In the US you can actually now get the Lamzu for $90 from Addice and Amazon (might even be free shipping with Prime). So the price difference isn't as harsh in US. Get whatever is cheaper. If the price is equal for both, I'd still recommend the XM2we, but not as heavily.
Zowie needs to take note. EGG basically made the same mouse as Zowie's new wireless mice in terms of specs while also being significantly lighter and almost half the price
@@ThotsAndPrayers that being said the sensor game is really getting really competitive lately and the sensors are almost near accurate that it hardly makes a difference. Its that good now imo but still it can be much better as time goes
@@ThotsAndPrayers Yeah, well, if you are not succeeding with a PAW 3370, you won't get ahead with a PAW 3395 either. Because if the manufacturer didn't screw up the SROM or lens, it's pratically irrelevant which one you choose.
at this point youre my favorite mouse reviewer. you covered everything I wanted to know and stuff I thought you werent going to talk about. I hope you'll be covering the XM2W
Endgame- Optical switches and 3370 sensor for 80 bucks (10 bucks more than the xm1r) Zowie- Satisfying huano blues and 3370 for 150 bucks usd… Shows how smart these companies are.
the only reason you'd ever buy the zowie is if you want wireless in a lan. the stability should theoretically be better on the zowie, but then again, you could just plug it in and solve that lol
@@Masoch1st " the stability should theoretically be better on the zowie" zero reason for that. and not like this problem has ever existed to begin with.
@@Masoch1st Just because Zowie convinced you so and it has a big ass receiver? Testing should give the answer, not just marketing. I don't think it will make any difference, and even if it did it wouldn't be significant.
@@nothingness863 you aren't too bright are you? Yes it is a problem that exists. You wanna test polling stability in a room full of 200 computers with phones and all kinds of 2.4ghz frequencies everywhere? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about so kindly stfu
I'm enjoying the content as of late being more detail oriented. Things like DPI deviation personally isn't news to me, but what is really interesting is how DPI deviation is effected by certain mouse pads. I'd like to believe that companies such as Zowie have been using the same sensor, even in their new wireless mice, possibly due to the sensor's consistency in DPI deviation. Or the more obvious reason being cost, however, I feel like a lot of us who watch your content would be really interested in seeing DPI values of classic mouse/mousepad combos in e sports like the ec2a on a QcK+, GSR, GPX on a g640, DAV3 on a Gigantus V2 etc
i dont mind paying a little bit more for the xm2w but for 80 bucks, i really think not alot of mice compete against it. If you like the shape for a good price, I see why not to grab one for yourself
surprised the xm2we has heavier clicks than the Atlantis, when the Atlantis clicks feel so clunky in comparison to the xm1r. main reason (and the premium coating) on why i went back to the xm1r. really enjoy the Atlantis but the xm1r still reigns supreme over it. hoping the next iteration of the xm2w goes back to the light click feel of the xm1r or i might look into the next iteration of the vaxee wireless
@@natramizhchelvan9004 I'm using the G Pro X Superlight and I'm happy with the shape, but there's something wrong with my mouse wheel so I want to replace it. I hold claw grip so I don't know if xm2we will suit me. Also, latency values are important to me
Viper Mini wireless if it ever gets released is probably gonna have the same internals in it as the V2 pro and cost $150 and you'll want a 4K dongle for it too. Don't see why they wouldn't just do it this way.
I would say of all the mice I use (GPX, Starlight 12, Xlite V2, Aria, Orochi) this is by far the highest quality mouse of them all. I'm genuinely shocked at how much nicer this feels compared to my GPX. It's really a fantastic mouse, I do wish I had 2k or 4k polling and the clicks are a bit stiffer than what I'm used to (despite enjoying stiffer clicks and modding all my mice to have 8.0s) but I don't think these are really even drawbacks. For the price rolling in at under 100 bucks before shipping it's hands down the best mouse on the market right now.
With how long they took to release a wireless version of the XM2, and they initially said they were working on a smaller size in wired, I really wish they released this one and the smaller one in a wireless version at the same time with the same specs.
Yeah... the shape never really worked for me either unfortunately. I went for the Sora since it sort of gave me nostalgia shape-wise as a fan of the MM710. Unfortunately for almost every mouse I've tried recently, they all don't quite measure up to Vaxee XE's clicks which are absurdly light. But I've also heard complaints about them being too light for some. Very curious to see what the "flagship" will be like regardless. Happy to see EGG put out some cool stuff after waiting so long.
I'm a BIG fan of light clicks myself, functionality over feel any day. But the XM2we clicks aren't heavy enough to bother me in-game. STILL, I'd love for them to be lighter.
Holy hell you weren't kidding about the stiffness of the clicks. The mouse is overall fantastic, but those clicks are something else with how heavy they are
I hope XM1we has a smaller version available in the future. I wanted to love the mouse so badly having swapped over from Zowie as my main for years but the wideness of the XM1R hump really puts me off at times with my relaxed claw grip style.
I've got the same thing, but I've somewhat adjusted to it after using it for so long. Not completely still, but it's definitely not a "natural" shape for my preference, handsize and grip style.
@@hausgaming Well i did get used to it for awhile too but I had to re-adjust my aim sometimes which didn't really helped me be more consistent with my aim. I went back to the ZA12-C but I'm also pretty keen on the Vaxee XE wireless.
The comparison vs the Lamzu and your recommendation is pretty on point imo. The performance is basically the same or even better and there is no reason to buy the Lamzu or even the EGG XM2W at all.
Well XM2w will (apparently) have really nice mechanical switch and it might get 4000Hz polling rate in the future. And if it has even better wireless performance than Lamzu and XM2we I think many who want absolute top tier mouse will go for it anyway.
The king is back! I ordered right away, my favorite shape and mouse overall! I still kept my xm2w preorder as well. Thanks for the review Haus! I'll probably keep my Lamzu for a bit, it feels ever so slightly different than my xm1r, but idk if it'll stay too long with an xm2we on the desk fulfilling all its roles but better 🤷♂️.
Thanks for watching Matt! Yeah, the Lamzu & XM1/2 shape is slightly different, I prefer the Lamzu shape, but the difference is so small that there is no point in spending $20/€30 for the Lamzu instead of the XM2we. Then again, I do not see a reason for people to get the XM2we who already have the Lamzu, as I said in the video!
it's the same sensor and the sensor is programmed to run at a 100% in both wired and wireless modes. don't really feel a difference in my experience(came off the xm1r as well) while playing on same dpi so who knows. might just be in your head
@@MusicJXS Probably, or maybe even related with the coating, I am using xm1r glossy and xm2we black. they are same setting, same dpi, still a noticable difference in small area control at 1600dpi
For these CX solutions it's mostly about the configuration I'd guess. XM2we has a larger battery but runs on the most consuming power mode available for the sensor I'd guess. Means the mouse weights 5 grams more, but provides better performance
I've been using an FK1+ for a while now, have also used the superlight but I'd rather have something more like this shape. Do you recommend the XM2we for a FK1+ user or should I stick to the superlight? love your videos btw 🤠
If you dislike the Superlight, I'd say trying this could be a good way to go. The XM2we shape isn't really that close to the FK1+, this or the upcoming VAXEE XE Wireless could be worth a try!
Solid work as always, but I disagree with the overall takeaway that Lamzu is not as strong an option now that XM2we is out. The XM1r has always been one of my fav shapes, and despite mainly using wireless mice I have kept an XM1r as backup. Now having said that, the Lamzu Atlantis is not just a 1:1 clone of XM1r shape, esp when it comes to gripping the sides. I never thought I would say this but I actually think the Lamzu Shape has, imho, improved on the XM1r shape. I didnt like the Atlantis right away, but I can saw that after about a month and a half of using it in my daily rotation of GPX, G303 and MZ1 wireless, it is 2nd only to my GPX. So its not a matter of Atlantis having served as a copium mouse until Xm1 wireless models hit the markt; Atlantis is a fantastic mouse in its own right (and it is only their first release too!) Esp for claw grippers. Regardless, I will be picking up the XM2we anyway because I have a crack err I mean mouse addiction (srsly please send help!) but I gotta say that Lamzu has made a mouse that can stand on its own. Again been following ur channel since near the beginning and loving all your content, keep up the immense work!
"Lamzu Atlantis is not just a 1:1 clone of XM1r shape, esp when it comes to gripping the sides." Can you describe what the difference is in that regard?
A bit off topic, but I would like to ask about MZ1 Wireless. Have you noticed that the scroll is slightly crooked? I ordered a couple of copies but each had the same defect. The shape is divine for me, but this scroll turned me off a bit.
@@Netherlag1 The way the sides transition to the rear hump is quite a bit different. It results in me placing my fingers differently along the right side of the atlantis. This is the main difference, because how I place fingers on the right side of the Atlantis (near front of mouse) i helps me stabilize my shots. I dont know about the measurements but the Atlantis feels narrower at the point where I grip it. YMMV of course. The coating is better on Xm1r but I find the grippy texture on the atlantis to work well with my sweaty hands. Edit: The back hump, esp how the top slopes towards the back, feels narrower near the base with the atlantis. Xm1r has a bigger and rounder contact with palm. I have 17.5 x 10 hands
@@savage3921 I owned the wired MZ1 for quite some time before going the wireless. The scrollwheel on my copy of MZ1 wireless is also not centred and it is stiff to both, actuate and well, scroll lol. By far the worst scrollwheel among my daily drivers but that shape with the new back shell is just divine. I recently got their grip tape and it has further improved the mouse for me. I hope they release a "pro" version with fix shell, no weight balancing gimmick and especially no RGB or shell holes. Its a banger of a mouse but so much room for improvement. Also want the skates to be larger since it will compensate for how small the mouse is, with the slower glide.
@@felixklimm7225 x2 qc is terrible, latest news after their software temporarily not working for 2023 and their poor switch implementation is how they're using cheaper scroll encoders instead of the ones they said they'd use. Buy any other mouse than pulsar
It actually doesn't "skimp" on opticals. EGG has a patented latch debounce to prevent double clicks on a mechanical switch. Mech switches still feel better than optical ones and can provide the same latency, so if one have the tools to make them resistant to double clicks, they should stick with mech switches.
@@hausgaming thank you for your thorough explanation. This was really informative and helped me understand that well engineered mechanical switches can match or even surpass performance of optical switches.
Hi, I was wondering if you still mained the m42. I have been switching from m42 wired and viper mini for the past 2 year with sometimes switching to superlite for casual Gameing. I don't like the feel of clicks on m42 for onetaps. I have very good precision with it but if I miss first 3 one taps I loose the only tap rhythm of the taps. Do you think the wireless m42 clicks feel better since they are kail switches?
Wanted to ask if you would consider retesting the starlight 12 motion latency after the latest firmware update that removed the rest 1 mode after 750ms, dont know the testing method you used but i presume it was messured from standstill to motion registration. Thank you for the video and testing you done so far.
My motion latency tests are measured in the way that I always record some motion before initiating the test, so the mouse goes into motion almost instantly after the initial motion and stop. The 2ms motion delay is most likely because of the 1ms penalty that SW Motion Sync applies.
@@carlosalonso8160 What? SL-12 motion latency is around +2ms on top of ZA13-C because their motion sync solution is software based. Without it, the latency would likely be 1ms over ZA13C.
You misunderstood! Maybe I wasn't clear enough, it's a good thing for the 3370 (and CX solutions especially). With 3370 it would be software motion sync, meaning it would be post processing the polls and it adds latency. This is also a CompX solution so there is no telling how horrific the implementation would be.
@@hausgaming oohh very interesting! I def misunderstood... I was thinking "is there a reason I shouldn't like Motion Sync on my PMW3395 equipped HSK 4k Pro?!" Lol thanks for clarifying your videos are awesome 👍
Im hesitating between lamzu atlantis mini and xm2we with these particular criteria : 1. Click feeling 2. Build quality Have you guys any recommandation?
They are all great, XM2we has by far the best value for money. I'm a big fan of the HTS+ 4K and the shape of it though. If price nor availability were of no concern, I'd prolly get the HTS+ 4K myself
Which firmware are you using with XM1r? Is the newest one from their discord? Don't know how your scroll wheel is faulty but they fixed few issues with firmware.
So, in conclusion, which of the two should you choose? It's because I'm not good at English, but someone please tell me what the RUclipsr's conclusion is. sorry
@@hausgaming wow! Thank you so much for commenting.. brother. My thoughts were the same as yours. Thanks to your advice, I have made a firmer decision. thank you
“Don’t buy the Lamzu” 😂 honestly the comparison makes you decide on either or especially since the similarity in shapes. Lamzu is currently my top main mouse. I would be willing to give this a shot but like you said maybe wait for the w version
@@hausgaming I think the XM2we is so damn good on click performance compare to lamzu in the video but I don't like the click on viper mini which is optical so should I tried this mouse? Currently I'm using Lamzu and I don't need the premium coating because I'm using grip tape lol the only problem I got in lamzu is the balance on mousepad. Anyway sick review!
Can someone explain to me, the graph showing motion latency relative results vs a control unit. Is the Zowie ZA13-C the fastest of all these mice in terms of sensors latency? movement input to OS?
@@hausgaming thanks Haus. If the Motion latency Is better on the za13-c because of its wired connection, how come I see a lot of reviews saying the zowie c series mice have really high click latency compared to top brand wireless mice?
It's not just the switch, but the button design as well. I'm a big fan of light clicks, I always complain about stiff ones, but I haven't had any issues in-game with the XM2we. Similar to GPX, but the actuation is more pronounced and snappy.
Is it just me, or does she have a delay? I got this feeling after playing on the avp. If I used to kill in the midlands on the g502, then this does not work.
Thanks bro, but honestly, I'm not really trying to get my vids out first. I always test these mice extensively, most of the time all reviewers receive the mice at the same time and in those situations I will never be the first. Just because I don't think a testing phase of 1-2 days is enough.
Haus, If you had both XM2we and Xtrfy M8 avaliable for around the same price, which one would you pick? Asking strictly based on performance, quality and overall feel. Used to main XM1R before moving to GPX which find too bulbous and wished for something shorter and with thinner grip width, so both shapes are okay for me.
I value surcafe feel on the mouse quite a lot, especially on products that I use long term. M8 has quite a slippery/cheapish feeling surface feel compared to the XM2we. It's a hard question because I prefer most things on the M8 (especially the shape) over the XM2we, but grippy & premium feeling coating might actually move me toward the XM2we, believe it or not. If clicks were softer on the M8, I'd pick it over the XM2we... Now, not really sure!
@@hausgaming Thanks alot, i do value coating alot too. If the surface is raw plastic then i pretty much won't use the mouse. From what you wrote and what you said in both reviews it seems M8 is a downgrade to GPX in terms of quality, while XM2WE is on par with it. Guess i'll go with XM2WE, or wait another few months for XM2W.
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In the US you can actually now get the Lamzu for $90 from Addice and Amazon (might even be free shipping with Prime). So the price difference isn't as harsh in US. Get whatever is cheaper. If the price is equal for both, I'd still recommend the XM2we, but not as heavily.
Hi mate, please what is your hand size, just to compare mine is 21x11 and Im scared to buy mice as is XM2we or Vaxee Outset
80$ is a solid pricepoint for most mice. I'm tired of mice costing 120, 150 $.
People need to stop supporting that.
yea. The Lamzu Atlantis costs almost 40% more. Let that sink in people.
@@Netherlag1 it costs $10 more?
@@Arithmophobia In US it’s $80 vs $95. In EU it’s €80 vs €110.
@@nyororomeowelas1225 good, it's about time you guys pay more. We've carried that torch for too long
And it will get even worse if zowie manages to successfully sell their new wireless mouse... (199€ in EU on Maxgaming...)
Faster than boardzy and all other tech youtubers hats off haus!
i think someone mentioned in egg`s discord that haus was the only one getting a review unit
@@DaSchorsch93 how nice!
I rather watch haus vs boardzy fortnite players are sus
Shocking😱
I've talked about the XM1 shape in about ten videos, so I skipped it for this one! Check any of my XM1 or Lamzu videos
Zowie needs to take note. EGG basically made the same mouse as Zowie's new wireless mice in terms of specs while also being significantly lighter and almost half the price
I think in EU the wireless ec series will cost more than double a xm2we 🤣
@@toby6721 theyre already priced at 190 euros in eu and like 200 on maxgaming i believe lmao
@@dokkie9979 yea its just horrible value I don't know how zowie are going to make money on those mice
@@toby6721 Fanboys.
They are indeed nice in terms of hardware and reliability, but their weight is meh.
@@toby6721 they still think they are "premium" ;o lel
That's a great price considering EGG's quality. The sensor doesn't really matter as long as it performs good imo.
The sensor is pretty much the main factor in whether or not a mouse performs well.
@@ThotsAndPrayers that being said the sensor game is really getting really competitive lately and the sensors are almost near accurate that it hardly makes a difference. Its that good now imo but still it can be much better as time goes
@@ThotsAndPrayers Yeah, well, if you are not succeeding with a PAW 3370, you won't get ahead with a PAW 3395 either. Because if the manufacturer didn't screw up the SROM or lens, it's pratically irrelevant which one you choose.
@@ThotsAndPrayers Sensors haven't been a performance differentiating factor since the 3310.
@@FeintMotionHard disagree on the 3310, the 3360 was a huge upgrade from it.
Exactly what I was waiting for. Waiting for the XM2W since forever.
Best mouse reviews on YT these days. Been waiting for this one, too. So thank you! Here's hoping it will become available soon here in Germany.
Thanks a bunch! I appreciate it
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@@bravado2809 Danke für den Hinweis, habe sofort geordert.
Best mouse reviews nowadays for sure. Can't wait for the mini version of this mouse as I've been wanting to replace my model o- for way too long.
Is there any mention of a mini version?
BROS ALREADY TALKING ABOUT A MINI VERSION WHEN THE NORMAL VERSION AINT EVEN OUT YET
at this point youre my favorite mouse reviewer. you covered everything I wanted to know and stuff I thought you werent going to talk about. I hope you'll be covering the XM2W
the fact that i searched for a video and this just dropped
The timing!
BRO review HTX ace or the 4K version. Good reviews as always.
That's definitely a plan! I haven't received one yet 😭
on the edge of my seat waiting for XM2w review
Can't wait to try it 💀
@@hausgaming it still not out u weirdo copers
Endgame- Optical switches and 3370 sensor for 80 bucks (10 bucks more than the xm1r)
Zowie- Satisfying huano blues and 3370 for 150 bucks usd…
Shows how smart these companies are.
the only reason you'd ever buy the zowie is if you want wireless in a lan. the stability should theoretically be better on the zowie, but then again, you could just plug it in and solve that lol
@@Masoch1st " the stability should theoretically be better on the zowie" zero reason for that. and not like this problem has ever existed to begin with.
@@Masoch1st Just because Zowie convinced you so and it has a big ass receiver? Testing should give the answer, not just marketing. I don't think it will make any difference, and even if it did it wouldn't be significant.
@@silentKeys20 I am not going to reply to low iq comments
@@nothingness863 you aren't too bright are you? Yes it is a problem that exists. You wanna test polling stability in a room full of 200 computers with phones and all kinds of 2.4ghz frequencies everywhere? You clearly have no idea what you are talking about so kindly stfu
Seems like a decent lamzu atlantis clone.
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HEY I KNOW YOU I HEARD YOU REALLY GOOD AT BF4
@@luk7n The joke flew over someone’s head
@@luk7n lmao somebody didnt get it
@@luk7n it sucks, Lamzu on top ND I can't believe they copied their Shape
Great review as always! Thank you for the great content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've been waiting for this. Thanks for the review. This will be good for the xm2w wait.
Np, hope you enjoyed the vid!
Good to see them back!
W review happy I waited for this mouse I care about the coating more than having a lamzu
I'm enjoying the content as of late being more detail oriented. Things like DPI deviation personally isn't news to me, but what is really interesting is how DPI deviation is effected by certain mouse pads. I'd like to believe that companies such as Zowie have been using the same sensor, even in their new wireless mice, possibly due to the sensor's consistency in DPI deviation. Or the more obvious reason being cost, however, I feel like a lot of us who watch your content would be really interested in seeing DPI values of classic mouse/mousepad combos in e sports like the ec2a on a QcK+, GSR, GPX on a g640, DAV3 on a Gigantus V2 etc
i dont mind paying a little bit more for the xm2w but for 80 bucks, i really think not alot of mice compete against it. If you like the shape for a good price, I see why not to grab one for yourself
surprised the xm2we has heavier clicks than the Atlantis, when the Atlantis clicks feel so clunky in comparison to the xm1r. main reason (and the premium coating) on why i went back to the xm1r. really enjoy the Atlantis but the xm1r still reigns supreme over it.
hoping the next iteration of the xm2w goes back to the light click feel of the xm1r or i might look into the next iteration of the vaxee wireless
The scroll click on the XM2we is so stiff it's near enough useless for me.
See, I was right, it completely eliminated the idle delay and thanks for latency info. Keep up the great work
Which is better in click latency and sensor latency? Gpx or xm2we?
@@nokaEXE Mouse shape is important
@@natramizhchelvan9004 I'm using the G Pro X Superlight and I'm happy with the shape, but there's something wrong with my mouse wheel so I want to replace it. I hold claw grip so I don't know if xm2we will suit me. Also, latency values are important to me
@@nokaEXE wait for endgame xm2w. Best claw grip mouse if or just buy pulsar X2 or mini
Hats off to Endgame for not charging a ridiculous price. Mice over $100 are honestly ridiculous
$80 for inferior specs? That is to be expected.
@@AmirChemE inferior to what? Zowie released 190e mouse with 3370.
@@AmirChemE Specs no one can tell apart...
@@masterofallclasses7287 It´s still insane for a mouse like zowie and to think it has no virgin PTFE feet is even more insane.
facts. 150 for a mouse is fucking crazy but then again i paid 130 for a gpx soo.. And i dont even regret it
I've been waiting for the Viper Mini wireless for 3 years. Even if it's 100+ USD on release I'll still buy it.
Same!
Viper Mini wireless if it ever gets released is probably gonna have the same internals in it as the V2 pro and cost $150 and you'll want a 4K dongle for it too. Don't see why they wouldn't just do it this way.
XM2WE looking right, can't wait to try when it comes here
Great stuff brother, this the kind of content made me love this channel 🤘 grats to EGG for making such a well rounded banger , for this price 😎
Thanks a ton! Idd, it's awesome for the price point!
Fantastic video dude! I am one for an amazing coating on a mouse so nice to hear EGG still have that. Amazing feedback
Glad you like it!
I would say of all the mice I use (GPX, Starlight 12, Xlite V2, Aria, Orochi) this is by far the highest quality mouse of them all. I'm genuinely shocked at how much nicer this feels compared to my GPX. It's really a fantastic mouse, I do wish I had 2k or 4k polling and the clicks are a bit stiffer than what I'm used to (despite enjoying stiffer clicks and modding all my mice to have 8.0s) but I don't think these are really even drawbacks. For the price rolling in at under 100 bucks before shipping it's hands down the best mouse on the market right now.
With how long they took to release a wireless version of the XM2, and they initially said they were working on a smaller size in wired, I really wish they released this one and the smaller one in a wireless version at the same time with the same specs.
Yeah... the shape never really worked for me either unfortunately. I went for the Sora since it sort of gave me nostalgia shape-wise as a fan of the MM710. Unfortunately for almost every mouse I've tried recently, they all don't quite measure up to Vaxee XE's clicks which are absurdly light. But I've also heard complaints about them being too light for some. Very curious to see what the "flagship" will be like regardless. Happy to see EGG put out some cool stuff after waiting so long.
Heavy clicks are something I avoid entirely, hopefully the XM2w has lighter switches
I'm a BIG fan of light clicks myself, functionality over feel any day. But the XM2we clicks aren't heavy enough to bother me in-game. STILL, I'd love for them to be lighter.
Awesome review, as always. You should really try out the Waizowl OGM pro, best coating I have ever felt on a mouse.
Thanks brother! I might need to!
Holy hell you weren't kidding about the stiffness of the clicks. The mouse is overall fantastic, but those clicks are something else with how heavy they are
7:52 minutes of a god tier review that you can also use as a 2h ASMR for DM. At least that's what I did. Thank you, as always.
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it 😂!
Please make a Google doc or something like that with all of your latency tests
I hope XM1we has a smaller version available in the future. I wanted to love the mouse so badly having swapped over from Zowie as my main for years but the wideness of the XM1R hump really puts me off at times with my relaxed claw grip style.
I've got the same thing, but I've somewhat adjusted to it after using it for so long. Not completely still, but it's definitely not a "natural" shape for my preference, handsize and grip style.
@@hausgaming Well i did get used to it for awhile too but I had to re-adjust my aim sometimes which didn't really helped me be more consistent with my aim.
I went back to the ZA12-C but I'm also pretty keen on the Vaxee XE wireless.
The comparison vs the Lamzu and your recommendation is pretty on point imo. The performance is basically the same or even better and there is no reason to buy the Lamzu or even the EGG XM2W at all.
Well XM2w will (apparently) have really nice mechanical switch and it might get 4000Hz polling rate in the future. And if it has even better wireless performance than Lamzu and XM2we I think many who want absolute top tier mouse will go for it anyway.
GOD U ARE SO DUMB LOL w is better in every way
The king is back! I ordered right away, my favorite shape and mouse overall! I still kept my xm2w preorder as well.
Thanks for the review Haus! I'll probably keep my Lamzu for a bit, it feels ever so slightly different than my xm1r, but idk if it'll stay too long with an xm2we on the desk fulfilling all its roles but better 🤷♂️.
Thanks for watching Matt! Yeah, the Lamzu & XM1/2 shape is slightly different, I prefer the Lamzu shape, but the difference is so small that there is no point in spending $20/€30 for the Lamzu instead of the XM2we. Then again, I do not see a reason for people to get the XM2we who already have the Lamzu, as I said in the video!
Still a noticeable sensor performance difference between xm1r and xm2we when playing cs @1600dpi.
it's the same sensor and the sensor is programmed to run at a 100% in both wired and wireless modes. don't really feel a difference in my experience(came off the xm1r as well) while playing on same dpi so who knows. might just be in your head
@@MusicJXS Probably, or maybe even related with the coating, I am using xm1r glossy and xm2we black. they are same setting, same dpi, still a noticable difference in small area control at 1600dpi
Sensor latency is very impressive, does mcu have more to do with sensor latency than sensor itself?
Yes look at the m1k it has a 3360 but really good mcu & it has the fastest sensor and click latency
@@zzz8311 Oh now I see
For these CX solutions it's mostly about the configuration I'd guess. XM2we has a larger battery but runs on the most consuming power mode available for the sensor I'd guess. Means the mouse weights 5 grams more, but provides better performance
@@hausgaming Thx for clear explanations!
Which is better in click latency and sensor latency? Gpx or xm2we?
I've been using an FK1+ for a while now, have also used the superlight but I'd rather have something more like this shape. Do you recommend the XM2we for a FK1+ user or should I stick to the superlight?
love your videos btw 🤠
If you dislike the Superlight, I'd say trying this could be a good way to go. The XM2we shape isn't really that close to the FK1+, this or the upcoming VAXEE XE Wireless could be worth a try!
i told y'all its gonna be a banger but u guys didnt believe it
This looks like a banger for 80$. Should i upgrade from viper mini to the xm2we, my hand is 17.5x10 mainly claw grip
its finally came out SHOCKING
Solid work as always, but I disagree with the overall takeaway that Lamzu is not as strong an option now that XM2we is out.
The XM1r has always been one of my fav shapes, and despite mainly using wireless mice I have kept an XM1r as backup. Now having said that, the Lamzu Atlantis is not just a 1:1 clone of XM1r shape, esp when it comes to gripping the sides. I never thought I would say this but I actually think the Lamzu Shape has, imho, improved on the XM1r shape. I didnt like the Atlantis right away, but I can saw that after about a month and a half of using it in my daily rotation of GPX, G303 and MZ1 wireless, it is 2nd only to my GPX.
So its not a matter of Atlantis having served as a copium mouse until Xm1 wireless models hit the markt; Atlantis is a fantastic mouse in its own right (and it is only their first release too!) Esp for claw grippers.
Regardless, I will be picking up the XM2we anyway because I have a crack err I mean mouse addiction (srsly please send help!) but I gotta say that Lamzu has made a mouse that can stand on its own. Again been following ur channel since near the beginning and loving all your content, keep up the immense work!
"Lamzu Atlantis is not just a 1:1 clone of XM1r shape, esp when it comes to gripping the sides." Can you describe what the difference is in that regard?
A bit off topic, but I would like to ask about MZ1 Wireless. Have you noticed that the scroll is slightly crooked? I ordered a couple of copies but each had the same defect. The shape is divine for me, but this scroll turned me off a bit.
@@Netherlag1 The way the sides transition to the rear hump is quite a bit different. It results in me placing my fingers differently along the right side of the atlantis. This is the main difference, because how I place fingers on the right side of the Atlantis (near front of mouse) i helps me stabilize my shots. I dont know about the measurements but the Atlantis feels narrower at the point where I grip it. YMMV of course. The coating is better on Xm1r but I find the grippy texture on the atlantis to work well with my sweaty hands.
Edit: The back hump, esp how the top slopes towards the back, feels narrower near the base with the atlantis. Xm1r has a bigger and rounder contact with palm. I have 17.5 x 10 hands
@@savage3921 I owned the wired MZ1 for quite some time before going the wireless. The scrollwheel on my copy of MZ1 wireless is also not centred and it is stiff to both, actuate and well, scroll lol. By far the worst scrollwheel among my daily drivers but that shape with the new back shell is just divine. I recently got their grip tape and it has further improved the mouse for me.
I hope they release a "pro" version with fix shell, no weight balancing gimmick and especially no RGB or shell holes. Its a banger of a mouse but so much room for improvement. Also want the skates to be larger since it will compensate for how small the mouse is, with the slower glide.
How is the steelseries prime click latency now? I heard they reduced the debounce along with the aerox mice.
It's fixed! I have a tweet about the numbers somewhere, I can't remember then anymore. Around 2ms iirc
@@hausgaming sheesh already bought one on amazon brand new for 55 usd, already loved my prime neo noir now trying to go wireless
i'm struggling to decide if i want this, the pulsar x2, or wait for the LA-1 Superlight 😕
X2 Bruce Lee it is my man
@@felixklimm7225 x2 qc is terrible, latest news after their software temporarily not working for 2023 and their poor switch implementation is how they're using cheaper scroll encoders instead of the ones they said they'd use. Buy any other mouse than pulsar
This.
@@kwanro9172 they also adverise all their mice to have 32bit arm mcu when in fact they all have cheap compx mcus
Is it posble to change the battery as you can do with the superlight and add for example a 1000mah?
How's the overall latency compared to the XM1R? If it's not better, then I think I wait for the XM2W
It's worse than XM1r in terms of motion and click latency. XM1r is one of the better performing wired mice on the market atm.
@@hausgaming thanks for the response man, I'll keep using my XM1R and see what the XM2W is like whenever you get that mouse!
@@hausgaming Which is better in click latency and sensor latency? Gpx or xm2we?
I appreciate your reviews Haus. Definitely in the top reviewers alongside Fresh Reviews and boardzy.
I appreciate that!
If the XM2w is the flagship offering, why does it skimp on the optical switches the budget model XM2we has?
It actually doesn't "skimp" on opticals. EGG has a patented latch debounce to prevent double clicks on a mechanical switch. Mech switches still feel better than optical ones and can provide the same latency, so if one have the tools to make them resistant to double clicks, they should stick with mech switches.
@@hausgaming thank you for your thorough explanation. This was really informative and helped me understand that well engineered mechanical switches can match or even surpass performance of optical switches.
Unrelated to the video but when are you planning to review the vaxee XE wireless?
Hi, I was wondering if you still mained the m42. I have been switching from m42 wired and viper mini for the past 2 year with sometimes switching to superlite for casual Gameing. I don't like the feel of clicks on m42 for onetaps. I have very good precision with it but if I miss first 3 one taps I loose the only tap rhythm of the taps. Do you think the wireless m42 clicks feel better since they are kail switches?
thanks for the review! Could you elaborate further on the differences between the dark frost (xm1r) and white (xm2we) coating?
Sadly I can't really recall, the difference is very small.
How does it (the Hump) feel compared to the Za12/13? I want that Za12 wireless, but nobody does copy its Shape..
What if I buy the 4k dongle for the antlantis? Should I still get the XM2we?
Is the xm2w(e) wider in the grip than the pulsar x2 medium?
Similar in width, the feel is quite different though!
love it however the side button placement is just crazy bad. many times instead of aiming and shooting I click side button. need to return
Can you review the ninjutso sora?
Yeah, it's coming next week!
Subbed! using a pulsar xlite v2 right now, do you think this will be good as a 2nd mice? my hands are 19x10
Did you try the new Lamzu Atlantis Mini already?
Nope!
which one is better lamzu atlantis or ninjutso sora or endgame xm2we (pls don't compare price)
XM2we
@@hausgaming xm2we or xm2w? is there too much difference
@@hausgaming and why
Wanted to ask if you would consider retesting the starlight 12 motion latency after the latest firmware update that removed the rest 1 mode after 750ms, dont know the testing method you used but i presume it was messured from standstill to motion registration. Thank you for the video and testing you done so far.
My motion latency tests are measured in the way that I always record some motion before initiating the test, so the mouse goes into motion almost instantly after the initial motion and stop. The 2ms motion delay is most likely because of the 1ms penalty that SW Motion Sync applies.
@@hausgaming so if that's the case, the starlight is likely more or less 1 ms as well correct?
@@carlosalonso8160 What? SL-12 motion latency is around +2ms on top of ZA13-C because their motion sync solution is software based. Without it, the latency would likely be 1ms over ZA13C.
Why is it a good thing to have no motion sync?
You misunderstood! Maybe I wasn't clear enough, it's a good thing for the 3370 (and CX solutions especially). With 3370 it would be software motion sync, meaning it would be post processing the polls and it adds latency. This is also a CompX solution so there is no telling how horrific the implementation would be.
@@hausgaming oohh very interesting! I def misunderstood... I was thinking "is there a reason I shouldn't like Motion Sync on my PMW3395 equipped HSK 4k Pro?!" Lol thanks for clarifying your videos are awesome 👍
Im hesitating between lamzu atlantis mini and xm2we with these particular criteria :
1. Click feeling
2. Build quality
Have you guys any recommandation?
I have a reg atlantis and xm2we came today. Clicks on 2we are lighter and obviously the endgame is better built.
@@shadynas7y i have a bad english... But what do you mean 'REG' atlantis ? Thanks you for you answer
@@hippolyteinthivong2532 I’m assuming he means “regular”
you didnt say anything about the skates. Big or small skates? is there a difference?
How do you think this mouse stacks up against the ninjusto sora?
I thought I was the only one that didn't like the xm1r shape. I do have the atlantis mini on order though.
Welp my xm1r with faulty scroll finally gonna be switched. But xm2we or hts+/hts plus 4k?
They are all great, XM2we has by far the best value for money. I'm a big fan of the HTS+ 4K and the shape of it though. If price nor availability were of no concern, I'd prolly get the HTS+ 4K myself
@@hausgaming thanx for help haus
Which firmware are you using with XM1r? Is the newest one from their discord? Don't know how your scroll wheel is faulty but they fixed few issues with firmware.
@@lepari9986 im using newest one from website. I bought the mouse used so yeah
@Rakx the website one (sadly I know) isn't the newest. I don't think there's even software currently in the website.
do the Kailh GO Optical switches use the saem socket as the razer opticals and could you interchange them?
No, you can't change different brand opticals rn due to the difference in architecture.
A lot of data and i totally love it
So, in conclusion, which of the two should you choose? It's because I'm not good at English, but someone please tell me what the RUclipsr's conclusion is. sorry
XM2we!
@@hausgaming wow! Thank you so much for commenting.. brother. My thoughts were the same as yours. Thanks to your advice, I have made a firmer decision. thank you
is this still worth it 1 year later and how has it hold?
“Don’t buy the Lamzu” 😂 honestly the comparison makes you decide on either or especially since the similarity in shapes. Lamzu is currently my top main mouse. I would be willing to give this a shot but like you said maybe wait for the w version
I don't think you should buy the XM2we if you already have the Lamzu! You'd be wasting your money my brother! Something we enthusiasts never do 🤣
@@hausgaming I think the XM2we is so damn good on click performance compare to lamzu in the video but I don't like the click on viper mini which is optical so should I tried this mouse? Currently I'm using Lamzu and I don't need the premium coating because I'm using grip tape lol the only problem I got in lamzu is the balance on mousepad. Anyway sick review!
@@hausgaming lol
How is the battery life?
Can someone explain to me, the graph showing motion latency relative results vs a control unit. Is the Zowie ZA13-C the fastest of all these mice in terms of sensors latency? movement input to OS?
The ZA13C is wired and is faster than most wireless mice on motion latency lists, the DAV3 Pro (with 4000hz) is as fast as ZA13C
@@hausgaming thanks Haus. If the Motion latency Is better on the za13-c because of its wired connection, how come I see a lot of reviews saying the zowie c series mice have really high click latency compared to top brand wireless mice?
Have you tested the za yourself with ldat?
@@Shroomlight Motion & click latency are different things my man
How hard are the clicks? I have an NP01s and i find those clicks already a bit heavy feeling. These opticals harder than razer?
It's not just the switch, but the button design as well. I'm a big fan of light clicks, I always complain about stiff ones, but I haven't had any issues in-game with the XM2we. Similar to GPX, but the actuation is more pronounced and snappy.
@@hausgaming Aaaah, thanks! I asked because I like lighter clicks as well such as the OUTSET AX. I rewatched your video 4 times to make a decision >.>
how does the mosue shell feel when holding the mouse compared to the hefty zowie feel
Sry what do you mean?
How is the battery life compared to the superlight? How often do you have to charge the XM2we
Similar, doesn't charge as fast but the duration i'd say is the same
@@MusicJXS My gpro lasts around 2 weeks, is it similar for you?
3:10 sorry, what's Dave pro?
DeathAdder V3 Pro
@@hausgaming Oh DeathAdder. Thanks!
can i replace its switches with asus (gladius 3 wireless) optical switches?
Is it just me, or does she have a delay? I got this feeling after playing on the avp. If I used to kill in the midlands on the g502, then this does not work.
No delay!
@Fr3ak satisfy this man with your mini! Mouse I mean.
should i buy xm2we or xm2w ? now i use xm1r
Compared to EC-2 CW it is a steal for sure 😂
lmao
It's a thing of beauty!
There is this for 79€ (63g) and then there is the ec-cw series (76-81g) for around 200€. I need whatever the fuck zowie is smocking.
after 2 months of daily use, I cannot say that I got used to the clicks, I hate them passionately
is the finalmouse latency on the new competitive firmware?
Yes!
I just wanna know why he has 3 separate mouse skates at the back half of the mouse instead of the stock one lol
Might just be that I've disassembled the mouse lil bro
I love the way this guys speaks haha
Thanks!
you literally never make a bad video.
Thank you bro! Much appreciated
nah nah nah still sticking to my ec2/ec3-c. good enough even today
For sure!
is this good for palm grip?
Is Sora coming next? Sora sitte seuraavaksi?
Sora is garbage that nobody should buy
Sora arvostelu on kyl tulossa!
Thanks Haus, you have been consistently getting your vids out before everyone else on the new mice, great work!
Thanks bro, but honestly, I'm not really trying to get my vids out first. I always test these mice extensively, most of the time all reviewers receive the mice at the same time and in those situations I will never be the first. Just because I don't think a testing phase of 1-2 days is enough.
@@hausgaming Yeah, you need at least a week for that. Two is even better.
My mouse feet dont look like that?
htx review?
I don't have it yet!
@@hausgaming any idea when u are gonna get it?
Haus, If you had both XM2we and Xtrfy M8 avaliable for around the same price, which one would you pick? Asking strictly based on performance, quality and overall feel. Used to main XM1R before moving to GPX which find too bulbous and wished for something shorter and with thinner grip width, so both shapes are okay for me.
I value surcafe feel on the mouse quite a lot, especially on products that I use long term. M8 has quite a slippery/cheapish feeling surface feel compared to the XM2we. It's a hard question because I prefer most things on the M8 (especially the shape) over the XM2we, but grippy & premium feeling coating might actually move me toward the XM2we, believe it or not. If clicks were softer on the M8, I'd pick it over the XM2we... Now, not really sure!
@@hausgaming Thanks alot, i do value coating alot too. If the surface is raw plastic then i pretty much won't use the mouse. From what you wrote and what you said in both reviews it seems M8 is a downgrade to GPX in terms of quality, while XM2WE is on par with it. Guess i'll go with XM2WE, or wait another few months for XM2W.
@@cl-srDid you went for it?
@@DmytroHula-dp4tp I did, and i really enjoy my XM2WE. I'll probably go for OP1WE when it's available in my country.