As a burn victim i can promise you nothing is worse than burning to death. Drowning or suffocating would be a treat in comparison. You lack oxygen and then die while unconscious... theres a reason nearly every culture depicts hell as endless fire.
@@the_original_Bilb_Ono I hope you are well, that would be a horrific ordeal to have gone through. While I see your point about fire, my fear about deep open water exasperated my fear of drowning, and I'm sure both are the top of the list of worst ways to go.
To me, crushes are probably the most horrifying accidents you've covered, spending your last hours being suffocated by other people desperately trying to survive
And the fact that so many people are there and no one is helping, it's like if you were drowning while a bunch of lifeguards stand by the edge of the pool watching..
@@kiers7295 people couldn't help because they couldn't move. The ones in the back were pushing bc they didn't know people were being literally crushed. The ones up front who escaped went to the cops for help, who then refused. The cops / concert venue staff should have taken control. This is far from the first time in history of this happening, especially at a venue. They should have anticipated and planned for this. Why were the cops even there if not to protect the people?
@@RumbleFish69 I may be wrong but I think they meant that they had been there for a few hours and over the course of the day were becoming more and more crushed as the space began to fill, the deaths themselves would have only been minutes after the final sound check began; prompting those outside to make a final push into the venue.
Same. I hate crowds and avoid them for this reason. Hearing about the ppl w their mouths open just gasping for air... Literally like sardines in a can! Horrifying and inhumane...
It makes me so sad to think that these people were probably counting down the days/weeks to this concert.. not knowing they were essentially counting down to their death. These easily preventable deaths are so frustrating!
Yea. I thought of the WHO concert disaster after hearing the news. I was born in 1984, and only heard about it because of this channel. History repeats it self it seems.😔
i was once in a stampede in LA at a hardcore concert. i was shoved to the ground by a 250 lb plus guy, and i only weigh 100lbs, after getting my legs trampled and protecting my head a huge guy scooped me up and threw me over his shoulder while running to get pet everyone he literally saved my life. he rushed to the side of the gates and dropped me off and left. if you’re reading this i never got to thank you for literally saving my life and i’m so grateful i looked for you in the crowd all night but couldn’t find you. little guys need a big dude sometimes too. thanks man. you’re a real one
I just connected the dots while watching this video. One of Weird Al Yankovic's earliest songs was called 'Another One Rides the Bus', which was a parody of Queen's 'Another One Bites the Dust'. It's about being trapped in an overcrowded bus. But one of lines is: 'I haven't been a crowd like this since I went to see the Who!' At the time I thought it was just a random comparison to being in a rock concert, but just now I realized he was referring to this incident.
See, this now makes me appreciate those huge, maze-like line barriers you find in veneues now. Easy to forget why they exist until you realize stuff like this has happened.
I worked in a parking lot for a baseball team... During bobblehead giveaways everyone trying to be first would drive up to the front and it would be crazy dangerous so many people almost get hit by cars
Different times, different culture. If you did not live through the 70s, you would not understand. It's only since 2000 or so that Americans are willing to submit to cavity searches and security theater. The conservative industrial overlords have brainwashed the ignorant masses.
I took a date there. We were part of the majority that didn’t learn about the tragedy until after the concert. It wasn’t until we were In the parking lot when we overheard the people in the car next to us talking about the people that died. We were shocked and struck up a conversation . They were in the group that was locked in the crush. They told us how bad and chaotic it was. They didn’t even realize that people had died until they overheard it on the radio. We turned our car radio on. It was set to station, WEBN. News of the tragedy and deaths was all over the airways. We exited the parking lot, found a pay phone and called our parents to let them know we were ok. We had been waiting on the plaza About halfway between the top of the steps from ground level to the front doors. It was very cold and we were all bundled up. Everything was pretty relaxed up until the sound check mentioned in the video. We all thought that the concert was starting and that the doors would be opening. The crowd including us surged forward. In my opinion the sound check was the catalyst. The sound check stopped But the doors weren’t opening. There was a lot of confusion. The situation was becoming very intense. Someone from the staff came around from the north side of the stadium and announced that the side doors were opening. The crowd shouted back at them that they were lying. My date barely weighed 100 pounds and was pushed up against taller people and looking scared. I was in a crush type situation at a Rolling Stones concert in 1978 at Chicago soldiers Field. I wanted no part of this. Even if it meant not getting a good spot. I decided we needed to get out. I grabbed her. Stood my ground And back-stepped a little.Soon we were out of the crush And decided to take our chances on that side door. We wound up getting good spots on the floor along the boards that outlined the ice rink that was built for the recently defunct Cincinnati stingers. No one around us was aware of the tragedy unfolding at the main entrance. We’ve been married for 40 years now and occasionally talk about that night, thinking about those who lost their lives and what could have been for them and their families. The tragedy at Astroworld was another one of those occasions. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
I was 22 when a group of us went to that concert. We were on the other side I remember the rush of people but don't remember hearing about it until the next day. I think we popped in an 8-track and went back to my apartment with a group of us after the concert. Never even knew what all it happened.
Heritage Bank Center is just begging for this to happen from its design. It definitely feels like the concourses, aisles, and doors were made for a venue with a much smaller capacity
absolutely bro.agree 100 % .what abonehead Townshend was to go and do a soundcheck 15 mins. before showtime (bonehead). damn right it was the catalyst.up to that point the crowd was well behaved and not unruly at all. docile if you will. soundchecks are done early in the day. then a band returns to the venue nearer showtime. never mind the hotel parties.Pete made a bad decision!!!
@@raykopp9522 I think it's unfair to put this all on Townshend. I'm sure there were many other people involved in the decision making process during concert tours. Typically there is an itinerary drawn up for each show and the band follows the timeline they are given.
Personally, I'm actually good with the venue owners going ahead with the show. It allowed the staff to deal with the dead and injured... they were right: Sending everyone home would have just caused another crush, and more chaos.
@@arianebolt1575 oh god no that wasn't the same. That was absolute carnage. It wasn't a stampede they were worried about it was a final destination style crash! That should have completely shut everything down to stop any further damage and help the injured.
@@od3910 Maybe. As I recall, they kept it going because they knew if they shut it down everyone would leave, clogging the roads with traffic that would impede ambulances. Or so they claimed afterwards.
@@Coygon Correct. They had to keep going in order to allow emergency vehicles to get to and from the accident area and spectators leaving would have jammed all of the roads.
This is the reason why I dont attend concerts. I have only done it once in my life.. I was in the front near the stage watching Armin Van Buuren and Benny Benassi. People were pushing from behind and it led me to rub against a lady in front of me. I apologized to her lol but she took my hand and put it against her crotch lol then she started grinding her butt on me. lol After doing that for 5 mins she took my hand and was leading me through the crowd taking me somewhere but I lost her because the crowd was massive.
@@GeekRaj I've attended many a concert, but I've always refused to buy general admission tickets. If a concert doesn't offer lower or upper prom assigned seating, I don't go. General admission tickets generally sucked anyway because only the first row and tall people can actually see the band perform, the rest of us could only hear it. If I want to listen to a show, I'll stay home and listen to the album instead. I go to see a band perform. By the time most venues had moved to assigned seating on the floor, it didn't really much change. Once the concert started, people were out of their seats and jamming up against the stage. It's not like the ushers stopped people on the floor from moving around once the concert started. That stage crushing lasted until venues wised up and started placing security guards and barricades in front of the stage to keep people back. That, and ejecting people who are unwilling to follow security staff instructions. To avoid the crowds, I also choose to arrive just after the doors opened to avoid the early crush of people and I always chose to leave just before the final encore to avoid the final crush on the way out, including car traffic jams. Missing the final encore sucks, but it's way better than getting jammed up in a crush of drunk and stoned people.
The blaming of the victims and demonising them as "crazed on drugs" is exactly what happened to the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough in 1989,except they were accused of being drunk. I can imagine those 15 yo girls had little or no chance in a crush 😔
i knew the incident in this video reminded me of something but i couldn't quite remember what. i'd quite like to see the hillsborough disaster covered on this channel tbh
Yeah, noone in the crowd is to blame. Just like all consumer decisions we make. I'm just a part of the system, i had nothing to do with it, therefore i shall not be responsible. Nice how that works, isn't it? I really hope some people actually felt bad for knowing they added to the force that killed people.
I can only imagine how terrifying that would have been. This incident is scarily reminiscent of the Victoria Hall accident previously covered on this channel.
@@adrielsebastian5216 Indeed. But, thankfully, both events led to enhanced safety procedures. Crash bars, for instance, were developed in response to Victoria Hall.
I was talking about Hillsborough with my Ma (do yourself a favour and don't look at survivors' descriptions of that crush - the stuff of fucking nightmares) and she was telling me that [non-lethal] crushes weren't uncommon in football, and she'd actually been in at least one. She's only five foot and the supporters were packed in so tightly the air was being squeezed out her. fortunately a tall bloke standing next to her saw what happening and lifted her up so she could get some air.
@@thepanpiper7715 I wasonce squeezed up against a stage at Lollapalooza. It was just like that. The air was pushed out of my lungs. Stage hands lifted me up onto the stage but it waa scary. I don't like large crowds and this was a smaller side stage and it still happened. The way it was set up my upper body was being pushed at a different angle, slightly forward. I did stick around although in the back. It happened to others as well.
I’ve been in a minor crush before and even though it was only for a few seconds, I couldn’t breathe and my chest hurt and I could feel myself panicking because of it. Just imagining it being worse is terrifying. I’m so sorry for all of the families of the lost loved ones.
Exactly the same happened to me. Only a few seconds, but the fear was so real. Being in a crowd where they start pushing from both sides, just for fun, not being able to do anything about it. I always think about that when I hear about one of these crushing accidents. I can't imagine what it would actually be like to not have the pushing stop.
christ, I can't imagine later seeing blood on my shoes, after surviving such an event, just knowing you inadvertently hurt people and couldn't do anything about it. Let alone the who. Imagine the guilt, insane.
Thank god something like that could never happen to me. For me worst case scenario I go in until everyone is so tight that I dont have a hands reach arround me, at which point I will stop and stand my ground, if someone enters my space I tell them to back of, if someone tuches me I push them back, then if someone gets pushed on to me and pushes me I punch him when he get mad and sayes that he himself was pushed I grab him by his clothes and swap places with him and continue to stand my ground. I might have bloody fists for having broken many noses and might have a broken nose myself but I will not have been deep enough to where people are getting crushed.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 sorry but its not that easy, you would be swept up in the crowd like everyone else. Your strength to stand your ground is nothing compared to fifty people pushing you forward. You start punching people? Can't, your arms are pinned to your sides. There'd be no room to swap places with the person behind you. The only way is if the majority of people decide to stop and wait
@@pungetello You misunderstand me, I am not that deep in. I stop the moment I cant strech out my arms all arround me so no Im not pinned. What Im describing is what id do in the outskirts not the core. What I sayed is why I would not get in to the core to begging with. If somehow I did get to be in the core I am quite avare that I could do nothing. Altho with the average age being early 20s a large 1,82m tall 100kg with little fat late 30s man like me could proapbly keep himself form getting crushed.
The Who were willing to mention this the next night on their tour but the venue refused to mention it with some kind of memorial for 35 fucking years!! no doubt due to not wanting the "bad publicity" .. really shameful.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 hmm okay.. but you'll probably have to wait until everyone else is in and get the worst seat (could be worth it though)
Does anybody really believe a few police officers could have done ANYTHING to change the outcome?!?!? They couldn't have done anything, partially because there were multiple causes of this tragedy all directly related to facility mismanagement, plus the crowd was composed of a lot of idiots that have the same stupid attitude about police that some of these commenters have. They wouldnt have listened to anything the police instructed them to do.
The "it's city property" response is the most infuriating part of it; what they're actually saying is "yeah, it's our fault, but _technically_ we can't be held accountable." Not even addressing the issue, just dodging blame.
For sure! They could have said something like "We don't actually own the property outside the venue, but we intend to work with the city to ensure this never happens again".
revisiting this after the crush at astroworld. crushes are almost always avoidable, poor management KILLS people. its sickening how few people care and instead choose to blame "unruly fans". i have been part of a mini-crush and it was terrifying. i was afraid i wouldnt leave the pit, i could barely breathe and as i tried to get out i had people pushing me closer to the stage i was trying to get escape from. i do not feel dramatic saying escape because thats what it felt like i was trying to do. my heart goes out to everybody affected by concert crushes. until artists and venues start to care about concert-goers these things wont stop
Im here also after this tragedy. Im not a concert goer and not gonna lie I forget people still go to concerts sometimes. After watching videos of it happening at many different events has now brought out a new fear in me.
@@erinsmith9241 it's a big part of why I prefer being in the back of crowds at concerts that are standing events, that and faster exit options if something like a fire happens, I can get the exact same experience 200 feet away as 10 feet away and not be squeezed uncontrollably on 3 or more sides
@8MoneyIzmyMission8 Imagine saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" regarding a situation where 8 people were killed. What the fuck is wrong with you? The victims didn't choose to die and you saying that implies that they did.
@@8MoneyIzmyMission8 how? The victims didn't do anything wrong, and even then, it's the fault of those running and hosting the event, they are the ones to ensure the safety of those attending their events.
I was caught in a crush at a festival after one of the bands had finished playing and everyone moved at once towards the stage. I was panicking, I had lost my hat and my wellies were getting stuck in the mud. I started shouting for help, thankfully some guy scooped me up and plonked me down at the sidelines. I was so grateful, I offered him one of the doughnuts I had been carrying and he gladly accepted. I'll never forget that dude.
There are so many stories like this in the comments that I find comforting as a short skinny person, honestly these people are the backbone of crowded events. shout out to some guy(s) who help out smaller people struggling in crowds, hope they're all having a good day
I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to be a victim of the crush, but how horrific would it be to NOT be a victim of the crush? To realize that YOU had contributed to CRUSHING SOMEONE TO DEATH.
In a horrible way it's actually best to be horrified by something like that... It's much more horrible to walk away thinking "Oh well" or "It wasn't my job, I'm just a cop in charge of crowd control, what did those druggie hippies expect me to do..."
Yea I had just been informed on what happened by a friend and I immediately tried to find this video to send it to them. We’re both horrified that something terrible like this has happened again.
@@jdrizzle96 You want to see a real terrifying crush. Look up the actually camera footage of “The Station House Fire”. Happened when the band “Great White” played in an over crowded venue and decided to use outdoor pyrotechnics indoors in the early 2000’s in Rhode Island. A cameraman caught the start of the fire, and got out a second before the “Crush” formed at the exit. You see exactly what a ”Crush” looks like and how difficult it is to pull people out of it. You also hear the screams of terror and desperation as people die from smoke inhalation and burn to death. Yea. I did not like crowded venues even before seeing that footage. 100 died that day. You see one last survivor leap from a window, their hair completely on fire. Also, look up the Iroquois Theater Fire, The Coconut Grove Fire, The Ringling Brother Circus Fire, and the Triangle Coat Fire. There was a recent upload about when a person falsely shouted “Fire” in a Christmas event in the early 20th century and a panicked “Crush” of parents and kids in a doorway killed 2 adults and over a dozen kids. That’s why it’s a Federal offense to shout “Fire” falsely to this day.
The victims were so young, holy shit. Attending an amazing event during the greatest times of their lives, and suddenly they're just dead, in the most unexpected and awful way.
But the animals composing the stampede were also young. Youth, like everything in life, has its pros and cons. Life, on the other hand, is always unpredictable.
Its because they where so young. You dont see people in their 30s and letter rushing to see anything that is scheduled. Where as you do see school children piling up before getting food something they will be given regardless of when they show up.
My dad was there but arrived late. He saw the bodies on the ground and assumed someone was passing out bad acid. When the concert ended early they still didn't know what was going on. When they left the venue the press was all over the place. They found a nearby pay phone to call and tell their families they were okay. He was 22 at the time.
I was 11 and on the road with my dad who was the musical conductor with Holiday on Ice when I saw the newspaper headline about this. We played there about 2 weeks later. I was running around the building with the star of the show's daughter when we came upon what we thought must have been where this happened. We both felt a difference in the atmosphere, it was a very eerie feeling, so we jumped the turnstiles to check it out and we saw what we thought was a bloodstain on the wall and one under the black mats on the floor with a lot of smaller stains all over the place, I guess because concrete is porous. What surprised us was how small the area was, it looks a lot bigger in the pictures. We just couldn't believe so many people died in such a small space so we said a little prayer for the souls and got out of there. My question is- did we have the right place? Where we were was actually triangular and not rectangular like it looks in the pictures because it sure felt like we were. Anyway we hoped we did the right thing if we were.
I'm not sure if it ended early. I've got an audio recording of the concert. It's 2 hours long. They played fewer songs then some other shows on the tour, but 2 hours is about it for a Who concert back then.
They didn't do an encore. I heard the band wasn't aware of what happened during the main show either and when they went off they were told and refused to do an encore or address the crowd. They just abruptly turned on the lights. That's the way my dad tells it anyhow.
i was almost pulled into a crowd crush 2 years ago when i attended a rave. i’m only 4’11 (149cm) so you could imagine my fear of nearly falling over and being stomped on. i have asthma as well, so i was panicking thinking i would pass out due to the lack of oxygen that was being produced. thankfully, two men who were much taller than me wrapped their arms underneath my own to keep me from falling over, and they helped me get out of the crowd so i could breathe. i’ll never forget those two, and i wish i had gotten their names so i could thank them properly.
Felt there was some eerie parallels with the Hillsborough Disaster, whereby for years victims and their families had to campaign for justice against a media that initially painted them all as drunk football hooligans.
@@generallordjowbra8871 Journalism is a job that pays, meaning it's a business. The stupid decisions the media makes can often be traced back to the fact that: *It wasn’t in their interests since it wasn’t profitable...*
@@CrisisHedgehog I completely agree with you. So they take money to lie and propagate people, which makes them the scum of the earth. Many of these morons believe that Jimmy Kimmel (the "juggie" guy) is actual news. It's such a sad state of affairs.
I've been caught in a mass of people like that before and that was terrifying. Thankfully, I didn't get stuck and I managed to get back on my feet because it wasn't even nearly as much people as those concert goers. I can't even imagine getting genuinely stuck in that situation and getting trampled without hope of getting helped
@@NoArtisticLimitation The hillsborough football one still scares the ever living crap out of me. I'm not entirely sure of the exact timescale, but when I was a kid I spent time in sheffield with my mum and her partner at the time who was a massive football fan. I had been in both of those football grounds. I still shudder at the thought of what could have happened.
Yeah I didn’t realize I’ve been in a minor crush before in a concert and elsewhere. It’s like the memories of it came back to me. I’m a very short person too so all I can think now is “it might’ve been me” if a fire or something happened and caused people to panic. It was fun at the time when I was 16 and the crush pushed me to the front of the concert (standing room venue), but now I realize how dangerous it is.
Me too I was once stuck in a tightly packed crowd leaving a Rolling Stones concert in London. Thousands of people moving shoulder to shoulder through an underpass tunnel at snail speed. It seemed to take forever and I remember how hot it was and how worried and uncomfortable I felt. Thankfully the crowd behaved and nobody did anything stupid to start a push or panic. Sooo relieved when we were out of that tunnel! 😬
My mom was at this concert, she and her friends were late just saw all the medical staff attending to people outside as they went in. She said she didn’t even know what happened until reading the papers the next day.
My dad was also there and he said the same thing. He said he knew things were getting “a little out of control” but he didn’t realize how bad everything actually was until the next day.
At 5 o'clock this morning California time, I woke up to learn that eight people died at AstroWorld in Houston Texas at a rap/reggae concert. My daughter was at the concert last night. I was a senior in high school in 1979, and remember vividly the end of "general seating" because of the WHO concert disaster. This morning, my daughter's phone wasn't answering, so I had no idea for over an hour if my daughter was even alive. Naturally, being 2000 miles away from Houston Texas didn't help. But it reminded me that I was 2000 miles away from Cincinnati Ohio when 11 teenagers died in a similar incident. I had to wonder, "will most people not care just like I didn't care about those 11 people - who I didn't know in 1979- if it turns out that my daughter died in November 2021 at a similar concert?" "Will I spend the rest of my life regretting that I bought my daughter a ticket to go to a concert, and never be able to enjoy another concert as long as I live because I literally bought the ticket to my daughters death?" I called the Houston Office of Emergency Services, and gave my daughters information to them, wondering if they were going to find my daughters name among the dead or injured. I even called T-Mobile, and asked if there was someway they could track my daughters phone and determine if it was on, and if they could get it to ring, or if they could look up any history to determine if she was alive after the deaths took place in Houston. When my daughter finally texted me that she was OK at around 6 o'clock in the morning California time, I naturally was able to sense relief that my daughter was not among the dead. It's been a difficult morning, but it's a weird feeling to think that you will be happy to find out that your daughter might be in a hospital injured because it certainly beats being dead. The only thing dead, as far as my daughter is concerned, was her phone. I revisited this video of the WHO concert, because I have a feeling that the events in Houston Texas last night will turn out to be very similar to what happened in 1979. If I gave a listing of all the live concerts that I've seen, it would be a Who's Who of anyone who was anyone in the rock 'n' roll world from 1978 through 1982. Going to live concerts is one of the most wonderful experiences I have ever had, and I can remember those events from my teenage and early adult years just like it was yesterday. In 1979 I stood just a few feet away from Angus, as he played his guitar down on the grass at "Day on the Green" at the Oakland Coliseum as all the other bands played after AC/DC opened. Van Halen and Aerosmith played that day too. Admittedly, I didn't even know it was Angus, and I thought it was just someone dressed up like him playing a guitar with his head rocking up and down for hours. Great memories. So when my daughter begged me to let her go to this AstroWorld concert, even though it was in Houston Texas, and she's just a teenager, I looked back to my own childhood and decided that she should be allowed to do what she wants to do and have those lifelong experiences that I cherish so much. But, I got admit, I spent well over an hour wishing I had never let her go, and that I had never bought that ticket, because I actually thought that she was dead. Not only is she not dead, but she said that she wasn't even sure what happened with the crowd, and that the concert ended early - but she wasn't sure why. Like a typical teenager, she asked if it was OK if she went to the Houston malls today with her friends since the rest of the concert was canceled for today. I had to weigh out the thought in my mind that if my daughter had died at that concert, the only consolation I had was that she died doing what she loved. But it wasn't my daughters turn last night. To you parents who let your kids go to that WHO concert in 1979, I hope you have forgiven yourselves. I can honestly say I know a tiny, little bit about what it must feel like to know that you bought the concert ticket that resulted in your child's death. And to you parents who went to or bought tickets for your kids to go to AstroWorld in Houston, and they died there, I hope you're able to forgive yourselves. ✌️
@@imogen1864 Thank you. She texted me that she bought a really cool "Death Row Records" shirt at the mall. So normal for kids to believe they are invincible to death.
It’s nice to hear from someone who vividly remembers the 1979 Who Cincinnati tragedy,(I learned about it while watching the 2001 VH1 Documentary 100 Most Shocking Moments in Rock N’ Roll back when it aired while I was a Senior in HS myself)it’s a little fascinating to hear it from a Father who’s quite a late bloomer for having a Teen daughter. I’m glad you’re daughters ok. I Patrol here as Loss Prevention in the NRG Area of Houston and was actually on patrol at one of its Hotels when it happened. The Astroworld festival tragedy occurred here Friday night for the exact same reasons they did 42 years ago in Cincinnati. Festival Seating was never banned here in Texas even when it should have, like Cincinnati, the crowd here was young,rowdy and overeager. What’s worse is that here in Texas, if you’re not Level II licensed, you get paid absolutely next to nothing for Security work especially volunteer. So the massive shortage of Security Officers at Reliant Stadium Is no shock. Unlike the Asshole Cincinnati PD(back during the decade when Detectives didn’t know their way out of a paper bag and when Cops were so conceited and stupid) the Houston PD were too busy assigned to tracking the massive catalytic converter rings that have infested NRG for several months so none of them were assigned to the concert.
"I had to wonder, "will most people not care just like I didn't care about those 11 people - who I didn't know in 1979- if it turns out that my daughter died in November 2021 at a similar concert?"" Almost everyone is fucking OUTRAGED this time, and blames everyone involved with the concert as opposed to the crowd itself. Because the WHO concert wasn't the last time this happened, the people involved this time knew EXACTLY what could happen and they didn't give a shit. Glad your daughter wasn't harmed
As someone who got stuck in a crush at a concert....it is hell on earth. I have few memories of that night but I remember stumbling outside and just bursting into tears and hyperventilating. I was just standing in the crowd. I couldn’t move for 4 hours. The band was late. Security locked us in. People started having seizures. I could have passed out but no one would know because I’d still be upright. It was a nightmare.
I still have memories of when I was caught in a crush outside a venue. I actually heavily bruised almost all of my ribs. I don't want to know what might have happened if the people around me (that I had been talking to all day) hadn't pushed towards the outside of our little circle to give me room in the center. They managed to get the pressure of the crowd off me long enough to get me close enough to a security guard who then pulled me into the entrance.
I was at a concert a few years ago and stood in the crowd. People started to “run” and move towards the stage and then back again. Like waves. I got stuck because people in front of me stepped on my feet as they moved back and people behind me tried to push me forward. It was so freaking scary I couldn’t move at all and almost fell because of my feet being stuck under other people.
@@elli5054 I believe you've experienced a mosh pit. There are a specific, horrible idea that some festival and concert goers think is a must at every festival and/or concert they attend, which is to start a mosh pit. A mosh pit is essentially a crush, but a deliberate one instead of an accidental one caused by panic. Mosh pits have also, quite often even, caused fatalities and yet the people involved in starting them and keeping them going, still doesn't stop starting them. Not even those who have witnessed the deaths caused by the mosh pits. Only a small number of people who have either started or participated in deadly mosh pits have stopped doing so. Mosh pits are horrible
I worked with a retired Cincinnati Police officer who arrived on the scene that night and tried reviving several of the victims. He didn't go into detail, but I could tell that all those years later it still hurt like it was yesterday. 😔
“Their bodies were held in a standing position.” Wow. I can not imagine what it would have been like to discover you survived and the person pushed up against you was dead only when the body fell down.
I will complain about assigned seating. If we lived in a civilized society it would not be neceserry. I will not be hearded like an animal, and if you say most people are stupid as animals I will tell you that their deaths do to stampedes and crushes are then to be encouraged for it brings natural selection for people like me who are calm patient hold their ground and awoyd crowds.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 assigned seating makes you feel like a herded animal? Do you hate things just because it takes away your "freedom"? Or what? That just sounds childish to be angry with that. Accidents can happen, does not mean that some ov those folks deserved to die over it. I do not think animals are stupid so I do not like that comparison. Makes no sense since we are different species. A stupid person is just a stupid person, but even smart people can do dumb things. Happens to us all.
@@user-us1yu8gx9s Im a very good person actually. Polite, kind, charitable, eager to help, good looking never threatening, I dont lie or steal from anyone, I dont and wont ever cheat on my marrige, I take grate care to make sure the enviroment I live in looks good but am no perfectionist, I speak softly and in a deep voice, I do my best to make sure people are happy.
At a certain point a crowd of people starts acting like a liquid and fluid dynamics can be applied. When this happens an individual has no control over where they go and are at the mercy of the crowd. That's why crushes are so dangerous and why crowd control is so important.
Bro no kidding I saw vids of that crush at the Love European festival or whatever. People have top down vids from their cameras and you can literally see the waves rippling through the crowds.
@@madmoench That's not what I'm talking about dude. I mean the crowd is so dense, like 7-8 people per square meter, that you get swept off your feet and pushed around without you being able to control it. Intelligence doesn't factor into it.
Exactly. I was there, and I use the idea of fluid dynamics to explain it. There were 18,000 people trying to get in through the only two doors which were opened. The tragedy was inevitable under those circumstances. It was like the force you'd get if you punched a hole in Hoover Dam
@@k.morningstar7983 idk hell’s angels probably would have at least _tried_ to do something. Even if only to damage the police’s reputation while boosting their own reputation towards the community
Came here after the Astroworld Crush. So horrific. Crushes can happen anywhere with crowds of people. I was in a crush in a haunted house where too many people allowed to go in at once and people piled up on each other in a narrow pathway into a dark room where no one could see anything. I was squeezed up against a wall and hit my face on the wall as I stepped on a little boys fingers who had fallen under me and I heard his fingers crunch. I was pulled out of the mess by my 6ft friend but many were severally injured. It was horrific. It's not just getting stepped on that traumatizes you. It is also trampling on other people knowing they are being hurt but you cannot control what is happening. It stays with you. I will never forget the sound of that little boys fingers cracking as the were broken under my weight. I avoid crowds of all kinds now.
I was in a minor crush at a concert one time. I am a big guy and there were a bunch of little kids in front of me. These older teens started pushing against me which caused me to start crushing the little kids in front of me. I told the teens behind me to stop pushing because they are going to hurt the little kids in front of me, but they didn’t listen. I tried pushing back but that didn’t work. Finally, I shoved those teens away from me and security finally came and tried to throw me out. The kids that I was protecting got right up in the security guards face and told them I was protecting them and I told the security guards if they did their jobs I wouldn’t have to push anyone. They let me stay after that and they told me not to push anyone again. I told them if they do their job I won’t have to push anyone.
Good for you! Sad you had to do their jobs and they threaten to throw you out, and not the people responsible. But at least you saved the kids. That is all that matters. As a father ov two, I would have done the same regardless ov it being my children or others.
Concert security is usually rent-a-cops who have insufficient training or lack the intelligence to get hired by a real police department or sheriff's office.
@@scallopohare9431 hell that applies to cops too, if you’re a large man dealing with something like a teenager or woman or just anyone smaller really even if you’re clearly in the right and the person is harassing you it can be easy for them to play it off like they’re the victim. We need to hire better educated people to be cops, I’ve heard of people literally being turned away for having too high test scores reason being “they would grow tired of police work faster” hmm almost like intelligent people are more compassionate and don’t inherently enjoy having power over people and abusing it
I I’ve seen pictures of crushes and I can’t imagine how panicked one must feel... it’s loud, it’s hot, you’re being squeezed and pushed and shoved so much that you can barely breathe, you try to call for help but no one can hear you and no one can do anything because they’re being crushed too... Jesus... this is a horrific way to go
@@MizzzFizzz Same. I don't see the hype around sporting events and concerts. Why the hell would you want to be packed in like sardines with ten thousand people?!?! Just watch the damn performance at home in the peace and comfort of your own privacy.
@@josebro352 concerts are awesome, but as they're now in a lot of venues: you have your seat and that's that I went to a metal festival in 2019 and it was an amazing experience, but now watching this video it makes me think that it could have gone bad very easily. Life is scary :(
@@Gr95dc a lot of things have to go very wrong simultaneously for the outcome to be this bad. I'd say for the most part, though, it was a failure in organization
I was there! Many times I found my feet off of the ground for several minuets, not touching anything but the people crammed around me. The issue was we could hear the band playing and many believed we were missing the show. I saw more than one pushed through the glass of the door which they were pressed against and many of us lost our shoes.
I was there as well, the same thing happened to my girlfriend and I. We were moved around like waves and had no control. Scariest thing I've ever been through and I'm a Gulf War Vet. My girlfriend got her ankle broken in the crush. We got to see the show but had no idea people were dying in the crush.
I had this experience at a show at the Hollywood Palladium. It was terrifying. We were pressed together shoulder to shoulder, and the entire mass of humanity moved at will. I had no control, and my feet weren't touching the ground. I knew then that if I fell to the floor, I would get trampled. I'm a bigger guy and could still breathe, but I can see that experience being even more terrifying for a shorter person. I have had a healthy fear/respect for GA concerts ever since.
As always , thank you for reciting the names of death to immortalize them. They won't be forgotten. It's surprising that so few past, considering the size of the event, a miracle!
@@Houleigan reminds me of how that one snarky irish true crime channel - don't want to mention his channel name - is the exact polar opposite of this presenter. He seems to gleefully and cheerily joke and poke fun at victims of gruesome murders as he shamelessly profits off of their deaths.
It is not that simple, you can’t see, you can’t breathe and you can’t control where you are going. You just pray you don’t fall down in the confusion. This can happen on buses, subways, amusement parks, in crowded pools. The venue had let two thousand extra people there. Then add the hundreds that weren’t supposed to be there. Limited staff, not enough food, bathrooms or seating and delayed entry. A complete nightmare where someone was going to die!☹️😕🙁🎆💕
This also became an episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati" and was used to help educate the public about the dangers of festival seating. A lot of places banned the practice after it aired.
I was wondering when someone would mention the WKRP episode. Considering the show was set at a radio station in Cincinnati, how could they _not_ address the incident?
I remember that episode. And as someone who was there, I was livid that they never mentioned the fact that by advance planning, the organizers only opened two doors. And that the organizers refused to open any more doors when one police officer who knew what was happening, pleaded with them to do so. They just told her no. I guess the folks doing WKRC were afraid of being sued by the people at Riverfront Coliseum.
@@gh00stie62 It's definitely not gross. It's catchy and clearly intended to be taken light heartedly, as most t-shirts with text are meant to be taken. Either you misinterpreted this, or you are just super lame.
@@fifteenfootflacid many people died because of this incident, calling it a 'light hearted' joke is plain weird. while it might have been 'appropriate' in the time, (which i can see it being an edgy, dark humour joke) it definitely shouldn't be praised as a good slogan..
When I was 15 I went to a concert and I entered the mosh pit quite near the front. It was so Terrifying how dehydrated I became so quickly I thought I would vomit as I was punched and shoved from every direction whilst crying my eyes out. I nearly passed out but luckily once a slower song started a couple people beside me noticed how sick I looked and they pushed me to the front for the crew to lift me out and get me water. strange looking back knowing I honestly could have died there had there not been a slow song and a few observant people.
I had a similar experience, except I actually did faint in the pit due to heat syncope at a concert once. Thankfully not in a crush, and kind nearby concertgoers got me out to security. But it makes hearing about these incidents so much more frightening.
@@cinthiagregoire9249 I love a mosh pit. It's like this moment in time where nothing matters but the music. The shows I go to, we ALWAYS pull people up as soon as they fall. It's part of the code, if you will. And all you have to do is motion "up" and the crowd will surf you to safety at the rail. Or if security points someone out they need to get out everyone pushes away to make a gap to get that person out.
I passed out in a mosh pit (medical condition) and some lovely kind people formed a protective circle around me so I wouldn't get squashed while waiting for help.
Consider the time...73 was still a big slopover from the 60s in a lot of ways; drugs weren't the exception, they were the norm for the cops to be dealing with at venues like this. They were TIRED of it all, many just didn't much care anymore, and that may have been part of the problem here. :( However...they were still human, and should have helped regardless. :( I hope some at least tried.
What did u expect maybe 50 to 100 cops to do with a crowd of 18k people who wouldn’t have listened to them anyway... but blame the cops if it makes them feel better...
@@hunterbidenscrackdealer3753 one cop goes in a side door, up to the second floor, and uses a megaphone to tell people to back up because the doors aren't going to open for another two hours. How about that?
@@williamchamberlain2263 did the cops even know the doors weren’t going to open? We’re u there smart guy? How about U go down to the next civil disturbance and handle it because u know people listen to what the cops say... sure thing
I’ve been in a minor crush twice. I’m a bigger girl (5 foot 9 and heavy) and I’ll tell you that when I realised I had physically been lifted off the ground and then wedged upright, about a foot off the ground and unable to do anything about it, it was truly terrifying and I was literally shocked that it had even been able to happen. I can’t imagine being stuck like that for even longer
I was at a concert in Oakland 2019. The crowd was huge and I got stuck in a small crush. It felt like my ribs and chest were being squished. I couldn't breathe and tears started streaming down my face. Luckily someone noticed me crying and trying to breathe. He started to shout to everyone to stop moving and to let me out. Amazingly everyone around me made a pathway for me to exit the crowd. One of the scariest days of my life.
i can't imagine what the guilt would be like as a concertgoer, realizing even that the act of you moving with and being pushing along by the crowd contributed to people's deaths. that's so heavy.
It’s a hard but important reminder how much power we have to help or harm people all the time, every day, and how we should think hard about everything we do and every situation we get ourselves into.
I used to street perform here regularly and go to concerts there. After I learned about this incident in HS I was always bothered that they didn't have any kind of memorial or even a placque about it there. They finally put one up in 2018 I believe. Still, so many people in town had never heard of it which really is shameful. I still feel like there are some serious safety issues at the US Bank Arena that have never been properly addressed honestly. Its all-around a subpar venue
Also as a stage tech, I had to move away from Cincy as it's still an area with hardly any live event presence, mainly due to the lasting effects of this event. Requiring seated tickets caused bands skip Cincy and even after they changed that rule all of these bands and production companies won't come to town because they don't have a proven revenue in Cincinnati while they have years of numbers to estimate from in other nearby cities. Kinda sucked, but I'm glad I moved!
Yes, US Bank arena/Coliseum needs to be torn down and replaced. They did a nice job with the baseball and football stadiums. It's an eye sore by comparison.
I once had to save my girlfriend in a crush at a concert. The headliners started playing their first song and half the crowd came rushing forward. We were near the front. She's much shorter than I am and was getting suffocated by the crowd. I remember the look of terror on her face as I pulled her to safety. She's not someone who gets scared easily. I don't say this to paint myself as heroic. I would say she's more fearless than I am. It was just an instinctual action on my part. I knew I had to get her to safety, and I did it on autopilot. Big crowds can be terrifying.
Hi I'm from Indonesia. You probably want to cover Bintaro Tragedy 1987. Worst train crash in the country. It's probably too gory and disturbing, but that was quite a (horrific) story. Stay safe everyone 🙏
I’ve always wondered why concert halls have multiple entrances with huge snaking lines. It’s sad these safety regulations come about only after a terrible human tragedy 😞
Every fire safety and building code regulation is written in blood. Read about the Cocoanut Grove fire in Boston in 1944 some time. Or the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, the Station Nightclub fire in Rhode Island in 2003, or the Our Lady of the Angels school fire in 1958.
The television show WKRP dedicated an entire episode to the incident. Set at a rock radio station in Cincinnati, the first half dealing with the buildup, and the last 10 minutes or so to the aftermath. was handled with compassion and introspection.
WKRP was usually a workplace comedy with a great ensemble cast. The concert tragedy episode ended in a serious respectful manner. Credit the actors' talents and series writers to portray their usually funny characters reacting to tragedy convincingly.
@@artytoons One of the great things about the episode, is how they dealt with the fact that none of the cast knew what had happened at the time, it was only after the concert that they discovered the information. Mr. Carlson bounding in the next morning, all excited after his first rock concert, and he hadn't listened to the news on the way in - it was a tour de force of outstanding writing combined with champagne acting.
I suffered a back injury in a crush. It’s ninth grade and the entire grade is in the gym for pictures at the end of the day. It took a little longer than expected. Bus drivers refused to wait the couple extra minutes. Cue mad dash toward the door. This is 150 kids. Kids behind are shoving for the door. I’m in the middle of the crush. I feel myself going down and scream at kids to stop pushing and wait. Next thing I know, I’m on the ground. Feet are pounding my back. I quickly protect my head. Bus drivers start pulling out to go to the middle school despite teachers screaming at them to wait. Finally, the crowd is gone. I remember things going black, and waking up a couple hours later at the local ER. Doctor tells me I’m lucky. My spine is fine. I do have some soft tissue damage along with two broken ribs, and I’m going to have a very ugly bruise later. Now that I’m awake, I’ll get to go home with some awesome drugs in a little bit. They need to take some pictures and bandage me up first. We did get a tidy sum from the district and the bus drivers were reprimanded for their behavior. Most of the sum went to my medical bills while the remaining bit was used for a road trip to Edmonton, Canada, our old stomping grounds. (Dual citizenship. Mom’s American while dad’s Canadian.)
My mother was there. Thank God, due to years prior of concert-going, she knew to stay back. This was the last time she attended a concert of this size, and she couldn't bring herself to go to any concerts at all that summer of 1980.
I was crushed at a Rolling Stones concert in 1978. It was horrific. My handbag came off my shoulder with my eyeglasses in it. After the concert and everyone cleared out I found my purse and my crushed glasses. I'm so glad they made changes to concert goers
I'm revisiting this after the recent disaster in the US. Please stay aware when you go to concerts. Drink plenty of water, know your exits, and watch out for warning signs and red flags in the crowd.
I'm from Cincinnati and my dad (25 at the time) nearly attended this concert. He was invited to go with a friend who had an extra ticket but ultimately decided not to because he wanted to spend time with his girlfriend. Normally I'd have scolded my dad for not taking the chance to see the Who, but I'm glad he didn't go to this one.
@@BL-hw4mn Same though it's clearly not the same cause ticket sales are better controlled so if there's a mosh/crush near the stage there's usually still room at the back to spread out. I got lifted from my feet a number of times but was never actually hurt and my two friends were surprised my inexperienced butt was handling the whole experience so well, My larger friend actually ended up freaking out and was pulled over the front barrier by security to go to medical (we were maybe 3 people back from the barrier when his panic attack started) His fiancee and I were able to turn back and make our way out of the crowd to wait for his release. From the sounds of this there was no room to even breathe much less back up. I do remember one 'genius' complaining about her shoes missing, who wears flip flops to a standing only concert?!
I attended the Michael Jackson concert in Cork, Ireland in 1988. They had the entire field just as standing room. The concessions to get drinks were on the arena floor. We had seats, but had gotten there early as had most people. Two tunnels opened into the center. My friend and I went to the bathroom and then to get a soda down in the arena floor. The opening act came on and people rushed through the tunnels carrying me up off my feet, I couldn’t move in any direction, I couldn’t see my friend and I was spat out as it were into the arena as the crush in the tunnel eased. Because we had VIP seats we found a Police Officer. I pointed and said we can’t go back through the tunnel, 30,000 are swarming in. He took us thru a locked side door back to our seats. Meanwhile about 40 large men in yellow shirts came out to the front of the stage and began scooping up girls and guys who had fainted or been injured as the crowd pushed and pushed and pushed forwards. The singer begged everyone in the crowd to take one step back but they did not seem to do that. Ambulances raced people away, Firemen came to the front with hoses and sprayed water over the crowd to help with the heat and dehydration. Hundreds of people were carried out and away. This was a very well organized team knowing they would be carrying people out from the crowd. I did not hear of any fatalities. Michael asked people to step back and unfortunately instead the crowd went wild and surged forwards. Now we were crying because we saw some people screamed with excitement, some were screaming in despair. If you try to find footage of his Bad concert tour that year you’ll see the men in yellow shirts carrying fans. In Switzerland they helped over 3,500, in Romania I think over 5,000. If I had to guess I’d say that 1,000 fainted in Cork. We were fine, but I swore I would never enter a crowd like that again. There were something like 65,000 people in the arena with only half having seats. I think since then no one allows that type of gathering anymore in an enclosed and locked finite space.
A few years ago Riverfront Allowed general seating for the first time again but many people were very mad about it refused to go. It was for Bruce Springsteen and 8000 tickets were available and I think only about a1000 people went to it.
@@brentvance3958 I'm glad people responded like that. Open seating is Okay for some concerts, but not all. The last concert I attended in Cincinnati had an open VIP area, but people were cool and didn't push. I was close to the front of the stage. Some men even moved and allowed me to be in front.
I was only a kid back then, and watched/listened to the concert from across the river with my family. It was a huge deal for everybody that Michael Jackson was playing in Cork! Thousands of people were lined all up along the quays watching, outside their doors, looking out their windows, etc. An older girl from my estate was at the concert, and she was right up the front, and it was said that she fainted when Michael smiled or pointed at her, but it's possible that she fainted because of the crowds and maybe he was pointing her out to security.
I've seen footage of those concerts, and people being carried off by staff.. I thought they were simply star-struck fans. But so many looked disheveled and sweaty... i didn't realize they were part of a crush. That's scary.
My favorite thing about this channel is being aware of the infrastructure that keeps us safe every day that we would never realize otherwise, and thr haunting stories behind those structures.
I was there that day, working for the concert promoter. Spent some time talking with The Who and we had no idea what was happening outside. We eventually got them back to the hotel and it was a crazy scene, getting them out of town. I have enough memories and stories to fill a book. Rest In Peace to those who died that night.
Whoever made the decision to not open more doors should have been, in my opinion, held criminally liable. One of the lines I best remember from the Rolling Stone article after the tragedy was about ticket takers watching kids be hurled over the turnstiles by the force of the crushing crowd behind them, and the staff asking for their tickets as they flew by. As always, money took precedence over lives, and that promoter, again in my opinion, had blood on their hands.
If true, then you should indeed write a book about it. I, as well as many others (I'm sure), would very much like to read/hear such a detailed account. Glad you weren't hurt. ✌
Another fact: that same night, there had been a fatal car crash from people on their way to the concert. There was a memorial for them I think last year, my dad went to school with them. The Who hasn’t returned to Cincinnati. They were planned to last year, but the pandemic canceled it.
Thank you for posting this! I was in attendance along with several friends. All 6 of us were in the middle of the crush. We drove from Columbus Ohio. I had not heard about the doors opening early. We arrived early because we knew it was general admission. We were separated due to the situation and didn't see each other again until we met in the parking lot after the concert. 5 of us waited nervously for the 6th to show up. Finally, he did. Your description of the crush was spot on! It was so hot that when I made it into the building, I was soaked with sweat. So was just about everybody else. Yet, it was freezing cold outside. Do an internet search for the P.E.M. Memorial. Roger Daltrey made an appearance there, at the high school where 3 of the 11 killed had been students. Some other things that I remember about this tragedy were the shouts of "Fuck Iran, fuck Iran" morphing into "Don't push, don't push". There was the ongoing hostage crisis in Iran. Several glass bottles were tossed at the wall the doors that hadn't opened yet and rained down on the crowd. Sadly, today is the 18th anniversary of the death of one of my friends who was with me at that concert. A van driver turned in front of him while he was riding his motorcycle.
So sad! I've always wondered about the others who went with the victims, and whether they witnessed their demise, or found out later, or what. I can't imagine going to a concert with a group of friends, and one of us didn't make it out alive.
@@jasonhaynes2952 My friend was there with his wife. Of the 6 of us that went together, they were the only ones who stayed together throughout. Fortunately, we suffered only mental affects, not the physical ones that many others experienced. I know that I didn't step on anybody, but if you fell you probably weren't getting up.
That's pretty crazy, man. Glad you weren't physically hurt. I'm sorry to hear about your friend though. :( I had a close family friend that died in a similar way about a decade ago; driving his Harley through an intersection when a drunk driver plowed into him doing like 70mph. He lived for a couple of days, but passed away as a result of his injuries. Terrible. Motorcyclists have just as much right as anyone else to be on the road, and people need to learn to keep an eye (and ear) out for them. Best wishes, man. ✌
Yes that’s exactly what crushes are like. Hot, suffocating, you are often powerless, and if you fall you probably ain’t getting up. I feel so bad for all, but the younger, weaker ones especially. I went to a number of concerts in those years, and people at the stage would plead with the crowd to move back and stop pushing forward. I wonder if anyone died at some shows I saw. I would not be surprised.
Here because of what happened at the Travis Scott show, RIP to all the victims of these preventable tragedys. The unimaginable horror of being in a crowd-crush is so scary.
Lessons to learn since Kindergarten and from Firefighting courses: Move quickly, but calmly. Unless you are absolutely out of the crowd and at the exit never run, mind your speed and never start pushing. You are only creating a detriment to yourself and others by pushing, as you will create your own blockage by knocking someone down or being knocked down. Whether it's an emergency or something as simple as timeliness, it's never worth rushing, no matter if you're going to be the first or last person out. Also, if you're going somewhere where there is drinking or drug use: be smarter than the crowd, be mindful, and make sure you're the closest to the door.
I had a book as a kid that told you how to deal with disastrous events like this, including natural disasters, quicksand and crowd crushes. I thought it was weird that something like this could even happen but now I'm older I know what people are like. I'm pretty sure the book specifically states to move quickly to the side of the crowd to escape and get to an exit ASAP. I wonder if this event was part of what made the authors want to include a crowd crush segment...
I remember this vividly, was a freshman at the high school from where a kid died at the concert...sad times.. My parents didn’t allow me to go because the concert was held on a weekday and wasn’t allowed to attend any concert until my senior year (being over protective)
Same. I was in HS when one of my favorite bands got a concert here in my country, and I wasn't allowed to attend since I had classes - it was a weekday. Its unfortunate for the people who got crushed, but I guess you dodged a bullet here..
I remember that episode too. My mom grew up in Cincinnati, and loved the scenes around the city in the intro. Plus, it was a good show. We never missed it when I was a kid.
Watching this after hearing news about 8 deaths (likely more) at the ASTROWORLD festival and this is terrifying. It's completely preventable. Really tragic
Can you imagine being the one having to tell the band that 11 of their fans died as a result of wanting to see them? How heartbreaking that must have been. As always, enthralling video. It has been so cool to see your channel grow so rapidly. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into making these videos.
@@bentramer682 Actually, I think they were told immediately after the concert, because I live in that area, and I remember Roger Daultry and Pete Townsend talking to news reporters. They looked visibly shaken of what had happened.
@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath The stampede wasn't the performers' fault. It was the fault of the venue's management for failing to prepare for and prevent the disaster, and the fault of the police and staff for failing to intervene. I've been following the public inquiry into the terrorist attack at Manchester Arena after an Ariana Grande concert. The complete failure of the venue to anticipate and prepare for potential terror attacks; and the complete failure of police and security staff to anticipate, prevent, and respond to the attack, constitute gross criminal negligence. Security video showed the terrorist casing the place for days beforehand, and struggling under the weight of a very heavy backpack as he waited to detonate his suicide bomb in the lobby, that night, BUT NO COP OR SECIURITY GUARD NOTICED HIM.
@@GunterTheGamer it’s the helplessness of it that gets me most. Just not being able to move or breathe, knowing you could very easily die from either the crush or whatever people are so desperate to get away from.
@@Great_Lake_Surfer I love caves, and I love the ocean, so I love learning about underwater caves, but you would never catch me anywhere near one, those things are horrifying 😅
I was at a Rolling Stones concert in Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro in 2006. 1.5 Million fans atended to the show. It was my worst experience of being squeezed by a human mass without being able to breathe properly and being forced to move according to the flow of the mass. Never ever again I will put myself in that situation.
I was ready to pause the video to read the names of those who died and then remembered you always take your time to read out every name and age and I'm always thankful for your sincerity and care 💖
It's honestly quite a terrifying thought to think off all the humans killed by crushes during spectator events over the last 200 years. I mean just look at football in 'recent' years with Hillborough and Heysel.
And like on so many video before her I am against seeing how do the the masses being stupid why we cant have nice things. I think there are way way too many laws and regulations that keep people form living their lives in peace. And if everyone in society was like me we could scrap 95% of laws and regulations and people would be freer and happyer. You see I would never get crushed in such a crush nor ever crush someone else in one, I will never show up more than an hour early, and when seeing a crowd of people I will stay away liking my peace and quiet, thus you will find a man like me 100 meters away daydreaming or talking to someone as he waits for almost the entire crowd has enter before he goes anywhere near the enterance, and when I do finally go to enter I will keep a hands reach distance between myself and any strangers as I really come form a no tuching culture.
Don't google pictures from the Hillborough disaster if you are sensitive. Watching people getting squeezed to death against the fence is not an enjoyable view.
I remember this and I'm crying as I write this. I were at the next show after this tragedy at the Pontiac Silverdome 12/7 1979. There were a lot of worries as that venue was 5 times larger and everyone was apprehensive as we all knew what had happened in Cincinnati. It was cold and rainy as we waited for hours to get in to see the show but fortunately everything went smooth that time. It was a great show but it would have been even greater without it starting with over 80 000 Detroiters standing eerily quiet during a minute of silence for the victims n Cincinnati (RiP)....
@Kate Katz Yo there's no need to be so rude about it. It's a tragedy this man lived through, and you could have told them politely that they miss-worded their sentence.
Anyone remember 30 Seconds To Mars giving fans from the audience a chance to get one stage during their last song? I was there during their Love Lust Faith + Dreams Tour, and that moment is scary. The whole venue pushed forward at once. I was in the first row, pressed against a fence. Luckily, the crush was anticipated and suddenly there were like hundreds of security people, dissolving the crowd at the front as much as possible. That's how crowd control should be done! I enjoyed the last song, not crushed.
Still a very dangerous and ignorant thing to provoke at a concert with thousands of people. You can never trust a crowd, no matter how good the guards are.
As a result of this tragedy, “Unassigned seating at rock concerts is almost never permitted” 🤦🏻♀️ except in Houston Texas, apparently. Damn Astroworld.
a lot of places it’s legal unfortunately especially for floor tickets. Honestly it should be illegal. It should all be seated venues with minimum space per seat
@@kothen4994 It wasn't seating either. Seating makes a huge difference. People who are standing can move around. When you rush in for a good seat, what you get is where you're stuck all night. It's very different. Unassigned seating is illegal nearly everywhere - in the US anyway.
I think the band's response was classy and appropriate. It shows that they do care about those who literally risk their lives and give up entire weeks to see these guys perform.
@@angelmoore2588 I went to black friday once. Victoria secret didnt even have that great of deals and people were pushing. I'm 5'9 and 175. I'm strong for a woman. But they were pushing me over. It was horrible
I have a suggestion for if you ever get stumped, the 2014 Sewol-Ho Ferry disaster, I think around 200+ students who were on a school vacation all tragically lost their lives. There’s videos taken on the ferry minutes before disaster, some taken by the students themselves. There is a lot of news about it but news stopped in I think 2017 when people were told to stop looking for the remains of the still missing students.
I remember the day this happened, seeing live tweets and translations. I’ve never been able to watch or listen to any content about it, I’m still not ready to face the feelings it will bring up. Horrifying and absolutely tragic ☹️
I’ve been looking for more info on the Sewol disaster for years but it seems the English speaking world mostly stopped caring and therefor stopped translating information about it. The recent New Yorker documentary was the most I’ve seen since 2014
My mom went to a Who concert a few months after this. The band kept stopping their show to yell at people to get stop crowding the stage. They were pretty traumatized by the whole ordeal. Most, if not all of them, had kids of their own at that point.
There's an episode of WKRP In Cincinnati called In Concert that was made in reaction to this tragedy. The episode did a great job showcasing the emotional aftermath of the disaster from the point of view of a station that advertised the concert.
I remember this! A classmate had been one of those carried upright *with her feet off the ground* by the packed bodies. A sitcom of the time broke format to acknowledge the tragedy. WKRP in Cincinnati was set at a fictional radio station. Because the show was set in Cincy, there was a special, sober episode. I remember the plot was something like the station giving away tickets; then, the next day, the DJs & the secretary having to explain what happened to their always clueless boss.
I remember that episode. It is one that really stands out in my mind with that show and I watched it every week. They acknowledged the tragedy in a respectful way. I don't recall any other shows doing that with current events back then. Oh sure a "very special" episode about drugs or pregnancy were fairly common but current events?? No one touched them. Sitcoms just didn't do things like that.
Just horrible! I live up the road from y'all in Indiana. Most concerts I've attended were in Ohio. I remember watching WKRP as a child. I will have to find that episode.
@@lisaseverance6785 It would've been strange to be a radio station in Cincy that *didn't* know about the concert disaster! It seemed appropriate. I lived near Cincinnati, back then. Got me wondering, tho... Was it the first such program?
I remember that episode and this horrible event too. I grew up in OH, but was too young to be going to concerts at the time. I think it must have made a strong impression on me, because I've never really been to or even wanted to go to a big concert, no matter how much I liked the band.
The only thing that terrifies me more than fires, is being suffocated to death at the expense of other people’s lack of patience.
Agreed.
Those are also my two worst fears.
As a burn victim i can promise you nothing is worse than burning to death. Drowning or suffocating would be a treat in comparison. You lack oxygen and then die while unconscious... theres a reason nearly every culture depicts hell as endless fire.
@@the_original_Bilb_Ono I hope you are well, that would be a horrific ordeal to have gone through. While I see your point about fire, my fear about deep open water exasperated my fear of drowning, and I'm sure both are the top of the list of worst ways to go.
more like lack of intelligence and self-control. The only solution would have been to pepper spray the entire crowd
To me, crushes are probably the most horrifying accidents you've covered, spending your last hours being suffocated by other people desperately trying to survive
And the fact that so many people are there and no one is helping, it's like if you were drowning while a bunch of lifeguards stand by the edge of the pool watching..
Last hours? Try minutes!
@@kiers7295 people couldn't help because they couldn't move. The ones in the back were pushing bc they didn't know people were being literally crushed. The ones up front who escaped went to the cops for help, who then refused. The cops / concert venue staff should have taken control. This is far from the first time in history of this happening, especially at a venue. They should have anticipated and planned for this. Why were the cops even there if not to protect the people?
@@RumbleFish69 I may be wrong but I think they meant that they had been there for a few hours and over the course of the day were becoming more and more crushed as the space began to fill, the deaths themselves would have only been minutes after the final sound check began; prompting those outside to make a final push into the venue.
Same. I hate crowds and avoid them for this reason. Hearing about the ppl w their mouths open just gasping for air... Literally like sardines in a can! Horrifying and inhumane...
It makes me so sad to think that these people were probably counting down the days/weeks to this concert.. not knowing they were essentially counting down to their death. These easily preventable deaths are so frustrating!
You're so right! 😮
Yeah thats like so scary -
Like it says in the book,we are blessed and cursed,same things make us laugh make us cry...
damn that’s actually terrifying
@@wendellnovais Get this man 2 number 9s!
Currently watching this after hearing about the Astroworld 2021 concert. History truly does repeat its self😢
First thing I thought of!🤫
Yes this is the first thing I thought of after hearing about it, too. Really makes the ending about it never happening again feel...hallow now.
What a shame,to many young lives wasted
@@sarahr9894 Don't forget Guns n Roses, Rolling Stones, ABBA, AC/DC, Great White concert killing over one hundreds fans, Pearl Jam, Liverpool concert.
Yea. I thought of the WHO concert disaster after hearing the news.
I was born in 1984, and only heard about it because of this channel.
History repeats it self it seems.😔
i was once in a stampede in LA at a hardcore concert. i was shoved to the ground by a 250 lb plus guy, and i only weigh 100lbs, after getting my legs trampled and protecting my head a huge guy scooped me up and threw me over his shoulder while running to get pet everyone he literally saved my life. he rushed to the side of the gates and dropped me off and left. if you’re reading this i never got to thank you for literally saving my life and i’m so grateful i looked for you in the crowd all night but couldn’t find you. little guys need a big dude sometimes too. thanks man. you’re a real one
Did you come out of it okay?
Emily? No way it’s me. You’re welcome
@@fatsceptre6313 omg I hope that’s you that’s so dope
@@Philoxo it isn't.
The hardcore community takes care of one another
I just connected the dots while watching this video. One of Weird Al Yankovic's earliest songs was called 'Another One Rides the Bus', which was a parody of Queen's 'Another One Bites the Dust'. It's about being trapped in an overcrowded bus. But one of lines is: 'I haven't been a crowd like this since I went to see the Who!' At the time I thought it was just a random comparison to being in a rock concert, but just now I realized he was referring to this incident.
Yikes! That's kinda creepy.
Holy suga! I never thought of that!
That’s not cool!
As a Weird Al fan, and a Cincinnati native, I got the joke back in the day.
OUCH, what? That's a bit tasteless...
See, this now makes me appreciate those huge, maze-like line barriers you find in veneues now.
Easy to forget why they exist until you realize stuff like this has happened.
I worked in a parking lot for a baseball team... During bobblehead giveaways everyone trying to be first would drive up to the front and it would be crazy dangerous so many people almost get hit by cars
Hmmm...excellent point. I had never considered
@@thebrotasticbro9465 geez! It’s this “me first” mania. It could happen really to any of us. Mob mentality
@@foxopossum yup, worst time that it tends to happen is during a fire
Different times, different culture. If you did not live through the 70s, you would not understand. It's only since 2000 or so that Americans are willing to submit to cavity searches and security theater. The conservative industrial overlords have brainwashed the ignorant masses.
I took a date there. We were part of the majority that didn’t learn about the tragedy until after the concert. It wasn’t until we were In the parking lot when we overheard the people in the car next to us talking about the people that died. We were shocked and struck up a conversation . They were in the group that was locked in the crush. They told us how bad and chaotic it was. They didn’t even realize that people had died until they overheard it on the radio. We turned our car radio on. It was set to station, WEBN. News of the tragedy and deaths was all over the airways. We exited the parking lot, found a pay phone and called our parents to let them know we were ok.
We had been waiting on the plaza About halfway between the top of the steps from ground level to the front doors. It was very cold and we were all bundled up. Everything was pretty relaxed up until the sound check mentioned in the video. We all thought that the concert was starting and that the doors would be opening. The crowd including us surged forward. In my opinion the sound check was the catalyst. The sound check stopped But the doors weren’t opening. There was a lot of confusion. The situation was becoming very intense. Someone from the staff came around from the north side of the stadium and announced that the side doors were opening. The crowd shouted back at them that they were lying. My date barely weighed 100 pounds and was pushed up against taller people and looking scared. I was in a crush type situation at a Rolling Stones concert in 1978 at Chicago soldiers Field. I wanted no part of this. Even if it meant not getting a good spot. I decided we needed to get out. I grabbed her. Stood my ground And back-stepped a little.Soon we were out of the crush And decided to take our chances on that side door. We wound up getting good spots on the floor along the boards that outlined the ice rink that was built for the recently defunct Cincinnati stingers. No one around us was aware of the tragedy unfolding at the main entrance.
We’ve been married for 40 years now and occasionally talk about that night, thinking about those who lost their lives and what could have been for them and their families. The tragedy at Astroworld was another one of those occasions. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
Glad you guys were ok.
Life eh?
We just don't know what's around the corner..
Thanks for sharing.
Wow married for 40 years.
props to you.🤜🤛
I was 22 when a group of us went to that concert. We were on the other side I remember the rush of people but don't remember hearing about it until the next day. I think we popped in an 8-track and went back to my apartment with a group of us after the concert. Never even knew what all it happened.
Heritage Bank Center is just begging for this to happen from its design. It definitely feels like the concourses, aisles, and doors were made for a venue with a much smaller capacity
absolutely bro.agree 100 % .what abonehead Townshend was to go and do a soundcheck 15 mins. before showtime (bonehead). damn right it was the catalyst.up to that point the crowd was well behaved and not unruly at all. docile if you will. soundchecks are done early in the day. then a band returns to the venue nearer showtime. never mind the hotel parties.Pete made a bad decision!!!
@@raykopp9522 I think it's unfair to put this all on Townshend. I'm sure there were many other people involved in the decision making process during concert tours. Typically there is an itinerary drawn up for each show and the band follows the timeline they are given.
Personally, I'm actually good with the venue owners going ahead with the show.
It allowed the staff to deal with the dead and injured... they were right: Sending everyone home would have just caused another crush, and more chaos.
Similar concerns kept the 1955 Le Mans going after a horrific crash.
@@arianebolt1575 But that's different, less people were in Le Mans and the deaths were more bloody and explicit
@@arianebolt1575 oh god no that wasn't the same. That was absolute carnage. It wasn't a stampede they were worried about it was a final destination style crash! That should have completely shut everything down to stop any further damage and help the injured.
@@od3910 Maybe. As I recall, they kept it going because they knew if they shut it down everyone would leave, clogging the roads with traffic that would impede ambulances. Or so they claimed afterwards.
@@Coygon Correct. They had to keep going in order to allow emergency vehicles to get to and from the accident area and spectators leaving would have jammed all of the roads.
This is my home. An old friend of mine survived the crush. He declined every invitation to every gathering I ever invited him to. I don't blame him.
Does he talk about that night?
@@mysticalpineapple7263 I haven’t seen him in years, but he didn’t ever talk about it to me. Just that he was there.
Hey there-I might know you. I'm Brittany's aunt. I remember the concert crush on the news. Horrifying day.
I’m glad he made it.
@@IowaKim are you the one that blew me after the Chicago concert?
The mental image of bloody footprints and people’s dead bodies still standing upright due to a crush that severe makes me sick to my stomach
imagine being the person holding up a dead body and noticing like ? how traumatic :(
That image makes you realize that Altamont could easily have ended up a lot worse than it did.
This is the reason why I dont attend concerts. I have only done it once in my life.. I was in the front near the stage watching Armin Van Buuren and Benny Benassi. People were pushing from behind and it led me to rub against a lady in front of me. I apologized to her lol but she took my hand and put it against her crotch lol then she started grinding her butt on me. lol After doing that for 5 mins she took my hand and was leading me through the crowd taking me somewhere but I lost her because the crowd was massive.
@@GeekRaj I've attended many a concert, but I've always refused to buy general admission tickets. If a concert doesn't offer lower or upper prom assigned seating, I don't go.
General admission tickets generally sucked anyway because only the first row and tall people can actually see the band perform, the rest of us could only hear it. If I want to listen to a show, I'll stay home and listen to the album instead. I go to see a band perform.
By the time most venues had moved to assigned seating on the floor, it didn't really much change. Once the concert started, people were out of their seats and jamming up against the stage. It's not like the ushers stopped people on the floor from moving around once the concert started. That stage crushing lasted until venues wised up and started placing security guards and barricades in front of the stage to keep people back. That, and ejecting people who are unwilling to follow security staff instructions.
To avoid the crowds, I also choose to arrive just after the doors opened to avoid the early crush of people and I always chose to leave just before the final encore to avoid the final crush on the way out, including car traffic jams. Missing the final encore sucks, but it's way better than getting jammed up in a crush of drunk and stoned people.
@@GeekRaj Really? Not even a video on people getting crushed can't avoid men jerking each other off in the comments?
The blaming of the victims and demonising them as "crazed on drugs" is exactly what happened to the Liverpool fans at Hillsborough in 1989,except they were accused of being drunk. I can imagine those 15 yo girls had little or no chance in a crush 😔
i knew the incident in this video reminded me of something but i couldn't quite remember what. i'd quite like to see the hillsborough disaster covered on this channel tbh
Just happened again at Travis Scott’s
@@Gotchaskillz Yes, I saw some people saying they took some fake pills.
@@GamerGuara no evidence
Yeah, noone in the crowd is to blame. Just like all consumer decisions we make.
I'm just a part of the system, i had nothing to do with it, therefore i shall not be responsible.
Nice how that works, isn't it? I really hope some people actually felt bad for knowing they added to the force that killed people.
I can only imagine how terrifying that would have been. This incident is scarily reminiscent of the Victoria Hall accident previously covered on this channel.
The worst part about the Victoria Hall one was that most of them were kids
@@adrielsebastian5216 Indeed. But, thankfully, both events led to enhanced safety procedures. Crash bars, for instance, were developed in response to Victoria Hall.
I was talking about Hillsborough with my Ma (do yourself a favour and don't look at survivors' descriptions of that crush - the stuff of fucking nightmares) and she was telling me that [non-lethal] crushes weren't uncommon in football, and she'd actually been in at least one. She's only five foot and the supporters were packed in so tightly the air was being squeezed out her. fortunately a tall bloke standing next to her saw what happening and lifted her up so she could get some air.
@@thepanpiper7715 I wasonce squeezed up against a stage at Lollapalooza. It was just like that. The air was pushed out of my lungs. Stage hands lifted me up onto the stage but it waa scary. I don't like large crowds and this was a smaller side stage and it still happened. The way it was set up my upper body was being pushed at a different angle, slightly forward. I did stick around although in the back. It happened to others as well.
@@thepanpiper7715 I was thinking about that very same event, shocking that there are videos of it on YT. It's completely eerie.
I really appreciate that you take the time to not only say the name of all the victims but you don't rush through listing them.
My cousin was walter adams jr
Same. May I receive the same, should I ever need listing. Everyone deserves a moment of respectful attention.
Yes. Thank you.
I don’t think it was intentional, that’s just how the narrator speaks. Every sentence had a slow cadence with noticeable pauses.
100% agreed. I always do this when I see a memorial in person. I love that this channel also takes time for respect.
I’ve been in a minor crush before and even though it was only for a few seconds, I couldn’t breathe and my chest hurt and I could feel myself panicking because of it. Just imagining it being worse is terrifying. I’m so sorry for all of the families of the lost loved ones.
I read that they couldn’t exhale. Terrible.
@@alabhaois it’s a terrible way to go. I wish it never happened to them :(
Exactly the same happened to me. Only a few seconds, but the fear was so real. Being in a crowd where they start pushing from both sides, just for fun, not being able to do anything about it. I always think about that when I hear about one of these crushing accidents. I can't imagine what it would actually be like to not have the pushing stop.
@@plumdutchess I wanted to cry so bad once I got out like you’re totally right that the fear is so real. It’s kind of traumatizing.
Same - not a fan of "General Admission" shows due to that fact any longer... my experience was at a Pearl Jam concert in 93 or 94... pretty scary.
People who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The ones that do, are doomed to watch others make the same mistakes again.
Facts
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@@goated3285 Hebrew4-9😍
Astroworld.
wow thanks so much for the PSA 🙄🙄🙄
christ, I can't imagine later seeing blood on my shoes, after surviving such an event, just knowing you inadvertently hurt people and couldn't do anything about it. Let alone the who. Imagine the guilt, insane.
Thank god something like that could never happen to me. For me worst case scenario I go in until everyone is so tight that I dont have a hands reach arround me, at which point I will stop and stand my ground, if someone enters my space I tell them to back of, if someone tuches me I push them back, then if someone gets pushed on to me and pushes me I punch him when he get mad and sayes that he himself was pushed I grab him by his clothes and swap places with him and continue to stand my ground. I might have bloody fists for having broken many noses and might have a broken nose myself but I will not have been deep enough to where people are getting crushed.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 sorry but its not that easy, you would be swept up in the crowd like everyone else. Your strength to stand your ground is nothing compared to fifty people pushing you forward. You start punching people? Can't, your arms are pinned to your sides. There'd be no room to swap places with the person behind you.
The only way is if the majority of people decide to stop and wait
@@pungetello You misunderstand me, I am not that deep in. I stop the moment I cant strech out my arms all arround me so no Im not pinned. What Im describing is what id do in the outskirts not the core. What I sayed is why I would not get in to the core to begging with.
If somehow I did get to be in the core I am quite avare that I could do nothing. Altho with the average age being early 20s a large 1,82m tall 100kg with little fat late 30s man like me could proapbly keep himself form getting crushed.
The Who were willing to mention this the next night on their tour but the venue refused to mention it with some kind of memorial for 35 fucking years!! no doubt due to not wanting the "bad publicity" .. really shameful.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 hmm okay.. but you'll probably have to wait until everyone else is in and get the worst seat (could be worth it though)
"Officer! People are being crushed to death over there! You've got to help them!"
"Don't tell me how to do my job!"
Guess some things never change.
10 years later the same police attitude contributed heavily to 96 dying at Hillsborough.
Wish some cops could've been stuck underneath the crowd. 8D
Does anybody really believe a few police officers could have done ANYTHING to change the outcome?!?!? They couldn't have done anything, partially because there were multiple causes of this tragedy all directly related to facility mismanagement, plus the crowd was composed of a lot of idiots that have the same stupid attitude about police that some of these commenters have. They wouldnt have listened to anything the police instructed them to do.
@@lonnarheaj Maybe they could have saved a few people, but doing absolutely nothing guarantees tragedy.
The "it's city property" response is the most infuriating part of it; what they're actually saying is "yeah, it's our fault, but _technically_ we can't be held accountable." Not even addressing the issue, just dodging blame.
For sure! They could have said something like "We don't actually own the property outside the venue, but we intend to work with the city to ensure this never happens again".
Wow. Just... Wow.....
@@jasonhaynes2952 eAx
It’s city property, yet the venue happily paid for a sign to be put up on said city property, says it all doesn’t it
This is Cincinnati for you
revisiting this after the crush at astroworld. crushes are almost always avoidable, poor management KILLS people. its sickening how few people care and instead choose to blame "unruly fans". i have been part of a mini-crush and it was terrifying. i was afraid i wouldnt leave the pit, i could barely breathe and as i tried to get out i had people pushing me closer to the stage i was trying to get escape from. i do not feel dramatic saying escape because thats what it felt like i was trying to do.
my heart goes out to everybody affected by concert crushes. until artists and venues start to care about concert-goers these things wont stop
Im here also after this tragedy. Im not a concert goer and not gonna lie I forget people still go to concerts sometimes. After watching videos of it happening at many different events has now brought out a new fear in me.
@@erinsmith9241 it's a big part of why I prefer being in the back of crowds at concerts that are standing events, that and faster exit options if something like a fire happens, I can get the exact same experience 200 feet away as 10 feet away and not be squeezed uncontrollably on 3 or more sides
Management is a problem but I hate how the masses don't want to blame all the pushing idiots. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
@8MoneyIzmyMission8 Imagine saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" regarding a situation where 8 people were killed. What the fuck is wrong with you? The victims didn't choose to die and you saying that implies that they did.
@@8MoneyIzmyMission8 how? The victims didn't do anything wrong, and even then, it's the fault of those running and hosting the event, they are the ones to ensure the safety of those attending their events.
I was caught in a crush at a festival after one of the bands had finished playing and everyone moved at once towards the stage. I was panicking, I had lost my hat and my wellies were getting stuck in the mud.
I started shouting for help, thankfully some guy scooped me up and plonked me down at the sidelines. I was so grateful, I offered him one of the doughnuts I had been carrying and he gladly accepted.
I'll never forget that dude.
I love these stories
There are so many stories like this in the comments that I find comforting as a short skinny person, honestly these people are the backbone of crowded events. shout out to some guy(s) who help out smaller people struggling in crowds, hope they're all having a good day
this sounds like a soccer game
Dude you cracked me up. Glad ur safe man that’s a funny story
@@j-skullz Right?? You gotta love big concert bouncers/security dudes!!
I can't imagine how terrifying it would be to be a victim of the crush, but how horrific would it be to NOT be a victim of the crush? To realize that YOU had contributed to CRUSHING SOMEONE TO DEATH.
bruh imagine being in the crowd crushed against a dead person i would be broken
In a horrible way it's actually best to be horrified by something like that... It's much more horrible to walk away thinking "Oh well" or "It wasn't my job, I'm just a cop in charge of crowd control, what did those druggie hippies expect me to do..."
I was instantly reminded of this after hearing the tragic news about the Astroworld festival in Houston. RIP to the at least 8 who died.
Dang same here. I watched this video not even a month ago for the first time. Learned what a crush was in it and then this.
Same
Yea I had just been informed on what happened by a friend and I immediately tried to find this video to send it to them. We’re both horrified that something terrible like this has happened again.
@@jdrizzle96
You want to see a real terrifying crush.
Look up the actually camera footage of “The Station House Fire”. Happened when the band “Great White” played in an over crowded venue and decided to use outdoor pyrotechnics indoors in the early 2000’s in Rhode Island.
A cameraman caught the start of the fire, and got out a second before the “Crush” formed at the exit.
You see exactly what a ”Crush” looks like and how difficult it is to pull people out of it.
You also hear the screams of terror and desperation as people die from smoke inhalation and burn to death.
Yea. I did not like crowded venues even before seeing that footage. 100 died that day.
You see one last survivor leap from a window, their hair completely on fire.
Also, look up the Iroquois Theater Fire, The Coconut Grove Fire, The Ringling Brother Circus Fire, and the Triangle Coat Fire.
There was a recent upload about when a person falsely shouted “Fire” in a Christmas event in the early 20th century and a panicked “Crush” of parents and kids in a doorway killed 2 adults and over a dozen kids.
That’s why it’s a Federal offense to shout “Fire” falsely to this day.
Happened over 40 years ago, but because the victims were so young, they should all still be alive today. Very sad.
Nah, they probably would have overdosed or drank themselves to death anyway.
@@rockycomet4587 yeah
@@rockycomet4587 umm
@@rockycomet4587 if you wanna generalize like that go to facebook or something
I read somewhere that out of 1000 people only 78 will die of old age, or in old age.
The victims were so young, holy shit. Attending an amazing event during the greatest times of their lives, and suddenly they're just dead, in the most unexpected and awful way.
A couple of them were around the same age and from the same place so it might have been a friend group too :(
At any time you could die. Live like this. Dont waste your time dont waste that which is Unrenewable, Something so limited.
But the animals composing the stampede were also young. Youth, like everything in life, has its pros and cons. Life, on the other hand, is always unpredictable.
Yeah, I remember reading about some victims who were teenagers...only around 15-16 years old. So sad.
Its because they where so young. You dont see people in their 30s and letter rushing to see anything that is scheduled. Where as you do see school children piling up before getting food something they will be given regardless of when they show up.
My dad was there but arrived late. He saw the bodies on the ground and assumed someone was passing out bad acid. When the concert ended early they still didn't know what was going on. When they left the venue the press was all over the place. They found a nearby pay phone to call and tell their families they were okay. He was 22 at the time.
I was 11 and on the road with my dad who was the musical conductor with Holiday on Ice when I saw the newspaper headline about this. We played there about 2 weeks later. I was running around the building with the star of the show's daughter when we came upon what we thought must have been where this happened. We both felt a difference in the atmosphere, it was a very eerie feeling, so we jumped the turnstiles to check it out and we saw what we thought was a bloodstain on the wall and one under the black mats on the floor with a lot of smaller stains all over the place, I guess because concrete is porous. What surprised us was how small the area was, it looks a lot bigger in the pictures. We just couldn't believe so many people died in such a small space so we said a little prayer for the souls and got out of there. My question is- did we have the right place? Where we were was actually triangular and not rectangular like it looks in the pictures because it sure felt like we were. Anyway we hoped we did the right thing if we were.
I'm not sure if it ended early. I've got an audio recording of the concert. It's 2 hours long. They played fewer songs then some other shows on the tour, but 2 hours is about it for a Who concert back then.
They didn't do an encore. I heard the band wasn't aware of what happened during the main show either and when they went off they were told and refused to do an encore or address the crowd. They just abruptly turned on the lights. That's the way my dad tells it anyhow.
Why does your dad like The Who.. why does anyone like that terrible band?
@@CJM-rg5rtReread the comment, troll. He never stated that his dad likes The Who.
i was almost pulled into a crowd crush 2 years ago when i attended a rave. i’m only 4’11 (149cm) so you could imagine my fear of nearly falling over and being stomped on. i have asthma as well, so i was panicking thinking i would pass out due to the lack of oxygen that was being produced. thankfully, two men who were much taller than me wrapped their arms underneath my own to keep me from falling over, and they helped me get out of the crowd so i could breathe. i’ll never forget those two, and i wish i had gotten their names so i could thank them properly.
I absolutely HATE how the media and authorities treated this situation, it's devastating
Felt there was some eerie parallels with the Hillsborough Disaster, whereby for years victims and their families had to campaign for justice against a media that initially painted them all as drunk football hooligans.
Western Media are the literal scum of the earth.
@@generallordjowbra8871 Journalism is a job that pays, meaning it's a business. The stupid decisions the media makes can often be traced back to the fact that: *It wasn’t in their interests since it wasn’t profitable...*
@@CrisisHedgehog I completely agree with you. So they take money to lie and propagate people, which makes them the scum of the earth. Many of these morons believe that Jimmy Kimmel (the "juggie" guy) is actual news. It's such a sad state of affairs.
What happened? I was a kid.
I've been caught in a mass of people like that before and that was terrifying. Thankfully, I didn't get stuck and I managed to get back on my feet because it wasn't even nearly as much people as those concert goers. I can't even imagine getting genuinely stuck in that situation and getting trampled without hope of getting helped
Hearing about the worst of crushes before, I can’t imagine how scared you would’ve been... I’m glad you’re okay.
I'd imagine it is difficult to watch crush videos with an experience like that. ❤️
@@NoArtisticLimitation The hillsborough football one still scares the ever living crap out of me. I'm not entirely sure of the exact timescale, but when I was a kid I spent time in sheffield with my mum and her partner at the time who was a massive football fan. I had been in both of those football grounds. I still shudder at the thought of what could have happened.
Yeah I didn’t realize I’ve been in a minor crush before in a concert and elsewhere. It’s like the memories of it came back to me. I’m a very short person too so all I can think now is “it might’ve been me” if a fire or something happened and caused people to panic.
It was fun at the time when I was 16 and the crush pushed me to the front of the concert (standing room venue), but now I realize how dangerous it is.
Me too I was once stuck in a tightly packed crowd leaving a Rolling Stones concert in London. Thousands of people moving shoulder to shoulder through an underpass tunnel at snail speed. It seemed to take forever and I remember how hot it was and how worried and uncomfortable I felt. Thankfully the crowd behaved and nobody did anything stupid to start a push or panic. Sooo relieved when we were out of that tunnel! 😬
My mom was at this concert, she and her friends were late just saw all the medical staff attending to people outside as they went in. She said she didn’t even know what happened until reading the papers the next day.
Jfc
My dad was also there and he said the same thing. He said he knew things were getting “a little out of control” but he didn’t realize how bad everything actually was until the next day.
Wow. Being late may have saved your mom's life.
At 5 o'clock this morning California time, I woke up to learn that eight people died at AstroWorld in Houston Texas at a rap/reggae concert. My daughter was at the concert last night. I was a senior in high school in 1979, and remember vividly the end of "general seating" because of the WHO concert disaster.
This morning, my daughter's phone wasn't answering, so I had no idea for over an hour if my daughter was even alive. Naturally, being 2000 miles away from Houston Texas didn't help. But it reminded me that I was 2000 miles away from Cincinnati Ohio when 11 teenagers died in a similar incident.
I had to wonder, "will most people not care just like I didn't care about those 11 people - who I didn't know in 1979- if it turns out that my daughter died in November 2021 at a similar concert?"
"Will I spend the rest of my life regretting that I bought my daughter a ticket to go to a concert, and never be able to enjoy another concert as long as I live because I literally bought the ticket to my daughters death?"
I called the Houston Office of Emergency Services, and gave my daughters information to them, wondering if they were going to find my daughters name among the dead or injured.
I even called T-Mobile, and asked if there was someway they could track my daughters phone and determine if it was on, and if they could get it to ring, or if they could look up any history to determine if she was alive after the deaths took place in Houston.
When my daughter finally texted me that she was OK at around 6 o'clock in the morning California time, I naturally was able to sense relief that my daughter was not among the dead.
It's been a difficult morning, but it's a weird feeling to think that you will be happy to find out that your daughter might be in a hospital injured because it certainly beats being dead.
The only thing dead, as far as my daughter is concerned, was her phone.
I revisited this video of the WHO concert, because I have a feeling that the events in Houston Texas last night will turn out to be very similar to what happened in 1979.
If I gave a listing of all the live concerts that I've seen, it would be a Who's Who of anyone who was anyone in the rock 'n' roll world from 1978 through 1982. Going to live concerts is one of the most wonderful experiences I have ever had, and I can remember those events from my teenage and early adult years just like it was yesterday.
In 1979 I stood just a few feet away from Angus, as he played his guitar down on the grass at "Day on the Green" at the Oakland Coliseum as all the other bands played after AC/DC opened. Van Halen and Aerosmith played that day too.
Admittedly, I didn't even know it was Angus, and I thought it was just someone dressed up like him playing a guitar with his head rocking up and down for hours. Great memories.
So when my daughter begged me to let her go to this AstroWorld concert, even though it was in Houston Texas, and she's just a teenager, I looked back to my own childhood and decided that she should be allowed to do what she wants to do and have those lifelong experiences that I cherish so much.
But, I got admit, I spent well over an hour wishing I had never let her go, and that I had never bought that ticket, because I actually thought that she was dead.
Not only is she not dead, but she said that she wasn't even sure what happened with the crowd, and that the concert ended early - but she wasn't sure why.
Like a typical teenager, she asked if it was OK if she went to the Houston malls today with her friends since the rest of the concert was canceled for today.
I had to weigh out the thought in my mind that if my daughter had died at that concert, the only consolation I had was that she died doing what she loved.
But it wasn't my daughters turn last night.
To you parents who let your kids go to that WHO concert in 1979, I hope you have forgiven yourselves. I can honestly say I know a tiny, little bit about what it must feel like to know that you bought the concert ticket that resulted in your child's death.
And to you parents who went to or bought tickets for your kids to go to AstroWorld in Houston, and they died there, I hope you're able to forgive yourselves.
✌️
I am so glad that your daughter is okay. Sending you both love!
@@imogen1864 Thank you. She texted me that she bought a really cool "Death Row Records" shirt at the mall. So normal for kids to believe they are invincible to death.
It’s nice to hear from someone who vividly remembers the 1979 Who Cincinnati tragedy,(I learned about it while watching the 2001 VH1 Documentary 100 Most Shocking Moments in Rock N’ Roll back when it aired while I was a Senior in HS myself)it’s a little fascinating to hear it from a Father who’s quite a late bloomer for having a Teen daughter.
I’m glad you’re daughters ok. I Patrol here as Loss Prevention in the NRG Area of Houston and was actually on patrol at one of its Hotels when it happened. The Astroworld festival tragedy occurred here Friday night for the exact same reasons they did 42 years ago in Cincinnati. Festival Seating was never banned here in Texas even when it should have, like Cincinnati, the crowd here was young,rowdy and overeager. What’s worse is that here in Texas, if you’re not Level II licensed, you get paid absolutely next to nothing for Security work especially volunteer. So the massive shortage of Security Officers at Reliant Stadium Is no shock.
Unlike the Asshole Cincinnati PD(back during the decade when Detectives didn’t know their way out of a paper bag and when Cops were so conceited and stupid) the Houston PD were too busy assigned to tracking the massive catalytic converter rings that have infested NRG for several months so none of them were assigned to the concert.
Really happy shes okay. This incident was the first thing i thought of when i heard the news.
"I had to wonder, "will most people not care just like I didn't care about those 11 people - who I didn't know in 1979- if it turns out that my daughter died in November 2021 at a similar concert?""
Almost everyone is fucking OUTRAGED this time, and blames everyone involved with the concert as opposed to the crowd itself.
Because the WHO concert wasn't the last time this happened, the people involved this time knew EXACTLY what could happen and they didn't give a shit.
Glad your daughter wasn't harmed
As someone who got stuck in a crush at a concert....it is hell on earth. I have few memories of that night but I remember stumbling outside and just bursting into tears and hyperventilating. I was just standing in the crowd. I couldn’t move for 4 hours. The band was late. Security locked us in. People started having seizures. I could have passed out but no one would know because I’d still be upright. It was a nightmare.
how sad
I still have memories of when I was caught in a crush outside a venue. I actually heavily bruised almost all of my ribs. I don't want to know what might have happened if the people around me (that I had been talking to all day) hadn't pushed towards the outside of our little circle to give me room in the center. They managed to get the pressure of the crowd off me long enough to get me close enough to a security guard who then pulled me into the entrance.
Oh God, man. I'm so sorry, that's truly brutal.
I was at a concert a few years ago and stood in the crowd. People started to “run” and move towards the stage and then back again. Like waves. I got stuck because people in front of me stepped on my feet as they moved back and people behind me tried to push me forward. It was so freaking scary I couldn’t move at all and almost fell because of my feet being stuck under other people.
@@elli5054 I believe you've experienced a mosh pit. There are a specific, horrible idea that some festival and concert goers think is a must at every festival and/or concert they attend, which is to start a mosh pit. A mosh pit is essentially a crush, but a deliberate one instead of an accidental one caused by panic. Mosh pits have also, quite often even, caused fatalities and yet the people involved in starting them and keeping them going, still doesn't stop starting them. Not even those who have witnessed the deaths caused by the mosh pits. Only a small number of people who have either started or participated in deadly mosh pits have stopped doing so. Mosh pits are horrible
I worked with a retired Cincinnati Police officer who arrived on the scene that night and tried reviving several of the victims. He didn't go into detail, but I could tell that all those years later it still hurt like it was yesterday. 😔
Oh wow that poor guy. Yeah that would be a traumatic event to work for sure
@Jacqueline Hagerman Really? That’s very tragic and sorry for your loss. I didn’t see any 15yr olds listed
@@Mookayla there were 2.... 1 of them was jacqueline.... really?
@@Mookayla imagine not even watching the video but casting shade on people.... smh you rotten shit
@@ABurntMuffin Calm down ffs. He just said he didn't see them listed. He didn't say it was a lie or anything he even gave his condolence.
“Their bodies were held in a standing position.” Wow. I can not imagine what it would have been like to discover you survived and the person pushed up against you was dead only when the body fell down.
jesus fucking christ that’s terrifying
Eurgh
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 NO
That’s horrifying.
It happened millions of times in mid-west Europe 1942-45.
I’m here after Astroworld. RIP to those who passed away.
Crowd management is not to be taken lightly. Don't complain about assigned seating.
I will complain about assigned seating. If we lived in a civilized society it would not be neceserry. I will not be hearded like an animal, and if you say most people are stupid as animals I will tell you that their deaths do to stampedes and crushes are then to be encouraged for it brings natural selection for people like me who are calm patient hold their ground and awoyd crowds.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 you sound like a horrible person
I like assigned seating.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 assigned seating makes you feel like a herded animal?
Do you hate things just because it takes away your "freedom"? Or what? That just sounds childish to be angry with that. Accidents can happen, does not mean that some ov those folks deserved to die over it.
I do not think animals are stupid so I do not like that comparison. Makes no sense since we are different species. A stupid person is just a stupid person, but even smart people can do dumb things. Happens to us all.
@@user-us1yu8gx9s Im a very good person actually. Polite, kind, charitable, eager to help, good looking never threatening, I dont lie or steal from anyone, I dont and wont ever cheat on my marrige, I take grate care to make sure the enviroment I live in looks good but am no perfectionist, I speak softly and in a deep voice, I do my best to make sure people are happy.
At a certain point a crowd of people starts acting like a liquid and fluid dynamics can be applied. When this happens an individual has no control over where they go and are at the mercy of the crowd. That's why crushes are so dangerous and why crowd control is so important.
Bro no kidding I saw vids of that crush at the Love European festival or whatever. People have top down vids from their cameras and you can literally see the waves rippling through the crowds.
a person is smart. people on the other hand are dumb.
@@madmoench That's not what I'm talking about dude. I mean the crowd is so dense, like 7-8 people per square meter, that you get swept off your feet and pushed around without you being able to control it. Intelligence doesn't factor into it.
Jesus, I'm never going to a festival again. Been in so many huge crowds, never thought about something like this.
Exactly. I was there, and I use the idea of fluid dynamics to explain it. There were 18,000 people trying to get in through the only two doors which were opened. The tragedy was inevitable under those circumstances. It was like the force you'd get if you punched a hole in Hoover Dam
concert goer:"people are getting crushed to death you need to do something about this!"
cops: "i missed the part where that's my problem"
JUST barely more acceptable than hiring some Hell's Angels with some speed to watch the crowd. just barely.
@@k.morningstar7983 One difference is that the Angels don't have the words "protect" and "serve" printed on the side of their vehicles.
@@k.morningstar7983 idk
hell’s angels probably would have at least _tried_ to do something.
Even if only to damage the police’s reputation while boosting their own reputation towards the community
That's what Fire and Rescue is for
I wonder if the concert goers tried to help
Came here after the Astroworld Crush. So horrific. Crushes can happen anywhere with crowds of people. I was in a crush in a haunted house where too many people allowed to go in at once and people piled up on each other in a narrow pathway into a dark room where no one could see anything. I was squeezed up against a wall and hit my face on the wall as I stepped on a little boys fingers who had fallen under me and I heard his fingers crunch. I was pulled out of the mess by my 6ft friend but many were severally injured. It was horrific. It's not just getting stepped on that traumatizes you. It is also trampling on other people knowing they are being hurt but you cannot control what is happening. It stays with you. I will never forget the sound of that little boys fingers cracking as the were broken under my weight. I avoid crowds of all kinds now.
This is the type of disaster that scares me the most. It’s so easy to have happen and once it starts, so hard to stop.
I was in a minor crush at a concert one time. I am a big guy and there were a bunch of little kids in front of me. These older teens started pushing against me which caused me to start crushing the little kids in front of me. I told the teens behind me to stop pushing because they are going to hurt the little kids in front of me, but they didn’t listen. I tried pushing back but that didn’t work. Finally, I shoved those teens away from me and security finally came and tried to throw me out. The kids that I was protecting got right up in the security guards face and told them I was protecting them and I told the security guards if they did their jobs I wouldn’t have to push anyone. They let me stay after that and they told me not to push anyone again. I told them if they do their job I won’t have to push anyone.
Good for you! Sad you had to do their jobs and they threaten to throw you out, and not the people responsible. But at least you saved the kids. That is all that matters. As a father ov two, I would have done the same regardless ov it being my children or others.
Ah, security! They are programmed to blame whoever is loudest, or stands out, like you did.
Concert security is usually rent-a-cops who have insufficient training or lack the intelligence to get hired by a real police department or sheriff's office.
@@scallopohare9431 hell that applies to cops too, if you’re a large man dealing with something like a teenager or woman or just anyone smaller really even if you’re clearly in the right and the person is harassing you it can be easy for them to play it off like they’re the victim. We need to hire better educated people to be cops, I’ve heard of people literally being turned away for having too high test scores reason being “they would grow tired of police work faster” hmm almost like intelligent people are more compassionate and don’t inherently enjoy having power over people and abusing it
@@gregb6469 Which is saying something, since "real police" aren't exactly well known for their cool headedness and good judgment, lol 🙄
I I’ve seen pictures of crushes and I can’t imagine how panicked one must feel... it’s loud, it’s hot, you’re being squeezed and pushed and shoved so much that you can barely breathe, you try to call for help but no one can hear you and no one can do anything because they’re being crushed too... Jesus... this is a horrific way to go
I feel like that everytime i look at a group of more than 5 people, I dont go outside much anymore lol
@@MizzzFizzz Same. I don't see the hype around sporting events and concerts. Why the hell would you want to be packed in like sardines with ten thousand people?!?! Just watch the damn performance at home in the peace and comfort of your own privacy.
@@josebro352 concerts are awesome, but as they're now in a lot of venues: you have your seat and that's that
I went to a metal festival in 2019 and it was an amazing experience, but now watching this video it makes me think that it could have gone bad very easily. Life is scary :(
I think it’s a super hot way to go 😍😍
@@Gr95dc a lot of things have to go very wrong simultaneously for the outcome to be this bad. I'd say for the most part, though, it was a failure in organization
I was there! Many times I found my feet off of the ground for several minuets, not touching anything but the people crammed around me. The issue was we could hear the band playing and many believed we were missing the show. I saw more than one pushed through the glass of the door which they were pressed against and many of us lost our shoes.
My brother's girlfriend of the time was too. Unfortunately she lost her sister-in-law. I'm glad you're still with us.
I was there as well, the same thing happened to my girlfriend and I. We were moved around like waves and had no control. Scariest thing I've ever been through and I'm a Gulf War Vet. My girlfriend got her ankle broken in the crush. We got to see the show but had no idea people were dying in the crush.
I had this experience at a show at the Hollywood Palladium. It was terrifying. We were pressed together shoulder to shoulder, and the entire mass of humanity moved at will. I had no control, and my feet weren't touching the ground. I knew then that if I fell to the floor, I would get trampled. I'm a bigger guy and could still breathe, but I can see that experience being even more terrifying for a shorter person. I have had a healthy fear/respect for GA concerts ever since.
Now I get why my parents are always so worried about me getting crushed at concerts or black friday
Neither are a place I'd ever be.
There hasn't been anything like that in years. Minus idiots and toilet paper.
As always , thank you for reciting the names of death to immortalize them. They won't be forgotten.
It's surprising that so few past, considering the size of the event, a miracle!
That is what is cool about this channel, he talks about incidents but in a respectful informative way!
@@Houleigan reminds me of how that one snarky irish true crime channel - don't want to mention his channel name - is the exact polar opposite of this presenter. He seems to gleefully and cheerily joke and poke fun at victims of gruesome murders as he shamelessly profits off of their deaths.
"Person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals."
One of the best movie lines 🖤
@@Claire-er7yk AGREED!
It is not that simple, you can’t see, you can’t breathe and you can’t control where you are going. You just pray you don’t fall down in the confusion. This can happen on buses, subways, amusement parks, in crowded pools. The venue had let two thousand extra people there. Then add the hundreds that weren’t supposed to be there. Limited staff, not enough food, bathrooms or seating and delayed entry. A complete nightmare where someone was going to die!☹️😕🙁🎆💕
@@christienelson1437 Vilmos is quoting a line from the movie "Men In Black".
@@christienelson1437 Calm down.
This also became an episode of "WKRP in Cincinnati" and was used to help educate the public about the dangers of festival seating. A lot of places banned the practice after it aired.
I was wondering when someone would mention the WKRP episode. Considering the show was set at a radio station in Cincinnati, how could they _not_ address the incident?
@@vladimirenlow4388 I remember that episode well. They set it up as a concert that WKRP had promoted. It was really heavy. No laughs at the end.
@@beenaplumber8379 Yep that's how I found about it. Very sad and scary!
I remember that episode. And as someone who was there, I was livid that they never mentioned the fact that by advance planning, the organizers only opened two doors. And that the organizers refused to open any more doors when one police officer who knew what was happening, pleaded with them to do so. They just told her no. I guess the folks doing WKRC were afraid of being sued by the people at Riverfront Coliseum.
I still remember the t shirts "I"d step on you to see the WHO!" Not making that up.
Thats gross 😔
Oh man I forgot about those till you mentioned them.
That's...really fucked up.
@@gh00stie62 It's definitely not gross. It's catchy and clearly intended to be taken light heartedly, as most t-shirts with text are meant to be taken. Either you misinterpreted this, or you are just super lame.
@@fifteenfootflacid many people died because of this incident, calling it a 'light hearted' joke is plain weird. while it might have been 'appropriate' in the time, (which i can see it being an edgy, dark humour joke) it definitely shouldn't be praised as a good slogan..
When I was 15 I went to a concert and I entered the mosh pit quite near the front. It was so Terrifying how dehydrated I became so quickly I thought I would vomit as I was punched and shoved from every direction whilst crying my eyes out. I nearly passed out but luckily once a slower song started a couple people beside me noticed how sick I looked and they pushed me to the front for the crew to lift me out and get me water. strange looking back knowing I honestly could have died there had there not been a slow song and a few observant people.
I had a similar experience, except I actually did faint in the pit due to heat syncope at a concert once. Thankfully not in a crush, and kind nearby concertgoers got me out to security. But it makes hearing about these incidents so much more frightening.
@@alsoellie2299 Most mosh pits aren't people just violently attacking each other.
@@cinthiagregoire9249 I love a mosh pit. It's like this moment in time where nothing matters but the music. The shows I go to, we ALWAYS pull people up as soon as they fall. It's part of the code, if you will. And all you have to do is motion "up" and the crowd will surf you to safety at the rail. Or if security points someone out they need to get out everyone pushes away to make a gap to get that person out.
I passed out in a mosh pit (medical condition) and some lovely kind people formed a protective circle around me so I wouldn't get squashed while waiting for help.
The good old days at Lollapalooza!! We had such a good time.
"Don't tell us how to do our job"
Well if they did their job they wouldn't be told how to do it.
Consider the time...73 was still a big slopover from the 60s in a lot of ways; drugs weren't the exception, they were the norm for the cops to be dealing with at venues like this. They were TIRED of it all, many just didn't much care anymore, and that may have been part of the problem here. :( However...they were still human, and should have helped regardless. :( I hope some at least tried.
I'm not entirely sure they knew what their job WAS, tbh.
What did u expect maybe 50 to 100 cops to do with a crowd of 18k people who wouldn’t have listened to them anyway... but blame the cops if it makes them feel better...
@@hunterbidenscrackdealer3753 one cop goes in a side door, up to the second floor, and uses a megaphone to tell people to back up because the doors aren't going to open for another two hours. How about that?
@@williamchamberlain2263 did the cops even know the doors weren’t going to open? We’re u there smart guy? How about U go down to the next civil disturbance and handle it because u know people listen to what the cops say... sure thing
I’ve been in a minor crush twice. I’m a bigger girl (5 foot 9 and heavy) and I’ll tell you that when I realised I had physically been lifted off the ground and then wedged upright, about a foot off the ground and unable to do anything about it, it was truly terrifying and I was literally shocked that it had even been able to happen. I can’t imagine being stuck like that for even longer
I was at a concert in Oakland 2019. The crowd was huge and I got stuck in a small crush. It felt like my ribs and chest were being squished. I couldn't breathe and tears started streaming down my face. Luckily someone noticed me crying and trying to breathe. He started to shout to everyone to stop moving and to let me out. Amazingly everyone around me made a pathway for me to exit the crowd. One of the scariest days of my life.
Clearly nothing has been learned from incidents such as this. Glad you made it out! Cheers.
I'm guessing you're a petite woman like me. I'm so glad someone noticed in your case! We can be easy to miss because we're smaller...
That is terrifying. I’m happy someone helped.
i can't imagine what the guilt would be like as a concertgoer, realizing even that the act of you moving with and being pushing along by the crowd contributed to people's deaths. that's so heavy.
It’s a hard but important reminder how much power we have to help or harm people all the time, every day, and how we should think hard about everything we do and every situation we get ourselves into.
I used to street perform here regularly and go to concerts there. After I learned about this incident in HS I was always bothered that they didn't have any kind of memorial or even a placque about it there. They finally put one up in 2018 I believe. Still, so many people in town had never heard of it which really is shameful.
I still feel like there are some serious safety issues at the US Bank Arena that have never been properly addressed honestly. Its all-around a subpar venue
Also as a stage tech, I had to move away from Cincy as it's still an area with hardly any live event presence, mainly due to the lasting effects of this event. Requiring seated tickets caused bands skip Cincy and even after they changed that rule all of these bands and production companies won't come to town because they don't have a proven revenue in Cincinnati while they have years of numbers to estimate from in other nearby cities. Kinda sucked, but I'm glad I moved!
...2018? Really? For fuck's sake!
Thanks for sharing the local/inside info, tho. Stay safe, stay well. X
Yes, US Bank arena/Coliseum needs to be torn down and replaced. They did a nice job with the baseball and football stadiums. It's an eye sore by comparison.
@@js1642 I entirely agree
I once had to save my girlfriend in a crush at a concert. The headliners started playing their first song and half the crowd came rushing forward. We were near the front. She's much shorter than I am and was getting suffocated by the crowd. I remember the look of terror on her face as I pulled her to safety. She's not someone who gets scared easily.
I don't say this to paint myself as heroic. I would say she's more fearless than I am. It was just an instinctual action on my part. I knew I had to get her to safety, and I did it on autopilot. Big crowds can be terrifying.
I'm 5'1", and it's even a bit unnerving being in a crowd under normal circumstances because you can't see.
You probably saved her life , for shorter people is def a lot harder to survive a crowd crush ,but it also depend where you are .
Hi I'm from Indonesia. You probably want to cover Bintaro Tragedy 1987. Worst train crash in the country. It's probably too gory and disturbing, but that was quite a (horrific) story.
Stay safe everyone 🙏
Yes, a non-western tragedy would be great pls
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this!
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Sounds interesting I hope he does cover it.
I’ve always wondered why concert halls have multiple entrances with huge snaking lines. It’s sad these safety regulations come about only after a terrible human tragedy 😞
Every fire safety and building code regulation is written in blood. Read about the Cocoanut Grove fire in Boston in 1944 some time. Or the Triangle Shirtwaist fire, the Station Nightclub fire in Rhode Island in 2003, or the Our Lady of the Angels school fire in 1958.
@@billd66 Interestingly, most major fires took place in winter. Triangle was late March. It's the only one I know of not in the dead of winter.
The television show WKRP dedicated an entire episode to the incident. Set at a rock radio station in Cincinnati, the first half dealing with the buildup, and the last 10 minutes or so to the aftermath. was handled with compassion and introspection.
WKRP was usually a workplace comedy with a great ensemble cast. The concert tragedy episode ended in a serious respectful manner. Credit the actors' talents and series writers to portray their usually funny characters reacting to tragedy convincingly.
@@artytoons One of the great things about the episode, is how they dealt with the fact that none of the cast knew what had happened at the time, it was only after the concert that they discovered the information. Mr. Carlson bounding in the next morning, all excited after his first rock concert, and he hadn't listened to the news on the way in - it was a tour de force of outstanding writing combined with champagne acting.
I was thinking about that episode
Good for them, shame on the police for doing nothing and blaming the victims and stadium for refusing a memorial for 35 years.
Here’s a link to the episode on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/qSeWECDb3YM/видео.html
I suffered a back injury in a crush.
It’s ninth grade and the entire grade is in the gym for pictures at the end of the day. It took a little longer than expected. Bus drivers refused to wait the couple extra minutes.
Cue mad dash toward the door. This is 150 kids. Kids behind are shoving for the door. I’m in the middle of the crush. I feel myself going down and scream at kids to stop pushing and wait. Next thing I know, I’m on the ground. Feet are pounding my back. I quickly protect my head.
Bus drivers start pulling out to go to the middle school despite teachers screaming at them to wait. Finally, the crowd is gone.
I remember things going black, and waking up a couple hours later at the local ER. Doctor tells me I’m lucky. My spine is fine. I do have some soft tissue damage along with two broken ribs, and I’m going to have a very ugly bruise later. Now that I’m awake, I’ll get to go home with some awesome drugs in a little bit. They need to take some pictures and bandage me up first.
We did get a tidy sum from the district and the bus drivers were reprimanded for their behavior. Most of the sum went to my medical bills while the remaining bit was used for a road trip to Edmonton, Canada, our old stomping grounds.
(Dual citizenship. Mom’s American while dad’s Canadian.)
My mother was there. Thank God, due to years prior of concert-going, she knew to stay back. This was the last time she attended a concert of this size, and she couldn't bring herself to go to any concerts at all that summer of 1980.
I was crushed at a Rolling Stones concert in 1978. It was horrific. My handbag came off my shoulder with my eyeglasses in it. After the concert and everyone cleared out I found my purse and my crushed glasses. I'm so glad they made changes to concert goers
But how was the show?🤧
Yea…… Not at the Travis Scott Concert in a Huston.😢.
History repeats it self.
A lot of bad incident happened at Rolling Stones concerts especially with the Hell's Angels
@@Davidjon1946 In 1969 at Altomont maybe.............
@@LoneLee2022 correct
I'm revisiting this after the recent disaster in the US. Please stay aware when you go to concerts. Drink plenty of water, know your exits, and watch out for warning signs and red flags in the crowd.
I'm from Cincinnati and my dad (25 at the time) nearly attended this concert. He was invited to go with a friend who had an extra ticket but ultimately decided not to because he wanted to spend time with his girlfriend. Normally I'd have scolded my dad for not taking the chance to see the Who, but I'm glad he didn't go to this one.
I also live in Cincinnati and ATTENDED that show. I was 17....and we all 3 miraculously survived....and saw a GREAT SHOW.
I was in a (non lethal) crush at a festival once. Wasn't hurt, but the lack of control is scary. My feet weren't even touching the ground.
That happened to me too. Festival seating is still very much a thing.
@@BL-hw4mn Same though it's clearly not the same cause ticket sales are better controlled so if there's a mosh/crush near the stage there's usually still room at the back to spread out.
I got lifted from my feet a number of times but was never actually hurt and my two friends were surprised my inexperienced butt was handling the whole experience so well,
My larger friend actually ended up freaking out and was pulled over the front barrier by security to go to medical (we were maybe 3 people back from the barrier when his panic attack started) His fiancee and I were able to turn back and make our way out of the crowd to wait for his release.
From the sounds of this there was no room to even breathe much less back up.
I do remember one 'genius' complaining about her shoes missing, who wears flip flops to a standing only concert?!
Reading that last sentence gave me anxiety. I cannot imagine being in that position 😓
I attended the Michael Jackson concert in Cork, Ireland in 1988. They had the entire field just as standing room. The concessions to get drinks were on the arena floor. We had seats, but had gotten there early as had most people. Two tunnels opened into the center. My friend and I went to the bathroom and then to get a soda down in the arena floor. The opening act came on and people rushed through the tunnels carrying me up off my feet, I couldn’t move in any direction, I couldn’t see my friend and I was spat out as it were into the arena as the crush in the tunnel eased. Because we had VIP seats we found a Police Officer. I pointed and said we can’t go back through the tunnel, 30,000 are swarming in. He took us thru a locked side door back to our seats.
Meanwhile about 40 large men in yellow shirts came out to the front of the stage and began scooping up girls and guys who had fainted or been injured as the crowd pushed and pushed and pushed forwards. The singer begged everyone in the crowd to take one step back but they did not seem to do that. Ambulances raced people away, Firemen came to the front with hoses and sprayed water over the crowd to help with the heat and dehydration. Hundreds of people were carried out and away. This was a very well organized team knowing they would be carrying people out from the crowd. I did not hear of any fatalities. Michael asked people to step back and unfortunately instead the crowd went wild and surged forwards. Now we were crying because we saw some people screamed with excitement, some were screaming in despair. If you try to find footage of his Bad concert tour that year you’ll see the men in yellow shirts carrying fans. In Switzerland they helped over 3,500, in Romania I think over 5,000. If I had to guess I’d say that 1,000 fainted in Cork. We were fine, but I swore I would never enter a crowd like that again. There were something like 65,000 people in the arena with only half having seats. I think since then no one allows that type of gathering anymore in an enclosed and locked finite space.
Wow! That's crazy. I live close to Cincinnati. I've never seen a concert like that.
A few years ago Riverfront Allowed general seating for the first time again but many people were very mad about it refused to go. It was for Bruce Springsteen and 8000 tickets were available and I think only about a1000 people went to it.
@@brentvance3958 I'm glad people responded like that. Open seating is Okay for some concerts, but not all. The last concert I attended in Cincinnati had an open VIP area, but people were cool and didn't push. I was close to the front of the stage. Some men even moved and allowed me to be in front.
I was only a kid back then, and watched/listened to the concert from across the river with my family. It was a huge deal for everybody that Michael Jackson was playing in Cork!
Thousands of people were lined all up along the quays watching, outside their doors, looking out their windows, etc.
An older girl from my estate was at the concert, and she was right up the front, and it was said that she fainted when Michael smiled or pointed at her, but it's possible that she fainted because of the crowds and maybe he was pointing her out to security.
I've seen footage of those concerts, and people being carried off by staff.. I thought they were simply star-struck fans. But so many looked disheveled and sweaty... i didn't realize they were part of a crush. That's scary.
Here after hearing the tragedy of AstroWorld2021 so sad. RIP to the lives lost.
My favorite thing about this channel is being aware of the infrastructure that keeps us safe every day that we would never realize otherwise, and thr haunting stories behind those structures.
I was there that day, working for the concert promoter. Spent some time talking with The Who and we had no idea what was happening outside. We eventually got them back to the hotel and it was a crazy scene, getting them out of town. I have enough memories and stories to fill a book. Rest In Peace to those who died that night.
Whoever made the decision to not open more doors should have been, in my opinion, held criminally liable. One of the lines I best remember from the Rolling Stone article after the tragedy was about ticket takers watching kids be hurled over the turnstiles by the force of the crushing crowd behind them, and the staff asking for their tickets as they flew by. As always, money took precedence over lives, and that promoter, again in my opinion, had blood on their hands.
If true, then you should indeed write a book about it. I, as well as many others (I'm sure), would very much like to read/hear such a detailed account. Glad you weren't hurt. ✌
Jot ish down, see how it goes
must've been cool to get to sit down and talk to the guys, shame the experience was stained by the fact that people were dying in the meantime.
@@lsswappedcessna It was a cool job, for sure.
Another fact: that same night, there had been a fatal car crash from people on their way to the concert. There was a memorial for them I think last year, my dad went to school with them. The Who hasn’t returned to Cincinnati. They were planned to last year, but the pandemic canceled it.
How come I didn’t know about the car crash?
@@SecondEvilEx I think it was pretty local
@@SecondEvilEx Fatal car crashes are very common.
they're suppsoed to go there this year
The fact that I just watched and found out about this on Thursday and then the Atroworld crush happened. Omg. What a coincidence and how sad.
Similar thing with me. I heard about the Hillsborough disaster in 1989 last week.
Gave me chills how young everyone who died was. Their lives were taken way too soon and for something completely preventable
Imagine how awful some of those people must feel when they finally realize that their shoes are covered in blood. This is tragic :(
Thank you for posting this!
I was in attendance along with several friends. All 6 of us were in the middle of the crush. We drove from Columbus Ohio. I had not heard about the doors opening early. We arrived early because we knew it was general admission. We were separated due to the situation and didn't see each other again until we met in the parking lot after the concert. 5 of us waited nervously for the 6th to show up. Finally, he did.
Your description of the crush was spot on! It was so hot that when I made it into the building, I was soaked with sweat. So was just about everybody else. Yet, it was freezing cold outside.
Do an internet search for the P.E.M. Memorial. Roger Daltrey made an appearance there, at the high school where 3 of the 11 killed had been students.
Some other things that I remember about this tragedy were the shouts of "Fuck Iran, fuck Iran" morphing into "Don't push, don't push". There was the ongoing hostage crisis in Iran. Several glass bottles were tossed at the wall the doors that hadn't opened yet and rained down on the crowd.
Sadly, today is the 18th anniversary of the death of one of my friends who was with me at that concert. A van driver turned in front of him while he was riding his motorcycle.
So sad! I've always wondered about the others who went with the victims, and whether they witnessed their demise, or found out later, or what. I can't imagine going to a concert with a group of friends, and one of us didn't make it out alive.
@@jasonhaynes2952 My friend was there with his wife. Of the 6 of us that went together, they were the only ones who stayed together throughout. Fortunately, we suffered only mental affects, not the physical ones that many others experienced. I know that I didn't step on anybody, but if you fell you probably weren't getting up.
That's pretty crazy, man. Glad you weren't physically hurt. I'm sorry to hear about your friend though. :( I had a close family friend that died in a similar way about a decade ago; driving his Harley through an intersection when a drunk driver plowed into him doing like 70mph. He lived for a couple of days, but passed away as a result of his injuries. Terrible. Motorcyclists have just as much right as anyone else to be on the road, and people need to learn to keep an eye (and ear) out for them. Best wishes, man. ✌
God Bless - Fck Iran
Yes that’s exactly what crushes are like. Hot, suffocating, you are often powerless, and if you fall you probably ain’t getting up. I feel so bad for all, but the younger, weaker ones especially. I went to a number of concerts in those years, and people at the stage would plead with the crowd to move back and stop pushing forward. I wonder if anyone died at some shows I saw. I would not be surprised.
it’s heartbreaking how young all of the victims were. imagine being a teen excited for your first concert and then it’s your last :(
😭😭
Its practical, doing 2 things at once.
And the fact that they didnt even get to see The Who play is terrible
exactly my thoughts when I saw 15 and 17 yo's died :(
And then the public blames you for your own tragic death
Here because of what happened at the Travis Scott show, RIP to all the victims of these preventable tragedys. The unimaginable horror of being in a crowd-crush is so scary.
Lessons to learn since Kindergarten and from Firefighting courses: Move quickly, but calmly. Unless you are absolutely out of the crowd and at the exit never run, mind your speed and never start pushing. You are only creating a detriment to yourself and others by pushing, as you will create your own blockage by knocking someone down or being knocked down.
Whether it's an emergency or something as simple as timeliness, it's never worth rushing, no matter if you're going to be the first or last person out.
Also, if you're going somewhere where there is drinking or drug use: be smarter than the crowd, be mindful, and make sure you're the closest to the door.
Not much you can do when the crowd behind you starts pushing. I avoid crowds because of this.
I had a book as a kid that told you how to deal with disastrous events like this, including natural disasters, quicksand and crowd crushes. I thought it was weird that something like this could even happen but now I'm older I know what people are like. I'm pretty sure the book specifically states to move quickly to the side of the crowd to escape and get to an exit ASAP. I wonder if this event was part of what made the authors want to include a crowd crush segment...
I remember this vividly, was a freshman at the high school from where a kid died at the concert...sad times..
My parents didn’t allow me to go because the concert was held on a weekday and wasn’t allowed to attend any concert until my senior year (being over protective)
Same. I was in HS when one of my favorite bands got a concert here in my country, and I wasn't allowed to attend since I had classes - it was a weekday.
Its unfortunate for the people who got crushed, but I guess you dodged a bullet here..
That overprotectiveness saved your life. Good parenting.
I remember when this happened. It was heart breaking. WKRP in Cincinnati show did a "tribute" episode for it. Made you cry.
That episode is on YT (for now) in case anyone wants to see how well they handled it.
I remember that episode too. My mom grew up in Cincinnati, and loved the scenes around the city in the intro. Plus, it was a good show. We never missed it when I was a kid.
I remember the WKRP episode. It was the first time I had heard of it, being only nine years old at the time it happened.
Watching this after hearing news about 8 deaths (likely more) at the ASTROWORLD festival and this is terrifying. It's completely preventable. Really tragic
This confirms my intense fear of large crowds. Such a needless disaster. :'(
I feel that too but I just tell myself that accidents like these are why were so protected today
Can you imagine being the one having to tell the band that 11 of their fans died as a result of wanting to see them? How heartbreaking that must have been.
As always, enthralling video. It has been so cool to see your channel grow so rapidly. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into making these videos.
They probably didn't know until days later, never told by the concert holders.
@@bentramer682 Actually, I think they were told immediately after the concert, because I live in that area, and I remember Roger Daultry and Pete Townsend talking to news reporters.
They looked visibly shaken of what had happened.
They cried all the way to the bank
@@GOLDVIOLINbowofdeath The stampede wasn't the performers' fault. It was the fault of the venue's management for failing to prepare for and prevent the disaster, and the fault of the police and staff for failing to intervene.
I've been following the public inquiry into the terrorist attack at Manchester Arena after an Ariana Grande concert. The complete failure of the venue to anticipate and prepare for potential terror attacks; and the complete failure of police and security staff to anticipate, prevent, and respond to the attack, constitute gross criminal negligence. Security video showed the terrorist casing the place for days beforehand, and struggling under the weight of a very heavy backpack as he waited to detonate his suicide bomb in the lobby, that night, BUT NO COP OR SECIURITY GUARD NOTICED HIM.
Getting your channel praised by Ship Geek is a superlative mark of honour.
The idea of being killed in a crush is one of the few deaths I truly fear. It seems so incredibly horrible.
Killed in a crush, or being trapped in a car underwater are the two scariest possible ways to die imo
@@GunterTheGamer it’s the helplessness of it that gets me most. Just not being able to move or breathe, knowing you could very easily die from either the crush or whatever people are so desperate to get away from.
@@GunterTheGamer Underwater cave diving is a fear of mine...any caves at all is too much for me lol
@@Great_Lake_Surfer I love caves, and I love the ocean, so I love learning about underwater caves, but you would never catch me anywhere near one, those things are horrifying 😅
The part that really got me was the cops being negligent assholes, and people blaming the victims. That’s so fucked up.
Yes that was infuriating to hear. Not surprising..just infuriating.
I was at a Rolling Stones concert in Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro in 2006. 1.5 Million fans atended to the show. It was my worst experience of being squeezed by a human mass without being able to breathe properly and being forced to move according to the flow of the mass. Never ever again I will put myself in that situation.
I was there and it was terrifying. We struggled to get out of the crowd...my feet didn't even touch the ground. We were lucky to survive.
Happy to know you're alright. I can't imagine me being in that position considering my claustrophobia.
I was ready to pause the video to read the names of those who died and then remembered you always take your time to read out every name and age and I'm always thankful for your sincerity and care 💖
It's crazy watching this video again after the Travis Scott incident.
It's honestly quite a terrifying thought to think off all the humans killed by crushes during spectator events over the last 200 years. I mean just look at football in 'recent' years with Hillborough and Heysel.
Hillborough was the first one I thought of, and I live in the US! For those of us of a certain age, it’s the definitive crush horror.
And like on so many video before her I am against seeing how do the the masses being stupid why we cant have nice things.
I think there are way way too many laws and regulations that keep people form living their lives in peace. And if everyone in society was like me we could scrap 95% of laws and regulations and people would be freer and happyer. You see I would never get crushed in such a crush nor ever crush someone else in one, I will never show up more than an hour early, and when seeing a crowd of people I will stay away liking my peace and quiet, thus you will find a man like me 100 meters away daydreaming or talking to someone as he waits for almost the entire crowd has enter before he goes anywhere near the enterance, and when I do finally go to enter I will keep a hands reach distance between myself and any strangers as I really come form a no tuching culture.
@@JosieJOK And the same excuses-drunk crowd, brawling. Blame the victim. Horrible.
And according to statistics, crowd crushes have only gotten more prevalent since 1990
Don't google pictures from the Hillborough disaster if you are sensitive. Watching people getting squeezed to death against the fence is not an enjoyable view.
I remember this and I'm crying as I write this. I were at the next show after this tragedy at the Pontiac Silverdome 12/7 1979. There were a lot of worries as that venue was 5 times larger and everyone was apprehensive as we all knew what had happened in Cincinnati. It was cold and rainy as we waited for hours to get in to see the show but fortunately everything went smooth that time.
It was a great show but it would have been even greater without it starting with over 80 000 Detroiters standing eerily quiet during a minute of silence for the victims n Cincinnati (RiP)....
@Kate Katz Yo there's no need to be so rude about it. It's a tragedy this man lived through, and you could have told them politely that they miss-worded their sentence.
@Kate Katz You're really going to call him stupid when your own comment is riddled with grammatical errors? Ok then
*I Just Wish that GOD, wouLd have DroPPed a BOLT, upon you SOD O Mites!!!*
The Silverdome had turnstiles for crowd control.
@@Justin.Martyr stfu. Go listen to your Barry Manilow greatest hits cassette.
Anyone remember 30 Seconds To Mars giving fans from the audience a chance to get one stage during their last song? I was there during their Love Lust Faith + Dreams Tour, and that moment is scary. The whole venue pushed forward at once. I was in the first row, pressed against a fence. Luckily, the crush was anticipated and suddenly there were like hundreds of security people, dissolving the crowd at the front as much as possible. That's how crowd control should be done! I enjoyed the last song, not crushed.
Still a very dangerous and ignorant thing to provoke at a concert with thousands of people. You can never trust a crowd, no matter how good the guards are.
As a result of this tragedy, “Unassigned seating at rock concerts is almost never permitted” 🤦🏻♀️ except in Houston Texas, apparently. Damn Astroworld.
a lot of places it’s legal unfortunately especially for floor tickets. Honestly it should be illegal. It should all be seated venues with minimum space per seat
ASTROWORLD wasn't a rock concert..
@@kothen4994 It wasn't seating either. Seating makes a huge difference. People who are standing can move around. When you rush in for a good seat, what you get is where you're stuck all night. It's very different. Unassigned seating is illegal nearly everywhere - in the US anyway.
I think the band's response was classy and appropriate. It shows that they do care about those who literally risk their lives and give up entire weeks to see these guys perform.
The band were totally unaware of what had happened.... Roger and Pete were both distraught. They were still grieving for Keith Moon.
Yea compared to Travis Scott
The next show in Buffalo New York they took a moment to recognize the incident moment of silence amongst the crowd the band
no it was not, it was tacky and dodgy. Pearl Jam did the right thing, and stopped their live performances, as someone who really cares
Imagine how much worse it would have been if it had been a band that didn't suck.
Stuff like this is why people are claustrophobic and scared of crowd. I’m one of those
Stuff like this is why I stay home
@@bobdole7292 Same, I've never been to black Friday and never will.
That's me! I hate crowds.
@@angelmoore2588 I went to black friday once. Victoria secret didnt even have that great of deals and people were pushing. I'm 5'9 and 175. I'm strong for a woman. But they were pushing me over. It was horrible
I have a suggestion for if you ever get stumped, the 2014 Sewol-Ho Ferry disaster, I think around 200+ students who were on a school vacation all tragically lost their lives. There’s videos taken on the ferry minutes before disaster, some taken by the students themselves. There is a lot of news about it but news stopped in I think 2017 when people were told to stop looking for the remains of the still missing students.
THIS ^^
I remember the day this happened, seeing live tweets and translations. I’ve never been able to watch or listen to any content about it, I’m still not ready to face the feelings it will bring up. Horrifying and absolutely tragic ☹️
The worst part is that, like many other stories told on this channel, it could've easily been prevented. All those poor kids didn't have to die. :(
I’ve been looking for more info on the Sewol disaster for years but it seems the English speaking world mostly stopped caring and therefor stopped translating information about it. The recent New Yorker documentary was the most I’ve seen since 2014
@@cloudysky581 you’re right. It’s shameful what the captain did, and he deserved his sentence.
Thank you for reading the names of the victims and respecting them 💕
Gay
My mom went to a Who concert a few months after this. The band kept stopping their show to yell at people to get stop crowding the stage. They were pretty traumatized by the whole ordeal. Most, if not all of them, had kids of their own at that point.
There's an episode of WKRP In Cincinnati called In Concert that was made in reaction to this tragedy. The episode did a great job showcasing the emotional aftermath of the disaster from the point of view of a station that advertised the concert.
That’s really interesting. Where can I find this, if possible?
@@transmeeshax6872 Full episode is up on RUclips
Anyone who's ever been to a metal show knows "festival seating" otherwise known as "floor tickets" are very much still around
Not in Cincinnati it’s not.
I was thinking that. “General admission” here in Australia. I’ve been in a few crushes; very scary.
@@AwakeAndGrateful shout out parkway drive. Anyways it’s the same with raves. Would you rather assigned seating now gen pop
@@AwakeAndGrateful I've seen GA at least until 1995.
Same thing just happened at a Travis Scott concert and it reminded me of your video. Terrifying way to go.
I remember this! A classmate had been one of those carried upright *with her feet off the ground* by the packed bodies.
A sitcom of the time broke format to acknowledge the tragedy. WKRP in Cincinnati was set at a fictional radio station. Because the show was set in Cincy, there was a special, sober episode. I remember the plot was something like the station giving away tickets; then, the next day, the DJs & the secretary having to explain what happened to their always clueless boss.
I remember that episode. It is one that really stands out in my mind with that show and I watched it every week. They acknowledged the tragedy in a respectful way. I don't recall any other shows doing that with current events back then. Oh sure a "very special" episode about drugs or pregnancy were fairly common but current events?? No one touched them. Sitcoms just didn't do things like that.
Just horrible! I live up the road from y'all in Indiana. Most concerts I've attended were in Ohio. I remember watching WKRP as a child. I will have to find that episode.
@@lisaseverance6785 It would've been strange to be a radio station in Cincy that *didn't* know about the concert disaster! It seemed appropriate. I lived near Cincinnati, back then.
Got me wondering, tho... Was it the first such program?
I remember that episode and this horrible event too. I grew up in OH, but was too young to be going to concerts at the time. I think it must have made a strong impression on me, because I've never really been to or even wanted to go to a big concert, no matter how much I liked the band.
Baby if you've ever wondered, wondered whatever became of me, I'm living on the air in Cincinnati, Cincinnati WKRP