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I think the group dynamic has dropped so much because of the really mean responses a person will get when asking questions. There are trolls on there just looking to say mean things and start a fight. I don’t get why someone feels good about being so mean. This is the main reason why I won’t ask questions in groups anymore.
Agreed, it was so much easier when the group was small to weed out those people who just wanted to cause chaos. Now there are so many people those comments go unseen for days sometimes.
Because the people who say those mean things can't be held accountable. Do you think that same person would stand up in front of a person and say mean things? No. They are cowards. Social media is breeding a new generation of narcissists.
I 100% agree with these comments, I think what did it for me was, a lady on here once asked a ? about wicking and the money she was wasting on fragrance oil and when she asked what would you guys suggest, she got a reply from another lady saying what is it that you want ? Do you really want us to tell you all the answers to what we had to go through. You have to do your own research like us all. I thought that was very mean after all I honestly thought this group was to help each other and bring new ideas to the table, well that's what I would have no problem doing. People must not forget what the group was about in the first place instead of shooting their mouths off. Those kind of people forget when they first started out. Thankyou Jeff for all you do for us. 🥰
@@maryobrienbarcoe2639 Those kinds of answers drive me crazy too. It’s not like she’s asking for the easy win button and no testing is involved. People are simply asking for help narrowing down the field instead of testing a hundred wicks. I’ve never understood not helping someone narrow it down to a couple of wicks. There is absolutely still testing involved. The other thing that drives me crazy is those people being mean we’re once asking those same questions and got help too.
I am in the group. I think for me, it gets annoying after awhile when the same questions gets asked over and over again. A lot of questions have already been answered and people don't really search. Also, then there are the ones where they haven't done any research and starts asking really dumb questions and seem like they don't want to test, they don't want to trial & error. And that really turns me off and I snooze the group for 30 days. With that said, if I have a genuine question, and its a question that is not basic, I usually will get a response from someone. I think quality candle makers do exist in the group but we tend to just take a step back and bypass a lot of the noise.
The search could be so much better for sure. That's why I like a forum, you can pin all those basic questions that come up all the time so everyone sees them when they start.
I left the groups a while ago. Got sick of folks that did no research on their own, no testing, no nothing, wanting easy answers because we’ve shared way too much on both YT and other platforms. I want to find a group of serious candlemakers with a few years experience.
I would agree there are a lot of people who wanted fast answers and then wanted no feedback on top of it which is just as important. An advanced group or forum is needed for sure. The forum I set up does an have an advanced section.
I'm a Master Craftsmen, I have 17 years with over 70k hours of experience in candle making. I was a part of your group along with 10 others just trying to help. I tried to give advice when asked, and all these so-called soccer moms who found candle making during covid, told me my advice was invalid, and I didn't know what I was talking about. I was kicked from your group. I literally didn't do anything wrong other than trying to help.
I was active in many groups, unfortunately no candle ones, and I have seen this decline for every single group. There was no longer any community, it became demands and/or elitism. Then you get those "quick flipper" types who ask what everyone else makes and tries to sell that for cheaper. One 3D printing group I am in now is basically divided in two (including the mods) who harp on what is "real 3D printing" even going so far as to delete those who bought the higher-end prebuilt machines "because you gain nothing unless you build it yourself from a kit." and are showing off their prints.
I agree with everything you said in this video. I have noticed you said in your videos that you posted a question in the Facebook group and I sit here and think "when did he post". I also notice only some questions get answered in the Facebook group, but this now explains why.
Facebook as a social media app does not suck. Even the Facebook groups don't suck. What sucks are all the toxic people that are in these different groups that I'm in. I feel their negative energy, anger, disrespect, and so forth. Whenever I leave a comment or express my opinion with respect to others I get attached and laughed at. I have left so many Facebook groups because of this. To be honest I prefer to be part of a group in the real world where you meet and see real people rather than strangers behind a screen. But anyways I liked your video.
I had to step away from all the candle Facebook groups I was in because of the MEAN responses. Not much help going on. More negatively than support unfortunately.
When I go to my group, which is seldom, it is a wonderful group. Actually, I’m rarely on FB at ALL anymore. There is no negativity in our group and members cheer each other on! That’s hard to find in a FB group! The administrator is such a sweetheart and so incredibly helpful and no one pays any fee to be a member or for the information gleaned. The credit for a friendly and encouraging group goes to the admin in our group. It’s really amazing! Maybe just start limiting members per group? Much love to you and your family, Jeff!❤
I had a short lived private group and shut it down in May after 5 months. It was on accountability 😂 and being a partner for others and help encourage them to finish their goals... The excitement literally died after 2 weeks because you know why?? It's actually WORK to check-in. People are lazy, and they dont cultivate their self-discipline. 🤷 They want everything handed to them and not reciprocate. So i told them i was shutting it down becauee they broke their promise in being an accountability partner.
I would benefit from a group like this. But I'm a caregiver to my special needs son, and now my husband, so days often slip away from me. I am trying to set up the den to be my work space. I become super depressed when I feel like I'll never get to relaunch.
Im sick of new people who think... I'm going to become a candle master.... Tell me everything u know...or not willing to try on their own. So many people jump into it full force and then realize it's work.😂. Too many people watching dumb diy candle hacks... That are not professional
I get those all the time at markets ..ugh ..tell me everything you do step by step so my wife can do this…REALLY? Buddy this is a FLAMMABLE product you are putting in someone’s home ..it’s not a change a light bulb kind of thing ..
My newphew works with FB, INSTA, SNAPCHAT Tiktok etc …there has been a diminish with all platforms ..even Tiktok is feeling it..people are burned out from posting ..ALSO..advertising on any of these has awful ROI as well.
I used to part of a forum for candle makers, but with the fad of using FB, it shut down and moved over completey to a FB group. It didn't take long for the group to turn to mush, dominated by beginners asking the same type of questions, everything else got drowned out. The search was poor so you couldn't search for topics, like you could in a forum. We need to move back to forums.
So I agree. I also believe that people have become accustomed to being rude, over critical and down right nasty. You cannot help people with that energy.
I blame FB, but I also blame the mean people in the group also. People were very mean, they didn’t really want to help. I stopped asking questions and/or even going to the page a year ago. I gave up on it
The group sucks because everyone is a pro, people don’t want real feedback and people are rude. I’ve stopped looking at them to be honest. I’ll answer a question if comes off as a genuine question. The group dynamics went in the toilet the last 3-4 years now. I’m in a soap group asked a question about labeling and everyone was the rude never mind me stating I’m learning
You are absolutely correct, some people just cannot be corrected and they get nasty when questioned. I know a lot of people who I've worked with for years who jumped out of groups a long time ago.
I went to post something on my Kane Brown group, when I went to see the group all of a sudden it’s gone! I post so many things and people would like it or say a great response. I can’t find the group now
I think it's all the algorithms! I don't like fb choosing what i see! I want to see everything posting to me in chronological. That stopped a long time ago.
The group is just a hot mess now! People are mean some are helpful and some think they are higher than mighty . I joined the group 3 years ago and between now and then I’ve seen a major loss of community I no longer visit the page anymore because it’s nothing there anymore . I will say I’ve learned a lot and bonus met my best friend aka candle buddy🎉
I was in a fan group of a musician on Facebook and I shared a picture of an anime style 3d model of them. The comments were terrible. This was actually the 2nd fanclub I was in, the problem with the last one was I got attacked by some people, and then one thing I posted the club considered it harassment. Now the worst thing is that the commenters were from the old group and I thought they were friends. It was extremely hurtful because I have autism and I felt so humiliated because what I made wasn't good enough for everyone. Personally I think Facebook should not have fan groups anymore. People are told in the rules to be nice to each other but obviously they don't follow them.
I already made a comment on here, but I just had the greatest comeback. I had several posts declined and ignored in a 2000's nostalgia group. After exposing this in a comments section that doesn't have to be approved, all my posts are now suddenly approved😂. There was nothing wrong with my posts and all of it was topic related. I don't know why but it seemed like an admin had unnecessary beef with me and was playing favoritism despite there being no rules broken. Over a million followers in the group, and I wouldn't be surprised if half of them are never approved.
People ask questions without ever doing their own research. They dont want to do the work. They want instant money, they complain too much.i have found the groups to be draining😮
I noticed that public groups are infected with lots of nonsensical unrelated videos. One such example is the pizza and soilder couple which they do nothing for 15 mins. And FB allow that. And to report irrelevant content it simply not an option
Facebook groups are indeed toxic cause I did experience it just recently and decided to delete all of my posts before leaving the group with its unfair spiteful treatment from the people in the community from that group that I had joined back in May of this year. I was the first person in the group to had made a Birthday tribute post for my favorite character actor and I was noticing that it wasn’t getting that much likes or recognition from other people in the group. I took my time and effort to enhance and edit high quality photos of my favorite character actor. People in the group seemed to gravitate more towards some older lady who had also made a Birthday tribute post for the same character actor after I made a birthday tribute post for the same actor and she had posted with a low quality blurry photo of the actor which engaged tons of likes and responses. People in the group that I joined seemed to disregard my Birthday tribute post for the same actor and didn’t consider my post at all. Which was outrageous to me because it literally caught me off guard by the entire situation. Why choose a bad low quality blurry photo post over a higher enhanced quality image post. The fact that the rules stated in that group to insist others to be friendly and respectful to everyone which this community completely contradicted with their unfair actions towards me was a classic example of total hypocrisy.
We're in the process of moving right now and things will be back to normal very soon. Once we get settled Bohosoft will be back nice and strong with tons of new stuff coming.
I've recently left a lot of groups. No visibility and too many trolls. I'm better off on Reddit where the cream rises to the top and the trolls tend to get lost in focused subs.
I guess I'm respectively new to the group but not candlemaking. I try to help where I can and don't necessarily think the ones I'm apart of suck truly. But... I've become a bit bothered by an almost unwillingness or fear to research, test and experiment. Many questions are for a fast fix without talking about anything they may have tried,. Or searching for previous answers, reading the supplier guides, for basic starting points. If they have an idea they are wondering about, they don't actually do it themselves so that there's no contribution on their part to the collective knowledge. Or invalidating someone's experience. I guess what I'm experiencing is those just looking for a business or outlet and those that actually like the craft. It's an interesting dynamic for sure.
the problem is what is bad for you can be good for others , and as much as i hate to say this but facebook has been helping me out with the free advertising . It is easy for people in the US to get rid of Facebook and use other websites there in the same country , However for someone like me who doesn't live in US , we don't have any choice but to use facebook marketplace and groups for free advertising and find costumers not only in our own countries but abroad too . I dislike facebook too because it has a lot of restrictions and censorship.
I have a soap making group, i have about 34k, peanuts compared to you, anyway, a beginners type manual, very affordable and since there’s so many beginners in my group, I figured it’ll sell, well I was wrong lol sold very few! 🤦🏻♀️
It's a real shame if you ever want to monetize the group for anything which a lot of groups do. e-books, classes, in person events, etc. People don't even see them anymore.
I’m not saying it’s your group but I joined a group and it was of already established candle makers complaining about new candle makers selling out suppliers over and over again
See that's the kind of stuff I don't like either. Some of the groups get filled with very entitled people and makers who really take the wind out of new makers which is a shame.
So irritated!!! Why does facebook push some groups and recommend them and others they dont??? I've worked so hard for a year and my group only has 13k members in a year. I've watched other groups with the same subject as mine get 50k plus in a month with little to no work and the admins don't even know how to run the group. Makes no since at all!!!!!
Also. When you submit a comment or a post. As relevant as your post or comment might be. Administration and Moderators take forever to approve one. Sometimes they will even reject it. " Why let members comment or post if Administration and Moderators play favorites. I feel like an invisible woman.
I think a lot of people join groups like collections. Like collecting friends, but in group form. I wish Facebook would force people out of a group if they’re inactive for a couple of months. I’m not sure if you’ve done this already, but would you be willing to allow people to send you candles for your opinions and advice?
I've definitely had experiences with Facebook groups in which I said at first wow I love this group or wow this is a wonderful group or this group seems really interesting and then what wind up happening is that I end up getting really enthusiastic and crazy about the group and at some point there winds up being a situation in which I feel like the I'm the only moron who is posting alot of the crap on the group and there no longer even seems to be as much activity and I get to the point where I said screw it this is starting to get completely boring and friggen stupid.
Facebook groups absolutely suck. You can be banned from a group like what happened to me for simply asking a group admin a question that wasn't against the group rules. My posts were even topic related, and they never explained to me why they blocked my posts. Other posts were talking about the same thing, and they never got blocked. Why did the admin take it personally? I have no clue. I was a top contributor to the group, and they loved the discussions I would start. It was about PC prices and how ridiculous they have got. I simply said sellers and PC Builders have gotten unnecessarily greedy, and many PC Builders and gamers agreed with me but not the admin. It was all on topic and lined up with their rules. If an admin takes something personally and takes someone's voice away, then they shouldn't be in charge even if the post wasn't going against the rules. That is an attack on freedom of speech also. What's the point of talking on a group post if the admin can be but hurt about anything. Really admins personal feelings over a topic that can be discussed in the group is selfish and they don't consider everyone else that was part of that discussion. Why be an admin if you don't take part in the discussion and be more open-minded for others instead of taking your personal feelings first.
I’d love to see some form of this with larger groups for sure. I mean hell some admins are doing a hell of a job keeping tens of thousands people, sometimes more, on the website and engaging like crazy.
I would create a new group then close the other one. That will tell you the true devotees. Then make the nondevotees bend the knee if they survive battle to the death.
I really don’t want to be mean but…you never addressed the bullies so I left. I don’t like bullies, I don’t entertain them and they should not be allowed on any social media.
Actually we constantly handled them it just grew to the point where we couldn’t see them all or they weren’t reported. I try to make every effort to get those people out fast.
@@StandleyHandcrafted then I appreciate your efforts, but honestly I did not see them at all. I saw all types of new candle makers getting feedback that wasn’t helpful, down right rude and should have been criminally charged. But hey, it’s the internet, right? Can’t control everything. Everyone who follows your RUclips…..you know EXACTLY who you are.
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I think the group dynamic has dropped so much because of the really mean responses a person will get when asking questions. There are trolls on there just looking to say mean things and start a fight. I don’t get why someone feels good about being so mean. This is the main reason why I won’t ask questions in groups anymore.
Agreed, it was so much easier when the group was small to weed out those people who just wanted to cause chaos. Now there are so many people those comments go unseen for days sometimes.
Because the people who say those mean things can't be held accountable. Do you think that same person would stand up in front of a person and say mean things? No. They are cowards. Social media is breeding a new generation of narcissists.
@@TonicMercantile You are 100% correct.
I 100% agree with these comments, I think what did it for me was, a lady on here once asked a ? about wicking and the money she was wasting on fragrance oil and when she asked what would you guys suggest, she got a reply from another lady saying what is it that you want ? Do you really want us to tell you all the answers to what we had to go through. You have to do your own research like us all. I thought that was very mean after all I honestly thought this group was to help each other and bring new ideas to the table, well that's what I would have no problem doing. People must not forget what the group was about in the first place instead of shooting their mouths off. Those kind of people forget when they first started out. Thankyou Jeff for all you do for us. 🥰
@@maryobrienbarcoe2639 Those kinds of answers drive me crazy too. It’s not like she’s asking for the easy win button and no testing is involved.
People are simply asking for help narrowing down the field instead of testing a hundred wicks. I’ve never understood not helping someone narrow it down to a couple of wicks. There is absolutely still testing involved.
The other thing that drives me crazy is those people being mean we’re once asking those same questions and got help too.
I am in the group. I think for me, it gets annoying after awhile when the same questions gets asked over and over again. A lot of questions have already been answered and people don't really search. Also, then there are the ones where they haven't done any research and starts asking really dumb questions and seem like they don't want to test, they don't want to trial & error. And that really turns me off and I snooze the group for 30 days. With that said, if I have a genuine question, and its a question that is not basic, I usually will get a response from someone. I think quality candle makers do exist in the group but we tend to just take a step back and bypass a lot of the noise.
The search could be so much better for sure. That's why I like a forum, you can pin all those basic questions that come up all the time so everyone sees them when they start.
I left the groups a while ago. Got sick of folks that did no research on their own, no testing, no nothing, wanting easy answers because we’ve shared way too much on both YT and other platforms. I want to find a group of serious candlemakers with a few years experience.
I would agree there are a lot of people who wanted fast answers and then wanted no feedback on top of it which is just as important.
An advanced group or forum is needed for sure. The forum I set up does an have an advanced section.
I'm a Master Craftsmen, I have 17 years with over 70k hours of experience in candle making. I was a part of your group along with 10 others just trying to help. I tried to give advice when asked, and all these so-called soccer moms who found candle making during covid, told me my advice was invalid, and I didn't know what I was talking about. I was kicked from your group. I literally didn't do anything wrong other than trying to help.
Oh wow I'll have to go back and see. No idea why you would have been removed for that whatsoever.
@@StandleyHandcrafted it was was while ago, and this is my first time seeing your video because I wasn't sure who actually removed me from the group.
Smh this happened to me. Happens to the best of us!!
@shreedanyell2753 glad I'm not the only one
Facebook trolls deliberately causes problems
I was active in many groups, unfortunately no candle ones, and I have seen this decline for every single group. There was no longer any community, it became demands and/or elitism. Then you get those "quick flipper" types who ask what everyone else makes and tries to sell that for cheaper.
One 3D printing group I am in now is basically divided in two (including the mods) who harp on what is "real 3D printing" even going so far as to delete those who bought the higher-end prebuilt machines "because you gain nothing unless you build it yourself from a kit." and are showing off their prints.
I agree with everything you said in this video. I have noticed you said in your videos that you posted a question in the Facebook group and I sit here and think "when did he post". I also notice only some questions get answered in the Facebook group, but this now explains why.
This is precisely why i am not on any Facebook groups.
I can fully understand, they can be really bad sometimes.
I know many people who have quit Facebook completely
Facebook as a social media app does not suck. Even the Facebook groups don't suck. What sucks are all the toxic people that are in these different groups that I'm in. I feel their negative energy, anger, disrespect, and so forth. Whenever I leave a comment or express my opinion with respect to others I get attached and laughed at. I have left so many Facebook groups because of this. To be honest I prefer to be part of a group in the real world where you meet and see real people rather than strangers behind a screen. But anyways I liked your video.
I had to step away from all the candle Facebook groups I was in because of the MEAN responses. Not much help going on. More negatively than support unfortunately.
When I go to my group, which is seldom, it is a wonderful group. Actually, I’m rarely on FB at ALL anymore. There is no negativity in our group and members cheer each other on! That’s hard to find in a FB group! The administrator is such a sweetheart and so incredibly helpful and no one pays any fee to be a member or for the information gleaned. The credit for a friendly and encouraging group goes to the admin in our group. It’s really amazing! Maybe just start limiting members per group? Much love to you and your family, Jeff!❤
I had a short lived private group and shut it down in May after 5 months. It was on accountability 😂 and being a partner for others and help encourage them to finish their goals... The excitement literally died after 2 weeks because you know why?? It's actually WORK to check-in. People are lazy, and they dont cultivate their self-discipline. 🤷 They want everything handed to them and not reciprocate. So i told them i was shutting it down becauee they broke their promise in being an accountability partner.
I would benefit from a group like this. But I'm a caregiver to my special needs son, and now my husband, so days often slip away from me. I am trying to set up the den to be my work space. I become super depressed when I feel like I'll never get to relaunch.
Yes yes yes. Mine may as well all be dead cos they don’t speak. I got bored talking to myself 😂
Im sick of new people who think... I'm going to become a candle master.... Tell me everything u know...or not willing to try on their own. So many people jump into it full force and then realize it's work.😂. Too many people watching dumb diy candle hacks... That are not professional
LOL those candle hack videos are a real problem 🤣
I get those all the time at markets ..ugh ..tell me everything you do step by step so my wife can do this…REALLY? Buddy this is a FLAMMABLE product you are putting in someone’s home ..it’s not a change a light bulb kind of thing ..
Indeed, FB groups has been awful for sometime. I stopped using FB regularly about a year ago.
I got suspended on a FB group for expressing my opinion about Popeyes chicken.
My newphew works with FB, INSTA, SNAPCHAT Tiktok etc …there has been a diminish with all platforms ..even Tiktok is feeling it..people are burned out from posting ..ALSO..advertising on any of these has awful ROI as well.
Facebook feed is awful.
I definitely agree, I haven't seen many posts by you recently. Thanks for explaining how this all works.
I used to part of a forum for candle makers, but with the fad of using FB, it shut down and moved over completey to a FB group. It didn't take long for the group to turn to mush, dominated by beginners asking the same type of questions, everything else got drowned out. The search was poor so you couldn't search for topics, like you could in a forum. We need to move back to forums.
This is exactly why I created the forum, they're so much better for conversations. I have always loved them.
So I agree. I also believe that people have become accustomed to being rude, over critical and down right nasty. You cannot help people with that energy.
I blame FB, but I also blame the mean people in the group also. People were very mean, they didn’t really want to help. I stopped asking questions and/or even going to the page a year ago. I gave up on it
The group sucks because everyone is a pro, people don’t want real feedback and people are rude. I’ve stopped looking at them to be honest. I’ll answer a question if comes off as a genuine question. The group dynamics went in the toilet the last 3-4 years now. I’m in a soap group asked a question about labeling and everyone was the rude never mind me stating I’m learning
You are absolutely correct, some people just cannot be corrected and they get nasty when questioned. I know a lot of people who I've worked with for years who jumped out of groups a long time ago.
I’m in the group every day. I honestly haven’t seen you in a while! ❤ The algorithm is crazy!!
See, it's crazy!! lol
I went to post something on my Kane Brown group, when I went to see the group all of a sudden it’s gone! I post so many things and people would like it or say a great response. I can’t find the group now
A lot of it has to do with bans, alot of times when someone is banned or flagged they just leave the toxic Facebook relationship
I think it's all the algorithms! I don't like fb choosing what i see! I want to see everything posting to me in chronological. That stopped a long time ago.
Definitely noticed a difference, it's very discouraging
I started with the FB group in 2018. Yes, it was a very nice group of people that was helpful and engaging.
I agree. I’ve left several. The people who start them just fall off and never return to add content.
I’ve seen that happen quite a few times too.
I’m in mine everyday.
I quit many because saying the truth will get you suspended and even kicked off many groups. there are very few at all I still use.
That’s the reason I created my own group initially. So many groups you had to be careful saying things or talking about other companies.
The group is just a hot mess now! People are mean some are helpful and some think they are higher than mighty . I joined the group 3 years ago and between now and then I’ve seen a major loss of community I no longer visit the page anymore because it’s nothing there anymore . I will say I’ve learned a lot and bonus met my best friend aka candle buddy🎉
I was in a fan group of a musician on Facebook and I shared a picture of an anime style 3d model of them. The comments were terrible. This was actually the 2nd fanclub I was in, the problem with the last one was I got attacked by some people, and then one thing I posted the club considered it harassment. Now the worst thing is that the commenters were from the old group and I thought they were friends. It was extremely hurtful because I have autism and I felt so humiliated because what I made wasn't good enough for everyone. Personally I think Facebook should not have fan groups anymore. People are told in the rules to be nice to each other but obviously they don't follow them.
I already made a comment on here, but I just had the greatest comeback. I had several posts declined and ignored in a 2000's nostalgia group. After exposing this in a comments section that doesn't have to be approved, all my posts are now suddenly approved😂. There was nothing wrong with my posts and all of it was topic related. I don't know why but it seemed like an admin had unnecessary beef with me and was playing favoritism despite there being no rules broken. Over a million followers in the group, and I wouldn't be surprised if half of them are never approved.
People ask questions without ever doing their own research. They dont want to do the work. They want instant money, they complain too much.i have found the groups to be draining😮
I noticed that public groups are infected with lots of nonsensical unrelated videos. One such example is the pizza and soilder couple which they do nothing for 15 mins. And FB allow that. And to report irrelevant content it simply not an option
Facebook groups are indeed toxic cause I did experience it just recently and decided to delete all of my posts before leaving the group with its unfair spiteful treatment from the people in the community from that group that I had joined back in May of this year. I was the first person in the group to had made a Birthday tribute post for my favorite character actor and I was noticing that it wasn’t getting that much likes or recognition from other people in the group. I took my time and effort to enhance and edit high quality photos of my favorite character actor. People in the group seemed to gravitate more towards some older lady who had also made a Birthday tribute post for the same character actor after I made a birthday tribute post for the same actor and she had posted with a low quality blurry photo of the actor which engaged tons of likes and responses. People in the group that I joined seemed to disregard my Birthday tribute post for the same actor and didn’t consider my post at all. Which was outrageous to me because it literally caught me off guard by the entire situation. Why choose a bad low quality blurry photo post over a higher enhanced quality image post. The fact that the rules stated in that group to insist others to be friendly and respectful to everyone which this community completely contradicted with their unfair actions towards me was a classic example of total hypocrisy.
When should the FOs be available again at Bohosoft?
We're in the process of moving right now and things will be back to normal very soon.
Once we get settled Bohosoft will be back nice and strong with tons of new stuff coming.
@@StandleyHandcrafted awesome!!! Can't wait!!!
I've recently left a lot of groups. No visibility and too many trolls. I'm better off on Reddit where the cream rises to the top and the trolls tend to get lost in focused subs.
I guess I'm respectively new to the group but not candlemaking. I try to help where I can and don't necessarily think the ones I'm apart of suck truly. But... I've become a bit bothered by an almost unwillingness or fear to research, test and experiment. Many questions are for a fast fix without talking about anything they may have tried,. Or searching for previous answers, reading the supplier guides, for basic starting points. If they have an idea they are wondering about, they don't actually do it themselves so that there's no contribution on their part to the collective knowledge. Or invalidating someone's experience. I guess what I'm experiencing is those just looking for a business or outlet and those that actually like the craft. It's an interesting dynamic for sure.
the problem is what is bad for you can be good for others , and as much as i hate to say this but facebook has been helping me out with the free advertising . It is easy for people in the US to get rid of Facebook and use other websites there in the same country , However for someone like me who doesn't live in US , we don't have any choice but to use facebook marketplace and groups for free advertising and find costumers not only in our own countries but abroad too . I dislike facebook too because it has a lot of restrictions and censorship.
Yes they do. I have had a few and havent made a single order.
Groups are bad because they are not moderated. Trolls get to run wild.
It might suck for candles or whatever you do but our knife groups are killing it.
Are you guys still getting good reach with posts and comments?
I have a soap making group, i have about 34k, peanuts compared to you, anyway, a beginners type manual, very affordable and since there’s so many beginners in my group, I figured it’ll sell, well I was wrong lol sold very few! 🤦🏻♀️
It's a real shame if you ever want to monetize the group for anything which a lot of groups do. e-books, classes, in person events, etc.
People don't even see them anymore.
Too many people will ruin any group
exactly. This is why i dont invite anyone to mine, like by default. Mostly people do this to increase sales
Thank you! It use to be awesome!
Facebook sucks 100% i have 5 groups , managing Post and approving new members for free wasting Data for nothing not worth it
I am in a FB group that has pinned messages that show up at the top. Couldn't you do that with your admin posts?
You can but even those dont get seen as much as you would think.
I’m not saying it’s your group but I joined a group and it was of already established candle makers complaining about new candle makers selling out suppliers over and over again
See that's the kind of stuff I don't like either. Some of the groups get filled with very entitled people and makers who really take the wind out of new makers which is a shame.
Ty
i posted in facebook group and my posts aren't even getting approved yet others are. i guess they don't like my business unless i'm shadow-banned.
Which group? No one is on post approval in my group unless they’re posting for sale items and that’s temporary.
So irritated!!! Why does facebook push some groups and recommend them and others they dont??? I've worked so hard for a year and my group only has 13k members in a year. I've watched other groups with the same subject as mine get 50k plus in a month with little to no work and the admins don't even know how to run the group. Makes no since at all!!!!!
groups, forums and servers : let me create a situation where i FINALLY am the boss to boss over you with stupid rules made for children.
I hate recruiting
Also. When you submit a comment or a post. As relevant as your post or comment might be. Administration and Moderators take forever to approve one. Sometimes they will even reject it. " Why let members comment or post if Administration and Moderators play favorites. I feel like an invisible woman.
I’m not a fan of post approval either.
My Group has 200K and this is True you don’t see everyone’s post
So true
I think a lot of people join groups like collections. Like collecting friends, but in group form. I wish Facebook would force people out of a group if they’re inactive for a couple of months. I’m not sure if you’ve done this already, but would you be willing to allow people to send you candles for your opinions and advice?
I have definitely seen group collectors. lol
I think it doesn't help that fb group leaders often fracture off and start another group. So it gets confusing as to which group is which.
I've definitely had experiences with Facebook groups in which I said at first wow I love this group or wow this is a wonderful group or this group seems really interesting and then what wind up happening is that I end up getting really enthusiastic and crazy about the group and at some point there winds up being a situation in which I feel like the I'm the only moron who is posting alot of the crap on the group and there no longer even seems to be as much activity and I get to the point where I said screw it this is starting to get completely boring and friggen stupid.
Facebook groups absolutely suck. You can be banned from a group like what happened to me for simply asking a group admin a question that wasn't against the group rules. My posts were even topic related, and they never explained to me why they blocked my posts. Other posts were talking about the same thing, and they never got blocked. Why did the admin take it personally? I have no clue. I was a top contributor to the group, and they loved the discussions I would start. It was about PC prices and how ridiculous they have got. I simply said sellers and PC Builders have gotten unnecessarily greedy, and many PC Builders and gamers agreed with me but not the admin. It was all on topic and lined up with their rules. If an admin takes something personally and takes someone's voice away, then they shouldn't be in charge even if the post wasn't going against the rules. That is an attack on freedom of speech also. What's the point of talking on a group post if the admin can be but hurt about anything. Really admins personal feelings over a topic that can be discussed in the group is selfish and they don't consider everyone else that was part of that discussion. Why be an admin if you don't take part in the discussion and be more open-minded for others instead of taking your personal feelings first.
Facebook should pay Facebook group admins!!!!! Especially if you run large group.
I’d love to see some form of this with larger groups for sure. I mean hell some admins are doing a hell of a job keeping tens of thousands people, sometimes more, on the website and engaging like crazy.
I would create a new group then close the other one. That will tell you the true devotees. Then make the nondevotees bend the knee if they survive battle to the death.
I really don’t want to be mean but…you never addressed the bullies so I left. I don’t like bullies, I don’t entertain them and they should not be allowed on any social media.
Actually we constantly handled them it just grew to the point where we couldn’t see them all or they weren’t reported.
I try to make every effort to get those people out fast.
@@StandleyHandcrafted then I appreciate your efforts, but honestly I did not see them at all. I saw all types of new candle makers getting feedback that wasn’t helpful, down right rude and should have been criminally charged. But hey, it’s the internet, right? Can’t control everything. Everyone who follows your RUclips…..you know EXACTLY who you are.
@@andeewood9546 which crime?
@@emanuel_soundtrack harassment of any kind (in my state) is a crime and can be enforced by fines and jail time.
People Found a better Alternative Named Discord
I love discord but it’s not great for candles and the demographic.