Hi Martin, thanks for the kind comment mate, the M16 is a lovely rifle mate and these results were done with an out of the box barrel. The P10's are nice little rifles as well and they feel like you could run them over and they'd still work!
Hi Dan,seems like a pretty accurate well designed rifle to be honest I've been thinking about getting one of these for a while now and i reckon it's the better looking rifle out of the m16 range .good review Dan keep email coming more budget srpingers yeah! atb Dave
Hi Dave, Thanks mate! I 100% agree with you regarding the looks this standard M16 is a lovely looking thing and despite what the scales were saying it's actually much lighter feeling than you'd think and the accuracy speaks for itself. They're reliable rifles as well which is a huge plus and the tuning community for these is massive. Yep we're going to be doing more budget stuff this year, I've got a Kozak FC that I may need to do next but after that we'll be smooth sailing for some cheaper rifles. Thanks Dave and take care mate.
Had a bit of time shooting one of these with Dan, what a tremendous airgun this is. First gun that has ever felt like it was made for me . At this price point its a no brainer I know what my next gun is going to be . As for dan what a great guy nothing is to much trouble and a encyclopedia of knowledge about shooting all of which he will share with you to help you to be a better and safer shooter. 5+star service from a 5 star man Cheers Dan
Hey Phillip I was waiting for this haha, I promise I'll get it done mate don't worry about that. I can get rifles that I stock reviewed faster than ones outside my reach which is why the S200 has taken me a little bit of time. I have taken a look at one already but to say it was a bit rough would be an understatement and I turned it down as it wouldn't have been a fair test. I haven't forgotten about you mate and when I do you'll most definitely be getting a mention in the video haha. Thanks mate!
I swapped my air arms s200 for a spring gun made by the same company its a slavia the s200 is just a rebranded cz air rifle and so is my slavia its tuned to fk and it sort of looks like a hw 35 and an smk b2 custom had a baby all the insides bar the piston that's still stock is all red delrin i.e spring guide tophat are and the spring is a handmade one from some man in Northampton i swapoed the s200 with my dad ive wanted that slavia ever since he finished the tune its super cool i shoot open sight anyway and all i had to do was put my swiss arms rear diopter sight on there and its a tack driver and only weighs 7.5 lb i love cz air guns dare i say it there better than air arms
Excellent review , lovely looking rifle , good accuracy , few dodgy points,as you mentioned .. but a bargain nonetheless ... enjoyed the show .. better then the telly ...
Hi Mark! Thanks for the kind comment mate, the M16 rifles are fantastic bits of kit but I do despise that safety. Other than that though there isn't a great deal to complain about. I'm not a PCP man but I do have a serious soft spot for the M16. Thanks Mark!
I can sort of agree with that mate except when you compare it to rifles which are considerably more expensive the M16 actually does really well for itself. AA S410: 60-70 shots. HW100: 70-80 shots. BSA R10: 100-120 shots. Artemis M16: 115 shots. The older M16's with the wonky regs usually went on to around 140 shots but the consistency was a bit all over the place.
@@bigdansairguns83 may be making some too in my cupboard for an m16, maybe a good partner to my HW97k, power isn't everything, my 97 has been tweaked and constantly, and accurately and smoothly takes bunnies, rats, and nuisance crows out to 35yrds + at 10.6ft lb ( tin bum short stroke kit, spring sleeve,relube)
@@lfcmarkeb7124 I agree with that mate I've always preferred my springers to be around 10.5. I've currently got a little XS19 and that thing is almost PCP like to shoot when it comes to recoil.
@@bigdansairguns83 yes ...you were on about the M16 being 7lb in weight only about 1.8 lb lighter than my 97 lol..my 97..177 seems to love crossman premier domed 7.9grn (bought box 1250 heard better quality than the smaller qty tins).seems to shoot them a little better than Jsb 8.4.
@@lfcmarkeb7124 The M16 is deceptively heavy though unlike the HW97 due to how they're balanced. I own a HW97KT and although I quite like the weight it's definitely more noticeable due to the rifle being very nose heavy, the M16 seems to be a more neutrally balanced rifle. Regarding Crosman pellets the only rifle I've had any success with them in was an XS78. My 97 seems to like Sniper Lights, JSB's and FTT's.
These guns seems to like baracudas a lot and the one advantage of baracudas in these magazines are that you feel the pellet going in so you know when the magazine is empty and smooth, thus you eliminate dry firing by mistake .jsbs good too but you don't feel a thing when you push them through the magazine.
Habitually clean the barrel on every new rifle now,the difference in accuracy is night and day without all that oil in there. Looks a cracking rifle for the money.
Thanks mate! I've got some new ideas for our next reviews so we can get a bit more shooting done in them. Let me know what you think when they're uploaded.
Listen 'ere boyo if yoo can't ere that's Welsh then yoo need to get yer ears cleaned out shaarpish. I probably still speak better Welsh than I do English!
Hi Percy, This one is somewhat tricky as you'll know I love both of them. If I ignore my nostalgic connection to the M22 I'd probably go for the M16. It doesn't have the shot count of the M22 but it's a lighter and better balanced rifle. The trigger is also superior on the M16. Regarding accuracy both will put pellet on pellet but the M22 does seem to be less pellet fussy at least at 12ft-lbs. Both are good but I think the trigger and overall feel just about tips it in the M16's favour. Thanks Percy and if you ever have any other questions never hesitate to get in touch.
As for the little togel in front of the trigger personally I think they are less safe than a button that you press from side to side, if you pull back on the little toggle there's more chance of your finger hitting the trigger and making it go off , whereas you can't set the trigger of pushing a button side to side , just my opinion, 😁👍
Hey Dan you must do a review on the Lobo Mustang.Its Amazing 13 round magazine in.177 . A PCP 12FT LBS. under lever looks like Winchester, I've joust Bought one.
Hi Jonathan and thanks for the kind comments. It depends on what you're looking for in a PCP. If you don't mind some slightly rougher edges and prioritise a high shot count and a less pellet fussy barrel I'd go for the Alpha. The M16 however to me at least feels like the more refined rifle, the stock is better shaped, the consistency is better through the chrono on average and once you find the pellet they like (usually FTT's or Baracudas) I think they just edge out the Alpha when it comes to accuracy, they're also easier to tweak and tune if you'd be interested in that. The M16 also has the superior trigger. Neither one is a bad rifle and both will definitely embarrass some of the much more expensive rifles on the market but it depends on what tickles your fancy mate. Thanks Jonathan and sorry for the late reply.
Hi mate, the M16's scope rail is mounted fairly closely to the cheekpiece so you can mount more or less any size scope you'd like. For a budget option the Milbro CV's are nice and clear but the ideal setup would be a Discovery VT series scope as they have a cleaner reticle. Thanks mate.
Cracking review Dan nicely done cheers , if You get the chance how about a quick comparison test with say the Gamo Phox and a couple of other £500 PCP's , Thanks again keep up the good work .
Hi Richard, thanks for the comment mate! It's a good idea and I'd love to do a shoot off with the Phox as they're a lovely little rifle. I'm definitely not saying no mate. (between us... what I'd really love to do is compare the Zbroia Hortitsia against the Artemis M16 alongside the Phox or the Kral Puncher Pro but my suppliers may not be so happy depending on who ends up winning haha, I'll definitely be asking them though!)
@@bigdansairguns83 I hope Your successful in persuading them that its in there best interests to go along with comparative reviews . By listening to the concerns/issues noted in Your excellent reviews they stand to gain valuable insights as to the needs and desire's of their potential end users (the consumer/purchaser ) and thus increase their profits ,so everybody's a winner in the long run , You can always remind them that Your aim (which is excellent , pun not intended, but both essentially correct ) is Objective , though like everything else it can only end up being One's own subjective view , I personally like many many rifles and a good few pistols though without owning/ trying them all , most of My views are based on read text /pictures and more recently on video reviews and occasionally on My actual use off them , My purchase of My Remy Express was based on a review by Giles at the Air Gun Gear show and several read reviews and was My first purchase of a rifle in over 40 years , since My Webley Hawk MK2 bought as a teenager all those years ago and I find it to be an excellent purchase & am very happy I bought it , I am currently Trying to save to buy My first PCP, but as Iv'e only ever tried an AA S410 belonging to a friend and as price is obviously a major a factor ,Rifles such as the Artemis & Phox etc are high on My watch list ,I am sure many others are similarly minded . Anyway enough of the ramble , good luck with Your powers of persuasion , keep up the good work and Thanks again .
@@richarddixon7276 Hi Richard, Good news mate I've had a chat with my suppliers and they're being good sports and letting me run wild with the rifles. I'm an RFD after all mate so being slippery/persuasive is what I'm good at!
@@bigdansairguns83 Excellent work mate , I wouldn't describe You as "Slippery " in any way , simply a down to earth & a common sense type of chap , I look forward to watching Your reviews as soon as I possibly can after You post them , unfortunately due to not having the internet at home I am confined to watching them at work during rest/quiet periods , Shift work helps but being "Public Sector " sucks thanks to wage restraint, so We have to take whatever perks are available I get to watch You & , Other shooting websites , I'm So Glad I found Yours ! , Thanks again.
Hi Thunder. It's a metric thread I believe but off memory I can't remember what the actual spec is. You can get adaptors however to convert it to 1/2UNF.
Hi Percy, That's a difficult one as I'm a massive fan of both (especially the M22 version of the M11) but I'd personally choose the M16. It's a bit more refined than the M11, lighter, has a better feeling trigger and has a nicer overall stock. Thanks Percy and if you ever need anything never hesitate to give us a shout.
with these around and maybe a little more than the (gun only) rotex RM8 and gamo coyote,do you feel they can compete long term reliability/consistency against them ? given the Artemis is stuck with the"cheap Chinese gun" tag ?
Hey mate, I'd happily bet that the M16's will outlast the pair of them especially if you get the later models with the updated barrels/regs. The other advantage with the M16 is that they're easy as pie to service should anything ever go wrong. There's a saying that I really like that fits the Artemis rifles really well and that's "keep it simple, stupid". If you've got a few allen keys and a screwdriver you can completely strip the M16. All rifles have their own advantages but as someone who has shot all three of them I'd take the Artemis.. it's the best combination of reliability, accuracy, weight and balance. The trigger is also quite a bit better than the RM8's and the Coyote's at least in my opinion. That being said though if shot count is what you're after then the RM8 is undeniably the best.
Hi mate and thanks for watching! This is a difficult one as each rifle is drastically different from each other. Regarding quality and feel I'd give it to the M16 personally as the P15's stock is a little bit on the bland side when new. Regarding accuracy there's almost nothing between them as they're both lasers in this regard. What I will say though is that if you're cursed with longer arms like myself or you're used to heavier rifles then the P15 may feel quite uncomfortable until you get used to it. The M16 feels much more natural to shoulder with it being a full sized rifle. What is definitely worth mentioning though is that although the tuning community for the M16 is pretty big it still pales in comparison to the P15's potential for future upgrades, so if you're a tinkerer you might get more smiles per mile out of the P15. If you're after an easy to use and shoulder rifle that is pellet on pellet the M16 will be for you. If you're after a rifle that is feather light, small and still pellet on pellet and you like pimping your rifles out then it might be worth checking out the P15. Sorry for the wall of text!!
@@bigdansairguns83 Hi mate. Thank you very much for your explanation about both airguns 👍👌 Don't worry about the wall of text 😉. I love it when people explain things like you did.. It makes my choice way easier.. 😁. Are both backyard friendly? Cheers.
@@B-Bandit70 Hey mate, Well the P15 comes with a baffled shroud as standard and the M16 comes with a silencer, that being said though although it definitely lessens the "crack" after the trigger is pulled they still aren't exactly truly silent. It all depends on what your neighbours are like!
@@bigdansairguns83 But still more silent than for example a weihrauch 77 or 97? I shoot from inside the house into the backyard, don't have any problems with my neighbors when I shoot my weihrauch. So if the krack is the same or less as the HW than there's no problem.
@@B-Bandit70 You'll be absolutely fine mate they're both quieter than a HW97 haha. Plus if the rifle is a bit too loud you can replace the standard silencer baffles with hair curlers and it'll be much quieter!
Hi Toshi, pretty much mate yes and it's the same case with the PR900/P15 as well. The Diana also has a walnut stock which is rather fetching I must admit!
I know im a bit late but can you tell me if the gun gave you any trouble after owning and using it for a few years now? I want one but I've been seeing stories of people getting nothing but trouble with them,,, leaky seals and not holding zero ect,,, can you or anyone else tell me your experience with it? Thanks either way 😊
Hi Sam. I never really had any leaks with any of mine. In regards to zeroing the only time they'll lose zero is if the barrel is knocked as the barrel band is a more aesthetic than functional in my experience. The only major issues I had was the cocking pin failing which happened in 2020 as soon as the lockdowns lifted. I don't stock SMK products any more so I can't comment on if it was repaired or not but I'd imagine it's sorted. Other than that they're an excellent rifle and one of my favourite PCP's. Just remember to keep the barrel clean is the only thing as they don't like lead building up.
@@bigdansairguns83 thank you so much for replying, interestingly enough I have an artemis pp750 which developed the same problem (if I'm correct in thinking it's the same part,, the pin that holds the cocking lever to the part that pulls the hammer spring back in the frame of the gun?) But it was thankfully an easy fix... I've had so many smiles per miles with my first Artemis that I think with your video and reply I will be getting the M16 soon enough. Thanks again.
Hey mate, yeah the mags themselves are actually pretty good and I've yet to have a mag jam or fail. You're definitely right about the mike mate haha we'll be sorting out a lapel mic very soon hopefully along with another mic for voice overs. Cheers mate.
saw Giles had one of those styer.semi auto/selfindexing rifle,would you be able to get/try/and review one .plus how do feel they sit within the law ,have read heard that they are skirting on the edge of the regs ? nice gun but high price .
Hey mate, I'm aiming to target some of the cheaper air rifles for my next reviews but I definitely wouldn't say no to trying one if I can get my mitts on one. Semi-auto air rifles are a bit of a grey area when it comes to the law and many manufacturers will refuse to create a semi-auto rifle if it has a rifled barrel. An interesting rifle regarding this situation is the Beretta CX4 Storm CO2 rifle, when it first came out it was a semi-auto with a rifled barrel. However once they started becoming popular and questions started getting raised regarding laws around SA air rifles they quickly changed them to have a smoothbore barrel. As it stands the Steyr is technically legal.. but the questions is for how long?
@@bigdansairguns83 yes ,that's something I heard elsewhere,their ok until something happens then wh n police involved you may well end up in a whole load of doodoo .
Hey Frank. It's not, I think Pellpax are using SMK's own figures which are well out of whack. Some of ours on the site are still the same until we can get the rifles weighed and the site adjusted.
If it was possible to do every British accent in a few seconds including Republican Irish, American, a dash of Icelandic and mainly North Walian and Scouse, well done. My mate Welsh Willie from a mile or so across the way as the crow flies would die laughing. But as they say here in Swansea, Cowin Lush.🤣
Hi Ray! I aim to please hahaha. I was dared to do it by one of your fellow Welshmen and I don't back down from a challenge especially one that'll make me look more of a tit than usual haha. I'm glad you enjoyed my butchard Welsh boyo. 😆
Im getting an Artemis m16a and an air tank and im going to pop a hawk 2x7x32 on it and its going to be my cheap theoben rapid because im not gettimg a rapid they dont make spares and the people that have them for sale want gazillions for them and even more for the rifles yh the stocks not as nice but with a harris bipod on there its just as good im defo getting a .177 and a fuck ton of barracuda and barracuda hunter xtreme pellets and the copper costed ftts too...im getting the Artemis pistol aswell and im making walnut grips for it 😁😁😁😁😁✌👾
Hi mate, Yeah it's a shame about the Rapids as they're really lovely rifles but where they're getting a bit rare the prices are only going to go up. I've always said that the M16's will be the new Rapids as they're ridiculously easy to work on and they provide a great chassis for tuning. A customer of mine swears by the Baracuda pellets alongside the Baracuda FT's and the new Chinese QYS pellets. He's getting single hole groups at 50 yards with them! That pistol will look the bomb when its got those grips mate you'll look like Robocop's wealthier cousin with those haha.
Great review Dan! It's really easy to listen to you despite video being so long. Btw I'm going to get a pcp rifle and decided to go with Artemis, but I still haven't decided exactly which one to get. I'm divided between M16 and P15 (.22 caliber). What are your thoughts or recommendations? Cheers mate!😎🍻
@@VladimirPrsic How does it perform? I got one two months ago, but the accuracy was awful (maybe faulty barrel or reg). Gunsmith couldn't get it right do I sold it promising myself not to get close to Artemis again....but M16 is so tempting..
Hi Steven, both rifles are lovely bits of kit but I'd personally choose the M16 over the M22. For starters the M16 tends to be a bit less pellet fussy and in general it feels like a more refined rifle. The M22/M11 are great rifles and the double regulator system they use makes them incredibly consistent through the chrono but they don't quite have the same finesse and easy of use as the M16 due to them being larger in general and a bit heavier. The action on them is beautiful to use though and I'd happily say that they have the smoothest bolts I've ever used. The M16 is a rapier whereas the M22/M11 is a sledgehammer.
That's nothing you should hear me try to do a Scottish accent it's even worse hahaha. I could do a review like father Jack I suppose.. Rifle! .. Shoots like feck! .. Drink! Maybe I better not.
Hi again Dan, we eMailed back and forth about my disabled grandson. Cant get an Alpha, but will look for this one, or the 16a. My question, what do I look for to get the latest model and avoid the MK1's troubles. Cheers.
Hi mate, I knew that name looked familiar haha. I've actually put a post on the Airgun Forum UK regarding serial numbers of the potentially dodgy M16's and the fixed models. It may be worth searching on there and making a note of the numbers so if you pick one up second hand you'll know if it's a good'un or not. The AGF is a great place to join too as there's a ton of helpful members on there and the banter is great too. If buying new you should be fine as the dodgy batch was quite a while ago now and all of our rifles are checked/tested before being released for sale. Thanks mate and as always if you ever need anything never hesitate to get in touch.
Hi Phillip. The Artemis rifles are fantastic and I can guarantee you'll love the M16. It's my personal favourite Artemis at the moment and possibly my favourite PCP that I stock in general. Give one a shoulder and you'll fall in love I reckon. Cheers Phillip.
Years of joy was not even close probable around 2 hours....Sadly the artems m16 is garbage, i managed to fire under 200 jsb hades over 2 days of gentle shooting and the trigger horribly malfunctioned i got my money refunded, be warned people there cheap for a reason save up for something better i wish i had. :'(
You must lear to shoot or the Artemis M16 is crap. I can shoot better groups with my HW50 neck-beak spring-gun at 25 meters. My best 5 shot group is the size of 'n .22 pellet.
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I brought one of these this morning and its fantastic, it's going to give me years of joy...this and one other review sold it for me, thanks dan :D
Hi Si.
That's great to hear mate you're going to love it. Welcome to the Artemisfit fan club!
Great review. Thank you. I’m getting one in .25. Got P10 already - after cleaning the barrel it’s brilliant.
All the best to you.
Hi Martin,
thanks for the kind comment mate, the M16 is a lovely rifle mate and these results were done with an out of the box barrel.
The P10's are nice little rifles as well and they feel like you could run them over and they'd still work!
Beat review I've seen to date. Many thanks, Jack.
Hi Jack,
thanks ever so much mate that means a lot. Not bad for a Chinese rifle eh?
A mix of Welsh and Liverpool. That’s original.😂
Hi Dan,seems like a pretty accurate well designed rifle to be honest I've been thinking about getting one of these for a while now and i reckon it's the better looking rifle out of the m16 range .good review Dan keep email coming more budget srpingers yeah! atb Dave
Hi Dave,
Thanks mate! I 100% agree with you regarding the looks this standard M16 is a lovely looking thing and despite what the scales were saying it's actually much lighter feeling than you'd think and the accuracy speaks for itself. They're reliable rifles as well which is a huge plus and the tuning community for these is massive.
Yep we're going to be doing more budget stuff this year, I've got a Kozak FC that I may need to do next but after that we'll be smooth sailing for some cheaper rifles.
Thanks Dave and take care mate.
Had a bit of time shooting one of these with Dan, what a tremendous airgun this is. First gun that has ever felt like it was made for me . At this price point its a no brainer I know what my next gun is going to be . As for dan what a great guy nothing is to much trouble and a encyclopedia of knowledge about shooting all of which he will share with you to help you to be a better and safer shooter. 5+star service from a 5 star man
Cheers Dan
S200 review any time soon? I watch all your videos, comment on most , one of the most down to earth reviewers out there , keep up the good work 😁👍
Hey Phillip I was waiting for this haha, I promise I'll get it done mate don't worry about that. I can get rifles that I stock reviewed faster than ones outside my reach which is why the S200 has taken me a little bit of time. I have taken a look at one already but to say it was a bit rough would be an understatement and I turned it down as it wouldn't have been a fair test.
I haven't forgotten about you mate and when I do you'll most definitely be getting a mention in the video haha. Thanks mate!
I swapped my air arms s200 for a spring gun made by the same company its a slavia the s200 is just a rebranded cz air rifle and so is my slavia its tuned to fk and it sort of looks like a hw 35 and an smk b2 custom had a baby all the insides bar the piston that's still stock is all red delrin i.e spring guide tophat are and the spring is a handmade one from some man in Northampton i swapoed the s200 with my dad ive wanted that slavia ever since he finished the tune its super cool i shoot open sight anyway and all i had to do was put my swiss arms rear diopter sight on there and its a tack driver and only weighs 7.5 lb i love cz air guns dare i say it there better than air arms
Excellent review , lovely looking rifle , good accuracy , few dodgy points,as you mentioned .. but a bargain nonetheless ... enjoyed the show .. better then the telly ...
Hi Mark!
Thanks for the kind comment mate, the M16 rifles are fantastic bits of kit but I do despise that safety. Other than that though there isn't a great deal to complain about. I'm not a PCP man but I do have a serious soft spot for the M16.
Thanks Mark!
well finally The M16 review pheww..worth the wait.expected a few more shots per fill given it's regulated.
I can sort of agree with that mate except when you compare it to rifles which are considerably more expensive the M16 actually does really well for itself.
AA S410: 60-70 shots.
HW100: 70-80 shots.
BSA R10: 100-120 shots.
Artemis M16: 115 shots.
The older M16's with the wonky regs usually went on to around 140 shots but the consistency was a bit all over the place.
@@bigdansairguns83 may be making some too in my cupboard for an m16, maybe a good partner to my HW97k, power isn't everything, my 97 has been tweaked and constantly, and accurately and smoothly takes bunnies, rats, and nuisance crows out to 35yrds + at 10.6ft lb ( tin bum short stroke kit, spring sleeve,relube)
@@lfcmarkeb7124 I agree with that mate I've always preferred my springers to be around 10.5. I've currently got a little XS19 and that thing is almost PCP like to shoot when it comes to recoil.
@@bigdansairguns83 yes ...you were on about the M16 being 7lb in weight only about 1.8 lb lighter than my 97 lol..my 97..177 seems to love crossman premier domed 7.9grn (bought box 1250 heard better quality than the smaller qty tins).seems to shoot them a little better than Jsb 8.4.
@@lfcmarkeb7124 The M16 is deceptively heavy though unlike the HW97 due to how they're balanced. I own a HW97KT and although I quite like the weight it's definitely more noticeable due to the rifle being very nose heavy, the M16 seems to be a more neutrally balanced rifle.
Regarding Crosman pellets the only rifle I've had any success with them in was an XS78. My 97 seems to like Sniper Lights, JSB's and FTT's.
These guns seems to like baracudas a lot and the one advantage of baracudas in these magazines are that you feel the pellet going in so you know when the magazine is empty and smooth, thus you eliminate dry firing by mistake .jsbs good too but you don't feel a thing when you push them through the magazine.
Habitually clean the barrel on every new rifle now,the difference in accuracy is night and day without all that oil in there.
Looks a cracking rifle for the money.
Dan finally a m16 review 😂 and a great one
Thanks Boyo.
WOW! Best review so far! Keep it up!
Thanks mate!
I've got some new ideas for our next reviews so we can get a bit more shooting done in them.
Let me know what you think when they're uploaded.
Great Review Dan, gun looks good to me wouldnt mind a wee shot of one ;)
Hey Scott,
Thanks mate! Well if you're ever in the Essex area then give me a shout you're always welcome to pop down and have a go at mine.
Jesus that was an accent of Welsh, Irish and Scottish combined 😂😂😂
Listen 'ere boyo if yoo can't ere that's Welsh then yoo need to get yer ears cleaned out shaarpish.
I probably still speak better Welsh than I do English!
@@bigdansairguns83 😂😂😂 bendigedig
Frankly Big Dan I thought that your "Welsh" accent was crap but what do I know? That sheep sounded scared so you must have had it convinced!!
Hahaha thanks Jack!
Hi dan i have a question to you, if you have to choose beteewn the m 16 or the m22 what Will you pick and why?
Hi Percy,
This one is somewhat tricky as you'll know I love both of them.
If I ignore my nostalgic connection to the M22 I'd probably go for the M16. It doesn't have the shot count of the M22 but it's a lighter and better balanced rifle. The trigger is also superior on the M16.
Regarding accuracy both will put pellet on pellet but the M22 does seem to be less pellet fussy at least at 12ft-lbs.
Both are good but I think the trigger and overall feel just about tips it in the M16's favour.
Thanks Percy and if you ever have any other questions never hesitate to get in touch.
As for the little togel in front of the trigger personally I think they are less safe than a button that you press from side to side, if you pull back on the little toggle there's more chance of your finger hitting the trigger and making it go off , whereas you can't set the trigger of pushing a button side to side , just my opinion, 😁👍
Hey Dan you must do a review on the Lobo Mustang.Its Amazing 13 round magazine in.177 . A PCP 12FT LBS. under lever looks like Winchester, I've joust Bought one.
Anyway to tell of the dodgy batch ones? Serial numbers or anything like that?
Great review. M16 or nova vista alpha. Id love to know your opinion.
Hi Dan,now you've tested M16 and the Nova vista alpha what would you recommend.
PS best airgun reviews I've seen.
Hi Jonathan and thanks for the kind comments.
It depends on what you're looking for in a PCP. If you don't mind some slightly rougher edges and prioritise a high shot count and a less pellet fussy barrel I'd go for the Alpha.
The M16 however to me at least feels like the more refined rifle, the stock is better shaped, the consistency is better through the chrono on average and once you find the pellet they like (usually FTT's or Baracudas) I think they just edge out the Alpha when it comes to accuracy, they're also easier to tweak and tune if you'd be interested in that.
The M16 also has the superior trigger.
Neither one is a bad rifle and both will definitely embarrass some of the much more expensive rifles on the market but it depends on what tickles your fancy mate.
Thanks Jonathan and sorry for the late reply.
Thanks Dan for the reply
Thanks for the video, Recommended scope to pair it with?
Hi mate,
the M16's scope rail is mounted fairly closely to the cheekpiece so you can mount more or less any size scope you'd like. For a budget option the Milbro CV's are nice and clear but the ideal setup would be a Discovery VT series scope as they have a cleaner reticle.
Thanks mate.
Cracking review Dan nicely done cheers , if You get the chance how about a quick comparison test with say the Gamo Phox and a couple of other £500 PCP's , Thanks again keep up the good work .
Hi Richard,
thanks for the comment mate! It's a good idea and I'd love to do a shoot off with the Phox as they're a lovely little rifle. I'm definitely not saying no mate.
(between us... what I'd really love to do is compare the Zbroia Hortitsia against the Artemis M16 alongside the Phox or the Kral Puncher Pro but my suppliers may not be so happy depending on who ends up winning haha, I'll definitely be asking them though!)
@@bigdansairguns83 I hope Your successful in persuading them that its in there best interests to go along with comparative reviews . By listening to the concerns/issues noted in Your excellent reviews they stand to gain valuable insights as to the needs and desire's of their potential end users (the consumer/purchaser ) and thus increase their profits ,so everybody's a winner in the long run , You can always remind them that Your aim (which is excellent , pun not intended, but both essentially correct ) is Objective , though like everything else it can only end up being One's own subjective view , I personally like many many rifles and a good few pistols though without owning/ trying them all , most of My views are based on read text /pictures and more recently on video reviews and occasionally on My actual use off them , My purchase of My Remy Express was based on a review by Giles at the Air Gun Gear show and several read reviews and was My first purchase of a rifle in over 40 years , since My Webley Hawk MK2 bought as a teenager all those years ago and I find it to be an excellent purchase & am very happy I bought it , I am currently Trying to save to buy My first PCP, but as Iv'e only ever tried an AA S410 belonging to a friend and as price is obviously a major a factor ,Rifles such as the Artemis & Phox etc are high on My watch list ,I am sure many others are similarly minded . Anyway enough of the ramble , good luck with Your powers of persuasion , keep up the good work and Thanks again .
@@richarddixon7276 Hi Richard,
Good news mate I've had a chat with my suppliers and they're being good sports and letting me run wild with the rifles.
I'm an RFD after all mate so being slippery/persuasive is what I'm good at!
@@bigdansairguns83 Excellent work mate , I wouldn't describe You as "Slippery " in any way , simply a down to earth & a common sense type of chap , I look forward to watching Your reviews as soon as I possibly can after You post them , unfortunately due to not having the internet at home I am confined to watching them at work during rest/quiet periods , Shift work helps but being "Public Sector " sucks thanks to wage restraint, so We have to take whatever perks are available I get to watch You & , Other shooting websites , I'm So Glad I found Yours ! , Thanks again.
What weight barracudas are you shooting, Dan? 4.51 or 4.52?
Hey Kvee!
off memory 10.65grn.
Where is the wink wink shop you mentioned? Love the reviews nicely made and very informative
hey nice video, do you know the thread of the silencer?
Hi Thunder. It's a metric thread I believe but off memory I can't remember what the actual spec is. You can get adaptors however to convert it to 1/2UNF.
@@bigdansairguns83 Thx for the reply, i've just bought one un cal .25 and the adapter from donnyfl let's see how It works
hello dan, nice review. if you have to choose bethewn a m16 or a m11, what would you choose and why? thanks.
Hi Percy,
That's a difficult one as I'm a massive fan of both (especially the M22 version of the M11) but I'd personally choose the M16.
It's a bit more refined than the M11, lighter, has a better feeling trigger and has a nicer overall stock.
Thanks Percy and if you ever need anything never hesitate to give us a shout.
with these around and maybe a little more than the (gun only) rotex RM8 and gamo coyote,do you feel they can compete long term reliability/consistency against them ? given the Artemis is stuck with the"cheap Chinese gun" tag ?
Hey mate,
I'd happily bet that the M16's will outlast the pair of them especially if you get the later models with the updated barrels/regs. The other advantage with the M16 is that they're easy as pie to service should anything ever go wrong.
There's a saying that I really like that fits the Artemis rifles really well and that's "keep it simple, stupid". If you've got a few allen keys and a screwdriver you can completely strip the M16.
All rifles have their own advantages but as someone who has shot all three of them I'd take the Artemis.. it's the best combination of reliability, accuracy, weight and balance. The trigger is also quite a bit better than the RM8's and the Coyote's at least in my opinion.
That being said though if shot count is what you're after then the RM8 is undeniably the best.
Hi Dan.
I enjoyed your review.
Which one do you prefer quality and accuracy wise? the m16 or the p15?
Hi mate and thanks for watching!
This is a difficult one as each rifle is drastically different from each other.
Regarding quality and feel I'd give it to the M16 personally as the P15's stock is a little bit on the bland side when new.
Regarding accuracy there's almost nothing between them as they're both lasers in this regard. What I will say though is that if you're cursed with longer arms like myself or you're used to heavier rifles then the P15 may feel quite uncomfortable until you get used to it. The M16 feels much more natural to shoulder with it being a full sized rifle.
What is definitely worth mentioning though is that although the tuning community for the M16 is pretty big it still pales in comparison to the P15's potential for future upgrades, so if you're a tinkerer you might get more smiles per mile out of the P15.
If you're after an easy to use and shoulder rifle that is pellet on pellet the M16 will be for you.
If you're after a rifle that is feather light, small and still pellet on pellet and you like pimping your rifles out then it might be worth checking out the P15.
Sorry for the wall of text!!
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Hi mate.
Thank you very much for your explanation about both airguns 👍👌
Don't worry about the wall of text 😉. I love it when people explain things like you did.. It makes my choice way easier.. 😁.
Are both backyard friendly?
Cheers.
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Hey mate,
Well the P15 comes with a baffled shroud as standard and the M16 comes with a silencer, that being said though although it definitely lessens the "crack" after the trigger is pulled they still aren't exactly truly silent. It all depends on what your neighbours are like!
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But still more silent than for example a weihrauch 77 or 97?
I shoot from inside the house into the backyard, don't have any problems with my neighbors when I shoot my weihrauch. So if the krack is the same or less as the HW than there's no problem.
@@B-Bandit70 You'll be absolutely fine mate they're both quieter than a HW97 haha. Plus if the rifle is a bit too loud you can replace the standard silencer baffles with hair curlers and it'll be much quieter!
What can say ! Hello taffy . Fair play boyo !
I said I'd get it done didn't I?
Never again though Lawson mate... nobody should have to be put through that ever again.
Is Diana out law and Artemis M16 same gun with different names?
Hi Toshi,
pretty much mate yes and it's the same case with the PR900/P15 as well. The Diana also has a walnut stock which is rather fetching I must admit!
Is the barrel silencer threaded for standard 1/2" unf or is it a custom thread ? I want to use my own silencer ...thanks
I know im a bit late but can you tell me if the gun gave you any trouble after owning and using it for a few years now? I want one but I've been seeing stories of people getting nothing but trouble with them,,, leaky seals and not holding zero ect,,, can you or anyone else tell me your experience with it?
Thanks either way 😊
Hi Sam.
I never really had any leaks with any of mine. In regards to zeroing the only time they'll lose zero is if the barrel is knocked as the barrel band is a more aesthetic than functional in my experience.
The only major issues I had was the cocking pin failing which happened in 2020 as soon as the lockdowns lifted. I don't stock SMK products any more so I can't comment on if it was repaired or not but I'd imagine it's sorted. Other than that they're an excellent rifle and one of my favourite PCP's. Just remember to keep the barrel clean is the only thing as they don't like lead building up.
@@bigdansairguns83 thank you so much for replying, interestingly enough I have an artemis pp750 which developed the same problem (if I'm correct in thinking it's the same part,, the pin that holds the cocking lever to the part that pulls the hammer spring back in the frame of the gun?) But it was thankfully an easy fix... I've had so many smiles per miles with my first Artemis that I think with your video and reply I will be getting the M16 soon enough. Thanks again.
Looks like another Bic biro pen top job poking the pellets into the mag, now Dan you need a new microphone cover or mike set up. good vide
Hey mate,
yeah the mags themselves are actually pretty good and I've yet to have a mag jam or fail.
You're definitely right about the mike mate haha we'll be sorting out a lapel mic very soon hopefully along with another mic for voice overs.
Cheers mate.
I prefer trigger mounted safety's.
saw Giles had one of those styer.semi auto/selfindexing rifle,would you be able to get/try/and review one .plus how do feel they sit within the law ,have read heard that they are skirting on the edge of the regs ? nice gun but high price .
Hey mate,
I'm aiming to target some of the cheaper air rifles for my next reviews but I definitely wouldn't say no to trying one if I can get my mitts on one.
Semi-auto air rifles are a bit of a grey area when it comes to the law and many manufacturers will refuse to create a semi-auto rifle if it has a rifled barrel. An interesting rifle regarding this situation is the Beretta CX4 Storm CO2 rifle, when it first came out it was a semi-auto with a rifled barrel.
However once they started becoming popular and questions started getting raised regarding laws around SA air rifles they quickly changed them to have a smoothbore barrel.
As it stands the Steyr is technically legal.. but the questions is for how long?
@@bigdansairguns83 yes ,that's something I heard elsewhere,their ok until something happens then wh n police involved you may well end up in a whole load of doodoo .
Sounds either Irish or maybe Geordie rather than Welsh except for the Boy-o bit!
Don't forget the sheep!
Great review s
hate safety on trigger.
but never really use the safety looking at P35 myself
Does a tight mag affect accuracy?
That accent was more like something from the Six Nations!
hey dan! this model on pellpaax says it weighs 5lb..
Hey Frank.
It's not, I think Pellpax are using SMK's own figures which are well out of whack. Some of ours on the site are still the same until we can get the rifles weighed and the site adjusted.
Is The muzzle tread 1/2 20 unf?
Is there any precaution to not load more then one pellet per shot?
Hi mate,
Unfortunately not I'm afraid mate.
Hi Dan, when are you going to re-test this with the Wasps?
Does the m16D like those barracuda as well ?
If it was possible to do every British accent in a few seconds including Republican Irish, American, a dash of Icelandic and mainly North Walian and Scouse, well done. My mate Welsh Willie from a mile or so across the way as the crow flies would die laughing. But as they say here in Swansea, Cowin Lush.🤣
Hi Ray!
I aim to please hahaha. I was dared to do it by one of your fellow Welshmen and I don't back down from a challenge especially one that'll make me look more of a tit than usual haha.
I'm glad you enjoyed my butchard Welsh boyo. 😆
Im getting an Artemis m16a and an air tank and im going to pop a hawk 2x7x32 on it and its going to be my cheap theoben rapid because im not gettimg a rapid they dont make spares and the people that have them for sale want gazillions for them and even more for the rifles yh the stocks not as nice but with a harris bipod on there its just as good im defo getting a .177 and a fuck ton of barracuda and barracuda hunter xtreme pellets and the copper costed ftts too...im getting the Artemis pistol aswell and im making walnut grips for it 😁😁😁😁😁✌👾
Hi mate,
Yeah it's a shame about the Rapids as they're really lovely rifles but where they're getting a bit rare the prices are only going to go up.
I've always said that the M16's will be the new Rapids as they're ridiculously easy to work on and they provide a great chassis for tuning.
A customer of mine swears by the Baracuda pellets alongside the Baracuda FT's and the new Chinese QYS pellets. He's getting single hole groups at 50 yards with them!
That pistol will look the bomb when its got those grips mate you'll look like Robocop's wealthier cousin with those haha.
Sir 50 yard target for best pellt m16
Sir barcuda pellet how grain
kailum O'Connor is mega into it
Do you still have this gun in stock?
Great review Dan! It's really easy to listen to you despite video being so long. Btw I'm going to get a pcp rifle and decided to go with Artemis, but I still haven't decided exactly which one to get. I'm divided between M16 and P15 (.22 caliber). What are your thoughts or recommendations? Cheers mate!😎🍻
Did you get p15??
@@gosbeskidu1929 Yes, a .22 version.
@@VladimirPrsic How does it perform? I got one two months ago, but the accuracy was awful (maybe faulty barrel or reg). Gunsmith couldn't get it right do I sold it promising myself not to get close to Artemis again....but M16 is so tempting..
@Głos Beskidu mine performs well. Do you have warranty?
@@VladimirPrsic yes but no contact with a store...
Hi. Which one do you think better. M16 vs M22 ?
Hi Steven,
both rifles are lovely bits of kit but I'd personally choose the M16 over the M22.
For starters the M16 tends to be a bit less pellet fussy and in general it feels like a more refined rifle.
The M22/M11 are great rifles and the double regulator system they use makes them incredibly consistent through the chrono but they don't quite have the same finesse and easy of use as the M16 due to them being larger in general and a bit heavier. The action on them is beautiful to use though and I'd happily say that they have the smoothest bolts I've ever used.
The M16 is a rapier whereas the M22/M11 is a sledgehammer.
@@bigdansairguns83 thank you for the sharing. I will get M16 instead of M22 😁
mmm head it more like that fella out of father Ted lol
That's nothing you should hear me try to do a Scottish accent it's even worse hahaha.
I could do a review like father Jack I suppose..
Rifle!
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Shoots like feck!
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Drink!
Maybe I better not.
Hi again Dan, we eMailed back and forth about my disabled grandson. Cant get an Alpha, but will look for this one, or the 16a. My question, what do I look for to get the latest model and avoid the MK1's troubles. Cheers.
Hi mate,
I knew that name looked familiar haha. I've actually put a post on the Airgun Forum UK regarding serial numbers of the potentially dodgy M16's and the fixed models. It may be worth searching on there and making a note of the numbers so if you pick one up second hand you'll know if it's a good'un or not.
The AGF is a great place to join too as there's a ton of helpful members on there and the banter is great too.
If buying new you should be fine as the dodgy batch was quite a while ago now and all of our rifles are checked/tested before being released for sale.
Thanks mate and as always if you ever need anything never hesitate to get in touch.
Max 700 fps?? Can to 900fps or 1000fps?
Hello. Try JSB´s 10.34 gr.
I'm welsh, very insulted. Only joking you sounded exactly like me😂
Hahaha thanks Andrew that's the best praise I could hope for mate!
Thought it was single stage
Hi how much please
Accupel fit the mag without pushing in......in 177
That's interesting.. how do they group Phil?
I'll need to test those me thinks. Cheers mate!
@@bigdansairguns83 grouped ok ish... But now I've switched to bid mags....and bought some spare magazines
i own 4 atremis rifles this no 5 im getting it
Hi Phillip.
The Artemis rifles are fantastic and I can guarantee you'll love the M16. It's my personal favourite Artemis at the moment and possibly my favourite PCP that I stock in general.
Give one a shoulder and you'll fall in love I reckon.
Cheers Phillip.
Lmao
I like the rifle except for the magazine. Looks like it was designed by a third grader using odds and ends from his dad's garage.
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WHERE?!
Just kidding haha.
Years of joy was not even close probable around 2 hours....Sadly the artems m16 is garbage, i managed to fire under 200 jsb hades over 2 days of gentle shooting and the trigger horribly malfunctioned i got my money refunded, be warned people there cheap for a reason save up for something better i wish i had. :'(
You must lear to shoot or the Artemis M16 is crap. I can shoot better groups with my HW50 neck-beak spring-gun at 25 meters. My best 5 shot group is the size of 'n .22 pellet.