Copy Trading Fees on Etoro
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- Опубликовано: 1 дек 2017
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I get a lot of comments and questions about the fees involved in Etoro, and specifically in copying other traders - people are looking for a passive income, but everyone's a bit worried about hidden fees. It's not surprising as the whole idea of exchanges and brokers conjures up images of a fees extravaganza.
Thankfully, it's not like that - if it was, nobody would stay... But there are fees, and it's best to know about them before having a go.
There's the ones which you need to know about (if all you want to do is copy other people) and then there's ones which you really don't need to know about so much unless you're trading yourself.
the first group are the withdraw and the conversion fees - you're going to need to pay these when you put money into Etoro, and also when you withdraw funds back into your bank account or credit card. There's also one based on being inactive on the site for over 12 months, but I've never heard anyone even experience that one yet :)
The second group is spread, overnight, and weekend fees - the spreads are one of the primary ways that the broker makes their money - they're charged on all buys and sells on the site (it's the standard way this industry makes money) but they're for the person you're copying to worry about as it's part of their job. These charges will show up in the person you're copying's profit and loss for you, so if you don't like the way they're performing, you just find another person to copy. It's pretty simple.
In this video I put cards which link to some of my other videos - they go into more detail about some of the subjects covered :
Withdrawal Fee Update: • Etoro Withdrawal Fees ...
Spread Fees: • Spread Fees - What Are...
Overnight (Holding) Fees: • Overnight Fees + My Li...
My Etoro beginners Playlist: • How Much Money Will I ...
On June 2020 the withdrawal fee is $5 (instead of $25) and the minimum withdrawal is $30 (instead of $50).
thank you!
Thank you
thank you.
Do you know about the overnight fees changes (update)? if you are or not leveraged?
And if you are a platinum and above user (at least $25,000 invested) its no fee.
This should be a course in school. A MANDATORY course
Kind of you to say! :)
Government will not allow this.. ecosystem will be imbalance
You are really very informative, clear and explain things easily!
Thank you! answered all of my outstanding questions about the copy method.
Thanks - Glad it helped a bit !
You're the one who's gonna change me life. Thank you sir!
Hope it all goes well! thanks :)
Ameed Abdelhadi hi can we talk about Etoro pls
Very useful video... I immediately subscribed to your channel... Looking forward for more... keep the good work
Thanks so much :)
how do I go about entering a copy-trade and exiting? I understand to avoid copy open trades and I don't want to automatically sell everything when I move out of a copy-trade (ideally I would want to stop copying new buys but still copy sells and NOT automatically sell everything in the copy-trade allocation); this is especially important when I will want to rebalance my portfolio from high risk takers into less risk zones, assuming the high risk zone grows in overall value
You forgot to mention overnight fees are only charged on leverage.
Edit: You say it later :)
Again very useful video thank you! Dude why you don’t have Facebook page where we can share our experience from the copy trading and talk who is the right choice trader to copy that will be very helpful as well just thought to share my idea with you.
Yeah, I can see that there would be a big use in letting people give tips to each other about great traders etc - I'd be reading it too :) I'll look into it. But then I have to think about where to put my focus, as, if there's too much going on in different places, I might end up missing stuff - I'm not sure. I know youtube plans to roll out new features around community and chatting within youtube itself, so i was sort of half waiting for that really.
Nice video again Thomas!
Thanks man :)
Hi! Thank you very much for all your informative videos! They have been really helpful!
I have a question regarding the fees which I'm hoping you could answer: How are the "positive fees" accumulated? I sometimes see these small amounts of money credited to my account and I see which trade they came from, but I can't quite figure out the mechanism behind when and what amount of money gets credited to a trade.
Thanks again for all the detailed information! :)
It could be credits - which are the other side over 'overnight fees' - some assets, when you hold them overnight or on weekends, actually give you credits for holding them instead of charging fees, when using leverage or in 'short' positions (sell trades) - you can find a list of which ones give credits on the main fees page. It could also be dividends, but I'm not sure where they show up still :)
Would you know how can i enable the Copy Trading on my EToro account?
Pretty useful content. If the videos are aligned as step1,2,3 it will be better too ! Thanks loads pretty good
True, thanks :)
Hi, I have a question.
If I trade currencies I open either a 'buy' or a 'sell' position and I make a bet on whether the value of the currency will rise or fall. But is this also the same for crypto currencies and stocks? Or do I when I invest in cryptos or stocks actually buy something? Like a part of a bit coin or a part of a company? What Is the safest you think, buy or sell position or actually buying the asset? If there already exists a video about this could you share the link? :) Thanks!
Hey Thomas, really good videos. I saw in another one of your videos you said the etoro currency conversion fees are actually quite competitive and theres really no need to convert to USD elsewhere before depositing. So is that something you've found out since making this video or do you still recommend checking locally for better rates? I'm converting from GBP.
Hi there - I asked and they basically told me that everyone has to check their local rates to know whether they're competitive... Sorry I can't be of more help. I did check their rates against the ones I can get in Malta and they were good enough that it wasn't worth the hassle of changing it any other way...
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Very informative, great vid, thanks
Thanks Mary! :)
Loving these videos !.
I have a question... if you are copying someone and they copy someone is there a double copy going on ? or do you only copy the direct trades ?
Hey there - well the popular investors aren't allowed to copy other people anymore, so that's not as likely a scenario as it used to be.
If you do copy someone who's not a pi, and they're copying someone else, then the trades of the person they're copying will show up in your portfolio too, as individual trades, not as a copy - you won't be able to see whether specific copied trades in your portfolio are from the person you're copying directly, or from the person they're copying.
You have to take into account the $1 minimum trade size on copied trades too. There's a bit of maths to do there.
If I copy person A with $1000, and they copy person B with 10% of their money, then I'm essentially copying person B with $100 (10% of $1000).
If person B opens a trade, and that trade, after the maths is done, turns out to be valued at less that $1 at opening in my portfolio, then I won't actually copy that trade. I made a video which might help make a bit more sense of that.
ruclips.net/video/BSxCSZHx5kI/видео.html
And thank you :)
thanks for the videos, I understand that there is a conversion fee, trading fee etc. You have produced very useful videos and I have just started copy trading which looks promising. I was wondering for copying traders- is there a commission fee on the overall amount invested levied by etoro or the copied trader, I heard that the copied trader can make up to 2% of the overall amount and is there a deduction made on your profits too?
The 2% is based on the Assets Under Management (AUM) and is a compensation given only to the 'Elite' (green star) Popular Investors. As far as I know this 2% of AUM comes out of Etoro's profits rather than being levied from the copiers themselves.
I'm not sure if eToro makes most of the money on spreads...
I think that they make the most of the money decreasing real value of the trades currently on rise.
For an instance when Litecoin reached $540 they gave just $380 (or 320 ?? don't remember exactly).
This is a huge money comparing to spreads I guess so...
Yeah, I'm not sure. Do you think they're purposefully doing that, or is it just the varying prices on different exchanges all sort of averaged out? They could be arbitraging, but I doubt it. But you never know...
1 dec 2017 Tesla share price was $306 as shown in your video. Today 12/08/2021 tesla share is $707
Great Vid!
Cheers Ryan :)
Not sure if I'm being dumb but do you or do you not pay fees for copy trading? I read somewhere that if you copy a popular investor you do pay fees?
Question: If I buy and hold a stock in eToro, do I receive the dividends, when the company distributes them? Thank you!
Hi there - yep, at least in part. I made a series of videos about dividends on eToro: ruclips.net/video/w0Irtnuj9Cw/видео.html
Hope it helps a bit
very informative for beginners.
Cheers Jitesh!
Can my overnight fees become greater than my money
In other word can i lose more than i put
Your content is gold. Thank you.
Thank you man :)
Just an update on this video.
The withdraw fee is now only 5$ and if you are a platinum and above user ($25,000 invested) there is no withdraw fee at all.
Hi, I have a question. If use 1k dollars to copy someone's trades I will be copying all the trades he opens, but with smaller amounts of money for each trade compared tho his own trades. This means that the commissions are a lot more relevant to me than to him, right? Also a virtual account starts with 100000 dollars, if I start a copy with 1000 dollars on the virtual account, is it a good simulation of a 1000 copy on a real one or it is affected by less fees because of the account size?
When you say 'Commissions' do you mean the spread fees? Spread fees are calculated on units of each asset, so that's what the calculation must be made from. If he is using more money his units will be higher and spread fees higher, but they're in proportion to the amount he's spending.
thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Best explanation bro.. how about forex trading do they have on etoro? Make more video for 2018..
Hi there - I was gone for ages due to trouble with Etoro, but it seems to be resolved now...
Thanks :)
You look like one of the characters in Dawson's Creek.. I forgot his name though.
Thank you so much for this information. I want to start copying on etoro but was lost since I not an expert in this.
"Long (BUY), non-leveraged crypto, stock and ETF positions are not executed as CFDs and do not incur any fees." NOW THIS CONFUSED ME A LOT. ETORO SAID LONG POSITIONS ARE NOT EXECUTED AS CFD's. BUT OPENING A POSITION ON A STOCK IS CFD ALREADY. CAN YOU PLS ELABORATE ON THIS? THANKS
Hi there - what makes you think that opening a position on a stock is always a CFD? They changed this. That quote in the first line in your message is correct as far as I understand. Everything on eToro used to be CFDs, but it changed last year :)
Social Trading Vlog because it always states at the bottom when im going into a trade that im going to have a CFD trade. Its under the leverage options. There is nothing there that states that im having a position that not a CFD.
If the withdraw fee is 25$, means that i have to withdraw 75$ to get 50$ or just that i can take 25$ withdrawing 50$? (Sorry for my english but im italian ahah)
Hi there - bascially, whatever amount you withdraw (it has to be a minimum of $50) they will deduct $25 as a processing fee. You will also be charged the exchange fee (unless you use dollars as your currency, which I doubt if you're in Italy :) )
It's always $25 as a withdrawal processing fee, no matter how much you withdraw (at least that's what they currently say) So, if we forget about the exchange fee, then if you withdraw $100, you get $75. If you withdraw $10,000, you get $9975 (before exchange fee)
Hope that helps a bit :)
Hey man, do you incur the deposit conversion fees if you use PayPal?
Do you know, I have no idea... I've never used Paypal. Someone was talking about using revolut and converting to USD in revolut, and then funding eToro from the revolut USD account. Maybe you're talking about doing the same sort of thing in Paypal? Not sure how it all works - it seemed a smart idea though. You'd just need to check who has the most favourable exchange rate I think.
Last week I noticed that I incurred a large fee of $5 for a trader I copied with only $100. I enquired about this but the trader did not know and told me to check with etoro, who did not respond. After watching your video I realize that he is using a high leverage and holding trades long term. I wonder if I should stop copying this trader. I’ve only made 5% ( 62 dollars in 4 months) . Your thoughts?
Initially I copied quite a few traders, and I'm not copying any of them any more - the ones I'm copying now seem to be doing consistently well, so I'm sticking with them. It took about 8 months to start to find the ones who would do well consistently... I changes traders a lot... 5% in 4 months is less than the ones I'm copying have made me. quite a lot less - but I can't give advice - it's up to you really. I can only say what I'm doing, and the people I'm copying have made more than that so your situation doesn't sound great. You never know though - they might just start doing really well suddenly...
Sir your videos are very useful for us please made 1 video for etoro entry point how to verify entry point thank you
Thank you :) You mean the verification process when you sign up?
Social Trading Vlog yes
Yeah, I think that's a useful one to make - a few people have asked about it.
I've had issues on removing my money from a trader. Can you explain how that works? Thank you
it might be that it was waiting to close one or more unclosed assets due to their relevant markets being closed for a holiday of some sort? Sorry for the late response.
The no login charges seem unnecessary, they could catch you out if your a part timer or have a busy year for whatever reason
Yeah, I thought that was a bit naughty too... Mind you, I'm in there checking fairly frequently, so hopefully it won't get me, but who knows...
Social Trading Vlog if your moving from long term stocks it could be missed , although on second thought a whole year to log in is not too bad I guess. If they tell you about the potential charges I suppose it’s fair enough
Yeah that's kind of how I see it. All fees are obviously still annoying though :)
Hi i am using demo account and i am copying traders do i have to constantly look at the profit i make and close it when i think its high enough? Or does the trader that i am copying closes ot himself when the maximum amount of profit is made?
The trader you're copying closes the trade when they feel it's right to do so...
Conversely, if you think that you have made enough money you can choose to stop copying and get out! The trader might be expecting a bigger profit but he could be wrong:)
What is the best avg holding time for a trader to copy?
Hi there - I don't think there is one really... The only thing I'd say is that if someone uses a lot of leverage in their trades and holds onto them for a long time, that will create fees - so that's not too great. But they'll just be removed from your profit within that trade anyhow, and it's easy to see them. I copy Jaynemesis, and he trades very very frequently (opens and closes positions) but others trade much less frequently, but still make lots of profit. They all have their own individual style really. I just try to look at their historical statistics and see if they're making money overall. At least that's what I do so far... I do watch what they're trading, and if someone holds trades for a very long average time, then I would think that might mean that if I copy them and don't "copy open trades", it will take a while before my money is used up in active trades, but that's about it really. I'm not sure how else to judge that one :)
Hi I wonder if you can help. I've just followed Jay on Etoro and lost around 3% over the past week. That's fine until I noticed that Etoro have said that he made 16% over the past week. I'm a bit confused at the discrepancy. Obviously it's something I don't quite understand as all of the people I copy made a loss over the last 7 days and apart from Jay have been reported as making profits between 60% and even over 100% when to me it was a loss. Thanks
Probably when you started copying Jay the price of the positions he had opened weeks and months earlier have gone up now and he sold it was a profit for him but a loss for you.
For example, if Jay weeks ago bought a stock for $50 and the stock price now is worth $100, you copy him and you get charged the current price of the stock which is $100. If after a few days the price of the stock goes down to $90 and Jay decides to sell in order not to lose all the gains on the position, since you are copying him you also sell. Jay made a profit of $40 on the stock, you on the other hand lost $10 on the stock.
This is why some people do not use the "copy open trades" function.
I hope it makes sense for you!
In the Deutsche Bank they say you pay 8 € per order and that's it. Why does etoro have all these fees? Why is it so opaque?
I think that most exchanges have spread fees and overnight fees and withdrawal fees from what I can see. I don't like fees either, but I don't think it's actually unusual to have them - at least not from what I've seen so far. I've talked to classical brokers, and they charge even more fees for managing money. I don't know about Deutsche Bank though - maybe they have a really good deal.
Hi,
I hope you have heard about the "Stop Loss" cancelled on all cryptocurrencies by eToro. Do you think it is sensible now to stop trading cryptocurrencies on eToro because of this decision? I have invested quite a lot in 3 of the cryptos. But I do have some investment Tech stocks as well. I was fearing that there might be big sell off of the cryptos because of this decision.
Thank you for your help
The crypto market is way way bigger than Etoro's trading share, so decisions on Etoro are highly unlikely to affect the global crypto market really. Maybe a tiny bit, but not to the point where it will cause wild fluctuations. At the moment I'm only trading cryptos through copytrading - I'm not doing it manually at the moment, as I don't want to spend all that time and worry watching my screen all the time with all that tension - I'm letting other traders do all that and just copying them :) It's going well for now. As for the stop losses, I used to rely on them when trading manually too, although they rarely got triggered - so now I guess you can either watch the screen more constantly, or have a longer term strategy based on fundamental analysis (is this crypto genuinely useful / valuable - do i think it will rise over the next 1 months?) and let it fluctuate up and down without worrying too much as you see a long term trend. OR copytrade and let other people do that same thinking (what I'm actually doing). I hope it goes well for you!
Many thanks for replying. Yes, copytrading seems to be a way round this. And also I think "CopyFunds" seems to a solution.
Not related to to this topic, you look somewhat like ex-England cricketer Kevin Pietersen.
hehehehe. I'll go look him up now ...
Would one need to watch for the GBP/USD rates to see best time to deposit Uk pounds into etoro. .?
Ideally, yeah I think, but who knows what's going to happen with that in future, so it's hard to see what things will be like when you need to withdraw it again. Bit of difficult one really.
To be honest, I've never really had enough money going in that I was waiting for the best entry point - I just added it. Your version sounds wiser!
Good job 👏
Thank you :)
@Social Trading Vlog Hi, how much (%) etoro will charge on profit if the leverage would be X10?
Hi there - they make money on spread fees rather than commission on profits. If you go to the help section, you will see all of the help topics, and there's a 'fees' page. check there for the spread fees. If you're using leverage, you will also be charged 'overnight' and 'weekend' fees for as long as you hold the asset.
more leverage means you'll purchase more units, which will mean higher overnight and weekend fees
I copied someone but there is fee on portfolio that i've copied. what does that mean?
it means that on some trades they're doing, and therefore, you've copied, they are using leverage - when you use leverage, you have to pay tiny fees called 'overnight' and 'weekend' fees continuously while you hold the asset. When you're copying someone, since you copy the whole trade they make (including any leverage used on the trade) you also get charged these fees. The thing is, using leverage can mean higher fees, but also higher profit which cancels out the fees... You can read more about overnight fees in the 'fees' section which you'll find in the 'help' section.
wow Tesla trading at 300$ is a dream.. 6th July 2020 going for 1200$
Hindsight eh :) amazing and also frustrating!
can i trade on etoto and withdraw to my credit or debit card??
Yep, it automatically withdraws money to wherever the money was credited from I believe.
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just a funny moment there!)) Keep it up Tom! You are truly a great help for all of us here.
are the fees deducted before the profit shown or after?
Before (I think) - the profit includes money which has been lost through fees. It's possible to check this in your virtual portfolio - just find a trader you've copied in there who has incurred any fees, stop the copy and see how much actually gets returned to your available balance. (I just tried this but it's Sunday, so I have to wait until tomorrow when the exchanges are open for the trades to actually close...) But as far as I know, the fees are already reflected in the profit. So... Before :)
How much have you made being on Etoro? Is there somewhere I could see your statements/data?
Nope, no overall place I could show you, apart from my profit seen in my portfolio in the videos... I think I'm at about break-even. *I think.
@@SocialTrading Have you invested a lot?
@@SocialTrading break even ? Why, when all the best traders have 30% average 12 month profits ( only 2018 was bad for a lot of them ) and you are copying for at least 3 years ?
Should i copy trade or not ? I'm very interested in it and am prepared to take the risk even tho i think it's a no brainer that i will be in nice profit in three years time. What are your thoughts ?
Don't worry, i will copy anyway i have already decided.
So basically, if im a copy trader, all that i need to really concern about is the conversion fee and the withdrawal fee, ok thanks
Overnight and weekend fees will also apply. And spread fees too... they'll all apply to your trades. I do try to keep an eye on whether the people I'm copying are racking up big overnight fees or not - I find it useful to keep an eye on it.
@@SocialTrading ok...i will remember it
what are pips?
Hi there - here's a better explanation than i can give here : www.investopedia.com/terms/p/pip.asp
i like that view
Yeah, it's pretty lovely
i need help in etoro please help me
That's why I'm making the videos... Passing on what I know :)
This guy is hired by ETORO and nothing is gonna change untill you find right broker
I'm an affiliate but no, they don't pay me to make these videos directly - im not an etoro employee.
Question does the trader you copy gets some type of commission?
I made a video series about the ;'popular investor program' which shows the rewards and benefits popular investors get for having copiers:
ruclips.net/video/l83O5o6Tbls/видео.html
Why you not trade on Forex too? Every large trader work there
I'm just copy trading on Etoro - it's much better for me as I'm still learning how to trade, and the people I'm copying are already good at it...
I am about to copy you,so be carefoul man :)) :P
I'll do my best, but it's really up to the people I copy :)
:)
Please make a video on the sites you use to learn about trading, and why. Which ones you like the most and why.
But different than this one ruclips.net/video/fCsZUgbG5Nk/видео.html which is very light talk.
Would be a video like a guided tour on those sites, what you look for, which sections, what info, the ones you have account at and so on.
Also a video on the videos on youtube you like the most and from which you've learned the most would be really cool to follow.
Cheers, keep up the good work.
Hi there - firstly thanks :)
About the resources - I'll have a think about that and maybe see if I can do that as a video. For now though, someone asked me for good learning resources the other day and earlier today I asked another trader on Etoro to put together a list of all the resources she used when she was learning as she's struck me as very thorough and well-informed. Here's the post she made today on my wall which has a lot of resources linked in it : www.etoro.com/posts/0__entry__11fa02ea-1cfa-40a9-a03a-eec26db02564
Hope you can open that link, and hope it helps!
Thank you so much. I really enjoy your videos, am learning from them and they're quite entertaining as well.
I already started watching the one from Anton Kreil and it is AMAZING!! Thank you for sharing it.
Cheers!
Yeah, he's fantastic to listen too. scary, but good.
u look like Simon cowel
:)
Tesla at 306 😯😯😯😯😯😱😂
yep... Hindsight :)
Etoro should hire u lol
They can throw money at me whenever they want :)
totally agree! Tom really helped us all. I can't imagine how much you've helped etoro in letting new people in. They should really pay you for all these videos.
@@MrTerryforsyth Do like him .idiot !