The Spacing Guild in DUNE 3 | Exploring Their Impact
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Discussing the potential role of the Spacing Guild in the plot of Denis Villeneuve's Dune Part 3 and how a more faithful adaptation of their story in the book could add to the richness and depth of the new DUNE trilogy of films.
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I wanna see a cool version of the navigators, and all sins will be forgiven, that's all 😂Mainly to get Lynch's version out of my head once and for all. Thank you for the video
If you’ve seen arrival then you know Denis will give us a navigator(s)
i like the lynch version, but it would have been much better if the studio didnt take it from him
I don’t envy Villeneuve’s tough choices in adapting the source material, especially what to cut or change. He’s obviously a great fan of the written works. I’ve been happy with his adaptation and think he’ll do Dune messiah and the Guild justice. I think it’s important to remember that the movies can only be adaptations of the source material; it would also be a disservice to Dune if they were essentially just audiobooks with cool visuals. I’d love to see more about the Guild, CHOAM, Landsraad houses, Kaitain, Heighliners and Tleilaxu. But in the end, Dune isn’t about them. It’s about the Atreides and their golden path.
I feel like the guild were staying out of the way as a “neutral party” meanwhile meeting with Mohiam to tell her they need Paul to be killed in the kanly
That would be highway robbery if the third movie doesn't have Edrick in it. Can't wait to see his interpretation of Scytale too. The Tlelaxu are probably the most well described race in Dune honestly.
I don’t know if they could make it without those two, they basically lay all the plans moving into this book
(I haven’t read the first Dune, but I’m about halfway through Messiah)
I know the navigators were in the original movie and that’s obviously a massive difference, but how could they substitute them in this one?
@@tomtripp5417 Edrick is more like a tool but necessary all the same, unless they find some contrived way to subvert Paul's prescience. Also, Denis better include Hayt. We just have to see if a certain _somebody_ is cast in Messiah yet.
@@Twenty-Seven again, Hayt is an integral character. The only way they could move forward is to roll Edrick’s role into a different character, but that would be pretty hard to do i think
The Jihad could not happen without the consent of the Guild. The Fremen warriors couldn't get off Dune without a Guild heighliner. And of course, the only reason the Guild would go along with something as horrible as the jihad is because they knew Paul could cut off spice supply. I'm interested, but a bit worried, about how he introduces the Guild and Bene Tleilax. Or as you said, if he introduces them at all. Another great video.
It would have helped if Denis would have shown the southern Fremen in a significant spice trade with the Spacing Guild.
The Guild Navigators could subvert the Jihad by simply misdirecting a Heighliner transporting jihadists into a star. "Oops sorry, our bad".
@@aliensoup2420 based on the movie, the heighliners seem very old, i dont think they make new ones.. and seems like the guild are not the type of lads that do sacrificing of anything.
This could happen easily. Could open the movie with the jihadists flying up to a guild heighliner and Paul confronting a navigator. Then the guild submits once they realize his threat is genuine. Easily done and an awesome opening to the movie, also the director can show off another cool design like in his other alien movie
@@S-tv1yt he could start with the conspirators meeting. Everyone discussing Paul.
If he introduces the Spacing Guild with the powerful impact he achieved when introducing Feyd Rautha after completely keeping him out of the first movie then we're good. 😌
Dune becomes weird from here on, Face Dancers, gholas, navigators. How he makes this work for the not so nerdy masses will be interesting.
Face Dancers -> Faceless Men
Gholas -> Clone Stormtroopers
I agree and the two films, while very good, downplayed a lot of weird elements. Therefore either they will introduce them and make things very weird, or more likely ignore them to keep the material more accessible
yeah, these "weird" new elements put me off from reading the later books.
@@deleted01comparing gholas to clones from SW is laughable
@@idiot_city5444 your anemic comment is laughable
I get the feeling the guild was downplayed in the first two movies so they can be more up front in Messiah. Dune is a huge universe of information and it would make sense to save some elements for later movies so they can be more easily digested by a general audience.
Yea true, I remember my family seeing the 1984 Dune and because was too much going on, nobody understood the movie.
That's if Villeneuve properly acknowledges that the spacing guild exists.
☝🏽 _THIS!!!!_
He did in part 1. Subtly. So I think when he gives us the navigator in messiah it will feel earned.
@@loganastrup6870so subtly that most people dont remember/care/notice
"I stand before you as Herald of the Change. We're witnessed by members of the Imperial Court, representatives of the Spacing Guild, and a Sister of the Bene Gesserit."
Literally...
I agree with you, a 100% on every front! You have to have a Guild Navigator! Dune Messiah wouldn’t be the same.
I get that people having not read any of the books would miss this key element in the film. The Butlerian Jihad is a vital read. Thanks for discussing this.
The gradual introduction of the different factions of the Dune universe is practical decision, to help the casual movie goer. The added excitement of one the most anticipated players to the film franchise helps build the hype. In the first part it was what the worms will look like and in part two who is playing the Emperor. The third film has to be the Navigators.
I'll believe it when I see it, damnit!!! Not complaining, just whining I didn't get to see them.
Just the video I was waiting for
Thank you, Nerd Cookies.
I have always found the Guild way more interesting then the Sisterhood. The Sisterhood couldn't have there breeding program with the Guild. Dennis had a few times in DUNE PART 1 when he could have mentioned The Guild. When The Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam was talking to The Baron,and when The Baron was in the healing room,saying to sell there spice stock. We will see if we see the formation of the Guild as well as the Sisterhood in the DUNE Series. This will tell if Dennis will have the Guild in the 3rd movie at all.
The Spacing guild is a pivotal member of the imperium without them there would be no travel I wish that he didn't omit them like he for the most part Alia I am not a huge fan of his vision of the book everyone go oh ahh for the special effects there is a lot more to it than that. Some of the movies were really good but I can't remember haven't read the books in years was Chani pissed off for half the book like in the film please help me on this issue. I have them but I'm part blind in one eye so it will take awhile and yes I'm old
Brilliant analysis of what's missing in Villeneuves' Fantastic adaptation of Herbert's original.
Well Done & Brava!
after seeing the first film i would of said yaaaaa :) , but after the second film i'm not holding my breath lol
I haven't watched in a while but I like the more natural cadence of your narration.
I would like to see a Butlerian jihad spin off series and done like maybe Battlestar galactica or space above and beyond
My thought has been that the guild is a secret partner of the Corino line and is forced out of the shadows to protect their addiction. The Spacing Guild has been saved as the Baddie of Dune Messiah
I couldn't agree with you more NC, he better shows the Guild AND A STAGE 3 NAVIGATOR, it's one of the main reasons I am excited for Messiah and the main reasons I will be disappointed if he doesn't.
The problem is that Dune Messiah doesn’t have much happening in it and the film’s ending diverged greatly from the ending of the book, both with Chani and how the Jihad began.
He will obviously show parts of the Jihad for action sequences
I think it would be good if in the third movie they have Ederic narrate a small sequence at the beginning of the film that expresses their motivations and plans, much like how Irulan had a small narration at the beginning of the 2nd film.
If you’re worried we won’t see a navigator then you haven’t seen Arrival nor know how much Denis was/is inspired by Dune since childhood
I was pretty shocked that the guild wasn’t even included when Paul confronts Emperor Shaddam and the rest of consort at the end of Part Two
I agree with their importance to the story, but Denis treated them as interstellar Uber in the first movie and minimized their importance in the second. The great houses showing up in orbit shortly after the battle minimized the vastness of interstellar travel and the importance of the Guild in his version. It's the same problem the Acolyte has, instant interstellar travel doesn't work for story telling.
With both the Spacing Guild and the Mentats to this point in the story being comprised mainly of men [citation needed] would their greater inclusion in the story dilute the more feminine focus of the film series? Also, good to see your work show up in DuneWiki as video essays, Elaine
Another excellent analysis of this extremely challenging material. I am a huge admirer of Villeneuve as a director and believe he is one of the best visual storytellers working today. But I fear he is overmatched in taking on the task of adapting this story into a screenplay. When I first heard that Denis was adapting the Dune saga I was elated. Based on his deft work on Arrival at portraying psychic as well as temporal phenomena in such an elegant way I was sure he was the best director for the job. But I failed to factor that the screenplay was written by Eric Heisserer. On first viewing I was extremely shocked and disappointed in Dune Part II due to the radical omissions and only after seeing the film again did I come to appreciate the feat of pure filmmaking that had been achieved. If Villeneuve can take a page from George Lucas on Empire Strikes Back and let a more seasoned writer grapple with the complexities you've outlined then the final film may not collapse under the weight of spectacle and blunt moralization.
If you notice the spacing guild hands, the white ones look mechanic. I wonder if the mutated navigator floats within and controls it remotely.
I'd hoped the Space Navigatiors appeared before the Emperor's ship entered Arrakis. Just a conversation with a navigator in a thick cloud of spice.
It's a delicate balancing act as non-Dune audiences are already processing Feyd and an unborn talking Alia. It woild be good to establish them early on in Dune Messiah film that the spice must flow for navigatiors
I wouldn't hold my breath. Villeneuve has a fetish for subtlety and minimalism. It works for his original works, but it's detrimental to this kind of stories. So, I'm not expecting to see the navigators at all.
What i like in Villeneuve's adaptation of Dune is that it offers elements of surprises to people who already read the books since some things diverge.
If the events in the Books and in the movies were exactly the same, what's in it for me as someone who already know how it's going to play out?
I don't think Villeneuve has to make up for everything that was left out of part I and II. I feel that, in a way, fans of the books have to forget about the books when watching the movies.
Villeneuve's Dune is not Herbert's Dune, i think he made it pretty clear with the changes he made to Chani's beliefs, other characters like Alia or story bits like Thufir Hawat's disappearance.
Since Villeneuve only intends to adapts some events occuring throughout Dune Messiah, the question then, in my opinion, is : What elements (of the books base lore) should be included or ommitted for this third movie to work in the confines of a trilogy?
I think the Spacing Guild and other parties will make it to Villeneuve's Dune Messiah but i don't expect the movie to dwell deep in other factions à la Game of Thrones. There's probably no time for that in a movie, especially a movie that is supposed to conclude Villeneuve's depiction of Paul's story on screen and where other already known characters have to be developped like Alia, Irulan or reintroduced.
Villeneuve does not seems to be interested in lore for the sake of it and i find that to be a good thing.
We learn things about factions through characters related to them and their actions like the Bene Gesserit through Jessica, Irulan, Lady Margot, etc, the Fremen who believe in the prophecy through Stilgar or Shadout Mapes etc,.
We don't learn much about Mentats because neither Thufir nor Piter attend a Mentat gathering of some sort and because everybody knows what Mentat are. Talking about the ins and outs of Mentats could be an unnecessary lore dump to the viewers. Books have pages to developp that and let the readers process and digest informations.
I feel Villeneuve's Dunes create an interesting dynamic between the books and the movies. It's almost like his movies are a parallel universe of Herbert's Dune where people who read the books (are rewarded for their knowledge) could still pull strings out of them to make theories.
For exemple, we could say that Chani wearing blue in part II is due to the fact that she is grieving Liet Kynes' death. In the books Kynes is her father so we could theorise that this character (a female in the movies) is her mother even though it's never stated that they are related.
For all we know, Thufir Hawat might be dead or might still be alive. Imagine if he were to reappear in Dune Messiah, used by conspirators to weakened Paul like he was used by the Harkonnen in the first Book.
I Hope Dune Messiah will subvert my expectations as someone who is about to read Chapterhouse Dune for the first time.
I dont think he can avoid Edric, so he will need to do some explanation and exposition regarding the guild
Thanks Elaine
I like how he did it in contrast to the 84’ movie. When it shows them meet with the imperium the emperor acts like Paul isn’t in the plan but they want him dead. We know by the lore they are pulling the strings so it seems more in the dark as they steer politics.
If there are no aliens in the Dune-iverse, where did the sandworms come from?
Your mother
F. Herbert wrote the fascinating science fiction “Dune” with ingenious settings like some tech limitations.
On the other, his intelligence might have told us that such limitations would block civilizational development.
For example, the planets liberated from the Guild Navigators had to be reigned by a similar God Emperor.
I hope talented D. Villeneuve solves the dilemma with a humane, hopeful, but exciting movie adaptation.
Cool topic, I didn’t like the Spacing Guild being pretty much left out so far, hope if the third film goes off they are prominent to a degree.
Brilliant analysis and explanation (as per usual). Superb commentary.
This is going to be a great movie. He must show the guild because the war is moving throughout the universe.
How will CHOAM figure in?
I think Denis will make it good. He omitted Feyd from Part I and he turned out to be the best character in Part II. I have faith he’ll pull it off.
In part 1, Duke Leto asks Thufir Hawat: "How much will it cost them? Traveling all this way for this formality?" Hawat responds: "3 guild navigators; a total of 1.46 million and 62 Solaris, round trip."
So, in this, the guild is mentioned. While they aren't mentioned in Part 2, I don't understand the consternation behind how the story will proceed.
I wonder if he didn't include the actual navigators yet because he was still thinking about how they will be presented on screen and how the whole pandemic affected the production. I'm also interested if he will bring up the Bene Tleilax and the true nature of the Axlotl tanks which could be a touchy subject in the current climate, in how they created the first Duncan Idaho ghola (and if we get Jason Momoa back). I guess it depends on if he brings up Chani's death and parts of the Children of Dune story with a portent of God Emperor (my favorite story in the Dune series). This could pave the way for a future God Emperor mini series since movies alone could not do that book justice.
I have to admit I'm a little perturbed by the lack of detail is certain things like the devastating consequences of using lasguns in areas where people could be using shields (a huge part of the lore!) and how the open mouth of the sandworms wasn't portrayed as giving off immense amounts of heat in the movies, even though it was brought up countless times in the books. So it will be interesting to see his twist on the other key elements of the story.
Thanks for the news and insights!
I hope DV used the first two movies to solidify the movie audience’s understanding of the Bene Gesserit, so he can then introduce the guild navigators and the Bene Tleilax in Messiah.
Seems like an easy text crawl or exposition dump before the opening credits roll
This ain't Star Wars Episode 9 lol
First nice video Nerd Cookies. I think it is interesting to compare the way. Herbert writes about the spacing guild, Great houses, and the emperor as being like the American system of government with an executive branch, judicial branch and legislative branch. With that said I hope Villeneuve doesn’t portray that reality as a mirror to what is happening
today. I don’t want that I just find it an interesting power dynamic and parallel. I think it more apt to compare Dune 3 to The Rise of Skywalker particularly because of the way Villeneuve has adapted the source material. He has made his version of Dune in the rapidity of the events of Paul’s rise, the nature Chani’s character, and omission of important factions from the book Dune. How Villeneuve goes about weaving a story based on Messiah leaves me hoping for three things. I hope Villeneuve takes us five years into the future and Paul’s sister Alia is played by a child actress and in Paul’s mind by Taylor-Joy as well. Two I hope Villeneuve drops the petulant version of Chani in favor of a wise warrior who comes to love and defend Paul and Villeneuve reconciles the Chani of the books with the Chani he has created. Third and finally for now I hope the movie hypes action with the ghola of Duncan Idaho and Jason Momoa gets heavily featured as I still strongly feel that WB missed a great opportunity for getting audiences excited for a Dune 3 by not having a end credit scene of a ghola of Duncan Idaho being made at the end of Dune part 2.
But beyond all of this I really want Disney / Lucasfilm to hire me so I can help Lucasfilm make a response to the December 2026 release of Dune Messiah that will make Villeneuve and WB regret not adhering more closely to Herbert’s books.
Warner Bros says that Dune 3 will be an event film? What does event film mean?
He will pull a return of the jedi
It's too bad because I would like to have seen them in all of the movies. Maybe just a whisper in the first movie just showing their influence and the second movie and in the last movie showing them fall out especially no spoilers one in particular who has a huge impact on the next story. The Guild are my favorite characters in The Dune universe
It was quite lame in the film that Paul threatens to nuke the spice fields. Any member of the Landsarat could do that. So there is nothing unique about the threat.
I don't understand people claiming the Guild is omitted in part 1 and 2. They are mentioned, we see representatives, and we see the heighleiners. That's about as much as they feature in the book. We don't really get a good look at them until Messiah.
Guild Navigators, Tylaxu, gholas are all being saved for Dune Messiah. Villanueve is a patient craftsman, but we should expect to be enthralled but all of this weirdness as a counterpoint to the grounded political intrigue, and the denouement of the Paul, Chani, Alia arc. I do hope that Jessica continues in some sort of Reverend Mother of the Universe role, RF is too good to waste, as is JB and even the other JB. Alia's role will be challenging but ATG seems up to it after The Northman. And Duncan Idaho's return would be a crowd pleaser. We can all hardly wait for Dec. 2026.
He better do something because everyone that I knew that watched these movies did not understand that spice was being used to navigate space for transportation through the galaxy. They were literally baffled as to what the spice was being used for.
I explained missing points like what Spice is to my family when we watched it.
I have few complaints about Villeneuve's adaptation. The lack of screen time for the Spacing Guild is definitely one of them. They could've at least have been incorporated into the dialogue scenes with the emperor.
At this point i doubt we will see the Guild or Choam. We will probably see the Tleilaxu because they're too interesting to not include.
Im telling yall, the moment he said he would never release extended versions of these movies, he started displaying that ego that disgraced GoT showrunners, Dan and Dave had in abundance. Then seeing how he changed Chani so drastically, with his bs reasoning, i lost any hope of this turning out good.
I would be nice if Denis were to split Messiah into two films but film them as one project like was done for LoTR.
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I never understood why the spacing guild didnt take control of Arrakis the moment spice and its properties was discovered
Because it is not their "thing". They can get what they want without having to directly control, so why take a risk that is not needed?
How is Villeneuve going to get Chani back with Paul?
I don't think they will jump right into messiah. Based on the Margo Fenring story line conceiving Feyds child, and based on Brian Herbert's acknowledgement at the end of the movie, I think they will combine some of Brian's/ Kevin J Anderson's book Paul of Dune with Messiah. This would give them time to fix the Chani story and introduce Alia as a child.
He could do what he did with Blade Runner 2049 and release short films that fill in the gaps between both mainline movies
honestly i wouldn’t mind much if Messiah skips over the intricacies of the relationships between the Guild and other factions. I just really wanna see Edric (almost as badly as I wanna see Scytale) 😢
Villeneuve’s Dune films share several qualities with Jackson’s LOTR. Elements of the books HAD to be left out in order to have a watchable story on film. I agree, omitting the Guild is a big deal though. It needs to be rectified in order for Dune part 3 to make sense.
I think a possible option for the director to flesh out The Guild's influence in this universe would be to make Messiah(like Dune)a two parts sequel to the saga(there's a lot of intrigue in this book)IMO... 🤔
I think I'd prefer Dune: Messiah + Children of Dune being treated as some sort of 2-parter.
an excellent idea...
The only director I’d trust to portray the navigators, and Scytale would be Del Toro.
The problem with casting the Facedancer character is that he keeps changing his appearance... He doesn't actually appear as he "really" is all that much.
Couldn't agree more
I self-identify as a "Dunatic" (Frank Herbert books only) but I just don't understand the book purist objections to the inevitable consequences of adapting a dense book series for the big screen.
I have never doubted Villeneuve’s commitment to the core Dune story, namely a "modern Atreides", multi-generational Greek tragedy focussing on Paul and his immediate family members. (I'm constantly surprised by Villeneuve’s going into later books to add lines and concepts into Parts 1 and 2 in a way that actually "works" in telling those early parts of the extended story: it's almost like he had an advantage over Frank Herbert in knowing where the story would go after the first book...)
Once you get to "Messiah" and "Children", you can't really tell the story wthout focussing on various plots aiming to undermine the ascendancy of the main characters (and, indeed to destroy them). With the Bene Gesserit now realizing their plans have gone awry, they WILL need help if they want to regain a measure of control.
I have no doubt that Villeneuve understands the crucial role of the Guild (I want so see Edrick too!) and of the Tleilaxu in this regard (and the particular importance of the latter in the extended Frank Herbert story beyond "God Emperor").
Though the changes made (and yet to be made) from the books will undoubtedly continue to irritate the purists, I don't doubt we'll get a masterful treatment of the tragedy of Paul Atreides in his "Messiah" film and (hopefully) of his ultimate family tragedy in a further "Children" film.
(If anyone goes on to adapt "God Emperor" and beyond, it won't be Villeneuve and may not, and perhaps should not, be for the big screen...)
He needs to address how he shoved five years of story into six months of pregnancy. That plot armor is stronger than Duncan Idaho’s shield generator….
I think Villeneuve won't be using either the Guild or the Tlelaxu, which is a shame and focusing in other things like Paul trying to go after Chani, and the Jihad with the other houses, this probably will depart far away from Messiah in my opinion.
I think that Villeneuve should make the third one guild focused, and show the conspiracy in a fuller light with attention given to all the major conspirators.
But the conspiracy in "Messiah" (the book) ISN'T focussed on the Guild: Erick is just there as an anti-prescience "cloak" whom his fellow conspirators actually look down upon.
The focus of action in "Messiah" shifts from the Bene Gesserit characters held over from the first book (the Reverend Mother and Irulan) to the Tleilaxu but also focusses on the at least as important but independent conspiracies among the Fremen themselves.
I have no doubt we'll see Edrick (perhaps as a semi-tragic figure to be pitied) in the next film, but once it's clear Paul is blind to the conspiracy he shields, the focus of action will be on others in the various conspiracies...
@@PeloquinDavid my whole though was to better flesh out the Guild whom we no little about, in the movies.
DV did show the Guild
If we have learned anything about DV's view of the Dune story, it is that he doesn't give a flying f about anything other than the most superficial details.
His two Dune movies were nothing more than Lawrence of Arabia in space.
He thinks his cringe dialogue is deeper than that of Frank Herbert and he thinks his ideas of what characters are like is more important than the original story.
I'm a huge Dune fan but I don't care at all about his Dune Messiah movie.
He ruined Dune and before that he ruined the entirely forgettable Blade Runner 2049.
He is nothing more than a glorified DP.
We're all wanting to see Villeneuve's portrayal of the FREAK SHOW!
He knows what he's doing!
With how Villeneuve hinted at planning to show more about how travel with the spacing guild works prior to doing Part Two,
I just took the absence of it in Part Two as Villeneuve having known there was a very real possibility that he'll get to do Messiah,
as that wouldn't be the first time he's moved key players into a later movie than one would expect, in order to...space the ideas out a bit.
i REALLY disliked Villeneuve's dune , watched them once and thats it not very good at all imo
First and always great content
In Dennis we trust 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Do it in 2 parts. Part 1 being the jiihad and the spacing guild and part 2 being the political intrigue
Villeneuve does not have the stomach to bring the Spacing Guild to life. I feel like I'm watching the PG rated version of Dune. When is he going to give us the blood and guts we've earned?! We've sat 'n seen your cinematic marvel, several hours worth, now can we get some blood and guts. please! WTF!?!
Lynch's navigators still superior to anything that came after.
Dune Trilogy? There was one Dune, and they cut this to part 1 and 2. But this still one book!
I don't think we're going to see a guild navigator, I don't think a fishy human mutant swimming in a tank of orange spice gas fits in Denis's vision for the dunaverse, yes we have the spider pet but thats more of a visual clue into the nature of the Harkonnens.
If Frank Herbert's descriptions are too much for him then he has no business making 'Dune' films and should stand down in favour of more broad-minded and less squeamish directors.
The fact that Denis hasn't properly displayed a navigator on screen is concerning. It's weird 😕
🤔"I thought the spacings gild was owner's and operates the hole space transport thing! As it is in Book's!?!..🙄
Though we all hope an adaptation can be as true as possible, even perfect aligned with the original story, it never is. Even the porsonal imaginations of fervent reader of the books are all different , and so will be the adaptation by Villeneuve. Holding steadvast to the original will probably only disappoint the viewer, being open for slightly different interpretations and even changes just ads to the richness of Dune as a whole. The real fan does care, but understands knowing for instance the background of the guild and its birth, All others are just amazed by this intricate complex universe and hope it will be told in an understandable way. I think 🙂
So, let's for the sake of argument posit that DV will make a three hour movie. He now has two major problems to solve 1) Chant, 2) the conspiracy. I can see him solving these two easily in 90 min. and then proceeding with the rest of the story.
Have you changed your voice/recording setup due to people saying it's too high pitched? F them. Hope it was not related. Anyway, thanks for the videos.
Zero faith in this project... First one was great but the second movie veered WAY to far off of the book.
'Chani knew, she knew all along what a bad idea it was to follow Paul'.... trust me, she will be a girl boss.....
I wonder if the heraldic colors of House Thorvald were red and brown? That would explain how they ended up....marooned. 😈
I dont know. Villeneuve is gonna simplify it anyway, so maybe not even add SG if he is gonna just scratch the surface for book readers to get the reference and for non readers to scratch their heads
As was said, there are no aliens; only Humanity, and the aliens they become in the absence of outside forces compelling them to remain "human", so I'm hoping for something cool, regarding this iteration of a Guild Steersman. I'm personally hoping for something that hearkens more to Edric, ad he's portrayed in the SFC mini series, compared to the bulbous monster of deLaurentus fame, or the stretched, blue thing from Barlowe's Guide to Extraterrestrials, but their total absence, even as an organization, seemed odd.
So, at tbe risk of being dumb, why was Edric important to the treason plan? He was supposed to block Paul's prescience, but then Paul knew practically every step, plot, and perpetrator, anyway; it was almost as if he got to read the book, and change the plot, he was so in the know. What good did Edric REALLY do, before getting killed?
Unrelated, but I also wonder why the Guild ever let, or allowed the continuance, of others controlling Arrakis? They had the monopoly. They had all the ships, and the Navigators to steer them the the seas of probability, where even Mentats probably couldn't crunch those numbers, so why didn't they cordon off the planet, erase its location from memory, employ their own laborers, and control the source of the Spice themselves? Considering the pull they seem to have, it seems weird that, over 10,000 years, they never made a move to dominate access to it. Hell, even the Padashah Emperor...needs the Guild's ships to move the mined Spice from Arrakis to the banking system, or whatever Houses have access to said quantities, so if they control the ships, even from that early point, why do they permit the Emperor, the Harkonnen, or whomever else, to be involved?
Denis Villeneuve makes pretty movies that are good but always seems to be missing something. I liked Part 1 but was disappointed by Part 2. Part 2 was a well made movie. I understand what he was attempting with the plot changes. He was trying to reframe Paul as Herbert stated after the reaction the book and Paul as a hero. But I think it would have been better to not change Chani and show the aftermath of the Jihad. I think building Paul as a hero and then showing the aftermath is a better story. Narrative wise this works better for me. Part 2 would have been more of a victory, with Part 3 showing the downfall. I like the idea of showing how power is a corrupting force even for those with noble intentions. I feel like Part 2 made it seem like Paul embraced the fanaticism rather than being overcome by it.
Pointless without Chani. He intentionally changed her story in part 2 for an empowerment reason, he would have to undo it for a 3rd film.
Yes. The most annoying woke part.
This chani is screwed and of course race swapped.
@@dermagnus8482quit with the race swapped nonsense. You expect everyone 20k yrs in the future to look like one people?
This really screwed up the second movie in my opinion.
I am afraid the movie has been messed with too much to make a good third installment. Still zi am hoping.
Dune part 2 was nothing but a hollywood action movie.Denis let me down not gonna lie. He must release the extended director's cut(s) for both of them. You owe it to the fans Villenueve!
Don’t forget CHOAM…