogy, it feels like there’s a shadow in the periphery, but the moment I shine the light of awareness, there’s nothing to be found. How could I work through this? Much Love.
You can wake up to a dog barking , a leaf falling, someone laughing, a bird singing , wind blowing, apparently nothing or everything around , a Buddha teaching, Christ story of healing , all is awake and sleeping, inquiring/questioning our own beliefs can be so unbelievably powerful, I like when you point back to look back inward and I still scratching my head 😂
There is only this moment, nothing else. So you can only awaken in the moment. If you start thinking about doing something to awaken in the futue, then you have to go into the mind to think; about the future and awakening. When you do awaken you'll awken only in this moment. Be in the moment and don't think about time or future. @Angelo - I'm sub'd but will dip into your vids here and there but allot of them I try and some I don't get. I meditate and watch/read allot of old and living master video's like, Sri M, OSHO, YogaAnanda, Swami Rama etc. Anyways - Cheers!
Angelo, my guess (could be totally wrong) is that commenter was referring to Daniel Ingram, who proclaimed himself "arhat" a while back. I'm guessing you're at least vaguely familiar with him. I think his "boldness" in proclaiming that in addition to his book on Buddhism has triggered a lot of more traditional Buddhists and this has caused some of the resistance to people who are not going a more traditional path yet claiming "awakening," "enlightenment," etc. Again, I could be totally wrong about this.
@@VeritableVagabond could be, I know pretty little about Buddhist concepts, at least compared to a lot of people I meet in these circles. I had to look up those terms as the only one I was familiar with was samadhi, lol.
I've been feeling like I'm in some proximity to a shift (with regard to awakening). It's accompanied by an overwhelming feeling of sadness, fear and anxiety. These things seem to hold me back. I'm afraid of abandoning this one called David. I'm also deeply afraid of what is on the other side. It's accompanied by a feeling of nausea too. So there's also this physical sensation that perpetuates the aversion to change. I have this fear that I’ll leave my loved one’s behind in some way. Leave my friends. I can’t even sit because I’m afraid of what might come up. How does one get past this?
@@VeritableVagabond I kind of didn’t 😂 It was a gift, gratis ❤ I’ve been a lifelong seeker- christianity, wicca, vipassana, alchemy, tarot, qabalah…. western mystery tradition really. Had lots of experiences but had no idea that *THAT* could happen 😂
It started with a chocolate wrapper that said: “What if 98% of your thoughts don’t belong to you?” I’d been going through a dark night and read that and something clicked, because after years of studying, that was something I’d never considered- it was revolutionary… we do not have to believe our thoughts. I think it all happened in rather a jumbled order because I had already realised ‘non-doer-ship’, knew much of the ‘theory’ and my self was already slipping away etc. But yeah, ‘I’ truly didn’t achieve anything… I did nothing of myself, it was grace ❤
What confuses me is there is a huge resonance with this, (all of it)...without any meditation, a path etc. There were glimpses as a young child etc. however, feeling lost and confused a little. Radical, apparent ones like, Jim Newman, Tony Parsons etc kind of shoot down shadow, work all of it.Seems to be confusing? Jim even told a guy yesterday, in a zoom," who would transcend" he said, there is nothing or no one to transcend or do anything??? Can you elaborate, thanx Angelo
Before my regular morning and evening meditations, I have begun to do a detailed body scan noticing contraction and going deeply into it. Now without effort that has begun to happen all the time. I have also noticed that I have less desire to awaken and feel like that can happen as a result of this willingness to be with what’s arising. I am intellectually oriented and this practice is not. It feels like a way to allow emotions that I have avoided by trying to figure things out. And it feels like my heart is opening. See you at the online retreat and in May. No way I could afford it the in person but a friend hired me to cat sit and clean while he was in rehab. Funny how things work…
I find it interesting how different people are drawn to talk in different ways - I go to non duality meetings but the way they talk is very limited, which seems a bit off to me. I also have a mentor who comes from a hermetics tradition and when I speak with him there's clearly nothing that can be done about liberation but there's still plenty that can be done about unconscious material, physical healing, etc. Skillful methods I mean. I don't see the point in constantly saying there is nobody to do etc etc - you say that periodically but there's a lot more of a concentration on meeting people where they are at, which feels responsible and Skillful.
Welp, I am not trained in traditional Advaita Vedanta, nor do I speak in the Parsonian way (Neo-Advaita). The way I point is intuitive and variable but if it has a classification it is far more along the lines of Zen Buddhism than any other tradition/method.
@@yaroshenator it's a reference to Tony Parsons, who is from the "uncompromising" or "radical" camp of nonduality. Actually, since it's Parsons with an s at the end, wouldn't it be Parsonsian? lol
I find all teachers have different ways of pointing I’ve been on Three Rupert Spierer retreats, and the way he teaches is totally bizarre to me such a wonderful friendly man , there you’re not allowed to talk about awakening or that we want to move past what we think we are but I did as l had never met an awaken being, or discussed with a a seeker in person and found 75% of people I talked to thought once you had an awakening that was it no more to do finished and many more strange things .. well I believed them to be … nearly everybody was thrilled with the way things were going there so now I try not to worry about the pointings from a teacher, just that if the teacher fits and feels right that’s good and not be bothered about how they do it
All the different words used for what is essentially the same thing. All of the hundreds of words and terms used, both in English Language and Sanskrit, and Hindi and Hebrew etc. It is ALL about arriving at an understanding of WHO and WHAT you are. What is the SOURCE of "Consciousness", "Awareness" "Knowing" and "Understanding" and why does it appear to generate a sense of SELF??? And why does that sense of SELF appear to be WITHIN your own Biology??? In the Bible this concept is explained as mankind is "Made in the Image of God", and Jesus expressed this concept as "The Kingdom of God is WITHIN You". Which makes more sense if you define the word "God" as "Consciousness", "Awareness" "Knowing" and "Understanding" (That which is the SOURCE of "Knowing" and of Self Awareness) Or as God described Himself: "I AM, THAT I AM". There is also another sense of SELF, the Ego Sense of Self. This is the False Self or the family, societal, education, religion conditioned false belief Self, that conceals the REAL "Image of God" SELF. The FALSE EVER CHANGING SELF, and not the ETERNAL UNCHANGING ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL SELF. This whole "Enlightenment" , "Awakening", "Realization" is just the sorting of this out. What do you "contemplate" most about: which is the REAL SELF, all the Ego Conditioned garbage, or "The Image of God" REAL SELF, and all of the endless implications about what that means. The principle one being: "You Create Your Own Reality" that "Everything that You Experience" comes from WITHIN Your Own Self, and NOWHERE ELSE. It is not Happening to You, and You are not a Victim, You are making it ALL HAPPEN, whether "Consciously and intentionally" or "Unconsciously and Unintentionally", it does not matter which way, your "Image of God" still makes it happen. Awakening or whatever name you want to call it, is just the KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING and BELIEF about the above, and creating WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE "Consciously and intentionally".
I was one of those people who sees your videos who you mention that thinks, “this guy is talking nonsense.” But after months of working through doubt, frustration, and sticking with it and doing self inquiry something is definitely happening! Thanks for patiently pointing Angelo!
Awesome!!!
At age 10 I had a profound mystical experience while exploring alone around my summer camp on the first day. Bathed in divine light, I was thrown to the ground and crying tears of joy in an unimaginable bliss. A woman leaned over me smiling and told me I had received a gift.
Three years ago at age 54 it happened again, only this time I was thrown to my feet and golden light was emanating from my body while every molecule in me was buzzing with an indescribable bliss.
My awakenings have bookended a life experience thus far that has brought me full circle and into a permanent state of non-dual realization.
Neither of the awakening experiences came with me being a seeker or even knowing what spirituality was, they hit out of the blue like lightning.
Sudden, permanent awakenings very much exist.
Wow. Have you heard of Yolande Duran Serrano who had a sudden permanent cessation of all thoughts? She had no idea what it was, but gradually found out through Ramana
I had not heard of her, but I know it is possible. After the second awakening, I enter thoughtless awareness at will.
Beautiful
After experiencing a massive shift in identity on a self inquiry retreat I spoke to my teacher (Shinzen Young) and said: “it’s like I’ve been liberated from a prison I didn’t know I was in. I thought I was this guy called Jimmy doing spiritual practice to get out of prison, but I didn’t know that familiar sense of being this Jimmy-guy, with his history & story, was the prison. I had it all ass-backwards. The freedom that came was freedom from the sense of being a person trying to wake up.”
Honestly, when that figure ground reversal came and my true nature revealed itself (to itself), I laughed so hard! Or something laughed, there was no sense of an “I” to be laughing, but laughing happened. There’s something so hilarious about the whole awakening project.
Thanks again Angelo for another great video 👏
This was great to hear Angelo. The Bahiya story has been one of my favorite teaching stories for many years and as you point out is one among many. In the life story of the Buddha, after his initial 5 disciples gained stream entry and the Buddha told them to go forth etc he apparently encountered a party of around 50 party going young nobles who were seeking courtesans who had absconded with some of their jewels while the nobles were inebriated. When they encountered the Buddha and they told him what they were looking for, the Buddha said something along the lines of 'wouldn't you be better off looking for your true nature?' and all 50 of them attained stream entry on the spot! They were not Dharma practitioners but were 'ripe' for the breakthrough. So did they 'miss steps'? There seem to be periods in history where many are coming to fruition. Maybe we are in one of those times? There are certainly many examples of this in Tibetan Vajrayana, Cha'an in China and of course many examples from the Zen traditions. And then there is the whole thing of time. Sudden or gradual is still looking through the lens of time, which I believe to be somewhat different from the awakened perspective. I treasure your dialogues with us and consume them on a daily basis. I would dearly love to attend one of your retreats but distance and resources are an issue. One day perhaps... With much appreciation from New Zealand.
Hi, Angelo has an online retreat starting on the 15th January, so maybe the 14th in NZ, which you can join for only forty US dollars. There's adjusted schedules for Europe and Australia. I did it in July and just had to start one hour earlier than the European time, so 8am - 9pm I think. Would be the same for you following the Aussie schedule. It's a wonderful opportunity for those of us who can't attend the physical retreats, highly recommended 🙂
Arohanui from London 💜
This conversation is so, so helpful. Including the comment that inspired it.
For whatever reason, I’ve been involved in offering guided meditations for decades. Post-blasting of self, but still experiencing selfing, and now actively involved with shadow work, I find my self the least qualified entity to offer any guidance whatsoever, including guiding meditations. (Your commenter mentioned neuroses run wild, which I hear as unrecognized/unresolved shadow. I’m so aware of the enormity of this now in my selfing. There is a thought that the best thing I might offer these groups is my absence! Bahahahahaha.) It leaves me in a place of profound not knowing and fuckedup-ness. So uncomfortable at times but also very open. Possibly a perfect place to be.
Thank you so much for everything. This is heaven. ♥️
❤it’s a blessing to have your messages constantly ❤❤❤
When it comes to all of these different definitions from different practices and traditions, I have so much trouble following along. I just don't have the background. Then again, I have trouble even coming up with what awakening is because no words come close to what I'm actually experiencing. All I know is it's definitely real and it doesn't need any explanation anyways. ❤😊🙏🏻
At a Vipassana retreat, I asked the leader what happens when all of the samskaras move through. He laughed and said, "You might find out in a thousand lifetimes."
I honestly felt bad for him. I was in no way "qualified" to contradict a Vipassana leader, but he seemed to have no hope whatsoever for anything but sitting around for hours and years burning old karma. A lot of the other practitioners seemed to have no clear idea what the point was, either, other than engaging in extended meditation as an extreme sport.
(The lectures were pretty good until Goenka started saying his was the only proper bridge to enlightenment. Big red flag for me.)
That's a heartbreaking thing to hear. I'm glad it did not defeat you.
I sometimes wonder if one of the ways to see what Buddha was talking about was high level trolling. Rebirth was very popular, and so was rebirth extortion... Come to my temple and pray here, make a big donation and we will get you a better afterlife.
So to bake into the teaching that this is all bullshit: the ultimate rebirth is to be gone forever... Then there's the matter of "thousands of lifetimes of meditation" it's simple.
You have one life. This is it. Right here. Right now. You live, you are, you're born, you die. In every moment.
And thus every frame of the movie is its own lifetime. Your past in memory is thousands of past lives. Very simple.
I love your videos. I don´t understand most of what you´re saying but I def feel something happening within me. Much love
That's perfect
Attune to that feeling sense, it's a lot wiser than the rational mind. Over time you'll learn to discern which is which :)
After I had my spiritual awakening. I kept discussing how powerful it was and my teacher said “I sure hope that’s not your last one”.
Great video. Everything addressed brilliantly. It’s so important not to get caught in any dogma or interpretation of “scriptures” though they can provide amazing pointers such as the one shared here. So easy to create an unnecessary stickiness here and obstruct yourself!
Completely agree about awakening being required before the real shadow work can possibly begin. It really just can’t be the other way around as before awakening the space is too small and you’re trapped in an infinite feedback loop of the illusion of yourself. Wrapped it all up by saying let go and follow what resonates. Go to what’s being pointed to.
The guru is within
Thank you for clarifying that deep shadow work is more accessible once awakened. I had this backward, too. It makes sense that mind-identification is obstructing the process.
For me when I came across nonduality I knew that it was right for me❤I didnt really "got it" but there was a good feeling so I continued and looking back now I had glimtses and in oktober last year during a meditation I had a selfrealisation and it was quite sudden and dramatic! I first just sat in chock and the a laughter and after maby 15 min a fear came and I snapped myself out of it❤also had a huge energyrelief and that was so good! Also this energyrealise conntinued 3-4 months after and now 16 months later it deepens every day❤thanks
I think what's going on here is that the Buddha's eightfold path is sort of a program designed for everyone. The eighth and last step of the path is "jhana" or meditation where your mind is in an unhindered, calm and alert state which sort of naturally leads into vipassana (seeing things as they are) and then awakening.
But take the average Joe Schmo off the street that's worried about bills, relationships, work, the lie he told earlier, or his blood pressure and tell him to meditate, let alone try to get him to see that all of reality is one, and you're just going to get nowhere 99% of the time. That's where the first 7 steps of the path come in.
I felt decades of practice of buddha dharma has made it all easy, metta softens the shadow side, ritual does the magic, mindfulness is everything, ethics cleans up the shadow. Bliss purifies.
Really cherished the edit of text -- the effect of how it would come in and dissolve in thin air! Loved it
mind identification is such an exquisite, glorious, brilliant trick consciousness plays on itself.
Thank you 🙏 again for another permission slip and it some how settled the “thoughts” behind the confusion. So, I just settle while listening to the mechanicism of it all. The actual sense of it, in the body, out the body, all over the place and no where at once…ha! Blessings to ya!
I do wonder if the teachings of compassion are just to stop violence escalating. Before awakening, I practised a lot of compassion to others. It did stop things escalating and it kept me safe and I’m happy to report that this seemed to break a lot of generational trauma.
I’m now processing lots of repressed emotions.
They have got permission to come out now, and it’s like they’ve all lined up ready to come out and are coming out thick and fast.
I had the initial awakening very quickly after finding your channel, it was a case of right time, right pointing. I wasn’t looking for awakening, but I was wanting to do the work and so awakening opened that door for me.
Commenters: "Which one is it then, Angelo, is awakening sudden, or gradual?"
Angelo: "Yes."
Everything Angelo you say about first awakening and that then the deep shadow work can take place in fertile ground makes sense. It rings true to me and my experience. It would, though, be nice to hear you address another hidden or implicit part of the gentleman’s comment that seems significant. For some people that obtain a certain stage of realization, they then begin teaching or interacting with the world when there still are a lot of personality distortions that go unaddressed. And in these cases the “living” taking place around them in a group or with certain people can become toxic and harmful. An over the top example might be Osho, but there are certainly many more. It can be perplexing how this is possible and may be behind this gentleman’s thoughts on the need to do shadow work and hone the personality, heart and mind first. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on this should it interest you.
Bro awakening has end or not
Somebody says that spiritual journey has no end
Human can not know entire
Yes.! So well said. Thank you, Angelo!
A good tactic to get out of your own way is to ask "Why do I believe I'm not awake now?" instead of "Why am I not awake yet?"
oo that helped a lot thank you!
The suttas in the Pali Canon are great, but it does bear remembering that no one sat at the feet of the Buddha to take notes. The suttas were committed to memory by some who were present during the teachings, who then retold them to others (a process spanning many generations). These teachings were written down only several hundred years after the Buddha's death (and re-transcribed many times after that).
And of course they weren't written down in, say, English--they are translated from Pali, a language that no longer exists and which has many difficult-to-translate words. So to view the Pali Canon as the sole authority about how to awaken (and what awakening is) entails a significant amount of risk, especially if one is practicing without a knowledgeable/reputable teacher or without reading more broadly (including different translations).
This is so clarifying, thank you. I was starting to get a bit confused, though you’ve usually been pretty clear that the big one is usually pretty instant, but then it unfolds into further refinement or something. But thank you for this one! 😊 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
I think this was a perfect answer. I spent a decade or 2 lost in traditional dhamma.
Thank you for everything, Angelo.💙
That's a bloodey good question.
Edit: And a ruddy good answer.
You don't need to know anything about "awakening" for it to happen. There are so many things that can spontaneously open you up, like suffering, loss, immense beauty, and many others.
What you do need is a mindset of questioning the ideas and beliefs that society and culture have instilled in you. If you're looking up to someone to "point" you in the right direction, but you haven't gone through the process of relentlessly, and often painfully, questioning things (out of sheer curiosity, and not because of hoping to get "awakened"), you're missing the point. All you're going to get is a new set of beliefs.
The shadow thing is overrated, too. It's not like imagined improvement of some non-existent entity can get you anywhere. But yes, it can make you "a better person", if that's what you're after.
Awareness is only pretending to be people, pretending to have forgotten
Angelo, do you still work with people one on one? After years and years of being at this I’m finally feeling things start to shift listening to your videos. I really want to work directly with a teacher. If you don’t is there someone you would recommend?
Have any of the spiritual teaches through the years written or suggested anything about how to explain death to a child? (6-7 yo) Maybe Rupert Spira? I know he had a poem for children about consciousness, but today I was presented with that issue and realized that we still have no idea how to properly convey the idea of death to children. Any ideas on how to go about it?
Hey Angelo!
Unrelated to the above video, but I do have the following question:
A couple of years ago, I had an awakening. But I feel I’m at a sticking point obstructing Anatta.
If I look for a self, there’s nothing to be found. Not in the senses, not in thought. But it feels as though the moment I’m not looking (going offline so to speak) the habitual tendency of self reforms.
To use an analogy, it feels like there’s a shadow in the periphery, but the moment I shine the light of awareness, there’s nothing to be found.
How could I work through this?
Much Love.
Angelo 🙏thank you ❤️ Happy New Year 🎊🤗
You can wake up to a dog barking , a leaf falling, someone laughing, a bird singing , wind blowing, apparently nothing or everything around , a Buddha teaching, Christ story of healing , all is awake and sleeping, inquiring/questioning our own beliefs can be so unbelievably powerful, I like when you point back to look back inward and I still scratching my head 😂
It would be interesting to know what and how Buddha would teach in this day and age.
On the internet
There is only this moment, nothing else. So you can only awaken in the moment. If you start thinking about doing something to awaken in the futue, then you have to go into the mind to think; about the future and awakening. When you do awaken you'll awken only in this moment. Be in the moment and don't think about time or future.
@Angelo - I'm sub'd but will dip into your vids here and there but allot of them I try and some I don't get.
I meditate and watch/read allot of old and living master video's like, Sri M, OSHO, YogaAnanda, Swami Rama etc.
Anyways - Cheers!
When else could we be? 😊💕 This is it, perfection, pure in all the myriad of ways that it appears. Much love
Angelo, my guess (could be totally wrong) is that commenter was referring to Daniel Ingram, who proclaimed himself "arhat" a while back. I'm guessing you're at least vaguely familiar with him. I think his "boldness" in proclaiming that in addition to his book on Buddhism has triggered a lot of more traditional Buddhists and this has caused some of the resistance to people who are not going a more traditional path yet claiming "awakening," "enlightenment," etc. Again, I could be totally wrong about this.
It seems like Angelo teaches sila, samadhi, panna.
@@VeritableVagabond could be, I know pretty little about Buddhist concepts, at least compared to a lot of people I meet in these circles. I had to look up those terms as the only one I was familiar with was samadhi, lol.
@@dvdmon yeah it’s all pretty simple and straightforward; the Buddha never wanted a dogma
I've been feeling like I'm in some proximity to a shift (with regard to awakening). It's accompanied by an overwhelming feeling of sadness, fear and anxiety. These things seem to hold me back. I'm afraid of abandoning this one called David. I'm also deeply afraid of what is on the other side. It's accompanied by a feeling of nausea too. So there's also this physical sensation that perpetuates the aversion to change. I have this fear that I’ll leave my loved one’s behind in some way. Leave my friends. I can’t even sit because I’m afraid of what might come up. How does one get past this?
For me, waking up has massively improved my relationships. It’s not like leaving them behind, it’s been like seeing them with new eyes ❤
I wish I was at the point you speak of. Then all that would be left is to let go..
@@777Morgannawhat method did you apply to wake up?
@@VeritableVagabond
I kind of didn’t 😂 It was a gift, gratis ❤
I’ve been a lifelong seeker- christianity, wicca, vipassana, alchemy, tarot, qabalah…. western mystery tradition really. Had lots of experiences but had no idea that *THAT* could happen 😂
It started with a chocolate wrapper that said: “What if 98% of your thoughts don’t belong to you?” I’d been going through a dark night and read that and something clicked, because after years of studying, that was something I’d never considered- it was revolutionary… we do not have to believe our thoughts. I think it all happened in rather a jumbled order because I had already realised ‘non-doer-ship’, knew much of the ‘theory’ and my self was already slipping away etc. But yeah, ‘I’ truly didn’t achieve anything… I did nothing of myself, it was grace ❤
What confuses me is there is a huge resonance with this, (all of it)...without any meditation, a path etc. There were glimpses as a young child etc. however, feeling lost and confused a little. Radical, apparent ones like, Jim Newman, Tony Parsons etc kind of shoot down shadow, work all of it.Seems to be confusing? Jim even told a guy yesterday, in a zoom," who would transcend" he said, there is nothing or no one to transcend or do anything??? Can you elaborate, thanx Angelo
You sure youre an anesthesiologist and not a surgeon? Damn. 🔥
Where is the universe? Could this be a useful koan?
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What is Silence?
I was just on the live call. I entered a question several times but it wouldn’t submit. Do know why. I’ll ask it here
Before my regular morning and evening meditations, I have begun to do a detailed body scan noticing contraction and going deeply into it. Now without effort that has begun to happen all the time. I have also noticed that I have less desire to awaken and feel like that can happen as a result of this willingness to be with what’s arising. I am intellectually oriented and this practice is not. It feels like a way to allow emotions that I have avoided by trying to figure things out. And it feels like my heart is opening.
See you at the online retreat and in May. No way I could afford it the in person but a friend hired me to cat sit and clean while he was in rehab. Funny how things work…
Oh. So the question is how you see this as a practice. ❤
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I've always mistaken awakening for Anatta.
I can't figure out where interpretations end and "pure sensation" begins.
Interpretation usually means thoughts
@@prueevans8558Yeah I know but where or what is the distinction between subtle, nonverbal thoughts and direct experience?
I hope I turn into a car when I wake up.
Do you consider yourself to be in a zen Buddhist lineage/tradition?
@@Ryan-Dempsey hmm hard to answer. I did seasons, koans etc. but by that time the identity was dissolved so..
I find it interesting how different people are drawn to talk in different ways - I go to non duality meetings but the way they talk is very limited, which seems a bit off to me. I also have a mentor who comes from a hermetics tradition and when I speak with him there's clearly nothing that can be done about liberation but there's still plenty that can be done about unconscious material, physical healing, etc. Skillful methods I mean. I don't see the point in constantly saying there is nobody to do etc etc - you say that periodically but there's a lot more of a concentration on meeting people where they are at, which feels responsible and Skillful.
Bee kooooo!
Angelo, why do you say “I am not a modern non dual teacher, I’m not anything like that.”
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Welp, I am not trained in traditional Advaita Vedanta, nor do I speak in the Parsonian way (Neo-Advaita). The way I point is intuitive and variable but if it has a classification it is far more along the lines of Zen Buddhism than any other tradition/method.
@SimplyAlwaysAwake sorry, what is Parsonian way? (I tried to google but still not clear) anything to do with Tony Parsons?
@@yaroshenator it's a reference to Tony Parsons, who is from the "uncompromising" or "radical" camp of nonduality. Actually, since it's Parsons with an s at the end, wouldn't it be Parsonsian? lol
@dvdmon thanks for answering!
PS man, I'm so grateful that you replied to me, so many cool things in your playlists
@@yaroshenator Thanks! I
I find all teachers have different ways of pointing I’ve been on Three Rupert Spierer retreats, and the way he teaches is totally bizarre to me such a wonderful friendly man , there you’re not allowed to talk about awakening or that we want to move past what we think we are but I did as l had never met an awaken being, or discussed with a a seeker in person and found 75% of people I talked to thought once you had an awakening that was it no more to do finished and many more strange things .. well I believed them to be … nearly everybody was thrilled with the way things were going there so now I try not to worry about the pointings from a teacher, just that if the teacher fits and feels right that’s good and not be bothered about how they do it
All the different words used for what is essentially the same thing. All of the hundreds of words and terms used, both in English Language and Sanskrit, and Hindi and Hebrew etc. It is ALL about arriving at an understanding of WHO and WHAT you are.
What is the SOURCE of "Consciousness", "Awareness" "Knowing" and "Understanding" and why does it appear to generate a sense of SELF??? And why does that sense of SELF appear to be WITHIN your own Biology???
In the Bible this concept is explained as mankind is "Made in the Image of God", and Jesus expressed this concept as "The Kingdom of God is WITHIN You". Which makes more sense if you define the word "God" as "Consciousness", "Awareness" "Knowing" and "Understanding" (That which is the SOURCE of "Knowing" and of Self Awareness) Or as God described Himself: "I AM, THAT I AM".
There is also another sense of SELF, the Ego Sense of Self. This is the False Self or the family, societal, education, religion conditioned false belief Self, that conceals the REAL "Image of God" SELF. The FALSE EVER CHANGING SELF, and not the ETERNAL UNCHANGING ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL SELF.
This whole "Enlightenment" , "Awakening", "Realization" is just the sorting of this out. What do you "contemplate" most about: which is the REAL SELF, all the Ego Conditioned garbage, or "The Image of God" REAL SELF, and all of the endless implications about what that means. The principle one being: "You Create Your Own Reality" that "Everything that You Experience" comes from WITHIN Your Own Self, and NOWHERE ELSE. It is not Happening to You, and You are not a Victim, You are making it ALL HAPPEN, whether "Consciously and intentionally" or "Unconsciously and Unintentionally", it does not matter which way, your "Image of God" still makes it happen.
Awakening or whatever name you want to call it, is just the KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING and BELIEF about the above, and creating WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE "Consciously and intentionally".
Hi
We can know entire
Bcz of I listen spiritual journey has no end
For those struggling to awaken, try using an alarm clock ⏰
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