This 90s Cartoon Network Pilot DISTURBED Twitter!
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- During this Summer, Adult Swim's Cartoon Network nostalgia block-within-a-block, Checkered Past, added the biggest deep cut to their schedule since "Evil Con Carne": Fred Seibert's revolutionary pilot program, "The What a Cartoon! Show". But one of the quote tweets responding to the announcement brought some unusually heated attention to one particular short: "Buy One, Get One Free". Created by Charlie Bean, Don Shank, and Carey Yost, this pilot is basically a Games Animation-era episode of "The Ren & Stimpy Show" that somehow snuck its way onto Cartoon Network.
In this editorial, I'm not only giving my own thoughts on "Buy One, Get One Free", but I'm also responding to the unnecessary Twitter flame war between those who find the short (or at least the climax) too "uncomfortable" and "mean-spirited", and those who think people are being sensitive Zoomers. Which side am I on? Watch and find out!
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Should have said this earlier, but I noticed I made a slight factual error at 8:55. Rough Draft Korea actually animated another short during the original 48 "What a Cartoon!" episode order: "The Zoonatiks in Home Sweet Home". So "Buy One, Get One Free" wasn't the only one. Sorry folks.
I honestly believe that most people on Twitter lie about being offended or disturbed by things. They do so for engagement or to just complain. Half of the people complaining are millennials who grew up with similar shows, but act like they didn’t.
Yeah, Twitter, like I mentioned, loves making mountains out of Atom Ant hills by posting ragebait. I remember a couple of weeks ago, two of AniMat's older reviews of the "Hotel Transylvania" sequels (back when he had a strong hate for Sony Pictures Animation), was trending on the site, despite him apologizing and toning down such behaviour since 2018. I know the internet is like an elephant, in that it never forgets, but that just felt like a "grasping at straws" moment.
Yeah. "I disagree with this," has become "I'm offended," and "I'm disturbed" is a more click-baity way to say "This makes me a little uncomfortable."
@@NoParkingBerrydid he say Zoomer's that reboot Zoomer's from season 3 PBS kids show Zoom❤🎉❤😊
“I honestly believe people on twitter pretend to be offended”
I’ve come to the same conclusion. No way you can truly be offended by so much, they’re just looking for attention
Its the twitter economy. "Shall i praise this popular thing like the majority are? Or hate on it and guarantee a huge amount of engagement?"
I don't know why the entirety of Gen-Z is gettng thrown under the bus for this, instead of weird Twitter users themselves being held fully accountable. I grew up with a mix of both mean spirited and wholesome cartoons as an '02 baby. I'm sure other Gen-Zs can relate to this.
We had the Total Drama franchise, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, Invader Zim, and the Fairly Oddparents just to name a few. Not to mention a lot of us grew up watching adult swim, also re-runs exist. 90s kids have way too much of a main character complex.
These millennials on Twitter should should face more held accountable, than the gen z or alpha on the internet and the millennials should face major backlash for giving kids a tablet witch has bad content for kids and if you think oh it’s not that bad we’ll look harder most of the crap they’re making for young kids are from Mr.Beast, Jake Paul, Logan Paul, lankybox, Nikocado avocado, Cocomelon, Ryan’s world, Elsa Gate videos, and short clips from TikTok or RUclips with hyper stimulation, and they have the same things in common they all have hyper stimulation, they teach kids how to be pricks they’re videos are lazy, they’re acting is lazy, they’re mems and jokes are not funny.
Exactly
I agree 1billion percent. Characters don't have to be goody twoshoes in everything and everything doesn't need to be sanitized. It comes down to context.
Top Cat is Mexico.
Woody Woodpecker is Brazil.
Yeah, that was something I corrected myself on during the editing. There's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it caption correcting my line mentioning Top Cat.
I'm on Side B. I LOVE cartoon violence. Hell, I still draw it every now and then.
Same here.
Twitter? Lol, I can't use twitter anymore because it was banned in Brazil.
What do you use?
wait really! I think that's a blessing in all honesty
Thank god it is
Same but Russia
That worm short though looks even more like John K, ngl
Sorry, worm short?
Oh, it absolutely does, especially since Eddie Fitzgerald loves John K. and his work to a sycophantic degree. Johnny the worm's mental disrupture is almost on par with Ren's breakdowns in "Sven Hoek" and "Stimpy's Fan Club".
That's because it was made by one of the show's head animators Bob Jaques. Look up his demo reel, the guy's legit a fantastic animator.
Imagine discovering an old cartoon that has been long forgotten about and then getting offended. 😂
I never forgot it.
Would look up a upload of it and other what-a-cartoon shorts time to time .
That’s Twitter for you.
@@darkzeroprojects4245 I never remembered this one.
Ngl, this has got to be one of the most f**king insane What a Cartoon I’ve seen along with that worm short, even by 90’s standards. I just love how it tries to capitalize on the success of Ren and Stimpy and decided to push the boundaries even further that results into this.
Twitter loves getting easily offended by stuff. Moral don't watch scenes out of context and watch the whole episode. I saw it and think it was meh. I love meanspirited humor and wholesome humor equally. This was meh. 🐈
I liked it
Agreed for the big time!!
Ya know, I would've liked those two cats as a duo. If this became a full series, then I think that cat hater guy would've been the shows main antagonist.
Hmm, probably. Maybe Reilly could be an antagonist who changes his persona each episode, a la Yosemite Sam, or Quint from the "Timon & Pumbaa" series.
I remember seeing the short as a kid in the 90's and, yeah, the guy abusing his cat was uncomfortable to watch. But that was the point, wasn't it? You're not supposed to like the guy or support what he's doing and you're supposed to enjoy seeing him face the consequences of being an asshole. There's nothing wrong with media that makes you feel uncomfortable. Art is meant to invoke the entire range of human emotion, not just the ones that are pleasant to experience.
"This 90s Cartoon Network Pilot DISTURBED Twitter!"
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING TRIGGERS TWATTER!!
I think both sides really need to chill the F out. Not all cartoons need to follow the same rules as other shows. Just as some cartoons are intended to be more wholesome and story-driven, others should be allowed to be insane and demented as well. They may not be everyone’s cup of tea, but that’s just how the world works - if you don’t like either one, leave it be and just watch what you prefer. 🐱
Personally, I’m pretty much in the middle. There’s plenty of more wholesome modern shows that I like (“Steven Universe” included) and plenty of cynical shows that I enjoy (like “The Simpsons”).
I'm definitely with you on how it's a good thing to have a balance between cynical and wholesome cartoons. Sometimes I feel like having my heartstrings pulled by watching a good episode of "As Told by Ginger", other times I want to laugh at the misfortune the "Looney Tunes" characters go through.
Agree
I first heard of this short from a YTP of all things years ago
I'm kinda in the middle.
The people on side A are being sensitive but I don't like most of the people on side B either. Especially that one person who called people on side A "childhood bad touch" (typing it like this because RUclips would probably hide the comment if I used the actual word) victims which is insensitive to John K's victims and victims of that stuff in general.
EXACTLY!
Christ, the audacity of some of these fucknuts.
Admittedly it's like... in some people are too sensitive, but John K... The idea of directly supporting him is not something I'd like to knowing what that prestige allowed.. and the quality of his work
Agreed, ditto.
😅😅😅😅😅We have seen ALOT of other weirder Cartoons than this.
9:57, I don't know why, but some reason they almost have that certian Hanna-Barbera Character design rather than Ren & Stimpy.
To be fair, Spümcø's art reminisces on the Hanna Barbera style in some form.
Its probably the way they’re posing. The static stance with upwards resting hand on Meat the dog and the puffed out/hand on hips pose on Shnookums the cats is what does it for me. (The cat’s pose is what George Jetson be posing like)
@@rosennacht7624 True
that might have to do with the fact they where made by CN who used the Hanna studios for almost all there cartoons in the 90 because they own them
@@jsmith3946 True
I mean sure the guy beats up a cat but at least he pays the price for it (also i respect your taste in cartoons)
this was the norm in the 90s.
Honestly, I really do like "Buy One, Get One Free" and other cartoons with wild expressions and unhinged action, as those have heavily inspired my art-style.
Still, I can understand why exactly some might feel the way they do about it, especially when you consider that the whole cartoon seems to be a thinly-veiled innuendo that has a guy trying to beat up a cat (Which is the only thing that I don't like about it).
At least he DOES get punished later on, which is what a lot of people forget when they say that it is disturbing.
Precisely, man!
I love the short when I saw it (Im a huge ren&stimpy fan). I'm shocked people even said anything about it online, it was such a short cartoon clip.
I haven't been on top of checkered past as much as id want to but they don't mix up the shows enough to interest me like I want to see Johnny bravo but have yet to see it :( Also i feel like they made the block shorter but im not sure.
Basically the Ren and Stimpy crew made a short where a dude going crazy over a cat not obeying his orders because some cat put on a party
Man what is up with animation fans these days?
Also RIP to Cartoon Network’s website
Dang that Zaslav fella is an idiot
The closure of the CN website isnt fault of Zaslav, it was CN themselves.
I wish that Zaslav guy needs to resign at WBD
My main criticism about "Buy One Get One Free", the cat doesn't do much except get pushed around by everyone and the penthouse guy is a one-note psycho crafted to make his demise cathartic. It feels more like an excuse for ex-R&S artists to exercise their deranged mental breakdown skills. Still a great, highly energetic breakdown to watch.
What's wrong with him being a "one note" psycho? Unrealistic people are in fictional shows all the time. Plus, he gets it at the end. So, it's not like he gets away with it. Plus, I can imagine some penthouse people are pretty crazy like what anyone can be.
Edit: I just got done actually watching it, and it's not bad whatsoever!! First off, the cat doesn't just get pushed around, he and the other cat get to enjoy laying down and being petted by the lady at the end, and gets SOME joy from the music at the party the other cat threw.
Second, the penthouse guy was a shallow rich guy who bought the cat purely to mingle with the lady. Obviously, he doesn't care about animals and would abuse one if he hated one.
Thirdly, most things the cat gets aren't even mean-spirited! Its typical cartoon hijinxs cartoon characters get into all the time. Plus, the cat tries to prevent things from getting bad, but obviously isn't the physical and authoritative type. Lots of people are like that. Plus, it makes sense the guy would go crazy on the cat towards the end because, to him, it seemed like he trashed his penthouse even though the other cats that did trash it bailed on him.
Finally, they don't truly emphasize how much the cat is suffering to make it feel uncomfortable and terrible, and the humane society nap the guy and even hate how he treats animals badly as well. Usually, the big brutes from a city are terrible, but these guys were actually good and were against animal cruelty. So, it's a very good subversion of those tropes!
In short, it's a pretty good cartoon short that's not bad whatsoever, and I can't see anything to really criticize about it.
I take it some on Twitter have yet to see the horror that was "Tales of Worm Paranoia."
Yeah, that's what I was saying. "Tales of Worm Paranoia" was hardly brought up during this debate, and yet I'd argue that it's much more disturbing than "Buy One, Get More Free", since the premise is about a worm wanting to kill the man who kept stepping on him.
Honestly while the scene that everyone talked about Definitely made me uncomfortable, i think it's actually not that bad because the dude abusing his cat gets punished for abusing his cat afterwards. It would be one thing if it was this mean spirited just for comedy and didn't acknowledge the animal abuse but i think it's actually funny how he gets attacked for it afterwards.
I don't have a problem with meanspirited cartoons considering i did grow up watching a few like that like the original fairly oddparents and looney toons reruns on boomerang, but i do understand why people were uncomfortable about the scene considering yeah it does kinda feel a bit too real since it's animal abuse.
nah man cartoons where always about that
Oh my god! I remember this cartoon from What a Cartoon! A show that kickstarted many amazing cartoon series that to this are still loved to this day.
John k style is one of the best things to ever happen to cartoons but yall aint ready for that convo
What to expect from a comunitty who tought that Chicken Little was too "mean-spirited"?
I mean, yeah that moment was uncomfortable but it’s meant to. But here’s the thing- the dude gets punished and humiliated and not only that he is once again “maidenless”
So many people can’t handle uncomfortable or disturbing content because they don’t understand that that’s the point. You’re not meant to enjoy what’s going on, it’s supposed to shock you. That just means the writer executed what they set out to do. This is like the weirdo who goes to watch a horror movie and becomes upset that it’s scary and disturbing.
My brother in Christ, that’s the point!
Seriously if you saw the dude tormenting the cat and thought it was peak comedy, you… might wanna seek therapy. And probably stay away from small animals.
nah man it's funny. it's a cartoon, if it happened in real life, it wouldn't be funny.
I finally just watched buy one get one free
And it's great
There's alot of context surrounding what happened such as reilly only bought a cat to impress a girl
So even though reilly abused the cat, it's clear that he never wanted it to begin with
And he got punished regardless
I also love the 50s esque designs going for it which really fits the vibes
And I like Greg eagle's performance here
As fix sounds exactly like sketchpad from crashbox
I honestly don't get the hangup with this short either
Overall fantastic short but I do agree that it's better off as a short
4:41-4:45 Turning a cat into a violin if a single scratch happens…?
Holy frickin' crap, that man had no chill.
I always thought violins were made with cats wonder where that myth came from?
@@skootergirl22Back in the old times, violin strings were often made with a material called catgut. Catgut was actually made from sheep intestines rather than cat intestines, so the name is a misnomer. That misnomer is responsible for the cat-violin connection.
Kids on twitter were a mistake
I Grew up with that type of Animation and ngl I'm all for it as if it wasn't for the 90's these Crybabies wouldn't have what they have today in there animations like Hazbin Hotel and other Newer Animations, I never watched a episode of HH but I can see the 90's era influence to it, but eh I guess I'm just like the Abe Simpson Yelling at Cloud now so I'll just end it like that.
Twitter: OMG, THIS CARTOON IS TOO DAMN DISTURBING, UNCOMFORTABLE, AND MEAN-SPIRITED! WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!?!
Legends who saw this growing up: Haha, orange cat and angry man go AAAAHHHH and GRRRRR
Nah, this cartoon messed me up as a kid. I wouldn't go on the Internet and call for cartoons like this to be censored or not be made anymore or anything, but you gotta be lying if you, as a kid, didn't notice that this cartoon was extreme.
That's what I think people need to do more of. Be able to admit when certain content is crazy. This doesn't mean don't make it anymore, but it is crazy.
I’m a Gen Z person, and I found this more humorous than what Nickelodeon had on at the time. Also, they made it perfectly clear that the guy never liked cats, so it didn’t surprise me when this happened. Also, a few of the people who worked on this also worked on Ren & Stimpy.
Cool short, weird complaints from Twitter from both sides.
That was one of the best one-off cartoons ever!
Definitely agree. The cartoon community needs to chill. A lot of cartoons from the 90s-2000s that they grew up on have hilarious mean spirited-ness, and I wonder if they'd actually went back and watched Ed Edd n Eddy or Billy and Mandy for example. The cartoon community needs to shut the hell up about "mean spirited" cartoon discourse. Do they really expect every cartoon to be like that one Itchy and Scratchy short where they share lemonade?
with them re-airing those shorts hopefully someone uploads them in better quality somewhere
There is a channel called Monkey the Channel (the RUclips of the Hanna-Barbera Screencaps Twitter page) that uploaded higher-quality copies of not just the "What a Cartoon!" shorts, but also the other obscure Cartoon Cartoons, like "Sheep in the Big City", "Mike, Lu, & Og", "Robot Jones", and "Evil Con Carne".
It's side b for me Frankly I sometimes wish there were more cartoons These days
That were just like the ren and stimpy Show and by one , get one free But obviously not directly ripping them off. Just just having the same goofy facial expressions And slightly dark but funny humor
You gotta watch anime to get cartoons with crazier humor these days. Nowadays most modern cartoons try to be a bit more grounded.
@@icecreamhero2375 damn you right
People don't realize that they never glamorize these behaviors as a good thing. Do they think the bad guy should just be Mr. Nice to everybody and never progress the plot?
I can't stand how people look at a PPG episode where Fuzzy's mayor and makes Sarah Bellum wear degrading outfits and think "it was a sign of the times" (it wasn't, and they made it look like a bad thing, people!). I can't stand how people watch Family Guy and see a gag INVOLVING racism and they think the gag is RACIST, when they clearly are mocking people's racism. And I can't stand this new argument they have. This is why so much of modern entertainment is so bland. There's more to modern humor than what literally meets the eye. This is stuff made by adults, it's time to stop being a 90s Nickelodeon kid and join them.
I saw this on Checkered Past
Great video
Personally when it comes to cartoons (I'm throwing a curveball here)
I'm more into creativity with interesting characters
Mean spirited humor doesn't really bug me Granted there are times where it is poorly executed (I mean alot of 80s cartoons suffered this issue but again again, the 80s is extremely hit or miss when it comes to cartoons)
But overall they don't really bug me since for the most part there is context to it
Shows like south park, my gym partners a monkey, rick and morty etc has alot of mean spirited moments but they used it for context
Honestly, I never saw today's cartoons as cuddley shows like amphibia, kiff, etc has their own moments that showcased that we've moved passed from the care bears
I'm weird when it comes to cartoons
I havnt seen this what a cartoon short yet but I will eventually
Agreed.
I'm gen Z (2000 baby specifically), & I had plenty of room in my heart for various kinds of cartoons with different goals/vibes growing up.
I got a kick out of series like Winnie the Pooh just as much as I did with anarchic comedies like Looney Tunes or Ed, Edd n Eddy, or the shows that were somewhere inbetween like SpongeBob, Futurama & Wander Over Yonder.
Can some of these twitter users be oversensitive? Sure, but they're still entitled to their feelings. I love shows like Ren & Stimpy, but I can acknowledge that they're not for everyone. Just kno what you're getting into & don't have a melodramatic meltdown if it makes you uneasy. Cartoons with an unhinged/mean side have their place, & in some cases, were just a product of their time.
That said, I'm also not a fan of all the people who rageout & mock those that don't vibe with certain kinds of cartoons, while writing off all modern animation as toothless fluff. Shows like Gumball & Paul Rudish Mickey Mouse are right there for those partial to slapstick & well-written comedic cynicism.
Molly McGee is probably the most recent example of a great "in-between" show, & it had a very funny snow day episode where the MC has a mental breakdown over the course of a comedic song (something that we could indeed use more of).
And beyond that, let's not pretend the likes of Steven U or Amphibia don't have their dark moments.
Even with my preference for more humorous shows, a good cartoon is a good cartoon, whether it's goin for offbeat edge or kind/laidback vibes, no matter if it's episodic or story-driven.
Like the man said, It all comes down to execution & how much you like or are entertained by the characters.
And as for my stance on the discourse? Regardless of what side you're on, be RESPECTFUL to others, atleast within reason. Keep it civil & don't be so quick to belittle others with different tastes, ESPECIALLY over an old cartoon short that's just OK. 🐱
~ And please pardon the essay, I just had alot of thoughts while typing this, lol.
This nothing burger of a controversy Is the reason why I don’t use Twitter anymore
This cartoon is great!
I know this, along with Worm Paranoia and Ren & Stimpy, isn’t everyone’s cup of tea (and that’s perfectly fine), but I really vibe with this over-the-top and unhinged style.
I strive to make art like this!
ren and stimpy and buy one get one free are pretty good imo. worm paranoia on the other hand i think is too slow paced for me and i think the designs of the worms look pretty unappealing
@@K10thekunt That’s fair.
I do like Worm Paranoia though.
@@Caybee1999 buy one get one free overall does a better job of imitating the ren and stimpy style imo
It’s like these people only watch shows that only debut after the cn real disaster or what was super popular shows without digging in
🙀 awesome video, dude! Just stumbled upon your channel and I'm gonna watch all of your vids!
Thanks...just be cautious of the older ones from my first 4-5 years.
So which version of Ren is the BEST: Spümco's or Games'?
For me, I will go with Spümco's; Because Ren was more nicer to Stimpy…and often takes care of him.
I'm going with Spumco-era Ren, too. I've always been fascinated by the irony behind the Games Animation seasons making Ren meaner, when all the "psychodrama" stuff was among the stuff that Nickelodeon fought with John K. over prior to his firing. Obviously not defending John, but I sense some double standards on Nick's part.
I'm choosing Spümcø’s Ren from now on - and we all know that Spümcø's Ren & Stimpy is *way* more superior and better than Games Animation's versions.
@@NoParkingBerry I'd also like to say John K.'s voice was perfect for Ren, as well as Spümcø's superior art designs.
I remember this cartoon pilot.
I thought it was alright.
Idk that guy who looks in the general direction of women at the gym for like 5 seconds is pretty fierce competition.
Wow I was just thinking about this the other day. Granted I think about this cartoon every time someone says the word 'kitty', but still.
12:00: Lol, Basil of Baker Street. I got that reference.
Side-note: I somehow partially remember the ad that for some reason they kept playing for WEEKS extending before and after this short premiered saying something like "And Buy One Get One Free, the latest Oh Yeah Cartoon!"
I'm glad you appreciate the "Great Mouse Detective" reference! It's a variant of the "No s**t, Sherlock" phrase that I came up with since as early as 2017.
Also, they seriously got "What a Cartoon!" and "Oh Yeah! Cartoons" mixed up in the ad?
@@NoParkingBerry no, I just remembered it wrong. It almost certainly said "The newest What A Cartoon" and I confused it with the ad for the other one.
Edit: Actually now I'm wondering if I'm not thinking of an Oh Yeah Cartoon ad, but I'm preeetty sure it was Buy One etc so it was probably What A Cartoon. I think it aired near a break or something so the ad ran for a week before and then several weeks after (as it was still the 'newest').
Its the 90s where being offended wasn't a thing shows that millennials and early gen z shows wernt suger coated
Being offended was definitively a thing in the 90's. I remember when the US was having congressional hearings about Mortal Kombat and Night Trap, when people blamed Columbine on Doom and Marilyn Manson. thought Pokemon cards and Harry Potter was indoctrinating their children into Satanism and were afraid Bart Simpson would destroy the moral fabric of the youth.
That’s the entirety of Gen Z for you where ppl get so sensitive over everything, same to ppl who support both political wings (left/right) nowadays
We live in a society…
You gotta pet 'em so they can feel it.
Twitter made a stink about this cartoon? Nobody show them the Censored Thirteen.
Ikr? That’s twitter for you.
You mean the "Censored Eleven"? I don't think they and "Buy One, Get One Free" are on the same level of being offensive, due to the "Censored Eleven" having all those outdated Black stereotypes.
@@NoParkingBerry But like, take it this way: if they get upset over something tame like Buy One Get One Free, imagine the reaction they’ll have over actually offensive things.
The only point I'm gonna agree on with that tweet is that Ren and Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon wasn't funny. That show was just trash. And just to be clear, I'm talking about the Adult Party Cartoon iteration specifically, not the original Ren and Stimpy show. I know it doesn't sound like something I need to clarify. But with these people, who goddamn knows.
Yeah, the original "Ren & Stimpy" and "Adult Party Cartoon" are two different beasts, so the only people who would get the two mixed up are those who make clickbait-y videos/articles about "dirty jokes" in 90s kids cartoons, and they use that scene of Ren "sawing" the log sitting on Stimpy's butt from the "APC" episode "Altruists".
From what I heard about the leaked Comedy Central reboot (which I'm trying to avoid until it's officially released in North America), the 2024 series is somewhere in the middle (though some say it's even worse, or at least blander, than "APC").
Man decades that I didn't watch that "Buy One Get One Free" pilot or even the whole What a Cartoon show in general, I remember watched as a kid and well it's was funny in my opinion. 😂
I mean after all, I had the mentality of "well are cartoons, not the real life" so I could laugh about that, always and when if it had a nice or satisfactory ending because if it was bad or bittersweet, well like Mr. Horse said in Ren & Stimpy:
_No sir, I don't like it._
Anyway.
Frederator Studios oversaturated the 5-35 demographic with adventure/comedy/slice of life kids/feelgood cartoons that kids don't even know what slaptick is.
As someone who loves edgy cartoons like aqua teen,south park,robot chicken,kite man,etc this pissed me off
Art doesnt have to be safe art is meant to be a place to express and create so its okay if more twisted pieces of media exist
Looks awesome
I watched it for myself and I thought it was pretty good, if not a little too simplistic. The mean-spirited criticism is overblown, it just fluctuates from really high highs to really low lows.
If you want to see a genuinely mean spirited cartoon, I’d say watch Family Dog. At least the penthouse guy got his comeuppance and the cats got to relax by the end, in Family Dog the family’s all assholes and the poor dog barely even gets to have his day. Absolutely insane to think the show was partially created by Brad Bird, I like dark comedy and slapstick but Family Dog just seriously lacks any heart in spite of its outstanding animation quality.
I love how you brought up "Family Dog", because the reason why I briefly mentioned it in my video was because Brad Bird couldn't see the original "Amazing Stories" episode be expanded into a full series. Yet CBS greenlit it anyway in order to compete with "The Simpsons", and the results were not too kind. I haven't seen a lot of the half-hour series of "Family Dog" (it was okay from what I saw), but I consider the original 1987 short to be one of TV animation's earliest masterpieces that kickstarted the late '80s/90s renaissance, thanks largely to the theatrical-level animation done by Brad Bird's fellow CalArts pals.
This show gets replaced cartoon planet on sept 16th on adultswim
"What this sucks." - Private
As someone who loves the insanity that cartoons can get too I’d definitely be on side B
is it bad that I don’t mind the gargoyle at 0:55 in some of the earlier Ginger episodes?
LOL you remembered when I called Dodie a "gargoyle" in my Klasky Csupo logo ranking video? But in all seriousness, it's okay if you like Dodie as a character. She isn't consistently terrible.
0:36 at this point almost everyone is acting like Mr Enter, I honestly LOVE IT when cartoons go off the wall and just do whatever, and this is no exception!
P.S, I heard you drew Iggy Arbuckle. TBH, I hated that show, it's possibly the worst and ugliest show I've seen all year, if you like it, I could handle your thoughts on it, but Iggy is just a boring and ugly mess
Honestly, I was never a fan of "Iggy Arbuckle" myself. I casually caught it whenever I could on Teletoon, but it left no impact on me other than a catchy theme song. I prefer the creator's earlier show, "Moville Mysteries".
@@NoParkingBerryWasn't a Iggy fan neither. I only enjoyed the animation and character designs in the show if anything.
But all I can say is that the guy who made the show also helped with Growing Up Creepie, which was a more memorable cartoon.
It sure looks like something John K did
It look like a ren and stimpy cartoon
Yes, most cartoon characters these days tend to be a bit nicer. We have a few outliers like Rock Paper Scissors. That show is hilarious. It's basically if Always Sunny were appropriate for kids. The characters like each other, but their actions sometimes aren't great, especially Scissors. LOL, in Teen Titans Go, the other titans sometimes tease Robin.
I remember one TTG episode where the Titans prank Robin into thinking his parents were in another room, only for him to get caught in tape.
@@happaxgamma That was a funny epsiode. The point was they were going too far with the pranks and Raven called them out.
I think the problem with more modern shows that aim for a more mean-spirited angle is that they come across as too try-hard these days to be shocking. It worked in the ‘90s since cartoons of its type hadn’t been seen in the mainstream for a very long time. But nowadays, people are still used to them and it’s since worn out a lot of its appeal.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 What modern shows are you talking about?
@@icecreamhero2375 Stuff like TTG, “Benson is a Beast”, and such.
So we're all now pretending that Ren & Stimpy and the rest of what John K. did in the 90's was never good huh?
I remember watching that cartoon on TV lol twitter leave my childhood alone
I mean, id assume john k made it at a quick glance cuz its similar to his artstyle before he got fired from nickelodeon
As someone who’s an 2006 gen-z person that likes dark humor, edgy cartoons and 90s/2000s cartoons
Yeah Twitter is Twitter for you nowadays, ppl get sensitive over EVERYTHING same to both political wings (left/right) nowadays.
people who have a problem with this cartoon will give their kids an ipad with finger family.
I actually vividly remember this pilot.
First off: I'M GETTING FUCKING OLD!!
Second: That guy in the blue suit? Me with my brother if he ever broke my switch. (Even if it was an accident)
Third: Honestly, I'm pretty content with Johnny Bravo, Billy & Mandy and Courage the Cowardly Dog among some others having gotten a series over this one. Though looking at it with a bit more of a morbid nature, this was actually amusing.
some creepy shit is better than literal propaganda shows for the status quo we have now
Oh hey this was on Adult Swim 3 months ago.
Love Your Voice. It’s so goofy.
LOL! I do my best not to make it sound too monotonous.
THIS GUY NEEDS TO CALM DOWN!!! 🫢
Honestly, I grew up with both wholesome and edgy stuff, but I’d agree with you; certain things change over time, but you shouldn’t treat it like it’s the most horrible thing ever. Like people are okay with “safe edgy” stuff like Hazbin/Helluva, but when you bring in stuff like, idk, say Postal 1 (I can’t think of anything else rn that actually pushes the boundaries of being edgy), it gets flamed on. I’d like to hear your views. 🙀
I forgot to mention this in the video, but I've seen instances of Side B accusing Side A of being hypocrites for enjoying "Smiling Friends" and even "Cow and Chicken" (an infamously "Ren & Stimpy"-esque series), but not being able to handle "Buy One, Get One Free". I guess "Smiling Friends" falls under the "safe edgy" category you brought up, given the genuinely wholesome moments amidst all the surrealism.
@@NoParkingBerry I agree. Short Fat Otaku has a great video on the topic. I recommend that you watch it. My thesis is this; as long as it doesn’t have any connections to any controversial thing that the creator has done IRL or smth, it’s passable. It’s wonky, but you probably get my point.
@@Ot4kuP4t0What's the title of that video? I watch him but I don't remember him covering 90's cartoons: only the gradual staleness of _The Simpsons_ .
@@1685Violin It’s something like “You can’t be both edgy and safe” or smth like that. It’s a great analysis on “safe edgy”, not 90’s cartoons.
I was born in 1987 and didn't see an issue with this short ive seen just about everything in cartoon network throw at me lol
I’ll be honest despite the really well animated animation, I didn’t really connect to the 1st season of Ren and Stimpy. I thought most of the jokes were too slow paced, and i kinda find the show boring. I did laugh at points at the absurdity, but it wasn’t a Laugh Out Loud thing. I’ll give Ren and Stimpy a 6/10.
I personally found it pretty amazing imo.
Considering what's happening to cats in Springfield, Ohio, at the moment, this isn't the worst thing that has happened to a cat.😢
I personally don’t like R&S artstyle and humor at all. But why are they calling it mean spirited, when the man got punished for abusing his cat? Seems pretty reasonable to me
I like to watch disturbing cartoons. Why do you think that Ren and Stimpy is one of my all-time favorites?
I’m a Zoomer, and I really want to see this cartoon, I don’t Twitter at all, and thank goodness I never went on there because Twitter is a cesspool of toxicity and depraved shit. And this video only made me interested in seeing this more.
🙀
I really don’t feel one way or the other. I didn’t care much about the cartoon (other than that the one guy was an a-hole and I’m glad his cat ended up with the lady), but people can feel however they want. I just think people need to be civil instead of automatically mocking and belittling the other side.
^This
Too mean-spirited? For who? It's airing on adult swim, right?
ADULT swim?
I thought that was the whole point.
Yeah, and some of these people are the same ones who praise "Smiling Friends". So, double standards?
oh i remember seeing the what a cartoon on Max.... its weird cuz its mostly just a compilation of animations on a streaming site? idk, feels off
I know it's different but have these people ever watched Tom & Jerry?
Charlie Bean directed the "Lego Ninjago Movie"? On the plus side, at least Flinch is living happily with a cat lover; so I guess I like "Buy One Get One Free" over that.
I swear zoomers can't watch anything outside of Nick Jr and other toddler shows
"DiScOuRsE" 🙀
I watched that when I was little, everything is all cartoon physics, so I was like..... Nah it was all kind of fake for my childhood memory. 😺
im on side b
so we can have creepy good shows or propaganda bad shows
im on side c. people are entitled to having their own impressions, sure, i wish they were more open minded, but i can see why someone would be weirded out, specially if the clip is out of context or they dont have all the info on who made it. at the same time, theres nothing that disturbing about the short?? and i like weird art, i like art that pushes the boundaries of what art is seen as supposed to look like, i like stuff that isnt easily marketable. so seeing it i totally feel that it was a fun short with zany humor and designs like any other, and its very very mean to say stuff like this about someones art style, regardless of what it is and who made it.
i think people need to be comfortable with the fact that bad people will sometimes be wicked talented. john k is an unfortunate example here. no, his work isnt retroactively awful now because he is an awful person, he just is an awful person who ended up making something good (or at least, thought of as good by many, even if it isnt your cup of tea). he wasnt a lone genius either, and thats another myth that needs to be shut down. many people work on a cartoon in order to get it going, so his work wasnt even his alone for anyone to go on and write it off entirely as bad art. furthermore, as an artist with several more artist friends, i think a lot about how artists who go for similarly zany styles feel when they see people call this type of art disgusting and uncomfortable. sure, part of that is intentional, but it still has to hurt to be trying hard to make something with passion only to be told that people think your art just sucks.
in conclusion... i cant see myself on either side, because side a is being, ironically, mean spirited about someones work of art that has a lot of heart and humor put into it and side b while more accepting of the short is saying some very out of pocket things about side a, instead of focusing on any objective arguments. you dont have to like the short, but you cant deny its well put together, and you must have respect for art. but also if you write out legit concerns over supporting a creep and even JOKE about assault itself? youre awful too, and i want nothing to do with you.😺
This cartoon is great