How we usually react to Zionist accusations of anti Semitism: (18 page long explanation with 6546 sources as to why it's actually not anti Semitism, also here's a Jewish person who agrees with me you see a Jew told me I'm allowed to be against babykilling so please sir please I beg you have mercy) How we should react: "lol shut up babykiller Karen"
Hey BE... I am sorry to ask this@ it shows I am lazy but I lack the acuity that I think that you have. Can you analyse a youtuber and provide your opinion as to his views? I will unsubscribe to a British Youtbe Channel called BlackBeltBarrister.. Initially I thought he would be good for legal advice.. I didn't think of his political positioning. But more recently, I have been wary of what are the topics of his videos. They are no way as extreme as someone like maybe Ben Shapiro for US. But I get concerned of people who are surreptitious.. He posts videos that shows his criticism of Labour which shows he is more negatively biased against the labour party in the uk...this is not necessarily bad in itself but I had a brief look over the history of what videos he had released before Labour got in control here in UK. From the brief overlook of the time before Labour, he has not been critical of the Cons(ervative). It also seems that he has been critical of (prince) Harry or more his wife: Meghan Markle. He provides analysis of the legal situations that surround popular Right wing figures (Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage)..It seems he provides advice that could help those right wing figures (and others that would like to act like them). I am concerned by his 'sneaky right wing' leaning.
Then they'll just call us ignorant and whiney. We need to be better than them and prove that they are wrong. Usually, a good argument will lead to them getting upset and defensive, which will prove our point.
Right!? We keep yelling at them, at the leadership at "outlets" allowed to question leadership. They just let them go! Off the hook! Completely off hook, no accountability...lies...and Blinken spends how much to fake trip to Israel to fake negotiate for the 17th time?? It's literally insulting. They are defying the will of the people. It's criminal.
@@mistermister4525If Hasan responded the way he wanted to, not only would his life be in worse danger than it already is, but he would get insta-banned. And that would be a huge bummer and a giant influence for the truth silenced.
@@jessjess23brooks89 plus, he was friends with him which gives him a bit of a blind spot, outside of him towing the line gently regardless, but even seeing him reacting to ethan in the past few days has been soul sucking. It's just sad to watch in general. So yeah, I'd rather let the other commentators be the ones to lay into ethan. Speaking of which, if no one knows denims, she's been doing a good job responding to ethan's craziness the past month or two, lots of great video reactions. However I think she also just got hit with the same 30 day ban frogan did for being on the hummus panel.
@@thoughtpolice94 Ethan pretends to be a poor victim when in reality he's extremely powerful and was just able to ban several people on twitch using his connections to the media and other powerful sources.
To be fair Muslims do the same exact shit. They support violent conquering of land until it happens to them. Is anyone willing to hear that part? It seems like they aren't.
This reminds me of an anecdote Noam Chomsky had once about speaking at a seminar on race at Harvard : "I gave a talk, approximately along the lines of my remarks above: I said, yes, there was anti-Semitism, and I went through the background, and how it had changed. At the end of the talk, I came up with something I thought was going to be a great punch line, but it fell totally flat. I concluded by saying you no longer read things like the following written by distinguished and respected Harvard professors; then I gave a bunch of actual quotes from people like Michael Walzer, Ruth Wisse, and Martin Peretz -but they had been talking about Arabs, and at this point in the talk I replaced the word 'Arab' in their quotes with 'Jew.' The quotes sounded like they came out of the Nazi archives, about Jews, and there were gasps from the audience: How could Harvard professors ever have done this? And then I said, well, I misled you, those quotes weren't really about Jews, they were about Arabs. And, interestingly, there was a sigh of relief in the audience. I hadn't anticipated this reaction; apparently, as long as extreme racist comments of the kind that sound like Nazis are about Palestinians and Arabs, then it's fine. But if you were to say anything like that about Jews, the place would blow up. I think that's basically the answer to the question about the extent of anti-Semitism." For the people asking, this is an excerpt from "Perilous Power: The Middle East And U.S Foreign Policy", page 201. Chomsky also goes on to talk about waves of weaponized anti-Semitism at universities after a divestment campaign (the context of the seminar in question); this was published in 2007. Nothing changed. You can find it on the internet archive here: archive . org/details/perilouspowermid0000chom_h1g9/mode/2up And on Anna's Archive for the digitized pdf here: annas-archive . org/md5/c34feca8b9393d0b9dbf19bf68b675b3 (pasted the links like this as to not trigger a parsing algorithm of some kind)
I do something similar by modifying those quotes to make them sound like they are from Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars. It is also a good way to circumvent Google's unpredictable filter.
@@pinkmatter8488 Well, for example, whenever I see a pundit gloat about Sinwar, I throw it back at them by taking the quote and replacing "Sinwar" with Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I'm a Jewish person of color and I agree about the exceptionalism. The Hxlxcaust is often considered an incomparable genxcxde when in fact there have been several genxcxdes of similar proportion for other ethnic groups throughout the colonial era, and even just in the 20th century. A major reason it shook the Western world so much and that gave it an exceptional status is simply that the victims were white(ish) Europeans - the fasxism that they created around the global South finally caught up to them. I do disagree though that someone's identity within the oppressor group shouldn't matter. Certainly we shouldn't be platforming Jews over Palxstinians, but there's a reason we need white people to dismantle white suprxmacy, straight people to dismantle heteropatriarchy, abled people to dismantle ableism, etc. It's the sad reality that people who don't share someone's privileged status can be invisible to them. That's why I opened this comment saying that I'm Jewish. Some people (esp those on the fence who could be convinced to leave Zionxsm) often have internalized biases which will cause them to dismiss others' perspectives. I understand that maybe what's being said in the video is that we shouldn't have to leverage the privilege of someone in the in-group to get our point across. But there's just a big gap between how much people should listen to each other and how much they really do.
Another big reason the Holocaust is discussed so much is because America can take credit for helping to stop it so its advantageous to make it sound like the biggest baddest thing to ever happen in history ever while ignoring/downplaying any comparable atrocities that we played a direct part in
I get your point, but I think that what made the Shoah so different from anything else was the systematicity with which it was carried out and the extensive use of modern technology: it was industry, fordism, applied to extermination; there are some beautiful but haunting pages in Grossman "Life and fate" that really made this clear. But just to be clear, I don't think what jews have suffered give Israel any justification for the horrors they are committing, on the contrary they above anyone else should have higher moral standards.
Agreed, I think BE is misreading or thinks of a different intention when ppl say “Israel does not represent all Jews despite them saying they do and anti Zionism does not equal antisemitism, Judaism is not Zionism etc” is more imo about differentiating Jewish ppl as a whole from Zionism as a political settler colonial ideology and a ethno nationalist state project vs a religion and ethnicity of Judaism in order to make sure ppl don’t get duped and conflate the two and consequentially come to the antisemtic conclusion that Israel is a terror state supported by all Jews like some monolithic Zionist force who control the US , the media etc… that’s why I emphasize it at least and not really bc of the underlying assumption ppl have that if all Jews support it and are Zionists that justifies Israel’s existence and atrocities but I guess the actual facts about the variety of beleifs about that in the Jewish population itself also help debunk that flawed belief somewhat but to completely decouple the two concepts in ppls minds is more valuable of a realization than just that not all Jews are bloodthirsty Zionists which I feel should be common sense if we all agree ppl and ethnicities aren’t monolithic in thought but alas that’s not always the case with some dumbasses and the media tends to repeat those myths about Jews and their support of Zionism and Israeli govt
As a Jew, I feel like I have an obligation to bring up my identity whenever it will help grant cover to principled Anti-Israeli / Pro-Palestinian people; but I dont want to contrubute to this jewish exceptionalism either. Regardless, I dont feel like I have an option but to weaponize my identity in this aspect because of the barrage of hallucinated accusations of anti-semetism.
I think it's important, for Palestinians, for you to bring up your identity, not because it's exceptional but because it completely negates the Zionist propaganda,
@@user-vt5js7ql6bfinkelstein's whole schtick on this issue is the fact that he has the °°° card and uses it. I have literally gotten a day ban on youtube before because I cited a finkelstein statement about h8 that makes a comparison to his parents.
Al Jazeera recently made a documentary covering among other things Jewish and Israeli exceptionalism called "Israelism: The awakening of young American Jews". It gives a great look into the propaganda machine of Israel and I highly recommend it for anyone interested in the subject.
can't recommend it enough it never even occurred to me, just due to cultural ignorance, that the 'EDM festival' that was attacked by Hamas might have actually been a perfectly legitimate target until i watched that documentary. because of course that's the kind of 'EDM festival' israel would have very glad i never backed down on refusing to condemn the acts of Palestinian liberation that day
Not even close to the most obvious. Rawanda, Darfur, the Pogroms in Russia, the Arab invasion of the Fertile Crescent, the Ottoman’s genocide against the Armenians, Americas conquest of the Natives, THE HOLOCAUST. The Golden Horde literally anywhere it went.
@@Magnesium-BasedLifeform-i9e hasan isn't living in a 20 million dollar house (Ethans rich on another level) but I also don't feel bad for him, I feel bad for oppressed people who are facing genocide
I think it does help to some extend that Jewish groups align themselves with the pro palestinian cause because it immediately cuts trough the weaponized false anti-semitism accusations. If germany is arresting jewish protesters for being anti semitic that immediately exposes their true agenda. That said the way the media has historically and still is handling any criticism of Israel has forced anyone critiquing them walking on egg shells forcing them to use perfect impossible to misconstrue language, so agreed!
@@derpeth2101 Sure but it makes it harder to manufacture concent. They're losing the public opinion and I can only assume these glaring contradictions help.
@@Robert_Bob_Bobrob I dunno.... Here in the USA the pro-Palestinian Jews and their organizations like "If Not Now" and "Jewish Voices for Peace" the Jews on the Campuses, Naomi Klein and Norman Finkelstein are simply totally memory-holed and disappeared by the media so that virtually all Americans are totally ignorant that pro-Palestine Jews even exist. The Herman-Chomsky consent-manufacturing corporate media propaganda model is working brilliantly right now.
Finally, not a unhinged take. I appreciate the restraint, and measure. It's not always true that "the sweaky wheel gets the grease". Takes both rationality and forwardness to really make a point that sticks.
A confirmation of your thesis: Every time you said the word "jewish" rather than "zionist" or "Israeli", i felt a chill and felt uncomfortable, and then paused, considered what you said, and realized that you were entirely right and had not said anything that could even be misconstrued as antisemtic. As much as i dont like you, you helped me become fervently anti-zionist all the way back in 2022, and i am grateful to you for helping me on my journey to the left.
i think it’s testament to his unwavering consistency and conviction that people can hate him and still appreciate what he does and gain something of substance from him.
I should not have to say, that i am german. It does not change a thing. I did too long nothing, because of my own failings. Well thank you very much for speaking out.
You're still a good man. Btw german collective guilt is such a myth that breaks down at the slightest inspection. For example if blue eyed, caucasian people were suffering in Palestine right now, this "German guilt" thing wouldn't be brought up Germany would condemn it immediately. Its just white supremacy/ colonialism masking itself in the clothing of 'guilt'.
Jewish exceptionalism in the West also goes both ways. They are exceptionaly good and can commit genocide or they are exceptionally bad and must be annexed to their own state. In both most end the same with Jews secluded and Palestinians victimized. How any Jew continues to buy into this narrative will always be beyond me.
I had this moment 25 yrs ago waiting at a traffic light in LA near the Beverly Center and I'm looking through the windows of a fancy Mercedes perpendicular to me at an advertisement for the Holocaust Museum exhibit on a bus stop bench. Then I noticed the homeless guy sleeping on it in rags and that the driver in the Mercedes was a Jewish women in a fur coat with mezuzah earrings and a son in the back with his yarmulke on. Made me question why we were obsessed with people suffering so long ago that were fine today and ignoring people currently suffering.
I'm not even a public speaker with their livelihood in the line yet chicken out of talking about Israel's horrors in the way it deserves when talking to others IRL. Good work here, hopefully we keep seeing a favorable trend in the matter.
Careful not to conflate antiracism with colorblindness. Plus, having support from jewish people does help. It validates your struggle, serves as a reminder to alienate antisemites but not jewish people. And also serves to show that the institutions committing these crimes are distinct from the people they claim to represent, even if they at all times seek to control and use them
I'm sorry but no. Jewish folks are not going to liberate Palestine. We do not need them to "validate our struggle", because our struggle is inherently valid as we are fighting colonialism. This is really gross and decentres Palestinians from their own liberation.
If antizionist Jews want to remove themselves from the umbrella of zionism and Israel that's their own movement and struggle. We are not responsible for that.
You're probably the sharpest person in this platform, always presenting with detail each argument you make, it is awful that you are somewhat unique in that sense, as most people should be in similar position regarding the current situation in Palestine, thanks to do the work of learning and informing the rest of us.
16:46 "I have spoken out about real anti-Semitism on this platform.. in far more effective ways than almost anyone else.. excuse the ego... but it'st true" Me: I hope that there is someone out there that can destroy your ego - - by going beyond your accomplishments. Thank you, for the grind.
i rarely see badempanada putting himself on somewhat the same line as the rest of us in coming up short with serious issues like he did with the beginning of the video. There's something depressingly cathartic about him seemingly beating himself up about the same shit i regularly beat myself up about for once.
I don’t do dumb I’m first comments. But I gotta say I’m enjoying the instant notifications through discord. So give him your money so you too can be first.
It's good practice to never compare a human to an animal in a derogatory way, and really just in general, even when they're terrible. That's not the energy you want in your heart.
its crazy that calling a person dirty and smelly isnt anitsemitic jst because the person who said it is jewish but saying children shudnt die is antisemitic
this video isnt about some inflated sense of self from jewish people, its about jewish people being treated like perpetual victims despite having the highest standard of living amongst any religious group in every western nation- they are obviously successful materially. American exceptionalism is almost the opposite, that americans are the hero of everything and that they are essentially good.
What you're speaking about was actually my first interaction with Israel-Palestine. Some years ago when I was learning about it for the first time in history class, my teacher cautioned me on possibly anti-semitic writing I'd used in an essay - which was shocking to me. It's not that I had any particular inclination to either side - I was a detached 15-year-old with no connection to the place, having never even heard the word "Nakba" - nor did I have any negative opinions on Jews, because I had no opinions on Jews. I'd never met one. I thought of them as nothing more than another religious group, the same as Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or whatever. Semites had never caused me any inconvenience or harm, and I certainly never believed any fascist conspiracy theory about them. I just thought I was simply writing what had happened in that awful calamity in 1948: Jews massacred, pillaged, and looted in a brutal campaign of settler-colonialism. Arabs fought back and did some of the same, I thought I was being even-handed. I suppose 15-year-old me, with his limited understanding of politics and the world, would choose pacifism if forced and oppose Zionism on the claim that Theocracy is wrong. But Israel isn't even that. I can't think of a way to end this. Free Palestine. Thanks for posting this
Ethan's a strange case, at the start of this he was relatively open-minded and well-meaning even though he was very uninformed. But then he took a HUGE far-right turn and went down the fascism rabbit hole and became so hateful and bitter, and he's just completely cooked his brain in the process. It's really sad to see
To be real he was always bad in term of views and politics, most "open minded apolitical" people are and they just conform to the political zeitgeist of their social class
Holy f*ck yt is censoring me trying to say I am against the thing thats happening because a bad man took a shooty thing and unalived my classmates and teachers so i think unalived kids is bad. - this is my 6th attempt to say this and its breaking my PTSD ravaged heart
Hugs and best regard to you in your recovery from the horrible things you have been through. The capitalists and their oppressive takeover of the internet (I am old enough to remember when we really believed that the internet and the www would usher in the end of capitalism) is destroying humanity.
9:21 as an anti-zionist jew, even I've had cases where I'm pressured to remind zionists that I'm Jewish and, therefore, can't be antisemitic. When it should just be "no this isn't antisemitic". In some way it seems like the most reliable way of getting people to pay you any mind and not write you off as something you aren't. IT KINDA BLOWS
Ethan lived in the apartheid and stoped his news show when it would mean reporting on the victims of that apartheid being genocided because he felt bad hearing about it. He put his feelings over his victims. Go watch him and Hila on that old podcast ep talking about her time in the idf and listen for the words “terrorist city” in reference to Ramallah and “did you take IT with you” in reference to the Palestinian Hila was detaining there. The fans want Ethan to adequately cover the genocide in the way it deserves. It’s the least a beneficiary of apartheid could do. And then he could talk about antisemitism but putting that in front of his victims is so bad. A hospital in Lebanon is bombed and he’s talking about hasan when the last time he mentioned a hospital bombing was to say Israel wouldn’t bomb a hospital in gaza. Now there’s no hospitals in gaza and no mention of it from Ethan. Never mind what he said about the Palestinian victims of IDF r*pes. He is deplatforming people talking about gaza for antisemitism when he refuses to talk about his victims like those people are. His Silence doesn’t prove change from him and he can’t recognize that.
We know just as much as you know how much courage it took for you to make such a video. This is the only assertion that remains untouched by literal billions for fear of the consequences. I appreciate the honesty and integrity of this video and I hope that your contribution nudges those that are just itching to speak the truth to overcome their fear and just do so.
This might be the most important video you’ve made. It’s true, as a Jew who speaks honestly about Israel and being antiZionist I have always watched gentiles tense up at my rhetoric. Like they agree with what I’m saying but could never say it out loud themselves. We have to move past that if we’re gonna save the Palestinians.
This decontextualizimg to present an eternal victim you speak of is one of the more direct examples that shows liberal identity politics as a form of race essentialism that fits perfectly within the framework if white supremacy.
Thank you so much for speaking out. You're not being egotistical about your knowledge of these historical events, your stance makes it quite clear that you are much more versed than this platform as a whole. I hope the future is filled with more people like you. We all need it.
In Vietnam, the problem is actually the reverse, I have seen a lot of ill informed Vietnamese who are against Israel action said that “Shitler biggest mistake is that he didn’t remove all of Jews” and other actual anti-Semitic stuff as they conflate Israeli/zionist and Jew as the same, and I blame Zionism for promoting such conflation.
This is, in spite of the disparity in objectively compared to your others, one of the best videos you’ve made. Thank you for calling this spade a spade. You do good work.
It's arguably the strongest example a broader problem. The moment we blurred the line between calling for action and calling for violence we forged another tool of oppression. What should have been a universally uplifting move towards precision of language and enhanced communication instead became a cudgel to beat down discourse itself. For now all we can do is try to avoid being bludgeoned.
It has never been antisemit1c to say that 1srael has never had and will never gain the right to exist. Longtime viewer here. Your principles and courage are unmatched. Love you, BE.
in my country there is no israeli embassy, there is a palestinian one, my country fought agaist israel in the 70's and is a laic country not a islamic one, talking badly agaist the israeli occupationg was a every day thing when i was growing up so i was kind of shocking about the fuss in western media and social media about the massacres of october 7 when happen and the posterior bombing campain, that was simply business as usual to me. A palestinian friend of my family was killed in the 80's by a helicopter attack and only his arm was remainig (that was the only way of identifying him) what was left of his family flee to jordan. He was a doctor by the way to those who only view palestinias as PNA or Hamas fighters. In conclution these massacres are happenig since forever and not knowing this i understand that is a matter of expossure to those events, but looking to the side of the occupation only is a fault of western societies by never looking to the suposedly enemy view of events, this is still happenig to this day, it happen with bassar al assad regime, it happen with gadaffi regime, is happening with Kim jong Un regime etc. I am not saying that those regimes are perfect or anything but every conflict has a reason to be and those reasons are not always what the anglosaxon media say what it is.
I think for me what allows me to be outspoken in my own personal sphere is to just denounce any notion that Israelis are “Semites” because they’re not. Palestinian Christians are Semites, Palestinian Muslims are Semites, Palestinian Jews are Semites as they are indigenous to these lands. Israelis are from the US or some European backwater and are all basically Aryans so anyone who tries to label my denouncement of their Zionist Apartheid existence by calling me an “antisemite” doesn’t effect me because they are wrong and I won’t hold my tongue on it.
WOW.. I was just thinking about this this morning but dindnt get this far in my analysis. 100% in agreement. Thanks for posting - i know this will drive the reactive trolls to you.
Im Jewish, but wasn’t raised Zionist. No one needs my or any other Jews approval/permission to criticize Zionism, Israel or the Israeli government. The Israeli government has worked *very* hard to tie any criticism of the Israeli government to antisemitism. Theyve also worked very hard to make people believe that you have to believe in Zionism in order to be Jewish and I really resent that. Zionism is a far right wing sociopolitical ideology, not a religion. Unfortunately the Israeli government has been very successful with that propaganda.
Appreciate you sir. By far the best and most correct commentator on these topics that show up on my feed. I support you all the way in your mission to speak truthfully about this. You replaced some people I used to watch. Who I used to respect, at least until they came out with some crazy unhinged takes on this awful subject.
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How we usually react to Zionist accusations of anti Semitism: (18 page long explanation with 6546 sources as to why it's actually not anti Semitism, also here's a Jewish person who agrees with me you see a Jew told me I'm allowed to be against babykilling so please sir please I beg you have mercy)
How we should react: "lol shut up babykiller Karen"
Agreed
Hey BE... I am sorry to ask this@ it shows I am lazy but I lack the acuity that I think that you have. Can you analyse a youtuber and provide your opinion as to his views? I will unsubscribe to a British Youtbe Channel called BlackBeltBarrister.. Initially I thought he would be good for legal advice.. I didn't think of his political positioning. But more recently, I have been wary of what are the topics of his videos. They are no way as extreme as someone like maybe Ben Shapiro for US. But I get concerned of people who are surreptitious.. He posts videos that shows his criticism of Labour which shows he is more negatively biased against the labour party in the uk...this is not necessarily bad in itself but I had a brief look over the history of what videos he had released before Labour got in control here in UK. From the brief overlook of the time before Labour, he has not been critical of the Cons(ervative). It also seems that he has been critical of (prince) Harry or more his wife: Meghan Markle. He provides analysis of the legal situations that surround popular Right wing figures (Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage)..It seems he provides advice that could help those right wing figures (and others that would like to act like them). I am concerned by his 'sneaky right wing' leaning.
Then they'll just call us ignorant and whiney. We need to be better than them and prove that they are wrong. Usually, a good argument will lead to them getting upset and defensive, which will prove our point.
Don’t let them call the Jews who support Palestine tokens. Call out their anti sentiment
I call them baby dick vampires for what the mohels do!
Free palestine
BadEmpanada is saying everything I wished other political commentators had the guts to say for a year now
Right!?! Omg
Right!? We keep yelling at them, at the leadership at "outlets" allowed to question leadership. They just let them go! Off the hook! Completely off hook, no accountability...lies...and Blinken spends how much to fake trip to Israel to fake negotiate for the 17th time?? It's literally insulting. They are defying the will of the people. It's criminal.
Hasan piker: ....
@@mistermister4525If Hasan responded the way he wanted to, not only would his life be in worse danger than it already is, but he would get insta-banned. And that would be a huge bummer and a giant influence for the truth silenced.
@@jessjess23brooks89 plus, he was friends with him which gives him a bit of a blind spot, outside of him towing the line gently regardless, but even seeing him reacting to ethan in the past few days has been soul sucking. It's just sad to watch in general. So yeah, I'd rather let the other commentators be the ones to lay into ethan.
Speaking of which, if no one knows denims, she's been doing a good job responding to ethan's craziness the past month or two, lots of great video reactions. However I think she also just got hit with the same 30 day ban frogan did for being on the hummus panel.
"I'm so oppressed that I'll silence all of my critics who claim that I'm not!! >:("
*- Ethan Klein*
"Feels Like He Supports The Hollow Cost..."
@@thoughtpolice94 Ethan pretends to be a poor victim when in reality he's extremely powerful and was just able to ban several people on twitch using his connections to the media and other powerful sources.
To be fair Muslims do the same exact shit. They support violent conquering of land until it happens to them. Is anyone willing to hear that part? It seems like they aren't.
Pretty much his entire existence in a nutshell.
@@gc.96bruh all he did was bring a awareness to it. He’s not pulling strings in the shadows ffs.
This reminds me of an anecdote Noam Chomsky had once about speaking at a seminar on race at Harvard :
"I gave a talk, approximately along the lines of my remarks above: I said, yes, there was anti-Semitism, and I went through the background, and how it had changed. At the end of the talk, I came up with something I thought was going to be a great punch line, but it fell totally flat.
I concluded by saying you no longer read things like the following written by distinguished and respected Harvard professors; then I gave a bunch of actual quotes from people like Michael Walzer, Ruth Wisse, and Martin Peretz -but they had been talking about Arabs, and at this point in the talk I replaced the word 'Arab' in their quotes with 'Jew.' The quotes sounded like they came out of the Nazi archives, about Jews, and there were gasps from the audience: How could Harvard professors ever have done this? And then I said, well, I misled you, those quotes weren't really about Jews, they were about Arabs. And, interestingly, there was a sigh of relief in the audience. I hadn't anticipated this reaction; apparently, as long as extreme racist comments of the kind that sound like Nazis are about Palestinians and Arabs, then it's fine. But if you were to say anything like that about Jews, the place would blow up. I think that's basically the answer to the question about the extent of anti-Semitism."
For the people asking, this is an excerpt from "Perilous Power: The Middle East And U.S Foreign Policy", page 201.
Chomsky also goes on to talk about waves of weaponized anti-Semitism at universities after a divestment campaign (the context of the seminar in question); this was published in 2007. Nothing changed.
You can find it on the internet archive here: archive . org/details/perilouspowermid0000chom_h1g9/mode/2up
And on Anna's Archive for the digitized pdf here: annas-archive . org/md5/c34feca8b9393d0b9dbf19bf68b675b3
(pasted the links like this as to not trigger a parsing algorithm of some kind)
Is there a video or article about that somewhere online? I think more people need to see and hear that.
@@medtle1 seconded!
I do something similar by modifying those quotes to make them sound like they are from Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars. It is also a good way to circumvent Google's unpredictable filter.
@@JohnnyTheWolf-d3p What are you on about exactly
@@pinkmatter8488 Well, for example, whenever I see a pundit gloat about Sinwar, I throw it back at them by taking the quote and replacing "Sinwar" with Obi-Wan Kenobi.
One of the bravest (if not the bravest) RUclipsrs out there. I respect your moral clarity so much.
I'm a Jewish person of color and I agree about the exceptionalism. The Hxlxcaust is often considered an incomparable genxcxde when in fact there have been several genxcxdes of similar proportion for other ethnic groups throughout the colonial era, and even just in the 20th century. A major reason it shook the Western world so much and that gave it an exceptional status is simply that the victims were white(ish) Europeans - the fasxism that they created around the global South finally caught up to them.
I do disagree though that someone's identity within the oppressor group shouldn't matter. Certainly we shouldn't be platforming Jews over Palxstinians, but there's a reason we need white people to dismantle white suprxmacy, straight people to dismantle heteropatriarchy, abled people to dismantle ableism, etc. It's the sad reality that people who don't share someone's privileged status can be invisible to them. That's why I opened this comment saying that I'm Jewish. Some people (esp those on the fence who could be convinced to leave Zionxsm) often have internalized biases which will cause them to dismiss others' perspectives.
I understand that maybe what's being said in the video is that we shouldn't have to leverage the privilege of someone in the in-group to get our point across. But there's just a big gap between how much people should listen to each other and how much they really do.
Another big reason the Holocaust is discussed so much is because America can take credit for helping to stop it so its advantageous to make it sound like the biggest baddest thing to ever happen in history ever while ignoring/downplaying any comparable atrocities that we played a direct part in
I get your point, but I think that what made the Shoah so different from anything else was the systematicity with which it was carried out and the extensive use of modern technology: it was industry, fordism, applied to extermination; there are some beautiful but haunting pages in Grossman "Life and fate" that really made this clear.
But just to be clear, I don't think what jews have suffered give Israel any justification for the horrors they are committing, on the contrary they above anyone else should have higher moral standards.
The Congo, Brazil, America should be viewed with the same disgust
Agreed, I think BE is misreading or thinks of a different intention when ppl say “Israel does not represent all Jews despite them saying they do and anti Zionism does not equal antisemitism, Judaism is not Zionism etc” is more imo about differentiating Jewish ppl as a whole from Zionism as a political settler colonial ideology and a ethno nationalist state project vs a religion and ethnicity of Judaism in order to make sure ppl don’t get duped and conflate the two and consequentially come to the antisemtic conclusion that Israel is a terror state supported by all Jews like some monolithic Zionist force who control the US , the media etc… that’s why I emphasize it at least and not really bc of the underlying assumption ppl have that if all Jews support it and are Zionists that justifies Israel’s existence and atrocities but I guess the actual facts about the variety of beleifs about that in the Jewish population itself also help debunk that flawed belief somewhat but to completely decouple the two concepts in ppls minds is more valuable of a realization than just that not all Jews are bloodthirsty Zionists which I feel should be common sense if we all agree ppl and ethnicities aren’t monolithic in thought but alas that’s not always the case with some dumbasses and the media tends to repeat those myths about Jews and their support of Zionism and Israeli govt
@@tommasobianchi5496which is…. What israelis are doing rn though? Systemic
As a Jew, I feel like I have an obligation to bring up my identity whenever it will help grant cover to principled Anti-Israeli / Pro-Palestinian people; but I dont want to contrubute to this jewish exceptionalism either. Regardless, I dont feel like I have an option but to weaponize my identity in this aspect because of the barrage of hallucinated accusations of anti-semetism.
I think it's important, for Palestinians, for you to bring up your identity, not because it's exceptional but because it completely negates the Zionist propaganda,
he brings up, and i agree, that this is more something to learn from in the future, when we can sit down and analyze.
It doesn’t matter if you’re Jewish yourself, look at what they did to Norman Finkelstein and Jewish Voice For Peace
@@user-vt5js7ql6b I was called a capo from day 1 by the z!0nists. They despise us almost as much as I despise them.
@@user-vt5js7ql6bfinkelstein's whole schtick on this issue is the fact that he has the °°° card and uses it. I have literally gotten a day ban on youtube before because I cited a finkelstein statement about h8 that makes a comparison to his parents.
Al Jazeera recently made a documentary covering among other things Jewish and Israeli exceptionalism called "Israelism: The awakening of young American Jews". It gives a great look into the propaganda machine of Israel and I highly recommend it for anyone interested in the subject.
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can't recommend it enough
it never even occurred to me, just due to cultural ignorance, that the 'EDM festival' that was attacked by Hamas might have actually been a perfectly legitimate target until i watched that documentary. because of course that's the kind of 'EDM festival' israel would have
very glad i never backed down on refusing to condemn the acts of Palestinian liberation that day
Yeah, incredibly helpful for understanding the experience of diaspora Jews in particular
I need people like you for my sanity. THANK YOU
“Your sanity” hm? I question your sanity
@@thelevelbeyondhuman I question your intelligence
@@shoveahamproductions2896 if you look to badempanada for your views i would agree their intelligence is also questionable
Banger video MrEmpanada 🔥
MrEmpanada is his father. This is BadEmpanada.
I’m sorry I couldn’t help myself.
@@PsionicNoMad lol
@@PsionicNoMad Lol! That actually sounds soo cute.
It's absolutely insane that over a year into the most obvious genocide in human history videos like this are still relevant
Not even close to the most obvious. Rawanda, Darfur, the Pogroms in Russia, the Arab invasion of the Fertile Crescent, the Ottoman’s genocide against the Armenians, Americas conquest of the Natives, THE HOLOCAUST. The Golden Horde literally anywhere it went.
BadEmpenada is on one! Kicking heads in these last two days, brother.x
I'm sorry but I just cannot feel bad for someone living in a $20 million home
What about Hasan? (for the record, I think Hasan’s a stand-up guy)
@Magnesium-BasedLifeform-i9e isnt that the guys who made soyjack faced videos about kkkamala in the background?
@@Magnesium-BasedLifeform-i9e who?
@Magnesium-BasedLifeform-i9e a 20 million dollar home isn't a 2m dollar home. Hasan homes his entire family there
@@Magnesium-BasedLifeform-i9e hasan isn't living in a 20 million dollar house (Ethans rich on another level) but I also don't feel bad for him, I feel bad for oppressed people who are facing genocide
"Sure genocide is bad but what about my feelings?" - Ethan Klein
we love & appreciate your frequent outputs these past days, its like the only life raft of sanity in these incredibly troubling times.
this very issue makes zionist colonialism so particularly nasty
they are hiding behind the atrocities committed to them only to become perpetrators themselves
100% chance Ethan has watched these videos.
i hope, and that he's fucking seething about it.
Everyone say together, "Hi, Ethan", because he is definitely also looking at comments so he can ban any H3 members he sees.
I think it does help to some extend that Jewish groups align themselves with the pro palestinian cause because it immediately cuts trough the weaponized false anti-semitism accusations. If germany is arresting jewish protesters for being anti semitic that immediately exposes their true agenda. That said the way the media has historically and still is handling any criticism of Israel has forced anyone critiquing them walking on egg shells forcing them to use perfect impossible to misconstrue language, so agreed!
They just say that those are "self-hating Jews".
@@derpeth2101 Sure but it makes it harder to manufacture concent. They're losing the public opinion and I can only assume these glaring contradictions help.
@@Robert_Bob_Bobrob true
@@Robert_Bob_Bobrob I dunno.... Here in the USA the pro-Palestinian Jews and their organizations like "If Not Now" and "Jewish Voices for Peace" the Jews on the Campuses, Naomi Klein and Norman Finkelstein are simply totally memory-holed and disappeared by the media so that virtually all Americans are totally ignorant that pro-Palestine Jews even exist.
The Herman-Chomsky consent-manufacturing corporate media propaganda model is working brilliantly right now.
You are a principled man and courageous
Finally, not a unhinged take. I appreciate the restraint, and measure. It's not always true that "the sweaky wheel gets the grease". Takes both rationality and forwardness to really make a point that sticks.
Thanks! This was great. I love the energy in this video.
A confirmation of your thesis:
Every time you said the word "jewish" rather than "zionist" or "Israeli", i felt a chill and felt uncomfortable, and then paused, considered what you said, and realized that you were entirely right and had not said anything that could even be misconstrued as antisemtic.
As much as i dont like you, you helped me become fervently anti-zionist all the way back in 2022, and i am grateful to you for helping me on my journey to the left.
"As much as I don't like you [...] I am grateful for your help in my journey to the left."
Pretty much the entire mood of this channel, tbh
i think it’s testament to his unwavering consistency and conviction that people can hate him and still appreciate what he does and gain something of substance from him.
Thank you for this video. I really feel this guilt against speaking out. Especially, because i am german and the heavy indoctrination here.
oooof; i didn’t even consider how awkward it must be to be an anti-zionist blonde hair blue eyed german
I should not have to say, that i am german. It does not change a thing. I did too long nothing, because of my own failings.
Well thank you very much for speaking out.
You're still a good man. Btw german collective guilt is such a myth that breaks down at the slightest inspection. For example if blue eyed, caucasian people were suffering in Palestine right now, this "German guilt" thing wouldn't be brought up Germany would condemn it immediately. Its just white supremacy/ colonialism masking itself in the clothing of 'guilt'.
Exactly the sins of your father aren't your own. You should look at things the way they are not through the lens of a crime you didn't even commit.
Canada is at least as bad as my Canadian-citizen brother is finding out.
You beautifully articulated my exact thoughts. Thank you.
"Jewish exceptionalism is just conducive for western geopolitical interests... to help justify western support of israel" GO OFFFFFF
Jewish exceptionalism in the West also goes both ways. They are exceptionaly good and can commit genocide or they are exceptionally bad and must be annexed to their own state. In both most end the same with Jews secluded and Palestinians victimized. How any Jew continues to buy into this narrative will always be beyond me.
I had this moment 25 yrs ago waiting at a traffic light in LA near the Beverly Center and I'm looking through the windows of a fancy Mercedes perpendicular to me at an advertisement for the Holocaust Museum exhibit on a bus stop bench. Then I noticed the homeless guy sleeping on it in rags and that the driver in the Mercedes was a Jewish women in a fur coat with mezuzah earrings and a son in the back with his yarmulke on. Made me question why we were obsessed with people suffering so long ago that were fine today and ignoring people currently suffering.
I'm not even a public speaker with their livelihood in the line yet chicken out of talking about Israel's horrors in the way it deserves when talking to others IRL. Good work here, hopefully we keep seeing a favorable trend in the matter.
Wow! Dude I am listening to that audio snippet and it is a great addition. Just realized there was not much added visually! Great video nonetheless.
Thank you for the video, BadEmpanada. You give me sanity in this world. Even though it is not easy for you.
Great video. This is why i prefer Badempanada so much over other political commentators.
This video definitely needs to be circulated widely.
Badempanada hits the nail on the head once again.
Being able to use institutions to deal with your personal grievances is an enormous sign of privilege
Careful not to conflate antiracism with colorblindness.
Plus, having support from jewish people does help. It validates your struggle, serves as a reminder to alienate antisemites but not jewish people. And also serves to show that the institutions committing these crimes are distinct from the people they claim to represent, even if they at all times seek to control and use them
I'm sorry but no. Jewish folks are not going to liberate Palestine. We do not need them to "validate our struggle", because our struggle is inherently valid as we are fighting colonialism. This is really gross and decentres Palestinians from their own liberation.
If antizionist Jews want to remove themselves from the umbrella of zionism and Israel that's their own movement and struggle. We are not responsible for that.
Hasan is conceding far too much ground to Ethan's egocentric delusions
This was a very good and important video and you articulated this idea very well. Thank you for making this.
You're probably the sharpest person in this platform, always presenting with detail each argument you make, it is awful that you are somewhat unique in that sense, as most people should be in similar position regarding the current situation in Palestine, thanks to do the work of learning and informing the rest of us.
16:46
"I have spoken out about real anti-Semitism on this platform..
in far more effective ways than almost anyone else..
excuse the ego... but it'st true"
Me: I hope that there is someone out there that can destroy your ego -
- by going beyond your accomplishments.
Thank you,
for the grind.
you’ve been vocal for this for so long. you’re definitely right here
i rarely see badempanada putting himself on somewhat the same line as the rest of us in coming up short with serious issues like he did with the beginning of the video. There's something depressingly cathartic about him seemingly beating himself up about the same shit i regularly beat myself up about for once.
I don’t do dumb I’m first comments. But I gotta say I’m enjoying the instant notifications through discord. So give him your money so you too can be first.
Ethan the snake Klein. 🐍🐍🐍
It's good practice to never compare a human to an animal in a derogatory way, and really just in general, even when they're terrible. That's not the energy you want in your heart.
@@zed739a human is a animal, who cares
Animals are dope, people who become citizens of apartheid states are not
@zed739 Id say i agree. On the other hand, facists act most unhuman so i can see why people would get that feeling
@zed739 yeah, animals deserve better.
its crazy that calling a person dirty and smelly isnt anitsemitic jst because the person who said it is jewish but saying children shudnt die is antisemitic
"They will grow up to be terrioists anyway" actual things Israelis says. Funny how they don't get the irony of themselves
I grew up in Santa Monica. I've been on this perspective, and now the world is catching up. Love you thinking about the implications at 8:45
"Jewish Exceptionalism = American Exceptionalism?" Discuss
Yes it is yes it does. And let's make sure this is a thing that's acknowledged worldwide...Israel and White Zionsm is an amerikkkan creation
like little bro and big bro because that American arrogance goes further back
No.
yep, zionists have learned from the best (colonial west) + they added supremacist religion
this video isnt about some inflated sense of self from jewish people, its about jewish people being treated like perpetual victims despite having the highest standard of living amongst any religious group in every western nation- they are obviously successful materially. American exceptionalism is almost the opposite, that americans are the hero of everything and that they are essentially good.
What you're speaking about was actually my first interaction with Israel-Palestine. Some years ago when I was learning about it for the first time in history class, my teacher cautioned me on possibly anti-semitic writing I'd used in an essay - which was shocking to me. It's not that I had any particular inclination to either side - I was a detached 15-year-old with no connection to the place, having never even heard the word "Nakba" - nor did I have any negative opinions on Jews, because I had no opinions on Jews. I'd never met one. I thought of them as nothing more than another religious group, the same as Christians, or Hindus, or Buddhists, or whatever. Semites had never caused me any inconvenience or harm, and I certainly never believed any fascist conspiracy theory about them. I just thought I was simply writing what had happened in that awful calamity in 1948: Jews massacred, pillaged, and looted in a brutal campaign of settler-colonialism. Arabs fought back and did some of the same, I thought I was being even-handed.
I suppose 15-year-old me, with his limited understanding of politics and the world, would choose pacifism if forced and oppose Zionism on the claim that Theocracy is wrong. But Israel isn't even that.
I can't think of a way to end this. Free Palestine. Thanks for posting this
Another consecutive day of Mr Empanada never missing.
Ethan's a strange case, at the start of this he was relatively open-minded and well-meaning even though he was very uninformed. But then he took a HUGE far-right turn and went down the fascism rabbit hole and became so hateful and bitter, and he's just completely cooked his brain in the process. It's really sad to see
To be real he was always bad in term of views and politics, most "open minded apolitical" people are and they just conform to the political zeitgeist of their social class
Great vídeo!
Holy f*ck yt is censoring me trying to say I am against the thing thats happening because a bad man took a shooty thing and unalived my classmates and teachers so i think unalived kids is bad. - this is my 6th attempt to say this and its breaking my PTSD ravaged heart
I don't know what the criteria they use to judge it seems random
Hugs and best regard to you in your recovery from the horrible things you have been through. The capitalists and their oppressive takeover of the internet (I am old enough to remember when we really believed that the internet and the www would usher in the end of capitalism) is destroying humanity.
I’ve been feeling this way for so long. Thank you.
9:21 as an anti-zionist jew, even I've had cases where I'm pressured to remind zionists that I'm Jewish and, therefore, can't be antisemitic. When it should just be "no this isn't antisemitic". In some way it seems like the most reliable way of getting people to pay you any mind and not write you off as something you aren't. IT KINDA BLOWS
Ethan lived in the apartheid and stoped his news show when it would mean reporting on the victims of that apartheid being genocided because he felt bad hearing about it. He put his feelings over his victims.
Go watch him and Hila on that old podcast ep talking about her time in the idf and listen for the words “terrorist city” in reference to Ramallah and “did you take IT with you” in reference to the Palestinian Hila was detaining there.
The fans want Ethan to adequately cover the genocide in the way it deserves. It’s the least a beneficiary of apartheid could do. And then he could talk about antisemitism but putting that in front of his victims is so bad. A hospital in Lebanon is bombed and he’s talking about hasan when the last time he mentioned a hospital bombing was to say Israel wouldn’t bomb a hospital in gaza. Now there’s no hospitals in gaza and no mention of it from Ethan. Never mind what he said about the Palestinian victims of IDF r*pes. He is deplatforming people talking about gaza for antisemitism when he refuses to talk about his victims like those people are. His Silence doesn’t prove change from him and he can’t recognize that.
Came across your channel yesterday. Your level of research is definitely near the very top.
We know just as much as you know how much courage it took for you to make such a video.
This is the only assertion that remains untouched by literal billions for fear of the consequences.
I appreciate the honesty and integrity of this video and I hope that your contribution nudges those that are just itching to speak the truth to overcome their fear and just do so.
This might be the most important video you’ve made. It’s true, as a Jew who speaks honestly about Israel and being antiZionist I have always watched gentiles tense up at my rhetoric. Like they agree with what I’m saying but could never say it out loud themselves. We have to move past that if we’re gonna save the Palestinians.
Ashamed of nothing and offended by everything. Definition of Zionism!
I consider it more of supremacism than exceptionalism
It’s supremacy in their country but in the rest of the world exceptionalism is more a propos
Exceptionalism is a symptom of supremacism so your right.
@@omnirath it’s also supremacy in America since they control nearly all of our politicians, but I have no idea how it is in other countries.
Exactly
fantastic video, thank you so much for all you do
This decontextualizimg to present an eternal victim you speak of is one of the more direct examples that shows liberal identity politics as a form of race essentialism that fits perfectly within the framework if white supremacy.
Thanks for the moral clarity, it keeps me sane amidst this unbridled state sponsored barbarism ❤
Thank you so much for speaking out. You're not being egotistical about your knowledge of these historical events, your stance makes it quite clear that you are much more versed than this platform as a whole. I hope the future is filled with more people like you. We all need it.
One of the few channels consistently fighting the good fight.
Thank you as always BE, I am just commenting to boost this video as much as I can but also thank you so much
The observation about antisemitic tropes being used against Palestinians is extremely spot on, damn.
BadEmpanda's critical thinking skills are incredible.
You’re right. And you’ve given me a lot to think about.
Solidarity is our weapon. You are doing a great job
I think what you said in this video is something that has been in the backs of our minds for a long time. It needed to be said.
Great video
After this year. There’s a lot of things that I realize are wrong. Our media coverage is complicit. Both parties are complicit. The list goes on.
In Vietnam, the problem is actually the reverse, I have seen a lot of ill informed Vietnamese who are against Israel action said that “Shitler biggest mistake is that he didn’t remove all of Jews” and other actual anti-Semitic stuff as they conflate Israeli/zionist and Jew as the same, and I blame Zionism for promoting such conflation.
Great to stumble across you. This is a really clear and concise take. I appreciate the time you've taken on this.
wow that point about antisemitic tropes being repurposed to arabic people was something that i hadnt thought about
This is, in spite of the disparity in objectively compared to your others, one of the best videos you’ve made. Thank you for calling this spade a spade. You do good work.
Really important video
it depresses me how much pro palestine people held themselves back because of that BS, this is a year later, A YEAR LATER and we still play their game
Yup!! But not me... I've been calling it what it is even before the genocide in Gaza stated.
Maybe you fell for that nonsense, I've been a proud "anti semite" for years.
It's arguably the strongest example a broader problem.
The moment we blurred the line between calling for action and calling for violence we forged another tool of oppression.
What should have been a universally uplifting move towards precision of language and enhanced communication instead became a cudgel to beat down discourse itself.
For now all we can do is try to avoid being bludgeoned.
Thank you.
We don't learn from wrong doings done to us, it only makes us monsters with an excuse to be.
It has never been antisemit1c to say that 1srael has never had and will never gain the right to exist.
Longtime viewer here. Your principles and courage are unmatched. Love you, BE.
Free palestine, the occupier must leave.
very important point to raise awareness
Brave!
in my country there is no israeli embassy, there is a palestinian one, my country fought agaist israel in the 70's and is a laic country not a islamic one, talking badly agaist the israeli occupationg was a every day thing when i was growing up so i was kind of shocking about the fuss in western media and social media about the massacres of october 7 when happen and the posterior bombing campain, that was simply business as usual to me. A palestinian friend of my family was killed in the 80's by a helicopter attack and only his arm was remainig (that was the only way of identifying him) what was left of his family flee to jordan. He was a doctor by the way to those who only view palestinias as PNA or Hamas fighters. In conclution these massacres are happenig since forever and not knowing this i understand that is a matter of expossure to those events, but looking to the side of the occupation only is a fault of western societies by never looking to the suposedly enemy view of events, this is still happenig to this day, it happen with bassar al assad regime, it happen with gadaffi regime, is happening with Kim jong Un regime etc. I am not saying that those regimes are perfect or anything but every conflict has a reason to be and those reasons are not always what the anglosaxon media say what it is.
Well done man.
We all know this but to convince you have to self censor if you aren't going to explain what you mean for half an hour or more.
It means saying "Jewish" instead of "Zionist" or "Israeli"
Criticizing the settler colonial Ethnofascist State of Israel isn't antisemitism but a necessary profilaxy against antisemitism.
It reminds me of the Simpsons episode on the Screamapillar.
Ethan never mentions the Irish and we are feeling a little forgotten.
I think for me what allows me to be outspoken in my own personal sphere is to just denounce any notion that Israelis are “Semites” because they’re not. Palestinian Christians are Semites, Palestinian Muslims are Semites, Palestinian Jews are Semites as they are indigenous to these lands. Israelis are from the US or some European backwater and are all basically Aryans so anyone who tries to label my denouncement of their Zionist Apartheid existence by calling me an “antisemite” doesn’t effect me because they are wrong and I won’t hold my tongue on it.
You can spot an Ashkenazi a mile away tho
A much needed, honest and rational discussion. I thank you.
WOW.. I was just thinking about this this morning but dindnt get this far in my analysis. 100% in agreement. Thanks for posting - i know this will drive the reactive trolls to you.
Im Jewish, but wasn’t raised Zionist. No one needs my or any other Jews approval/permission to criticize Zionism, Israel or the Israeli government. The Israeli government has worked *very* hard to tie any criticism of the Israeli government to antisemitism. Theyve also worked very hard to make people believe that you have to believe in Zionism in order to be Jewish and I really resent that. Zionism is a far right wing sociopolitical ideology, not a religion. Unfortunately the Israeli government has been very successful with that propaganda.
There are Americans who think repression is legitimate
It's also American exceptionalism at work (I haven't watched yet lol sorry if you do actually say this too oop)
We have all failed the Palestinians... white, brown, Christian, Arab.... all of us.
BE don't miss. My boy has talent and uses it for good, and it full.
Appreciate you sir. By far the best and most correct commentator on these topics that show up on my feed. I support you all the way in your mission to speak truthfully about this. You replaced some people I used to watch. Who I used to respect, at least until they came out with some crazy unhinged takes on this awful subject.