As a light tank enjoyer I would say that the Manticore is a tank most “average” players should avoid unless they want to really learn how to play light tanks. An average Manticore player nearly always puts their team at a huge disadvantage when matched against even a “good” player in a Manticore. In fact this is pretty much true for the entire class. Lights are incredibly fun to play if you embrace the game play they require for success and can tune out the whining in the in game chat, but pretty damn frustrating and almost never impactful in a positive way otherwise
i think there should be a "dumpster fire but fun" tier for thanks that are REALLY bad if you want to be consistent or competitive, but can be VERY fun on the odd occasion
Most accurate phrase ever: "WOT is a game and play it to have fun". Amen. No need for players to get frustrated and toxic. My personal favorite are: Heavy - S Conq; TD - T110E3; Med - STB-1.
Congrats for surpassing 700 mark! :) great idea for the video. my suggestion would be to put names on the tanks. Even you're not certain which is which :D As a beginner and a proud owner of K-91, I need to say it's a great tank to play. It's got great mobility. Ultra fast shells make it really easy to snipe. reload below 5s makes it fell like it's got an autoloader. I really enjoy it.
@@nojoojuu its not only about the tank, we re considering an average player skill level, so E5 an ok choice, at the best, Ho-ri 3 ok choice, BC 25T, PZ VII, CS63 and STB, i would stay away
@@jefersongalvao8838 Agree totally! Skill level has huge impact, more in some tanks than others. KV-5 is called "idiot proof" tank by some, and Leo 1 is thought to have highest skill cap in WoT. Even a good gun is useless if casual player can't use its potential. I'm casual player, 13 years worth of learning, I only play few times per month now. I play for fun and this game is not for that. Grinding, stats and more tanks, and if some tanks are getting too much fun, WG nerfs them. Sad but true. Thanks for the reply.
I once played a lot of td's. the game changed and they nurfed (SP) sniping spots just like arty damage and lights with commander vision. It is hard to have fun within WOT!
I think 1 of the reasonsthe 279 is ok to deal with noe because more mediocre players like me managed to grind it after like 3-4 jears of grinding the bounve mission also the release of patton the tank essentially gifted everyone the ace mission for the americans
I find the WZ113G FT is a great TD - way better than the Obj 268 and yeah, it really needs a buff. I love the Rinoceronte too. Not a great tank by any means, but you can have some great game trolling players on ridge lines.
268 dumpster?😂good camo,speed,ammunition,alpha..this tank dont need any buff ...wtf would u buff on this one? + how is cs good pick for avg player tank have 0 armor lol
Jagdpanzer is the best thing i've chose to grind. Entire tech tree after Hetzer is insufferable because Hetzer is well armoured and deals devastating damage then you get to Stug and Jgpz IV which are less dmg + paper and then you get to the most deceiving piece of s- being the Jpanther. It looks big, strong, sloped af, DOMINANT yet what you thought was a hetzer in a tier 7 is actually the biggest piece of dogsh- because what Hetzer has is an invincible upper plate. Then comes the GOAT, JPanther II. Actually has armor on superstructure. A reliable one too! Then comes the Jagtiger.... it says assault TD but the hull is a joke. Superstructure only blocks AP. Gun is godly. Hp pool is godly. Speed degradation after the JPanther II.... abysmal. But then, just as you were hopeless, you finally get to the heavily sloped almighty german trapezoid box railgun. Its armor actually HOLDS UP, even against heats. You CAN angle and be REWARDED for it. Your gun? A tier X Hetzer. Speed? Is slow but feels.... natural unlike the Jagdtiger so Jagdpanzer actually doesn't feel slow. It feels just right. I 2 marked it and do 3k dpg at least now. 4k is almost a standard now hahaha. 8,2k dmg record, 7k block record, got 2 natural cool-headed medals (not gained by tesak but by actual gold spamming tanks). This tank also has the best spaced armor on the side which you'll fall in love with! Yes, im an older player b4 when Hetzer and JPanther II were in the tech tree. As of why i said the JPanther is garbage its because its deceiving by the looks and isnt beginner friendly at all. If u want beginner friendly go for the Badger line. Rn as im properly introduced to the game for a while, one day my lazy broke ass will grind the credits and rebuy the whole tech tree to give justice to the tanks i was shit in lmao. Just for this line. Most excited about JPanther II and Jagdtiger. Jagdtiger makes you break the pc cause the gun is GREAT its just the damn hull.
@@durachoks "competitive tier list". Also, he said wn8's below 1600 and someone with ~1500 wn8 can definitely play e5. E5 shouldn't be "avoid" but "okay" imho. Same with 60tp which should be superior as an easy tank with the second highest damage expectations.
@@durachoksBasically to be ranked "superior" here with anything apart from lights, the criteria is just "Has armor and preferably speed". When I was sub 1600 I was better with meds and lights than with heavies overall. TVP T50/51 had and has my highest dpg out of all my tier 10's, when I was sub 1600 too. It's ranked "avoid" here, however.
Hard to say. Sometimes there are tanks that just work and are comfotable to play and then tanks that are harder to play to their strenghts, but when you adopt, they are better - for example I think STB is fine, then we have UDES that is hard - it's not efficient at sniping with slow HEATs and inaccurate gun, it's easy to overexpose lower plate, but when you get used to it, you can improve and then it's a better tank despite initial feelings. E5 is kind of the same, playstyle is very different from hulldown T29 and T32. I don't have many tier 10 tanks, for me best are 121 - i just don't know why, E5, Manticore maybe buffed CentAX and Leopard. And maybe still Kran. Below is Vickers (don't ask why it does not work, when Leopard does), UDES, STB.Below that is E50M, Patton and Batchat, cause I consider BC very hard to play consistently on different maps. And tanks that do not work for me are WZ5A, 60TP, E100,Obj140,amx13105,T100LT, CS63 and trash is T62. I feel like light tank, with exception of Manticore and ELC which can outspot anything and are small and hard to hit are basically trash mediums with low hitpoints and I basically gave up playing them, despite it used to be my favorite category. But their balance is broken and game play is a gamble esp. when they are EBRs too.
When I think about Vickers, it has better gun than Leopard, but somehow I feel focused by everybody and searched/tracked across the map even by fast tier 8 tanks as something that can be easily penned and killed, maybe because I played it when it was new and people played counters to paper tanks. I never had that feeling in Leopard. Also Leopard is better at farming late game damage due to speed, this one is not that fast and it feels like everything has autoloader, 750 alpha, armor or combination, this tank has only great gun on average platform, but it can't do anything beyond pure support role.
The Grille 15 used to be a good tank... before WG started removing all the natural cover that it and every other TD could use in favour of speeding up the already 4 minute matches.
Almost closed the video after E5 was put in stay away. Unless you are trying to keep such great tank all for yourself :-D Also its way beter for randoms than onlsuaght
In defense of Grille 15: It is a very good TD, and an incredibly easy TD. However "player consensus" as I like to call it, kills it. Rules to follow: 1) stay out of range. 2) lead targets by aiming ahead then shooting, dont shoot while moving the gun. 3) in almost no situation should you be using gold rounds, theyll make you miss, and theyll make you bounce. Follow those rules and most games you can drive for 30s and then play with one hand, and suddenly average 4500+ dmg.
I really don't get the point of playing tier 10 as an average player. Literally everyone is spamming gold forcing you to spam gold too in order to simply avoid dying in the first minute. An you lose a lot of credits. I am an average player too, with a constant WR of 53-55% and my favourite tiers to play in are 6, 8 and 9. Those three are far more comfortable and enjoyable. But to respect the theme of the video, the tier 10s I had thrle best time playing with are: 60TP, IS-7, Obj 140, M48 Patton, M60, S Conq, Leopard 1 and JgPzE100.
opportunist "light" tank that sucks at scouting and can only be useful damage wise in short-mid ranges, yet takes like 4 seconds to deal all its damage
I think you meant to put obj277 in great or superior based on earlier comments in the video? Maybe I missed when you moved it. I have a buddy completely new to wot at t95 and having a blast despite having very few battles. That line lets you play like tier 4 (Park in front and shoot) and still have fun. He did feedback that he's getting bored and wants a turret.
Honestly can't understand the hype for the T110-E3. This tank seems to perform for everybody except me. It has a horrible gun, highly inaccurate (IRL), it's too slow and is easily penned unless full hull down. You get side-shot, circled, tracked and shot etc. I may be alone (am I?). The E4 is better in most cases, and more fun to play (IMO).
@@Weedle-vr1hr Sure, you will find better spots, thus improve. But overall this tank does just not perform and the reason being the armor not holding up in most cases. It's so bad that it's one of the only tanks I regularly check the pen mod after every game to see where I got penned and it's surprising. It is badly armored against anything but standard (and even then TDs will melt you). Sure there is the armored turret, but this is only from the front and even there the cupola seems to be an easy pen for everybody. But the most frustrating thing is the lack of side armor. Since you are so slow and can't maneuver well, you get shot from the side more often than in most other TDs. E.g., it can't angle like the Jpz100. And the gun, holy shit, this thing is trash no question about it. 870m standard are crap and the sigma factor may as well be the worst of any gun out there. This tank misses fully aimed shots all the time. Personally, I can't see this tank being that high and most gameplay I see of others performing well in it are when they are second to third line hull-down most of the time (until the late game). Sure you can snipe with every tank for good results (mostly depending on the MM). But for me, that's not how to play an armored TD like this but it just gets melted otherwise.
@@sunykamey4542 Badger would be a way better choice for an average player, faster than E3, godlike gun handling, huge dpm, fast reload, gun depression, almost invulnerable on hull down(theres only a few tanks that can pen it, being jgpz. e100 the only able to do that reliably) and the grind is way more enjoyable, since it has very good tanks on the tech tree
@@jefersongalvao8838as a jgpz e 100 player, a badger once traded with me....twice. Apparently didn't see the gold button decal i have on my upper plate and the fact i already penned him once. He was full hp and was left with around 50hp and got sharted by an arty shortly after. Funniest shit i've ever seen in a long time lmao.
@@jefersongalvao8838 That's what I think too. Since the nerf to the E3 it just is too slow, too low viewrange and this is not compensated by the armor (IMO). But preference, i guess. Just couldn't make out the rave about the e3 everywhere.
I think you're absolutely spot on with the change to hull down slap-fest meta making otherwise fun tanks less rewarding. Sad really. Who doesn't like playing in the bushes from time to time?? 😅😂😢
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As a light tank enjoyer I would say that the Manticore is a tank most “average” players should avoid unless they want to really learn how to play light tanks. An average Manticore player nearly always puts their team at a huge disadvantage when matched against even a “good” player in a Manticore. In fact this is pretty much true for the entire class. Lights are incredibly fun to play if you embrace the game play they require for success and can tune out the whining in the in game chat, but pretty damn frustrating and almost never impactful in a positive way otherwise
out of all the weird choices of this tier list, putting leo as "I'd stay away from" is the weirdest one ngl
i think there should be a "dumpster fire but fun" tier for thanks that are REALLY bad if you want to be consistent or competitive, but can be VERY fun on the odd occasion
that would be interesting
Average player makes average player tier list 😱
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Most accurate phrase ever: "WOT is a game and play it to have fun". Amen. No need for players to get frustrated and toxic. My personal favorite are: Heavy - S Conq; TD - T110E3; Med - STB-1.
Foch 155 is very underrated
Congrats for surpassing 700 mark! :)
great idea for the video. my suggestion would be to put names on the tanks. Even you're not certain which is which :D
As a beginner and a proud owner of K-91, I need to say it's a great tank to play. It's got great mobility. Ultra fast shells make it really easy to snipe. reload below 5s makes it fell like it's got an autoloader. I really enjoy it.
Thanks, yea the K91 is a good tank. It is challenging but in a good way
"We're here to have fun guys !"
Indeed !
would love to see a similar ranked list for tier 8 credit grinders
Superior:
T110E5
Manticore
Chieftain
S Conqueror
Ho-Ri 3
Obj. 260
IS 7
Obj. 430U
VK 72.01 K
Great:
T57 Heavy
B-C 25t
AMX M4 54
Pz.Kpfw. VII
Centurion AX
Lion
Minotauro
STB-1
60 TP
CS-63
T-100 LT
Obj. 907
Kpz. 07 P(E)
The rest: Try them out.
@@nojoojuu its not only about the tank, we re considering an average player skill level, so E5 an ok choice, at the best, Ho-ri 3 ok choice, BC 25T, PZ VII, CS63 and STB, i would stay away
@@jefersongalvao8838 Agree totally! Skill level has huge impact, more in some tanks than others. KV-5 is called "idiot proof" tank by some, and Leo 1 is thought to have highest skill cap in WoT. Even a good gun is useless if casual player can't use its potential. I'm casual player, 13 years worth of learning, I only play few times per month now. I play for fun and this game is not for that. Grinding, stats and more tanks, and if some tanks are getting too much fun, WG nerfs them. Sad but true. Thanks for the reply.
I once played a lot of td's. the game changed and they nurfed (SP) sniping spots just like arty damage and lights with commander vision. It is hard to have fun within WOT!
Yea sniping TD's are in a rough spot. Personally I don't miss arty being good, but it sucks for people who enjoyed playing it.
good. people dont like bush wankers.
Appreciate content for an average player. Not everyone are a sweaty tryhard in WOT.
excellent. I'm just venturing into Tier 10 so now I have a few ideas cheers fella.
Nice, do you have a list for tier 9's and 8's?
I would greatly appreciate the same list for tier IX. Thx
I think 1 of the reasonsthe 279 is ok to deal with noe because more mediocre players like me managed to grind it after like 3-4 jears of grinding the bounve mission also the release of patton the tank essentially gifted everyone the ace mission for the americans
Looks like the last two on the list are the Chieftain Mark 6 and the T22 medium.
I find the WZ113G FT is a great TD - way better than the Obj 268 and yeah, it really needs a buff.
I love the Rinoceronte too. Not a great tank by any means, but you can have some great game trolling players on ridge lines.
average 1000wn8 player
Thank you.
268 dumpster?😂good camo,speed,ammunition,alpha..this tank dont need any buff ...wtf would u buff on this one? + how is cs good pick for avg player tank have 0 armor lol
Jagdpanzer is the best thing i've chose to grind. Entire tech tree after Hetzer is insufferable because Hetzer is well armoured and deals devastating damage then you get to Stug and Jgpz IV which are less dmg + paper and then you get to the most deceiving piece of s- being the Jpanther. It looks big, strong, sloped af, DOMINANT yet what you thought was a hetzer in a tier 7 is actually the biggest piece of dogsh- because what Hetzer has is an invincible upper plate. Then comes the GOAT, JPanther II. Actually has armor on superstructure. A reliable one too! Then comes the Jagtiger.... it says assault TD but the hull is a joke. Superstructure only blocks AP. Gun is godly. Hp pool is godly. Speed degradation after the JPanther II.... abysmal. But then, just as you were hopeless, you finally get to the heavily sloped almighty german trapezoid box railgun. Its armor actually HOLDS UP, even against heats. You CAN angle and be REWARDED for it. Your gun? A tier X Hetzer. Speed? Is slow but feels.... natural unlike the Jagdtiger so Jagdpanzer actually doesn't feel slow. It feels just right. I 2 marked it and do 3k dpg at least now. 4k is almost a standard now hahaha. 8,2k dmg record, 7k block record, got 2 natural cool-headed medals (not gained by tesak but by actual gold spamming tanks). This tank also has the best spaced armor on the side which you'll fall in love with!
Yes, im an older player b4 when Hetzer and JPanther II were in the tech tree. As of why i said the JPanther is garbage its because its deceiving by the looks and isnt beginner friendly at all. If u want beginner friendly go for the Badger line. Rn as im properly introduced to the game for a while, one day my lazy broke ass will grind the credits and rebuy the whole tech tree to give justice to the tanks i was shit in lmao. Just for this line. Most excited about JPanther II and Jagdtiger. Jagdtiger makes you break the pc cause the gun is GREAT its just the damn hull.
T110E5 has the highest damage expectations for MoE. It'd be a definite S tier in competitive tier list
not for average wot tomato
@@durachoks "competitive tier list". Also, he said wn8's below 1600 and someone with ~1500 wn8 can definitely play e5. E5 shouldn't be "avoid" but "okay" imho. Same with 60tp which should be superior as an easy tank with the second highest damage expectations.
@@durachoksBasically to be ranked "superior" here with anything apart from lights, the criteria is just "Has armor and preferably speed". When I was sub 1600 I was better with meds and lights than with heavies overall. TVP T50/51 had and has my highest dpg out of all my tier 10's, when I was sub 1600 too. It's ranked "avoid" here, however.
Hard to say. Sometimes there are tanks that just work and are comfotable to play and then tanks that are harder to play to their strenghts, but when you adopt, they are better - for example I think STB is fine, then we have UDES that is hard - it's not efficient at sniping with slow HEATs and inaccurate gun, it's easy to overexpose lower plate, but when you get used to it, you can improve and then it's a better tank despite initial feelings. E5 is kind of the same, playstyle is very different from hulldown T29 and T32.
I don't have many tier 10 tanks, for me best are 121 - i just don't know why, E5, Manticore maybe buffed CentAX and Leopard. And maybe still Kran. Below is Vickers (don't ask why it does not work, when Leopard does), UDES, STB.Below that is E50M, Patton and Batchat, cause I consider BC very hard to play consistently on different maps. And tanks that do not work for me are WZ5A, 60TP, E100,Obj140,amx13105,T100LT, CS63 and trash is T62. I feel like light tank, with exception of Manticore and ELC which can outspot anything and are small and hard to hit are basically trash mediums with low hitpoints and I basically gave up playing them, despite it used to be my favorite category. But their balance is broken and game play is a gamble esp. when they are EBRs too.
When I think about Vickers, it has better gun than Leopard, but somehow I feel focused by everybody and searched/tracked across the map even by fast tier 8 tanks as something that can be easily penned and killed, maybe because I played it when it was new and people played counters to paper tanks. I never had that feeling in Leopard. Also Leopard is better at farming late game damage due to speed, this one is not that fast and it feels like everything has autoloader, 750 alpha, armor or combination, this tank has only great gun on average platform, but it can't do anything beyond pure support role.
The Grille 15 used to be a good tank... before WG started removing all the natural cover that it and every other TD could use in favour of speeding up the already 4 minute matches.
I find myself almost never needing bushes in Grille?
If I'm within 445m that's my problem.
Almost closed the video after E5 was put in stay away. Unless you are trying to keep such great tank all for yourself :-D Also its way beter for randoms than onlsuaght
I have more good games than bad in 103B, and I'm old casual player. I loose most of the games, so it might be the reason :)
In defense of Grille 15:
It is a very good TD, and an incredibly easy TD.
However "player consensus" as I like to call it, kills it.
Rules to follow:
1) stay out of range.
2) lead targets by aiming ahead then shooting, dont shoot while moving the gun.
3) in almost no situation should you be using gold rounds, theyll make you miss, and theyll make you bounce.
Follow those rules and most games you can drive for 30s and then play with one hand, and suddenly average 4500+ dmg.
So true. Snapshot is not for Grille 15. And keeping distance, important.
60% winrate? well player with 55% above winrate are hardly average player in WOT just saying~
I really don't get the point of playing tier 10 as an average player. Literally everyone is spamming gold forcing you to spam gold too in order to simply avoid dying in the first minute. An you lose a lot of credits. I am an average player too, with a constant WR of 53-55% and my favourite tiers to play in are 6, 8 and 9. Those three are far more comfortable and enjoyable.
But to respect the theme of the video, the tier 10s I had thrle best time playing with are: 60TP, IS-7, Obj 140, M48 Patton, M60, S Conq, Leopard 1 and JgPzE100.
10's are not for everyone. The game certainly gets more sweaty at Tier 10. It's most important to just have fun cause it's a game.
Hello! Why is the Tesseract in dumpster fire it's good tank :(
opportunist "light" tank that sucks at scouting and can only be useful damage wise in short-mid ranges, yet takes like 4 seconds to deal all its damage
Isn't the 430U and 121 the same tank?
Not at all. I believe they have the same alpha, but the 440u has considerably armor.
I think you meant to put obj277 in great or superior based on earlier comments in the video? Maybe I missed when you moved it.
I have a buddy completely new to wot at t95 and having a blast despite having very few battles. That line lets you play like tier 4 (Park in front and shoot) and still have fun. He did feedback that he's getting bored and wants a turret.
If I missed it the obj 277 is great in my opinion for most players.
Honestly can't understand the hype for the T110-E3. This tank seems to perform for everybody except me. It has a horrible gun, highly inaccurate (IRL), it's too slow and is easily penned unless full hull down. You get side-shot, circled, tracked and shot etc. I may be alone (am I?).
The E4 is better in most cases, and more fun to play (IMO).
The E3 is a bit of a learning curve, but you can definitely get better with it with some practice.
@@Weedle-vr1hr Sure, you will find better spots, thus improve. But overall this tank does just not perform and the reason being the armor not holding up in most cases. It's so bad that it's one of the only tanks I regularly check the pen mod after every game to see where I got penned and it's surprising. It is badly armored against anything but standard (and even then TDs will melt you). Sure there is the armored turret, but this is only from the front and even there the cupola seems to be an easy pen for everybody. But the most frustrating thing is the lack of side armor. Since you are so slow and can't maneuver well, you get shot from the side more often than in most other TDs. E.g., it can't angle like the Jpz100.
And the gun, holy shit, this thing is trash no question about it. 870m standard are crap and the sigma factor may as well be the worst of any gun out there. This tank misses fully aimed shots all the time.
Personally, I can't see this tank being that high and most gameplay I see of others performing well in it are when they are second to third line hull-down most of the time (until the late game). Sure you can snipe with every tank for good results (mostly depending on the MM). But for me, that's not how to play an armored TD like this but it just gets melted otherwise.
@@sunykamey4542 Badger would be a way better choice for an average player, faster than E3, godlike gun handling, huge dpm, fast reload, gun depression, almost invulnerable on hull down(theres only a few tanks that can pen it, being jgpz. e100 the only able to do that reliably) and the grind is way more enjoyable, since it has very good tanks on the tech tree
@@jefersongalvao8838as a jgpz e 100 player, a badger once traded with me....twice. Apparently didn't see the gold button decal i have on my upper plate and the fact i already penned him once. He was full hp and was left with around 50hp and got sharted by an arty shortly after. Funniest shit i've ever seen in a long time lmao.
@@jefersongalvao8838 That's what I think too. Since the nerf to the E3 it just is too slow, too low viewrange and this is not compensated by the armor (IMO). But preference, i guess. Just couldn't make out the rave about the e3 everywhere.
This needs a text list accompanying the pics
I think you're absolutely spot on with the change to hull down slap-fest meta making otherwise fun tanks less rewarding. Sad really. Who doesn't like playing in the bushes from time to time?? 😅😂😢
Coming from someone who actively teaches lower skill players:
Yes:
60TP, T110E3/4/5, Grille 15, Strv 103B, Pz.7, S.Conq, Rinoceronte, Ho-Ri 3, WZ-113G FT, IS-7, Type 5 H, K-91, Vz. 55, Manticore.
No:
All the low armor "try hard" tanks basically. (e.g. Leopard 1)
Reward/Bond/CW Tanks: don't bother.