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The thing about Armstrong is that, for his incredibly short amount of screen-time, the man has *three* introduction segments. First - his in-character speech on top of Excelsus, second - him still in character and revealing his powers, and then finally third - breaking character and getting real. With every scene we discover a new layer to him, and as such, despite the fact that he's been on screen for like 5 minutes, he feels like a well-established character.
He has one before Exelsus, when you see a recording of him and Sundowner talking to a scientist about *child organs*. In said scene, you don't even get to see his face. Like most of the game, he's operating things behind the scenes, in the shadows. He's mysterious, at least until Raiden meets him and you learn more about him. The fact that he stays in the shadows and in EXELSUS could make the player think that he's a coward, but then he powers up with NANOMACHINES, SON and takes Raiden on with his bare hands. Just goes to show how much a person's opinion of a character can change in four scenes.
I honestly love villains who have a good balance between being Evil and goofy like Eggman and Wily. In my opinion it gives the villain that unpredictable factor.
It's also why Kefka is such an incredibly effective and unforgettable villain, probably the best one out of the entire Final Fantasy franchise. Every other final boss villain of FF tends to take himself or herself way too seriously, but not Kefka. There's always a layer of goofy, unhinged madness to him (even after he wins against the heroes, manages to destroy the world, and ascends to godhood) but there's a undeniable method to his madness. For Kefka, it's nihilism. For Armstrong, it's him trying to burn the entire shitty system down and replace the world order with something new. You have to admire that despite the horrific means to it all.
Goofy yet evil villains are really cool. Part of the reason I liked Drosselmeyer in Princess Tutu, he foiled Rue who was more of a tragic villain perfectly.
@GameKnight Joker is a comicbook villain, though. The closest we ever got to a videogame Joker is Kefka from Final Fantasy 6. And he's WORSE, because unlike Joker, he's not a narcissist who loves making a spectacle out of himself, but a violent nihilist who doesn't care about anyone, not even himself.
I believe what makes a good and bad villain involves around two things: A) The kind of story you're in. B) The villain taking the message of the story to the extremes, that way, the protagonist could relate to the villain in a way and see that they are similar in a way, just with different methods.
Bowser’s a great example of a villain who started out generically evil but later evolved to have humanizing qualities. He genuinely loves and cares about his son, Bowser Jr, and the Koopalings and he wants to keep kidnapping Peach so that he can give Jr. a mother which is a good motivation. He also genuinely cares about his own people and troops and is willing to do anything to save them if they’re in danger and even puts aside his hatred of Mario and his friends if there is another threat that is willing to endanger the lives of his own men.
@ there was also a Koopatrol who left to undergo some self-imposed training and rehab, and he actually encouraged him to keep it up when he met him at Jinx’s dojo.
the mario & luigi rpg's give bowser THE BEST characterization he's ever had in any game ever. in bowser's inside story he's this big tough guy who'll take any challenge you throw at him. he acts like a smartass and yet he's too gullible for his own good. it's such a great character and he absolutely shines
That was one of my favorite lines in any pokemon game, sun and moon had great writing (for pokemon anyways) and even better random npcs like the guy dressed as machamp trying to get women to like him, or the implied beating of guzma as a child from his dad. Scarlet/violet may have a pretty competent overall story, but the individual parts dont stand out as much to me as b/w or s/m
In the case of Armstrong it's both that he's a good villain and has charisma which is partially due to the voice acting. That along with the writing helps make a character who could've easily been a heavy handed slap at American politicians, ends up being one of the most memorable bad guys in Video Games.
@@danjoredd speaking from the perspective of an anarchist, not even that is right. He has a strong belief of "might makes right" and while I too would respect someone for genuinely putting in their all to take control of their own life like he does with Raiden, I wouldn't want that to be the factor that determines quality of life. Anarchism is mostly about challenging systemic things, and while Armstrong does that, he has his own idea of a system based solely on strength he wants to take its place. It's actually super goddamn hard to say what exactly Armstrong's ideology is other than a really vague "probably somewhat right wing, definitely INSANELY libertarian"
@@dappermaverick youtube auto-hid your reply but I saw it. he's most definitely _not_ a nationalist, he hates the USA as it currently is and wants to change it fundamentally
@@paperluigi6132 except for Shadow because Sega’s grip is STUPID tight on him, to the point where Ian is flat out benching him on purpose until Sega loosens their grip and gives him more freedom with Shadow. (This isn’t a knock against Ian btw as a Shadow fan I genuinely can’t blame him for this. Heck most other Sonic writers share his sentiment even.)
@@Ability-King-KK the problem with Shadow right now isn’t overexposure, in fact most of the games he appeared in for like the past decade or so, don’t have him in a major role to play (save for like….forces…and team sonic racing I think). If it were the early and mid 2000’s that would be a different story. Shadow’s problem nowadays is flandered characterization by having his aggressive tendencies and pride get ludicrously exaggerated. The only reason he’s largely getting benched now is because writers are just fed up with the lack of control when they do end up using him.
What I love about Eggman is that he has this entertaining balance of goof and mad genius. It allows him a lot of freedom to do a lot of crazy stuff without it seeming out of character especially when it comes to his machines. This is all tied together with his boisterous ego and charisma. He's very simple but it's really hard to think about when you just enjoy his presence. Even in the 2010's while he wasn't at his best, he was a mile more entertaining than literally everyone else in the cast (thank you Mike Pollock).
I have to argue against Eggman being a good balnce. At all. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make even less sense. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels. And no, Mike Pollock hasn't been that good in the role for years. Eggman in the 2010s SUCKED. Period.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 In reality, I think there was only ever one time Eggman was fully threatening and that was Adventure 2. Adventure had the mincemeat line but other than that his lines weren't anything too special. I guess 06 played him pretty straight but that in turn made him super uninteresting. And let's not forget Heroes where he does absolutely nothing except make the Chaotix do a bunch of dumb missions. I feel like the 2010's writers had a problem with not taking Eggman's actions as seriously as they should. The dude sucked aliens of their power source in order to build a mind control ray, sucked the life out of a planet to charge his mechs, took over the world and erased time and space with so far the only powerful deity he could actually control. That's big time villain work and it's a shame it wasn't taken as seriously as it should. Speaking of seriousness, like I said while I think he took steps back in the 2010's he's still better than 90% percent of the cast in the fact that I personally still find him quite charming (ex. The intercom messages in Colours). I feel like while Mike can occaisionally struggle the threatning side (which I do think he can do since he's done it in the past) he does still make the character entertaining with the writing he's given.
@@castform7 I'm not talking only about lines. I mean actions too. In SA1, he harnessed an eldritch monstruosity by feeding it Chaos Emeralds. He had a Star Destroyer-sized airship. He almost nuked Station Square. He was just utterly boring in 06, all he did was a wild goose chase for Elise against Sonic. I can sorta agree with your reasoning as on surface level, these should be despicable acts of great magnitude, but instead, Colors treats him like an incompetent moron with no self respect, which in turn, makes him ever capable of capturing and harvesting Wisps unbelievable. Thing is, IDGAF about the Wisps, because they suck as a gimmick and aren't interesting from a lore perspective, they're just a lousy replacement for Flickies. Even the mind control ray plot falls apart because he failed to notice a robot arm was stuck in it. Don't even bring up SLW, that whole Extractor BS was so goddamn stupid. How can you take him seriously : he reverts back to old Badniks for no reason, he builds this extractor that sucks the world energy.....to power up some crappy mech, and he hires a bunch of Koopalings knock-offs as labour force. I can't even wrap my head over how STUPID this is. Generations also falls apart, because there's no plot or stakes. Eggman isn't really re-writing history, he just froze random locations in the middle of a white void and done nothing with them. And in the end, he's still treated like a pathetic punchbag. No, I don't find him "charming" because he's infuriatingly stupid and gets picked on by literally everyone, even when he comes off as the most sane guy around in SLW. And no, the PA announcements in Colors were unfunny cringe. I don't like Mike Pollock anymore. I used to, still like his performance in Unleashed a lot, but now he's just phoning it in so badly, he's just talking in his normal voice in Frontiers.
Eggman in the comics is pretty cool. One of my favourites is a bonechilling sequence where Eggman is operating on one of his commanders who had a "work place incident" that left her mortally wounded. So anyway she wakes up halfway through the operation and eggman is just merrily rearanging her guts while talking to her with this manic grin. He praises her for trying to mindcontroll her platoon to serve her and her alone, saying that he appreciates the underhandedness and he will let her keep the mind controll chip that she implanted in herself. He then gleefully shows her the explosives he is going to inplant in her and notes that should she ever betray him there will be some festiv fireworks. As Eggman finishes up the commander is quite confused as to why Eggman went to all the trouble of saving her even though he knows she tried to doublecross him. Eggman responds that that is all just part of the game. The game that he plays with all his commanders. For Eggman knows that his commanders are all scum that are only in it for themselves and would betray him the first chance they get. But until they get that chance they will try their best to make the Eggman empire succeed since they ultimatly plan to take it for themselves. So Eggman is basically always dangeling a carrot in front of his commanders to keep them in line while also making sure that it is just out of reach.
I feel like Lysandre's execution and reception is why I think we've had a departure from villain Teams like Rocket or Galactic and started have more Team Skulls at the forefront. Personally I'd love to see a return to the old style. I myself had the idea of being apart of a gang like Team Skull and the plot is basically Team Skull vs Team Rocket. Kinda like Pokemon Colosseum except Wes decided to hang out with Guzma.
I don't get why people say Lysandre has "bad execution" when Giovanni, Archie, Maxie, and i'd argue Cyrus are insanely generic and bare mininum take over/end the world style villains in both concept AND execution
I sort of agree. Giovanni doesn't really want world domination. He is a really powerful mafia boss and is just insanely greedy. Archie and Maxie are misguided and thought that what they were doing would save the world but they were actually dooming it. And Cyrus actually just wants to be left alone and hates the unpredictability of life that comes from things like emotions. So he takes it to an insane extreme which is why he settles into the distortion world, where there is nothing to bother him. Although a lot of this isn't told very well through the story.
Hot take…..I really like the ‘evil’ teams that are just a bunch of weirdos that aren’t really evil but do bad stuff for a good cause. Skull are a bunch of dorks that want to be taken seriously but are far too goofy, but to each other are super supportive and caring. Yell are a bunch of crazed football hooligans that simp for their team (that one scene of them yelling at a snake to sleep better and telling you off cause you might wake it up is gold.)
What I want for a future Pokémon game is for there to be two “teams” like in OR/AS and the version you pick decides what side you’re on. Your friends in one version would be your enemies in another. That would really give a great opportunity to flesh out not just the Villains as you rise up the ranks
The one that truly terrified me with his absolute malice is Porky in Mother 3... literally EVERYTHING about him is unnerving in a way... and that for a Nintendo game...
So a creepy old man-child who has an obsession over capitalism, created an army of nazi pigs, has indirectly murdered people and doesn't care about it, has created freaky chimera made from innocent animals and a human, has also brainwashed nearly the entire population of the island to move to his distopian tourist trap (new pork city) to live out there "last moments" so the pig headed scumbag can pull out the last needle so he can outlive everyone, all while his only motive was just sheer boredom, this guy is pure evil personified no wonder the game never got localised
He's a kid at heart. In the WORST possible way. He's a kid who never knew the slightest trace of love, only really shown anger and controlling behaviour, at heart, and has been around like that with these problems festering and growing for so long he can't even remotely remember how long it's been anymore and it's hard to even imagine seeing any humanity left in him. A big, narcissistic, sociopathic, immortal manchild who never got the chance as a kid to learn to care about people
Villains are great because they’re often the driving force of a story. If the villain is good, the story benefits from it. They can also be some of the most interesting characters because of why they do what they do or because of what they’ve done. Villains are often some of my favorite characters because of this and seeing the hero clash with them not just physically but ideologically is very interesting
I actually have a deep soft-spot for XY and especially Lysandre. His is a very tragic figure who would have become very iconic if he was in any franchise except for Pokemon and did not suffer from such poor writing. His introduction is infamous for his obvious villainy, which later overshadowed his genuinely sympathetic motive. I think that you were even lighter on Team Flare than you could have been, for this was the most harmless and comedic team before Team Skull, possibly even moreso with how little the grunts took themselves seriously. In the end, I was wondering how many of them actually knew about Lysandre's plan and were not just in a get-rich-quick scheme. Speaking of Lysandre's plan, the core issue with it is that it falls apart because he and the player live in a world where people regularly give away valuable items and are constantly encouraging strangers. I can not see this world falling into poverty and strife. Yes, there are some minor allusions to wealth inequality in Kalos, but it is just some punks in Lumious and a few maids and butlers in Perfume Palace and the Battle Chateau. Again, I deeply love Lysandre in concept as a disillusioned madman but think that everything was working against him.
In a way, he's similar to Kronika from 'Mortal Kombat 11'; great as a *concept* of a villain that would contrast the previous major antagonists, but ultimately had *far* too little substance for the audience to truly get engaged with the character and their motivations.
you could say the same about chairman rose. i always found him and lysandre to be kind of similar in the sense that they would have both benefitted from being in a different game with better writing if swshs world, characters and pacing were better fleshed out we would actually have an idea on why rose's motives and actions. i'm not saying there was no motive at all, there was, it's just not very apparent at all until you look into it yourself, which i know would turn many people away. so many people hate him over misconceptions because they didn't understand him the first time they played (and knowing swsh, they wouldn't replay)
3:30 important detail on Ghetsis, he never gave a flying fk about the feelings of pokemon, he just used that as an excuse to hire people that genuinely wanted to do good to lower the regions defenses by having them release all their mons. His ace in bw2 is a hydreigon with maxed out frustration
What I want for a future Pokémon game is for there to be two “teams” like in OR/AS and the version you pick decides what side you’re on. Your friends in one version would be your enemies in another. That would really give a great opportunity to flesh out the Villains as you rise up the ranks
I have to argue against Eggman being a good example. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
Honestly Eggman’s whole dad arc in Frontiers really goes to show just how versatile a character he is because by now he’s been taken in so many directions. He’s been a goofy mustache twirler in the classic games and some of the modern ones, he’s been a serious legitimate threat in most of the adventure and dark age titles and even the movies, he’s GENUINELY TERRIFYING in SATAM and the Archie Comics (well, Eggman 2 specifically anyway), and now in Frontiers and some of the IDW Comics he’s more human than ever. Eggman might not be my favorite Sonic antagonist per say (that Honor is still a toss up between Metal Sonic and Merlina…also the End can be cool if they bring it back in future games like it’s monologue implies), but Eggman is so beloved because he’s a character thats a jack of all trades and is one of the rare cases where he’s master of…well, all of them.
Jack of all trades master of all seems fitting I mean how many degrees do you even need to be able to do Half the shit he does, he knows how to turn Live Animals into power sources, Man has created Multiple Massive Space stations, he can also create really Advanced AI etc.
@@hayond656 I was using that analogy in regards to the directions one can take with eggman as a character in writing. He’s been cartoony, he’s been monstrous, he’s been both, and now with Frontiers he’s been humanized.
@@SharpestSniper99 I don't see what's so genius about Frontiers. He doesn't do JACK for the entire game but grumble and whine over being stuck in Cyberspace. And no, the "whole dad arc" does not work because we aren't given enough material to believe this familial bond he's gotten for Sage, as again, he just whines to her about being stuck. And no, some audio logs where he says outloud how much he cares for her don't count either. Show, don't tell. And overall, he went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck.
I was actually expecting you to do Hades from Kid Icarus Uprising (one of my favorite games). Such an over the top character that I love as a villain is possibly one of my favorite versions of a man behind the curtain. Literally, tears away the “end credits”
I have to argue against Eggman being a good example. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 do u honestly enjoy enjoy copy pasting this extremely hyperbolic "opinion" under every comment about eggman? Even reading the whole thing sounds a bit nonsense
I would love to hear about your opinion on the silly “I love evil and good is yucky” villains. The Doofenshmirtz and Team Rockets (Jessie, James and Meowth) of the world!
I think Dr. Weil from the Mega Man Zero series is a great example of how diabolical a villain can be. He's not super complex in his overall drive, but his intelligence, ruthlessness, and overarching presence over the entire story makes him arguably the best antagonist in the entire Mega Man franchise.
Dude massacred 80% of humanity before the games even started, and then like an extra 16% in Zero 4, also killing pretty much all plant life Dude is one fucked up piece of shit
Weil and the other 2 from the sage trio from Zx, Zx advent are similar, but those 2 sages were smarter than weil, they got public opinion on their side most of time.
@@gatst7680 he ruled with fear after mmz2 events, everyone feared him, like neigi and her group they fled from neo acadia because of weil's opressive rule.
Except it's so lazily and pathetically executed. He spends most of Frontiers grumbling over being trapped in cyberspace, NOTHING suggests he's getting all fuzzy wuzzy about Sage except we are being told about it in those audiologs. Sage herself isn't an interesting character enough to warrant all this "muh feelz" bs. And where does this "acting like a father towards metal" come from ? Metal Sonic hasn't been in the main games since Heroes, and he revolted against him. Are you that clueless.
@@yrooxrksvi7142kamen literally showed a panned from the idw comics of eggman acting like a proud father (for lack of a better term) even if it was played for comedy. And WHO WOULDNT be grumpy if they were trapped in a pocket dimension with no way out and basically nothing to do. Also being a proud father doesn’t mean acting all “fuzzy wuzzy” and I’m pretty sure engineering an A.I and letting it convince you to JOIN YOUR LITERAL OPP IS A SIGN OF ATTRACTION (and the audio logs again show how eggman views sage) get your head out your own ass and stfu
How sage is written doesn’t even matter to the whole argument we’re mainly talking about eggman and her’s relationship, her flaws as a character don’t take away from the original argument
@@_sindrus. And that's promptly rejected down the flush because IDW Sonic is furry trash. Nowhere has been ever shown that Eggman is proud for Metal, in fact, he pretty much threw him away after he betrayed him in Heroes. "And WHO WOULDNT be grumpy if they were trapped in a pocket dimension with no way out and basically nothing to do." So you're okay with him doing absolutely nothing that matters to the plot except whining in a corner ? Typical Sonic fans standards lol And no, being told outloud how much he has the fee fees for a machine he made doesn't change the fact that it's badly written, because there's not enough to show why he adores her and she adores him. There's a thing called "Show, don't tell".
@@_sindrus. "How sage is written doesn’t even matter to the whole argument we’re mainly talking about eggman and her’s relationship, her flaws as a character don’t take away from the original argument" It DOES matter, because you, Kamen and Flynn pretend that it "humanizes" Eggman, when it just does not work. At all. He doesn't do anything in the game. His only interactions with her are bland exposition or wanting out of Cyberspace. And she doesn't have anything going for to justify this "bond".
BW Megatron is really a awesome charismatic and cunning villain. The way BW Megs plans and achieved his goals are just some big brain energy and he managed to successfully conquered Cybertron, something that G1 Megs couldn't.
Also the sass, like after he explains why keep a Antidote to a poison after he already poisoned his enemy "A bargaining chip must always remain in play until the end of the game" "Why do you always talk with youself?" "I simply enjoy inteligent conversation"
I always saw Sonic more like the good/cool aspects of humanity rather than nature, because of his love of rock and roll, chill dogs, skate and grinding, cool vehicles, etc. That's why I always liked him, he proved you don't need to give up any of that stuff to not be robotnick.
Much like Sonic as a whole, Eggman went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 uh, that was just for the adventure games, I still think he's at his worst in Heroes goofy wise. And he had to be Nerfed in Shadow for the other factions. I think all he did as far as being bad was steal rings and kidnap Cream and Cheese that game. Heck Lost World Egg man was more evil and cunning then in Heroes or Shadow, no idea why he only started getting crap in Unleashed when he actually improved from the last 2 games. Also I personally prefer Sonic and Egg man treating each other as equals like Egg man explained his thoughts on him to Sage. While Satam was scaryer, Sonic felt totally out of place to me, like if Gex was in Avatar. Also just because I see Sonic as the Cool side of humanity rather than the side of nature is only my head cannon, so don't go annoying people with it if they disagree.
@@MrGamernova I too think the decline planted its seeds in Heroes by sidelining him for the Metal Sonic twist, and what little he did, he was just a goofball. Him being "nerfed" in ShTH in favor of other factions only makes the game more crap as it is. In 06, he was boring and spent the game chasing after Elise against Sonic. But you can't tell me with a straight face that he was "more evil and cunning" in SLW. He was a goddamn joke, an incompetent moron bullied left and right by everyone, even when he was the only one making sense. And how exactly is he cunning ? For faking his death and jump onto the most USELESS mech he's ever built ? And no, in Unleashed he was good only in two scenes : the intro and the Egg Dragoon cutscene. He was a bumbling idiot there too, getting a rock thrown in his face by a kid, getting dissed left and right by Orbot, gobsmacked by Dark Gaia. "I personally prefer Sonic and Egg man treating each other as equals like Egg man explained his thoughts on him to Sage." So......The way they acted back in the Adventure games ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Sorry but did you see how stupid he was in his boss fights in Shadow? At least he didn't toss Sonic free guns in Lost world. I'll gladly take the lost world mech over his egg strider death trap any day. Yeah, still miles better than owing the chaotics in his huge fleet he could have paid back to them with, but no just cartoon sneak away from them... yeah I know the ending to Unleashed is the same but at least he's the one chasing there.
@@MrGamernova Who gives AF about ShTH ? Everyone knows it sucks. Did you see how IDIOTIC his plan in SLW was ? He switches back to old style Badniks despite being woefully outdated, he sets up a base with an Extractor that syphon the world's energy and he "hires" a bunch of Koopalings knock-offs to be.....his "bodyguards" ? Lackeys ? Slaves ??? What even the Extractor was meant to power ? A WORTHLESS mech that operates just like the Nega Wisp Armor ? No matter how much you can cry over either Heroes or ShTH , SLW will always be worse. Period.
The type of villain I would love to see you handle is the rising villain. A villain that progress just or maybe even faster then the hero itself. Think of Kefka of FF6. At the start he looks more like joke character. But as the story progresses he becomes more and more dangerous.
Would Dimentio from Super Paper Mario apply to this type of villain? Seeing as he starts out as one of the main villain's lackees only to become the final boss through all kinds of schemes.
Would definitely love a follow up to this. One surprisingly decent villain is The Dark Lord from Miitopia *!!SPOILERS AHEAD!!* I definitely recommend playing the game as to experience everything for the first time. . . . . . . The Dark Lord starts off the game as your typical bad guy doing bad guy things, in this case stealing faces and causing mischief. Aside from that you don’t really learn much about them. As you travel thru the world of Miitopia you run into all sorts of odd characters (all which you can assign the roles of) with one reoccurring one being the Great Sage, a powerful wizard who saves your butt countless times. Once you do get to the Dark Lords Castle and defeat him you’d think the game is over but…Nope! Turns out this small wisp looking creature was just possessing some nobody worker and attempts to posses you only for the Great Sage to intervene and get possess themselves to become the Darker Lord (very original name). Regardless though it definitely intrigues you to find out what this creature is. You explore more of Miitopia till you’re able to face the Darker Lord. Once defeated again you learn the backstory of the creature known as the Dark Curse. The Dark Curse was once an ordinary Mii. Nobody payed attention to him and he became very lonely leaving him to conclude it was his generic face that was the problem so he got rid of it. Without a face though how could he continue living? They faded from existence leaving only their soul filled with hate and envy. It’s unclear how many people the Curse affected but eventually it did posses an innocent factory worker kicking off the events of the game. Surprisingly well written for a game that’s fairly less known. It definitely gives more humanity to the Curse. Regardless the player from here has a choice to either destroy the Dark Curse ending it once and for all or free the Curse and give it a new body and face in hopes to redeem it. The choice is yours to make
What i like about Armstrong is that when you actually listen to the codec he is mentioned from even file-01, he is pulling the strings from the start and you don't even realize it...
I think one of my favorite villains in video games is Dr. Weil from Mega Man Zero 3 & 4. He’s one of the better, if not best, villain from the Mega Man franchise. First, he has the same desire for peace and the end of Mavericks. However, he considers the way to achieve it is to take free will away from reploids. This would obviously work, but would result in every reploid being Weil’s slave. He does all of this because he reveals that he is a human, but was put in a body that would keep him alive forever as punishment for causing a massive war that wiped out 60% of all reploids and 40% of all humans. Weil creates a conflict of ideals between freedom and dictatorship. He wants to rule Neo Arcadia in order to create peace. A fascinating villain that I wasn’t expecting from a Mega Man game.
Albert Wesker from RE is still one of my favorite villains. Intimidating, ruthless, and an absolute ham thanks to his voice actor. Though Luca Blight is also great. Also love even after you beat him he still gloats as he dies. Reminding you of how many died just to kill him
I'd love to see a video about Hisoka and villains like him. He's scary in a very personal way, like he's not a threat to society at large but he is very dangerous to the protagonists.
LYSANDEROTH! Also, I find villains who have a good point and/or just cause to be the most fascinating. You get a lot of them in Batman: Animated series just off the top of my head. Perhaps a whole thing on that series. Poison Ivy and Clayface specifically had two stand out episodes.
Yu Yevon was not a villain, he was victim of being stuck in a loop where he infinitely summons, this is why sin was eternal because Yu yevon would corrupt any Aeon that defeated it and used it to re-summon Sin
I was pleasantly surprised by the mid-game P5 villains, especially Kaneshiro. Before playing Royal myself, I was only familiar with him for his boss fight in vanilla, which was heavily comedic. When I actually got to his arc, it was genuinely chilling how effective he was at keeping a low profile, how he managed to turn an ambush into a chance to blackmail the Phantom Thieves and how he was the first target to distort an entire city in his cognitive world. Even as someone who knew how the fight would end up, he kept me on the edge of my seat.
I ain't gonna lie when I meet the guy, my blood boiled. No other villain got me that pissed off yet so scared for the Phantom Thieves. Most of the villains in P5 have some sort of public mask to keep up. But Kaneshiro could've killed them and it wouldn't have phased him a bit. But being the pinnacle of greed that he is, he instead used them to fill his pockets even further
Shadow Kaneshiro was scary for his power of money and it's ability to manipulate peoples for his own sake but in reality he's pathetic... he without money is nothing, and his boss fight was annoying and funny at the same time. For me, the only good part of Kaneshiro's arc is the awakening of Makoto and 'that' line that comes after. I think Futaba's arc was better than Kaneshiro's, she's not an evil girl but she was manipulated by others and she wants to die because she think she's the one who killed her mother.
@@connorharnage6697 Not even Kamoshida pissed you off more than him? Man Kamoshida is probably the most hateable villain ever, but i get with Kamoshida too I only wish Shido was better, he had a chance to be iconic but he ended up being one of the weakest (but good) villains of P5
@@renren47618 To be fair, being a lesser villain by P5 standards is still great. And yeah Kamoshida pissed me off but also Kamoshida wouldn't kill them. Kaneshiro really could have if he didn't want to exploit them. I think the feeling of powerlessness on that encounter contributed to me being more pissed off
Bowser is definitely one of my favorite villains in gaming. Coming from the Mario series, you wouldn’t expect him to have as much character depth as he actually does. He’s not only a power hungry villain, but he’s also a loving father and genuinely cares for his minions (except in the latest Mario + Rabbids game where he calls them imbeciles). I mean, the dude calls his son while he’s on vacation just to make sure his son is doing alright he’s at home alone. Plus, he’s just fun watch on screen and I can’t wait to see what the movie does with him.
One of my favorite villains that no one seems to talk about is Gongora from Lost Odyssey. He starts out as just an advisory figure to a kingdom's monarchy but as the game goes on you get exposed to how much of a manipulative and powerful threat he is. Like Seymour Guado, Gongora is a presence throughout the game and becomes more hammy with each appearance, almost to the extent of Senator Armstrong. Add to that the fact that he's immortal and you are left wondering how you are supposed to even defeat him, until the very end of the game.
Oh, god, Monika. The issue isn't so much her as much as it is how she's portrayed by the fandom of DDLC, which frequently attribute yandere tendencies to her because the actions she takes in the game are similar to the way those tend to act. I actually really like the unique situation she finds herself in as a character and how that influences her actions despite her being, at her core, a pretty average human person. More than once I've imagined what it could have been like I could actually respond to her during the "Just Monika" section of the game, but AI conversation bots aren't to the point where that would be satisfying or interesting, and I'm convinced that as soon as they do get to that point they'll be as potentially dangerous as actual human people, sooooo...
Ehhhh, I don't know about average. I doubt most people would erase almost all of reality on a whim just to force someone you'll never really meet into a staring contest
@@uncroppedsoop Perhaps not, but I'm sure realizing the reality one lives in is simply a dating sim visual novel that can be changed completely by learning to code makes such a decision at least somewhat more likely.
My favorite villain is Malos in Xenoblade 2. He's just the right mix of hammy/funny, threatening and actual depth. He'd be carrying the whole cast of villains if they weren't already good. I find it odd that you had spoiler warnings for Xenoblade 2 but didn't talk about it (directly), only having some no-context clips without sound and one example of Malos bringing the ham. Lysenderoth.
Except it doesn't work that way. He spends all Frontiers whing and grumbling about being trapped to Sage, NOTHING suggests he's got all fuzzy wuzzy about her except those meaningless audiologs. And you just fell for it simply because it touches your fee fees lol
Dangit, I thought you were gonna bring up Jin or Malos due to the spoiler tag. I love Malos and Jin as villains, because both Jin and Malos start off as "evil for the sake of evil" but Jin gets an entire arc where he is humanized and shown as a broken man who has lost everything he held dear, unable to even die because the last thing he has from the person he cherished the most is his memories of her, who turned to the goal of destruction out of desperation. But Malos? He wants to blow up the world. Heck, there's even an off screen ark where he learns from his initial defeat and gathers a team of people he trusts and works with them under the name of the continent he tried to take over, and the place Jin was most beloved in. Malos is a mustache twirler who saw that there was more to life, and now wants to know why people he has come to care for have to suffer, and destroy the world so they don't have to live under a oppressive system as Blades. The prequel, Torna: the Golden Country, adds to the elements of showing how the world has been broken and is basically 20 hours in the head of one the main villains.
YES YES YES!! More villain videos please. Edit: I forgot to comment about a Villain I like and I would love to give Handsome Jack some attention. Not only is he very entertaining but he also has some complexity to him like his love for his daughter and the fact that he thinks he’s the hero of the story. Not only does this man has his own daughter hooked up to a machine to keep her “safe” but this man also told a funny story about how he used a spoon to scoop out a man’s eyes while his family is screaming. There’s a lot of villains that think that their the good guys of the story but handsome Jack I think was done very well.
My favourite line from Handsome Jack was in the mission where you destroy the statues in his city and he says "Oh, come on! What's wrong with that statue? I'm holding a baby! You know what a baby is, right? Those pink squishy things you savages eat before you go to sleep in your own filth?"
Honestly, as someone who has gotten a decent amount of good reviews for script doctoring and playing around with Fanfiction a good villain comes down to what makes sense in your story. I've always treated an antagonist as someone who is just a person, one albiet with motive, drive, and threat, but someone who is doing something for a reason they believe in more than just insanity or "that's just the way they are". My personal goal when writing a villain is to drive the plot forward while asking questions about the character, and eventually ask the question of, "Are they redeemable?" If I have made narrative sense, drove the plot forward, and have a setup for their own story past the protagonist I personally believe I wrote a good villain. That of course is not the end all be all, but I'm not good at writing mental illness as a character trait or straight evil. There are very phenomenal writers who can do that, but it's not in my tool box.
Lysandre was better in the anime. Him being formally a good person who became disillusioned with humanity after his charity and compassion is instead of being met with thanks but sheer greed really is understandable. At it wasn't just him, but his whole team who were there to witness the greed of the just your average person. So all of Team Flare was disillusioned and onbaord with what thier boss was planning.
The Xenoblade 2 Villain Trifecta of Jin, Malos and Amalthus are one of my favorites. Malos and Amalthus especially.Would love to hear your thoughts about them.
i am glad the new sonic game gave eggman some of his personality back instead of being a generic bad guy like he was in the last few games. Still wonder what he thinks about shadow technically being his uncle tho
Uhhhh What "some of his personality" are you talking about ? He doesn't do anything for the entirety of Forces except whining about being trapped in Cyberspace. And no, the last few games portrayed him as a goofy idiot that no one respects. Clearly you never played a Sonic game before. Also, this sappy "father/daughter" bs with Sage doesn't work, because NOTHING in the game suggests that outside of those audiologs.
I hope you get to talk about Akira Nishkijama from Yakuza 0 and Kiwami he is a really great villain and it would be really great to hear your thoughts about him.
It'll take some time, but you should go through final fantasy 14 and talk about the villains there, from the main story and even villains from the side quest content that's post shadowbringers. Villains from media other than games is also a swell idea! Hope you get those 10k likes!
A villain I’ve always appreciated was Dr. Neo Cortex from the Crash Bandicoot franchise. Being an obvious parody of Dr. Eggman, he started off as a stereotypical mad scientist. But over the course of Crash 1, 2, 3, and 4, he started to get less and less enthusiastic to the point where he doesn’t wanna fight anymore at the end of Crash 3 and flat out gives up at the end of Crash 4. It’s cool to see that Cortex just wants to live a relaxing life and not stay in the same cycle of planning, enacting, getting thwarted, and repeating. Again, not the most creative villain when compared to other franchises, but still narratively better than literally every other Crash Bandicoot character, despite even the massive plot holes of Crash 4.
I can't remember a lot of deep villains on the top of my head, but I can recall plenty of funny villains: Bowser, Dedede, Zomboss, Whisped Cream, Louie, and those are from games I've played. All of these guys left an impression I'll never forget even if they're one note.
Eggman and Bowser just being good dads while having a respect and undying hatred for their rivals are some of the best parts of their characters. Legit, Bowser can easily go from helping Mario for the 'great of good', but it's mainly cause he's the top dog and no one's going to show him up. He's a very simple tough guy, but boy does he play it well. As for video ideas, sadly going to have to pull you back into the world of RWBY for a comparison of villains... And an anti-hero. Jin (Xenoblade 2), Adam (RWBY) and Scar (Fullmetal Alchemist). Mainly cause, I feel, Adam is basically Jin and Scar but worse. Up to you though. Also Lysanderoth basically has the same motives of Seymour.
It's interesting to think that Eggman started as a drawing of Teddy Roosevelt. Eggman is basically the opposite of him, while still being as extreme in action. I have a feeling that his love of Sage is a bit of Teddy shining thru. If I recall, the loss of his children is what finally brought him low.
Honestly, Eggman went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I think it's because ever since Sonic moved to 3d, Eggman no longer become the final boss, expect for Lost World. The other problem is that Sonic games are no longer allowed to have a hight budget so Eggman being threatening is pointless. Why Sega using the extra money to buy other companies.
I tend to like morally ambiguous antagonists that create a good opposition to the protagonists’ point of view. They actively challenge each others’ own views and motives, and might make the player more likely to question the points of view presented to them. A great example of this is Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles, who was a great foil to Shulk. To each other, they were evil incarnate, had very similar motives and end goals, but it was who surrounded them that made the difference. Shulk wanted to take out revenge on Mechonis, and the Machina/Mechon for what they did to the colonies and Fiora, and Egil wanted to take out revenge on Bionis and the Homs/Nopon/High Entia for what had happened to his own people, as well as being distraught from the betrayal of Arglas. The difference is, Shulk was surrounded by friends who supported him and had his views actively challenged by those such as Fiora, and finding out that the faced Mechon were still Homs inside, and the question of if revenge and killing the Mechon was truly the way to end the conflict. Egil on the other hand, did not have the same circumstances, he was not surrounded by those who supported and challenged him the same way Shulk was with those such as Fiora and Reyn, leaving him to further drive himself into madness as a disciple of Meyneth, and literally taking over Mechonis, his thirst for revenge and his hatred consumed him as a result. Shulk eventually thought that their had to be another way, and that the cycle of revenge and spilling blood was not the way out. Egil did not see this until nearly being impaled, being surprised when Shulk decided not to kill him, only to be killed by Zanza shortly after. Many of us are more similar than we are led to believe, but the difference lies in that we are the product of those who we surround ourselves with, and it really shows just how deeply it can shape how we turn out as people, and what actions we end up taking. Shulk could have gone down the same borderline murderous path Egil did, had he not been surrounded by those such as Reyn and Fiora, and had his views/motives meaningfully challenged.
Other than lysanderoth, I do think mephiles is a good option to explore, given how he's written(and while yes 06 is not an ideal game) I do think mephiles is one of the best villains to grace the franchise, def deserved better tbh.
I love that in a series where there are giant robot dinosaurs that can fire nuclear arms, one of the toughest bosses in it is just college football player who can rip the president in two...with his bare hands. And if you're gonna ask for a source for that statistic, let me assure you my source is I made it the f""" up.
Guzma and Skull were such well written, sympathetic characters that by the end of the game, I had donned their shirt and were their top cheerleader. They were misguided, but were anything but evil, being more victims of the rank classism that existed in the islands of Alola, and boy did I feel for them. Easily the best group created in the entire series, and nothing exemplifies their relationship to the islands than the revolting manipulation Guzma encountered at the hands of Lusamine. It was subtle and enjoyable for a pokemon narrative, which is why it was promptly hurled out the 9th story window by Masuda for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, for the sake of regurgitating boring old villains and ideas. BACK TO FORMULA, Pokemon, how DARE you try and become deeper?!
So, I've been playing Pokemon since Gen 1, and I honestly think Lysandre is one of the BEST Pokemon villains: You say he has cool ideas but bad execution, but Giovanni, Archie, Maxie, and i'd argue Cyrus (who is even more "END IS NIGH" then him) really have both basic generic motiviations AND execution. I think part of the issue is that his writing differs between the X and Y version: In X, he's as you describe, but in Y, his motivation is less about beauty and preservation and isn't tinged with classism, rather its him wanting to solve hunger and poverty as a former philanthropist, and wants to Thanos things so nobody is in need, which is more of a likeable goal then the goofy obsessions with beauty and wanting to wipe out the lower class. I think part of the problem is Team Flare as a whole: I'll defend Lysandre specifically, but the team theme and grunts are really goofy and hard to take seriously.
Yeah definitely, Lysandre is much different from his team. While he genuinely works, his team just doesn’t have the presence that the previous ones had. The trainers known as Admins don’t even have names. The Admines, aside from Xerosic, feel incredibly generic in comparison to previous team Admins, with nothing to really flesh them out compared to “Nice Guy” Petrel or the man who’s looks for his beloved leader Archer. Courtney had either a giddy or robotic demeanour, Tabitha is stuck up and obsessed with lording his adulthood, Matt is literally Archie’s bro, Shelly is phenomenally arrogant or a bratty lady of sorts. The Galactic admins all show great admiration and dedication to their boss in their own different ways, while Pluto is a greedy schemer with no loyalty to his team, using them for his own end. And let’s not get into Team Plasma, N is phenomenal
10:19 Well this makes even more sense because FFX is kind of interesting in that there's two main villains, one for Tidus and one for Yuna. Yuna's is Seymour and Tidus' is Sin/Jecht. Tidus' and Jecht's story being all about how bad Jecht is at opening up to and being straightforward towards his son and how bad Tidus is at reading between the lines (in general really, not just with Jecht). It's told mostly through flashbacks though. Jecht himself isn't actually a villain though (an antagonist when Tidus was a little kid maybe but he matured during Braska's pilgrimage) and it was even because of his merged consciousness with Sin's that Tidus was even yanked out of Dream Zanarkand to join Yuna's pilgrimage.
my favorite villains/antagonists are EASILY Emet-Selch and Elidibus from Final Fantasy XIV, i love how they're empathetic villains who make you question if you're really doing the right thing and drive your understanding of the world.
I have to argue against Eggman being a good example. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels. So cut the "humanisation" bs please, especially in regards to those god-awful comics.
So you love him being just whining and grumbling in the background, not contributing a damn thing to the plot, and a sappy, contrived "father/daughter" relationship that doesn't exist anyhwere outside of the audiologs ? Sonic fans are beyond lost lol
I’d like to see your take on Malos and Jin from Xenoblade 2. Just bc I saw them in the video and was disappointed you didn’t go into depth on them. Still loved the “Don’t get cocky you little shit” line
LYSANDEROTH! Also, I think you should cover the difference(s) between how Eastern and Western media are/were allowed to write villains. Western media such as comics and film had various codes to abide by (the Comics Code and Hayes Code) that prevented villains from being portrayed as sympathetic. Japan has different rules. It'd be interesting to see how they affected villain writing!
Villains are some of the most important characters in a story. I love the way they can take on so many different forms. One Villain I think is underated Is Altair from Re:creators a being who transcended her very story just to avenge her creator and how in a way she got something better in the end. Also she was a foe that could not lose.
One case I’d like to think about is Shin megami tensei, I’ve only played 3 and 5, but from those, I notice one major dilemma that can be hard with those games, how do you make all characters good and evil from different perspectives? I think SMT 5 failed at this because we didn’t get enough time to really understand them, while in 3, we got some time with each character for Them to characterize themselves, especially because their motives weren’t established at the very end of the game
MangaKamen: Do you want to hear about good villans? Me: Standing here I realize you are just like me trying to make history but who's to judge the right from wrong when our guard is down I think we'll both agree
Johan and Griffith are manipulators and they do such horrible things, well Griffith on the other hand does horrible things to achieve his goal to attain a kingdom and Johan is nihilistic and kills people, because he just does it.
There’s no villain in 10, only tragic characters that need to be put down for the good of the planet. Seymour wanting every living beings to become unsent is a reaction to the suffering Sin causes, and the problem only arises when dissected, finding out that unsent become monsters, a society of unsents could not reproduce, and eventually, would turn into fiends. Mika and Yunalesca genuinely want Sin to disappear, only, they’re disillusioned about it being possible, offering a temporary bandaid as the next best thing. Jech is just controlled, so yeah. Yu Yevon was planning to recreate Zanarkand after the war with Bevelle, but he lost his mind during Sin’s creation, and now only attacks instinctively large population centers due to the fear he had of advanced machinas Bevelle had at the time. The party winning against Sin, isn’t due to abandoning Yevon’s teachings, but due to a series of very lucky events, starting with Jecht attacking dream Zanarkand, spurring the fayths into losing hope of the original plan, and aiding Tidus via Bahamut’s fayth, Jecht able to hear the hymn in order to make Sin weaker is also very important, and extremely hard to replicate. It was a series of fortunate coincidences, Yevon itself wasn’t taken seriously in the first 400 years (Ultimania), and you can clearly see that didn’t help vs Sin.
I think a fantastic example of the "man behind the curtain" type of villains is also one of my favorite villains in any media period: Sovereign from the first Mass Effect. There's not really much character to it, and it probably gets less than ten minutes of screen time, but holy crap is that screen time used effectively. It takes just one conversation to cement it as one of the single most imposing and threatening beings/characters I've ever seen in a video game, and that conversation might be the peak of that entire franchise IMO. Everything about Sovereign, from it's appearance basically being a several mile tall mechanical Lovecraftian horror from beyond the reaches of the known universe, to the plot revelations it drops on you with the significance of an orbital bombardment, to the TERRIFYINGLY cold and calculated way it dismisses all of civilization as being irrelevant and only exists because it ALLOWS it to, is bone chilling and insane. Like I said, it doesn't get much screen time, but its one of the only times any video game has made me sit up and say something to the effect of "Holy sh*t, how the hell are we expected to possible stop this thing?". One of the other examples of this is Grigori, the titular dragon of Dragon's Dogma. But with him, it was more due to his sheer presence and size being so significant that it genuinely feels like you're gonna get your as served to you when you fight him. Of course, that boss fight is absolutely one of my favorites in gaming, so that helps as well.
21:48 Yea Sonic Team USA wasn't great at audio quality. Phantasy Star Universe didn't even have a stereo track in _2006_ (Stereo speakers were invented in the 1930s BTW)
I wonder why there were spoiler warnings for Xenoblade 2 considering he never talked about it (directly) in this video, besides some clips without audio and a clip of Malos being hammy in chapter 1
They could have made Lysandre’s story about mortality and how things always fade away. Like how where Xerneas brings life, Yveltal always brings death. But it could also be about to you must enjoy that “beauty” while it’s still around.
I'd love more villain-themed videos! Villains are absolutely fascinating to me and there's something really fun to just listening to you discuss which you think work or don't and why. Great work!
Yes I made it to the end. No I'm not typing that out. Eggman is a great villain. So is Malos and Seymour. Heck.... over the many years I've grown very fond of Bowser. Originally I liked how cool he is. A dragon turtle with a spiky shell is just awesome. Then as the game list he's in grow larger I started to respect him. I'm at the point where I'd rather play Bowser and kick Mario's butt. Maybe someday.
A Franchise that in my eyes has a wary big problem with Villians is Hyperdimension Neptune. The franchises main Villian, Arfoire is just...flat out bad. Especley because she never has any acual Karakter development because each time she appears its a diffrent version of her. In the first game she was a former Hero corruptet by a evil power. In the Second game, wich is a soft reboot fore the franchize, shes the Deity of Sin and dosnt even appear outside of the Final Boss, and unless youre in the Conquest ore True Ending, she dosnt even talk, shes just a rapaging monster. The third game takes place in a other dimension and we learn NOTHING of this Arfoire except she hates CPUs and apperently is still the Deity of Sin but that title is never said. She ironicley has the most Karakter development as she becomes utterly demorelized by her constant defeats and becomes a Eggplant farmer, and she reappears a few years later, as still a farmer in Cyberdimension Neptunia 4 Godess Online, making her ironicly the only version of Arfoire too survive the game she appeardin. In the forth game Arfoire is just a illusion, a duplicate of the original Arfoire but shes just...a generic, evil cackling witch, her most memroble scene is wary earley in the game. And in the next main line game...well I dont know much about it except that its Arfoire is again from a paralel world invading the main timline. Wich BTW this is the third interdimensionol plot in a row. As fore other Villians in Neptunia 2 we have the 4 CFWs devout worshippers of Arfoire and leaders of ASIC, the Arfoire Syndicate of Intelligent Crime. And there all wary broing. CFW Judge is just a raging Berserker wich a cool design. CFW Witch is just...generic evil zallot, thers nothing special too her. CFW Trick is probably the most hatet Karakter in the franchize....hes a pedophile and sees small children as his "Little cuties" that he wants too lick with his enormous tongue and mind control them. Hes just utterly revolting and I realy wonder what Compile Heart was thinking with him. This brings us too the only good member of the CFW, CFW Brave, he ist even evil, he just genuenly thinks he is fighting fore a better future fore all the children of Gamindustry. Hes;...kinda an idiot but he is the most well written of the Villians in the second game. Oh yeah theres also Linda and Warechu but there basicley team Rocket, just two reacurring Grunts. In the Third game the antagonists are the Seven Sages, a group who...belives CPUs are unecessary? Yeah there overarching motivation is never fully revealed. The only one who we KNOW why shes doing what shes doing is Ray Rights, the CPU of the long gone Ancient Nation of Tari. She simply wants too destroy the CPUs as she sees CPUs as a severe danger too humanity, as she herself went berserk and destroyed her own Nation and she wants too prevent this from happening again and make humanity more independent from the Godesses. Sadly undermined by the fact Ray is a complete and utter nervous pushover. Despite being the "Leader" of the Sages shes a glorefied secretary and errand girl. The other members are Copypaste, who is basicley just a big Robot who wants too smash stuff, until hes destroyed and now hes a kind heartet Robot who just wants too make friends. Anonydeath...hes Metaton but as a evil hacker in a big pink Power Suit, who has a unhealthey obesssion with Noire and stalks her wherever he can. Hes pretty much the acual Leader of the Sages and the only one treating Ray with any form of respect. Also its....arguable the two are acually married as they did raise a child together. Then we have Mister Badd a greedy businesmann who only cares fore two things. Money, and his children. He IS a doting father but again we dont realy know anything about him except he yoused too be the Minister of Lowee and essentially Blancs right hand man. Then we have Arfoire and Warechu who...pretty much are just comic relief. Arfoire even is utterly delurious fore a couple of years and like I said she ends up a Egg Plant Farmer. And then we have...Abnes........I have no bloody clue why Abnes is even part of this group. She wants too protect children and fore some reason thinks CPUs are evil....no explanation why. You acually can remove her from the story and nothing would change. Now the 4 game...besides its version of Arfoire, Megadimension Neptunia VII has the best villians in the franchise. First we have the organisation AffimaX a information broker company lead by the Robot (?) Affimojas...and hes a big ass Otaku who loves Anime and the fine curves of 2D Ladys. And with him we have the Socially Awkward Robot Ninja who is afraid of girls Steamax and the two are...a genuenly wholspme duo, and its acually ehartbreaking see ther friendship fall apart when Affimojas starts pushing Steamax away so he isnt pulled into the machinations of the games main villian. Speaking of said main villian we have Kurome. The first CPU of Planeptune and evil half of the new Karakter Uzume. Backstory. Uzume had the uncanny ability of making her drams and fantasys reality. But her powers went out of control and so she decided too seal herself away and erase all traces of her own existance. Now over the many years of being sealed away Uzume herself begann too forget what exactly happend. She begann too belive that she was betrayed by her poeple and unjustibley locked away. And so Uzuma split in two. Uzume herself lost all memories of who she is besides that she is a CPU and Kurome who worked on her grand revange plan. And Kurome is a realy good villian. Fore the most part we only see her as a bodyless voice, until the final act of the game. Kurome always speaks in a calm and...somwhat detached manner. As if she is somwhat bored but also amused by anything thats going on. Shes manipulatife and cenniving and she is in total control of the situation until the ending. Depending on wich ending you get both Uzume and Kurome die, altaugh in the True Ending its implied that Uzume and Kurpme reached a understanding and she lives on as a mere voice in Uzumes head.
Great video I would love if you did more videos on villians. I feel like Dracula from castlevania would be a great one since you were on the topic of how to humanize a villain
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I’d love to see what you think about Mephiles the Dark from Sonic 06.
@@SuperPlacido1 chill, let the man make his money
The thing about Armstrong is that, for his incredibly short amount of screen-time, the man has *three* introduction segments. First - his in-character speech on top of Excelsus, second - him still in character and revealing his powers, and then finally third - breaking character and getting real. With every scene we discover a new layer to him, and as such, despite the fact that he's been on screen for like 5 minutes, he feels like a well-established character.
And he's iconic because of it.
He has one before Exelsus, when you see a recording of him and Sundowner talking to a scientist about *child organs*.
In said scene, you don't even get to see his face. Like most of the game, he's operating things behind the scenes, in the shadows.
He's mysterious, at least until Raiden meets him and you learn more about him.
The fact that he stays in the shadows and in EXELSUS could make the player think that he's a coward, but then he powers up with NANOMACHINES, SON and takes Raiden on with his bare hands.
Just goes to show how much a person's opinion of a character can change in four scenes.
Very aptly noted, my friend!
I have a dream
@@mechatecha8514 *nanomachines son*
I honestly love villains who have a good balance between being Evil and goofy like Eggman and Wily. In my opinion it gives the villain that unpredictable factor.
It’s why I love Bowser too. One moment, he can be a total goofball and the next, he can be genuinely threatening and menacing.
@GameKnight also like handsome jack from bl2
It's also why Kefka is such an incredibly effective and unforgettable villain, probably the best one out of the entire Final Fantasy franchise. Every other final boss villain of FF tends to take himself or herself way too seriously, but not Kefka. There's always a layer of goofy, unhinged madness to him (even after he wins against the heroes, manages to destroy the world, and ascends to godhood) but there's a undeniable method to his madness. For Kefka, it's nihilism. For Armstrong, it's him trying to burn the entire shitty system down and replace the world order with something new. You have to admire that despite the horrific means to it all.
Goofy yet evil villains are really cool. Part of the reason I liked Drosselmeyer in Princess Tutu, he foiled Rue who was more of a tragic villain perfectly.
@GameKnight Joker is a comicbook villain, though. The closest we ever got to a videogame Joker is Kefka from Final Fantasy 6. And he's WORSE, because unlike Joker, he's not a narcissist who loves making a spectacle out of himself, but a violent nihilist who doesn't care about anyone, not even himself.
I believe what makes a good and bad villain involves around two things:
A) The kind of story you're in.
B) The villain taking the message of the story to the extremes, that way, the protagonist could relate to the villain in a way and see that they are similar in a way, just with different methods.
Eh, having an unrepentant evil bastard like Palpatine is also fun
@@mullerpotgieter yeah sometimes that's really all you need.
The second is up for debate, especially the way it's used in Marvel movies.
@@유-k6f metal gear rising
Or you can just make a pure evil but iconic villain like Frieza or Sephiroth
Bowser’s a great example of a villain who started out generically evil but later evolved to have humanizing qualities. He genuinely loves and cares about his son, Bowser Jr, and the Koopalings and he wants to keep kidnapping Peach so that he can give Jr. a mother which is a good motivation. He also genuinely cares about his own people and troops and is willing to do anything to save them if they’re in danger and even puts aside his hatred of Mario and his friends if there is another threat that is willing to endanger the lives of his own men.
And to add more to it. He is also funny.
Plus him being "I'll always come back" incarnate only reinforces his conviction.
And in SMRPG, did he not also encounter a Goomba who had gone AWOL and settled down, with Bowser being very understanding of him?
@ there was also a Koopatrol who left to undergo some self-imposed training and rehab, and he actually encouraged him to keep it up when he met him at Jinx’s dojo.
@@paperluigi6132 All of this is to say that Bowser is unironically a great well written three-dimensional villain with a lot of depth.
the mario & luigi rpg's give bowser THE BEST characterization he's ever had in any game ever. in bowser's inside story he's this big tough guy who'll take any challenge you throw at him. he acts like a smartass and yet he's too gullible for his own good. it's such a great character and he absolutely shines
Guzma was just a ton of fun. Especially when you find him in the ultra dimension and he says "Yall are stupid!"
"You guys dumb!"
That was one of my favorite lines in any pokemon game, sun and moon had great writing (for pokemon anyways) and even better random npcs like the guy dressed as machamp trying to get women to like him, or the implied beating of guzma as a child from his dad. Scarlet/violet may have a pretty competent overall story, but the individual parts dont stand out as much to me as b/w or s/m
In the case of Armstrong it's both that he's a good villain and has charisma which is partially due to the voice acting. That along with the writing helps make a character who could've easily been a heavy handed slap at American politicians, ends up being one of the most memorable bad guys in Video Games.
He's also a haymaker thrown at American politics, but he was ahead of the curve which is probably why MGR saw a resurgence in recent years.
Armstrong was an blatant indictment on Bush the Greater and Bush the Lesser but who knew that he would also be a warning for what was to come in 2016?
@@danjoredd speaking from the perspective of an anarchist, not even that is right. He has a strong belief of "might makes right" and while I too would respect someone for genuinely putting in their all to take control of their own life like he does with Raiden, I wouldn't want that to be the factor that determines quality of life. Anarchism is mostly about challenging systemic things, and while Armstrong does that, he has his own idea of a system based solely on strength he wants to take its place. It's actually super goddamn hard to say what exactly Armstrong's ideology is other than a really vague "probably somewhat right wing, definitely INSANELY libertarian"
@@uncroppedsoop he's a batshit crazy nationalist
@@dappermaverick youtube auto-hid your reply but I saw it. he's most definitely _not_ a nationalist, he hates the USA as it currently is and wants to change it fundamentally
I do love how Eggman was given more of a character and Frontiers and the IDW comics, it makes him more of a interesting and compelling character.
Ian Flynn, ladies and gentlemen. He can crank out really good writing even while working within SEGA’s mandates and restrictions.
@@paperluigi6132 except for Shadow because Sega’s grip is STUPID tight on him, to the point where Ian is flat out benching him on purpose until Sega loosens their grip and gives him more freedom with Shadow. (This isn’t a knock against Ian btw as a Shadow fan I genuinely can’t blame him for this. Heck most other Sonic writers share his sentiment even.)
@@SharpestSniper99 I REALLY hope Jeff Fowler does Shadow justice in Sonic Movie 3.
@@SharpestSniper99 Shadow being benched might be a good thing. He needs to go away for awhile.
@@Ability-King-KK the problem with Shadow right now isn’t overexposure, in fact most of the games he appeared in for like the past decade or so, don’t have him in a major role to play (save for like….forces…and team sonic racing I think). If it were the early and mid 2000’s that would be a different story. Shadow’s problem nowadays is flandered characterization by having his aggressive tendencies and pride get ludicrously exaggerated. The only reason he’s largely getting benched now is because writers are just fed up with the lack of control when they do end up using him.
What I love about Eggman is that he has this entertaining balance of goof and mad genius. It allows him a lot of freedom to do a lot of crazy stuff without it seeming out of character especially when it comes to his machines. This is all tied together with his boisterous ego and charisma. He's very simple but it's really hard to think about when you just enjoy his presence. Even in the 2010's while he wasn't at his best, he was a mile more entertaining than literally everyone else in the cast (thank you Mike Pollock).
I have to argue against Eggman being a good balnce. At all. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make even less sense. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
And no, Mike Pollock hasn't been that good in the role for years. Eggman in the 2010s SUCKED. Period.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 In reality, I think there was only ever one time Eggman was fully threatening and that was Adventure 2. Adventure had the mincemeat line but other than that his lines weren't anything too special. I guess 06 played him pretty straight but that in turn made him super uninteresting. And let's not forget Heroes where he does absolutely nothing except make the Chaotix do a bunch of dumb missions. I feel like the 2010's writers had a problem with not taking Eggman's actions as seriously as they should. The dude sucked aliens of their power source in order to build a mind control ray, sucked the life out of a planet to charge his mechs, took over the world and erased time and space with so far the only powerful deity he could actually control. That's big time villain work and it's a shame it wasn't taken as seriously as it should. Speaking of seriousness, like I said while I think he took steps back in the 2010's he's still better than 90% percent of the cast in the fact that I personally still find him quite charming (ex. The intercom messages in Colours). I feel like while Mike can occaisionally struggle the threatning side (which I do think he can do since he's done it in the past) he does still make the character entertaining with the writing he's given.
@@castform7 I'm not talking only about lines. I mean actions too. In SA1, he harnessed an eldritch monstruosity by feeding it Chaos Emeralds. He had a Star Destroyer-sized airship. He almost nuked Station Square. He was just utterly boring in 06, all he did was a wild goose chase for Elise against Sonic.
I can sorta agree with your reasoning as on surface level, these should be despicable acts of great magnitude, but instead, Colors treats him like an incompetent moron with no self respect, which in turn, makes him ever capable of capturing and harvesting Wisps unbelievable. Thing is, IDGAF about the Wisps, because they suck as a gimmick and aren't interesting from a lore perspective, they're just a lousy replacement for Flickies. Even the mind control ray plot falls apart because he failed to notice a robot arm was stuck in it.
Don't even bring up SLW, that whole Extractor BS was so goddamn stupid. How can you take him seriously : he reverts back to old Badniks for no reason, he builds this extractor that sucks the world energy.....to power up some crappy mech, and he hires a bunch of Koopalings knock-offs as labour force. I can't even wrap my head over how STUPID this is.
Generations also falls apart, because there's no plot or stakes. Eggman isn't really re-writing history, he just froze random locations in the middle of a white void and done nothing with them. And in the end, he's still treated like a pathetic punchbag.
No, I don't find him "charming" because he's infuriatingly stupid and gets picked on by literally everyone, even when he comes off as the most sane guy around in SLW. And no, the PA announcements in Colors were unfunny cringe.
I don't like Mike Pollock anymore. I used to, still like his performance in Unleashed a lot, but now he's just phoning it in so badly, he's just talking in his normal voice in Frontiers.
Eggman in the comics is pretty cool. One of my favourites is a bonechilling sequence where Eggman is operating on one of his commanders who had a "work place incident" that left her mortally wounded. So anyway she wakes up halfway through the operation and eggman is just merrily rearanging her guts while talking to her with this manic grin. He praises her for trying to mindcontroll her platoon to serve her and her alone, saying that he appreciates the underhandedness and he will let her keep the mind controll chip that she implanted in herself. He then gleefully shows her the explosives he is going to inplant in her and notes that should she ever betray him there will be some festiv fireworks. As Eggman finishes up the commander is quite confused as to why Eggman went to all the trouble of saving her even though he knows she tried to doublecross him. Eggman responds that that is all just part of the game. The game that he plays with all his commanders. For Eggman knows that his commanders are all scum that are only in it for themselves and would betray him the first chance they get. But until they get that chance they will try their best to make the Eggman empire succeed since they ultimatly plan to take it for themselves. So Eggman is basically always dangeling a carrot in front of his commanders to keep them in line while also making sure that it is just out of reach.
@@Avatarbee That was back in Archie iirc
I feel like Lysandre's execution and reception is why I think we've had a departure from villain Teams like Rocket or Galactic and started have more Team Skulls at the forefront. Personally I'd love to see a return to the old style. I myself had the idea of being apart of a gang like Team Skull and the plot is basically Team Skull vs Team Rocket. Kinda like Pokemon Colosseum except Wes decided to hang out with Guzma.
I would like to see a pokemin game where your part of an evil team
I don't get why people say Lysandre has "bad execution" when Giovanni, Archie, Maxie, and i'd argue Cyrus are insanely generic and bare mininum take over/end the world style villains in both concept AND execution
I sort of agree. Giovanni doesn't really want world domination. He is a really powerful mafia boss and is just insanely greedy. Archie and Maxie are misguided and thought that what they were doing would save the world but they were actually dooming it. And Cyrus actually just wants to be left alone and hates the unpredictability of life that comes from things like emotions. So he takes it to an insane extreme which is why he settles into the distortion world, where there is nothing to bother him. Although a lot of this isn't told very well through the story.
Hot take…..I really like the ‘evil’ teams that are just a bunch of weirdos that aren’t really evil but do bad stuff for a good cause.
Skull are a bunch of dorks that want to be taken seriously but are far too goofy, but to each other are super supportive and caring.
Yell are a bunch of crazed football hooligans that simp for their team (that one scene of them yelling at a snake to sleep better and telling you off cause you might wake it up is gold.)
What I want for a future Pokémon game is for there to be two “teams” like in OR/AS and the version you pick decides what side you’re on. Your friends in one version would be your enemies in another. That would really give a great opportunity to flesh out not just the Villains as you rise up the ranks
The one that truly terrified me with his absolute malice is Porky in Mother 3... literally EVERYTHING about him is unnerving in a way... and that for a Nintendo game...
So a creepy old man-child who has an obsession over capitalism, created an army of nazi pigs, has indirectly murdered people and doesn't care about it, has created freaky chimera made from innocent animals and a human, has also brainwashed nearly the entire population of the island to move to his distopian tourist trap (new pork city) to live out there "last moments" so the pig headed scumbag can pull out the last needle so he can outlive everyone, all while his only motive was just sheer boredom, this guy is pure evil personified no wonder the game never got localised
He's a kid at heart. In the WORST possible way. He's a kid who never knew the slightest trace of love, only really shown anger and controlling behaviour, at heart, and has been around like that with these problems festering and growing for so long he can't even remotely remember how long it's been anymore and it's hard to even imagine seeing any humanity left in him. A big, narcissistic, sociopathic, immortal manchild who never got the chance as a kid to learn to care about people
Tbf, it's from the same game franchise that has Giygas and Mother 3's ending so it feels like it fits well in the game.
What about Marx from Kirby that dude is just straight up villainous.
@@habijjjHow is Marx villainous? Other than tricking Kirby and wanting to take over Dreamland, he doesn't have much character.
Villains are great because they’re often the driving force of a story. If the villain is good, the story benefits from it. They can also be some of the most interesting characters because of why they do what they do or because of what they’ve done. Villains are often some of my favorite characters because of this and seeing the hero clash with them not just physically but ideologically is very interesting
I actually have a deep soft-spot for XY and especially Lysandre. His is a very tragic figure who would have become very iconic if he was in any franchise except for Pokemon and did not suffer from such poor writing. His introduction is infamous for his obvious villainy, which later overshadowed his genuinely sympathetic motive. I think that you were even lighter on Team Flare than you could have been, for this was the most harmless and comedic team before Team Skull, possibly even moreso with how little the grunts took themselves seriously. In the end, I was wondering how many of them actually knew about Lysandre's plan and were not just in a get-rich-quick scheme. Speaking of Lysandre's plan, the core issue with it is that it falls apart because he and the player live in a world where people regularly give away valuable items and are constantly encouraging strangers. I can not see this world falling into poverty and strife. Yes, there are some minor allusions to wealth inequality in Kalos, but it is just some punks in Lumious and a few maids and butlers in Perfume Palace and the Battle Chateau.
Again, I deeply love Lysandre in concept as a disillusioned madman but think that everything was working against him.
Lysandre was a good villain in the wrong franchise, something I can confidently say as you can break into peoples houses and they reward you for it
In a way, he's similar to Kronika from 'Mortal Kombat 11'; great as a *concept* of a villain that would contrast the previous major antagonists, but ultimately had *far* too little substance for the audience to truly get engaged with the character and their motivations.
@@ryanm.8720 Kronika was just bad in general but cetrion had potential
you could say the same about chairman rose. i always found him and lysandre to be kind of similar in the sense that they would have both benefitted from being in a different game with better writing
if swshs world, characters and pacing were better fleshed out we would actually have an idea on why rose's motives and actions. i'm not saying there was no motive at all, there was, it's just not very apparent at all until you look into it yourself, which i know would turn many people away. so many people hate him over misconceptions because they didn't understand him the first time they played (and knowing swsh, they wouldn't replay)
3:30 important detail on Ghetsis, he never gave a flying fk about the feelings of pokemon, he just used that as an excuse to hire people that genuinely wanted to do good to lower the regions defenses by having them release all their mons. His ace in bw2 is a hydreigon with maxed out frustration
Lysanderoth is my favorite villain. His tragic story about wanting to destroy the world to preserve his dead beautiful alien mom is very relatable.
Relatable...
*What*
Wait a minute
Something ain't right
What I want for a future Pokémon game is for there to be two “teams” like in OR/AS and the version you pick decides what side you’re on. Your friends in one version would be your enemies in another. That would really give a great opportunity to flesh out the Villains as you rise up the ranks
Makes me think of Fire Emblem Fates, but Pokemon... and I think it would work much better in Pokemon.
That honestly sounds like a great idea.
I prefer Emerald's writing over R/S.
Both Teams are the bad guys in that one.
Too much work for Gamefreak, that's for sure.
Dr. Eggman will always be the best villain a perfect blend of goofy but sometimes evil at the same time in my opinion.
I have to argue against Eggman being a good example. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
"After all that, I promise I'll never be a dick again!"
5 minutes later:
"Okay, I'm a dick again."
@@thebreadbringer IDW Sonic is trash
@@yrooxrksvi7142he went from building up planet sized structures so big they need the master emerald to be powered. And now hes Just a comic relief.
Honestly Eggman’s whole dad arc in Frontiers really goes to show just how versatile a character he is because by now he’s been taken in so many directions. He’s been a goofy mustache twirler in the classic games and some of the modern ones, he’s been a serious legitimate threat in most of the adventure and dark age titles and even the movies, he’s GENUINELY TERRIFYING in SATAM and the Archie Comics (well, Eggman 2 specifically anyway), and now in Frontiers and some of the IDW Comics he’s more human than ever. Eggman might not be my favorite Sonic antagonist per say (that Honor is still a toss up between Metal Sonic and Merlina…also the End can be cool if they bring it back in future games like it’s monologue implies), but Eggman is so beloved because he’s a character thats a jack of all trades and is one of the rare cases where he’s master of…well, all of them.
Jack of all trades master of all seems fitting
I mean how many degrees do you even need to be able to do Half the shit he does, he knows how to turn Live Animals into power sources, Man has created Multiple Massive Space stations, he can also create really Advanced AI etc.
@@hayond656 I was using that analogy in regards to the directions one can take with eggman as a character in writing. He’s been cartoony, he’s been monstrous, he’s been both, and now with Frontiers he’s been humanized.
@@SharpestSniper99 Yeah, I was just saying it can work for that as well
@@SharpestSniper99 I don't see what's so genius about Frontiers. He doesn't do JACK for the entire game but grumble and whine over being stuck in Cyberspace. And no, the "whole dad arc" does not work because we aren't given enough material to believe this familial bond he's gotten for Sage, as again, he just whines to her about being stuck. And no, some audio logs where he says outloud how much he cares for her don't count either. Show, don't tell.
And overall, he went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck.
@@SharpestSniper99 And please, don't bring up those god-awful comics. IDW Sonic is atrocious. And Jim Carrey's portrayal is just diet Riddler/Grinch.
I was actually expecting you to do Hades from Kid Icarus Uprising (one of my favorite games). Such an over the top character that I love as a villain is possibly one of my favorite versions of a man behind the curtain. Literally, tears away the “end credits”
I personally would be down for a full eggman review from you, i think you could do a great job with such a video.
Especially if all the different versions of the character (Game Eggman, SatAM Robotnik, etc.) are covered!
I have to argue against Eggman being a good example. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 do u honestly enjoy enjoy copy pasting this extremely hyperbolic "opinion" under every comment about eggman? Even reading the whole thing sounds a bit nonsense
I would love to hear about your opinion on the silly “I love evil and good is yucky” villains. The Doofenshmirtz and Team Rockets (Jessie, James and Meowth) of the world!
I think the best version of those villains is Dr Neo Cortex
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Spoilers kind of
Kinda glad Pokemon didn't do the typical takeover or destroy the world with Team Skull, Yell and Star. It's getting too redundant.
I think Dr. Weil from the Mega Man Zero series is a great example of how diabolical a villain can be. He's not super complex in his overall drive, but his intelligence, ruthlessness, and overarching presence over the entire story makes him arguably the best antagonist in the entire Mega Man franchise.
No doubt, he's a bastard with all the letters
Dude massacred 80% of humanity before the games even started, and then like an extra 16% in Zero 4, also killing pretty much all plant life
Dude is one fucked up piece of shit
Weil and the other 2 from the sage trio from Zx, Zx advent are similar, but those 2 sages were smarter than weil, they got public opinion on their side most of time.
@@nanashialfarr
Nah Weil did the same in Zero, he manipulated events so that he'd be leader of Neo Arcadia and nobody in there tried to stop him
@@gatst7680 he ruled with fear after mmz2 events, everyone feared him, like neigi and her group they fled from neo acadia because of weil's opressive rule.
eggman acting like a father towards metal and sage makes me love him all the more
Except it's so lazily and pathetically executed. He spends most of Frontiers grumbling over being trapped in cyberspace, NOTHING suggests he's getting all fuzzy wuzzy about Sage except we are being told about it in those audiologs. Sage herself isn't an interesting character enough to warrant all this "muh feelz" bs. And where does this "acting like a father towards metal" come from ? Metal Sonic hasn't been in the main games since Heroes, and he revolted against him. Are you that clueless.
@@yrooxrksvi7142kamen literally showed a panned from the idw comics of eggman acting like a proud father (for lack of a better term) even if it was played for comedy. And WHO WOULDNT be grumpy if they were trapped in a pocket dimension with no way out and basically nothing to do. Also being a proud father doesn’t mean acting all “fuzzy wuzzy” and I’m pretty sure engineering an A.I and letting it convince you to JOIN YOUR LITERAL OPP IS A SIGN OF ATTRACTION (and the audio logs again show how eggman views sage) get your head out your own ass and stfu
How sage is written doesn’t even matter to the whole argument we’re mainly talking about eggman and her’s relationship, her flaws as a character don’t take away from the original argument
@@_sindrus. And that's promptly rejected down the flush because IDW Sonic is furry trash. Nowhere has been ever shown that Eggman is proud for Metal, in fact, he pretty much threw him away after he betrayed him in Heroes.
"And WHO WOULDNT be grumpy if they were trapped in a pocket dimension with no way out and basically nothing to do."
So you're okay with him doing absolutely nothing that matters to the plot except whining in a corner ? Typical Sonic fans standards lol
And no, being told outloud how much he has the fee fees for a machine he made doesn't change the fact that it's badly written, because there's not enough to show why he adores her and she adores him. There's a thing called "Show, don't tell".
@@_sindrus. "How sage is written doesn’t even matter to the whole argument we’re mainly talking about eggman and her’s relationship, her flaws as a character don’t take away from the original argument"
It DOES matter, because you, Kamen and Flynn pretend that it "humanizes" Eggman, when it just does not work. At all. He doesn't do anything in the game. His only interactions with her are bland exposition or wanting out of Cyberspace. And she doesn't have anything going for to justify this "bond".
BW Megatron is really a awesome charismatic and cunning villain. The way BW Megs plans and achieved his goals are just some big brain energy and he managed to successfully conquered Cybertron, something that G1 Megs couldn't.
Also the sass, like after he explains why keep a Antidote to a poison after he already poisoned his enemy
"A bargaining chip must always remain in play until the end of the game"
"Why do you always talk with youself?"
"I simply enjoy inteligent conversation"
I always saw Sonic more like the good/cool aspects of humanity rather than nature, because of his love of rock and roll, chill dogs, skate and grinding, cool vehicles, etc. That's why I always liked him, he proved you don't need to give up any of that stuff to not be robotnick.
Much like Sonic as a whole, Eggman went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 uh, that was just for the adventure games, I still think he's at his worst in Heroes goofy wise. And he had to be Nerfed in Shadow for the other factions. I think all he did as far as being bad was steal rings and kidnap Cream and Cheese that game. Heck Lost World Egg man was more evil and cunning then in Heroes or Shadow, no idea why he only started getting crap in Unleashed when he actually improved from the last 2 games.
Also I personally prefer Sonic and Egg man treating each other as equals like Egg man explained his thoughts on him to Sage. While Satam was scaryer, Sonic felt totally out of place to me, like if Gex was in Avatar.
Also just because I see Sonic as the Cool side of humanity rather than the side of nature is only my head cannon, so don't go annoying people with it if they disagree.
@@MrGamernova I too think the decline planted its seeds in Heroes by sidelining him for the Metal Sonic twist, and what little he did, he was just a goofball. Him being "nerfed" in ShTH in favor of other factions only makes the game more crap as it is. In 06, he was boring and spent the game chasing after Elise against Sonic.
But you can't tell me with a straight face that he was "more evil and cunning" in SLW. He was a goddamn joke, an incompetent moron bullied left and right by everyone, even when he was the only one making sense. And how exactly is he cunning ? For faking his death and jump onto the most USELESS mech he's ever built ?
And no, in Unleashed he was good only in two scenes : the intro and the Egg Dragoon cutscene. He was a bumbling idiot there too, getting a rock thrown in his face by a kid, getting dissed left and right by Orbot, gobsmacked by Dark Gaia.
"I personally prefer Sonic and Egg man treating each other as equals like Egg man explained his thoughts on him to Sage."
So......The way they acted back in the Adventure games ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Sorry but did you see how stupid he was in his boss fights in Shadow?
At least he didn't toss Sonic free guns in Lost world. I'll gladly take the lost world mech over his egg strider death trap any day.
Yeah, still miles better than owing the chaotics in his huge fleet he could have paid back to them with, but no just cartoon sneak away from them... yeah I know the ending to Unleashed is the same but at least he's the one chasing there.
@@MrGamernova Who gives AF about ShTH ? Everyone knows it sucks. Did you see how IDIOTIC his plan in SLW was ? He switches back to old style Badniks despite being woefully outdated, he sets up a base with an Extractor that syphon the world's energy and he "hires" a bunch of Koopalings knock-offs to be.....his "bodyguards" ? Lackeys ? Slaves ??? What even the Extractor was meant to power ? A WORTHLESS mech that operates just like the Nega Wisp Armor ?
No matter how much you can cry over either Heroes or ShTH , SLW will always be worse. Period.
The type of villain I would love to see you handle is the rising villain. A villain that progress just or maybe even faster then the hero itself. Think of Kefka of FF6. At the start he looks more like joke character. But as the story progresses he becomes more and more dangerous.
That's a good one. Kefka's a really neat character honestly.
Would Dimentio from Super Paper Mario apply to this type of villain? Seeing as he starts out as one of the main villain's lackees only to become the final boss through all kinds of schemes.
Tomura Shigiraki is a great example. He went from some random thug to the closest thing the MHA verse had to The Antichrist.
And they said Lavos from Chrono Trigger was terrifying.
Would definitely love a follow up to this. One surprisingly decent villain is The Dark Lord from Miitopia
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I definitely recommend playing the game as to experience everything for the first time.
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The Dark Lord starts off the game as your typical bad guy doing bad guy things, in this case stealing faces and causing mischief. Aside from that you don’t really learn much about them. As you travel thru the world of Miitopia you run into all sorts of odd characters (all which you can assign the roles of) with one reoccurring one being the Great Sage, a powerful wizard who saves your butt countless times. Once you do get to the Dark Lords Castle and defeat him you’d think the game is over but…Nope! Turns out this small wisp looking creature was just possessing some nobody worker and attempts to posses you only for the Great Sage to intervene and get possess themselves to become the Darker Lord (very original name). Regardless though it definitely intrigues you to find out what this creature is. You explore more of Miitopia till you’re able to face the Darker Lord. Once defeated again you learn the backstory of the creature known as the Dark Curse. The Dark Curse was once an ordinary Mii. Nobody payed attention to him and he became very lonely leaving him to conclude it was his generic face that was the problem so he got rid of it. Without a face though how could he continue living? They faded from existence leaving only their soul filled with hate and envy. It’s unclear how many people the Curse affected but eventually it did posses an innocent factory worker kicking off the events of the game. Surprisingly well written for a game that’s fairly less known. It definitely gives more humanity to the Curse. Regardless the player from here has a choice to either destroy the Dark Curse ending it once and for all or free the Curse and give it a new body and face in hopes to redeem it. The choice is yours to make
Miitopia gameplay: haha funny easy game go brrrr
Miitopia lore: **gotye x wokeuplikethis plays**
What i like about Armstrong is that when you actually listen to the codec he is mentioned from even file-01, he is pulling the strings from the start and you don't even realize it...
...also known as "Manga finds yet another way to talk about MGR".
I think one of my favorite villains in video games is Dr. Weil from Mega Man Zero 3 & 4. He’s one of the better, if not best, villain from the Mega Man franchise.
First, he has the same desire for peace and the end of Mavericks. However, he considers the way to achieve it is to take free will away from reploids. This would obviously work, but would result in every reploid being Weil’s slave. He does all of this because he reveals that he is a human, but was put in a body that would keep him alive forever as punishment for causing a massive war that wiped out 60% of all reploids and 40% of all humans.
Weil creates a conflict of ideals between freedom and dictatorship. He wants to rule Neo Arcadia in order to create peace. A fascinating villain that I wasn’t expecting from a Mega Man game.
I hope you get more likes :)
Albert Wesker from RE is still one of my favorite villains. Intimidating, ruthless, and an absolute ham thanks to his voice actor. Though Luca Blight is also great. Also love even after you beat him he still gloats as he dies. Reminding you of how many died just to kill him
Seeing Lysander with Saitama’s “ok” expression made me laugh more than it should’ve. It just fits so well.
I'd love to see a video about Hisoka and villains like him. He's scary in a very personal way, like he's not a threat to society at large but he is very dangerous to the protagonists.
Villains with a more personal relationship with the protagonists tend to be the most interesting.
LYSANDEROTH! Also, I find villains who have a good point and/or just cause to be the most fascinating. You get a lot of them in Batman: Animated series just off the top of my head. Perhaps a whole thing on that series. Poison Ivy and Clayface specifically had two stand out episodes.
For some reason, villain who are just pure evil and know the terrible action's they've done are always the most interesting
Its Joker time
Terumi time
*Haguro Dou ftw*
Johan Liebert much?
Yu Yevon was not a villain, he was victim of being stuck in a loop where he infinitely summons, this is why sin was eternal because Yu yevon would corrupt any Aeon that defeated it and used it to re-summon Sin
I was pleasantly surprised by the mid-game P5 villains, especially Kaneshiro. Before playing Royal myself, I was only familiar with him for his boss fight in vanilla, which was heavily comedic. When I actually got to his arc, it was genuinely chilling how effective he was at keeping a low profile, how he managed to turn an ambush into a chance to blackmail the Phantom Thieves and how he was the first target to distort an entire city in his cognitive world. Even as someone who knew how the fight would end up, he kept me on the edge of my seat.
I ain't gonna lie when I meet the guy, my blood boiled. No other villain got me that pissed off yet so scared for the Phantom Thieves. Most of the villains in P5 have some sort of public mask to keep up. But Kaneshiro could've killed them and it wouldn't have phased him a bit. But being the pinnacle of greed that he is, he instead used them to fill his pockets even further
Shadow Kaneshiro was scary for his power of money and it's ability to manipulate peoples for his own sake but in reality he's pathetic... he without money is nothing, and his boss fight was annoying and funny at the same time.
For me, the only good part of Kaneshiro's arc is the awakening of Makoto and 'that' line that comes after.
I think Futaba's arc was better than Kaneshiro's, she's not an evil girl but she was manipulated by others and she wants to die because she think she's the one who killed her mother.
@@connorharnage6697 Not even Kamoshida pissed you off more than him?
Man Kamoshida is probably the most hateable villain ever, but i get with Kamoshida too
I only wish Shido was better, he had a chance to be iconic but he ended up being one of the weakest (but good) villains of P5
@@renren47618 To be fair, being a lesser villain by P5 standards is still great. And yeah Kamoshida pissed me off but also Kamoshida wouldn't kill them. Kaneshiro really could have if he didn't want to exploit them. I think the feeling of powerlessness on that encounter contributed to me being more pissed off
ngl, my favorite p5 villain is surprisingly Yaldabaoth.
F1rst...
Villians... Another MGR excuse huh.
Another Excuse to Talk about It.
Bowser is definitely one of my favorite villains in gaming. Coming from the Mario series, you wouldn’t expect him to have as much character depth as he actually does. He’s not only a power hungry villain, but he’s also a loving father and genuinely cares for his minions (except in the latest Mario + Rabbids game where he calls them imbeciles). I mean, the dude calls his son while he’s on vacation just to make sure his son is doing alright he’s at home alone. Plus, he’s just fun watch on screen and I can’t wait to see what the movie does with him.
One of my favorite villains that no one seems to talk about is Gongora from Lost Odyssey. He starts out as just an advisory figure to a kingdom's monarchy but as the game goes on you get exposed to how much of a manipulative and powerful threat he is. Like Seymour Guado, Gongora is a presence throughout the game and becomes more hammy with each appearance, almost to the extent of Senator Armstrong. Add to that the fact that he's immortal and you are left wondering how you are supposed to even defeat him, until the very end of the game.
Oh, god, Monika. The issue isn't so much her as much as it is how she's portrayed by the fandom of DDLC, which frequently attribute yandere tendencies to her because the actions she takes in the game are similar to the way those tend to act. I actually really like the unique situation she finds herself in as a character and how that influences her actions despite her being, at her core, a pretty average human person. More than once I've imagined what it could have been like I could actually respond to her during the "Just Monika" section of the game, but AI conversation bots aren't to the point where that would be satisfying or interesting, and I'm convinced that as soon as they do get to that point they'll be as potentially dangerous as actual human people, sooooo...
Ehhhh, I don't know about average. I doubt most people would erase almost all of reality on a whim just to force someone you'll never really meet into a staring contest
@@uncroppedsoop Perhaps not, but I'm sure realizing the reality one lives in is simply a dating sim visual novel that can be changed completely by learning to code makes such a decision at least somewhat more likely.
My favorite villain is Malos in Xenoblade 2. He's just the right mix of hammy/funny, threatening and actual depth. He'd be carrying the whole cast of villains if they weren't already good. I find it odd that you had spoiler warnings for Xenoblade 2 but didn't talk about it (directly), only having some no-context clips without sound and one example of Malos bringing the ham. Lysenderoth.
Eggman being a proud father. Now theres a characterization I didnt know I needed until just now.
It happened to Bowser. I don’t see why it can’t happen with Eggy.
Except it doesn't work that way. He spends all Frontiers whing and grumbling about being trapped to Sage, NOTHING suggests he's got all fuzzy wuzzy about her except those meaningless audiologs. And you just fell for it simply because it touches your fee fees lol
@@Rediscool9 Simple answer : it can't. Because Eggman is not Bowser and Sage is not interesting enough to warrant this father/daughter bs.
Dangit, I thought you were gonna bring up Jin or Malos due to the spoiler tag. I love Malos and Jin as villains, because both Jin and Malos start off as "evil for the sake of evil" but Jin gets an entire arc where he is humanized and shown as a broken man who has lost everything he held dear, unable to even die because the last thing he has from the person he cherished the most is his memories of her, who turned to the goal of destruction out of desperation. But Malos? He wants to blow up the world. Heck, there's even an off screen ark where he learns from his initial defeat and gathers a team of people he trusts and works with them under the name of the continent he tried to take over, and the place Jin was most beloved in. Malos is a mustache twirler who saw that there was more to life, and now wants to know why people he has come to care for have to suffer, and destroy the world so they don't have to live under a oppressive system as Blades. The prequel, Torna: the Golden Country, adds to the elements of showing how the world has been broken and is basically 20 hours in the head of one the main villains.
YES YES YES!! More villain videos please.
Edit: I forgot to comment about a Villain I like and I would love to give Handsome Jack some attention. Not only is he very entertaining but he also has some complexity to him like his love for his daughter and the fact that he thinks he’s the hero of the story. Not only does this man has his own daughter hooked up to a machine to keep her “safe” but this man also told a funny story about how he used a spoon to scoop out a man’s eyes while his family is screaming. There’s a lot of villains that think that their the good guys of the story but handsome Jack I think was done very well.
My favourite line from Handsome Jack was in the mission where you destroy the statues in his city and he says "Oh, come on! What's wrong with that statue? I'm holding a baby! You know what a baby is, right? Those pink squishy things you savages eat before you go to sleep in your own filth?"
Honestly, as someone who has gotten a decent amount of good reviews for script doctoring and playing around with Fanfiction a good villain comes down to what makes sense in your story. I've always treated an antagonist as someone who is just a person, one albiet with motive, drive, and threat, but someone who is doing something for a reason they believe in more than just insanity or "that's just the way they are". My personal goal when writing a villain is to drive the plot forward while asking questions about the character, and eventually ask the question of, "Are they redeemable?" If I have made narrative sense, drove the plot forward, and have a setup for their own story past the protagonist I personally believe I wrote a good villain.
That of course is not the end all be all, but I'm not good at writing mental illness as a character trait or straight evil. There are very phenomenal writers who can do that, but it's not in my tool box.
MangaKamen will show you how to be a real villain…
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Here's a little lesson in trickery; this is going down in history!
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Can’t escape raid:shadow pants… YOU were the last guy I’d expect to accept the payment
This was the video he needed to put them in.
Truly PAID: Ow Legs is a villain of all time.
I was legit creeped out by eggman in the comics, guy can go from goofy too threatening so quickly
We all know that the right way to make a villain is with NANOMACHINES SON!
Lysandre was better in the anime. Him being formally a good person who became disillusioned with humanity after his charity and compassion is instead of being met with thanks but sheer greed really is understandable. At it wasn't just him, but his whole team who were there to witness the greed of the just your average person. So all of Team Flare was disillusioned and onbaord with what thier boss was planning.
The Xenoblade 2 Villain Trifecta of Jin, Malos and Amalthus are one of my favorites. Malos and Amalthus especially.Would love to hear your thoughts about them.
Gosh I love Malos, he's just a man without a goal of his own, he fights for the ideals of Amalphus. And yet, he's just incredible.
Funny Valentine from Jojo part 7 comes to mind as great villain from design motivation and all round character would love to hear you talk about him
i am glad the new sonic game gave eggman some of his personality back instead of being a generic bad guy like he was in the last few games.
Still wonder what he thinks about shadow technically being his uncle tho
Uhhhh What "some of his personality" are you talking about ? He doesn't do anything for the entirety of Forces except whining about being trapped in Cyberspace. And no, the last few games portrayed him as a goofy idiot that no one respects. Clearly you never played a Sonic game before.
Also, this sappy "father/daughter" bs with Sage doesn't work, because NOTHING in the game suggests that outside of those audiologs.
I hope you get to talk about Akira Nishkijama from Yakuza 0 and Kiwami he is a really great villain and it would be really great to hear your thoughts about him.
It'll take some time, but you should go through final fantasy 14 and talk about the villains there, from the main story and even villains from the side quest content that's post shadowbringers. Villains from media other than games is also a swell idea! Hope you get those 10k likes!
A villain I’ve always appreciated was Dr. Neo Cortex from the Crash Bandicoot franchise. Being an obvious parody of Dr. Eggman, he started off as a stereotypical mad scientist.
But over the course of Crash 1, 2, 3, and 4, he started to get less and less enthusiastic to the point where he doesn’t wanna fight anymore at the end of Crash 3 and flat out gives up at the end of Crash 4. It’s cool to see that Cortex just wants to live a relaxing life and not stay in the same cycle of planning, enacting, getting thwarted, and repeating.
Again, not the most creative villain when compared to other franchises, but still narratively better than literally every other Crash Bandicoot character, despite even the massive plot holes of Crash 4.
I can't remember a lot of deep villains on the top of my head, but I can recall plenty of funny villains: Bowser, Dedede, Zomboss, Whisped Cream, Louie, and those are from games I've played. All of these guys left an impression I'll never forget even if they're one note.
Louie as in Pikmin? If so big agree, he absolutely was controlling the titan dweevil.
I'm sorry... Whisped Cream?
Another Yo-Kai Watch fan?
Eggman and Bowser just being good dads while having a respect and undying hatred for their rivals are some of the best parts of their characters.
Legit, Bowser can easily go from helping Mario for the 'great of good', but it's mainly cause he's the top dog and no one's going to show him up. He's a very simple tough guy, but boy does he play it well.
As for video ideas, sadly going to have to pull you back into the world of RWBY for a comparison of villains... And an anti-hero. Jin (Xenoblade 2), Adam (RWBY) and Scar (Fullmetal Alchemist). Mainly cause, I feel, Adam is basically Jin and Scar but worse. Up to you though.
Also Lysanderoth basically has the same motives of Seymour.
It's interesting to think that Eggman started as a drawing of Teddy Roosevelt. Eggman is basically the opposite of him, while still being as extreme in action.
I have a feeling that his love of Sage is a bit of Teddy shining thru. If I recall, the loss of his children is what finally brought him low.
Honestly, Eggman went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 I think it's because ever since Sonic moved to 3d, Eggman no longer become the final boss, expect for Lost World. The other problem is that Sonic games are no longer allowed to have a hight budget so Eggman being threatening is pointless. Why Sega using the extra money to buy other companies.
I tend to like morally ambiguous antagonists that create a good opposition to the protagonists’ point of view. They actively challenge each others’ own views and motives, and might make the player more likely to question the points of view presented to them.
A great example of this is Egil from Xenoblade Chronicles, who was a great foil to Shulk. To each other, they were evil incarnate, had very similar motives and end goals, but it was who surrounded them that made the difference. Shulk wanted to take out revenge on Mechonis, and the Machina/Mechon for what they did to the colonies and Fiora, and Egil wanted to take out revenge on Bionis and the Homs/Nopon/High Entia for what had happened to his own people, as well as being distraught from the betrayal of Arglas. The difference is, Shulk was surrounded by friends who supported him and had his views actively challenged by those such as Fiora, and finding out that the faced Mechon were still Homs inside, and the question of if revenge and killing the Mechon was truly the way to end the conflict. Egil on the other hand, did not have the same circumstances, he was not surrounded by those who supported and challenged him the same way Shulk was with those such as Fiora and Reyn, leaving him to further drive himself into madness as a disciple of Meyneth, and literally taking over Mechonis, his thirst for revenge and his hatred consumed him as a result.
Shulk eventually thought that their had to be another way, and that the cycle of revenge and spilling blood was not the way out. Egil did not see this until nearly being impaled, being surprised when Shulk decided not to kill him, only to be killed by Zanza shortly after.
Many of us are more similar than we are led to believe, but the difference lies in that we are the product of those who we surround ourselves with, and it really shows just how deeply it can shape how we turn out as people, and what actions we end up taking. Shulk could have gone down the same borderline murderous path Egil did, had he not been surrounded by those such as Reyn and Fiora, and had his views/motives meaningfully challenged.
Other than lysanderoth, I do think mephiles is a good option to explore, given how he's written(and while yes 06 is not an ideal game) I do think mephiles is one of the best villains to grace the franchise, def deserved better tbh.
That intro though.... all the feels...
I love your selection by the way!
I love that in a series where there are giant robot dinosaurs that can fire nuclear arms, one of the toughest bosses in it is just college football player who can rip the president in two...with his bare hands. And if you're gonna ask for a source for that statistic, let me assure you my source is I made it the f""" up.
I have to admit I've always loved Lysandre for his story and the way he sticks out compared to the other pokemon villains.
Guzma and Skull were such well written, sympathetic characters that by the end of the game, I had donned their shirt and were their top cheerleader. They were misguided, but were anything but evil, being more victims of the rank classism that existed in the islands of Alola, and boy did I feel for them. Easily the best group created in the entire series, and nothing exemplifies their relationship to the islands than the revolting manipulation Guzma encountered at the hands of Lusamine. It was subtle and enjoyable for a pokemon narrative, which is why it was promptly hurled out the 9th story window by Masuda for Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, for the sake of regurgitating boring old villains and ideas. BACK TO FORMULA, Pokemon, how DARE you try and become deeper?!
While Lusamine was a little ooc, Guzma going after Necrozama for clout is 100% in character
So, I've been playing Pokemon since Gen 1, and I honestly think Lysandre is one of the BEST Pokemon villains: You say he has cool ideas but bad execution, but Giovanni, Archie, Maxie, and i'd argue Cyrus (who is even more "END IS NIGH" then him) really have both basic generic motiviations AND execution. I think part of the issue is that his writing differs between the X and Y version: In X, he's as you describe, but in Y, his motivation is less about beauty and preservation and isn't tinged with classism, rather its him wanting to solve hunger and poverty as a former philanthropist, and wants to Thanos things so nobody is in need, which is more of a likeable goal then the goofy obsessions with beauty and wanting to wipe out the lower class. I think part of the problem is Team Flare as a whole: I'll defend Lysandre specifically, but the team theme and grunts are really goofy and hard to take seriously.
Yeah definitely, Lysandre is much different from his team. While he genuinely works, his team just doesn’t have the presence that the previous ones had. The trainers known as Admins don’t even have names. The Admines, aside from Xerosic, feel incredibly generic in comparison to previous team Admins, with nothing to really flesh them out compared to “Nice Guy” Petrel or the man who’s looks for his beloved leader Archer. Courtney had either a giddy or robotic demeanour, Tabitha is stuck up and obsessed with lording his adulthood, Matt is literally Archie’s bro, Shelly is phenomenally arrogant or a bratty lady of sorts. The Galactic admins all show great admiration and dedication to their boss in their own different ways, while Pluto is a greedy schemer with no loyalty to his team, using them for his own end. And let’s not get into Team Plasma, N is phenomenal
10:19 Well this makes even more sense because FFX is kind of interesting in that there's two main villains, one for Tidus and one for Yuna. Yuna's is Seymour and Tidus' is Sin/Jecht.
Tidus' and Jecht's story being all about how bad Jecht is at opening up to and being straightforward towards his son and how bad Tidus is at reading between the lines (in general really, not just with Jecht). It's told mostly through flashbacks though. Jecht himself isn't actually a villain though (an antagonist when Tidus was a little kid maybe but he matured during Braska's pilgrimage) and it was even because of his merged consciousness with Sin's that Tidus was even yanked out of Dream Zanarkand to join Yuna's pilgrimage.
my favorite villains/antagonists are EASILY Emet-Selch and Elidibus from Final Fantasy XIV, i love how they're empathetic villains who make you question if you're really doing the right thing and drive your understanding of the world.
"The soup is cold and the salad is hot... HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE?"
Is my favorite piece of Eggman dialogue.
I REALLY thought you were gonna talk about Hades, but, it wasn't meant to be...
Eggman works so well as a villain, I think it's his humanisation while being a goofy evil scientist that works so well
I have to argue against Eggman being a good example. He went such a drastic decline over the years. He used to be bombastic yet threatening in the Adventure games, then in Unleashed they began to make him goofier at the expense of his credibility. But in Colors, Generations and Lost World, he was ABSOLUTELY pathetic. A stupid joke no one takes seriously, surrounded by diet Scratch And Grounder except unfunnier and useless. His plans make no sense whatsoever. In Forces, they try to portray him as the winner, but he's still as incompetent if not even more irrelvant. And in Frontiers, he just doesn't do ANYTHING, as he's stuck. The whole father/daughter thing with Sage didn't work either because there was really nothing of substance to warrant any feels. So cut the "humanisation" bs please, especially in regards to those god-awful comics.
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I love what they've done with Eggman in Frontiers
So you love him being just whining and grumbling in the background, not contributing a damn thing to the plot, and a sappy, contrived "father/daughter" relationship that doesn't exist anyhwere outside of the audiologs ? Sonic fans are beyond lost lol
I’d like to see your take on Malos and Jin from Xenoblade 2. Just bc I saw them in the video and was disappointed you didn’t go into depth on them. Still loved the “Don’t get cocky you little shit” line
*I love when Mangakamen said "It's reviewin'' time!" and reviewed all over the Villains. Truly one of the videos of all time.*
LYSANDEROTH!
Also, I think you should cover the difference(s) between how Eastern and Western media are/were allowed to write villains. Western media such as comics and film had various codes to abide by (the Comics Code and Hayes Code) that prevented villains from being portrayed as sympathetic. Japan has different rules. It'd be interesting to see how they affected villain writing!
That’s true, but those codes didn’t apply to novels which are very important to western fiction.
@@thomasffrench3639 True that! Do you think the difference shows?
@@majoukrahe1437 definitely in kids media, but villains in adult media are pretty complex characters.
@@majoukrahe1437 and by kids media I also mean stuff that may appeal to both adults and kids like Star Wars or Back to the Future.
Villains are some of the most important characters in a story. I love the way they can take on so many different forms. One Villain I think is underated Is Altair from Re:creators a being who transcended her very story just to avenge her creator and how in a way she got something better in the end. Also she was a foe that could not lose.
One case I’d like to think about is Shin megami tensei, I’ve only played 3 and 5, but from those, I notice one major dilemma that can be hard with those games, how do you make all characters good and evil from different perspectives? I think SMT 5 failed at this because we didn’t get enough time to really understand them, while in 3, we got some time with each character for
Them to characterize themselves, especially because their motives weren’t established at the very end of the game
The best villain in this video is Raid: Shadow Legends, coming in from outta nowhere to sponsor our boy.
MangaKamen: Do you want to hear about good villans?
Me: Standing here I realize you are just like me trying to make history but who's to judge the right from wrong when our guard is down I think we'll both agree
I would enjoy more villain videos, they are very well put together!
He failed completely with the Eggman section.
Well there are great villains through fiction like for example Johan Libert from Monster, and Griffith from Berserk.
Johan and Griffith are manipulators and they do such horrible things, well Griffith on the other hand does horrible things to achieve his goal to attain a kingdom and Johan is nihilistic and kills people, because he just does it.
Ah yes... snapcube eggman...
truly a classic
Nah, overrated cringe and dead meme
There’s no villain in 10, only tragic characters that need to be put down for the good of the planet.
Seymour wanting every living beings to become unsent is a reaction to the suffering Sin causes, and the problem only arises when dissected, finding out that unsent become monsters, a society of unsents could not reproduce, and eventually, would turn into fiends.
Mika and Yunalesca genuinely want Sin to disappear, only, they’re disillusioned about it being possible, offering a temporary bandaid as the next best thing.
Jech is just controlled, so yeah.
Yu Yevon was planning to recreate Zanarkand after the war with Bevelle, but he lost his mind during Sin’s creation, and now only attacks instinctively large population centers due to the fear he had of advanced machinas Bevelle had at the time.
The party winning against Sin, isn’t due to abandoning Yevon’s teachings, but due to a series of very lucky events, starting with Jecht attacking dream Zanarkand, spurring the fayths into losing hope of the original plan, and aiding Tidus via Bahamut’s fayth, Jecht able to hear the hymn in order to make Sin weaker is also very important, and extremely hard to replicate. It was a series of fortunate coincidences, Yevon itself wasn’t taken seriously in the first 400 years (Ultimania), and you can clearly see that didn’t help vs Sin.
I think a fantastic example of the "man behind the curtain" type of villains is also one of my favorite villains in any media period: Sovereign from the first Mass Effect. There's not really much character to it, and it probably gets less than ten minutes of screen time, but holy crap is that screen time used effectively. It takes just one conversation to cement it as one of the single most imposing and threatening beings/characters I've ever seen in a video game, and that conversation might be the peak of that entire franchise IMO. Everything about Sovereign, from it's appearance basically being a several mile tall mechanical Lovecraftian horror from beyond the reaches of the known universe, to the plot revelations it drops on you with the significance of an orbital bombardment, to the TERRIFYINGLY cold and calculated way it dismisses all of civilization as being irrelevant and only exists because it ALLOWS it to, is bone chilling and insane. Like I said, it doesn't get much screen time, but its one of the only times any video game has made me sit up and say something to the effect of "Holy sh*t, how the hell are we expected to possible stop this thing?". One of the other examples of this is Grigori, the titular dragon of Dragon's Dogma. But with him, it was more due to his sheer presence and size being so significant that it genuinely feels like you're gonna get your as served to you when you fight him. Of course, that boss fight is absolutely one of my favorites in gaming, so that helps as well.
i dont think lyssande is any less bad villain than giovanni. latter is totally overrated and its because of nostalgia
I fear no man.
But that thing...
*Metal Gear Rising boss music starts playing*
It scares me.
21:48 Yea Sonic Team USA wasn't great at audio quality. Phantasy Star Universe didn't even have a stereo track in _2006_ (Stereo speakers were invented in the 1930s BTW)
I wonder if he will make a xenoblade villians video, their really good but I feel like 3 villains felt boring besides two
I wonder why there were spoiler warnings for Xenoblade 2 considering he never talked about it (directly) in this video, besides some clips without audio and a clip of Malos being hammy in chapter 1
They could have made Lysandre’s story about mortality and how things always fade away. Like how where Xerneas brings life, Yveltal always brings death. But it could also be about to you must enjoy that “beauty” while it’s still around.
I'd love more villain-themed videos! Villains are absolutely fascinating to me and there's something really fun to just listening to you discuss which you think work or don't and why. Great work!
Yes I made it to the end. No I'm not typing that out. Eggman is a great villain. So is Malos and Seymour. Heck.... over the many years I've grown very fond of Bowser. Originally I liked how cool he is.
A dragon turtle with a spiky shell is just awesome. Then as the game list he's in grow larger I started to respect him. I'm at the point where I'd rather play Bowser and kick Mario's butt. Maybe someday.
More videos about villains would be quite lovely. I'm looking forward to it.
Oh and of course...
LYSANDEROTH!!
(That was amazing).
Damn, I really did nail the prediction of this video's title, Sick!
the more of an impression a villain makes, the more memorable they tend to be
Personally, I think presentation matters more than motivation when creating a villain. But having both will make them an overall perfect character.
A Franchise that in my eyes has a wary big problem with Villians is Hyperdimension Neptune. The franchises main Villian, Arfoire is just...flat out bad. Especley because she never has any acual Karakter development because each time she appears its a diffrent version of her.
In the first game she was a former Hero corruptet by a evil power.
In the Second game, wich is a soft reboot fore the franchize, shes the Deity of Sin and dosnt even appear outside of the Final Boss, and unless youre in the Conquest ore True Ending, she dosnt even talk, shes just a rapaging monster.
The third game takes place in a other dimension and we learn NOTHING of this Arfoire except she hates CPUs and apperently is still the Deity of Sin but that title is never said. She ironicley has the most Karakter development as she becomes utterly demorelized by her constant defeats and becomes a Eggplant farmer, and she reappears a few years later, as still a farmer in Cyberdimension Neptunia 4 Godess Online, making her ironicly the only version of Arfoire too survive the game she appeardin.
In the forth game Arfoire is just a illusion, a duplicate of the original Arfoire but shes just...a generic, evil cackling witch, her most memroble scene is wary earley in the game.
And in the next main line game...well I dont know much about it except that its Arfoire is again from a paralel world invading the main timline. Wich BTW this is the third interdimensionol plot in a row.
As fore other Villians in Neptunia 2 we have the 4 CFWs devout worshippers of Arfoire and leaders of ASIC, the Arfoire Syndicate of Intelligent Crime. And there all wary broing. CFW Judge is just a raging Berserker wich a cool design. CFW Witch is just...generic evil zallot, thers nothing special too her. CFW Trick is probably the most hatet Karakter in the franchize....hes a pedophile and sees small children as his "Little cuties" that he wants too lick with his enormous tongue and mind control them. Hes just utterly revolting and I realy wonder what Compile Heart was thinking with him.
This brings us too the only good member of the CFW, CFW Brave, he ist even evil, he just genuenly thinks he is fighting fore a better future fore all the children of Gamindustry. Hes;...kinda an idiot but he is the most well written of the Villians in the second game.
Oh yeah theres also Linda and Warechu but there basicley team Rocket, just two reacurring Grunts.
In the Third game the antagonists are the Seven Sages, a group who...belives CPUs are unecessary? Yeah there overarching motivation is never fully revealed. The only one who we KNOW why shes doing what shes doing is Ray Rights, the CPU of the long gone Ancient Nation of Tari. She simply wants too destroy the CPUs as she sees CPUs as a severe danger too humanity, as she herself went berserk and destroyed her own Nation and she wants too prevent this from happening again and make humanity more independent from the Godesses. Sadly undermined by the fact Ray is a complete and utter nervous pushover. Despite being the "Leader" of the Sages shes a glorefied secretary and errand girl.
The other members are Copypaste, who is basicley just a big Robot who wants too smash stuff, until hes destroyed and now hes a kind heartet Robot who just wants too make friends. Anonydeath...hes Metaton but as a evil hacker in a big pink Power Suit, who has a unhealthey obesssion with Noire and stalks her wherever he can. Hes pretty much the acual Leader of the Sages and the only one treating Ray with any form of respect. Also its....arguable the two are acually married as they did raise a child together.
Then we have Mister Badd a greedy businesmann who only cares fore two things. Money, and his children. He IS a doting father but again we dont realy know anything about him except he yoused too be the Minister of Lowee and essentially Blancs right hand man.
Then we have Arfoire and Warechu who...pretty much are just comic relief. Arfoire even is utterly delurious fore a couple of years and like I said she ends up a Egg Plant Farmer. And then we have...Abnes........I have no bloody clue why Abnes is even part of this group. She wants too protect children and fore some reason thinks CPUs are evil....no explanation why. You acually can remove her from the story and nothing would change.
Now the 4 game...besides its version of Arfoire, Megadimension Neptunia VII has the best villians in the franchise. First we have the organisation AffimaX a information broker company lead by the Robot (?) Affimojas...and hes a big ass Otaku who loves Anime and the fine curves of 2D Ladys. And with him we have the Socially Awkward Robot Ninja who is afraid of girls Steamax and the two are...a genuenly wholspme duo, and its acually ehartbreaking see ther friendship fall apart when Affimojas starts pushing Steamax away so he isnt pulled into the machinations of the games main villian.
Speaking of said main villian we have Kurome. The first CPU of Planeptune and evil half of the new Karakter Uzume. Backstory. Uzume had the uncanny ability of making her drams and fantasys reality. But her powers went out of control and so she decided too seal herself away and erase all traces of her own existance. Now over the many years of being sealed away Uzume herself begann too forget what exactly happend. She begann too belive that she was betrayed by her poeple and unjustibley locked away. And so Uzuma split in two. Uzume herself lost all memories of who she is besides that she is a CPU and Kurome who worked on her grand revange plan. And Kurome is a realy good villian. Fore the most part we only see her as a bodyless voice, until the final act of the game. Kurome always speaks in a calm and...somwhat detached manner. As if she is somwhat bored but also amused by anything thats going on. Shes manipulatife and cenniving and she is in total control of the situation until the ending. Depending on wich ending you get both Uzume and Kurome die, altaugh in the True Ending its implied that Uzume and Kurpme reached a understanding and she lives on as a mere voice in Uzumes head.
Great video I would love if you did more videos on villians. I feel like Dracula from castlevania would be a great one since you were on the topic of how to humanize a villain