Using Hall Effect Magnetic Joystick To Fix Stick Drift Controller
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In this video we explore the Hall effect module joystick for the playstation 5 controller, but can also be used for XBOX and XBOX series S or X. These Hall effect joystick use magnets to register movement instead of wearing down the potentiometers with a carbon track and metal wipers, which use electricity to register position of the joystick. We have a stick drift on one of my controllers and I will change it with the module with a Hall effect to see if we can fix the stick drift and make the controller working properly again for a longer life-span
corporate greed makes me so mad, a $90 cad controllers joysticks are worse than one that came out decades ago, its ridiculous and its planned obsolescence at its finest, this problem should not exist.
fully agree. I bought the expensive dualsense edge with the benefit of replacing the sticks when stick drift occurs. Well… the stick modules are out of stock for months. Scammed
@@VoidBoompje god there's nothing that pisses me off more than the dualsense edge, sony is just creaming their pants solving a problem that shouldn't even exist, u get to pay $200 for a controller with a recurring $20 fee every time you inevitably get drift. They could just use hall effect sensors and be done with it, its so anti consumer fuck sony. the fact that sony controllers have used hall effect sensors and been straight up better in the past too, it literally makes my blood boil. Every product Sony makes is an overpriced polished turd
I super appreciate being shown the whole soldering/de-soldering process! Most videos just cut through it but it's very important and helpful for hobbyists!
Really informative video, super underrated man. Great work, subbed 👍🏼
Bro put the Hall effect on the left stick when there right sticks be getting stick drift HELLA FAST😂
hi man, have you tested circularity with hall effect joystick?
Yeah can u do this for us what is better for 0.00 in game deadzones so basically a no stick drift controller. Hall effect or the replacememt module soldering you showed us were the deadzone ended up zero on the red ps5 controller
makes me think this was done bydesign so we need to buy new controller every year , i still use my ps3 controller rom 2 decades ago
On PS4 or PS5? If you are using it on PS5 then you are missing out on some cool trigger effects.
@@stephensniffngl small price to pay if you want to save money
I replaced both of my OG PS5 controller sticks with the Hall Effect ones used on this video following this tutorial.
So far, I’m very happy with the results. They have more resistance than the OG ones and the click is a bit louder, but so far they work great.
Did you use a heat gun to remove the joysticks?
@@OKBUDDY21 Yes what he has done was overkill, if he use the solder pump in the first place he saved a lot of money and time , and the solder result doesn't look very good, you should have a shiny glossy finish after soldering, if it is flat you have to much temperature and you have burned the solder. Other that minor detail he has done great job
Excellent explaination. Underrated channel. You need more subs. I will recommend you to all my friends.
Much appreciated!
Yes but the cost of controller these days are insane they have no excuse not to use hall effect on controllers now
Do these work on BDM-010 BDM-020 and BDM-030 I heard these all took different potentiometer sticks since the voltages were slightly different.
Hi there! I was looking for the answer to that very same question. You ever got an answer?
Cost is higher but when you pay $70 a controller you would think they could at least use better parts… a ps5 or and controller uses the cheapest parts a joystick is like a $1 their circuit boards are cheap I would say for $10 they make a controller..
Great video, full of information
Never had stick drift in my ps2 or ps3 controllers they literally lasted me the lifetime of the consoles
Yeah trying to fix stick drift makes me yearn for the days when I could just clean something and it would work lol
Ps2 controllers had potentiometers but always checked the value of them when powered on as a baseline. Ps3 controllers and up have a in factory programed baseline that never changes. But I will also say ps3 pots were longer lasting than ps4 or ps5 controllera
Nicely done, concise, informative and useful
They wear even faster within 90 days for me barely used, I stopped buying until I find something that last longer.
How do you calibrate this thing?
How would you do this for XBoX controllers? There was no good gap for me to insert paper clip
can you just replace potentiometers with hall sensosrs only and leave joystick body intact?
hello, is it possible to permanently calibrate via PC or Xbox?
This is what Im looking for. Tired of replacing controllers.
If i put one on fake controllers will the deadzones improve?
So basically I’m fucked because I have no clue how to do any of this and I have to keep buying a new controller every month or two because of stick drift
Thanks Sony. Arseholes
Honestly its not hard to learn. I just did mine with little soldering experience. What I did when my original controller started drifting was buy one off of eBay (around $30) that already had stick drift to practice on.
Switched to Xbox controller ps messed
Have you changed the internal spring yet to change tension on the sticks? I’m always sending my Battle Beaver controllers back to them for drift every three or four months. If I could put these new sticks in there and also change the spring to get the tension I need it would be great.
thanks for the vid, my dualsense controllers does not have the drift issue, but they feel like... dusty, or if something don't let the stick move the ''right way'', hope you can give advice. thanks.
Bro jus rip the battery out lmao
nice mod, is there a way to mod the triggers and R1 L1?
ruclips.net/video/1HxO8elKMPE/видео.htmlsi=WjdbNoeHt2K2nWEK
They make controller more easily to get drift to get money
MORE BROKEN CONTROLLER = MORE CONTROLLER TO BUY = MORE MONEY
But in the end everyone gonna buy controller with Hall Effect one which is better if they smart enough
Sadly Hall effect sensors do not solve stick drift it solves potentiometer wear, still a good thing just doesn't solve drift for liner curve players.
Stick drift is mainly from a stick centring issue as sticks are centred by a spring pushing two plastic parts together and coil spring love to loose their spring tension over time... Don't believe me buy a hall effect controller go into the software and remove the DAEDZONE in the software. Gamersir Nexus for the G7 controller for example even has this as a warning in their software stating Lowering "initial value under 10% will make the stick very sensitive, which is prone to drifting, please use caution".
I own 6 controllers 4 with hall effect sensors and they all have drift out of the box after removing the deadzone also they seem to perform poorly in circularity test unless you have software to help fill in the gaps.
Sadly social media has hyped them up and put down potentiometer being the main issue defiantly can be if they are worn however you would see voltage drops where it makes less contact resulting in loss of movement like my old Xbox controller.
Saying that I really like the Gamesir G7 light weight, 1000hz, rear buttons and it has drift like every other controller.
I want to install these on my ps4 controllers
The issue isn't that potentiometers are trash and hall effect are all great and last forever. This is a myth and simply isn't the full truth to the matter!
There are of course good and crappy hall effect modules, just like there are crappy potentiometers and good potentiometers as well!
The analog sticks on my 8 year old Ps4 controller still work great. (The old battery inside not so much.)
The sticks on my brand new Dualsense PS5 controller though are already creating massive stick drift after just 35 days!
They both share the exact same technology, even made by the same manufacturer as the old PS4 controller, supposedly even upgraded to the V2 on the new Dualsense controller. Still one of the two is absolutely great, the other one is complete and utter crap!
The detailed technical reviews and thorough tests I have seen on Hall effect modules replacing potentiometers so far were all not exactly very promising at all!
There were issues with jitter with unacceptable and uneven dead zones.
Yes, the hall Effect modules usually do work, but they very often seem to perform rather crappy whenever compared to good quality potentiometer versions!
When using Hall effect sensors for example, you will normally want them to be accompanied with suitable electronics filtering and averaging the signals to eliminate jitter.
The claim that the Playstation or the PC itself will filter the jitter out is generally NOT true and the test used in the video shows you otherwise! It absolutely will affect some games more than others so it may not necessarily be a big issue for certain games, but the jittery input displayed in the text will be jittery input to the game and will NOT be filtered by the playstation! This jitter does typically NOT happen on potentiometers (unless they bare faulty) and that is exactly why the Playstation (and Windows) do NOT filter or compensate the input values to eliminate this type of jitter. This would need to be done INTERNALLY/ INSIDE the controller with suitable electronics which are obviously NOT part of the Hall effect module that was used here in this video!
What the test in the video does show you instead, is simply that the installed Hall effect sensor is absolutely NOT performing nearly as good as a original potentiometer one did when it was in good working order!
So if you need to replace a faulty potentiometer, then you may instead want to replace it with a GOOD high quality potentiometer, much rather than replacing it with the comparably poorly performing Hall effect sensor shown and installed here in this video! - Or wait/ look for a hall effect module to be sold on the market that performs considerably better than the poorly performing ones used here in this video!
Legend!
I appreciate the effort in this video.
But this comment just has absolutely the best of accurate info I was able to collect over about 3 months!
Hat's off. Great work, man!
Sometimes when I replace sticks the plastic melts to the board from removing the old sticks and sometimes it doesn't. Any idea why this is? It's usually flat enough I just leave it as sticks are slightly elevated installed. Thanks in advance.
Ничего не помогает! И менял пластины и перепаивал стикер, дрифт некуда не ушел! Видать Джой свое отработал...
Даже где то читал, что если активно играть, рано или поздно дрифт появится! Так что все эти манипуляции бесполезны!
Самое простое купить новый Джой.
amazing video, thanks for leaving the links, I'm new to soldering but I learned a lot
Are the Hall Effect potentiometers swappable with the carbon/wiper ones? Or do we have to swap the ENTIRE joy stick?
Excellent question! You just gave me idea for a new video :)) to be honest I don’t know. But I will experiment and let you know what I come up with
@@TheGamer2Know Thanks, I just bought 10 of these since I've been replacing potentiometers like a mad man these last few days. The reason I ask is because I'm primarily fixing Xbox Elite Series 2 controllers, and those have a threaded/magnetic joystick stem so these Hall Effect ones will not work with the Xbox Elite accessories. If I can get away with only swapping the potentiometers to these Hall Effect ones and keep the joystick housing itself original, then it's the best of both worlds. That's assuming the magnetized joysticks on the Elite do not interfere with the Hall Effect sensors.
@spartanvi They will definitely interfere. As in my video towards the end when I took the magnet and brough it close up to the hall effect joystick, you could tell from the gamepad tester the stick was moving in response to the magnet.
i've done experiment on your questions, here is what I found out: ruclips.net/user/shortsMoyBWy0In2Q
@@spartanvi this idea off yours , is it solved the problem? I want to try this my self.
Amazing video. You are and engineer! Great information.
I still see stick drift at the very end of the video when you let go of the controller. Bro...
thats the right stick
@@weedless9531Oh , I see
Why don’t you caver a middle of the board with something to prevent it from heating? The plastic at the middle was melted
Why didn’t you just use the pump initially? No need for the extra steps with melting the alloy and the heat gun.
Hi Dear, I loved your videos especially animations, how could you creat animations?
dude i cant express how much grateful i am to find this video. always been the type to buy new controller
but this time im gonna try to fix it by myself, mine as well learn something new
subscribed!
9:35 You're telling me that his character inching forward right here is not caused by stick drift?
Jitter affects cod?
I have a question it might be a dumb question but here it goes witch one is faster and has less delay hall effect stiks or the regular one?
You used WAYYYYYYY too much low melt aloy. The blob on one pin could have been used for both joysticks!
can u test on xbox one ?
Can the hall sensors be used on
Ds4 controllers? I only find them for ps5
New to soldering and I am trying to learn more about it, what temperatures do you usually use when it comes to boards like this for the controller or just in general?
Like to see you do this on a dualsense Edge
thanks, i saved this video on my private playlists and i subscribed
how is the circularity with these sticks?
mine are sticky AF... I bought 2, installed them, left stick did not worked properly cuz after pressing L3, the stick never centered back and was whimping all over the place so I put it forward and it remained there like if the spring was not there to center it back to the middle... right stick seemed fine... I purchased 2 more... replaced the left stick AGAIN and now it works fine but day after that the right stick had the exact same issue... so I replaced that with the new one and now it has the same damn thing... I cant press L3 to lock on, every time I move the stick I hear crunching in there (yes it is clean inside) so it feels like its either not lubed up, too much lube so its sticky inside or I dunno... but I dont want to spend another like 15 bucks on sticks to try more and more and more until I finally find all 4 good ones to fix both of my gamepads...
you are not gettting the stick flat with the board
saldature da fabbro..
How many years it lasts hall effect analog
About 300. It's frictionless. The plastic will wear out before the magnets fail. I'm trying to learn soldering so I can do mine. It's the desoldering that I'm really struggling with.
@@zachypoo420 I just did mine. Not much experience soldering but I already had a replacement that I bought from eBay for $30. I highly recommend removing as much material as possible with the wick before adding the low melt and hitting it with the hot air. Just makes it a bit cleaner. Also there's now software to calibrate the sticks so no need to do it manually like he did at 8:40.
yeah i would try it but i dont have any equipment lol
😮😮
Someone know if a can use this joystick in a PowerA controller for the Xbox X
it's advertised to work with Xbox One.. if you're willing to take that risk to find out then 👍
@@autobr_ well the controller is for xbox....
If this is done for a pc gamepad will the pc or pc games filter out the jitters?
they should!
thanks!@@TheGamer2Know
Such a 10/10 informative video. Thanks a lot man, this really helped a lot. Great. channel
How do you fix stick drift if it still happens with a brand new controller?
return it for another
Hola amigo, compre unos joystick y al instalar el mando deja de funcionar, se necesita algun conponente extra para q funcione?
Probably didn't plug one of the wires back in all the way/correctly
you're not a true gamer off you're not watching this video
And you’re not a true diy‘ler if you watch this video before you messed up your main board 😂
I'm watching while playing hawked 😂
I would say "you don't actually own your property if youre not watching videos like these"
@@MrAussenseiterx3sad but true :(
You can't even spell!!!
one thing to mention is, that when you replace the analog sticks with Hall effect ones, you will have a small under-or overshoot, meaning if you pull the stick 100% in one direction it could show about 90% in game or 110%if you overshoot, meaning if you want to move your character with Hall effect, he could either go already at maximum speed when you didn't wanted him to or go slower than you wanted.
This issue only happens in ps5 controllers not a general thing though,i guess hall effect hasn't been perfected on it yet. However,The one in my ps4 controller is just perfect, my aiming in games got improved drastically.😅
They should work on ps4 controller? The pots on ps5 n 4 r pretty much same.
I've don'e it before they work
@@TheGamer2Know my ps4 are showing signs of drift lately. But i dont got a computer to calibrate, so i might just put new pots instead.
What is the difference with the blue module type? I see both types for ps5 but wich is better?
Yellow/yellow for ps5 are the v2 I think and for ps4 is yellow/black
The best 👌 thank you
I nevr had a stick problem...ps1 till ps3 NONE. I wonder what u do with xour pads.
Duh, ps1 to ps3 used better parts. Ps4/5 use cheap sticks. Its common knowledge. 🤷♂️
Thanks for this video
Can you tell me how you can centre the analog halleffect
I showed in the video. You have to use a pin in the hole and turn it
@@TheGamer2Know oh, i miss it thanks ❤️❤️❤️
@@TheGamer2Know this was not clear in the video.. I rewatched to find it... its barely visible that you're doing it and I only knew because of watching another video. Configuring the sticks after installation is just as important.
you mean over more then 30 years ago, not just more then 20 years.
Isn't true problem it's the pin.
What site or program do you use for testing and callibrating the sticks?
gamepad-tester.com/
My ps5 controller flashes orange 3 times.
At the end of the video the Analog drift continues and you move
I was configuring it. At 9:12 you can see it's centered with my hands away from the joystick. Just jiggers a little as I mentioned in the video
he's referring to the end of the video, there's still drift that makes the character move@@TheGamer2Know
But it is the joystick that wasn't replaced