Long Barrel Pistols Explained - UK Gun Laws

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
  • What is a long barrel pistol or long barrel revolver? Why do we have them? What is that rod? Why is the barrel so long? We answer all these questions and explain exactly what a long barrel pistol is. Enjoy!
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  • @salthack
    @salthack 3 года назад +94

    I can see it now, thousands of years from now archeologists will dig up these pistols with rods in the UK and dig up AR15 pistol braces and mossberg shockwaves in the US and debate among each other on what the hell were these weapons and why did these ancient people make them so goofy looking.

    • @nexusofice9135
      @nexusofice9135 3 года назад +7

      They ended up digging them up in mass numbers because of the large amount of people who buried them for safe keeping. Lol

    • @DigitalArtisan77
      @DigitalArtisan77 3 года назад +4

      I think theyll assume we evolved arms last

    • @johnsmith2179
      @johnsmith2179 3 года назад +3

      the history channels gonna say the aliens gave us the technology for guns

    • @wanderingwonder111
      @wanderingwonder111 3 года назад +1

      Iirc medieval Germany had like 2' long "knives" because peasants couldn't own swords. I wonder if it will be viewed in the same light

    • @bigpep7987
      @bigpep7987 2 года назад

      mossberg shockwave 590s are not goofy. it's the closest you can legally get to a sawed off shotgun. they're badass looking and not even comparable to these long rod pistols lol

  • @LisaAnn777
    @LisaAnn777 6 месяцев назад +6

    Unless that rod off the grip is made of vibranium any criminal could cut it off, same with the barrel too.
    Its like the laws here in the US where rifle under 16" (18" for shotgun) is illegal without an extortion fee yet any criminal could cut their gun down so it doesnt stop law breakers.

  • @TheYjmfan
    @TheYjmfan 3 года назад +29

    I miss my Browning high power 9mm I used for practical pistol 😢

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +5

      At least I had the chance to own one here 😭

    • @TheYjmfan
      @TheYjmfan 3 года назад +2

      EnglishShooting I know I had to hand over 7 handguns 😢😢

    • @RNA0ROGER
      @RNA0ROGER 3 года назад +9

      @@TheYjmfan I would lose them in an unfortunate boating accident

    • @TheYjmfan
      @TheYjmfan 3 года назад

      @@RNA0ROGER brilliant
      😏

    • @derekp2674
      @derekp2674 3 года назад +1

      I used to have access to one of those as a club gun. Ours was set up for Service Pistol 1 and turned out to be very accurate with well tuned handloads.

  • @TheMcun02
    @TheMcun02 3 года назад +3

    I thought this was extremly well delivered and very informative, clear and precise..

  • @davidhorrocks2543
    @davidhorrocks2543 3 года назад +15

    and here I thought Demolition Ranch's 26" barrel .500 magnum was for comedy, but he was just trying to conform to UK handgun laws. LOL

  • @jimpayne8784
    @jimpayne8784 Год назад +1

    Thanks for an informative video.After a forty year hiatus from shooting I was wondering what these long barrelled pistols were about.

  • @nexusofice9135
    @nexusofice9135 3 года назад +33

    This make me want to import one of these pistols in this configuration. This is a perfect example of how laws end up hurting law abiding citizens instead of actually stopping criminals (who we can assume are what these laws are intended to stop). This is definitely a representation of those laws failing. But at the same time I am glade that British citizens have still found a way to legally enjoy shooting pistols in their country. Admittingly not without jumping through a few hoops.

    • @purplerocket4300
      @purplerocket4300 3 года назад +3

      I would like to import one of these too. It would give gun owners here a frightening reality check that this could happen to us in the US.

    • @ivanbluetarski9071
      @ivanbluetarski9071 Год назад

      i hope you didnt because surely that would be classed as a short barreled rifle according to the atf , funny how that works eh ?

    • @nexusofice9135
      @nexusofice9135 Год назад

      @@ivanbluetarski9071 just pay the Tax Stamp and get it over with. SBR all day long legally. And I doubt the rod would be considered a "stock" by ATF Standards. So SBR still wouldn't be an issue.

    • @ivanbluetarski9071
      @ivanbluetarski9071 Год назад

      @@nexusofice9135 you missed the point i was making . the contradiction between the two nations laws

    • @nexusofice9135
      @nexusofice9135 Год назад

      @@ivanbluetarski9071 the entire video is about laws. It means nothing owning one here. And as I said before. I don't think you would even be considered an SBR here anyways.

  • @derickpage5499
    @derickpage5499 3 года назад +5

    Ooh dear. I miss the good old days down the range. Practical shooting paper targets with the S&W. 45 acp and wooden skittle smashing. Now its shotguns and ok to kill game on the shoot. Strange times.

  • @eduardohermoso150
    @eduardohermoso150 2 года назад +5

    The long barreled pistols, weighted rod and the muzzle loading revolvers are all great ideas. We do not have these handgun restriction here but I would surely appreciate owning a long barreled revolver or a muzzle loading one. My hats off to the ingenuity and perseverance of gun lovers in the UK!!

  • @garysimpson3900
    @garysimpson3900 3 года назад +3

    Another anomaly relating to long barrel pistols is their use on military ranges. I am an FAC & Shotgun Certificate holder and member of a Home Office approved club that shoot exclusively on an MOD range in the north west of England. The Range Control Office have made it clear that while muzzle loading "cap & ball" pistols, under leaver rifles and .22 bolt action & semi auto rifles can be used on the 50 meter "pistol range", Long Barrel Pistols are prohibited. When queried the reason given was as follows: 1. This is an MOD range approved for firearms recognized & used by the military - bolt action/self loading rifles and conventionally designed handguns 2. The configuration of a Long Barrel Pistol (an artificially extended barrel & added grip extension to a conventional handgun) is not something recognized or used by the military 3. Because a Long Barrel Pistol is not recognized & used by the military it is prohibited from being used on MOD ranges. Have any other Long Barrel Pistol owners had a similar issue on MOD ranges?

  • @LiorIPSC
    @LiorIPSC 3 года назад +6

    Thanks for making this video Sir!

  • @gunwatcher81
    @gunwatcher81 3 года назад +10

    As an American gun owner curious about gun ownership in other countries , what sort of handguns were common or popular in the UK between 1988-1997?

    • @Scrump_Can
      @Scrump_Can 3 года назад +8

      CZ-75s, Browning hi-powers, 1911s, smith and wesson, colt and other revolvers, pistols were legal then so it was really whatever you could get your hands on

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      I'll have to defer to more 'experienced' members of the community on that one 😉

    • @stevechambers500V8
      @stevechambers500V8 3 года назад +1

      I had a S&W 686, a CZ-85 and a Walther GSP.

    • @horacesinclair1861
      @horacesinclair1861 Год назад +3

      I've met people who used to own pistols, and generally they owned exactly the same sorts of pistols that an american would have owned in the '80s and '90s.

    • @jonathanwheatley1424
      @jonathanwheatley1424 10 месяцев назад

      Just found out about owning this type of pistol in the UK, do you have to leave the guns at the club? Do you need some kind of insurance when joining a club?
      Is the sport quite popular?
      Literally just came back from visiting my lad who lives in the States and had a great time target shooting with guns from pistols to AR’s.
      I’d love to join a club if possible around my area (Chipping Norton)

  • @martinshaw5150
    @martinshaw5150 3 года назад +8

    Callum - great video as always! I’m just curious if you know of any reason, given the clubs you mentioned winning at court, why this wasn’t used as a stated case and the rules/legislation changed/trickled out to other clubs to follow suit??

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      Thanks Martin! I've asked the same question myself, to be honest I don't know. It has been explained to me before but I can't remember the technical explanation. I thought it would set an example, however if the police believe you're breaking the law they can take you to court even if they have lost in previous cases. Ultimately it would be down to the jury and the biggest question is if you what to take that risk.

    • @jimbaker4942
      @jimbaker4942 3 года назад

      @@EnglishShooting was it a High Court case, or Magistrates’ case? A High Court case would set a precedent but a Magistrates’ verdict would not.

  • @craigl813
    @craigl813 3 года назад +5

    Any news on the shield cz shadow pistol yet? Looked really good when you introduced it last year!

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      Not yet, I believe COVID has delayed things.

  • @sherlock9397
    @sherlock9397 3 года назад +4

    The only parts of the UK you can own a hand gun on section 1 is North Ireland the Channel Islands and the isles of man personally I believe that Jersey has the best gun laws in the UK with full bore semi auto rifles and hand guns on a FAC

    • @liammeech3702
      @liammeech3702 3 года назад +2

      Someone needs to do a vid on Jersey

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 3 года назад +6

    The point is to make it harder to conceal

  • @nickbitten6037
    @nickbitten6037 3 года назад +1

    Very interesting item there. Looking forward to end of lockdown as my shoulder is better now-.happy days! Keep smiling now.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      Thanks, you too!

    • @nickbitten6037
      @nickbitten6037 3 года назад

      @@EnglishShooting Cheers for the resp- i would like to try Practical shotgun, but clubs/grounds seem as rare as rocking horse pooh. Oh well, will have to continue with clays i guess. All the best.

  • @regularjoetac-gearshow6474
    @regularjoetac-gearshow6474 2 года назад +1

    I could see somebody pressing out, firing and pulling back in, the rod hitting their chest and pointing the muzzle right under their chin.

  • @cfroi08
    @cfroi08 Год назад +2

    That brace is so illegal in the US it's not even funny, the ATF could interpret this as a stock and you could go to jail for a LONG time.
    If gun laws had any logic to them they would be universal across the globe.

  • @ApurtureSci
    @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +7

    Technically 30cm / 60cm for the lengths, I've seen some S1 guns slightly under 24" but still over 60cm (just!)

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +2

      @@geezerp1982 Correct. Funny mix of imperial and metric in our licensing. 24" barrel for a 'normal' shotgun. 24" / 40" for a semi or pump, FAC or otherwise. 30cm / 60cm for Section 1 shotguns that aren't semi or pump. Here's what I want to know - how about a muzzle-loading shotgun (blunderbuss?) with an 8" barrel? No length restrictions on muzzle-loading so guess it'd be fine on an FAC.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +2

      Yep! I thought the same thing as I was editing the video 😆

    • @stuartperris7822
      @stuartperris7822 3 года назад +1

      @@EnglishShooting do you reckon they will ever relax the laws around handguns it seems like they should I would honestly rather not shoot then shoot that abomination just my opinion

    • @liammeech3702
      @liammeech3702 3 года назад

      @@ApurtureSci for section 2, is there an overall length req' in addition to the 24" barrel length rule?

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      @@liammeech3702 No, it's only pump-action and semi-auto shotguns (other than in .22 Rimfire), which must be 40" or more overall in addition to the 24" barrel. All other types, double barrel, lever-action, bolt-action etc. only require the 24" barrel, you could lop the stock off and they would still be legal on Section 2 although rather less useable! If someone were to make a bullpup shotgun that used a straight-pull or lever-action system, it could be very short with no overall length to meet besides the 24" barrel.

  • @TheArmedExile
    @TheArmedExile 10 месяцев назад

    It’s a great way to get around a ban that should never have been!

  • @stephenmaize5203
    @stephenmaize5203 3 года назад +1

    This is a wonderful video

  • @fuellifetv2934
    @fuellifetv2934 Год назад

    Another great video… So on your firearms do you have to put down for a 22lr long barrelled pistol or 22lr rifle

  • @5euk
    @5euk 2 года назад +1

    So if you have an air rifle/pistol with a 12 inch barrel, but the overall length is a few inches shy of 24 inches due to a folding stock, can you replace the folding stock with a fixed stock to then exceed 24 inches to then be able to make it FAC ?

  • @CastleVaniak
    @CastleVaniak 3 года назад +1

    They look cool for movie props

  • @connor2dap884
    @connor2dap884 3 года назад +2

    love my walther 1911 lbp

  • @stevemedlock6271
    @stevemedlock6271 5 месяцев назад

    Hi Callum, I'm assuming those court cases didn't establish a legal precedent?

  • @humantruckjack423
    @humantruckjack423 10 месяцев назад +1

    Thank God i live in Texas

    • @CzechShooter
      @CzechShooter 8 месяцев назад

      Thank God I live in Czechia... The Texas of Europe 😂

  • @steveedwards4495
    @steveedwards4495 3 года назад +2

    Good vid bud, so to be clear, the only available calibre for semi auto LBRs is 22 rim fire? 9mm. 357. 38 is OK but for revolvers only? One other newb question-is an LBR more accurate with the longer barrel than the non LBR version. Always assumed it would be. Also, I assume muzzle loaders are available in all calibres and don't have to be 24" in length?. Cheers mate

    • @derekp2674
      @derekp2674 3 года назад +5

      Steve, I'm no longer an active shooter, but you are right that, as Section 1 firearms in GB, .22 (or other smaller) rimfire cartridges are the only allowed chamberings for semi auto rifles and long pistols. Centre fire cartridges are allowed for single shots and mechanical repeaters (including revolvers). Muzzle loading arms are not subject to these restrictions, so the shooting of both antique and reproduction muzzle loading revolvers is still allowed under section 1.
      As regards accuracy, I've not shot any of these modern long pistols, but I would expect them to be more accurate by virtue of a longer sight base, if traditional open iron sights are used. But beyond that, in regular pistol shooting contests, most decent target pistols will shoot much more accurately than the average shooter can shoot them, from a free standing position. So given the inaccuracies introduced by the shooter, there did not use to be much incentive having for long pistol barrels back in the old days. The one obvious exception to that would have been long range pistol shooting, where long barrels would have allowed higher muzzle velocities and thus flatter trajectories. Telescopic sights were also allowed in many classes there.

    • @steveedwards4495
      @steveedwards4495 3 года назад +2

      Thanks Derek. Really in depth thorough reply. Cleared a few things up. When things normalise a bit, will look into joining a club 👍

  • @Andykerrfield
    @Andykerrfield Месяц назад

    Would the longer barrel have an affect on the guns power? I'm thinking it would increase..🤔

  • @buckshotaaa
    @buckshotaaa Месяц назад

    When i had to surrender my S&W .44 magnum revolver and my Springfield 9mm Semi-auto pistol back in the late 90's, that was it for me regarding handgun shooting.
    Same old story, law abiding shooters suffer while the criminals just carry on regardless.
    What a world we live in, i despair.🤢

  • @vincentwieser
    @vincentwieser 3 года назад +1

    So i guess criminals dont have hacksaws. Lol

  • @MOCKACHINO
    @MOCKACHINO 3 года назад +2

    So long since I've seen you film without being on stream. Oh do I miss the quality of the camera on recording.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      I made a video last week..... 😝

    • @MOCKACHINO
      @MOCKACHINO 3 года назад

      @@EnglishShooting well shit...

    • @MOCKACHINO
      @MOCKACHINO 3 года назад

      @@EnglishShooting oh yeah, the BASC one. I skipped it since I've had an ear full of it for many months and I did it the first month it was announced.

  • @ClaymateDesigner
    @ClaymateDesigner 3 года назад +1

    Love my GSG 1911... LBP

  • @martynbr5
    @martynbr5 3 года назад +2

    Hello mate just out of interest did you get your fac and sgc back. Cheers

  • @FinalLugiaGuardian
    @FinalLugiaGuardian 3 года назад +2

    I have a question that perhaps you could do a future video on Callam.
    Now that the UK has left the EU, are there any restrictions on firearms that were lifted due to EU law not applying any longer?

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +8

      UK gun laws are far worse than the EU firearms directives in most regards.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +2

      It's a good idea, watch this space. I would most likely expand it to will leaving the EU be better or worse for UK gun owners. My feeling is better, we've already dodged the lead ban for example.

    • @liammeech3702
      @liammeech3702 3 года назад

      I remember reading a while back that the Conservatives wanted to extend the Shotgun Certificate time to 10 years.
      The EU's EFD blocked it, so maybe that will happen then

  • @Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968
    @Gary-Seven-and-Isis-in-1968 3 года назад

    Just to clarify a point here, if you own a long pistol with that bar thing on the grip it would measure 24 inches in length and would be classified as a riffle.
    But if then you attached a T Bar style butt sock to that bar thing, (imagine a Sten for example) it would still be a riffle?
    So what if that barrel was totally smooth bore?
    I'm guessing that because that smooth bore barrel is less than 24 inches it would be illegal for not being riffled?
    It is almost like some kind of magical significance is given to the number 24.

    • @wanderingwonder111
      @wanderingwonder111 3 года назад

      Not from the UK, but my understanding is they don't have SBR laws. Adding a stock is perfectly legal, but they want to make it handle like a pistol

  • @dylnb137
    @dylnb137 3 года назад +2

    I’m planning on getting a license soon. I really want a revolver, but I don’t wanna get one if I need that stick on the end to by pass the law. Are their any large revolvers so I can just stick a suppressor on the end.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      The new Chiappa Bluntline but I think it's only in .22lr, you might be better off with an Alan Westlake muzzle loader.

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      You can get an Uberti Buntline which has an 18" barrel and therefore no rod out back. I have one in .44 Mag and it's great fun.

    • @dylnb137
      @dylnb137 3 года назад

      I’ve just been looking at the alpha proj 357 muzzle loader. Very nice gun. It’s pretty much the same as the Alan west lakes

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад

      @@dylnb137 It's Alan Westlake that makes the muzzle-loading versions of the Alfa.

    • @hetrodoxly1203
      @hetrodoxly1203 3 года назад

      You could go for black powder, cap & ball.

  • @Texan_Patriot
    @Texan_Patriot 3 года назад +3

    I daily carry a Ruger LCP .380 with 2 15 rd mags, my 5.25" Springfield XDm stays in the car with 2 25 rd mags, and my 18" semiautomatic shotgun stays by my headboard.😎👌
    And since Texas is king, we are a Constitutional Carry state....no need for stupid licenses.😎👍
    Also : we can own suppressors, as long as they're made in Texas, not crossing Federal lines, or as long as it's registered with the ATF if it is shipped act
    Ross state lines....😎👌

  • @geraldreynolds9650
    @geraldreynolds9650 3 года назад +1

    Callum.I can see its the way to be able to own and shoot these pistols but really i feel they negate the whole purpose of a handgun.I used to shoot PPC in South Africa for many years and owned lots of different firearms.But competition wise i used Colt 1911's in .45 ACP .Also you needed to carry in S.A. Otherwise you could be in trouble if you didnt have a handgun on you.Luckily i never had to shoot mine but i did have to produce it on two occasions and the perpetrators instantly changed there minds.

    • @jinksomiabodyart3189
      @jinksomiabodyart3189 3 года назад

      That would be the whole point of HM Govt. To negate the handgun and its use. People get discouraged to won an item that is pointless and a bunch of dumb regulations make it even harder, more onerous.

  • @samsniper2000
    @samsniper2000 3 года назад +1

    Question about muzzle loading revolvers, is it possible to purchase a seperate cylinder for them and load multiple for faster reloads? Like just swapping the cylinder

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      Yes, this is done quite a lot. You'd just have to justify why you need them.

    • @greggv8
      @greggv8 Год назад

      @@EnglishShooting "Because timed target shooting events look silly when times for more than 6 targets are measured in minutes."

  • @johnfarscape
    @johnfarscape 3 года назад +16

    Trying to train for 3 gun I almost lost an eye when I dropped to take a kneeling shot with my shotgun and somehow managed to catch my pistol on a barricade catapulting the pointy rod up into my face and into my eye socket just skimming under my glasses, personally I think it's a stupid law based on making it difficult for a firearm to be easily concealed if it was to be used in a crime, Its not like if a criminal managed to steal a long barreled pistol he couldn't use a hacksaw to cut the stupid coathanger off.

    • @MOCKACHINO
      @MOCKACHINO 3 года назад +3

      That is such a safety issue for us that requires us to basically re-evaluate stage design because of them.

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 3 года назад +2

      Don't kneel to fire a shot gun. Its not a toy and you're not avoiding incoming fire.

    • @johnfarscape
      @johnfarscape 3 года назад +2

      @@julianshepherd2038 you don't have a choice, it's the stage rules, you have to kneel to fire from a hole in a board representing a hole in a barrier, you also have to lean out and fire to the right of the board and lean out to the left and fire offhand, this also poses a problem with the pistols coathanger jabbing you in the ribs. As your on timer you are trying to do all this as fast as you possibly can.
      You make sure you have no snag points on your kit that could cause you to get caught up and possible trip and fall, the coathanger is actually a real safety risk.

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 3 года назад +1

      @@johnfarscape well stop playing around. You ain't in the military so what is the point apart from playing soldiers?

    • @jimmehjiimmeehh9748
      @jimmehjiimmeehh9748 3 года назад +1

      @@johnfarscape Not going to lie, the whole 3 gun stuff is stupid enough when the yanks do it, why bother doing it at all with a pop-gun that has a coat hanger welded to the back of it?

  • @ElshadKarbasi
    @ElshadKarbasi Год назад +3

    Pathetic that the British shooting community has totally surrendered for the last 25 years. Absolutely insane that even rimfire pistols are Section 5. There needs to be a campaign to repeal the Firearms (Amendment) Act No.2 1997.

    • @sn4ketooth220
      @sn4ketooth220 5 месяцев назад

      most british shooters are fudds tho
      either old farmers or rich royals

  • @martinclaxton344
    @martinclaxton344 3 года назад

    Did you get your FAC back? I heard something to the effect of that you lost it a while back.

  • @AEtrane
    @AEtrane Год назад

    Can you run a stock instead of that goofy rod? At least it would be functional

  • @DaxOrlom
    @DaxOrlom 2 года назад

    So are Pistol Caliber Carbines available in the UK? Like Sub 2000s or Beretta cx4 storm?

  • @purplerocket4300
    @purplerocket4300 3 года назад +1

    Is it legal for someone without any license to shoot an LBP? Say if they have a friend that owns one, can they let them shoot it? Or at least hold it?

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      General consensus is that the club exemption doesn't cover these so they cannot be shared or shot by anyone else. As for holding, some people say you can't even touch them, but that's ridiculous to me. Touching is not the same as shooting or possessing a gun. How are you meant to decide to buy a gun if you can't touch it beforehand?

    • @varney2010
      @varney2010 3 года назад

      @@ApurtureSci Even someone with the identical LBR or LBP on their certificate isn't allowed to shoot or even handle one belonging to somebody else. Crazy, I know. I have both and it's frustrating not being able to let new members have a go with them.

  • @greggv8
    @greggv8 2 года назад

    What caliber would be allowed for a Savage 1899 or Model 99 lever action rifle?

  • @connorbutters8479
    @connorbutters8479 3 года назад +1

    does it cost more to have an integral suppressor on an LBP?

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      Usually it does due to the extra components required

  • @MrJmak223
    @MrJmak223 3 года назад

    Where did you get the green Ruger from, any more info on that? Also couldn't see in the video but does it have a longer barrel so no rod needed, like a Buntline?

    • @hotshot8365
      @hotshot8365 3 года назад +1

      He’s done a video on it, check his playlist, probably within the last year. Think he got it from the same place that does the S&W uk revolvers. -edit it’s the ballistic arms Ruger Mark IV, company doesn’t exist anymore and he thinks it’s the only example in the country.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      Here's the video on it 🙂
      ruclips.net/video/NJVF3YsRdjQ/видео.html

  • @Danny-outside
    @Danny-outside Год назад

    I know it not really a gun I got air pistol it come under Firearms but I was wondering what is the law of I convert it to rifle because I want to put the power up to 11.5 fpe it pp700 with the Folding stock and silencer.

  • @brettduffy1992
    @brettduffy1992 2 года назад

    I take it a private security firm that guards a a marina or shippingport could probably have a section 5

  • @meee175
    @meee175 Год назад +1

    I'm curious. With all the rods, did gun violence go down because it was harder to conceal or did the criminals just remove them because they are in fact criminals.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  Год назад +2

      An LBP has never been used in crime, firearm offences increased after the ban of normal handguns and still today the largest proportion of offences are committed with handguns.

    • @meee175
      @meee175 Год назад +1

      @EnglishShooting It's a shame you guys get legislated to death for the acts of unlawful people. Similar direction our laws in the US are going. Specifically in the state I live in, Washington, every year more laws are dropped, crime continues to rise and their solution is more laws. Fortunately for Americans, if they try to ban a gun we currently own, we will not turn them in. This isn't Canada or Australia. 🇺🇸🙏

  • @ColonizerChan
    @ColonizerChan 3 года назад +2

    I've seen this before, man I kinda like the aesthetic

    • @Texan_Patriot
      @Texan_Patriot 3 года назад

      No....you don't. Nobody with two brain cells to rub together does.🤣👌

  • @davidmaddison2628
    @davidmaddison2628 3 года назад

    Isn't the rear extension dangerous? You could poke your eye out.

    • @PabloTBrave
      @PabloTBrave 3 года назад

      Less dangerous than the other end ( in the wrong hands)

    • @purplerocket4300
      @purplerocket4300 3 года назад

      Not only that, you can lose control over where you're shooting at if that rod gets caught on something or gets knocked. It's a definite safety hazzard.

  • @ftswarbill
    @ftswarbill 3 года назад

    My PLR-16 handgun almost meets that, it's 21 inches of NATO 5.56 fun! Even by installing a little 3 inch rod I doubt they would be allowed in the UK. Any thoughts on the matter?

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      We can't have semi-autos in anything other than .22 Rimfire, so no. There are a few of the Keltec CMR30s over here though, since .22 is legal.

  • @midlifecrisis7888
    @midlifecrisis7888 3 года назад

    Can you put a stock on it instead of that goofy rod ?? Greetings from Texas

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      You could, but the LBP is trying to be as close to a handgun as possible.

  • @thechuckennoris5751
    @thechuckennoris5751 3 года назад +1

    What about just slapping as stock instead of the brace coathanger, does it become a rifle?
    That being said it's already a grey area but if the back had a use...

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      Then it would just be a rifle, the point of these is that they handle somewhat like a handgun, as close as we can get anyway.

    • @dogguy8603
      @dogguy8603 3 года назад

      Why comply?

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      @@dogguy8603 Because I don't really fancy spending a few years in prison?

    • @dogguy8603
      @dogguy8603 3 года назад

      @@ApurtureSci why said go to prison? Resist tyranny

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +5

      @@dogguy8603 And how would you go about that? I'm not sure you understand this country. 99% of the public are anti-gun.

  • @andrewclaxton6446
    @andrewclaxton6446 3 года назад +1

    Still no wiser,what's the idea & purpose behind making a handgun 24" long with a rod & longer barrel.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      Please see video above 😆

    • @andrewclaxton6446
      @andrewclaxton6446 3 года назад +1

      @@EnglishShooting Yeah done so twice 😀 Still doesn't give a reason why adding a rod & longer barrel now makes it a rifle, when infact it's a handgun with a rod & longer barrel 😀 Crazy

    • @andrewclaxton6446
      @andrewclaxton6446 3 года назад

      @@geezerp1982 So it's not a rifle but a handgun with a rod 😀

    • @ApurtureSci
      @ApurtureSci 3 года назад +1

      @@andrewclaxton6446 it doesn't matter what you call it, the point is that it is long enough to be outside of the 'short firearm' ban.

    • @andrewclaxton6446
      @andrewclaxton6446 3 года назад +1

      @@ApurtureSci But the function of a handgun with a rod & longer barrel is the same as without,so what's the point.

  • @joshuaradick5679
    @joshuaradick5679 3 года назад +1

    This is kind of like our SBR laws in the states. Does it actually keep anyone safe? No, but politicians like to think it does something.

    • @johnfarscape
      @johnfarscape 3 года назад +2

      I couldn't keep track of the pistol brace laws for rifles, at one point you were a felon for bracing a pistol brace against your shoulder then you had to use a stock and put it against your shoulder . . SBR laws hurt my head 😬

    • @joshuaradick5679
      @joshuaradick5679 3 года назад +3

      @@johnfarscape It’s not illegal to do that, but the manufacturer needs to make it clear that wasn’t the intended use, and only show it being used as intended in marketing.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +2

      100%!

    • @johnfarscape
      @johnfarscape 3 года назад

      @@joshuaradick5679 I know some youtubers got into some trouble a while ago for using a brace for a stock, tbh though it doesn't seem like youtube need much of a reason to give shooting channels a hard time, Kirsten Joy Weiss actually covered a bit about the pistol brace stock or not stock in one of her recent videos and it just seems like such a silly law. . .

  • @doomfathertm8771
    @doomfathertm8771 3 года назад

    Are there any ranges in the Surrey area where I can use my shotgun on steel targets ? I want to practice 3 guy type shotgun shooting but all there is near me are clay shooting grounds

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      Kentucky Firearms Club do this all the time at Bisley

    • @doomfathertm8771
      @doomfathertm8771 3 года назад

      @@EnglishShooting I live 5 minutes from Bisley :O

    • @doomfathertm8771
      @doomfathertm8771 3 года назад

      @@EnglishShooting I have sent them a message, thanks.

  • @azarmahmood7711
    @azarmahmood7711 3 года назад +1

    section is clombo jumbo extremely difficult impossible regards azar

  • @joshuatoler1965
    @joshuatoler1965 2 года назад

    yeah i’m sure the criminals are following that law too. younger brother had a friend who lives there he came over for a bit and he just about lost his mind seeing me walk around with a glock 23 holstered at the dinner table.

  • @sherlock9397
    @sherlock9397 3 года назад

    We all love guns here and let’s face it the mainland will never have gun laws like north Ireland and the Channel Islands, our opinions are move to north Ireland or the Channel Islands, move to Europe either Czech Republic or Switzerland or move to America, unless anyone has any other suggestions that’s all I can think off

  • @jacksonandbowenwatch4163
    @jacksonandbowenwatch4163 3 года назад +2

    Wait till east london finds out 😳😳😳

  • @in_car_nation6377
    @in_car_nation6377 3 года назад +8

    I just love the fact that all the ever increasing licence tightenings and their wordings to restrict the legal law abiding firearm owner has had any impact on firearms crime or illegal handguns in their true form in the United Kingdom.
    Too much knee jerk reaction by those who we apparently voted into power.
    The amount of jobs that could be created if we relaxed ownership of now out of reach items.
    No we are not a gun culture, but we are adults and if we are prepared to jump through all the hoops and play the long waiting game for that sec1 or sec2 then at least trust us and allow us to enjoy firearms as the sporting equipment we use them for and not referring to them as weapons 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

  • @andrewsj031281
    @andrewsj031281 3 года назад +4

    And this is why I will never shoot a pistol in UK... They look absolutely horrible

    • @joshuaradick5679
      @joshuaradick5679 3 года назад

      The green ruger looks kind of cool in its own way, but I'd hate the rod.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +4

      I agree, the are ridiculous but I think we're cutting our noses off by not using them because of that.

    • @andrewsj031281
      @andrewsj031281 3 года назад +1

      @@EnglishShooting I know what you mean. It's just I've shot handguns before. When I lived in Spain I had a CZ75 and I just can't get my head around it. There are other options here, I love practical shotgun and mini rifle and like lever action rifles so I have other fire arms on which to focus

    • @redeye118
      @redeye118 3 года назад

      So you only want to shoot because it looks good ?

    • @andrewsj031281
      @andrewsj031281 3 года назад +3

      @@redeye118 No. I simply don't want to shoot something that looks a combination of hideous and ridiculous, especially when I have a number of other very good options.

  • @tombrocklebank5848
    @tombrocklebank5848 3 года назад +1

    How come you shoot the rhino with your left thumb up instead of foreword? It looks quite uncomfortable

    • @JammyGuns
      @JammyGuns 3 года назад +1

      The bore axis is on the bottom of the cylinder on Rhinos. It's advisable to move your thumb elsewhere to avoid the escaping gases from the cylinder gap.

    • @tombrocklebank5848
      @tombrocklebank5848 3 года назад

      @@JammyGuns that makes sense now

    • @redeye118
      @redeye118 3 года назад

      Because it's a revolver

  • @ianfarquharson3772
    @ianfarquharson3772 3 года назад +2

    Would look cool if you had your name,logo or something bent into the bar used to extend it to legnth!

  • @JammyGuns
    @JammyGuns 3 года назад +4

    I personally came to the conclusion over time that, though the looks are ruined with LBPs/Rs, the unique shooting experience they offer on the range is what matters.
    If you had 2 Lee Enfields - one painted pink with My little Pony stickers etc all over it but in otherwise good mechanical condition, vs another that looked normal but with the bore completely shot out and so unable to hit the broadside of a barn, then personally I'd choose the former to shoot all day... Yes the looks with LBPs/Rs are a lost cause, they are ruined. No argument here. However it's on the range where some models are capable of delivering a cartridge fed pistol-like experience in .22 or centrefire for revolvers. An experience that is otherwise utterly unavailable on the mainland within the remits of Section 1.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад +1

      This has to be the best explanation of exactly how I feel. Experiencing 30% of how handguns shoot is better than 0%.

  • @kingkong81icloud
    @kingkong81icloud Год назад

    I want a long barrel for my half scale 1911

  • @outthereadventures.
    @outthereadventures. 3 года назад +9

    I really hope they change that law, very silly :(

    • @outthereadventures.
      @outthereadventures. 3 года назад +2

      @Luke Ellis same man - maybe this channel should start a petition. I’d sign.

  • @patreck1969
    @patreck1969 2 года назад +1

    I feel so bad for firearm enthusiast over seas. I'm sorry the only guns you're allowed to own are a bit embarrassing. I'm sorry you can't have the freedom to own that latest and greatest.

  • @Fivegunner
    @Fivegunner 3 года назад +1

    Can you use that for hunting in the UK? For example Taurus 44 Mag LBR is has more than enough power to hunt medium to large game.

  • @peteraugust5295
    @peteraugust5295 2 года назад

    Imagine one would not care about laws and just cut off the excess material? That would be crazy, wouldnt it?
    I still dont get that so many people do not realize that putting restirctions on law abiding people does not stop criminals from beeing criminals.

    • @oliverlong8493
      @oliverlong8493 Год назад

      But it does in 2021 there were only 35 homicides committed by shooting in England and wales. according to the Firearm Crime Statistics: England & Wales

    • @peteraugust5295
      @peteraugust5295 Год назад

      @@oliverlong8493 wow, what a surprise. In an abandonce of firearms, murders are commited by other means... Surprised pikkachu.jpg
      I guess you are talking about the same england and wales where the murder rate increased quite a bit over the last 5-10 years?
      Also the same england in wales in which the murder rate is much higher then in se
      Switzerland, czech republic or Austria, where literally anyone can buy firearms? Are you talking about this england and wales, or are you just to blind to fact check your own bullshit?

  • @ekuLy_42
    @ekuLy_42 4 месяца назад +2

    Hmm, Cleaver but kind shows the incompetence of UK's law makers...

  • @kristopherknapp1707
    @kristopherknapp1707 2 года назад

    So why not just put a stock on them?

  • @EnglishShooting
    @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

    What do you think? Worth putting up with the rod and long barrel or should we not bother?

    • @williambinions4205
      @williambinions4205 3 года назад +1

      One word. HACKSAW 😂😁

    • @gregsmith7261
      @gregsmith7261 3 года назад

      I put up with my .357 Taurus by bench shooting with scope and bipod out to 150yrds no problem, Its quite satisfying pinging the gongs at that distance with a revolver.

    • @hotshot8365
      @hotshot8365 3 года назад +1

      A Westlake .357 with as many cylinders as possible for me. You can get speed loaders for the powder and with time/cooperation with the shellhouse bullet company they can make bullet heads that push fit your cylinders so no bullet press thing needed at the range. No you can’t shoot practical with it but it scratches the itch of shooting a pistol in the UK without resorting to.... that.

    • @mahrufurrahman9759
      @mahrufurrahman9759 3 года назад +4

      Repeal part 2 of the firearms act 1997. It is a useless law. In fact repeal both firearms act 1997 part 1 and firearms act 1988. Very useless laws.

    • @joshuaradick5679
      @joshuaradick5679 3 года назад +1

      You do what you have to do, but it seems like the ship has sailed on a lot of the cool kit.

  • @russellshortridge7977
    @russellshortridge7977 2 месяца назад

    They need to change their laws

  • @dapperwounded
    @dapperwounded 3 года назад

    I want one for my ruger 57

  • @tristanmorgan852
    @tristanmorgan852 3 года назад +1

    Dunblane has records redacted for over a hundred years witch is a very strange fact for you all

  • @therealhardrock
    @therealhardrock 8 месяцев назад

    2:06 Lara Croft is known for her twin handguns and being British. But realistically, there's no way she could legally own those guns in the UK, is there? The arsenal that she has in the 2 Angelina Jolie movies is far beyond what any ordinary citizen of the UK is allowed to have, right?

  • @lord3464
    @lord3464 3 года назад

    It’s clearly because it has a suppressor ok guys

  • @Thequietgamer0
    @Thequietgamer0 2 месяца назад

    I am in germany and thought we had strict laws 😂😂

  • @sebastianhabel7312
    @sebastianhabel7312 3 года назад +1

    You guy should make the best out of the long barrel pistol stuff, like this fellow: He designed himself a chassis that turns his Browning Buck Mark into a futuristic looking bullpub carbine.
    ruclips.net/video/XMWqJlqLR68/видео.html

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  3 года назад

      He also did this, us Brits can be pretty innovative when needed ruclips.net/video/sU5qtmvwftY/видео.html

  • @flyerh
    @flyerh 2 года назад

    What is the logic on not being able to let someone else to shoot? No guesses please just facts,thanks.

    • @EnglishShooting
      @EnglishShooting  2 года назад

      There are specific exemptions in law which allow you to share other firearms, no exemption exist for long barrel pistols, long barrel revolvers and section 1 shotguns. It’s not specifically prohibited, just no legal mechanism to allow you to do it.

  • @damienowens6983
    @damienowens6983 Год назад

    I wonder how many illegal guns there are in the UK? Where those who say the law is BS and, just got what they wanted illegally. But, won't ever use them in crimes. Only to say screw this, I'll own what I want.

  • @Kalleri13
    @Kalleri13 11 месяцев назад

    Thumbs up to you who still shot even though you have to put up with probably the worst gun laws in Europe!

  • @konradjurgiewicz3598
    @konradjurgiewicz3598 2 года назад

    I feel sorry for you guys.

  • @TheSovietWombat
    @TheSovietWombat 3 года назад

    these laws make no sense all they do is make is hard for the person using, not less deadlier or more deadlier i could pump off 6 shots from a revolver at a person in under 2 seconds even with a arm brace and long barrel and secondly all the barrel does is it increases the bullets velocity there fore making it more likely in going through armour

  • @kennethbrantley9582
    @kennethbrantley9582 5 месяцев назад

    I think highly of you. But why don't you get out of England And come to America? You would be free here. I live in Tennessee. I would welcome you here.

  • @josephstalin6913
    @josephstalin6913 2 года назад +2

    So buy a pistol and cut it down? Free men don’t ask permission

    • @Geezerthunder
      @Geezerthunder 2 года назад

      Probably not bro but u could check

    • @captainadams8565
      @captainadams8565 2 года назад

      If you did that in the UK you wouldn't be free men for long.

  • @MegaPontoon
    @MegaPontoon 2 месяца назад +1

    This country is a joke regarding guns

  • @williamthegunnut3839
    @williamthegunnut3839 2 года назад +1

    Fascism

  • @cryingtree974
    @cryingtree974 3 года назад +6

    Sucks to be British

  • @jdmhistorychannel1123
    @jdmhistorychannel1123 3 года назад

    I feel so bad for the english..

  • @ardoxmotoracing2276
    @ardoxmotoracing2276 2 года назад

    People who ask question like "what the hell is that?" Should have licence revoke. Owning pistol is very serious matter. Is a hudge privilege NOT a right to own fire arm licence and showing extremely high level of trust from local services to the person that have being given that privilege. Behind every decision and regulations is a reason and is very important to understand that reason. Advice for people from abroad : check reason for that regulations before starting comment. A.N

  • @drsnooker1776
    @drsnooker1776 11 месяцев назад

    Screw gun control.

  • @rcboys6939
    @rcboys6939 Год назад

    Nice milguass

  • @Urbanspacefox
    @Urbanspacefox 3 года назад

    British ingenuity to a tee... looks f**k ugly... but it gets the job done!