Same here! But I saw Leia had seen more galactic suffering due to his adoptive parents and her travels. That is why she jumped into the rebellion so fast to do something about it. While Luke was more hesitant and naive about the Impire's brutality. Everything change until his family was destroyed 😔.
No doubt@@fersho450 . However, Leia, literaly, faced Vader and saw the districtution of her home planet Alderan. Both Leia and Luke are robed of everything at some point or another, to a greater or lesser way. I see them as equals both fighting against the Impire their own ways and strengths. But subtle differences exists. Such as the one you mentioned.
Leia would turn if she was a Jedi. She wouldnt have tried to redeem Vader she wouldve tried to kill him. She had no love or longing for her father like Luke did. The Emperor wouldve succeeded in using her anger where he failed with Luke.
A great point! As a leader of the Rebellion, Leia knew Darth Vader's reputation, probably from very early. Luke hardly knew who Vader was until he learned He was his father. Luke wasn't clouded by Vader's villainy the way Leia would have been. He could see past it and find his father underneath; Leia would only ever see a monster
@@tommytommy7535 he did, but remember, before Ar-too found him, he was gonna go become a tie fighter pilot. Infact, he was supposed to have left, but I think he stayed back because some machines were broken and his aunt and uncle needed them for harvest season..? (Maybe a delay tactic bc they did not want him going, or obi wan being smart lol). Anyway, he was not really a rebel and believed in the empire before he was yanked into craziness. Thus, he had a blank slate for Vader from a rebel's perspective. He also had obi wan's training and was patient as Padme, so could wait to sort his feelings before charging in. (Sorry for the rant lol)
I always assumed Leia's weakness was her inability to let her attachment go and she was way too involved in the galactic scene to just stop caring unless the Force was out of balance so she willingly stopped knowing she couldn't commit despite her power. Atleast that's how I've always interrupted Leia over the years not the "Luke I had a bad dream about my son"
I know Ep 9 has many flaws, but credit where credit is due. I think Leia was handled very well. Critically, you can probably pick them apart, but that's not the point. There's a lot of love pouring out of those scenes and im glad she got to be a big, relevant part of it. It was a painstakingly crafted tribute to someone they personally knew and loved that regardless of the quality of the movie, still deserves to be appreciated.
@@stevencolon1723 In fainess to JJ, he was handed back a poisoned chalice by RJ. He tried to rectify Ray's training and tried to repair some of the damage done to Luke. Unfortunately the damage was done and there wasn't a great deal he could do. There are a lot of plot holes and issues with previous canon but I didn't mind it. I just think of the sequels as an alternative universe/time line where Sidious influenced luke and made him depressed (which is canon as per comics when he tried to do it around the time of Empire) leading him to self exile. For me the correct time line (my head canon) is legends. Especially Legacy of the Force and fate of the jedi.
@@stevencolon1723 Now that you mention it, I see why I liked ep 9 more than 8. They actually showed the relevant in between parts that made the movie, and Rey in general, more believable. Though something like The Clone Wars series for in betpween ep 6 and 7 would be good, where Disney try to explain their bizarre canon. Look at what Dave Filoni did with the prequels! Absolute magic. True, it will probably never be as good as legends, but something is better than nothing, right?
More like Jedi can force pull themselves towards an object now instead of only being able to pull them object to them. In the case of Leia, she had high force sensitivity and was the daughter of Anakin Skywalker so she could pull herself towards a whole ship with ease. The logic for that scene isn’t rocket science. You just didn’t like it personally and think you need to justify not liking it by saying it’s “illogical.”
@@fdsajfldaskjf Mary poppins in space scene was jumping the shark. Cmon. The vacuum would’ve boiled every capillary in her body for the amount of time she was EV. Stupid fucking scene imo.
@@SailorBoy-qo4nt Wait she does? I though she refused to be a Jedi. Why didn’t she get involved when Jacen turned evil? I haven’t read every single comic but I thought It would’ve been referenced.
In legends she is trained by luke and becomes a jedi after leaving politics. In legends she was a great jedi, not over powered or a dark jedi. I recommend the un-abridge (Don't get abridged!) audible book sets read by Marc Thompson- 'Legacy of the Force' - story of Jacen Solo becoming Darth Caedus And 'Fate of the Jedi' - story of the ancient Abaloth and the Lost tribe of the Sith.
@@BrennySpain Eh, the force Unleashed dlc was all pretty dumb. Remember when Starkiller killed Ben Kenobi and then immediately fought and killed his freakin force ghost?
Interesting that she said that! I do remember seeing that anger when Leia was captured by Vader. Carrie Fisher was indeed a nice actress who stayed true to the character she played in Star Wars. As for that anger would make Leia a terrible Jedi, unless she found a way to forgive and let it go, that’s possible I think.
I agree, but I don't think she would actually be an antagonist. I think it's still possible to use the dark side for a good cause, even if it's a dangerous path to follow.
In my own personal theory: Leia would’ve been the next Mace Windu. Yes she could have that anger towards evil. But I think we’re mistaking her anger for having no tolerance towards evil doers. Redemption isn’t something won through death but the willingness to fight through it to build a better future. Leia becoming a Jedi I believe would’ve enhanced her abilities but also her compassion. Not just as a princess, nor Jedi, but as a sister, wife and soon to be mother. She would definitely go down the darker path if she was pushed into a corner and truly believe she was going to lose EVERYTHING. Almost like her grandfather but with the resolve of Padme. Just a opinion/personal theory… may the force be with us all.
Someone who knows what's up. I cant handle the amount of "Hurr durr Lady Leia can't handle her emotions." It's pretty insulting and embarrassing this was brought up at all
Wrong, Luke's Jedi were already like Windu before Disney. What's funny is my Official Guide to the Force is no longer canon. Luke let them marry, have kids, fall in love. They were the peak of what Jedi should be.
@@erikpepper9041 even tho the EU of Star Wars is legends it’s still a solid foundation to show what Leia was capable of. Luke strayed away but Leia held on. Even in canon leia held on to the light and kept fighting even when Luke disappeared. Leia doesn’t get enough credit for the trials she personally went through. Her biggest weakness was herself. At the end of it all, Leia was also a general despite being a royal. Once Leia became a mother I fully believe her resolve became much stronger. Even when Ben fell, she still kept fighting. She’s able to accept the things that’s happened and pass on her own ambitions to create unity amongst a galaxy in turmoil. From The age of the Empire to the First Order in canon, even in Legends, Leia has remained consistent, perceptive and patient to act upon many situations. Just because she had the potential to be stronger than Luke she knew her role and left the role of Jedi master to Luke while she was the person that was able to bridge the gap between citizen and supernatural warrior. :) either way it’s an opinion and I fully respect your outlook. It’s nice to see another side of things while being civil. May the force be with you always!
Exactly. Force abilities or not, if she was gonna go dark, it would've been after the DS destroyed her planet and the only father she ever knew. She wasn't driven by anger after that event. A character doesn't need to be trained to lean on the darkside
I always found it interesting that Leia looks so much like Padme and also a politician, and Luke looks just like Anakin and he's a jedi and a pilot, BUT when you look at their personalities Luke is so much like Padme - so kind and generous and forgiving, strong with his morals and the path he chose, and Leia is so much like Anakin - stubborn, angry towards all the injustice and cruelty in the galaxy, sometimes unforgiving (I imagin she never forgave Anakin for Alderaan, whereas Luke kept seeing good in Vader, just like Padme did). And yes, Anakin and Leia are good people, and powerful force users, but I think that doesn't mean they are good Jedi (at least with the old code we know of).
In "Legends" her training with Luke was very tough for her because she was extremely fearful of losing control and becoming "like her father". she trained and quit many times to pursue her role as a politician and did eventually become a knight. She became aware that she was subconsciously using battle meditation and force persuade instinctively. But she was ALWAYS afraid of her power in the force which dwarfs Luke. But she never FULLY gave herself to the force or jedi. But I totally disagree that she would make a bad jedi if anything I would see her being more like qui gon Jin. Her strong morals would have her do what she felt right. But that would conflict with traditional jedi dogma and law. If anything I would see her as a sentinel strong in the force but always tip toeing on the dark
Also in legends under Luke thr Jedi are taught to follow the force and do what is right over following orders. So her morals shouldn't be a problem. And didn't seem to be in the legends book sets I've read/listened to on audible.
@@a_fine_edition2746 no George Lucas has gone on record saying that Leia was more powerful than Luke. She just never fully gave herself to the force or jedi. Don't get me wrong Luke was absolutely mind boggling powerful and legendary in his own rights. But if Leia would have fully dedicated herself to being a jedi Luke would have been like a ant under her boot in term of power
Nowhere in legends and Canon is she more powerful than Luke. The only reason Rey was more powerful in TROS was because of a bunch of unrealistic feminist BS that Lucas had nothing to do with and would have never done himself. Many times in interviews Lucas has said that Luke was the most powerful Jedi, and if you logically work it out the only one who ever had more potential than Luke was Anakin, but that all ended in his battle with Obi Wan and his fall to the dark side. There is absolutely no evidence that Leias power dwarfs lukes.
@@d1grizz I agree though I have read a quote from Lucas saying Luke reached the full power that Anakin would have if he didn't get burn to a crisp. But, that's him talking about it and not actually written into canon. The thing with Luke is that he was a much better student than Anakin and as a result (in legends because Disney canon is bs) he reached a much greater skill level, regardless of potential. If that makes sense? I don't think Liea was ever described as being as powerful as Luke in legends either, at least not the books I've read. Even if she had the same 'potential' Luke had over a decade more training and he studied HARD from multiple jedi and non jedi force users and continued to study and learn his whole life. Liea, on the other hand was trained by Luke and maybe some other masters which Luke also trained. So even with the same potential Liea could never have reached Lukes level of skill in the force even if she continued to train after becoming a jedi Knight. Which she didn't and she never reached the rank of master either. I don't even know where this supposed 'quote' from Lucas about her being more powerful came from, I've certainly never seen an original source for it and to me it seems like some made up bs to wind up the fan base.
Now this would've been a cool sequel. Leia tries her best to be the ideal Jedi but just like her father she falls to the dark side, and we get a trilogy of Luke trying to save Leia and Leia's internal struggles. The two most powerful beings in the galaxy, the children of the Chosen One battling it out.
Carrie was right. I remember when I was a kid and saw ESB. Yoda said that there was much anger in Luke, and I thought that was strange because he didn't seem angry to me. When I was older, I understood that Luke's "anger" was was really just impatience and frustration, and not hate. I always noticed that Leia was very quick to anger, and Luke was not. You can hear how angry she is when she speaks to Vader at the beginning of ANH. After seeing the PT and TCW, I can see that Leia is much more like Anakin, and Luke is much more like Padme in temperament. I agree that she would be a Dark Jedi. I believe that Luke really was their only hope, as well as Anakin's only hope of redemption. It was Luke's unwavering belief in his father, and the good still in him, that lead Vader to kill the Emperor. I think had Leia been trained and gone to face Vader, she would have killed him, and then she would have been killed by Palpatine. She would have refused to join him, but she would not have been powerful enough to kill him.
In my humble opinion, given that statement the Carrie Fisher gave about Leia can be her hubris. She is too idealistic, and pretty much like Anakin in the Clone Wars. Her witnessing the suffering of the galaxy under the Empire, the politics in the Senate, and the destruction of Alderaan are the more reasons she had pent up rage and she had attachments, which is something the Jedi should avoid. Sure, she faced Vader in a collected manner but she never faced nor encountered the Emperor, who could easily manipulate her emotions to his advantage unlike Luke. Had she trained with Luke at an early rate, she would've been a powerful Jedi like Anakin and Luke being her Obi-Wan, one who can reason with her emotional nature
This might sound odd, i never liked Leia being force sensitive, She was always better in my opinion as a blaster wielding competent leader, Not as a force user
@@Enigma75614 Beg your pardon but I think people take that line too literally. It just means that Jedi must never take the overall aggressive stance. You cannot defend people without taking offensive action to neutralise the threat. The novel "I, Jedi" has a great scene where one of Luke's students asks why they're going after a gang of pirates when Jedi are supposed to "Use the force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." Luke points out that they're going to rescue a kidnapped woman, they're acting in her defence and defence of the people the pirates have been terrorising. It's not like the Jedi are going out and picking a fight with people minding their own business.
Jaina Solo, the daughter of Leia and Han, became a powerful Jedi which led to her becoming the Sword of the Jedi and eventually gave and defeat Sith Lord Darth Caedus (her twin brother Jacen). I believe her power is a reflection of Leia's. However, Jaina wasn't brought up during the time of the rebellion, so her experiences were not as traumatic as that of Leia's. So she was raised more balanced and better suited for Jedi. Leia, as you mentioned, had experienced more trauma and thus had anger issues, which would drive her more to the dark side. It's a good thing Luke trained Leia at a later age where she was more centered.
Doesnt that just highlight Luke's weakness? How is Vader goading Luke perfectly have any bearing on who Leia is. If I scammed your family into paying lawyer fees because I said you were in prison, does that make you a criminal? No it doesnt.
This is such a good point. When I was reading through Bloodline by Claudia Gray, I really got the sense that her use of anger was much different and much more dangerous than Luke’s.
Yh im confused potential wise to because Lucas stated that Luke and anakin were equal in potential so I’m confused on why leia would be stronger than Luke 😂
There are times when we have to ignore the writers and just make our own conclusion with facts... For Example: Dragon Ball has guides for the tranformations, such as Super Saiyan being a times 50 multiplier, Super Saiyan 2 being 100 multiplier and Super Saiyan 3 being 400 multiplier...yet in the actual story, when they go super saiyan, they barely perform better
I read a theory that Leia was stronger than Luke in the mental aspect of the force as she was stronger at shielding and mind tricks where as Luke just had the more strong raw potential. That the reason Anakin and Padme didn't know that there were twins was cause Leia was naturally shielding herself in the womb.
She stood up to Vader, under torture, as a teenager. She would have just wiped out the Sith and become the balance in the force herself as the chosen one. The Jedi were masters of procrastination, she would have kicked them as well if they were still around.
I always figured Leia as a Jedi would be similar to a mix of Anakin (sometimes letting negative emotions take over--she is a Skywalker after all) with Qui-Gonn (his politically defiant and critical nature of power structures). I'd love to see a show that delves into Leia's training as a Jedi that we currently have in canon, and seeing some sibling adventures with the powerful twins of the force, Luke and Leia. I mean, how awesome would it be to see Jedi Master Luke and with Jedi Padawan Leia soon after the events of Return of the Jedi? C'mon Disney/Lucasfilm, lets make this happen!
So with Leia, I feel she would have two conflicting roles. She was already established as like the lead political leader which her duty was to the people. If she became a Jedi, her duty would have to be to the Force. As we learn from the Clone Wars the will of people and the will of the Force don't always agree and would have to pick one over the other. At the end she would of had to pick to be a Jedi or a politician. With Luke already taking the lead in restoring the order, Leia was best suited to be the politician to restore the Republic. I think she would have learned to control her anger under Luke's guidance, but the New Republic needed her more.
And that's why I prefer the EU. Leia in the EU although she was being trained, she didn't truly accept the title of Jedi until after she was done with the political side of her career. It was only during her later years was when she was truly ready to be a Jedi. Even losing her son Anakin Solo didn't stop her nor did it break up her and Han, unlike...you know.
Had Leia grown up on Tatooine she may have been quite different. Had Luke grown up on Alderaan he probably would have still been a phenomenal squadron pilot. If Obi-Wan and Yoda trained her who knows what we'd have got. Really it's nature vs. nurture plus environment that come into play. One has to consider the Buddhist concept of time, capacity, and place as mutually intrinsic. In the screen test she dusted all the Valley Girls, she had a nobility which made her perfect in that casting. If she had to be the Jedi in the story we may have gotten an entirely different actress.
I feel like she could've been a Jedi, a very powerful one as you stated, but only temporarily. I think she wouldn't choose to be a Jedi for the rest of her life. I've always saw that her real strength and discipline lies in channeling her anger and determination towards leadership and politics. That's her zone and that's where she excels.
Old EU novels, Han tried to take her on vacation, and she ended up haggling on trade goods and brokering deals between merchants for cargo shipments. She made a lot of good money on the side, but the point of a vacation is just to relax and not deal with .. any .. business. Leia even caught the attention of two rival ISD captains that were force to .. haggle .. with the local smuggler cartels. The world nor the two captains wanted to joint the New Republic but she did help them set up better trade arguments and set up mining operations and a better running ship construction yard. It later paid off during the Vong War, along with a few other novels leading up to said events. In some of the books Imperials and smugglers teased her about becoming the next Palpatine if she is not careful.
Well that sounds to me like she comes very much after her father, what adds up quite well with luke being more the mindset of padme. Btw the thing yoda told obi wan about an other, if u combine it with the outline lucas had for the sequels, that referes as well to anakin instead to luke n the last hope for the galaxy. It of course could answer on that but, she was to b revealed as the chosen one at the end so it could very well mean she has borderline m level like daddy before. Crazier even is to concider how insanely bad ass luke became even with a lower capacity for connecting with the force. But probably flaws in her character would have unabled her to reach the full potential. She would have to explore the dark side, n the impulsive driven anny head makes it very likely for her to fall. If she would go there, she would only refuse to b concidered a sith, because of her hate for them. She would even more b in danger of falling, by the illusion of safety this might create to herself.
No I think she very well could turn. The character seeks revenge for alderan and hates very deeply cause of it. Not to mention her fear of the empire winning. Plus, movie wise, Luke is shown going toe to toe and defies the emperor and clearly resists the dark side. Leia would cave in, showing her as the darker descendant of Anakin and Luke the lighter. Today this would never hold up though obviously cause Hollywood can never show a women as the evil one lol.
Leia likely would have understood the flaws of the Jedi much quicker than Luke did. That's probably why she never seems interested in joining the Jedi to begin with. Her heart is in what is best for the galaxy. The Jedi, as a group, seem to prioritize their own dogma. So, yes, I agree that she wouldn't make a good Jedi. I just think we might disagree on why that is.
Star Wars theory should read the legends material… most accurate depiction of the characters for what would of happened after return of the Jedi. She became a powerful Jedi but not quiet to the level of Luke… bcuz Luke’s order is more like a grey Jedi order mastering their emotions instead of fearing them like the past Jedi orders… harnessing the dark side abilities and light side abilities and not seeing attachment as bad but somthing to control. Leia with her emotions was just fine as long as u put as a notice for doing right. Perhaps she would of been a perfect candidate for juyo/vapaad.
Very interesting insight but I get the feeling George already made her a Jedi is his unused script for his version of episodes 7 to 9. In my mind, I already have her down as an established Jedi by EU lore standards. Maybe this would make great material for her character development as she trains to be a Jedi. On the flip side, I thinks this would make an interest ‘what if, story arch to explore. Might even be badass! Too bad Carrie Fisher isn’t around to share her two cents. God rest her soul. After thought: Could you make a story or film about this Theory? Might pay to see this version of Leia and others interacting with her.
I don't see how her anger would have ended any different than her fathers. Once she went dark she would have fallen and become a Sith like her father. Maces darkness came more from his intense seriousness rather than anger.
@@tommytommy7535 It was all about what he wanted. Demanding to be a Jedi Master when he was still a kid. Stalking Padme , then having tantrums when she didn't do what he wanted. Expecting the Jedi council explain all their business to him. The reason he fell was because Palps fed his ego.
She watched what was later determined to be her father blow up the entire planet she grew up on. I wonder where her anger came from. Oops I left it out, then he tortured her for information against her step parents and all her remaining friends. Gotta love daddy.
Leia was a lot like Anakin...which is quite ironic, considering that she never accepted Anakin as her real father. I feel that she would do the mistakes (maybe not all, just some) that her father did: allowing her judgement to be clouded by her feelings and her bitterness. So yeah she wouldn't be a Jedi as level-headed as Luke or Obi Wan.
Leia's emotions powering her reminds me of the theory of Rey being a female clone of Starkiller since kaminoans would've noticed that female humans were more emotional than male ones and force users driven by emotions noticably were more powerful than average passive Jedi.
It also kind of makes sense for her to be the "dark twin" just like the twins that Anakin faced in Clone Wars. But like you said, not Sith, but definitely a Dark Jedi. Also she totally would have been the Martial Jedi (Blue) to Luke's Force Jedi (Green), so making her more like Anakin and Luke like Padme'. Is also why I believe the prophecy was about Luke (sure Anakin was the one that would bring balance, but it wasn't ONLY Anakin), as I feel like Luke would have kept her balanced, just like he was able to pull Anakin back from the darkness, he could have kept her from falling completely to the darkness.
I am rewatching clonewars and i found something, in S7 E7 the people who trace saves at the prison are the same people that are in cids bar in bad batch
Leia’s saber should have been purple. Leia as a Jedi in legends seems to be more level headed. But yeah. This makes sense. Imagine Luke and Leia dueling in ROTJ instead of Luke and Vader.
I love how you pad the truth with compliments about Leia every few minutes.. Wish you didn't have to calculate that, but respect for keeping it all truthful!
I just don't see Leia like that at all. I think she had the same amount of anger as Luke. You could see it come out when she interacted with Han before they hooked up. It was no more or less than Luke's. Seriously. The one thing that would make her a better Jedi is that she was already educated in tactics and leadership and diplomacy (although negotiating with your enemies, who have the advantage, by commenting on their stench is probably not sound diplomatic advice). But yeah she did see her home planet destroyed in front of her and have the weight of the rebellion on her shoulders. But the way she was able to compartmentalize the destruction of Alderaan, at least until the mission had been accomplished, shows me a lot of potential.
@@t3mvideos505 ym safely not canon. It's too much and big for a prequel to the four five six trilogy. It works as a alternate universe sw story. Force Awakens and Last Jedi are perfect sequels. And jstice
@@SB992REBORN I'm with SHARKA Studios, TLJ and TFA being perfect Sequels? That's laughable and just untrue, Mate. Those films threw the significance of the OT/PT into the dumpster in order to retread the same ground with none of the good writing while contradicting themselves and the rest of the series.
So you're telling me that if Leia had been trained to be a Jedi that she would've been a Rouge Jedi or something? I sometimes thought that she would've been a badass Jedi, if she ever did got into training sooner.
@@IISimpleII no offense, but not too many people cares about the sequel trilogy, as most true fans of the Star Wars universe don't really consider this trilogy Canon. (Like at all)
@@IISimpleII well here's the hard thing, I don't care about this trilogy. I used to think that there's some potential that could be shown in the movies. But eversince the Rise of Skywalker came out and I watch it for the first (and only) time, I just didn't care anymore. It just doesn't really seem that relevant to me with the story nor that it live up the hype that I once had for this pile of nonsense. 😒😒😒
Anakin, lost his family/ whole world and turn to full devotion into building a military and seeking out battle field victories to burry his original pain. Yeah, Leia follow suit.
Well I mean how would you feel if you just watched your planet be annihilated? Everything you know and loved suddenly and violently destroyed. I'd be angry too, not for the same reasons of course, as Leia had many great intentions.
Disney is stupid they'd make more money if legends became official. They could create so many great stories and movies from legends. Better than High Republic.
I think the one who should train her in the ways of the force is Mace Windu. He could teach her vaapad and help her use her anger. I know technically he uses the dark side of his opponent but maybe they could alter it enough for her? Just a thought.
I respect Carrie's opinion but I think she was entirely wrong. If anyone would make for a "good" Jedi, it would be Leia. She sacrificed everything. And by everything, SHE, was responsible for risking the death of everyone she respresented as Princess on Alderan for the greater good. Leia, was a true Jedi. The fact that she was spunky is a different conversation. Yoda training along with research, like Luke did, would likely have removed most of that. In my opinion, Luke was far less likely to be a good Jedi than Leia. What exactly did Luke sacrifice? Not being able to apply to the Imperial Academy, so he could hone his T-16 womp rat bulls-eying skills? Just my opinion.
George Lucas confirmed that Anakin and Luke shared the same potential. He also revealed that as twins, Luke and Leia would be equals in Force ability. This means that father, son and daughter all shared the potential to harness the Force as well as each other. I'd disagree that Leia would be more powerful than Luke. I do believe however that she would have had more faith in her abilities than Luke did because she was more confident and self-assured. That means that had they trained at the same time and at the same pace, Leia probably would've progressed a lot faster than Luke did. This could give the impression that she would've been more powerful but Luke just needed longer to believe in himself and his abilities.
While she might not be a *true* Jedi, I think she might be a suitable candidate for an extremely powerful GRAY Jedi that tends to lean more to the dark when she lets her emotions get the better of her
Seeing as The Empire had destroyed her home planet, she would be justified being so angry. But a Jedi? Well if she was trained as a Jedi from birth or infancy like in the prequel era, she could have been a formidable one. If she was trained as a Jedi like Luke was, in her late teens, as theory said, she would be a dark Jedi. However, just being more powerful doesn't make you a stronger Jedi (ROTS). So, I believe she would never have been able to surpass Luke Skywalker.
In legends. Luke talks about Leia as a Jedi. Saying as a Jedi Diplomat, she would be incredible. But Leia did lack patience, even in the Heir to the Empire novel. She keeps getting distracted, she has to help the New Republic, she is also at the early stages of pregnancy. She does eventually become a Jedi Knight much later on. But she is not as committed as Luke was. I think that’s the difference. Once the war ended after Ep VI, Luke became private citizen Skywalker. So he could devote his time to the Jedi. I just don’t know if Leia ever could have that patience, her eagerness would sort of outweigh her willingness to become a Jedi.
I think she would have definitely become a morally grey Jedi character, that uses some Dark Side abilities though, who would never pledge her loyalty to the Sith/Empire. Also, Mace Windu is of course, not the only morally grey Jedi character ever written for Star Wars (which is especially true with regard to the Expanded Universe/Legends lore/history). There are ways that Baris Offee in "The Clone Wars" series can be considered a Grey Force-user (and perhaps not a full Dark Jedi despite her dark choices/actions), even though she did fight using Ventress's Sith Lightsabers during her duel in the Jedi Temple with Anakin. There also ways that Ashoka and even Obi-wan could be considered Grey-Force Users/Grey Jedi as they did not always adhere to rules of the Jedi Order itself, but this does not necessarily make them completely evil. The fine line from my prospective is, when a Jedi willing kills innocent either to achieve some form of personal influence/power over others or even just to try to create a certain outcome in a situation (the example being, how Baris choose to attack the Jedi Temple, in order to convince the Jedi and the Republic to end the Clone War.). That is why to me, it is likely more accurate to say Baris at that point had become a Dark Jedi, but unlike General Krell, she wasn't trying to impress the Sith in order to join them or anything like that, yet she still was willing to kill innocents to achieve her own goals. Other examples of Grey-Force Users or Grey Jedi from Legends and possibly canon, include Jolee Bindo, Revan, Bastila & Satele Shan, Qui-gon Jinn, Galen Marek/Starkiller, Kyle Katarn as well as Grandmaster Luke Skywalker (though the New Jedi Order he created in Legends held different views on Jedi morality and use of the Force, as opposed to those of the original Jedi Order).
I feel she would have had control over her anger. You don't become an actually good Diplomat by screaming at people because you're in a bad mood. And that was Princess Leia strength, she was inspiring and could talk out of situations. Yes she was angry, but she was used to controlling that. In the words of a very wise Jedi: it is about controlling your passions, not rejecting them. Jedi need to be more human. Not less. Otherwise we get apathetic preachers, rather than understanding keepers of the peace.
I think her emotions would have gotten the upper hand in the end and probably would have prevented her from reaching her full potential. In the Tatooine Ghost novel when she and Han visit Tatooine she sees an auctioned hologram of Anakin winning the podrace being sold and she immediately gets angry that they would sell something showcasing Anakin in a positive light. It wasn’t until she met with his friends that she was able to empathize with Anakin’s turn and see things from a different perspective. It was easier for her to judge and hate him than forgive him. I think that was one of the biggest differences between her and Luke. He could let go of his anger and recognize the finer details in a situation. She would have made an amazing Jedi but I think she made the right choice deciding not to train. I can imagine Luke and her would have butted heads a lot lol.
Leia strikes as being very pragmatic, so she would have a lot of impatience for the Jedi restrained way at doing things. If she saw the Jedi way as being able to accomplish what she felt needed to be done, then I think she would exhibit the required amount of control, but if she came to believe that it was not enough, then she might turn to the dark side for very specific purposes. The ends may start to justify the means for her.
I would love to see an alternate story where Leia became a jedi with her brother, would be interesting if she did become more like Mace Windu to Luke's Qui gon/Obi Wan
Before their Jedi training, Leia was more in the present than Luke. She never craved adventure or wanted to get out of her current situation. Luke meanwhile was a dreamer and led by his emotions. Definitely good points about her anger. She's a Skywalker after all. But I think terrible is way to strong based on everything we know. She would've had flaws but would've been a great Jedi IMO
Interesting! I've always suspected Leia wouldn't be as 'good' a Jedi as Luke, but hadn't considered how her anger would contribute to a darker path for her.
So basically she could have become another Anakin, as he was doing all of those evil acts out of love for his wife trying to protect her and when that was gone he was lost... hopefully Leia never gets that same loss
I love Leia as a Jedi, she should be as equally powerful or even more powerful because of dedication and her character in general than Luke. But I don't like if they put Identity Politics for the reason for Leia being more powerful than Luke, as in without flaws or weakness, that's classic smh if disney do that. like Rey towering Luke, and trained sith lord... without training
Idk, to me I think Star Wars Theory didn’t have the right title for this topic, because he pretty much talked about how AWESOME she would be if she were to be a Jedi.
Wait, Theory. I got... Well, a crazy theory here... If Padme was the queen of Naboo, and Leia is the daughter of Padme, wouldn't she now become the heir for Naboo? Especially when Palpatine dies. Doesn't Leia now have that sort of power to claim there? This could be an interesting video to talk about
I really liked Jedi Leia in The Force Unleashed. She had a gorgeous heroic appearance and put up a pretty good fight against Starkiller. I would love to see more Jedi Leia in the future.
Jedi Leia would’ve been a lot like Anakin in his Clone Wars days
Yes! After seen the Clone Wars I agree 100%.
Yeah maybe less of what happens later on at the end of the clone wars.
@@River-pg1uk Hopefully...
Leia: I'm a war criminal, like my father before me!
Leia: I’m a genocidal maniac, like my father before me.
I always thought that Luke was more like Padmé in the way that he was more calm and collected where as Leia was more rash and aggressive like Anakin.
Same here! But I saw Leia had seen more galactic suffering due to his adoptive parents and her travels. That is why she jumped into the rebellion so fast to do something about it. While Luke was more hesitant and naive about the Impire's brutality. Everything change until his family was destroyed 😔.
I saw a fanart where Anakin had leía in hands and so did Padmé with Luke XD
So cool!@@fersho450
@@makitagut2472 while leía Saw the brutality of The Empire Luke Saw the brutality of The force (Palpatine and Vader)
No doubt@@fersho450 . However, Leia, literaly, faced Vader and saw the districtution of her home planet Alderan. Both Leia and Luke are robed of everything at some point or another, to a greater or lesser way. I see them as equals both fighting against the Impire their own ways and strengths. But subtle differences exists. Such as the one you mentioned.
Leia would turn if she was a Jedi. She wouldnt have tried to redeem Vader she wouldve tried to kill him. She had no love or longing for her father like Luke did. The Emperor wouldve succeeded in using her anger where he failed with Luke.
Welp like father like daughter I guess
Helplessly being forced to watch your home world destroyed will do that to ya.
A great point! As a leader of the Rebellion, Leia knew Darth Vader's reputation, probably from very early. Luke hardly knew who Vader was until he learned He was his father. Luke wasn't clouded by Vader's villainy the way Leia would have been. He could see past it and find his father underneath; Leia would only ever see a monster
@@cooliojones3048 luke knew everything he did lmao , he cutt of his hand. it's just he wanted to know his real father
@@tommytommy7535 he did, but remember, before Ar-too found him, he was gonna go become a tie fighter pilot. Infact, he was supposed to have left, but I think he stayed back because some machines were broken and his aunt and uncle needed them for harvest season..? (Maybe a delay tactic bc they did not want him going, or obi wan being smart lol). Anyway, he was not really a rebel and believed in the empire before he was yanked into craziness. Thus, he had a blank slate for Vader from a rebel's perspective.
He also had obi wan's training and was patient as Padme, so could wait to sort his feelings before charging in.
(Sorry for the rant lol)
I always assumed Leia's weakness was her inability to let her attachment go and she was way too involved in the galactic scene to just stop caring unless the Force was out of balance so she willingly stopped knowing she couldn't commit despite her power.
Atleast that's how I've always interrupted Leia over the years not the "Luke I had a bad dream about my son"
Also if comes the moment leía Indeed would kill Vader and turn to the dark side
In legends Lukes Jedi order allowed jedi to love, marry and have children.
I know Ep 9 has many flaws, but credit where credit is due. I think Leia was handled very well. Critically, you can probably pick them apart, but that's not the point. There's a lot of love pouring out of those scenes and im glad she got to be a big, relevant part of it. It was a painstakingly crafted tribute to someone they personally knew and loved that regardless of the quality of the movie, still deserves to be appreciated.
@@stevencolon1723 In fainess to JJ, he was handed back a poisoned chalice by RJ. He tried to rectify Ray's training and tried to repair some of the damage done to Luke. Unfortunately the damage was done and there wasn't a great deal he could do. There are a lot of plot holes and issues with previous canon but I didn't mind it. I just think of the sequels as an alternative universe/time line where Sidious influenced luke and made him depressed (which is canon as per comics when he tried to do it around the time of Empire) leading him to self exile. For me the correct time line (my head canon) is legends. Especially Legacy of the Force and fate of the jedi.
@@stevencolon1723 Now that you mention it, I see why I liked ep 9 more than 8. They actually showed the relevant in between parts that made the movie, and Rey in general, more believable. Though something like The Clone Wars series for in betpween ep 6 and 7 would be good, where Disney try to explain their bizarre canon. Look at what Dave Filoni did with the prequels! Absolute magic.
True, it will probably never be as good as legends, but something is better than nothing, right?
More proof to Leia being more like Anakin and Luke being more like Padme lol
Is that a bad thing?
@@Ceannadach Absolutely not! I love that parallel!
I've always said that!
And then that temperament personality goes down to Ben lmao.
@@dy7296 we don’t talk about those 😬
"Jedi fly now?"
"Jedi fly now!"
"Jedi fly now!"
Be gone with you, you heretic!
More like Jedi can force pull themselves towards an object now instead of only being able to pull them object to them. In the case of Leia, she had high force sensitivity and was the daughter of Anakin Skywalker so she could pull herself towards a whole ship with ease. The logic for that scene isn’t rocket science. You just didn’t like it personally and think you need to justify not liking it by saying it’s “illogical.”
Ah, Jedi fly now!
Jedi fly now?
Jedi fly now!!
@@fdsajfldaskjf right… because using the force to survive the effing vacuum of space is totally believable too.
@@fdsajfldaskjf Mary poppins in space scene was jumping the shark. Cmon. The vacuum would’ve boiled every capillary in her body for the amount of time she was EV. Stupid fucking scene imo.
Didn't George Lucas say she would've been a more powerful Jedi than Luke? Or was it from a novel? I just never saw Leia as a Jedi.
She becomes a Jedi in a legends book I have. She is in training tho so not a fully trained jedi
Read the description of the video. He mentions that and many other things and I'm sure his actual video does too.
@@SailorBoy-qo4nt Wait she does? I though she refused to be a Jedi. Why didn’t she get involved when Jacen turned evil? I haven’t read every single comic but I thought It would’ve been referenced.
In legends she is trained by luke and becomes a jedi after leaving politics. In legends she was a great jedi, not over powered or a dark jedi.
I recommend the un-abridge (Don't get abridged!) audible book sets read by Marc Thompson- 'Legacy of the Force' - story of Jacen Solo becoming Darth Caedus And 'Fate of the Jedi' - story of the ancient Abaloth and the Lost tribe of the Sith.
@@TheAlphatitan She was a jedi then and did get involved. It is the legends book set 'Legacy of the Force' and it is very very good.
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I would love to see leia become a Jedi but only if starkiller gets to duel her 🤣
The endor DLC level code the force unleashed 2 was amazing I think!
I get it
@@BrennySpain Eh, the force Unleashed dlc was all pretty dumb. Remember when Starkiller killed Ben Kenobi and then immediately fought and killed his freakin force ghost?
@@jacobp249
AMAZING.
Kenobi sucks. lying relativist.
@@jacobp249 yeah that was a bit weird I’ll admit lol
Interesting that she said that! I do remember seeing that anger when Leia was captured by Vader. Carrie Fisher was indeed a nice actress who stayed true to the character she played in Star Wars. As for that anger would make Leia a terrible Jedi, unless she found a way to forgive and let it go, that’s possible I think.
I dunno I think Leia turning to the dark side would make a badass fan fiction.
Happened in Star Wars: Infinities graphic novel.
I agree, but I don't think she would actually be an antagonist. I think it's still possible to use the dark side for a good cause, even if it's a dangerous path to follow.
True
@@karimkhakimov7903 not possible, we saw what happened to Anakin
Already exists ;)
In my own personal theory: Leia would’ve been the next Mace Windu. Yes she could have that anger towards evil. But I think we’re mistaking her anger for having no tolerance towards evil doers. Redemption isn’t something won through death but the willingness to fight through it to build a better future. Leia becoming a Jedi I believe would’ve enhanced her abilities but also her compassion. Not just as a princess, nor Jedi, but as a sister, wife and soon to be mother. She would definitely go down the darker path if she was pushed into a corner and truly believe she was going to lose EVERYTHING. Almost like her grandfather but with the resolve of Padme. Just a opinion/personal theory… may the force be with us all.
Someone who knows what's up. I cant handle the amount of "Hurr durr Lady Leia can't handle her emotions." It's pretty insulting and embarrassing this was brought up at all
I'm guessing you mean father? Or am I missing out some hot new Disney canon on who Anakin's father is lol. 😁
P.S: I completely agree with your theory.
Wrong, Luke's Jedi were already like Windu before Disney. What's funny is my Official Guide to the Force is no longer canon. Luke let them marry, have kids, fall in love. They were the peak of what Jedi should be.
@@erikpepper9041 even tho the EU of Star Wars is legends it’s still a solid foundation to show what Leia was capable of. Luke strayed away but Leia held on. Even in canon leia held on to the light and kept fighting even when Luke disappeared. Leia doesn’t get enough credit for the trials she personally went through. Her biggest weakness was herself. At the end of it all, Leia was also a general despite being a royal. Once Leia became a mother I fully believe her resolve became much stronger. Even when Ben fell, she still kept fighting. She’s able to accept the things that’s happened and pass on her own ambitions to create unity amongst a galaxy in turmoil. From
The age of the Empire to the First Order in canon, even in Legends, Leia has remained consistent, perceptive and patient to act upon many situations. Just because she had the potential to be stronger than Luke she knew her role and left the role of Jedi master to Luke while she was the person that was able to bridge the gap between citizen and supernatural warrior. :) either way it’s an opinion and I fully respect your outlook. It’s nice to see another side of things while being civil.
May the force be with you always!
Exactly. Force abilities or not, if she was gonna go dark, it would've been after the DS destroyed her planet and the only father she ever knew. She wasn't driven by anger after that event. A character doesn't need to be trained to lean on the darkside
I always found it interesting that Leia looks so much like Padme and also a politician, and Luke looks just like Anakin and he's a jedi and a pilot, BUT when you look at their personalities Luke is so much like Padme - so kind and generous and forgiving, strong with his morals and the path he chose, and Leia is so much like Anakin - stubborn, angry towards all the injustice and cruelty in the galaxy, sometimes unforgiving (I imagin she never forgave Anakin for Alderaan, whereas Luke kept seeing good in Vader, just like Padme did). And yes, Anakin and Leia are good people, and powerful force users, but I think that doesn't mean they are good Jedi (at least with the old code we know of).
I fully agree on this, except i think Luke is a great Jedi. He was the better choice personality wise over his sister.
It makes sense that Leia would be the "dark" Jedi considering they're twins and Luke seems to be the "light" side. Balance of the force and all that.
In "Legends" her training with Luke was very tough for her because she was extremely fearful of losing control and becoming "like her father". she trained and quit many times to pursue her role as a politician and did eventually become a knight. She became aware that she was subconsciously using battle meditation and force persuade instinctively. But she was ALWAYS afraid of her power in the force which dwarfs Luke. But she never FULLY gave herself to the force or jedi. But I totally disagree that she would make a bad jedi if anything I would see her being more like qui gon Jin. Her strong morals would have her do what she felt right. But that would conflict with traditional jedi dogma and law. If anything I would see her as a sentinel strong in the force but always tip toeing on the dark
Also in legends under Luke thr Jedi are taught to follow the force and do what is right over following orders. So her morals shouldn't be a problem. And didn't seem to be in the legends book sets I've read/listened to on audible.
I would not say her power dwarfed Luke. They were likely at most equal in potential.
@@a_fine_edition2746 no George Lucas has gone on record saying that Leia was more powerful than Luke. She just never fully gave herself to the force or jedi. Don't get me wrong Luke was absolutely mind boggling powerful and legendary in his own rights. But if Leia would have fully dedicated herself to being a jedi Luke would have been like a ant under her boot in term of power
Nowhere in legends and Canon is she more powerful than Luke. The only reason Rey was more powerful in TROS was because of a bunch of unrealistic feminist BS that Lucas had nothing to do with and would have never done himself. Many times in interviews Lucas has said that Luke was the most powerful Jedi, and if you logically work it out the only one who ever had more potential than Luke was Anakin, but that all ended in his battle with Obi Wan and his fall to the dark side. There is absolutely no evidence that Leias power dwarfs lukes.
@@d1grizz I agree though I have read a quote from Lucas saying Luke reached the full power that Anakin would have if he didn't get burn to a crisp. But, that's him talking about it and not actually written into canon. The thing with Luke is that he was a much better student than Anakin and as a result (in legends because Disney canon is bs) he reached a much greater skill level, regardless of potential. If that makes sense?
I don't think Liea was ever described as being as powerful as Luke in legends either, at least not the books I've read. Even if she had the same 'potential' Luke had over a decade more training and he studied HARD from multiple jedi and non jedi force users and continued to study and learn his whole life. Liea, on the other hand was trained by Luke and maybe some other masters which Luke also trained. So even with the same potential Liea could never have reached Lukes level of skill in the force even if she continued to train after becoming a jedi Knight. Which she didn't and she never reached the rank of master either.
I don't even know where this supposed 'quote' from Lucas about her being more powerful came from, I've certainly never seen an original source for it and to me it seems like some made up bs to wind up the fan base.
Now this would've been a cool sequel. Leia tries her best to be the ideal Jedi but just like her father she falls to the dark side, and we get a trilogy of Luke trying to save Leia and Leia's internal struggles. The two most powerful beings in the galaxy, the children of the Chosen One battling it out.
That is an awesome idea
Carrie was right. I remember when I was a kid and saw ESB. Yoda said that there was much anger in Luke, and I thought that was strange because he didn't seem angry to me. When I was older, I understood that Luke's "anger" was was really just impatience and frustration, and not hate. I always noticed that Leia was very quick to anger, and Luke was not. You can hear how angry she is when she speaks to Vader at the beginning of ANH. After seeing the PT and TCW, I can see that Leia is much more like Anakin, and Luke is much more like Padme in temperament. I agree that she would be a Dark Jedi.
I believe that Luke really was their only hope, as well as Anakin's only hope of redemption. It was Luke's unwavering belief in his father, and the good still in him, that lead Vader to kill the Emperor. I think had Leia been trained and gone to face Vader, she would have killed him, and then she would have been killed by Palpatine. She would have refused to join him, but she would not have been powerful enough to kill him.
In my humble opinion, given that statement the Carrie Fisher gave about Leia can be her hubris. She is too idealistic, and pretty much like Anakin in the Clone Wars. Her witnessing the suffering of the galaxy under the Empire, the politics in the Senate, and the destruction of Alderaan are the more reasons she had pent up rage and she had attachments, which is something the Jedi should avoid.
Sure, she faced Vader in a collected manner but she never faced nor encountered the Emperor, who could easily manipulate her emotions to his advantage unlike Luke. Had she trained with Luke at an early rate, she would've been a powerful Jedi like Anakin and Luke being her Obi-Wan, one who can reason with her emotional nature
Obi-wan:that girl is to much like her father
Luke: it's over Liea I have the high ground!
Obi-wan: now that's MY boy!
I always loved that Leia became a Jedi in Legends and was greatly disappointed that she was not one in the sequel films.
“Never have I been so offended by something I one hundred percent agree with!”
This might sound odd, i never liked Leia being force sensitive,
She was always better in my opinion as a blaster wielding competent leader,
Not as a force user
I think it'd just be weird and inconsistent for her not to be. She's a direct descendant of The Chosen One, genetics and shiz
She would’ve always been force sensitive since her father is anakin skywalker
She's not a very peaceful lady. "The force is for defense. Never for attack."
The Jedi use it for attack all the time. That line didn’t age well.
@@Enigma75614 Beg your pardon but I think people take that line too literally. It just means that Jedi must never take the overall aggressive stance. You cannot defend people without taking offensive action to neutralise the threat.
The novel "I, Jedi" has a great scene where one of Luke's students asks why they're going after a gang of pirates when Jedi are supposed to "Use the force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." Luke points out that they're going to rescue a kidnapped woman, they're acting in her defence and defence of the people the pirates have been terrorising. It's not like the Jedi are going out and picking a fight with people minding their own business.
@@Wright805 I know that. But there are tons of scenes in the Clone Wars and Rebels that say otherwise.
@@Enigma75614 Those are both dumb and should be taken with a grain of salt. The novels/comics are much better-written.
@@Wright805 You’re in the minority here.
Jaina Solo, the daughter of Leia and Han, became a powerful Jedi which led to her becoming the Sword of the Jedi and eventually gave and defeat Sith Lord Darth Caedus (her twin brother Jacen). I believe her power is a reflection of Leia's. However, Jaina wasn't brought up during the time of the rebellion, so her experiences were not as traumatic as that of Leia's. So she was raised more balanced and better suited for Jedi. Leia, as you mentioned, had experienced more trauma and thus had anger issues, which would drive her more to the dark side. It's a good thing Luke trained Leia at a later age where she was more centered.
Leia is political
You just don’t want a politician with superpowers
Obviously a bad idea
@NEO Papa Palps: *Goood*
So was the Jedi Council.
@@unitedstatesofamerica9948 now that’s a complicated one
We saw how well that worked out last time
"Why Leia Would Make a TERRIBLE Jedi"
The Force is Female Activists: It's treason, then.
The force is female is a Nike ad campaign, not starwars
@@bencasteel7105 tell that to Kathleen Kennedy
@@DefecTec Tell that to Kanjiklub
@@DefecTec That's legit what happened bro
@@DefecTec She knows, that's why KK participated in the Nike ad campaign
You forgot to mention that Vader even tempted Luke with turning his “siiissster!”! Big fan
Doesnt that just highlight Luke's weakness? How is Vader goading Luke perfectly have any bearing on who Leia is. If I scammed your family into paying lawyer fees because I said you were in prison, does that make you a criminal? No it doesnt.
This is such a good point. When I was reading through Bloodline by Claudia Gray, I really got the sense that her use of anger was much different and much more dangerous than Luke’s.
She definitely would’ve been a Dark Jedi.
They ever say why she was stronger then Luke potential wise? They are both twins i imagine they'd be near equals
Yh im confused potential wise to because Lucas stated that Luke and anakin were equal in potential so I’m confused on why leia would be stronger than Luke 😂
There are times when we have to ignore the writers and just make our own conclusion with facts...
For Example: Dragon Ball has guides for the tranformations, such as Super Saiyan being a times 50 multiplier, Super Saiyan 2 being 100 multiplier and Super Saiyan 3 being 400 multiplier...yet in the actual story, when they go super saiyan, they barely perform better
Different writers different comics say different things
@@StarWarsTheory From a certain point of view...
I read a theory that Leia was stronger than Luke in the mental aspect of the force as she was stronger at shielding and mind tricks where as Luke just had the more strong raw potential. That the reason Anakin and Padme didn't know that there were twins was cause Leia was naturally shielding herself in the womb.
Leia was like Anakin that way, emotional, impatient, angry, and Luke is like Padme, level headed, calm yet determined
Luke wasn’t level headed in Episode V…
@@timonsolus I'm talking about after he finished his training
She stood up to Vader, under torture, as a teenager. She would have just wiped out the Sith and become the balance in the force herself as the chosen one. The Jedi were masters of procrastination, she would have kicked them as well if they were still around.
So true!
I always figured Leia as a Jedi would be similar to a mix of Anakin (sometimes letting negative emotions take over--she is a Skywalker after all) with Qui-Gonn (his politically defiant and critical nature of power structures). I'd love to see a show that delves into Leia's training as a Jedi that we currently have in canon, and seeing some sibling adventures with the powerful twins of the force, Luke and Leia. I mean, how awesome would it be to see Jedi Master Luke and with Jedi Padawan Leia soon after the events of Return of the Jedi? C'mon Disney/Lucasfilm, lets make this happen!
So with Leia, I feel she would have two conflicting roles. She was already established as like the lead political leader which her duty was to the people. If she became a Jedi, her duty would have to be to the Force. As we learn from the Clone Wars the will of people and the will of the Force don't always agree and would have to pick one over the other.
At the end she would of had to pick to be a Jedi or a politician. With Luke already taking the lead in restoring the order, Leia was best suited to be the politician to restore the Republic. I think she would have learned to control her anger under Luke's guidance, but the New Republic needed her more.
And that's why I prefer the EU. Leia in the EU although she was being trained, she didn't truly accept the title of Jedi until after she was done with the political side of her career. It was only during her later years was when she was truly ready to be a Jedi. Even losing her son Anakin Solo didn't stop her nor did it break up her and Han, unlike...you know.
EXACTLY
Yes... We know.
Here they come, people....
This EU sounds predictable and clichéd. Think we dodged a bullet there.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot Found one of them.
Had Leia grown up on Tatooine she may have been quite different. Had Luke grown up on Alderaan he probably would have still been a phenomenal squadron pilot. If Obi-Wan and Yoda trained her who knows what we'd have got. Really it's nature vs. nurture plus environment that come into play. One has to consider the Buddhist concept of time, capacity, and place as mutually intrinsic. In the screen test she dusted all the Valley Girls, she had a nobility which made her perfect in that casting. If she had to be the Jedi in the story we may have gotten an entirely different actress.
I definitely think Leia would have been a Rogue Jedi, especially after the destruction of Alderaan. I don't know if she could have let that go.
Leah is definitely Anakins daughter. Luke definitely got Padme‘s personality.
agree
I feel like she could've been a Jedi, a very powerful one as you stated, but only temporarily. I think she wouldn't choose to be a Jedi for the rest of her life. I've always saw that her real strength and discipline lies in channeling her anger and determination towards leadership and politics. That's her zone and that's where she excels.
Old EU novels, Han tried to take her on vacation, and she ended up haggling on trade goods and brokering deals between merchants for cargo shipments. She made a lot of good money on the side, but the point of a vacation is just to relax and not deal with .. any .. business. Leia even caught the attention of two rival ISD captains that were force to .. haggle .. with the local smuggler cartels. The world nor the two captains wanted to joint the New Republic but she did help them set up better trade arguments and set up mining operations and a better running ship construction yard.
It later paid off during the Vong War, along with a few other novels leading up to said events. In some of the books Imperials and smugglers teased her about becoming the next Palpatine if she is not careful.
it’s always a good day when Star Wars Theory uploads
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Well that sounds to me like she comes very much after her father, what adds up quite well with luke being more the mindset of padme. Btw the thing yoda told obi wan about an other, if u combine it with the outline lucas had for the sequels, that referes as well to anakin instead to luke n the last hope for the galaxy. It of course could answer on that but, she was to b revealed as the chosen one at the end so it could very well mean she has borderline m level like daddy before. Crazier even is to concider how insanely bad ass luke became even with a lower capacity for connecting with the force. But probably flaws in her character would have unabled her to reach the full potential. She would have to explore the dark side, n the impulsive driven anny head makes it very likely for her to fall. If she would go there, she would only refuse to b concidered a sith, because of her hate for them. She would even more b in danger of falling, by the illusion of safety this might create to herself.
No I think she very well could turn. The character seeks revenge for alderan and hates very deeply cause of it. Not to mention her fear of the empire winning. Plus, movie wise, Luke is shown going toe to toe and defies the emperor and clearly resists the dark side. Leia would cave in, showing her as the darker descendant of Anakin and Luke the lighter. Today this would never hold up though obviously cause Hollywood can never show a women as the evil one lol.
What are you talking about? There are plenty of female villains in Hollywood lol
Leia likely would have understood the flaws of the Jedi much quicker than Luke did. That's probably why she never seems interested in joining the Jedi to begin with.
Her heart is in what is best for the galaxy. The Jedi, as a group, seem to prioritize their own dogma.
So, yes, I agree that she wouldn't make a good Jedi. I just think we might disagree on why that is.
Leia actually became a Jedi in Legends with completed training. She is trained in all combat forms.
Star Wars theory should read the legends material… most accurate depiction of the characters for what would of happened after return of the Jedi. She became a powerful Jedi but not quiet to the level of Luke… bcuz Luke’s order is more like a grey Jedi order mastering their emotions instead of fearing them like the past Jedi orders… harnessing the dark side abilities and light side abilities and not seeing attachment as bad but somthing to control. Leia with her emotions was just fine as long as u put as a notice for doing right. Perhaps she would of been a perfect candidate for juyo/vapaad.
Very interesting insight but I get the feeling George already made her a Jedi is his unused script for his version of episodes 7 to 9. In my mind, I already have her down as an established Jedi by EU lore standards. Maybe this would make great material for her character development as she trains to be a Jedi.
On the flip side, I thinks this would make an interest ‘what if, story arch to explore. Might even be badass! Too bad Carrie Fisher isn’t around to share her two cents. God rest her soul.
After thought: Could you make a story or film about this Theory? Might pay to see this version of Leia and others interacting with her.
That intro never gets old
Like those younglings
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
That's dark but funny.
I don't see how her anger would have ended any different than her fathers. Once she went dark she would have fallen and become a Sith like her father. Maces darkness came more from his intense seriousness rather than anger.
Anakin was all over the place with his anger and very selfish. We saw Leia over many years after Alderaan and she was always rational.
@@jaxr2958 you mean the one moment he wanted something for himself?
@@tommytommy7535 It was all about what he wanted. Demanding to be a Jedi Master when he was still a kid. Stalking Padme , then having tantrums when she didn't do what he wanted. Expecting the Jedi council explain all their business to him. The reason he fell was because Palps fed his ego.
@@jaxr2958 exactly because he has an ego, he fell. u re completely right!!!
That depends on your definition of what it means to be a good Jedi. Also considering the thousands of historicly good or bad Jedi.
She watched what was later determined to be her father blow up the entire planet she grew up on. I wonder where her anger came from. Oops I left it out, then he tortured her for information against her step parents and all her remaining friends. Gotta love daddy.
Leia was a lot like Anakin...which is quite ironic, considering that she never accepted Anakin as her real father.
I feel that she would do the mistakes (maybe not all, just some) that her father did: allowing her judgement to be clouded by her feelings and her bitterness.
So yeah she wouldn't be a Jedi as level-headed as Luke or Obi Wan.
And she is hot like Anakin on Mustafar.
Leia's emotions powering her reminds me of the theory of Rey being a female clone of Starkiller since kaminoans would've noticed that female humans were more emotional than male ones and force users driven by emotions noticably were more powerful than average passive Jedi.
what if yoda knew about order 66 then ti would have played out like this :
Palpatine: execute order 66
yoda: execute order 67
Palpatine: f#=k
It also kind of makes sense for her to be the "dark twin" just like the twins that Anakin faced in Clone Wars. But like you said, not Sith, but definitely a Dark Jedi. Also she totally would have been the Martial Jedi (Blue) to Luke's Force Jedi (Green), so making her more like Anakin and Luke like Padme'. Is also why I believe the prophecy was about Luke (sure Anakin was the one that would bring balance, but it wasn't ONLY Anakin), as I feel like Luke would have kept her balanced, just like he was able to pull Anakin back from the darkness, he could have kept her from falling completely to the darkness.
I am rewatching clonewars and i found something, in S7 E7 the people who trace saves at the prison are the same people that are in cids bar in bad batch
Well, I would be bitter too if I watched my home planet explode before my eyes. I can see her being a lot like Anakin during the Clone Wars.
This was just when I searched up from legends
Leia’s saber should have been purple. Leia as a Jedi in legends seems to be more level headed. But yeah. This makes sense. Imagine Luke and Leia dueling in ROTJ instead of Luke and Vader.
Nah. Yellow
I love how you pad the truth with compliments about Leia every few minutes.. Wish you didn't have to calculate that, but respect for keeping it all truthful!
Yup lol
I just don't see Leia like that at all. I think she had the same amount of anger as Luke. You could see it come out when she interacted with Han before they hooked up. It was no more or less than Luke's. Seriously. The one thing that would make her a better Jedi is that she was already educated in tactics and leadership and diplomacy (although negotiating with your enemies, who have the advantage, by commenting on their stench is probably not sound diplomatic advice). But yeah she did see her home planet destroyed in front of her and have the weight of the rebellion on her shoulders. But the way she was able to compartmentalize the destruction of Alderaan, at least until the mission had been accomplished, shows me a lot of potential.
Well she did lose against Starkiller after the clone lost to Vader.
Sadly not canon
@@t3mvideos505 ym safely not canon. It's too much and big for a prequel to the four five six trilogy. It works as a alternate universe sw story. Force Awakens and Last Jedi are perfect sequels. And jstice
@@SB992REBORN Force awakens and last Jedi are perfect sequels?………HAHAHAHAHAHA you must be joking
@@SB992REBORN agreed
@@SB992REBORN I'm with SHARKA Studios, TLJ and TFA being perfect Sequels? That's laughable and just untrue, Mate. Those films threw the significance of the OT/PT into the dumpster in order to retread the same ground with none of the good writing while contradicting themselves and the rest of the series.
I’m confused. Didn’t they show her training with Luke in TROS? I’d think she would also have to have trained for the awkward space scene.
We don’t talk about TRoS
@@harrambou9468 fair enough. Lol. The whole sequel trilogy was underwhelming
So you're telling me that if Leia had been trained to be a Jedi that she would've been a Rouge Jedi or something? I sometimes thought that she would've been a badass Jedi, if she ever did got into training sooner.
She did train tho, in the rise of skywalker which everyone forgot about lmao
@@IISimpleII no offense, but not too many people cares about the sequel trilogy, as most true fans of the Star Wars universe don't really consider this trilogy Canon. (Like at all)
@@geviesanta3631 but it is cannon? It’s kinda irresponsible to skip over it That would be head cannon.
@@IISimpleII well here's the hard thing, I don't care about this trilogy. I used to think that there's some potential that could be shown in the movies. But eversince the Rise of Skywalker came out and I watch it for the first (and only) time, I just didn't care anymore. It just doesn't really seem that relevant to me with the story nor that it live up the hype that I once had for this pile of nonsense. 😒😒😒
@@geviesanta3631 Ah, what makes a “true” fan of Star Wars?
Oh, man. THIS is going to get Demonetized SO fast...
Cool it buddy, everything will be okay.
Oof
How?
Does Leia have anger issues?
She saw Alderaan explode. That was her home. Who wouldn’t?
Edit because autocorrect is stupid sometimes.
2 uploads in a day Victory Very interesting about Leia I think she would have made a cool dark Jedi
Luke is like Padme and Leia is like Anakin.
Anakin, lost his family/ whole world and turn to full devotion into building a military and seeking out battle field victories to burry his original pain.
Yeah, Leia follow suit.
Well I mean how would you feel if you just watched your planet be annihilated? Everything you know and loved suddenly and violently destroyed. I'd be angry too, not for the same reasons of course, as Leia had many great intentions.
Disney is stupid they'd make more money if legends became official. They could create so many great stories and movies from legends. Better than High Republic.
Yes. Someone agrees with me. Disney just uses the Clone Wars for clout
They already are in the post sequels era, you can't see it?
@@dietdrpepper498 Clout? No...nIts for $$$ like any corporation ever created lol
Just look at the first three movies, way too attached, emotional, hot-headed. She would make a great leader but a terrible Jedi.
I think the one who should train her in the ways of the force is Mace Windu. He could teach her vaapad and help her use her anger. I know technically he uses the dark side of his opponent but maybe they could alter it enough for her? Just a thought.
I respect Carrie's opinion but I think she was entirely wrong. If anyone would make for a "good" Jedi, it would be Leia. She sacrificed everything. And by everything, SHE, was responsible for risking the death of everyone she respresented as Princess on Alderan for the greater good. Leia, was a true Jedi. The fact that she was spunky is a different conversation. Yoda training along with research, like Luke did, would likely have removed most of that. In my opinion, Luke was far less likely to be a good Jedi than Leia. What exactly did Luke sacrifice? Not being able to apply to the Imperial Academy, so he could hone his T-16 womp rat bulls-eying skills? Just my opinion.
Agreed.
George Lucas confirmed that Anakin and Luke shared the same potential. He also revealed that as twins, Luke and Leia would be equals in Force ability. This means that father, son and daughter all shared the potential to harness the Force as well as each other. I'd disagree that Leia would be more powerful than Luke. I do believe however that she would have had more faith in her abilities than Luke did because she was more confident and self-assured. That means that had they trained at the same time and at the same pace, Leia probably would've progressed a lot faster than Luke did. This could give the impression that she would've been more powerful but Luke just needed longer to believe in himself and his abilities.
While she might not be a *true* Jedi, I think she might be a suitable candidate for an extremely powerful GRAY Jedi that tends to lean more to the dark when she lets her emotions get the better of her
Then that in itself isn't trully a grey Jedi, grey Jedi do not "let their emotions get the better of them
@@noahsibahi-jackson8757 alright, not a TRUE grey Jedi, but a morally gray Jedi then...
Seeing as The Empire had destroyed her home planet, she would be justified being so angry.
But a Jedi?
Well if she was trained as a Jedi from birth or infancy like in the prequel era, she could have been a formidable one.
If she was trained as a Jedi like Luke was, in her late teens, as theory said, she would be a dark Jedi.
However, just being more powerful doesn't make you a stronger Jedi (ROTS). So, I believe she would never have been able to surpass Luke Skywalker.
*Leia in legends nervous sweating*
In legends. Luke talks about Leia as a Jedi. Saying as a Jedi Diplomat, she would be incredible. But Leia did lack patience, even in the Heir to the Empire novel. She keeps getting distracted, she has to help the New Republic, she is also at the early stages of pregnancy. She does eventually become a Jedi Knight much later on. But she is not as committed as Luke was. I think that’s the difference. Once the war ended after Ep VI, Luke became private citizen Skywalker. So he could devote his time to the Jedi. I just don’t know if Leia ever could have that patience, her eagerness would sort of outweigh her willingness to become a Jedi.
I think she would have definitely become a morally grey Jedi character, that uses some Dark Side abilities though, who would never pledge her loyalty to the Sith/Empire. Also, Mace Windu is of course, not the only morally grey Jedi character ever written for Star Wars (which is especially true with regard to the Expanded Universe/Legends lore/history). There are ways that Baris Offee in "The Clone Wars" series can be considered a Grey Force-user (and perhaps not a full Dark Jedi despite her dark choices/actions), even though she did fight using Ventress's Sith Lightsabers during her duel in the Jedi Temple with Anakin. There also ways that Ashoka and even Obi-wan could be considered Grey-Force Users/Grey Jedi as they did not always adhere to rules of the Jedi Order itself, but this does not necessarily make them completely evil. The fine line from my prospective is, when a Jedi willing kills innocent either to achieve some form of personal influence/power over others or even just to try to create a certain outcome in a situation (the example being, how Baris choose to attack the Jedi Temple, in order to convince the Jedi and the Republic to end the Clone War.). That is why to me, it is likely more accurate to say Baris at that point had become a Dark Jedi, but unlike General Krell, she wasn't trying to impress the Sith in order to join them or anything like that, yet she still was willing to kill innocents to achieve her own goals. Other examples of Grey-Force Users or Grey Jedi from Legends and possibly canon, include Jolee Bindo, Revan, Bastila & Satele Shan, Qui-gon Jinn, Galen Marek/Starkiller, Kyle Katarn as well as Grandmaster Luke Skywalker (though the New Jedi Order he created in Legends held different views on Jedi morality and use of the Force, as opposed to those of the original Jedi Order).
Great video but you mention "Directing Howard" @2:45 . I think you mean directing Richard Marquand.
I feel she would have had control over her anger. You don't become an actually good Diplomat by screaming at people because you're in a bad mood. And that was Princess Leia strength, she was inspiring and could talk out of situations. Yes she was angry, but she was used to controlling that. In the words of a very wise Jedi: it is about controlling your passions, not rejecting them.
Jedi need to be more human. Not less. Otherwise we get apathetic preachers, rather than understanding keepers of the peace.
Agreed 💯👍
...after witnessing the destruction of Alderaan...they might not have needed X-Wings to destroy the Death Star...
I think her emotions would have gotten the upper hand in the end and probably would have prevented her from reaching her full potential. In the Tatooine Ghost novel when she and Han visit Tatooine she sees an auctioned hologram of Anakin winning the podrace being sold and she immediately gets angry that they would sell something showcasing Anakin in a positive light. It wasn’t until she met with his friends that she was able to empathize with Anakin’s turn and see things from a different perspective. It was easier for her to judge and hate him than forgive him. I think that was one of the biggest differences between her and Luke. He could let go of his anger and recognize the finer details in a situation. She would have made an amazing Jedi but I think she made the right choice deciding not to train. I can imagine Luke and her would have butted heads a lot lol.
Leia strikes as being very pragmatic, so she would have a lot of impatience for the Jedi restrained way at doing things. If she saw the Jedi way as being able to accomplish what she felt needed to be done, then I think she would exhibit the required amount of control, but if she came to believe that it was not enough, then she might turn to the dark side for very specific purposes. The ends may start to justify the means for her.
I know I never seen her as a Jedi but I am more used to her with a blaster
I would love to see an alternate story where Leia became a jedi with her brother, would be interesting if she did become more like Mace Windu to Luke's Qui gon/Obi Wan
You know who else would make terrible Jedi?
You clones
Before their Jedi training, Leia was more in the present than Luke. She never craved adventure or wanted to get out of her current situation. Luke meanwhile was a dreamer and led by his emotions. Definitely good points about her anger. She's a Skywalker after all. But I think terrible is way to strong based on everything we know. She would've had flaws but would've been a great Jedi IMO
great take on it dude. her traits are exactly why they wouldn't train certain force users. spot on!
Interesting! I've always suspected Leia wouldn't be as 'good' a Jedi as Luke, but hadn't considered how her anger would contribute to a darker path for her.
So basically she could have become another Anakin, as he was doing all of those evil acts out of love for his wife trying to protect her and when that was gone he was lost... hopefully Leia never gets that same loss
Rest In Power Carrie. We love you. Thank you for this.
When you watch you world be blown away I think anger is going to be the key to everything you do from that point forward.
2:08 Chewy finally getting some. 😈😬
I think if Leia trained and teamed up with Luke they would be the new Anakin (Leia) and Obi wan(Luke) from clone wars. But even more unstoppable.
Leia would have been a terrible Jedi, but a scary ass Sith Lord.
I love Leia as a Jedi, she should be as equally powerful or even more powerful because of dedication and her character in general than Luke. But I don't like if they put Identity Politics for the reason for Leia being more powerful than Luke, as in without flaws or weakness, that's classic smh if disney do that. like Rey towering Luke, and trained sith lord... without training
Idk, to me I think Star Wars Theory didn’t have the right title for this topic, because he pretty much talked about how AWESOME she would be if she were to be a Jedi.
Wait, Theory. I got... Well, a crazy theory here... If Padme was the queen of Naboo, and Leia is the daughter of Padme, wouldn't she now become the heir for Naboo? Especially when Palpatine dies. Doesn't Leia now have that sort of power to claim there? This could be an interesting video to talk about
Yeah I always wondered about that and luke as well since they are siblings so yeah makes sense
Going in to this with the mindset that I think she’d be an awesome jedi, but always respect theory’s opinion
Star Wars Theory: Leia will make such a terrible Jedi.
Anakin: It's because of me, isn't it?
Padmé, Obi-Wan, and Ahsoka: *Hums*
Luke was a farmer, Leia was a politician. She would have been a better Jedi
And Luke a better Sith
I really liked Jedi Leia in The Force Unleashed. She had a gorgeous heroic appearance and put up a pretty good fight against Starkiller. I would love to see more Jedi Leia in the future.