No not easy man! If you look at the clean-up after the 911 attacks in NY it was dangerous all the way through for nearly a year! This one will take less time we hope and safely!👍
I hope that the project administrators keep undue pressure off those workers and let the job take the time it takes to be done safely. We've seen enough tragedy from this event.
Open your eyes, look at the video over the last week, and try to convince yourself that people are working hard. Having the same wreckage static on a barge for a week, and having cranes static and unloaded round the clock are clear evidence that nobody was working at all for the whole week until yesterday
@@jacks5kidsYou don't know anything. Everything had to be surveyed. Plans made. All the ships and people had to arrive. The weather needs to be calm. They are doing really well. This is very dangerous, very hard work.
The time they say it will take will be double the unions will go on strike they will have trouble getting supplies and how are they going to find somebody to be in charge do people really believe what the higher people in charge will say how long did it take to build the trade center
Who says they are making excellent progress? Do some fact checking. Two pieces of wreckage were hoisted 9 days ago, and none from then for 8 whole days. The same 200-ton chunk sat static on a barge for a whole week. All the cranes are motionless. There is no division of the task into multiple sites. The only thing that moves in the live-streaming videos are the seagulls. For a whole week we were fed looping videos of the same two pairs of men with cutting torches. ANd they are lying about clearing channels. The so-called clear channels are under intact sections of the bridge where no wreckage fell and no wreckage was lifted. None of this is evidence of excellent progress.
@@jacks5kids They have mapped the debris in 3D by sonar, installed strain gauges, cleared two side channels (checked to make sure there were no hazards and maybe dredged them a bit), and removed a few chunks of girders. Not bad for "doing nothing". Clearing the cargo containers is a tedious activity. Check a container for damage, rig it, lift it, place it on the barge ... repeat. More workers and cranes would just get in each others' way.
@@curiouscat3384 One simple piece of fact checking for you: The same 200-ton piece of wreckage sat for 8 days motionless on a barge. My source is multiple live-streamed video that we can all see. Thanks for your kind wishes; God does bless my wonderful five children, now all adults. Also look at how often we are told that bad weather makes things difficult while we see video of calm water.
Not even close. Most people are doing nothing. A receptionist in a hospital does a far more dangerous job, coming into contact with hundreds of sick people every day
It's going to take as long as it takes. The important thing is no one is killed or I jured. Everyone needs to back off the pressure and find something else to do.
0:15 - Are you sure you've got that "radius of 3 nautical miles" part correct? That covers a ridiculously large area - almost all the way up to where the harbor splits at Fort McHenry. Anybody with a drone even 2 nautical miles away wouldn't be seeing more than tiny specs in the image, let alone be getting in the way of any operation.
Can anybody explain why there needs to be this kind of strict censorship? Why can the press in the Free World not be allowed to view what is really happening except through government controlled sources? Is this North Korea or the USA?
Yes, 3 nautical miles (5.556km) is correct. Especially in the foggy, hazy conditions you cant's see much even with good optics. Why the authorities in the "Land of the Free" appply such comprehensive censorship is cause for concern and suspicion that the authorities are lying; and lying they certainly are.
so let's see the totals for this, today is monday,7pm pst, how many containers have been unloaded and how many tons of bridge have been removed?? when the 1,000 ton crane is removing containers it sure isn't removing large bridge chunks. and yes I realize sometimes you need the bigger machine for the reach it has
That's unlikely. The planning and engineering of such a massive project would take at least a decade, and then it would likely take another two decades to construct a tunnel. That is of course, reliant on the geography of the area being appropriate for an endeavour of that magnitude.
Hopefully they're working hard to figure out how this happened. Sounds like the Captain saved many lives, but what exactly happened to disable that ship, did it just break down, was there sabotage, were the systems hacked somehow? You can't build bridges strong enough to withstand millions of pounds out of control, so hopefully they're hitting that angle hard. Prayers for those families for sure!
I’d like to know if the port of Baltimore is working on new safety regulations to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. For instance, why was the Dali making its own way out of the port, why no tugboats to guide its way past the bridge? 🤷♀️🤔
Not just Baltimore, every US port. The NTSB failed to ensure that this bridge was safe from the risks of malfunctioning large ships passing beneath. Now the NTSB is investigating its own failure. That is clearly a bad idea, so we cannot be sure that they will find themselves guilty of fatal negligence and fix their own failings.
The bridge was built before proper protection was required. Every bridge after 1980 requires proper protection. So that will be around the new bridge when built. These boats are too big for tugs except for docking.
@@regould221 Right. So the NTSB has to explain to the public why it allowed ships that are too big for the bridge's protection to pass unaccompanied under the bridge. Here's the problem: The NTSB is investigating its own failure. That won't work.
@@jacks5kidsThe NTSB doesn't manage or regulate industry. They investigate and make recommendations. It's always up to other agencies to implement those recommendations. In at safety the airlines have learned long ago to follow (usually) thread suggestions. In other fields, not so much. In any case, it's definitely not a failure of the agency that has no ability to maintain or regulate our infrastructure.
LOL. Use your eyes. Most cranes are standing idle most of the time. The 200-ton chunk stood static on the same barge for 8 days. Between day 2 and day 10, zero pieces of wreckage were moved. The Governor and the news speak about a "national priority" and a "24/7" operation, but most of the footage we see shows ZERO activity. There could easily be multiple teams working in parallel at different locations. The area near the ship is delicate and sensitive, but plenty of other areas could be processed in parallel, and that is absolutely not what is happening. Finally, in the last 18 hours, we are starting to see just a little salvage activity. For over a week prior to that, absolutely nothing moved, and no journalists pointed that out; they just repeat the Governor's false narrative.
For safety reasons they are only going to be cutting and removing wreckage from one area at a time.If you have multiple crews working on different areas when one crew cuts a section loose they don’t know for sure how that is going to affect other areas of the bridge.Also just because the cranes are not moving the operators are still in the seat. I have worked heavy construction and a crane operator can sit all day and not make a pick
@@mattharper588 Really? Have you ever seen an active building site or a demolition site? That does not make sense. There are whole sections of the bridge debris that are totally disconnected from others
@@jacks5kids This is not an active building site it is demolition.There priority right now is to get the channel open for shipping and then they can concentrate on other sections.Also they are not going to be using the cranes when they have divers in the water that is probably why they are idle
Of course its realistic As they are cutting the beams, its lighten the weigh which in turn will make it easier to remove Once they get the target weight, things will move considerably faster
@@verdebusterAP yep they need to get the bridge off the ship. Get the bridge out of the water. Dali crew sure mucked up the port. Tug boat crew sure mucked it up.
The only thing which matters right now is to open a channel for large cargo ships to have full passage and for commerce to continue. The building of a new bridge design is years down the road.
The ship hit the bridge on purpose!! Thousands upon thousands of ships went through there over and over, it was done on purpose by approval of Washington DC.
@@georgemalley6414From 2012 to 2022, 200 ships lost power in the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway area. 60 of them hit something. Your comment is silly.
Same on the west coast. The cargo ports are always in hard competition so anything that interrupts operations is a big problem and may take some time to recover. Other ports will take advantage of this.
Why in the world would the US Government have to pay a nickel for repairing/replacing the bridge? The ship hit it, it is insured, let the insurance company for the shipping line pay for it.
Still today on 4/10/2024 the crew is still on board? That's crazy.. We all know it was on purpose, Missed the concert dolphins like the operator was from Nascar
Have they started an investigation of the Ukrainian pilot? They have been whining that they could make things happen in the US if we don't give them aid. I saw the film an hour after the ship hit. That ship made a very hard starboard turn and plowed into the concrete. I have never driven a cargo ship but I have been a boat owner my whole life and been caught in some pretty rough storms, the wind will not do that.
I certainly hope that they won't waste a bunch of time and money removing containers, some up front, yes, then the bridge on the ship, then float it back to the docks and unload the rest.
How do commandments willy-nilly get created? What is illegal about looking at something in the public? What is a drone a mile away going to do that would be so awful? If anyone knows the answer to this, please reply.
There is aircraft and large equipment in the area. A mile isn't that far away in that context. Even if flown well, and assuming no nearby air traffic, a drone can still be a distraction due to its presence and noise, which is a serious issue itself. Crane operators need as few distractions as possible. Likewise with others working dismantling the structure. To put it simply, without the restrictions, there would presumably be dozens or more drones flying around all hours of day and night. Some of which being operated in an unsafe, inconsiderate manner.
Safety of bridge workers has priority over news outlets flying helicopters and anyone flying drones. Voyeurism is non-essential and would be a major distraction to those working on this mess.
I doubt drones are the major issue. There's a TFR extending from sea level to 1200', 3Mi radius centered on the Dali. It keeps everyone back except aircraft working the recovery. The distance is overkill for a drone but pretty reasonable for faster moving traffic, and the TFR is universal to cover everyone.
I assumed that after Arnold's administration everyone would be called GOVERNATOR . . . a new word. A new term for the old word "governor." Just like the new word NEIGHBAH . . . instead of "neighbor."
It wouldn't be very useful as that area is mostly industrial. Anyone wanting to get from one side to the other, can take the tunnels that are 5 miles away.
Where are these ferries supposed to come from? It's not like we have them just floating around waiting to be used. I guess maybe someone could set up a go fund me to rebuild, Pete Davidson and Colin Jost Staten Island Ferry boat. I think they already have plans for that being used as a dock site comedy club. You'd also have to compensate them for the 280,100 that they paid for it.
@@CRMcGee2 There's actually lots of ferries around thee country sitting mothballs. It would be cheaper to recommission a few and setup temporary ferry terminals to alleviate traffic flows. Or they can always just forego the ferries option and live with traffic jams for the next 5 to 10 years.
It’s a tragedy that 6 state workers died from this terrible accident but there were also people in cars also. The Governor: We lost 6 Marylanders…… Uhh I think there were more than that and at that time most all were going to work to.
Why? Because the beltway has been swamped for years. Just watch the traffic reports daily. Adding 30,000+ more vehicles is going to tax it even further. Also, hazardous,and oversized loads cannot use either tunnel.
Why? I guess if you are not going to rebuild the bridge, why stop there? Get rid of cars because people can walk. Heck, get rid of working, and then people don't have to walk. Of course the bridge has to be rebuilt. The 30,000+ daily users prove there is a need for it.
@@artistjoh Here is a revolutionary thing that, from what you write is something you're unfamiliar with - Public transport. You know, this thing that is the most cost effective and efficient way to transport people as instead of using a huge chunk of metal to move max 5 pax, and in reality an average of 1.5 pax, get something that can move thousands. lane of road with cars can move around 1500 people per hour, one rail lane can move 20,000-80,000 thousandth people per hour. Buses are not as efficient but can still move 5000-10,000 people per hour. biking can move on a width of one lance more than buses and the width of a lane can move even more people walking. There is still room for cars but investment in car infrastructure cannot be the main and in many cases the only investment. I don't think the bridge should not be rebuilt but it should be built with public transport in mind and the vast majority of investment should go to enhance, improve and bring it up to par with the rest of the world. a city with a metro area of almost 3m cannot rely on one subway line with 14 stations and on light rail line with 33 station (and it is one line, 3 very short branches cannot count as 3 lines).
@@bluethunder1951 There are no paths that won't take you over ANY bridges but even if we limit it to just small bridges, such a path would add roughly 40 miles of urban driving just to avoid building a two mile bridge. That's a plan worthy of a certain tangerine Mussolini.
i understand not wanting to compromise investigations, but seriously 3 miles around you cant fly a DRONE? I understand maybe not right ABOVE the bridge but 3 nautical miles? Plus Fort Armistead park is closed indefinitely? So why cant you go to the entire park? Just close the part by the water. Theres just alot thats a little weird about how all of this is being handled.
Maybe they want to avoid having too many drones in the area and not having to deal with that one person who may decide to fly too close and get everyone else grounded for it.
There are times when the governing authorities have the right to change the rules in the event of a national, natural or manmade disasters. If you know more than the rest of the world or the American government about rules and conditions concerning the need for privacy and space during or after a major disaster, please share your views.
They keep deleting my comment about how hitting your bridge with a boat makes it a Federal disaster to pay for. Ships that size passing through a totally naked bridge was a level of stupid.
@kensolar69 I'm not a pessimist. I'm not a optimist. I am a realist! It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out when these politicians make say a salary of $600,000 and have a multimillion dollar house and have millions in their bank acct. when they never had that kind of money in their life something is rotten in Denmark. You can't see that?
@@Failure_Is_An_Optionhe's 100% correct. The state and city choose not to update the dolphins and other pier protection to new standards when the Sunshine Skyway bridge collapsed in the 80s and several other times over the years, but opted to save the money and not update it. Proper pier protection dolphins or shoaling could have saved the bridge, and the importance was recognized by the engineering industry several times after the bridge was built.
No. That bridge, by definition, was unsafe, as proven by the fact that a relatively routine malfunction of a ship brought it down in 3 seconds. The US government, which includes the NTSB, is terribly guilty in allowing ships, so large that they could do such damage, to pass so close to the unprotected supports of the bridge. As the ships got larger, appropriate protection should have been added to the bridge as supervised by the US government. That did not happen. The NTSB failed totally to keep transportation safe. WOrst of all, the NTSB is now in charge of investigation the failures of the NTSB. That isn't going to work, is it?
The shipping company will fight for months/ years over the amounts owed while the bridge needs rebuilding immediately. Better to build first and recover the funds later.
Only if you haven't listened to any information on this subject. It has been stated from the start that the govt money is to get the job done ASAP then the courts will assign who pays what.
And the lawsuits will produce fortunes for the protégés law firms (friendly to politicians) they pick to represent the USA. The tax payers will get pennies, maybe. By making the one ship owner liable for the wreck, he files BK and it's over. I know better than that and I'm not a lawyer. They want this money tied to Washington DC for some reason. Also what is with all these fund raisers and where is the money going? The families of the 6 killed will get 10's of millions of dollars between the State, bridge and ship insurance alone. As for the workers, maybe some extra coffee and donuts but this is what they do and I'm sure they are getting paid bank for this job. Rescue divers, dive. Crane operators operate cranes. Metal cutters, cut. Their families don't need extra money while daddy is bringing in the big bucks. Why?
Because the feds are in charge of keeping all federal shipping lanes open. Not the states. Clearing the wreckage is part of that. Paying to rebuild the bridge over it so it has a minimal impact on shipping is also part of that.
If you wait for the NTSB report and the challenges to the report, then go after the insurance companies, there will be no bridge for the next 5-7 years. Not much different when you're involved in an accident, where your insurance company gets started getting you somewhat back together. Later on, your insurance will go after the other insurance company to get reimbursed. Then the lawyers go after damages.
Using a 500 ton crane to remove shipping containers. While smaller cranes are being used to remove bridge sections. Well we are living in a backwards world .......
Ok, all your future engineers are incorrect. There are 3 different salvage operations going on at the same time. That means 3 different salvage crews and equipment . The 1000 ton Crain is tasked with clearing the ship of debris and any cargo . They'll need that power when removing the bridge deck. The other cranes (500 and 100 ton) are tasked to remove the bridge structure that is to both sides . Then a 3rd will be to clear the channel. Ignorant people are touchy here.
I wonder how much all this is going to cost. This is why being $34.6+ Trillion Dollars in debt is not smart. We will have to either borrow the money or print it devaluing the dollar.
Forget about the Bridge or the Harbor it's blocking. Let's get all those trinkets and widgets in those boxes off that ship. We can't make money without those trinkets and widgets. We will get to the Bridge later. It keeps the Military Ships blocked in port.
The cargo was declared force majeure already, recovery of goods to their owners is way, way down the priority list after that declaration. Cargo owners are actually on the hook for splitting the ship's liability because of the force majeure claim, and their cargo will be liquidated to settle up if they don't pay independently. Containers aren't being removed for any reason except that they need to lighten the Dali which is currently grounded. There are no active military assets behind the bridge - I have no idea where this claim comes from, it's nuts. The Navy is down at Norfolk, not at Baltimore. Maybe you're thinking of the merchant marine sea lift ships but they're seldom used, only leave port on rare occasions and absolutely not limiting our naval power in any way.
The owners of the ship are responsible for the damage! Certainly, they have insurance against this type of thing! I imagine that the claim will be out of the world, but that’s why they pay premiums. Let’s see what they come up with before we have to spend taxpayer money on a bridge that some of us didn’t even know existed and likely will never cross! Please?!
That would be a very hard battle to fight in court and I can explain and demostrate in detail who is responsible and pay for the cost which could run in few billion dollars
They have a "manifest" that lists the weight of every container, the contents of every container AND where that container is on the ship. So relax and let the pros do their job.
I don’t understand why she thinks I would rather see her talk than them actually working at 10 times rather see the actual at the ship versus her bump in her butt
Are the people who are deciding how to do things the same ones deciding how they are getting paid for what is done. This is hilariously the slowest most expensive way of doing anything that is being done. I can't imagine what the kickback payments must look like for this work. Put the divers down remove the human remains, air bag this crap and drag it into shallow waters out of the way of getting started on building the new bridge. It's almost as if no one has any sence of urgency, or productivity.
Impossible. The bridge weighs many thousand tons, has collapsed up yp 20' into the channel floor, and is tangled with the piers, the Dali, and likely the BGE gas line under the channel. It must be pulled apart piece by piece, it's 100% bullshit to claim they could just float it out with air bags.
@saiboogu if they can float a cruise of the coast of Italy that had been sunk for three years. They can float much larger sections of bridge just of the bottom then most people can conceive. Check out Costa Concordia it's 114,147 Tons from the sea floor.
@@regould221 I just wanna find 11,780 votes because we won the state. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break. Just tell them you’ve recalculated.
deceitful state and gov. authority's, 3 miles is to keep independant monitoring of anything impossible. camera footage from most drones from 3 miles away will be obscured to point of blurry nothingness. is secrecy they are after.
What could they possibly keep secret? Details of the crash and ship has been widely publicized. In that context, removal of the debris isn't all that exciting. The 3 nautical miles may seem excessive, but given the air traffic and heavy equipment working in the area is sensible. Too many inexperienced and inconsiderate drone pilots out there. Even a small hobby drone can be a significant distraction for those already working in hazardous conditions.
@@halberderdier8073 Also not ENOUGH money to be able to spend on everything these foolish politicians want do... Good or bad, rich or poor it's always needs or want! Lately it's just Egregious unsustainable spending! Not against immigration but this latest episode is just insanity!
the gop law makers are working hard at not helping to get things fixed and as usual making everything political. the economy and lives are always a distant secondary concern
The slowest most asinine responses in U.S history...That ALL should have been cleared in a couple days...Hell, the ship is still stuck there...Who's running that circus; Destiny?: aka Steven Kenneth Bonnell
It’s amazing that Joe showed up for this in record time. Yet took him forever to get to our border. Not discounting this disaster but our border is also a disaster.
I live in Maryland and the governor has no clue what he is doing. All this is a photo opportunity for him to get to the next level. We are already taxed to the max and the state is still running out of money
Those salvage crews are working hard to clear that mess up to open the port. Not a easy job 👍
No not easy man! If you look at the clean-up after the 911 attacks in NY it was dangerous all the way through for nearly a year! This one will take less time we hope and safely!👍
I hope that the project administrators keep undue pressure off those workers and let the job take the time it takes to be done safely. We've seen enough tragedy from this event.
Open your eyes, look at the video over the last week, and try to convince yourself that people are working hard. Having the same wreckage static on a barge for a week, and having cranes static and unloaded round the clock are clear evidence that nobody was working at all for the whole week until yesterday
@@jacks5kidsstay on the couch jack
@@jacks5kidsYou don't know anything. Everything had to be surveyed. Plans made. All the ships and people had to arrive. The weather needs to be calm. They are doing really well. This is very dangerous, very hard work.
Too much narration instead of showing the containers being removed. A great example of 'a picture is worth a thoussand words'.
Nice to see progress on the barge.
Bridge 🌉
The time they say it will take will be double the unions will go on strike they will have trouble getting supplies and how are they going to find somebody to be in charge do people really believe what the higher people in charge will say how long did it take to build the trade center
End of May? Maybe. I think they're going to run into some unforeseen issues. Nonetheless they're making excellent progress.
Who says they are making excellent progress? Do some fact checking. Two pieces of wreckage were hoisted 9 days ago, and none from then for 8 whole days. The same 200-ton chunk sat static on a barge for a whole week. All the cranes are motionless. There is no division of the task into multiple sites. The only thing that moves in the live-streaming videos are the seagulls. For a whole week we were fed looping videos of the same two pairs of men with cutting torches. ANd they are lying about clearing channels. The so-called clear channels are under intact sections of the bridge where no wreckage fell and no wreckage was lifted. None of this is evidence of excellent progress.
@@jacks5kids They have mapped the debris in 3D by sonar, installed strain gauges, cleared two side channels (checked to make sure there were no hazards and maybe dredged them a bit), and removed a few chunks of girders. Not bad for "doing nothing".
Clearing the cargo containers is a tedious activity. Check a container for damage, rig it, lift it, place it on the barge ... repeat. More workers and cranes would just get in each others' way.
@@jacks5kidsAre you a Russian troll?
There is no way by the end of may this has been completed. I have a better chance of winning lotto
@@curiouscat3384 One simple piece of fact checking for you: The same 200-ton piece of wreckage sat for 8 days motionless on a barge. My source is multiple live-streamed video that we can all see. Thanks for your kind wishes; God does bless my wonderful five children, now all adults. Also look at how often we are told that bad weather makes things difficult while we see video of calm water.
They are removing the containers to make it easier to refloat the ship it is stuck ontop of a pipe line
Most dangerous job on the planet
Not even close. Most people are doing nothing. A receptionist in a hospital does a far more dangerous job, coming into contact with hundreds of sick people every day
Think so try being in combat.
It's going to take as long as it takes. The important thing is no one is killed or I jured. Everyone needs to back off the pressure and find something else to do.
Thank you. All these armchair engineers are really getting annoying.
Absolutely. It is when we all become field experts that things become burdensome.
Plenty of couch bound professionals whining
1 found dead and 3 still missing
0:15 - Are you sure you've got that "radius of 3 nautical miles" part correct? That covers a ridiculously large area - almost all the way up to where the harbor splits at Fort McHenry. Anybody with a drone even 2 nautical miles away wouldn't be seeing more than tiny specs in the image, let alone be getting in the way of any operation.
Can anybody explain why there needs to be this kind of strict censorship? Why can the press in the Free World not be allowed to view what is really happening except through government controlled sources? Is this North Korea or the USA?
Yes, 3 nautical miles (5.556km) is correct. Especially in the foggy, hazy conditions you cant's see much even with good optics. Why the authorities in the "Land of the Free" appply such comprehensive censorship is cause for concern and suspicion that the authorities are lying; and lying they certainly are.
Completely correct. I can't fly in my own driveway, haven't been able to since the morning of the crash.
tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_7385.html
Two weeks so if there are any traffi+ed on ship containers , ???
That footage is so clear!
so let's see the totals for this, today is monday,7pm pst, how many containers have been unloaded and how many tons of bridge have been removed?? when the 1,000 ton crane is removing containers it sure isn't removing large bridge chunks. and yes I realize sometimes you need the bigger machine for the reach it has
How about replacing the bridge with a tunnel?
That's unlikely.
The planning and engineering of such a massive project would take at least a decade, and then it would likely take another two decades to construct a tunnel.
That is of course, reliant on the geography of the area being appropriate for an endeavour of that magnitude.
Hazardous cargo can't use a tunnel. I95. Is already a tunnel.
We've got two tunnels already.
Why did the ship loose power twice
The little boxes being lifted by the giant cranes give
meaning to the phrase, one step at a time...
Little? They are huge. What do you mean little?
@@robinblackmoor8732They are tiny compared to the ship, bridge, and recovery barges.
Can they save the RR tracks?
They should be the top priority since President Biden has such fond memories of them 😜
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Resident*
You losers care nothing of your country. Why don't you leave?
Can you cry more?
@@robertpalmer3166
Not crying. Asking s question.
Hopefully they're working hard to figure out how this happened. Sounds like the Captain saved many lives, but what exactly happened to disable that ship, did it just break down, was there sabotage, were the systems hacked somehow? You can't build bridges strong enough to withstand millions of pounds out of control, so hopefully they're hitting that angle hard. Prayers for those families for sure!
Governor Moore looks like Todd Bridges from "Facts of life."
And ?
I’d like to know if the port of Baltimore is working on new safety regulations to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. For instance, why was the Dali making its own way out of the port, why no tugboats to guide its way past the bridge? 🤷♀️🤔
Not just Baltimore, every US port. The NTSB failed to ensure that this bridge was safe from the risks of malfunctioning large ships passing beneath. Now the NTSB is investigating its own failure. That is clearly a bad idea, so we cannot be sure that they will find themselves guilty of fatal negligence and fix their own failings.
Cutting corners like always
The bridge was built before proper protection was required. Every bridge after 1980 requires proper protection. So that will be around the new bridge when built. These boats are too big for tugs except for docking.
@@regould221 Right. So the NTSB has to explain to the public why it allowed ships that are too big for the bridge's protection to pass unaccompanied under the bridge. Here's the problem: The NTSB is investigating its own failure. That won't work.
@@jacks5kidsThe NTSB doesn't manage or regulate industry. They investigate and make recommendations. It's always up to other agencies to implement those recommendations. In at safety the airlines have learned long ago to follow (usually) thread suggestions. In other fields, not so much.
In any case, it's definitely not a failure of the agency that has no ability to maintain or regulate our infrastructure.
All constructions of this nature are 24/7 !
LOL. Use your eyes. Most cranes are standing idle most of the time. The 200-ton chunk stood static on the same barge for 8 days. Between day 2 and day 10, zero pieces of wreckage were moved. The Governor and the news speak about a "national priority" and a "24/7" operation, but most of the footage we see shows ZERO activity. There could easily be multiple teams working in parallel at different locations. The area near the ship is delicate and sensitive, but plenty of other areas could be processed in parallel, and that is absolutely not what is happening. Finally, in the last 18 hours, we are starting to see just a little salvage activity. For over a week prior to that, absolutely nothing moved, and no journalists pointed that out; they just repeat the Governor's false narrative.
For safety reasons they are only going to be cutting and removing wreckage from one area at a time.If you have multiple crews working on different areas when one crew cuts a section loose they don’t know for sure how that is going to affect other areas of the bridge.Also just because the cranes are not moving the operators are still in the seat. I have worked heavy construction and a crane operator can sit all day and not make a pick
@@mattharper588 Really? Have you ever seen an active building site or a demolition site? That does not make sense. There are whole sections of the bridge debris that are totally disconnected from others
@@jacks5kids This is not an active building site it is demolition.There priority right now is to get the channel open for shipping and then they can concentrate on other sections.Also they are not going to be using the cranes when they have divers in the water that is probably why they are idle
@@jacks5kids Wow ... from what university did you get your civil engineering and project management degrees?
Of course its realistic
As they are cutting the beams, its lighten the weigh which in turn will make it easier to remove
Once they get the target weight, things will move considerably faster
It's lighten or it lightens?
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They need the Dali out of the way
@@verdebusterAP but the beams though
@@yettimannettii2039
That ship is the biggest problem for the reopening that channel
@@verdebusterAP yep they need to get the bridge off the ship. Get the bridge out of the water. Dali crew sure mucked up the port. Tug boat crew sure mucked it up.
That rate and per diem probably off the chart
The only thing which matters right now is to open a channel for large cargo ships to have full passage and for commerce to continue. The building of a new bridge design is years down the road.
@RamZar50 What matters is them finding the 3 men so their families can have closure.
The ship hit the bridge on purpose!!
Thousands upon thousands of ships went through there over and over, it was done on purpose by approval of Washington DC.
@georgemalley6414 Oh Good Lord! Your imagination is running wild. Did it ever occur to you that it was a accident?
@@georgemalley6414From 2012 to 2022, 200 ships lost power in the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway area. 60 of them hit something. Your comment is silly.
"The building of a design"?
Same on the west coast. The cargo ports are always in hard competition so anything that interrupts operations is a big problem and may take some time to recover. Other ports will take advantage of this.
I went to a beach and saw it
No beaches in the river and port area that can see it, just docks and parks, concrete or grass or rocks.
Why in the world would the US Government have to pay a nickel for repairing/replacing the bridge?
The ship hit it, it is insured, let the insurance company for the shipping line pay for it.
So what you're saying is that it may turn out to have been the bridge's fault for jumping out at the Dali. Of course they are bloody liable. 🙄
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Still today on 4/10/2024 the crew is still on board? That's crazy.. We all know it was on purpose, Missed the concert dolphins like the operator was from Nascar
I thought it was 4 dead not 6, my bad. I condolences to all involved. 😢
They haven't found the other two people yet
Eight on the bridge, one survived, seven died. Three (maybe four now?) bodies recovered so far.
Shipping company is still responsible for all damages.
And they will pay, after a couple years in court.
No that is not and I can demostrate and explain in detail who is responsible for that accident
Thanks to an 1851 law the liability is limited to the value of the ship.
Nope. At this point the cargo customers have more liability than the shipping company. Maritime laws are insane.
Maybe they could have used the machine that could gather up the metal in a rock in the river
Have they started an investigation of the Ukrainian pilot? They have been whining that they could make things happen in the US if we don't give them aid. I saw the film an hour after the ship hit. That ship made a very hard starboard turn and plowed into the concrete. I have never driven a cargo ship but I have been a boat owner my whole life and been caught in some pretty rough storms, the wind will not do that.
Where did Wes More learn to speak
Yer white sheet is showing Cletus 🙄
I certainly hope that they won't waste a bunch of time and money removing containers, some up front, yes, then the bridge on the ship, then float it back to the docks and unload the rest.
Obviously.
Are there 'Nautical Kilometers' in the rest of the planet?
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That is something else
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How do commandments willy-nilly get created? What is illegal about looking at something in the public? What is a drone a mile away going to do that would be so awful? If anyone knows the answer to this, please reply.
There is aircraft and large equipment in the area. A mile isn't that far away in that context. Even if flown well, and assuming no nearby air traffic, a drone can still be a distraction due to its presence and noise, which is a serious issue itself. Crane operators need as few distractions as possible. Likewise with others working dismantling the structure. To put it simply, without the restrictions, there would presumably be dozens or more drones flying around all hours of day and night. Some of which being operated in an unsafe, inconsiderate manner.
Safety of bridge workers has priority over news outlets flying helicopters and anyone flying drones. Voyeurism is non-essential and would be a major distraction to those working on this mess.
I doubt drones are the major issue. There's a TFR extending from sea level to 1200', 3Mi radius centered on the Dali. It keeps everyone back except aircraft working the recovery.
The distance is overkill for a drone but pretty reasonable for faster moving traffic, and the TFR is universal to cover everyone.
I assumed that after Arnold's administration everyone would be called GOVERNATOR . . . a new word. A new term for the old word "governor." Just like the new word NEIGHBAH . . . instead of "neighbor."
They should set up a ferry service while the bridge is rebuilt
It wouldn't be very useful as that area is mostly industrial. Anyone wanting to get from one side to the other, can take the tunnels that are 5 miles away.
@@JStorm13 the traffic jams are a nightmare. 20 minute commute now takes 90 minutes with bad traffic.
Where are these ferries supposed to come from?
It's not like we have them just floating around waiting to be used.
I guess maybe someone could set up a go fund me to rebuild, Pete Davidson and Colin Jost Staten Island Ferry boat.
I think they already have plans for that being used as a dock site comedy club.
You'd also have to compensate them for the 280,100 that they paid for it.
@@FreedomForMaryland In houston it would take at leat 2 hours at rush hour
@@CRMcGee2 There's actually lots of ferries around thee country sitting mothballs. It would be cheaper to recommission a few and setup temporary ferry terminals to alleviate traffic flows. Or they can always just forego the ferries option and live with traffic jams for the next 5 to 10 years.
it any!!!! :(
The news team here is pissed they can't fly their drones over the bridge. lol.
Positions already ready lining up to line their pockets.
Nothing has been done.....To slow.....Come on !......Americans!.......
Federal funding is largely dependent on Speaker Mike Johnson's ability to herd cats.
Thus far I have not been impressed.
Some of those cats have ingested toxic amounts of agent orange.
It’s a tragedy that 6 state workers died from this terrible accident but there were also people in cars also. The Governor: We lost 6 Marylanders…… Uhh I think there were more than that and at that time most all were going to work to.
Why is all yall workers latino???
It's not just a tragedy it was a "PREVENTABLE TRAGEDY"!!!
don't rush to open that port eh Dems
Why rebuild it? Reroute the road traffic.
That has to be done anyway.
Why? Because the beltway has been swamped for years. Just watch the traffic reports daily. Adding 30,000+ more vehicles is going to tax it even further. Also, hazardous,and oversized loads cannot use either tunnel.
Why? I guess if you are not going to rebuild the bridge, why stop there? Get rid of cars because people can walk. Heck, get rid of working, and then people don't have to walk.
Of course the bridge has to be rebuilt. The 30,000+ daily users prove there is a need for it.
@@artistjoh Here is a revolutionary thing that, from what you write is something you're unfamiliar with - Public transport.
You know, this thing that is the most cost effective and efficient way to transport people as instead of using a huge chunk of metal to move max 5 pax, and in reality an average of 1.5 pax, get something that can move thousands. lane of road with cars can move around 1500 people per hour, one rail lane can move 20,000-80,000 thousandth people per hour. Buses are not as efficient but can still move 5000-10,000 people per hour. biking can move on a width of one lance more than buses and the width of a lane can move even more people walking. There is still room for cars but investment in car infrastructure cannot be the main and in many cases the only investment. I don't think the bridge should not be rebuilt but it should be built with public transport in mind and the vast majority of investment should go to enhance, improve and bring it up to par with the rest of the world.
a city with a metro area of almost 3m cannot rely on one subway line with 14 stations and on light rail line with 33 station (and it is one line, 3 very short branches cannot count as 3 lines).
I agree, it would be a safer option to build bypass roads or rail transit on land.
@@bluethunder1951 There are no paths that won't take you over ANY bridges but even if we limit it to just small bridges, such a path would add roughly 40 miles of urban driving just to avoid building a two mile bridge. That's a plan worthy of a certain tangerine Mussolini.
But will the money go to rebuild the bridge or in the pockets of the Democratic Party pockets
i understand not wanting to compromise investigations, but seriously 3 miles around you cant fly a DRONE? I understand maybe not right ABOVE the bridge but 3 nautical miles? Plus Fort Armistead park is closed indefinitely? So why cant you go to the entire park? Just close the part by the water. Theres just alot thats a little weird about how all of this is being handled.
Maybe they want to avoid having too many drones in the area and not having to deal with that one person who may decide to fly too close and get everyone else grounded for it.
Fort Armistead isn't a park you want to go to anyways, as it's super sketchy
They can't stop people from flying drones within 3 miles of it until they pass a law.
There are times when the governing authorities have the right to change the rules in the event of a national, natural or manmade disasters. If you know more than the rest of the world or the American government about rules and conditions concerning the need for privacy and space during or after a major disaster, please share your views.
@@tawakerakarawa1064 Yeah, when they pass a law, sign an executive order, or declare martial law.
Notice how the news media never released the names of the crew members and captain of the ship 🚢
They keep deleting my comment about how hitting your bridge with a boat makes it a Federal disaster to pay for. Ships that size passing through a totally naked bridge was a level of stupid.
@@jnhrtmn I agree
Ultimately, anti-cementism in Baltimore stopped the engineers from properly reinforcing the Key Bridge base.
How about charging the boat for the damages that would make sense
That will be decided in court but will take years. Please pay attention.
"Any money recovered from the shipping company will come back to the U.S. taxpayer." hahahahaha
Harris/Moore '28
Isn't this enough of a disaster.
Have lift bridge resting on both sides remove ship rest back on barges ship removal need cranes like the hercules
Yeah right! Taxpayers will never see any money that may come from who is liable! Need to try and get the most commerce going as soon as possible.
Why would they not ? This is standard procedure. The govt gets reimbursed for jobs like this often.
@kensolar69 Is that before or after the politician's get their cut out of it?
@@russellhowell9854 Do you think that every thing on the planet is corrupt ? Or do you just see the world that way because it's what you do ?
@kensolar69 No. I've seen it for fact for yrs. now. If you took your head out your butt you may see some of it too.
@kensolar69 I'm not a pessimist. I'm not a optimist. I am a realist! It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out when these politicians make say a salary of $600,000 and have a multimillion dollar house and have millions in their bank acct. when they never had that kind of money in their life something is rotten in Denmark. You can't see that?
Yeah right....like the government will reimburse me for any of my tax monies spent on this!!!
So if they say it will be open by the end of May. They mean May 2025!
No way, it'll be a couple of years before that bridge is rebuilt and ready for use.
They are talking about the shipping channel duh
Stay on the couch
MD should be paying for part of the bridge. They didn't have proper safety measures around the pilóns of the bridge.
Not only are you wrong... nobody cares about neither your opinion, nor what you have to say.
@@Failure_Is_An_Optiontrue story!
@@Failure_Is_An_Optionhe's 100% correct. The state and city choose not to update the dolphins and other pier protection to new standards when the Sunshine Skyway bridge collapsed in the 80s and several other times over the years, but opted to save the money and not update it. Proper pier protection dolphins or shoaling could have saved the bridge, and the importance was recognized by the engineering industry several times after the bridge was built.
Where is all the tpll money?
How about putting the bill On the barge from where it came from instead of the taxpayers paying for it
That has been explained a dozen times, why don't you know about it ?
Clearing the mess will take years
Kelsey
Could we get a loan from Ukraine to rebuild the bridge?
No that shipping company should pay the whole bill people not the tax payer
No. That bridge, by definition, was unsafe, as proven by the fact that a relatively routine malfunction of a ship brought it down in 3 seconds. The US government, which includes the NTSB, is terribly guilty in allowing ships, so large that they could do such damage, to pass so close to the unprotected supports of the bridge. As the ships got larger, appropriate protection should have been added to the bridge as supervised by the US government. That did not happen. The NTSB failed totally to keep transportation safe. WOrst of all, the NTSB is now in charge of investigation the failures of the NTSB. That isn't going to work, is it?
The shipping company will fight for months/ years over the amounts owed while the bridge needs rebuilding immediately. Better to build first and recover the funds later.
@@fgervThat will not be anywhere near as expensive at this one. Although, can you imaging waiting 7 months to start construction?
Ships are limited liability companies. The most they will get is $3 Billion.
@@fgerv That might be true. All you can get from the ship's insurance is $3 Billion.
I thought this wasn't going to be on Tax payers
Only if you haven't listened to any information on this subject.
It has been stated from the start that the govt money is to get the job done ASAP then the courts will assign who pays what.
And the lawsuits will produce fortunes for the protégés law firms (friendly to politicians) they pick to represent the USA. The tax payers will get pennies, maybe. By making the one ship owner liable for the wreck, he files BK and it's over. I know better than that and I'm not a lawyer. They want this money tied to Washington DC for some reason.
Also what is with all these fund raisers and where is the money going? The families of the 6 killed will get 10's of millions of dollars between the State, bridge and ship insurance alone. As for the workers, maybe some extra coffee and donuts but this is what they do and I'm sure they are getting paid bank for this job. Rescue divers, dive. Crane operators operate cranes. Metal cutters, cut. Their families don't need extra money while daddy is bringing in the big bucks. Why?
Because the feds are in charge of keeping all federal shipping lanes open. Not the states. Clearing the wreckage is part of that. Paying to rebuild the bridge over it so it has a minimal impact on shipping is also part of that.
If you wait for the NTSB report and the challenges to the report, then go after the insurance companies, there will be no bridge for the next 5-7 years.
Not much different when you're involved in an accident, where your insurance company gets started getting you somewhat back together. Later on, your insurance will go after the other insurance company to get reimbursed. Then the lawyers go after damages.
Using a 500 ton crane to remove shipping containers. While smaller cranes are being used to remove bridge sections.
Well we are living in a backwards world .......
The 1,000 ton crane barge is working on the bridge
Stay on your cozy couch,gomer
Maybe you can get a better view from the lazyboy?
Ok, all your future engineers are incorrect. There are 3 different salvage operations going on at the same time. That means 3 different salvage crews and equipment . The 1000 ton Crain is tasked with clearing the ship of debris and any cargo . They'll need that power when removing the bridge deck. The other cranes (500 and 100 ton) are tasked to remove the bridge structure that is to both sides . Then a 3rd will be to clear the channel.
Ignorant people are touchy here.
One point of the bridge is hit,then the whole bridge collapse.Don't rebuild it the same way again please!!! Haha...
There's what happens when you knock out a major support in a span. No bridge is designed with redundant piers. None.
I wonder how much all this is going to cost. This is why being $34.6+ Trillion Dollars in debt is not smart. We will have to either borrow the money or print it devaluing the dollar.
Forget about the Bridge or the Harbor it's blocking.
Let's get all those trinkets and widgets in those boxes off that ship. We can't make money without those trinkets and widgets.
We will get to the Bridge later.
It keeps the Military Ships blocked in port.
The cargo was declared force majeure already, recovery of goods to their owners is way, way down the priority list after that declaration. Cargo owners are actually on the hook for splitting the ship's liability because of the force majeure claim, and their cargo will be liquidated to settle up if they don't pay independently.
Containers aren't being removed for any reason except that they need to lighten the Dali which is currently grounded.
There are no active military assets behind the bridge - I have no idea where this claim comes from, it's nuts. The Navy is down at Norfolk, not at Baltimore.
Maybe you're thinking of the merchant marine sea lift ships but they're seldom used, only leave port on rare occasions and absolutely not limiting our naval power in any way.
Funding? Shouldn’t the ship’s insurance company be held accountable not the tax payers?
This governor is so full of himself it's pathetic...drama queen and showman, that's it.
The owners of the ship are responsible for the damage! Certainly, they have insurance against this type of thing! I imagine that the claim will be out of the world, but that’s why they pay premiums. Let’s see what they come up with before we have to spend taxpayer money on a bridge that some of us didn’t even know existed and likely will never cross! Please?!
That would be a very hard battle to fight in court and I can explain and demostrate in detail who is responsible and pay for the cost which could run in few billion dollars
Give fair coverage to ALL political candidates running in the major races. Not just the wealthy.
Otherwise, you can expect to see me real soon.
What is in the containers is what we should be focusing on….!!!!!!!!
No we shouldn’t. It’s not that deep. Get a grip
They have a "manifest" that lists the weight of every container, the contents of every container AND where that container is on the ship.
So relax and let the pros do their job.
why?
Read a book
Naval liability law will limit the total reimbursement cost to about $35 million. The taxpayer will foot a large bill.
There is insurance on the bridge too
Chinese engineers are like, we would've had a new state of the art bridge built by now 😋
Perhaps that's where you belong?
Slave labor can do that.
Governor is milking this so hard starting to think he had a hand in it 😂. Good to hear they making progress. 😊
He’s a politician; it’s what they do.
my man watched a few too many obama vids lmao
2028
I don’t understand why she thinks I would rather see her talk than them actually working at 10 times rather see the actual at the ship versus her bump in her butt
I don't understand why you think she has any control over how her bosses edit and produce a video clip.
Those 6 workers that died were they citizens?
They were LEGAL immigrants
Why does that matter?
@@MERLE1593 illegal aliens should not be working for a company that has a state contract to fix roads.
@@MERLE1593 indeed
That is NOT relevant
Are the people who are deciding how to do things the same ones deciding how they are getting paid for what is done. This is hilariously the slowest most expensive way of doing anything that is being done. I can't imagine what the kickback payments must look like for this work. Put the divers down remove the human remains, air bag this crap and drag it into shallow waters out of the way of getting started on building the new bridge. It's almost as if no one has any sence of urgency, or productivity.
Impossible. The bridge weighs many thousand tons, has collapsed up yp 20' into the channel floor, and is tangled with the piers, the Dali, and likely the BGE gas line under the channel. It must be pulled apart piece by piece, it's 100% bullshit to claim they could just float it out with air bags.
@saiboogu if they can float a cruise of the coast of Italy that had been sunk for three years. They can float much larger sections of bridge just of the bottom then most people can conceive. Check out Costa Concordia it's 114,147 Tons from the sea floor.
who else feel like their holding the crew prisoner till they can build charges or all law suits are in
The crew is responsible for the ship as long as it floats. They can't just leave. The company could send a replacement crew, but that's unlikely.
Just you
Trump would get Mexico to pay for the bridge, just like he did the wall.
Better than bidumbs plan.
@@regould221 I just wanna find 11,780 votes because we won the state. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break. Just tell them you’ve recalculated.
Que the gouging
Why don't they call Holland for some cranes that can do the job. Instead, they let some toy cranes spend a lot of time on nothing.
Atlantic Ocean. Ever hear of it?
@@MERLE1593 The Ocean is no problem. They can sail abaut 15 knots.
@@tolerance721And if we waited on cranes from Holland they would still be sailing. Instead they began work with available assets.
deceitful state and gov. authority's, 3 miles is to keep independant monitoring of anything impossible. camera footage from most drones from 3 miles away will be obscured to point of blurry nothingness. is secrecy they are after.
It's to keep meddlesome conspiracy theorists from hindering the salvage efforts.
What could they possibly keep secret? Details of the crash and ship has been widely publicized. In that context, removal of the debris isn't all that exciting. The 3 nautical miles may seem excessive, but given the air traffic and heavy equipment working in the area is sensible. Too many inexperienced and inconsiderate drone pilots out there. Even a small hobby drone can be a significant distraction for those already working in hazardous conditions.
It’s for safety of the workers which deserves priority over paranoid conspiracy theorists. Give it a rest FFS.
Read a book
Couldn't afford to protect bridge but free money for illegals!
What does immigrants have to do with the bridge ?
“that bridge aint black”
Joe Biden
There isn't one big budget for everything in the country. It's hundreds of different pots.
@@halberderdier8073 Also not ENOUGH money to be able to spend on everything these foolish politicians want do... Good or bad, rich or poor it's always needs or want!
Lately it's just Egregious unsustainable spending! Not against immigration but this latest episode is just insanity!
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the gop law makers are working hard at not helping to get things fixed and as usual making everything political.
the economy and lives are always a distant secondary concern
Dude needs a wig
Thank God old Joe came to show them how to clean up the mess . What would they have ever done if Joe hadn't shared his wisdom with them .
Brainless comment.
“that bridge aint black”
Joe Biden
And imagine you're outrage if he didn't show
@@Macarena22279 “you aint black”
My son beau built that bridge after he died in Iraq son.
@@cocaine_hookers keep flailing
The slowest most asinine responses in U.S history...That ALL should have been cleared in a couple days...Hell, the ship is still stuck there...Who's running that circus; Destiny?: aka Steven Kenneth Bonnell
All that knowledge, sitting on the couch... Goober
It’s amazing that Joe showed up for this in record time. Yet took him forever to get to our border. Not discounting this disaster but our border is also a disaster.
Yet Republicans shot down the border bill
Trump didn't show up. He was playing golf.
Maga shot the border bill... Sure you are aware
@@MERLE1593 nobody there to grift
Clearing fake empty stage prop containers from sabotage device (ship)
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Seek psychiatric help.
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What color is the sky in your world, Cletus??
I live in Maryland and the governor has no clue what he is doing. All this is a photo opportunity for him to get to the next level. We are already taxed to the max and the state is still running out of money
This is a federal bridge.