Do British Muslims have a problem with apostates? The Big Questions
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2015
- Dr Usama Hasan, Senior Researcher at Quilliam, on the BBC's The Big Questions on 15/03/15. The question discussed is "Do British Muslims have a problem with apostates?".
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She is not demonizing Islam. She is telling the truth about Islam.
True 🔥
A small verse in the holy book of the peacefull community.....
[9:5] But when the forbidden 4 months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.[Quran 9:5-5 (Translated by Yusuf Ali)]
She’s left Islam why criticism just move on if you’re happy now .. she’s obviously not
@@mohammedibrar3299 People, who have successfully escaped a cult, warn others. She's glad she's out of Islam. She is angry that Muslims kill apostates. I hope that answers your questions. Feel free to make your same comment on the Ex-Mormon, Ex-Jehovah Witness social media sites.
@@annegreengables6367 it’s not a cult . Cults are different they have satanic influences . Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world even pop stars have reverted . This women suffered from made up traditions nothing to do with Islam .
When Muslims are minorities they're very concerned with minorities rights and Religious freedom. When they're the majority, there's no minority rights
That goes the same for non muslims too against muslims
@@longjunior7638 name 1 country!
@@bryanbradley6871 china persecution against Uyghurs, France banning religious freedom, Sweden burning Quran, Hindu persecution against Muslims in Kashmir, Iraq invasion, usa imperialism in the Middle East. Want me to name more?
@@longjunior7638 can you name any jewish or christian or hindu (india) country that discriminates other religions. I mean look how christians are treated in Pakistan, Iran, Afghan etc similar thing for jews.
@@longjunior7638 - yes can you give an example ?
Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing
Is that the new meme for idiot cow-worshippers to mimic without the faintest understanding? If you had a modicum of intelligence, Nama, you would realize had they not "felt shame" or had a sense of honor then they would not feel uncomfortable with treachery. Understood?
That saying encapsulates the conduct of all hateful persons, hate and fear twist the mind.
Well said. All hail the cow worshiper.
There's no point in arguing with someone who comes up with thoughts like yours. Look up "mithaq" and "Kalima". Is that not a contract? Look up "revealed religion and wahy" and "ideology." Differentiate between them.
@@VIkKNIGHTSTEMPLAR No, because swineflesh is filthy and haram.
@@meowisla2032 there is no point in debating with these people brother they are just too arrogant and hypocrite to understand anything if you present a claim fro the Qur'an with authentic hadeeth they will just cop out saying taqqiya. They are saying we are offended at anything however the truth is just like religion things are sacred in the world regardless of religion for example in india cows are sacred to hindus if you are even doubted about eating a cow they will come in numbers and kill you like the cowards they are if you are truly an indian that respect the country would you like if a Kashmiri burns the Indian Flag the answer should be no because it is a part that is sacred to us. let me point out the hypocrisy of France you can't desecrate the flag of france what about freedom of speech or expression there some western countries have banned hijab in workplace where is the freedom of speech you are talking about you can wear anything you say but if a woman want to wear a hijab and cover herself properly you have a problem with that in India Aamir Khan once said that he sometimes he fear for his family in india and all people were outraged and telling him to go to Pakistan just because he is a Muslim .What i seeare arrogant ignorant hypocrites who are too blind to see the truth .
His level of evasion in answering the question on apostasy says it all. I'm in awe of her bravery.
Q-Why did you leave Islam?
A -"Because I got educated."....
by who did you get educated?
@@adreeshussain2324 It's actually 'by whom did you get educated'. But don't worry, pay attention to the what the hate mongering prophets are teaching you in madrassas. You have to free Palestine and the Rome and then the entire west, keep spreading the religion of peace with ammunition.
@@zainanwar2253 The same people also treat her as equal to a man and don't confine her to household chores for the rest of her life. And most importantly they don't force her to dress up as a ninja all the time.
@@metallicarifflover 'by whom did you get educated'. Incorrect, your grammer implies a single source 'whom' is the word used to replace 'him' or 'her' when i use the word who it opens the conversation up to establishments. Stupid people like you on youtube is whats causing the problem.
Signed english language graduate. Btw what are you qualified in?
@@metallicarifflover oh and for future reference 'And' is not the start of a sentence, maybe go back to primary school and learn english?
Bless this woman for standing up for what she believes.
Talking over other people isn't standing up for what you believe, it's being rude first and foremost, and it's imposing your views on other people. Very much do as I say, not as I do, was she not?
@@demoncard1180 if your talkin bout the apostate lady, I thought she was great.
@@demoncard1180 Yes. The lady apostate was fantastic.
@@demoncard1180yeah, because none of the Weasley Muslim apologists were ever rude, and didn't try talking over her 🙄
U r prophet married a 6 yr old called Aisha
That woman has some balls. Respect. It takes courage to go in a room where almost no one agrees with you and be this vocal.
Balls?
@@Smithpolly - Yeah, women just tend to carry theirs a little closer then men.
@@veovis523 Really? Where?
@@Smithpolly It's an idiom, it doesn't have to be physically real.
@@jeannedarc7533 Isn't it worth thinking about the idioms we use. and the message they give?
"Why did you leave Islam"?
"I got educated",
That is a clapback and a half , damn....🤣 🤣 🔥
yes, an educated person cannot believe not only Islam any religion
science is inversely proportional to religion
@@rameshpn9992 Isaac Newton was a christian pal
@@ericsonofjohn9384 Issac newton is not blind in religious, if so he will be no where, ambedkar is hindu, gandhi is hindu Abdul kalam is a muslim it doesn't mean that they are true follower, my opinion may be wrong
@@rameshpn9992 Newton was a true follower. The reason he expected the universe to have laws and be predictable was because he thought it was designed by intelligence.
It’s only a very modern interpretation that science is opposed to religion.
@@ericsonofjohn9384 not only him most of the major scientists was at least at least agnostic. they cant be atheists because the evidence is too huge.
The ex-muslim lady is very brave good on her 👏👍🌹
she is a self centred egotistical hormonal cow
@Chen YP you are also getting a bit hormonal
I hope she is still alive
She could b murdered instantly, if she had said the same thing outside Britain. It's clear that part of the audience want to gag her and shut her up
Would you describe this [SENTINEL ENTITY] as hormonal if it declared its support for the [RESPECTED LADY], @x5spoonman ? You would be fundamentally mistaken about its nature if you were to do so.
[WE ARE ALL ONE] [ARE WE ALL ONE]
the very fact that the first guy can't give a straightforward response is all the evidence you need
Exactly
A so-called "moderate" who can't condemn a radical, but the media will still treat him as if he were a moderate.
Yes Jonathan, yes.
He did. He said it ("apostasy") only applied during sedition and treason. He said it many times over. There have been cases were people left Islam during Muhammads time and never received the death penalty.
@Kaptan William true
Abdullah: says something entirely meaningless
Crowd: clap clap clap
That's what it is about these types of audience's I just find disappointing, it's almost as though they're programmed to applaud anyone who says anything even remotely outrageous
The fact that they can’t give direct answers to questions tells me they are lying!
What kind of logic is that
They are not lying. They are ashamed to admit the backwardness and barbaric nature of their religion.
@Belajar can you please define the word "Taqiyah" to us non-believers.
That dude was talking a lot, but he didn't say anything.
Well that's every muslim ever in any debate
Because he can't justify his position
Like the Kufaar NPC's surrounding him. Unless you count "if izlom true why i die" as an argument ( you do which is why you are an NPC).
@David Martin stupid people tend to be poor at distinguishing their own biases from nuances and from contradiction. Their is no irony you're just a moron on top of being a dishonest infidel. Aren't you supposed to be "debating" genders with the other degenerates? What is your pronoun? Zur? zew? zow????
He's a disgusting apologist. Never once answered a question
Nobody in their right mind is going to trust someone who avoids a simple question
Extremely disturbing attitudes from several of the Muslims in this discussion.
I'd have to say, the bald-headed guy had the most disturbing attitude.
Truly a religion of peace.
"I got educated" .... enough said ! ☺
"I left Islam because I got educated!"
Islamophobe: someone who knows too much about Islam.
Not too much, just enough.
What is a Rothschild zionst?
Great comment, you are so right!
You should read into islam. It is not how the media portrays it. Look without judgement and only read things you can find the background of: things you can trace back to where it begun. Dont read the mainstream media and read things that are from way back. When there were no muslims in europe. Read that. I do have to warn you that it is extremely much work but if you do it correctly, you will find that the islam is indeed the real religion. There is this dutch polititian, called Joram van Klaveren. He was fighting islam for years and years. Until he got the task to write a book about how bad islam was. He begun.. and he traced the information he believed back and saw that it wasnt true. looked rationally at his own belief (christianity) and islam. Search him on youtube im sure you will find something. I think you should do the same. Everyone. And if you dont want to, then just dont.
@@moussamadmar8078 you should read about the Jews, the treaty of al hudaibiya, the armenians, the syrian christians, millions and millions of hindus, buddhists, hundreds of burnt libraries, millions of raped women, countless beheaded children, forced conversions, genital mutilation, torture , takeover of lands by force and most importantly playing victim whenever slapped with consequences. Im a first hand sufferer of Islamic barbarism. i don't need media to tell me what ive witnessed growing up in Kashmir. you might wanna look that up too.. STOP PATRONIZING MURDERERS
See the look on those Islamists faces. They want to tear her to pieces. I hope that lady has security when she leaves.
Taqiyya&Taharrush lol...😂😂
It's so frustrating that they just won't answer a question straight and honest. Never thought I'd side with Kate Smurthwaite, but they're pushing me to.
I'd tear dat ass
I like your name. I think the lady wanted more than once to point to the Taqqiyya concept in Islam but they interrupted her!
I was thinking the same. What would happen if she was at home or in an Islamic centre instead of a programme show with them all?
These kinds of debates used to take place in medieval Europe, today no one gives a damn. This is the contribution of Islam in Europe, to bring us back to these sterile discussions that are simply about power, fear, and violence. In the meanwhile, we are not dealing with real and forward thinking.
I profoundly agree. Almost despite ourselves we managed to escape from our ancestors stupid prejudices.
The truth is of course uncomfortable and you won't hear it on TV. Mary Tudor would have been perfectly justified in killing all those people - if what she believed was true. I cou.ld give other examples. Of course none of the imaginary freinds were real. And Allah is not real. Hopefully people will also free themselves from him.
"The great god Zeus had temples here and thither. Now he's just a crossword filler ".
@davy boy your ✅.....and we could/should work/help each other and the environment instead. I remember years ago as a student watching stuff on TV 📺 with a bunch of guys from about 4 different countries and/on 3 different continents. History stuff but fun. Kenya 🇰🇪 guy turned to me "....Steve everyone's ancestors make a good film 🎥 ".
Mary Tudor would NOT have been justified, Jesus commands are clear, love your enemies.
@@Dante-vf4sd your perfectly correct in terms of say modern theology. Not from the point of view of the priests who surrounded her at the time. They might have argued that not to act as they did would condem unborn generations to hell...the fate of heretics cut off from the churches light.
In terms of your central argument.....as someone who knows a bit of history the following statment is a paraphrase of actual arguments used by the inquisitors "My son we did show them love. In the agony of the flames - even in the last instant I truly believe 🙏 they recanted and were saved".
@@stephensinclair3771 There is no modern or contemporary theology, there are acts of true Christians and acts of fallen mankind for their own gain. It's not relevant what people do or say, claiming "I'm a Christian", or "we must do this for the greater good" or whatever, the only relevant information is what is the commandments of the Son of God. Everything contrary to it is not done in His name, it is not the act of a Christian, it's the act of a fallen man. Whatever the reason they would do good or evil actions for their own gain, it was what was in their heart that lead their actions, not anything else.
Being a Muslim apologist must be one of the hardest jobs out there. Damn!!!
I wouldn't say so. You just need to xonci ce yourself Islam is true and lie every damn day. That's just about it.
Imagine being the pr-advisor!
no, its not dude, there are so many brain-dead people that will cheer for you no matter what even in the west, an Islamic apologist once said something along the lines of, a 11-month baby with precocious puberty can be married off and have s3x with, and the followers don't see a problem with that. The situation is unimaginably bad.
As I former Muslim I must agree😂
You should listen or read counter narrative against the prevalent narrative in islam,presented by Javed Ahmad ghamidi, a pakistani scholar. Many of your doubts will be cleared.
Q: is apostasy a crime?
A: well no...... But yes
They fear their God.. fear of God was fear of doing bad things to encounter the punishment, not fearing a punishment for saying the right thing. I am a Christian but if yiu ask me if it is right to stone people like Moses said was the law at the time i would say no, but we had an advancment with Jesus that already abolished the law of stoning and circumcision and jewish food list and other prohibitions. Islam even if it came 600 years after Jesus it is like it came back at the time of Moses when the people were not very civilized and they needed different rules to have justice. Islam does not allow (if it doesn't evolve by itself, or accepting Jesus as the Messia) separation between state constitution and religion and it is difficult to find real islamic countries with true freedom of speech, freedom of religion or any other freedom that secular countries have. And we have more wealth and happiness in these secular countries where the people it is free to express each other without harming others forcing them to do what they pretend to be right. They can advice them, but violence is a crime for my religion and for the constitution of any modern state.
@@giannigiovanni2826 Al lah is Satan..
Yes it is.
🤣🤗🤗🤗😊
@@joehouston2833 It is weird that they do not notice it or that they stay in denial for so long .. Their fear prevents them from thinking and they lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam
Refusal to condemn is indicative of support.
got to disagree, that's just group think bs
@@stegemme
Group think? If any one individual refuses to condemn an action, that heavily suggests their support of that action, else theyd just condemn the action.
In cases of individuals whose belief system centres around principles that they may privately condemn, but refuse to do so in a public forum to avoid criticism of their belief, their personal beliefs may not support these ideas, but their actions (or lack thereof) in not condemning these ideas certainly is supportive.
Can you think of any morally acceptable reason not to condemn, for example, the murder of homosexuals that isnt indicative of support of the idea?
Logical, I agree
Oh. Then you support the genocide in Yemen? The attacks in New Zealand? The synagogue shootings in Pittsburgh? Nazi marchers in Chancellorsville? IDF shooting people behind a fence while they were praying as settlers made picnics to spectate? Bombing of 61 Mosques in Gaza, and schools and hospitals? A future war with Iran?
@@loomick Yeah, and what if, like the Muslims of Sri Lanka, they not only condemn the attacks, but try to warn authorities before they happen? Are you going to give credit? Or what about the fatwah against ISIS that was made by the Mufti of Saudi Arabia? Do you credit that? Or the thousands of Indian Muslims that condemned ISIS? Or Muslims that have marched against terrorism more than once in various parts of the world, or made speeches or written books against it?
My ancestors committed genocide upon the Native Americans. I know how this plays out. You make up to bar for the Other to pass over or some hoop for them to jump through and then you threaten violence if they don't do that. With the Native Americans, it was prayer villages where they had to dress like Europeans and worship Jesus. After that was when the death march known as the Trail of Tears began. They were marched from North Carolina to Oklahoma. Thousands died- after they assimilated.
German Jews were as assimilated as it is possible to be. Condemning stuff didn't save them. The Nazis were just looking for an excuse to do what they already had in mind to do.
I blame Muhammad, I love that. She has a lot of guts, Amen to that! Can you just imagine what would happen to her if she said that in an Islamic nation on live telivision??
What would happen
@Triple5Soul Nothing really considering all the "islamic" nation leaders drink, eat pork and do everything non muslim its all a publicitiy stunt to keep the people in fear, there is no islamic ruling to kill apostates, you must look into the history of which allowed for the "killing" of apostates lmao
@Triple5Soul Show me what quran says to do with apostates and consider the historical context and tell me why the ruling was made, until you tell me these 3, then i will respond otherwise you can continue spreading whatever satisfies you but leave muslims as people alone you obviously read the points of view that confirm your beliefs rather than read the side of the opposition.
@Triple5Soul When someone tells you to do your research it doesnt mean copy paste something thats already wrong LOL do you want me to respond ot now?
@Triple5Soul LMAOOOO your school system has failed you guys Listen im not gonna respond if you wanna hear the truth or the opposing side you can respond to this (about the ruling on apostates) and if not have a good day
He's the kind of guy that takes 10 minutes to answer a waiter asking what he'd like to order
😂
Abdullah was asked what he wanted on his pizza... five years later he is still talking about wrestling
Hahahahahahahahaa
Typical islamist they cant give you a straight answer always avoiding the question.
That's what they do. Spew cheap rhetoric and get applause from mind numb idiots. They can't debate on facts, ever.
Too many "tafsir". misinterpreted all of the questions
Listen here you little shit
JUST ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION!!
Religious beliefs causes war. Just be a good human being and be kind to others
@@zakihamraz328 no.. hinduism buddhism sikkhism jainism brahma samaj - they existed for centuries without any war. It is the prophecy of world domination and blasphemy apostacy laws that causes war and violence.
@Ashy All superstitious nonsense.
@@0816M3RCtry reading upnishads
"Another ground breaking discussion on why Islam is bad" yes exactly
Yes but so is judaism
@@rebikhalifa8375 True
Watching this again after 3 years and it’s still stunning to watch Abdullah evade answering the questions
If I got a dollar for every single discussion I watch where islamic scholars
just dodge simple "yes or no" questions with some other topic, I'd be rich.
Vaapadmaster Mace - actually, the black guy tried to answer that the Hadith injunction to kill apostates was a political and not a religious one, same way as Queen Elizabeth hunted out Catholics I suppose, but he got shouted down by the chick in the front row rather hysterically
Seems like the apostasy question is the one that they don't like to answer.
pottyboyler: Yeah, no. No comparison to the Catholic vs. Protestant thing. At all. Read something.
MulMhmm: Of course they don't. It exposes the cultish nature of their religion. It's uncomfortable for most Muslims, as it should be.
kalikala D - I was referring to the specific point made by a specific person in this debate, not to a wider theological question. Clearly, you need to heed your own advice.
That woman is extremely brave!!
Jabir Bin Hayyan - What specifically about her behavior would you consider mentally ill? She presents herself as a 21st century thinking woman who is equal to every other human. Kudos to her and her bravery!
Jabir Bin Hayyan - I get a vibe of nervousness from her but when you’re opening a show that seems reasonable.
Neuroticism is not classified as a mental illness which you’re claiming she has. Do you know this woman because it’s a LONG TERM condition not something that is displayed short term like a 30 min show. So unless you have an ongoing connection with her there’s no possible way you can say she’s neurotic.
She’s using personal and anecdotal experiences because she was asked “why did YOU leave Islam? (0:55)
(6:07) She refers to taqiyya and is calling him out for lying to further the cause of Islam. She is making an accurate claim here. He’s denying and can’t provide a clear answer.
(6:27) She asks him why he is lying about the Sharia. This is a great question from her because she’s calling him out for his saying there is no Sharia legal stance against apostates when in fact that’s what the topic of the show is.
(7:20) She’s calling out the fact that you can witness Haitham al Haddad support the of killing of apostates, FGM, and wife beating on RUclips which is accurate.
(8:51) She’s relaying her experience that she was raised without a choice to leave Islam. She further clarifies that it is not in the Quran but the Hadith, which is true. Her point is supported by countless others on RUclips who claim they fear for their lives if the come out as non-believers.
(10:52) She explains more people are in the closet about not believing in Islam than those converting to Islam. I don’t know if her claim is accurate because Islam silences the voices of those wanting to leave. They fear being kicked out by their families in the West or being killed if they live in a Sharia State. However, she is there as a representative of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain and most likely hears the stories of people who feel silenced by The Hadith’s stance on apostasy and reach out to her organization for help. I don’t find this claim to be illogical or painting a broad conclusion as you might see it. I do think it would be helpful for her to present data if she has any.
I can go through the rest of the video comment-by-comment but I don’t see what you see. She doesn’t seem bitter or non-academic. She indeed comes across as having a voice and an opinion based on her and others’ experiences and which I find credible and valid.
In conclusion, I feel the original poster on this thread is accurate in labeling her as “extremely brave.”
Jabir Bin Hayyan - A personality trait is NOT a mental illness like you originally claimed. I don’t even see glimpses of neurotic tendencies. Please feel free to time stamp instances where you observe them.
She doesn’t call him a liar. She says he’s engaged in “trickery” because he won’t answer the host’s question. If he was being straight forward he wouldn’t of tried turning-the-table on the question he would of said something like I’m not here to denounce any person specifically but I’ll denounce FGM, wife beating, and the killing of apostates and gays. Instead he deflects and twists then only denounced FGM when pressed BUT is conveniently silent about denouncing the other three forms of torture/death. Any civilized person should be able to denounce FGM, wife beating, and the killing of apostates and gays with directness and ease. His inability to do that speaks volumes about where he stands on these barbaric rituals.
Jabir Bin Hayyan - Please time stamp where she calls him a liar because it’s not in the video I’m watching.
Key signs and symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder include:
Intense fear of abandonment
Unstable personal relationships
Unstable or distorted self-image
Risky, reckless or impulsive behaviors
Self-harming behavior, which may include suicide attempts or threats
Recurring feelings of emptiness or boredom
Depression and anxiety
Intense outbursts of anger followed by shame or guilt
Dissociative feelings, loss of contact with reality
It takes a professional several sessions and testing to make such a diagnosis and even then it is often misdiagnosed. I think you’re way out of line to even suggest she’s got mental illness let alone diagnose her with a specific mental disorder when she shows none of the key symptoms.
As far as her being passive-aggressive I don’t see it. She’s very straight forward and assertive which is opposite to being passive-aggressive.
Good luck to you and I hope you’ll reconsider hurling unfounded ad hominem attacks on people who disagree with your ideology in the future.
Jabir Bin Hayyan It is illogical to believe such nonsense, there is not a shred of evidence that an imaginary being exists just because someone says so. This woman has more balls than you do, you know it’s nonsense but haven’t the guts to say so.
5 years later and there's no way this discussion would be aired. No matter what you feel about the issue, this should be considered a huge problem by everyone.
That's also an issue with social media sites where private companies such as RUclips have such a broad reach that when they decide to ban a video or comment that pretty much wipes it out. Some of their decisions I might agree with and others not but it is open to question who gets to decide what people see
I love watching adults argue over dusty comic books. A poor mans Comic Con.
The prophets are basically avengers
It would be great if the "rent a crowd" stopped clapping everytime they heard a remark even when it makes no sense at all
Yeah I was annoyed about it too. The Muslims in this debate could not give a straight answer but gets the most claps.. Smh.
It cracks me up how well they evade questions and won't clearly answer hardly anything.
In evading the questions, they are effectively answering them.
I would argue that they didn’t evade them well at all lol
@@TaylorzWorld1 Think about it. It's not complicated. If you refuse to answer a question on whether or not you advocate something awful, then it's fairly obvious you DO advocate it.
Because they are constantly on the back foot, defending there backward 7th century ideology. Islam refuses to adapt to changes in attitudes, and I'm not just talking about the religious aspect, more so the political aspect, as outlined by the lady in this video. FGM, stoning for adultery, death for apostates, a woman's word being worth half that of a man, polygamy, incest, paedophilia, the list goes on. And all these practices are sanctioned in the Qur'an, even now, in the 21st century, Muslims refuse to aknowlege what is, or why these practices are wrong. Yet they continue to migrate to countries that are more libertarian, and have contradictory views to Islam.
@@hermanmunster3358 yep but like it or not China got the right idea and will not accept dictatorship by Islamic freaks
The Muslims didn’t answer the straight questions because they know they will show what Islam really says. 😁
This is brilliant. Until this video gets pulled down by the silencers as “Islamophobic”
geess007 your right mate , they never answer..
9:50 Brave, female, educated, articulate, honest, clear as water and outspoken. Possibly one of the best qualities in a frozen but a Muslim’s worst nightmare.
Mad respect for Usama Hasan who is a practicing Muslim but is honest about Islam in the modern age and doesn't cut corners or evade questions like the Imam. He is always calm and collected in his arguments.
Where does Sperm come from? Where does the sun go at night?
The British Muslims want to have the cake and eat it too, they like the freedom and liberty of a free country but at the same time upholding values that that suppress liberty and freedom
They like cake.. especially sky cake 😀
And there's nothing you can do about it :p
The Batman forget Batman and robin. I’m robin you with a bat man.
U mean the islamic teachings and law is unacceptable according to ur view point therefore justified that people (muslims) need to follow ur view?? Just because u dont like it therefore justified other people need to change it?? Is that what u were trying to say??
Then im asking u, why do other people need to change things just because u didnt like it?? U are free to talk bout things u dont like or disaggree with but u cannot and should not impossed ur view point on others. I like blue and u like red, therefore i need to change my fav colours to your fav colours then?? Freedom of speech doesnt grants u a *ruler* for others to follow.
mohd azroy bin ahmad Orange if blue said destroy all the red off the earth, than yes I think he would have a good cause to speak on the issues with blue.. man you aren’t too intelligent 🤨
Amal is a strong lady . Thank you for speaking the truth and for staying on point
Strong lady which can't seem to stop thinking about Islam after she left it. She's quite weak.
@@clumsypentagon8939 You can't seem to stop thinking about her, with all the comments you have made. Meanwhile she has no idea an insignificant loser like you exists. Seems to me you're the weak one.
@@donutman1101 to an idiot (you) any thing can seem like everything.
@@clumsypentagon8939 she’s bringing awareness to how backward some of the points of the Quran are. Sit down, you’re embarrassing yourself
@@clumsypentagon8939 It takes so much courage to leave Islam and declare your apostasy publicly.
I left Islam too and I hope European countries will remember we exist and wont purge all of us if they ever go full fascist.
Lol, the guy at 4:04 is completely stuttering when asked if apostasy should be considered a capital offense. The guy is working so hard at hiding the truth. His face reveals it...
They will never answer a question: deflection, distraction, playing the oppressed victims...... Just be vigilant and aware.
He is a liar and will dodge and swerve any question which put's Islam in a bad light. First excuse - it is all because of you colonialists -
1st rule of Islamic debate, always move to put the blame on the west first, try and establish some sort of moral high ground from which you can attack.
2nd rule of Islamic debate, never give a direct answer unless it is benificial.
3rd rule - lie through your teeth if you cannot evade the question.
As if we care what lowlife chavs like you think of us hahahahha
My family is Hindu, 2 years back i told my parents that I am atheist. My parents were like cool, NP at all. They only requested me to take part in festivals in which the family involved, so that I could spend time with them. As per me, that is a fair request
Same here bro 🙋
I see. No need of nastiness in your religion/culture. It makes quite a difference with Pakistanis.
This is the beauty of Hindu people.
@@dyschromotopia Hindu parents are cool about religion . My parents are devotee Hindu and my sister is athiest. My parents never force her to follow religion or workship god. On the other hand my sister wants me to became athiest.😂 Currently I am studying my religion through Indian monk Sadhguru and I am happy.
Sanket Bhagat yeah my brother too is an atheist but I follow Sadhguru for spirituality and my mom on and off follows traditional bhakti !!! so every member of family may not follow same traditions or practices there’s no COMPULSION thtz y its beautiful
Q: is apostasy a crime ?
A: Your are being very rude at me this is islamophobia !
shut up
@@saifmusa5147 I can make a drawing if you prefer x'D !
Man it must be hard for Abdullah to answer surveys:
Survey: Do you prefer
1: Chocolate ice cream
2: Vanilla Ice cream
Abdullah: So first let's put in perspective the first person to refine chocolate, what he meant to do, and now how we use it. It all started in ...
So you don't like context. Makes sense with that picture.
@@crabjuice47 Oh I know about how you Muslims try to use context as an excuse and I also know why it fails.
You wanna talk about it?
😂
@@crabjuice47 Thought so. Coward.
The dishonesty of the Muslim guy is epic. The shunning is done by some Christians as well, but the death penalty - solidly anchored in Islamic law - is absent.
+Mark H your comment:The shunning is done by some Christians
Ans: They are sinning if they do. Christians are suppose to follow the New Testament. Anyone going after an ex-Christian needs to here the following:
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
In my family we have Agnostics, Christians and Judaism. Shame on the people who are doing this because by their own religion judging is not allowed.
+Draconis Dragonheart
I would also point out the parable of the weeds in the wheat. The master tells his workers to leave the weeds alone and leave the harvest to God.
Mark H Very good point and thank you so much.
+Mark H Exactly, my grandparents were jehovah witnesses and if you broke any of the christian rules sex, before marriage, drinking, clubing, smoking, etc. and the people of your congregation found out you would get ex-communicated. Even your own family was encouraged to have no ties to you, but you don't have to worry about them killing you. Only in islam
+Mark H religion or any other philosophy is a shit , an non exclusive open philosophy whould be where the world move religion or political
Barely four minutes into the video, right after that young lady had been talking about the disgraceful treatment she’s received from many in her community for renouncing her faith and the first words out the Muslim apologist’s mouth are whining about how his religion is being unfairly maligned. Instant strawman! LOL And then, astonishingly, blaming apostasy laws in Islamic countries with Sharia law on western colonialism! Simply unbelievable.
I feel you man, as an exmoose, those apologetics make me boil inside, they have ZERO intellectual honestly, and their need to preserve Islam's image is their first and foremost directive! Sickening brainwashed Muslim apologetics, they surround me like a plague.
The host needs to put his foot down and demand straight forward answers, because they just keep playing the victim and using other faulty logic.
TheSabatuer Having watched quite a few of these programs where this always seems to be the case, I think Nicky is well used to their dissembling by now. It’s just completely maddening to listen to these asshats weaseling around every question and refusing to clearly state their views on things. By the way, just a note for future reference, “apologetics” is the rubbish spewed to explain or justify religion and “apologists” are those who do it. :)
Thanks, noted! Yeah ive watched most of the episodes, i really enjoy this program. That other exmoose was right, there are tons of teachings in Islam that are ment to scare from apostates, plus its true that muslims have it written in the Quran that its permissible to lie and sheet to maintain and spread the word of Islam, especially towards "infidels"
TheSabatuer Yep, I'm familiar with the principle of _taqiyyah_, although they would argue that "holy deceit" is only applicable under certain circumstances and not something they routinely engage in when talking to kafir. (cough)
Downright lies, where i live its standard practice.
This was 8yrs back. Things are growing for exmuslims. Best wishes
What is islam afraid of? - truth, reason, logic and questioning?
Falshood.
I and my wife are ex Muslims and we have had to move town because of our treatment and death threats by our own family and friends and community, enough said.
This is so sad. To lose your family and friends..... I hope you manage to lead a free and fruitful life.
My husband and I recently became ex Muslims too. Best decision we've made!
Your new family is here. I’m sorry your family chose ideology over you
I hope many more see the wise ways and liberties and freedoms of the west.
Bob Ski for now it’s freedom
What a shock the muslim guy couldn't answer the question.
so will you disown your government which regularly sells weapons to vicious tyrants inc saudi government which epitomizes the worst of what you think of as islam..
i am not aware that he failed to answer any pertinent question..
you - by contrast - have so far failed to answer mine ??
Oh he COULD answer. He just wouldn't. It's called taquiiyah. I know I spelled that wrong but look it up. The apostate girl, who seems even smarter than Milo on this show to be honest, tries to talk about it but the muslims shout her down as soon as they hear her mention the word.
@@w0bbl3r
"Did he disown that guy who said YES to that question, and many others like FGM, gay murder?"
the pertinent question was about his *OWN* opinions and he made it as clear as he could where he stood on FGM..
i might have a very different opinion on Israel to someone else while agreeing on other subjects.. so it would be infantile to disown an entire person for one opinion that at one time they might have held..
"He ... outright lied when he answered the few he decided to"
please provide at least one example of that and provide some credible evidence to back up that accusation ??
"I remember the days of the satanic verses by Salman Rushdie, and the tens of thousands of peaceful tolerant muslims in the streets of the UK demanding the british government either cut off his head or send him to Iran so they could do it."
so do i and i remember going to talk to the most extreme advocates of that theology and policy..
i was horrified by the clear danger that they were going to be for everyone in this country.. i also noted that they were converts to islam.. there is no one more zealous and with more to prove than a convert.. and you may have noticed yourself that many crazy suicide bombers in this country have not been particularly of Muslim heritage - but are disturbed people who have converted to islam out of desperation..
this man here by contrast is not exhibiting any of those opinions and like most Muslims in this country is not looking for a fight with anyone..
@@w0bbl3r
"Will you condemn islamic state"
no problem.. along with UK and US government that through the chaos and mayhem that they created provided the fertile ground for IS to be born..
Mohammed Shafiq- Spends his time interrupting the speaker, then tells her he respected her right to speak. Is this another "translation"?
This lady is brave. One who risks her life is to be believed.
Yeah even the cult leaders right they are to be believed?
@@alexjabocs7573 are their lives threatened too? Or are they the ones threatening others?
Are you serious? Cults are established through manipulation and most of the people in cults are very threatened to get beaten by other members. That's how brainwashed they are. Look up the jones town massacre or Jim jones.
Most of the cults are established thru mostly christianity but the christians wouldn't associate themselves with the cults.
So why must everyone look at ISIS and say that's how all muslims are?
@Frederick The great tell me what makes you say that?
@Frederick The great I'm no troll btw this is called dawah.
If Muslims don’t like the western way of life, why do they still keep coming here!
They plan to overthrow this country and force Islam on the survivors.
Money
Thier countries are all shitholes.
There goal is to take over convert or die. They will say its a religion of peace but it is not.
@Kate Hollowayand u created the world to say who has and hasnt got a right to live here. U ppl r 2 faced and hypocrits u wouldnt xist if islam didnt exist do your history lady
This girl is fantastic. Good on you girl.
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They probably put a hit on her for speaking truth
Faster Hard House they’re paying to argue with her? As in she’s acting so it looks like “if apostasy gets you killed...how is she still alive??” ...so it looks like she bullsh1ts.
Faster Hard House I left islam too and I want to get payed too can you show me where are they paying deconveters I would like to make money too
@@DADA_._ 🤣🤣
Watched multiple videos like this.
Every time the host asks the muslim side a straight question which has a answer in yes or no, like, is there death for apostacy in Islam, they keep avoiding the question. Not one man gives a straight no.
That summarises the faith
This woman is courageous
I love you. Amal
she is easy on the eye too.
The young lady gives me some small hope for the future of humanity.
Why some hope? You can hope fully to discard your spiritual life and be attached only to worldly material benefit and perceive to live in this world for ever.
@@abulazad7838 What is "spiritual life"?
@@Andre_XX It is the eternal life fully for the hereafter and in this worldly life that we only can perceive in your heart to see, hear and understand which you may also call as insight. It is a faculty you can grow being sincere to the truth and only to absolute truth.
@@abulazad7838 We have invented a system for determining as best we can what the truth actually is. It is called "science". And by the way, everything we perceive is done so in the brain, not the heart. Oh, and there is zero proof for any "eternal life". That is a fantasy promoted by religious institutions as a way to gain adherents.
@@Andre_XX Well, you have your way and I have my way. I accept science as you do, but I believe in insight also and when both these oceans of knowledge meet to harmonize and integrate I consider that to be ultimate knowledge and truth. My insight leads me to believe in an unseen world and the eternal life in the hereafter. Best of luck to your worldly life only.
The fact that we are even ASKING this question tells us all we need to know about Islam.
@Douglas waterman ive studied it i agree! had an interesting debate with a muslim other day about reforming it.....i actually got him to admit it needs it!
he was actually an open nice guy about it!
maybe a bit of honest open dialogue about islam and its issues it clearly has lots of is the 1st step to gettin it or how its interpreted reformed....the sooner the better in my eyes!
respect to you for studyin it!
@Jason Kirk ye seen it bud
Poison spreader hiding in western clothes
Exactly that is what I was saying
Its a demonic cult
Short answer yes, long answer ""How dare you".
"then i blame muhammad" and the crowd goes oh my god ! she didnt say peace be upon him !
😂😂😂😂 that was a good one but guess what it's a true thing around muslims I live in a muslim country and when ever I say his name withoit "peace upon him" they try to order me to say it and they would be upset when I refuse
@@DADA_._ just call him Momo
Bin al-Flecki 😂😂😂 its a cute name for such a person ...in my amazigh native language among the unbelievers we call him muhuch / arabic pronunciation : موحوش
Piss be upon him
It's honestly embarrassing that this is even a topic of conversation in 2018.
Its the BBC. They are trying to appeal to the rest of us that they are ok and normal. Fuck that. They are lunatics who kill for the sake of a book. Islam is a threat to our way of life if they have a majority. GTFO of the UK> We do not want you here.
As long as the BBC can squeeze a story out of the suffering that Islam has created...This is the same BBC that knew Gary Glitter, Jimmy Savile and other sickos were preying on kids, but did not say anything, or do anything....
everytime a muslim is asked a question they never really answer it lol, they just babble on with bs
Andi Bergim - because they can’t give a constructive answer. I don’t understand how any westerner could convert to Islam. It’s such an illogical religion.
Its called taqiyya
Donkeys Abdullah
Writing on the Wall taqiyya is lies shiaa muslims use to make their faith better than the sunni muslims faith not all Muslims use taqiyya only shiaa
@@Abu-Yusif exaclty wt i was going to say
Here's a short answer to a big question: Yes.
Here! Saved you 20 mins.
NO
The logic is simple
1. When in minority do what Muhammad did in Mecca. I.e. turn your cheek etc and play peaceful.
2. When in majority convert by force.
3. When arguing with an enlightened crowd claim islamophobia if countered or beat around the bush.
4. When you cannot prove anything, then claim - it requires belief.
5. Quote verses selectively and partially to win an argument without full context to hide the true meaning.
Defend the religion at all costs.
Q: Yes or No?
A: SNOW
Q: YES OR NO?
A: NOSE
@syncmaster913b I know what you mean, but as an ex-muslim myself I have to ask you to please not conflate Islam with its followers. Most Muslims are victims of their own religion and degrading them as individuals just shuts down debates about Islam
@@bear3189b well said
They really don't like answering questions do they?
True. Log in to any discussion with Islamists and this is what happens......deflection, obfuscation, distraction, and playing the victim.
CSB - Muslim must blindly believe in his faith. He has to blindly believe in Allah as the creator God, Mohammad as the beloved prophet of Allah and Quran as the true messages from God. Any one questioning it is consider as blasphemy to his belief system and the person is allege as kafir and should be killed off.
Thats called TAQIYA
In Islam, you need to follow the religion, you cannot question it. If you do, you are an apostate and.....
Totalitarian ideologies don't like being questioned
I come from a muslim family, I have family members who are religious but I'm honestly glad my parents aren't religious otherwise I honestly don't know if I had to go through concequenes leaving this religion
Are you of south asian descent? I am an Indian agnostic born and raised in an Islamic family. My family is religious and I fear the consequences. Have been hiding my lack of faith for 2 years now, while also pretending to be practicing the religion. Crazy right?
It's actually scary that that first Muslim guy that spoke could not answer a straight question. He avoided it like the plague. It is so unbelievable.
Why is it so hard for Muslims to have a civil debate? Appeal to emotion much?
ethan intellekt Being taught only submission, they have no practice for that.
Cris S Exactly, they are taught 'submission' and not 'examination'. They cannot find reasonable arguments to defend, so they resort to tactics like calling critics "Islamophobes" or "racists".
CHAS1422 Well said - spot on.
CHAS1422 True but their very favorite word of all time will always be ....''.racists'' . They use this word for everything /anything and at every opportunity to try to get their own way . Even resorting to blackmail when people stand their grounds!!
ethan intellekt and yet you failed to mention the calm muslim guy on the left. and the african muslim guy too. cherry-picking at its best.
They didn't answer the question in the title. What a shocker.
Wow, the ex muslim says 'Muhammad isnt a prophet to me' and the Muslim says 'this is the kind of thing that makes these conversations nasty. Like wtf, it's just a different opinion and he's here trying to basically represent moderate islam but gets upset that someone says they have another opinion. Who the hell are these guests? I support Quilliam fully but some guests who can string a cohesive sentence together would help
Am I the only one annoyed with the applauses that Muslims give to each other?
I knew a Muslim girl back in the 1980s who married a Scottish Christian lad. Her family completely disowned her. Since then many Muslims seem to have become much more radical. I was warned this would happen by fellow Hindu, Sikh and Anglo-Indian students back in the 1970s. Back then I didn't believe them. Today...I remember what they said all those years ago.
DepotCat that’s... quite haunting, actually.
I had a pamphlet back in the 80s saying we have come to turn britain into a muslim nation but it hasnt happened more and more muslims are turning to the true faith in jesus God always wins always
@@kennethperry7782 I have seen no evidence for any god.
@@kennethperry7782 - Don't sit back and relax. They haven't stopped trying. Just look at that video by Stacey Dooley in Luton made just a few years ago...{Yep. The Stacey Dooley being slagged off as a "white saviour" by that idiot MP David Lammy}. ruclips.net/video/b2nlIfn8tNA/видео.html
India faced the brutal ethnic genocides by muslims
Amazing how they never answered a simple yes or no question with a yes or no answer. Really makes you think.
What’s crazier is the crowd who claps after everything the Muslims are saying even though their absurd and clearly dodging questions.
Why is it so common for Muslims to avoid or not answering controversial questions?
This is how muslim answer simple question with million words with no meaning at all
When a muslim cannot answer a question they say something to distract people
markx seng
I’m a Muslim and i will answer any questions you ask.
The question in the video in simple no.
according to Islam, we should treat Christians and Jews the same as any person.
@@karmawej5720 and that is the problem, what about the other people
@@karmawej5720 what about hindus or atheists???
@@karmawej5720 what about female genital mutilation and women having half value as a man ? and also about mohd having sex with 9 years old ayesha ?
gotta admit the guy kept dodging the question and that looked suspicious
The lady at the start very simply and very calmly explains why any sane human would renounce this religious insanity
It's the 21st century. Time for all religion to be fazed out! Science is the way to go.
it's never gonna happen
Do British Muslims have a problem with apostates? Yes
HQ muslims need t o go and live in their own countries.
i dont, the quran doeznt
A brilliant insight!
Go further all traditional true Muslims have a problem with apostates.
There is no blanket you can put over all Muslims or Christians. Be happy when you find a nice one. Very few exist very few.
Ghandi said He liked Jesus just didn't very much like His followers!
@@michaelpondo6324 thats racist hunny dont sah that
@@girlypop1884 islam is a religion..not race...try to keep up..there are brown/black/white muslims
This Abdullah Al Andalusi is really scaring. Not only he does not answer a straight question about apostasy, but he does not let the ex-Muslim lady talking, using immediately a very strong and authoritarist voice, a reaction which most likely would be much more aggressive if he was not on a public stage...
It's funny how filthy animals like you makes an overtly aggressive portrait of someone who was pretty pacific and calm in order to imply something should be done to him; therefore you start your sentence with apparent fear in order to disavow yourself from the violence you're indirectly calling for.
You're a dishonest piece of crap.
@FAT cat I don't give a fuck about what you think, murtad.
Yet the left blames white christian men at a higher rate for doing the same thing. Double standards at best. It's all meant to destroy western civilization.
@@youbetternotplaythatnashee898 There is so much hate in the way he says things...
@@peps7274 No, there is not. The guy just wants to defend himself from being attacked and interrupted by all sides, even the moderator. You're lying.
Why does the guy with the hat always come on this show? He is ALWAYS on here and he NEVER answers a question. This man is dangerous.
He gets points for answering the female mutilation question.
Perfect Sharia state & Apostate
No answer from Abddullah, dodging it again & again
The prophet dishonoured himself a long time ago. If you think Hitler was evil, Muhammed was on another level.
Please tell me how.
Have you done any research into his biography?
@@king.kaneki.5827 I mean the slavery, the killings, the rapes, the child abuse, the creation of a religion that killed more people than all the wars combined just for being a non believer. You name it, he probably did it.
@@thedave8097 I recommend you do some research and stop your ignorance.
@@thedave8097 Slavery was the norm and practiced throughout the world, in that era. It was practiced way before islam and many of the companions of the prophet were slavea. Islam encourages people to free slaves and there is great reward init. Also the slavery in those days was not based on race, but rather on an individuals status. In the arab world burrying a new born daughter was common practise, islam came to abolish this.
When lslam is only 5% in a country then there is no problem with apostasy but the more it grows the more all sorts of problems grow with it.
@I want her felt that
Exactly - it's insidious because they're playing the game. It's this bad already, and they're a minority. Imagine if that population share raised to 10%. 15%. 20%. 25%. 50%? Do you think they will show you the same level of respect as others have shown them? Not a chance, just this short clip is evidence for that, let alone the masses of other evidence.
@Belajar The political side of lslam is the problem. IMO as it grows fundamentalism grows with it and moderates will be silenced. Apostates would have to go underground as they do in certain other countries.
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@Belajar Then go live in a Muslim majority country. There are plenty of those in the Middle East, Southeast Asia and Africa. Many of those countries operate by Islamic law and won't bother you.
You are rite...becoz I m living in the majority the ppl are Islam...
First rule of Sharia is you don't talk about Sharia
First off this is not my story.
After coming back from Saudi Arabia to my motherland as an Atheist, I felt pity on my aging parents, who are wasting their precious time in praying five times a day, plus in additional midnight prayers. Apart from that, they were always in fear about their death and the tortures they may receive in their graves as per the teachings of Islam. As a filial, loving son, and a responsible human being, I vowed to liberate my beloved parents from the shackles and tyranny of the Islamic dogma.
But it was a very difficult task to explain the faults of religion to people in their 70s so as to change their belief. I explained to my religious parents the complete scenario of my experience in Saudi Arabia: the disrespectful behavior of most of the Saudis and their “(in)hospitality” toward non-Muslims and non-Arab Muslims.
They simply rejected my words and were not prepared to hear anything odd about their Arab brothers. It’s because the non-Arab Muslims hold great reverence for the Saudis, since they belongs to Islam’s holy land, the land of their beloved prophet. Let me, here, make it clear that I do not hate the Saudis, who have been fooled by Prophet Muhammad and his Islam. Instead, I feel pity for them, as they are the first and worst victims of Islam.
Determined to enlighten my parents about the true face of Islam, I persisted and my parents eventually accepted my words about the Saudis. But to absolve Islam of the Saudi’s bad behavior and attitude, they now switched argument: Maybe you are correct, because the bad Saudis had given so much trouble to our beloved prophet during his lifetime.
Here, my parents now tried to shield Prophet Muhammad, the only one Saudi man, thanks to tremendous reverence they hold toward him. Then, I revealed the true character of Muhammad to them from his hadiths, which also make the Saudis behave in such manners. Then they said, they don’t trust the hadiths, as most of them were written by the enemies of Islam.
Since they said they don’t trust the hadiths, I told them, in frustration, to stop praying five times a day, because the Quran never mentions anything about praying five times a day; it is only mentioned in the hadiths.
While Muslims overwhelmingly believe hadiths as the holy tradition of the Prophet, it has now become a new tactic amongst non-Arab Muslims of our age that if a hadith preaches something bout Islam and Muhammad, which is contrary to local ethics and morality, then it is a weak hadith. They are taught by the mullahs that most of the hadiths, which reveals the true character of Muhammad, but does not suit the culture of the locals, were written by the enemies of Islam.
The culture of Saudi Arabia, which fits well with teachings of the Islamic scriptures, can’t fit with cultures of the rest of the World. I like to share with the readers one such “cultural difference”, which I witnessed in Saudi Arabia. I witnessed an old man, aged over 75 years, with his two wives alive, took a third time - a 17 year old Jordanian girl (Because the “cost” of the girl is comparatively cheaper in Jordan. Readers please excuse my language. But this is the reality). As he returned with the young bride, he was given a very warm welcome by his well-educated sons, aged between 40 and 50. They took him on their shoulders, clapping and singing. They don’t even bother about the fate of their own mothers. They shared the joyful moments by praising their father’s “manliness” with their neighbors and friends. The language they used to glorify their father’s “manliness” can’t be explained here, as it is too crude, pornographic. Given the sons were well-educated, we can’t blame their lack of education for such behavior. It is impossible for the civilized societies to adopt such culture, not even by the cultured non-Arab Muslim societies.
The blame lies on the culture, created and encouraged by Muhammad, which can be seen in many hadiths. After all, it’s a central doctrine in Islam that Muslims must emulate the Prophet as best as possible.
So, the mullahs do their best to reject such hadiths, which contradicts the local culture, as non-authentic and weak, although they are from Sahih Al-Bukhari, which Muslims accept as the authentic collection - a book, regarded next to the Quran in the Muslim world.
I explained to my parents about the six authentic collections of hadiths, out of numerous collections. Their faith towards the dogma of Islam was so deep that I failed to convince them in this effort. But I am not of the sort, who would give up easily. So, this time, I showed them the Quranic verses, in which Allah asks Muslims to follow Muhammad’s sunnah and also the other important, but unacceptable, verses of the Quran.
Then my father, in his 70s, also started reading the Quran, like me, in his mother tongue Urdu for the first time. For the past 70 years of his life, he had been reading the Arabic Quran daily, which he didn’t understand. As for my mom, she is an illiterate, like most of the Muslim women of her age in India, and never read the Quran even in Arabic.
After reading a few pages of the Quran in Urdu, in a language that helped him understood the meaning of verses, my father, too, become disturbed because of many unacceptable verses. Having gotten a shock, he started doubting the reliability of the author, the translator and the publisher, and stopped reading it. He now scolded me for purchasing the Quran, which has been printed by the enemies of Islam - either Hindus or Christians.
I was able to convince him with facts that the translation was done by the scholars of Islam, and that it was published for the benefit of Muslims. He now asked me: why Muslims are printing such wrong translations of the Quran?
I told him that those scholars and publishers were not to blame; the problem was his lifelong misunderstood perception of Islam as a divine and perfect creed. My father was not ready to accept my explanations, neither was he ready to read the Quran further - even if it was published by a reliable Muslim publisher - because he was now afraid of losing his faith.
At this point, I tried to encourage him to continue reading it, saying that it was not a good sign that he is afraid of losing his faith. But he totally refused to read it, and I, kind of, failed again in my mission at this point. Here, the readers can sense the level of ignorance amongst moderate Muslims, who know nothing about the real Islam, and their obdurate refusal to enlighten themselves about it.
I continued nurturing hopes that my father would eventually discover the truth about Islam and free himself from its shackles. And It took me almost 10 years for my father to, eventually, read the whole Quran in Urdu. To my joy, he, at the age of 80, showed courage to read it completely. The atrocities perpetrated by Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda over recent years were vital in my convincing him to read and understand the Quran’s messages. Initially, whenever he would hear a news of Al-Qaeda’s heartless terrorist atrocities, he would start abusing Osama. But I used to argue with him so as to defend Osama as the best amongst Muslims as per the teaching of the Quran and hadiths. The atrocities committed by Osama’s Jihadi followers in the name of Islam, coupled with my arguments with him, induced my father to read the Urdu Quran, hoping to understand its real message. All thanks to Osama.
Then my father requested me to brief him about some hadiths, which I had previously tried to explain to him to show Islam in a negative light. But I felt embarrassed to explain the semi-pornographic hadiths about Muhammad to my father, as a major portion of the hadiths glorifies sex and violence. So, I told him to read them by himself, instead of hearing it from someone else to be more credible. He read only a few hadiths and stopped, because he couldn’t go beyond. He had lost his faith already and declared it scrap.
The reading of the Quran, biography of Muhammad and few Hadiths in a language he understood led my father into depression and may have effected his health. He was not able to come out of this shock. He repeatedly asked me, like an innocent child, about the outcome of his 80 years of worship of Islam, and the valuable time he had spent in five-time daily prayers, mid-night prayers and other Islamic deeds. I consoled him by saying not to worry about the past; instead, I encouraged him to feel happier, as he has been freed of the fear of all alleged punishments and tortures during death, in the grave and in the hereafter. He was convinced, but still, he couldn’t tolerate the way he had been cheated by the mullahs all his life. He thanked me for rescuing him from the fear of the horror of the Islamic grave and the Hell.
Sadly, I have lost my beloved father within a few months of his enlightenment about Islam, as he was unable to come to terms with the shock, which not only perished his faith but also deteriorated his health.
He was very dedicated Muslim and spent all his life (except the last few months) praying and reading the Quran in Arabic - “the language of Paradise” - without understanding its meaning. During his last days, he felt heavily not only about his wasted precious years, more so about the way he - an educated and intelligent person - was deceived by the mullahs for 80 years, which accelerated the worsening his health and eventually his death.
This is heart breaking. I often wonder about how people cope with the realisation that they have wasted so much of their life and their life force on religion. A truly sad story.
Don't get panic. You are free to choose your new religion Atheisms. For your kind information, your parents didn't waste their time by praying. At least that gave them discipline and meditation for stress management.
I always get surprise to see people like you, who uses their best intellect to believe that everything comes from nothing or by chance.
A young women had to flee Saudi Arabia for denouncing Islam. The ones who are sent back are never heard from that gain.
"I left Islam-" Say no more they're all triggered!! 😂
''I don't believe in human rights™ anymore but the undying Law of Allah'' Say no more you're all triggered!!
Muslims are the most loyal people to their religion but there are odd fuckers like them who just want to feel they are “free” by eating bacon or some shit. You won’t see too many of these so don’t get excited we still are the most dominant and diverse religion ever
Abdul Habash diverse? 😆😆😆
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Diverse 😂😂
I don't get why, there's plenty of converts to Islam that can easily replace them
First lady is incredibly brave to speak out publicly, and beautiful to boot
i think it was John Keegan in A history of warfare where he said that if you don't see islam as a religion and see islam as an Army, a lot of these "laws and ideas" start to make sense. so leaving islam IS like "sedition". women are not important and neither is art or democracy or secularism.
Don’t ever invite the Muslim who refuses to answer questions Waste of time
Strongly disagree, tgis document reveal how they behave and how dishonest they are
Who is left to invite?
888Sooty
And also don’t let that apostate woman do all the talking and interrupting other speakers all the time.
Froggy Legs your reply speaks volumes about your tolerance. You refer to an ‘apostate’ with a negative inference and a ‘woman’ with a negative inference. Congratulations on highlighting the exact argument being had.
In fact, why not stop the “apostate woman” talking altogether? I must admit though, she ought to cover up! She’s got the nerve to show her face and that’s terrible.
YHVH not hwhy and now we just need someone to come along and reinterpret the words and the meaning now and turn it in to something very innocent and then the cycle is complete.
Abdullah can't give a straight answer.
Yes he can. But he won't. Because the answer will show him as a pro killer of anyone who doesn't agree with him
@Shohel Bhuiyan does the boy know how to read? Yes. Is he stupid? No. He knows what his religion says. But he will not answer a straight question honestly, but just talks around it. Or he lies. I don't have to be a scholar to see the guy is full of hate for anyone who is not Muslim. If you think folks can't see that, you are the fool,not me.
@Shohel Bhuiyan once again, you make a silly excuse for the lies and cowardice of your tow buddies on the show. There were no Christian scholars. No Jewish scholars. Yet everyone else was able to answer the direct question with a direct answer. Your boys must be stupid if they can't. Or perhaps the woman is a better man than they. How about you? Can you answer the question?
@Shohel Bhuiyan bingo! I knew you would not answer the question. But would ignore it or talk around it. Because to answer it will expose you and islam to be hate filled and perverted. The others didn't have lawyers. Can't you and your elk speak for yourself? You have proven my point . Islam is a religion of hate and hiprocy. Your book, the Koran even says to lie about your religion. Followed by bullies and fools.
@Shohel Bhuiyan No it is not. Christianity is. Compare the two. Your god is a god of hate. Mine is of love. Yours teaches violence and vengeance. Mine teaches compassion and forgiveness. Yours teaches you feel superior to others. Mine teaches to be humble. Yours teaches to kill those who disagree with you. Mine teaches to love. Yours is easy to live because it fits with man's nature. Mine teaches to try and live by a higher standard. Islam was invented by a man 1400years ago so he could gain power and wealth. Also live as he wished by saying it was a directive from God. Mine is much harder to live because it requires us to act in ways that are not of man,but of the loard. And still you do not answer the question. Is it ok to kill those who turn away from Islam. Your heart is not pure. Nor is my heart pure. Nobody's is. But Jesus will forgive my sins as I forgive others their sins against me. You still live in yours. But you can still change that.
Jeez, Abdullash Al Andalusi was insufferbly infuriating. He couldn't even a yes or no answer to a straight foward question, which quite frankly goes to show that we know what the answer ultimately was, and why Islamic apologists like him shouldn't be trusted.
Abdullah could answer every question in any exam even if he knew the answer to none
The initial lady is a complete badass.
Fair play to the her.
Notice the man does not address the question of sharia and apostasy.
He can't, without becoming an apostate himself.
The Taqiya is strong with this one
He did he said treason ie many people who left islam joined the non muslim army and fought against muslims. The ones who didnt were not killed
Wiltracy Wjorn taqiyah is a shia doctrine used mostly againat Sunnis
Why not ask the prophet to come on the show?
Saira Khan received death threats and general hate messages after she declared herself non-Muslim.
The reason they are so passionate in their defence of their prophet is that if they faced the truth about the real type of man he was, their beliefs would collapse.