Dear Lord, As A Celtic fan I feel it fair to say a fan could be Irish or could be Scots. I fully apprciate that the majority of Rangers fans see themselves as Scots or British and many are Northen Irish. BUT why on earth would anyone say it's a divide between Irish and English? Have you guys not watched enough videos on the UK to know that calling either an Irishman or a Scotsman, English is not going to go well for you? If there is anything in the entire Britsh Isles that really has nothing to do with England it's Scottish football and the Old Firm.
Spot on, that's what gets me bout Yanks, they probably think Scotland is in England, remember Yanks don't know very much about anything beyond their own Shores ✌️
Why does Spencer keep referring to English, in the context of Rangers and Celtic. British, maybe. Scottish definitely. Nothing very much to do with England. Remember there’s a big difference.
@@macman975 none of the responses answer the question though. The purpose of these films is to both entertain and inform. It sort of defeats the informing / educating purpose if the whole video has the subjects saying ‘Britain’ and. ‘Scotland’ whilst the RUclipsr is selectively deaf and hears ‘England’. Ho hum
No I wouldn't say its that simple I have rangers supporting friends who believe in the removal of the royals from state and Catholic celtic supports who served in the forces and are staunch royalists the Queen was their greatest boss!
I once went to a Celtic v Rangers match. It was exciting, end to end stuff, until it was interrupted by 22 players invading the pitch and playing a game of football
That joke was on the Two Ronnie's in the mid 70s.The version they said was,today at the Rangers versus Celtic match fighting on the terracing was interrupted when play broke out on the pitch.
Been a hoops fan all my life. My three grandsons are rangers fans,and nothing absolutely nothing comes between us. 90 mins a week we don't see eye to eye, but in a fun way. Football in our family is exactly that, Football.
Totally agree my Son-in-law is a big Rangers Fan but his little Bhoy is like me and my son are Celtic to the core my Husband and my Daughter and Granddaughter are Dundee United so happy days 😂😂😂😂Hail Hail
I was once in conversation with Anton Rogan who at the time was playing for my team Sunderland .He was born in Belfast and played for Celtic .He was amazed when he moved to England that nobody asked him what school he attended as it was always the first question you are asked in Ireland and Glasgow .The answer immediately marked you out as either Protestant or Catholic.
I live in Belfast and that is the true as feck . . its whats your name ? William or Sean? then what school did go too ? a sort way to find out who you are lol
I'm a Rangers fan and one of my best mates is a Celtic fan. After the old firm we messaged each other saying, "Well done" To whoever wins on the day. We also sit talk about games and players, And share jokes with each other. I like to think we are the best kinds of fans from both our fan bases. We are both want to win the league, but at the end of the day, it is only a game and it won't break up our friendship.
This is exactly how it should be, I'm the same and i'm a Celtic fan, so many of my good pals went to the Protestant school around the corner from my Catholic school and while we used to hate each others schools when young we all hung about in the same scheme. It was weird but in Scotland the 1 good thing we do is we tend not to let religion cause division but there are others who will use politics and parades to try and divide us. At the end of the day we're all Scots and i'd like to think we just want to live the best lives we can. I couldn't imagine living a life being so bitter most days.
If anything I learned from this video, It's celtic fans come across as more sectarian than Rangers fans, you only need to listen to them throughout the video to see and here this. Something seriously wrong in the head of the guy Abdul.
Nice video guys! My son and I went to ibrox in December for the first time 2 days after seeing Arsenal play West Ham. The atmosphere was as intense as anything I’ve ever seen for Rangers vs Motherwell and it wasn’t an Old Firm Derby. Being an American we have attachments to our teams but these two clubs are at a different level. I met some wonderful people at Ibrox and I’m sure without all of the baggage of 150+ years of this rivalry if we went to Parkhead we would have felt the same way.
@@missyyoutube7145 How many convicted paedos at Rangers???? We know Celtic football and athletic club fan's are brought up to lie in the Catholic faith don't we😂
@@missyyoutube7145 Why didn't catholic club Hibernian who Celtic football and athletic club stole it's player's for its inception not to mention stealing Liverpool's anthem inform the police about Neely,?? Maybe that facist Catholic beliefs to not inform on each other eh??? ZERO CONVICTIONS AT RANGERS
@@amcq9214 The real research is Google old firm murders only goes back a decade or two much worse from the 30s till 80s that's proper research in this "rivalry".
I'm from Glasgow and I can tell you that nobody got that scar deliberately. That is definitely a battle scar. Slashing faces was preferable to stabbings because the victim was unlikely to die bringing about a murder charge.
@@LauraLou82 Was that a real thing? I remember hearing stories about that when I was a kid but never met anyone who had actually seen it happen. I'm sure some maniac tried it at some point.
@@worldwidekeef If you’ve ever heard someone talk about a “chib” that’s what it is. It’s a mark that can never be removed. The guy who played “chib” in sons of anarchy literally has his own.
In 96 I was involved in helping a group of disabled Rangers fans have a guided tour of the Ibrox stadium. Their chairman at the time David Murray was disabled, and had a personal lift built into the stand. He wouldn't let anyone use it except him, not even disabled Rangers fans. We had to lift people in electric wheelchairs up and down flights of stairs. Dispicable.
One of my Moroccan friends told me "I love Scottish Football, I support Celtic and Rangers" I went "No you don't, you have to pick" Of course when I lived in Glasgow I told them I supported Clydebank - the choice for those tired of this
Seriously? I was born in Drumchapel. Live in England now. My grandad used to work at the Singer factory in Clydebank, we used to get our clothes, school uniforms in Clydebank 😊.
They had a great cup run recently was cheering for the bankies nice to see teams in lower levels do well. Just wish league open up more but many will have a senior team and a junior one. But partick thistle or queens park could be neutral option i know queens need the fans and both just missed out on promotion to the prem :O
I was born in Glasgow and was a rangers fan, but most of my mates were celtic supporters it was a great excuse for a piss up and a barny,brilliant time had by all since 1962
This derby may not be the best footballing match in the world in terms of player ability but my god it is easily the most passionate and atmospheric match in the world by a mile.
Easily? You clearly haven't seen other football rivalries, I mean, look in Argentina they have some pretty crazy games there and fans can actually party in the stands, they take all sorts of things to create an amazing atmosphere on match day, and there are good rivalries and great atmospheres on every continent, I recently watched a video of a rivalry from Argentina between Newells Old Boys vs Rosario Central and my god the atmosphere was so great, there are great rivalries everyone on earth, and the ones in South America have the best atmosphere because again, people are allowed to party unlike in most European leagues where you can't really do much besides sit down and watch the game unfortunately.
@@Maidenintime86 Celtic v rangers is much deeper rivalry because it’s not all about football hatred it goes down the route of the old troubles in Ireland all them years ago and songs of that nature are sung at the grounds to this day.
@@garyrobertson9534 Yeah i know, it's a great rivalry and a great game with great fans, but to say it's the best is quite complicated, there are so many games with great atmosphere and passion that I find it hard to pick one as the best of them all you know.
Just to let you know. Rangers did die in 2012. They had to form as a new entity and start again in the lower leagues. They are now known as ‘The Rangers Football Club’
@correctbydefault2047😂 stop lying to yourself. We all remember. Never relegated..you had to reapply to "Join" the football league. New club no history. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that can never be undone. We know what you are.
I'm a Celtic fan, nice to see people learning about what made this rivalry as intense as it is. Hopefully we can talk about things with sensibility and rationale. Edit - sadly I was wrong about the latter 🤦♂️
9:25 I respect that man for saying "vice verse" when talking about Irish immigrants to Scotland because I have seen Rangers fans only ever talk about the Irish immigrants to Scotland but never mention the fact that there are people of Scottish heritage in Ireland too. At least he admitted the movement of people went both ways.
Most of the Scottish that went to Ireland late 1500s early 1600s ( before Scottish English union) where slaughtered by the Irish, 1641 the barbaric cruelty is beyond belief
Lads these things make it out to be so much more mental than it actually is. I’m a Glasgow lad born and bred season ticket holder at Rangers for 30 years. Never had any issue at a game against that lot.
My family has a few, many of of family (Celtic fans) don’t even go to Hampden because they genuinely feel unsafe and some of them have been in fights there as well, it is really bad
NOTE I am NOT a fan of ANY football. VICE is a very left-wing publication, and the Rangers are more to the right of the spectrum, so this documentary has a noticeable bias against the Rangers. For example, the documentary highlights Ranger's wrongdoing but glosses over Celtic hooliganism.
I just watched your video on the crimes of Jimmy Savile. Please google the historic child abuse at celtic football club and their relationship with savile. It's a whole other story.
@ajorngjdonaydbr Aye? Look up Saville and Stien. Your Jimmy ,wearing green and grey, beside him. Also, Sellik invited him to training in 1987 and dubbed him "a staunch supporter". Lies from cradle to grave you lot. Easy to look up on Google, but you won't. B.J.K.
As a kid, I lived in a place called Winealley. Which was just down the road from Ibrox, so after every game a few of us would do a searchie. Which was just basically searching the stands for anything people dropped. But occasionally, staff wouldn't lock up properly and we'd get into a storeroom for the kiosks. When that happened, we would spread the good news. And it seem that half the Winealley were running up and down the Broomloan rd with boxes of crisps and sweets, and tins of hotdogs etc. The extra fun part was Orkeney st police station was also just down the road in the other direction.
I grew up in The Netherlands, and been an Ajax season ticket holder for several years, yet some of my best friends were Feyenoord supporters. Our words to each other could be lethal, but we knew it was just banter and we would still walk out as friends. When Ajax and Celtic played each other in the Champions League qualifying in 2001, the atmosphere between both groups of fans was so amazing that I fell in love with Celtic too. So when I moved to Belfast in 2005, it didn't take long before I got a Celtic season ticket, and while I knew that I had to be a bit more careful with banter, even after an old firm game I was in a Celtic bar having a beer and a chat with a Rangers supporter. When the game is finished, most people can be respectful, and one thing that is very important, is the statue outside Celtic Park, that says Football without fans is nothing, and that is also the case without fans from either side. There is a great atmosphere, because of the rivalry, not despite the rivalry. And yes, I still hate the Rangers, regardless of whether it's Glasgow or New York
I was at the Celtic Ajax CL qualifying 3-1 I think? After the game, I was in a bar with ajax fans and what a night we had. Since then, we have had an allegiance, and I always want Ajax to win the Dutch league. Celtic 🤝 Ajax
You should look on you tube for the love in on the gallowgate between celtic and ajax.Its at hoops bar showing ajax fans attacking the pub full of celtic fans. 6 celtic fans were hospitalised actually kept in the injuries were that serious.Ajax fans I know prefer Rangers ,feyenoord and celtic get on due to them playing each other in the 1970 european cup final.Anytime Rangers play feyernoord the crowd trouble starts with pitch battles in the stands.
I remember the casuals days,i'm 50 so i was around 14 when it kicked off,about 40 of us young guys were getting a train from dundee to edinburgh,dundee utd v hibs match,we arrived in to the station and there was around 100 police waiting,they made 2 lines from one platfrom straight over to the one to go back to dundee,they told us they were saving our lives because there were 400 hibs waiting for us 😂
I remember those days and a huge crowd of ICF lads would go from my scheme and half of them grew up as Catholics, lol. They just ended up gloryhunters and ended up fighting most weeks at games in 80s/90s. The 1 thing i always remember from those days is that Hibs where the number 1 crew then and they even came through on a train 1 day to Glasgow and about 300 of them came to Penilee looking for the ICF lads, they where bold as fuck and i always remember the Rangers lads telling us about Hibs. They knew themselves how Hibs just didn't care. That was about the same time when Rangers fans went to Sunderland and they slashed a few lads down there in a friendly game and the Sun or some paper printed their faces and about half of them where the lads from Penilee. They ended up getting arrested. Crazy days.
@@colinstephen2018Even the hibs baby crew had a lack of fear instilled in it. They used to smash Jenners windows to get the clothes for the firm in smash and grab style. That’s where the whole smart dressed casual scene started
Im from Glasgow and it really is embarrassing that we cant get past this . Sad thing is the people's that demonstrate this level of sectarianism usually isn't even by practicing catholics or protestants and definitely isn't a christian way to behave. I know sectarian rangers and celtic fans i know religious people , very rarely does that mix .
I fully agree, I support one half of the duo but I think it says a lot about you as a person how you interact with each other. I watch the games with my friends from both sides and although there will be a bit of banter between us, we see it as it is, purely a game. I always felt it was people from outside Glasgow who were the most bitter. Not all, but most.
I'm a proud Weegie my family is a mixed bag of fitbaw fans and religious beliefs/ practice . Saturday Old Firm fixtures were a great family get together. Banter yes hatred no. Sectarianism is a blight on our city that has no place. Whenever a tragic event happens it's 99% of fans that unite together. Let's not give the minority a voice it doesn't deserve.
@SusanHenderson-dx8li it shouldn't take a tradedy for people to unite and come together that's the point. My family is mixed with some casual football fans luckily. I work in the building trade and mix with lots of guys on a daily basis, if it is a minority of fans it's 49 / 51% it certainly isn't 1 % in my experience. It may not be shouting sectarian slurs at games it could be as simple as a bias toward people in general for example not hiring someone based on a team they support suggestion they are Catholic/Protestant. Sad reality of living in Glasgow and I will say its not unique to the working class either
@@JamieVauxnut1 You are right it is exceptionally sad. Please note I didn't say it needed a tragedy- which it shouldn't, it was a point of reference. Nor did I mention class or indeed working environment. I cannot comment on what I've not experienced. What I will say is when our family was stranded in Greece it was a fiasco of 'planes trains & automobiles' buses ferries to different Islands to get home due to fog. Most men were in their team colours. Every single one helped each other and anybody else out during a hellish time travelling home to Glasgow over the course of 2 days mostly without water/food/rest. That said I fully agree zero tolerance to any form of abuse sectarian or otherwise. Unconscious or conscious bias is a learned behaviour so it's up to people like us to lead by example. What I will say that domestic violence reports directly correalates to football outcomes, indicative that we very much remain living in a mans world. NB: I've never experienced shameful chants etc at womens football games no matter the fixture. Perhaps there is a lesson there for us all to take heed of.
That's because people have copped on to the fact that so called 'Loyalist' and 'Unionist' concerns about being invaded by a mass horde of Celtic shirt wearing catholic zealots from a southward direction in Ireland have been proven to be false, indeed if one considers the phraseology of unionism, the idea that they are 'defenders' and they 'won't surrender', one might think that they were fighting for their lives, which of course isn't the case (in fact the opposite is true), and a relatively cursory glance at a non-biased historical source will prove this. So Rangers supporters, the supposed flegg bearers of 'Protestant values' (mainly based on an assumption of religious superiority), think that they are in a constant fight against something.... if Celtic fans show a Palestinian flag - the Rangers idiots feels they HAVE to show an Israeli flag etc etc. I have a lot of sympathy for ordinary Scots who just want to support a football team, the Irish related stuff must be a pain in the ass to them.
its not just the Catholic order celtic football club has a high court case against them for abusing you players from the 60s up till the 2000s and continued to pay a coach who abused players whilst he was in jail for said offences its not just a jibe at the Catholic religion
That's not true. It was 2 guys who run a boys club. Which was not under the supervision of Celtic FC. Niether were employees of Celtic football. Both those animals deservedly went to prison. However some warped Rangers fans are so excited about the concept, that they constantly refer to it. Despite the fact that Rangers FC have since been exposed as having 3 employees who sexually abused young players for years. Following administration they informed their victims that Rangers didn't exist any more and to take their claims to the administrators. The main perpetrator was removed by the club, without Rangers informing the police, or the media. They allowed him to move to another club in the Scottish league, and publicly thanked him for his service and wished him well for the future. Just some facts regarding the matter. All of these people were monsters and it transpires that it was widespread in British football at the time. The only club whose fans have a fascination with it are Rangers fans. ALL other fans are horrified, regardless of where it happened.
I grew up in a town called Corby in the middle of England but their was a lot of people from Glasgow their for work. I remember at school the first thing you would ask someone you didn't know is," are you protestant or Catholics, the schools in Corby where either protestant or Catholic and we use to fight each other and I thought this was normal until I moved to a different town 20 miles from Corby when I was 15 where none of this happened. When I first started school in 1973 I remember going home on the bus singing, we beat the Catholics and anyone who knows their history will know just how disgusting that was at that time but we didn't know we were only 5 years old but someone started singing it so we all just joined in it must have come from one of the parents.
Irish fella here..went to a Celtic v Dunfermline game with my dad as a kid…we had our Celtic jerseys on in hotel morning of the game..sitting having breakfast and we were told to cover up our jerseys in case rival fans saw us. Crazy..stuff
Im a Celtic man but my family is split right down the middle i had 1 grandparent who was a soldier in the ira back in the 1930's and my grampa who was a grand master in the orange lodge, ive got many many friends who support Rangers and we have our banter yes there's the odd argument usually on old firm day but we're all still mates at the end of the day but i think the best way i can sum up the impact of Scottish football is with my Mexican friend who only came to Scotland for University and fell in love with Celtic and the whole Scottish culture, hes just finished his PHD and has no intentions of moving out of Scotland because this is his home now
I find it hilarious when Celtic supporters call us smelly B*******! Just a quick reminder, the independent newspaper (and others) ran a story in 2015 and the headline was "Smelly Celtic fan leads club to issue letter to supporters 'reminding them to wash'"... pot 'n' kettle comes to mind!
Slight correction at 36 mins, I've never heard of anyone getting a Glasgow smile done out of choice to show allegiance to a gang. It's almost always where somebody has been attacked by an opposing gang, and occasionally punishment by your own gang for doing something you shouldn't have done (usually snitching)
It is fake !! Ur either a 100% bigot or ur not ! 90minute bigot ISNT a thing we’re brought up to hate each other and the more the other mob does the more u hate them !
@brownwarrior6867 there was a documentary i watched somewhere and it says about the chelsea headhunters adopting the Glasgow smile and using the names as both the chelsea smile and the chelsea grin but the Glasgow smile is the original name.
39:15 who would have know in 10 years it would be Celtic fan attacking old Neil. 48:32 ironic because Celtic had to right letter to there season ticket holder to tell them to shower before games in 2015
The clip of Lennon getting attacked by the fan is very misleading. As this documentary is about the old firm. The guy that attacked Lennon was at tynecastle and the guy was a hearts fan.
there has always been a bit of a misunderstanding around this rivalry. 1. Celtic are not "the Catholic club". Rangers were the anti-catholic club, the blacklisted catholics for decades, while many of Celtic's best players ana managers were protestant (as Celtic were always a non denominational club open to all). 2. The split is more left wing / right wing nowadays (like everywhere, sadly). Celtic attract the left wing catholics and protestants and Rangers attract the right wing, which explains the switch in fortunes. 3. The best comparison for you guys is the Eagles/Cowboys rivalry. Similar hate levels. One team is the "establishment team" "America's team/ Britain's team" and the other is the team of the people, set up by working class Irish immigrants. Rangers and Dallas were super clubs before a collapse in the mid ninetys for both teams. Then financial scrutiny came in and both establishment teams collapsed and the people's teams thrived
Grew up a Celtic fan (not much into football now) and living in bridgeton which is predominantly a “loyalist” area. I remember my parents were wary about me moving there but it’s a decent wee area and not nearly as bad as it was 20-30 years ago
I grew up in the 90's and sectarianism was extremely rife from all angles. I am actually very proud of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland for eradicating about 90% of sectarianism since the Governments and Police really started clamping down on such behaviours with new laws introduced. I have seen a massive difference over the years since they banned all sectarian songs at Football grounds. Each Country has done their bit and a new generation of children grew up and were not taught bigoted or sectarian behaviours. Each Country feels a little bit safer nowadays. People really can change, I have seen it for myself.
Abdul is a joke figure used by rangers fans and a figure of fun and ridicule by Celtic fans,I honestly think there's no merit in having him in this doc
@@missyyoutube7145 think you’re in the tiny minority with them thoughts 😂 and the documentary shows a true reflection of Glasgow and the old firm only last season a rangers fan was hit with a bottle in Celtic park and the Celtic team doctor was hit with a bottle inside ibrox
@@missyyoutube7145I’ve never been described as a Ned before in my life that actually made me laugh 😂 if Glasgow isn’t as bad as the documentary makes out you’ll have no problem going to the 12th wearing a Celtic top and just so you know I’m a rangers fan I hate everything to do with Celtic from the club covering up a Paedophile ring till their fans not washing
@@user-fh5kq8mp7jand including your own club covering up Neilly and Dunn. You glorify paedos every time you win fuckall which is extremely often these days.
As a rangers fan I hate all connections to Ireland. It's a Scottish club. Glasgow club that has massive support globally. I believe the religious aspect is historic and would be less if Scottish Celtic fans support Scotland first. Also rangers fans ignore the northern Ireland history. Scottish not irish.The songs are learned young and are songs that bond people. But they are songs... Not beliefs. I 100% want the old firm to be known as Scottish and nothing else. I believe the religious trouble has been brought from Ireland and it's both clubs shame that they have not distanced themselves from it. They both continue to pander to the very loud minority.
You guys would be fine at the game, as you said you've no dog in the fight. Plenty of fans of other clubs have experienced old firm games and lived to tell the tale! You would actually be treated with open arms if anything!
There's no way I would take kids to watch an old firm match. You really need to go to one of those games to understand the intensely hostile atmosphere.
The hatred is extremely over exaggerated by the media, me and my Celtic supporting friends make jokes about it and we will sing the songs but at the end of the day we don’t HATE each other
I am German, but i am part of the punk scene in Scotland. Most punks including myself tend towards the Bhoys in Green as they are left-wing, and make a point of being welcoming to refugees/LGBT etc, although one guy I know from a great band called endless Swarm is a rangers fan, and he and a mix of Rangers and Celtic fans come together to raise donations for food banks and stuff like that. That Rangers fan himself sold me a Celtic Anti-Fascist shirt from his Celtic mate's stall, so there is unity in some corners, and more division in others.
I've watched the first 5 minutes an it reminds me of this African comedian who said 'The British aren't racist, they say ohh your from Africa that's cool at least your not from Manchester, we are so busy hating each other that we forget to hate the rest of the world, so funny because it's true, as a scouser I'd rather have foreign neighbours than manc neighbours. I hope you make it to your 100k subs soon you deserve it ETS is a great channel xx
There is no old firm. The old firm rivalry ended in 2012 when the old rangers died. We now have a rivalry with sevco5088 who bought the old liquidated clubs history and trophies. sevco5088 then changed the name to the rangers international football club but still they claim its the same club😂 This game is now known as the Glasgow derby. These are the facts and easily checkable.
While working in a pub in Luxembourg I had three days of Rangers fan who were playing a European game. A Sporting Lisbon fan wearing their green and white shirt made the mistake of riding his bicycle nearby. He was hit by several bottles, the others missed!
My cousins were from Philly and took their 3 kids to ibrox. My brothers in law and 9 nieces and nephews also attended. All of whom married people of opposite religion.
People from outside Europe don't seem to realise its not a religious thing, it's Catholic vs Protestant, but its more of an Ethnic divide than a divide based on scripture or teachings. Its very similar to the divide between Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks.
Not really, since Catholics faced open discrimination in Scotland. So it has roots in religion, but of course most fans on both sides nowadays are probably not very religious themselves. Rangers had no Catholic players until the late 1980s.
@@mikemurray2027 oh absolutely back in the day it was, but even then I don't know to what extent it was actually about scripture and not just wanting to beat up the foreigners. Going to a Catholic school I know for a fact the amount of people that hated the rangers for nationalist issues (supporting the IRA over the RUC or UDA/UVF) defos outnumbered the people who gave a shit about God. Rangers not signing players is due to them being ran by a bunch of shadowy freemasons.
@@lesleypithie6227 They are the ones who emerged from the bankruptcy mentioned in the video and being packed off to the lower divisions for not paying their taxes to the Crown (who they are supposedly loyal to). They are now referred to as Zombies!
@lesleypithie6227 Charles Green bought the assets of a football club and called it the rangers fc. All old players contracts were null and void hence why most of them left but some signed new contracts with new club and this new club had to apply to get into the Scottish football league and be parachuted straight into top league which was rightly laughed out the park and so they had to start from the 4th tier of scottish football and work their way up like any other new team would do. That is a short version of what happened.
Separate pubs for different footbal teams is not unique to Glasgow. In my hometown of Bristol we have 'city' pubs and 'rovers' pubs. It's like that up and down the Island. The city/rovers rivalry of Bristol is particularly fierce with regular episodes of violence whenever they play each other. My mate did a few years of bird for burning down the rovers stadium a couple of decades ago. He's city 😂
ufff.... in the nineties i had a exchange student week staying at kibbleschool in paysley. that game was being played that weekend, and while we drove in the main road through glasgow , there were bridges along the whole road. and every bridge there were groups having battles on those bridges, with sticks, chains, etc. it is truly warfare between the city blocks. through the whole city..
This was interesting seeing you guys react to this. 90 minute bigot sums the city up. 50% of marriages in Glasgow are between the two sides. I'm a Rangers fan, my Dad supports them, my grandad supported them and my great graddad supported them. I love Rangers, but my best mate is a Celtic fan and I love the guy, I went to the funeral of his Dad who I also loved a couple of weeks ago. Yes, it's rivalry, yes it is intense, but lots of us love people from the other side, but for 90 minutes we kinda hate each other. One thing I will say is Rangers have had about 15 USA players for us and Celtic fans during a game after 9/11 did airplane motions to Reyna after 9/11
@@tbonemccabe4203 Hey, I may love my friend and his Dad RIP, but I'm still a Rangers fan and as a Rangers fan I hate Celtic, as you rightly hate us. What do you expect? Haha
Celtic fan here from Glasgow. I met a great guy called jackson from atlanta Georgia at a celtic game it was his first time being in Scotland and i can promise you he had the best time ever he was welcomed by every fan 🏴🇺🇲🇮🇪
Interesting topic. Im a footy fan who enjoyed watching Rangers over 20 yrs ago, so not a hardcore fan. Years later i met my brother in oaw who is Irish catholic and a solid celtic fan. Things have been interesting eve since! Not sure uf anyone else explained that around 2011 Rangers had their financial issues. This meant they got sent to the lowest division in the League system and had to work their way back up over a few years. The best part was winning the league again after years in time to stop celtic getting the record for consecutive title wins.😂 As u know by now its Celtic and not Celtics. Pretty brave if you to pick a side though in relation to your fanbase future!
Something that was incredible when Rangers got demoted to the Third Division was that the stadium (50,000) still sold out for every game. Rangers fans are, without doubt, the most loyal in the world.
You should see the film Green Street. It higlights the infamous West Ham and Millwall rivalry. Its from an American characters perspective so itd be perfect
Celtic v Rangers is definately the oldest club football derby, this is why it's called 'The Old Firm'. Celtic fans should go back to Ireland and Rangers fans should go back to England and give the Scots some f*****g piece.
Celtic fans are welcomed wherever we go because we party and have a good time. 'The Rangers' fans are referred to as Huns because like the ancient barbarians they devastate cities across Europe including after winning a final in Barcelona in 1972 (I mean who riots after winning?). The English press in the 70's coined the term to describe this unruly behaviour calling them “a band of marauding huns”. Unlike Fenians and Taigs it is not a sectarian slur and OFCOM referred to it as of limited offensiveness. Celtic fans have used it since to refer to Rangers supporters (and the British army who destroyed the centre of Dublin in the War of Independence). 'The Rangers' fans also rioted in Manchester during another European final causing damage and after their most recent league win wrecked the city centre in Glasgow as they fought amongst themselves. That is the difference between our attitudes - we come for a party and 'The Rangers' come for a fight as they have a chip on their shoulder that 'no one likes us everybody hates us.'
You have to think about the troubles in more recent times too and the impact the republicans/loyalist feuding and police and army impact had on families. This would inevitably ingrain some form of at a minimum distance up to hatred understandably due to what families and the community and then connections went through. This all travels through support and through time gets worse. It’s not just the old history it’s constantly in the everyday lives of people. From marching season behaviour nothing being done about the offensive behaviour at them but the fans are being targeted by the government based on the idiots at games that take it too far. Abdul saying calling opponents fans paedophiles is banter is ridiculous. How would anyone react if someone called them a paedophile in day to day life it’s disgusting that’s not banter. Minorities of both sides fans behave inappropriately and deserve calling out. Overall the singing at games to a point adds to the atmosphere but at times is taken too far.
celtic fan my self here but this derby isn't the same anymore with the reduced away ticket allocation. but another derby in the spfl which is the edinburgh derby which in my opinion is became a better derby still with prods and catholics. love the vids
Mate yer having a laugh absolutely no cunt hinks hibs n hearts derby is a better aptmosphere or even derby than The old firm even hibs n hearts wid never try claim that ya nugget there’s not a chance u support Celtic wae patter like that even wee the ticket allocation there is more noise and aptmosphere than the Edinburgh derby and the games always a better standard anaw so What other reasons could you possibly think the Edinburgh derby being better ?
After that rangers went to the bottom division and took 10 years to work there back to the top and win there 55 title to stop Celtic winning the coveted 10 league titles in a row thank f#%k.
I was a Rangers fan once upon a time when I could afford to go to the games. ( I can’t stand watching football on the tv ) The average fan take it all in good spirit and don’t allow the religious side of things or even the old rivalry between the teams to go any further than some mild jesting. In my opinion it is two particular groups among the fans that cause the problems and keep this nonsense going. The Blue Order and The Green Brigade. Football is supposed to be The Beautiful Game. The actions these groups represent and take part in have no place in the game. It honestly saddens me to see and hear about the violence this rivalry causes. The Scottish Sun reported back in 2017 that domestic abuse increased 27% when the Old Firm played compared to a normal weekend. Things like that honestly make me glad I no longer follow football.
What have the green brigade done that makes you paint them as this terrible group of people? I'm only asking because I'm sure you wouldn't go online and make a statement in that way without specific examples, so what are those examples?
@@roguerebel6297We could start with the banners they so proudly display showing hate towards the country, the monarchy, political figures.... Or maybe the effigies they 'hung' with Rangers scarves on World Suicide Prevention Day... Or perhaps the booing during Remembrance Day minute silences and the banners they display about remembering our men and women who fought for the freedoms they currently enjoy??!! I could go on! I would also like to add that The Blue Order aren't much better but in no way are The Green Brigade due a free pass!
@@roguerebel6297 for starters there’s the typical hooligan behaviour that’s seen from both sides, there’s plenty of trouble caused in the streets, fights being started, windows on building a and vehicles caved in. People being attacked just for wearing the other sides colours. An example that’s stuck with me since I was a kid was one I had seen on the front page of the paper, it was either the Scottish Sun or the Daily Record. A young boy wearing a rangers strip had attacked a grown man unprovoked with a claw hammer and he was hospitalised with injuries to his head and face. My company has a workshop right beside ibrox stadium and it’s not uncommon to hear of someone being beaten up after an old firm game.
Everyone wants justice of course, but to always remind us about it when we have no control over it, were just fans like everybody else, that enjoy the success of the team on the pitch,
@@jamestoni is that why tax records show they were never employed directly by celtic and had no influence at the club? But yes, don't let facts get in the way of your BS son. You couldn't even name a victim unless you googled it first. Shows how low you monsters are.
+ the religious element is just an excuse to pin the hatred on. As with all hatred, there is no real reason/logic to this nonsense. Ibrox is on the southside of Glasgow, not the west.
These chats are not a 'hot topic', it's racist bigotry. It wouldn't be acceptable in other circumstances, therefore it's not acceptable in this either.
Spencer wouldnt worry bout this bus driver. This standard and fans always do a whip round for driver at the end. 50 people on the bus and most will put in at least £5 each for drivers trouble
Dear Lord, As A Celtic fan I feel it fair to say a fan could be Irish or could be Scots. I fully apprciate that the majority of Rangers fans see themselves as Scots or British and many are Northen Irish. BUT why on earth would anyone say it's a divide between Irish and English? Have you guys not watched enough videos on the UK to know that calling either an Irishman or a Scotsman, English is not going to go well for you? If there is anything in the entire Britsh Isles that really has nothing to do with England it's Scottish football and the Old Firm.
Spot on, that's what gets me bout Yanks, they probably think Scotland is in England, remember Yanks don't know very much about anything beyond their own Shores ✌️
The fact he refers to Celtic as "Celtics" like the NBA team just shows how ignorant these guys are
I have to admit i don't even know what street Scotland's on.
@@Bertie22222 Are you American by any chance?
@@WilliamWallace42 No buddy, i ain't no yankee.
I'm a Rangers man and i have lots of celtic friends,we just don't talk for that week we're playing haha
Haha that’s so true mate, from a Celtic fan 👍😂
100% mate fae a celtic man
as someone who's a rangers fan in a family full of celtic fans...i can confirm this also 🤣🤣🤣
Celtic till I die, my friend 😎
@@jimmyrfc775 My brother went for Rangers just too piss off me and my hardcore Celtic sister, disown territory 🤣
Why does Spencer keep referring to English, in the context of Rangers and Celtic. British, maybe. Scottish definitely. Nothing very much to do with England. Remember there’s a big difference.
I don't think he meant anything by it, it's a common mistake that Americans make but it's a harmless one
@@rorz999 I never suggested he did. But it’s a factual one aswell.
@@stephentaylor9900you asked why, that dude above just answered you, chill out.
@@stephentaylor9900 When you ask a question you'll usually get an answer!
@@macman975 none of the responses answer the question though. The purpose of these films is to both entertain and inform. It sort of defeats the informing / educating purpose if the whole video has the subjects saying ‘Britain’ and. ‘Scotland’ whilst the RUclipsr is selectively deaf and hears ‘England’. Ho hum
It's not just Catholics and protestants.
It's more Republicans against unionists/loyalists.
you say potato...
No I wouldn't say its that simple I have rangers supporting friends who believe in the removal of the royals from state and Catholic celtic supports who served in the forces and are staunch royalists the Queen was their greatest boss!
@@martynwhyte7673your ting absolute shite 😂🙈ur definitely a bit special !
I once went to a Celtic v Rangers match. It was exciting, end to end stuff, until it was interrupted by 22 players invading the pitch and playing a game of football
That joke was on the Two Ronnie's in the mid 70s.The version they said was,today at the Rangers versus Celtic match fighting on the terracing was interrupted when play broke out on the pitch.
Either way it’s still funny 😂
@@ange1098 Agreed, Billy Connelly had a belter about Rangers and Celtic fans its on an audience with Billy Connolly.I won't spoil it by telling it.
@@LeggieGlasgow Thanks for not shitting in our shoes.
@@mike7002 bang on 😂
The famous Glass cow Celtics
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Been a hoops fan all my life. My three grandsons are rangers fans,and nothing absolutely nothing comes between us. 90 mins a week we don't see eye to eye, but in a fun way. Football in our family is exactly that, Football.
Exactly the way it should be.
NOTHING is more important than family
Totally agree my Son-in-law is a big Rangers Fan but his little Bhoy is like me and my son are Celtic to the core my Husband and my Daughter and Granddaughter are Dundee United so happy days 😂😂😂😂Hail Hail
@@maureenurquhart interesting household 😂😂😂Celtic fans winding up Rangers fan who’s winding up Dundee United fans.
Dinner time = food fight 😂😂😂
i'm a rangers fan...with a family of celtic fans, i love them...but any time the 2 teams play we keep out each others way for a few days :D
bothered
@@MarkSmith-er7fe what?
I took an American from Rutgers prep to a rangers v Celtic game in 71 he was still in shock two years later 😂😂😂😂👢👢
😂😂😂Cracker!!
I was once in conversation with Anton Rogan who at the time was playing for my team Sunderland .He was born in Belfast and played for Celtic .He was amazed when he moved to England that nobody asked him what school he attended as it was always the first question you are asked in Ireland and Glasgow .The answer immediately marked you out as either Protestant or Catholic.
Sadly that's the first question asked across too much of Central Scotland.
Fantastic player for my team Millwall.
It was the first question asked around 25 years ago and beyond. Not any more, speaking as a 52 year old man, i haven't been asked such a question.
I live in Belfast and that is the true as feck . . its whats your name ? William or Sean? then what school did go too ? a sort way to find out who you are lol
@williammcaleese2709 no, its protestant
Theyre not Celtics theyre just Celtic with no S. Small detail but important lol
I'm a Rangers fan and one of my best mates is a Celtic fan. After the old firm we messaged each other saying, "Well done" To whoever wins on the day. We also sit talk about games and players, And share jokes with each other. I like to think we are the best kinds of fans from both our fan bases. We are both want to win the league, but at the end of the day, it is only a game and it won't break up our friendship.
My hubby is a ger. A big wan💙💚
@@1888.cfc. he'll have been quiet this season lol, bet you're buzzing 🤣
@@RayzrBlazer He's always quiet. He only speaks when spoken too👊💥
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This is exactly how it should be, I'm the same and i'm a Celtic fan, so many of my good pals went to the Protestant school around the corner from my Catholic school and while we used to hate each others schools when young we all hung about in the same scheme. It was weird but in Scotland the 1 good thing we do is we tend not to let religion cause division but there are others who will use politics and parades to try and divide us. At the end of the day we're all Scots and i'd like to think we just want to live the best lives we can. I couldn't imagine living a life being so bitter most days.
@@colinstephen2018 Religion has ruined football and Scotland's central belt. It's one of the reasons why I'm an atheist.
If anything I learned from this video, It's celtic fans come across as more sectarian than Rangers fans, you only need to listen to them throughout the video to see and here this. Something seriously wrong in the head of the guy Abdul.
Nice video guys! My son and I went to ibrox in December for the first time 2 days after seeing Arsenal play West Ham. The atmosphere was as intense as anything I’ve ever seen for Rangers vs Motherwell and it wasn’t an Old Firm Derby. Being an American we have attachments to our teams but these two clubs are at a different level. I met some wonderful people at Ibrox and I’m sure without all of the baggage of 150+ years of this rivalry if we went to Parkhead we would have felt the same way.
Yes Ibrox is the best in Scotland
@@missyyoutube7145Celtic football and athletic club have 9 CONVICTED PEADOS and still haven't apologized not too mention payed the victim's
@@missyyoutube7145 How many convicted paedos at Rangers???? We know Celtic football and athletic club fan's are brought up to lie in the Catholic faith don't we😂
@@missyyoutube7145 Why didn't catholic club Hibernian who Celtic football and athletic club stole it's player's for its inception not to mention stealing Liverpool's anthem inform the police about Neely,?? Maybe that facist Catholic beliefs to not inform on each other eh??? ZERO CONVICTIONS AT RANGERS
@@missyyoutube7145 9 CONVICTED AT CELTIC FOOTBALL AND ATHLETIC CLUB
Thinking Scotland is in England is like thinking America is just part of Canada.
As a Rangers fan I’ve been wanting someone to react to this exact video on the old firm, definitely best shows and describes the rivalry
Actually no it doesnt.this video shows how ppl view the rivalry when they havent done the research.
@@amcq9214 The real research is Google old firm murders only goes back a decade or two much worse from the 30s till 80s that's proper research in this "rivalry".
I'm from Glasgow and I can tell you that nobody got that scar deliberately. That is definitely a battle scar. Slashing faces was preferable to stabbings because the victim was unlikely to die bringing about a murder charge.
Also putting a penny between 2 razor blades and slashing because it can't be stitched 😵
@@LauraLou82 Was that a real thing? I remember hearing stories about that when I was a kid but never met anyone who had actually seen it happen. I'm sure some maniac tried it at some point.
@@worldwidekeef Sadly yes, seen many in my time working in A&E, they often don't heal well and leave a very ugly scar 😞
@@worldwidekeef
If you’ve ever heard someone talk about a “chib” that’s what it is.
It’s a mark that can never be removed. The guy who played “chib” in sons of anarchy literally has his own.
@@reecedignan8365 I've never seen Sons of Anarchy but I've seen a few chibs! Haven't heard that word in years!
In 96 I was involved in helping a group of disabled Rangers fans have a guided tour of the Ibrox stadium. Their chairman at the time David Murray was disabled, and had a personal lift built into the stand. He wouldn't let anyone use it except him, not even disabled Rangers fans. We had to lift people in electric wheelchairs up and down flights of stairs. Dispicable.
That's shocking 😮
Never happened
Things that never happened.....
@@sidgibson5414 Andy Bradbury scoring a goal...
What’s your point ? Nothing to do with religion or the rivalry with Seltics
Good to see you tackle some serious topics I actually enjoyed watching that with you!
100 videos couldnt cover 10% of the history between the clubs & the city , for 90% of fans its a 90 minute hatred at most ...these days.
It's the blue blue blue sea of IBROX 🇬🇧🇬🇧
One of my Moroccan friends told me "I love Scottish Football, I support Celtic and Rangers"
I went "No you don't, you have to pick"
Of course when I lived in Glasgow I told them I supported Clydebank - the choice for those tired of this
I live in Clydebank and don’t even support Clydebank 😂🍀
Seriously? I was born in Drumchapel. Live in England now. My grandad used to work at the Singer factory in Clydebank, we used to get our clothes, school uniforms in Clydebank 😊.
@@vcrossCelticfc aye . Born and bred Clydebank. I actually stay just up the hill from Singers Station . My mum is from Drumchapel 😁
They had a great cup run recently was cheering for the bankies nice to see teams in lower levels do well. Just wish league open up more but many will have a senior team and a junior one. But partick thistle or queens park could be neutral option i know queens need the fans and both just missed out on promotion to the prem :O
@@garethlewis2258 Hiya Gareth, Andy Gray (who used to play centre forward for Aston Villa, Wolves and Everton) he's from Drumchapel
I was born in Glasgow and was a rangers fan, but most of my mates were celtic supporters it was a great excuse for a piss up and a barny,brilliant time had by all since 1962
This derby may not be the best footballing match in the world in terms of player ability but my god it is easily the most passionate and atmospheric match in the world by a mile.
Easily? You clearly haven't seen other football rivalries, I mean, look in Argentina they have some pretty crazy games there and fans can actually party in the stands, they take all sorts of things to create an amazing atmosphere on match day, and there are good rivalries and great atmospheres on every continent, I recently watched a video of a rivalry from Argentina between Newells Old Boys vs Rosario Central and my god the atmosphere was so great, there are great rivalries everyone on earth, and the ones in South America have the best atmosphere because again, people are allowed to party unlike in most European leagues where you can't really do much besides sit down and watch the game unfortunately.
@@Maidenintime86 Celtic v rangers is much deeper rivalry because it’s not all about football hatred it goes down the route of the old troubles in Ireland all them years ago and songs of that nature are sung at the grounds to this day.
@@garyrobertson9534 Yeah i know, it's a great rivalry and a great game with great fans, but to say it's the best is quite complicated, there are so many games with great atmosphere and passion that I find it hard to pick one as the best of them all you know.
@@Maidenintime86 English people wouldn’t understand
Just to let you know. Rangers did die in 2012. They had to form as a new entity and start again in the lower leagues. They are now known as ‘The Rangers Football Club’
RFC 🇬🇧
@correctbydefault2047 😂
@correctbydefault2047 well said mate these Muppets are sad as fuck. Must have boring lives to still be speiling this obvious nonsense. WATP
@correctbydefault2047😂 stop lying to yourself. We all remember. Never relegated..you had to reapply to "Join" the football league. New club no history. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 that can never be undone. We know what you are.
@correctbydefault2047 semantics. New club no history.
I'm a Celtic fan, nice to see people learning about what made this rivalry as intense as it is. Hopefully we can talk about things with sensibility and rationale.
Edit - sadly I was wrong about the latter 🤦♂️
I'm a Rangers fan and I'm sad at so many disgusting comments too. Do we really learn nothing? Together we could put the world to rights!😢💙💚
Celtic not Celtics.
9:25 I respect that man for saying "vice verse" when talking about Irish immigrants to Scotland because I have seen Rangers fans only ever talk about the Irish immigrants to Scotland but never mention the fact that there are people of Scottish heritage in Ireland too. At least he admitted the movement of people went both ways.
Most of the Scottish that went to Ireland late 1500s early 1600s ( before Scottish English union) where slaughtered by the Irish, 1641 the barbaric cruelty is beyond belief
Lads these things make it out to be so much more mental than it actually is. I’m a Glasgow lad born and bred season ticket holder at Rangers for 30 years. Never had any issue at a game against that lot.
My family has a few, many of of family (Celtic fans) don’t even go to Hampden because they genuinely feel unsafe and some of them have been in fights there as well, it is really bad
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Im a Scottish rangers fan same as the fans from Glasgow it's a Scottish club nothing to do with England 🏴🏴🏴
NOTE I am NOT a fan of ANY football. VICE is a very left-wing publication, and the Rangers are more to the right of the spectrum, so this documentary has a noticeable bias against the Rangers. For example, the documentary highlights Ranger's wrongdoing but glosses over Celtic hooliganism.
Celtic are not the catholic team.... Mighta been founded as such... But we are not a catholic team... We are a club open to all...
I just watched your video on the crimes of Jimmy Savile. Please google the historic child abuse at celtic football club and their relationship with savile. It's a whole other story.
100% mate.
King Charles knighted sir Jimmy savile and even asked him for marriage advice, hardly anything to do with celtic, he's one of you's mate 😂
Jimmy Saville was a well known Rangers sympathiser. Jesus you lot will try anything to point score using child abuse.
@ajorngjdonaydbr Aye? Look up Saville and Stien. Your Jimmy ,wearing green and grey, beside him. Also, Sellik invited him to training in 1987 and dubbed him "a staunch supporter". Lies from cradle to grave you lot. Easy to look up on Google, but you won't. B.J.K.
@@stewrmo A hun totally broken by the fact you let your club die in 2012 and Celtic's overwhelming dominance in the 21st century. 🤣 🍀🍀🍀🍀
As a kid, I lived in a place called Winealley. Which was just down the road from Ibrox, so after every game a few of us would do a searchie. Which was just basically searching the stands for anything people dropped. But occasionally, staff wouldn't lock up properly and we'd get into a storeroom for the kiosks. When that happened, we would spread the good news. And it seem that half the Winealley were running up and down the Broomloan rd with boxes of crisps and sweets, and tins of hotdogs etc.
The extra fun part was Orkeney st police station was also just down the road in the other direction.
I grew up in The Netherlands, and been an Ajax season ticket holder for several years, yet some of my best friends were Feyenoord supporters. Our words to each other could be lethal, but we knew it was just banter and we would still walk out as friends. When Ajax and Celtic played each other in the Champions League qualifying in 2001, the atmosphere between both groups of fans was so amazing that I fell in love with Celtic too. So when I moved to Belfast in 2005, it didn't take long before I got a Celtic season ticket, and while I knew that I had to be a bit more careful with banter, even after an old firm game I was in a Celtic bar having a beer and a chat with a Rangers supporter. When the game is finished, most people can be respectful, and one thing that is very important, is the statue outside Celtic Park, that says Football without fans is nothing, and that is also the case without fans from either side. There is a great atmosphere, because of the rivalry, not despite the rivalry. And yes, I still hate the Rangers, regardless of whether it's Glasgow or New York
I was at the Celtic Ajax CL qualifying 3-1 I think? After the game, I was in a bar with ajax fans and what a night we had. Since then, we have had an allegiance, and I always want Ajax to win the Dutch league. Celtic 🤝 Ajax
You should look on you tube for the love in on the gallowgate between celtic and ajax.Its at hoops bar showing ajax fans attacking the pub full of celtic fans. 6 celtic fans were hospitalised actually kept in the injuries were that serious.Ajax fans I know prefer Rangers ,feyenoord and celtic get on due to them playing each other in the 1970 european cup final.Anytime Rangers play feyernoord the crowd trouble starts with pitch battles in the stands.
I remember the casuals days,i'm 50 so i was around 14 when it kicked off,about 40 of us young guys were getting a train from dundee to edinburgh,dundee utd v hibs match,we arrived in to the station and there was around 100 police waiting,they made 2 lines from one platfrom straight over to the one to go back to dundee,they told us they were saving our lives because there were 400 hibs waiting for us 😂
I remember those days and a huge crowd of ICF lads would go from my scheme and half of them grew up as Catholics, lol. They just ended up gloryhunters and ended up fighting most weeks at games in 80s/90s. The 1 thing i always remember from those days is that Hibs where the number 1 crew then and they even came through on a train 1 day to Glasgow and about 300 of them came to Penilee looking for the ICF lads, they where bold as fuck and i always remember the Rangers lads telling us about Hibs. They knew themselves how Hibs just didn't care. That was about the same time when Rangers fans went to Sunderland and they slashed a few lads down there in a friendly game and the Sun or some paper printed their faces and about half of them where the lads from Penilee. They ended up getting arrested. Crazy days.
Yeah,pathetic
@@colinstephen2018Even the hibs baby crew had a lack of fear instilled in it. They used to smash Jenners windows to get the clothes for the firm in smash and grab style. That’s where the whole smart dressed casual scene started
Im from Glasgow and it really is embarrassing that we cant get past this . Sad thing is the people's that demonstrate this level of sectarianism usually isn't even by practicing catholics or protestants and definitely isn't a christian way to behave. I know sectarian rangers and celtic fans i know religious people , very rarely does that mix .
I fully agree, I support one half of the duo but I think it says a lot about you as a person how you interact with each other. I watch the games with my friends from both sides and although there will be a bit of banter between us, we see it as it is, purely a game. I always felt it was people from outside Glasgow who were the most bitter. Not all, but most.
I'm a proud Weegie my family is a mixed bag of fitbaw fans and religious beliefs/ practice . Saturday Old Firm fixtures were a great family get together. Banter yes hatred no. Sectarianism is a blight on our city that has no place. Whenever a tragic event happens it's 99% of fans that unite together. Let's not give the minority a voice it doesn't deserve.
@SusanHenderson-dx8li it shouldn't take a tradedy for people to unite and come together that's the point. My family is mixed with some casual football fans luckily. I work in the building trade and mix with lots of guys on a daily basis, if it is a minority of fans it's 49 / 51% it certainly isn't 1 % in my experience. It may not be shouting sectarian slurs at games it could be as simple as a bias toward people in general for example not hiring someone based on a team they support suggestion they are Catholic/Protestant. Sad reality of living in Glasgow and I will say its not unique to the working class either
@@JamieVauxnut1 You are right it is exceptionally sad. Please note I didn't say it needed a tragedy- which it shouldn't, it was a point of reference. Nor did I mention class or indeed working environment. I cannot comment on what I've not experienced. What I will say is when our family was stranded in Greece it was a fiasco of 'planes trains & automobiles' buses ferries to different Islands to get home due to fog. Most men were in their team colours. Every single one helped each other and anybody else out during a hellish time travelling home to Glasgow over the course of 2 days mostly without water/food/rest. That said I fully agree zero tolerance to any form of abuse sectarian or otherwise. Unconscious or conscious bias is a learned behaviour so it's up to people like us to lead by example. What I will say that domestic violence reports directly correalates to football outcomes, indicative that we very much remain living in a mans world. NB: I've never experienced shameful chants etc at womens football games no matter the fixture. Perhaps there is a lesson there for us all to take heed of.
It's not as bad as it used to be, not even close.
That's because people have copped on to the fact that so called 'Loyalist' and 'Unionist' concerns about being invaded by a mass horde of Celtic shirt wearing catholic zealots from a southward direction in Ireland have been proven to be false, indeed if one considers the phraseology of unionism, the idea that they are 'defenders' and they 'won't surrender', one might think that they were fighting for their lives, which of course isn't the case (in fact the opposite is true), and a relatively cursory glance at a non-biased historical source will prove this. So Rangers supporters, the supposed flegg bearers of 'Protestant values' (mainly based on an assumption of religious superiority), think that they are in a constant fight against something.... if Celtic fans show a Palestinian flag - the Rangers idiots feels they HAVE to show an Israeli flag etc etc. I have a lot of sympathy for ordinary Scots who just want to support a football team, the Irish related stuff must be a pain in the ass to them.
its not just the Catholic order celtic football club has a high court case against them for abusing you players from the 60s up till the 2000s and continued to pay a coach who abused players whilst he was in jail for said offences its not just a jibe at the Catholic religion
That's not true. It was 2 guys who run a boys club. Which was not under the supervision of Celtic FC. Niether were employees of Celtic football. Both those animals deservedly went to prison.
However some warped Rangers fans are so excited about the concept, that they constantly refer to it. Despite the fact that Rangers FC have since been exposed as having 3 employees who sexually abused young players for years. Following administration they informed their victims that Rangers didn't exist any more and to take their claims to the administrators.
The main perpetrator was removed by the club, without Rangers informing the police, or the media. They allowed him to move to another club in the Scottish league, and publicly thanked him for his service and wished him well for the future. Just some facts regarding the matter. All of these people were monsters and it transpires that it was widespread in British football at the time.
The only club whose fans have a fascination with it are Rangers fans. ALL other fans are horrified, regardless of where it happened.
I grew up in a town called Corby in the middle of England but their was a lot of people from Glasgow their for work. I remember at school the first thing you would ask someone you didn't know is," are you protestant or Catholics, the schools in Corby where either protestant or Catholic and we use to fight each other and I thought this was normal until I moved to a different town 20 miles from Corby when I was 15 where none of this happened. When I first started school in 1973 I remember going home on the bus singing, we beat the Catholics and anyone who knows their history will know just how disgusting that was at that time but we didn't know we were only 5 years old but someone started singing it so we all just joined in it must have come from one of the parents.
I'm from Belfast but spent couple of years in Corby as a child for some reason I had relatives from Corby 😊
Rule Britannia from Glasgow WATP 😎 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 👍
Irish fella here..went to a Celtic v Dunfermline game with my dad as a kid…we had our Celtic jerseys on in hotel morning of the game..sitting having breakfast and we were told to cover up our jerseys in case rival fans saw us. Crazy..stuff
I have to point out. 5 mins into the video I already have to point out to Americans that Britain isn't just England
The sport isn't the religion.
The rivalry and hatred of one another is the religion.
The game comes second.
You don't get a Glasgow smile on purpose. Usually happens when you meet Stanley (Stanley knife)
Im a Celtic man but my family is split right down the middle i had 1 grandparent who was a soldier in the ira back in the 1930's and my grampa who was a grand master in the orange lodge, ive got many many friends who support Rangers and we have our banter yes there's the odd argument usually on old firm day but we're all still mates at the end of the day but i think the best way i can sum up the impact of Scottish football is with my Mexican friend who only came to Scotland for University and fell in love with Celtic and the whole Scottish culture, hes just finished his PHD and has no intentions of moving out of Scotland because this is his home now
PLEASE... you say the "s" like its a "z" in Glasgow......PLEASE!!!
I find it hilarious when Celtic supporters call us smelly B*******!
Just a quick reminder, the independent newspaper (and others) ran a story in 2015 and the headline was "Smelly Celtic fan leads club to issue letter to supporters 'reminding them to wash'"... pot 'n' kettle comes to mind!
Slight correction at 36 mins, I've never heard of anyone getting a Glasgow smile done out of choice to show allegiance to a gang. It's almost always where somebody has been attacked by an opposing gang, and occasionally punishment by your own gang for doing something you shouldn't have done (usually snitching)
yeah there are a few documentaries about scotlands knife culture they could probably do videos on
Never heard of a Glasgow Smile though the Chelsea Smile is well known 🤷🏻♂️
Well trust me ur wrong I’m from the east end and a Celtic man seen it happen myself been stabbed coz of it all so it happens always has always will
It is fake !! Ur either a 100% bigot or ur not ! 90minute bigot ISNT a thing we’re brought up to hate each other and the more the other mob does the more u hate them !
@brownwarrior6867 there was a documentary i watched somewhere and it says about the chelsea headhunters adopting the Glasgow smile and using the names as both the chelsea smile and the chelsea grin but the Glasgow smile is the original name.
The Glasgow smile isn’t a sign showing you’re in a gang, it’s what gangs will do to members of rival gangs as an attack
The history of the rangers wouldn't take long.
As a Celtic fan iv never had any bother with rangers fans we just have a banter, my family are Celtic and rangers so all have banter! 🍀🍀
39:15 who would have know in 10 years it would be Celtic fan attacking old Neil. 48:32 ironic because Celtic had to right letter to there season ticket holder to tell them to shower before games in 2015
The clip of Lennon getting attacked by the fan is very misleading. As this documentary is about the old firm. The guy that attacked Lennon was at tynecastle and the guy was a hearts fan.
there has always been a bit of a misunderstanding around this rivalry.
1. Celtic are not "the Catholic club". Rangers were the anti-catholic club, the blacklisted catholics for decades, while many of Celtic's best players ana managers were protestant (as Celtic were always a non denominational club open to all).
2. The split is more left wing / right wing nowadays (like everywhere, sadly). Celtic attract the left wing catholics and protestants and Rangers attract the right wing, which explains the switch in fortunes.
3. The best comparison for you guys is the Eagles/Cowboys rivalry. Similar hate levels. One team is the "establishment team" "America's team/ Britain's team" and the other is the team of the people, set up by working class Irish immigrants. Rangers and Dallas were super clubs before a collapse in the mid ninetys for both teams. Then financial scrutiny came in and both establishment teams collapsed and the people's teams thrived
Talkin absolute shite mate.
Grew up a Celtic fan (not much into football now) and living in bridgeton which is predominantly a “loyalist” area. I remember my parents were wary about me moving there but it’s a decent wee area and not nearly as bad as it was 20-30 years ago
I grew up in the 90's and sectarianism was extremely rife from all angles. I am actually very proud of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Ireland for eradicating about 90% of sectarianism since the Governments and Police really started clamping down on such behaviours with new laws introduced. I have seen a massive difference over the years since they banned all sectarian songs at Football grounds. Each Country has done their bit and a new generation of children grew up and were not taught bigoted or sectarian behaviours. Each Country feels a little bit safer nowadays. People really can change, I have seen it for myself.
Abdul is a joke figure used by rangers fans and a figure of fun and ridicule by Celtic fans,I honestly think there's no merit in having him in this doc
There’s another good documentary about the old firm called Scotland’s secret shame definitely worth a watch
@@missyyoutube7145 think you’re in the tiny minority with them thoughts 😂 and the documentary shows a true reflection of Glasgow and the old firm only last season a rangers fan was hit with a bottle in Celtic park and the Celtic team doctor was hit with a bottle inside ibrox
@@missyyoutube7145I’ve never been described as a Ned before in my life that actually made me laugh 😂 if Glasgow isn’t as bad as the documentary makes out you’ll have no problem going to the 12th wearing a Celtic top and just so you know I’m a rangers fan I hate everything to do with Celtic from the club covering up a Paedophile ring till their fans not washing
@@user-fh5kq8mp7jand including your own club covering up Neilly and Dunn. You glorify paedos every time you win fuckall which is extremely often these days.
As a rangers fan I hate all connections to Ireland. It's a Scottish club. Glasgow club that has massive support globally. I believe the religious aspect is historic and would be less if Scottish Celtic fans support Scotland first. Also rangers fans ignore the northern Ireland history. Scottish not irish.The songs are learned young and are songs that bond people. But they are songs... Not beliefs. I 100% want the old firm to be known as Scottish and nothing else. I believe the religious trouble has been brought from Ireland and it's both clubs shame that they have not distanced themselves from it. They both continue to pander to the very loud minority.
You guys would be fine at the game, as you said you've no dog in the fight. Plenty of fans of other clubs have experienced old firm games and lived to tell the tale! You would actually be treated with open arms if anything!
haha touchy subject lads, everyone brought up to hate each other...right on the glorious 12th of July to 🇬🇧
There's no way I would take kids to watch an old firm match.
You really need to go to one of those games to understand the
intensely hostile atmosphere.
The hatred is extremely over exaggerated by the media, me and my Celtic supporting friends make jokes about it and we will sing the songs but at the end of the day we don’t HATE each other
I am German, but i am part of the punk scene in Scotland. Most punks including myself tend towards the Bhoys in Green as they are left-wing, and make a point of being welcoming to refugees/LGBT etc, although one guy I know from a great band called endless Swarm is a rangers fan, and he and a mix of Rangers and Celtic fans come together to raise donations for food banks and stuff like that. That Rangers fan himself sold me a Celtic Anti-Fascist shirt from his Celtic mate's stall, so there is unity in some corners, and more division in others.
im a Celtic Fan and you got to stop calling us Celtic's its just Celtic.
Just imagine The Bloods and Crips had a football match.
The Crips would have better footwork....
Loving these longer documentary videos, thanks guys.
I've watched the first 5 minutes an it reminds me of this African comedian who said 'The British aren't racist, they say ohh your from Africa that's cool at least your not from Manchester, we are so busy hating each other that we forget to hate the rest of the world, so funny because it's true, as a scouser I'd rather have foreign neighbours than manc neighbours. I hope you make it to your 100k subs soon you deserve it ETS is a great channel xx
Weird because i'm a manc and i'd rather have english people as my neighbours, which the scousers are
There is no old firm. The old firm rivalry ended in 2012 when the old rangers died.
We now have a rivalry with sevco5088 who bought the old liquidated clubs history and trophies. sevco5088 then changed the name to the rangers international football club but still they claim its the same club😂
This game is now known as the Glasgow derby.
These are the facts and easily checkable.
While working in a pub in Luxembourg I had three days of Rangers fan who were playing a European game. A Sporting Lisbon fan wearing their green and white shirt made the mistake of riding his bicycle nearby. He was hit by several bottles, the others missed!
Hey guys I recommend you watch once upon a time in northern ireland. Get on it
My cousins were from Philly and took their 3 kids to ibrox.
My brothers in law and 9 nieces and nephews also attended. All of whom married people of opposite religion.
Glasgow Celtic = Peado FC . . . Court case incoming
This one is pretty soft. You should do the BBC Panorama documentary on the Old Firm.
People from outside Europe don't seem to realise its not a religious thing, it's Catholic vs Protestant, but its more of an Ethnic divide than a divide based on scripture or teachings. Its very similar to the divide between Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks.
Not really, since Catholics faced open discrimination in Scotland. So it has roots in religion, but of course most fans on both sides nowadays are probably not very religious themselves. Rangers had no Catholic players until the late 1980s.
@@mikemurray2027 oh absolutely back in the day it was, but even then I don't know to what extent it was actually about scripture and not just wanting to beat up the foreigners. Going to a Catholic school I know for a fact the amount of people that hated the rangers for nationalist issues (supporting the IRA over the RUC or UDA/UVF) defos outnumbered the people who gave a shit about God. Rangers not signing players is due to them being ran by a bunch of shadowy freemasons.
Lot of links between sides in the UK too. Celtic and Liverpool very friendly. Rangers friendly with Chelsea-West Ham-Sheffield Wednesday
And Millwall
And Linfield
Rangers died in 2012. Never let them forget 🇮🇪🍀
excuse my ignorance, if rangers died in 2012 whose the club still playin
@@lesleypithie6227 They are the ones who emerged from the bankruptcy mentioned in the video and being packed off to the lower divisions for not paying their taxes to the Crown (who they are supposedly loyal to). They are now referred to as Zombies!
@lesleypithie6227 Charles Green bought the assets of a football club and called it the rangers fc. All old players contracts were null and void hence why most of them left but some signed new contracts with new club and this new club had to apply to get into the Scottish football league and be parachuted straight into top league which was rightly laughed out the park and so they had to start from the 4th tier of scottish football and work their way up like any other new team would do.
That is a short version of what happened.
Separate pubs for different footbal teams is not unique to Glasgow.
In my hometown of Bristol we have 'city' pubs and 'rovers' pubs.
It's like that up and down the Island.
The city/rovers rivalry of Bristol is particularly fierce with regular episodes of violence whenever they play each other.
My mate did a few years of bird for burning down the rovers stadium a couple of decades ago.
He's city 😂
It's like that in all of europe. Rival fans don't mix on match day.
@@JimmyS.25no shit Sherlock 😂
Bristol is hardly Belgrade now is it 🙄
bristol LMFAO
All clubs have rivalries,but in Glasgow it's way,way deeper and more serious,how can you even compare,go up there and see
ufff.... in the nineties i had a exchange student week staying at kibbleschool in paysley.
that game was being played that weekend, and while we drove in the main road through glasgow , there were bridges along the whole road. and every bridge there were groups having battles on those bridges, with sticks, chains, etc.
it is truly warfare between the city blocks. through the whole city..
This was interesting seeing you guys react to this. 90 minute bigot sums the city up. 50% of marriages in Glasgow are between the two sides. I'm a Rangers fan, my Dad supports them, my grandad supported them and my great graddad supported them. I love Rangers, but my best mate is a Celtic fan and I love the guy, I went to the funeral of his Dad who I also loved a couple of weeks ago. Yes, it's rivalry, yes it is intense, but lots of us love people from the other side, but for 90 minutes we kinda hate each other. One thing I will say is Rangers have had about 15 USA players for us and Celtic fans during a game after 9/11 did airplane motions to Reyna after 9/11
Some Celtic fans the mirror image of some Rangers fans .
Liked that comment up until you tried to point score at the end and fling some mud .
@@tbonemccabe4203 Hey, I may love my friend and his Dad RIP, but I'm still a Rangers fan and as a Rangers fan I hate Celtic, as you rightly hate us. What do you expect? Haha
It was 1 clown who was condemned instantly.
@@wonjubhoy 1 clown? Really? How many Americans have played for Celtic? How many for Rangers? Rangers have had about 12 American players, Celtic zero
Celtic fan here from Glasgow. I met a great guy called jackson from atlanta Georgia at a celtic game it was his first time being in Scotland and i can promise you he had the best time ever he was welcomed by every fan 🏴🇺🇲🇮🇪
Interesting topic. Im a footy fan who enjoyed watching Rangers over 20 yrs ago, so not a hardcore fan. Years later i met my brother in oaw who is Irish catholic and a solid celtic fan. Things have been interesting eve since!
Not sure uf anyone else explained that around 2011 Rangers had their financial issues. This meant they got sent to the lowest division in the League system and had to work their way back up over a few years. The best part was winning the league again after years in time to stop celtic getting the record for consecutive title wins.😂
As u know by now its Celtic and not Celtics. Pretty brave if you to pick a side though in relation to your fanbase future!
Seltics …. U mean..?
Something that was incredible when Rangers got demoted to the Third Division was that the stadium (50,000) still sold out for every game.
Rangers fans are, without doubt, the most loyal in the world.
They actually died, not demoted😂
You should see the film Green Street. It higlights the infamous West Ham and Millwall rivalry. Its from an American characters perspective so itd be perfect
There is NO OLD FIRM it is Glasgow derby now rangers died in 2012 now sevco ,
The lack of quality Rangers songs in this video is appalling. Up the Gers.
Jimmy Saville was a massive Celtic fan
Prince Andrew is a rangers fan
Celtic v Rangers is definately the oldest club football derby, this is why it's called 'The Old Firm'.
Celtic fans should go back to Ireland and Rangers fans should go back to England and give the Scots some f*****g piece.
Btw. The guy that said celtic fans go abroad and make friends has never been abroad with celtic. They are Britains shame.
Celtic fans are welcomed wherever we go because we party and have a good time. 'The Rangers' fans are referred to as Huns because like the ancient barbarians they devastate cities across Europe including after winning a final in Barcelona in 1972 (I mean who riots after winning?). The English press in the 70's coined the term to describe this unruly behaviour calling them “a band of marauding huns”. Unlike Fenians and Taigs it is not a sectarian slur and OFCOM referred to it as of limited offensiveness. Celtic fans have used it since to refer to Rangers supporters (and the British army who destroyed the centre of Dublin in the War of Independence). 'The Rangers' fans also rioted in Manchester during another European final causing damage and after their most recent league win wrecked the city centre in Glasgow as they fought amongst themselves. That is the difference between our attitudes - we come for a party and 'The Rangers' come for a fight as they have a chip on their shoulder that 'no one likes us everybody hates us.'
@@cb745 keep lying to yourself.
You have to think about the troubles in more recent times too and the impact the republicans/loyalist feuding and police and army impact had on families. This would inevitably ingrain some form of at a minimum distance up to hatred understandably due to what families and the community and then connections went through. This all travels through support and through time gets worse. It’s not just the old history it’s constantly in the everyday lives of people. From marching season behaviour nothing being done about the offensive behaviour at them but the fans are being targeted by the government based on the idiots at games that take it too far. Abdul saying calling opponents fans paedophiles is banter is ridiculous. How would anyone react if someone called them a paedophile in day to day life it’s disgusting that’s not banter. Minorities of both sides fans behave inappropriately and deserve calling out. Overall the singing at games to a point adds to the atmosphere but at times is taken too far.
celtic fan my self here but this derby isn't the same anymore with the reduced away ticket allocation. but another derby in the spfl which is the edinburgh derby which in my opinion is became a better derby still with prods and catholics. love the vids
Mon the Jambos!!
Mate yer having a laugh absolutely no cunt hinks hibs n hearts derby is a better aptmosphere or even derby than The old firm even hibs n hearts wid never try claim that ya nugget there’s not a chance u support Celtic wae patter like that even wee the ticket allocation there is more noise and aptmosphere than the Edinburgh derby and the games always a better standard anaw so What other reasons could you possibly think the Edinburgh derby being better ?
After that rangers went to the bottom division and took 10 years to work there back to the top and win there 55 title to stop Celtic winning the coveted 10 league titles in a row thank f#%k.
They'll never sing 10 in a row 🎶 🤣 #55🏆 🇬🇧
RIP Terry Munro 😂
@@Ngjack90 23 trophies in 12 years son, your record is dying just like you let your club die 😂
@@mrade5321you need to explain the context 😂
@@ajorngjdonaydbr A 10 year free hit and you's are still in our shadow. Oh, pacific shelf. Remember that, when your club died?
I was a Rangers fan once upon a time when I could afford to go to the games. ( I can’t stand watching football on the tv ) The average fan take it all in good spirit and don’t allow the religious side of things or even the old rivalry between the teams to go any further than some mild jesting. In my opinion it is two particular groups among the fans that cause the problems and keep this nonsense going. The Blue Order and The Green Brigade. Football is supposed to be The Beautiful Game. The actions these groups represent and take part in have no place in the game. It honestly saddens me to see and hear about the violence this rivalry causes. The Scottish Sun reported back in 2017 that domestic abuse increased 27% when the Old Firm played compared to a normal weekend. Things like that honestly make me glad I no longer follow football.
What have the green brigade done that makes you paint them as this terrible group of people? I'm only asking because I'm sure you wouldn't go online and make a statement in that way without specific examples, so what are those examples?
@@roguerebel6297 Simple google searches will suffice to show you all you need to know mate. Know idea how you can defend them.
@@willnestor6422 Google? 🤦♀️🤣
@@roguerebel6297We could start with the banners they so proudly display showing hate towards the country, the monarchy, political figures.... Or maybe the effigies they 'hung' with Rangers scarves on World Suicide Prevention Day... Or perhaps the booing during Remembrance Day minute silences and the banners they display about remembering our men and women who fought for the freedoms they currently enjoy??!! I could go on! I would also like to add that The Blue Order aren't much better but in no way are The Green Brigade due a free pass!
@@roguerebel6297 for starters there’s the typical hooligan behaviour that’s seen from both sides, there’s plenty of trouble caused in the streets, fights being started, windows on building a and vehicles caved in. People being attacked just for wearing the other sides colours. An example that’s stuck with me since I was a kid was one I had seen on the front page of the paper, it was either the Scottish Sun or the Daily Record. A young boy wearing a rangers strip had attacked a grown man unprovoked with a claw hammer and he was hospitalised with injuries to his head and face. My company has a workshop right beside ibrox stadium and it’s not uncommon to hear of someone being beaten up after an old firm game.
Chesterfield v Mansfield, absolute hate
Celtic is the name
peados is the game
@@jamestoniand huns point scoring child abuse just to wind up their rivals. How sad
@@ajorngjdonaydbr how is it sad, celtic covered it up, the chickens are coming home to roost.
Everyone wants justice of course, but to always remind us about it when we have no control over it, were just fans like everybody else, that enjoy the success of the team on the pitch,
@@jamestoni is that why tax records show they were never employed directly by celtic and had no influence at the club? But yes, don't let facts get in the way of your BS son. You couldn't even name a victim unless you googled it first. Shows how low you monsters are.
In Glasgow, the reported incidences of domestic abuse always spikes after old-firm darbies. This stuff is no joke.
+ the religious element is just an excuse to pin the hatred on. As with all hatred, there is no real reason/logic to this nonsense.
Ibrox is on the southside of Glasgow, not the west.
I lived in Glasgow for 4 years. It is very much a hotbed for sectarian hatred. It would be pathetic, if it weren't so dangerous.
These chats are not a 'hot topic', it's racist bigotry. It wouldn't be acceptable in other circumstances, therefore it's not acceptable in this either.
Rangers still alive and going strong 55 league titles 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Brilliant. A new Ranger's fan!
I have a feeling we may have two.😂❤
Mon the Rangers 💙 respect to all though.
Spencer wouldnt worry bout this bus driver. This standard and fans always do a whip round for driver at the end. 50 people on the bus and most will put in at least £5 each for drivers trouble
You chose the right team - No Surrender 🇬🇧
You surrendered in 2012.
@@imposs-up1hg your morals surrender every time you see a wee boy
@@stevestewart5172 Project much?
@@stevestewart5172why you talking about wee boys?