I bought a 5x8 cargo trailer 6 feet high ,1100 pounds for 3,200 bux,slapped a Bluetti 200Max solar generator inside of it. I’m the happiest camper in the world
Many are running those mini split systems with the compressor mounted on the tongue, seems like a good system but you will need to plug in or use a generator.
Best video I’ve seen about why someone should build a cargo trailer. You covered it all. I should mention that a shiny new one has kind of an slight Airstream look to it. Just throw on some letters and you might have someone fooled. just sayin 😂
I ordered a 16' enclosed trailer from south Georgia five years ago as I have specific needs. I learned there are common build issues. For example, after removing plywood (one piece at a time to prevent racking), it was obvious that tack welding was common. Therefore, the strength of joints may be compromised as the trailer bounces at highway speeds. Most wall framing was not primed or painted but mill coat only. This isn't visible unless the plywood is removed. Framing which was painted was usually limited to a thin layer of paint. So, rust issues will become a problem. It seems that tube framing is the flavor of the month. The long term issue is rust inside the tubes. Move to the exterior skin and dissimilar metals contacting one another... aluminum skin touching metal framing with no paint, only mill coating. The result can be oxidation. Wall skin is an over lap joint with no sealant. This results in leaks. Wiring was routed through rough holes in the metal framing. It exposed the wire to future damage as the sharp/jagged edges cut into the insulation. These issues are not uncommon with trailers I've looked at. Wonder if it's an industry norm as it appears many manufacturers compete based on price and quality may not be a priority. The conclusion is most elements of construction can be addressed. However, buyers should be aware regarding the potential for construction issues.
Very good comment, really appreciate you sharing that information, some excellent things to look for in a trailer.… I looked At a few brands and the doors wouldn’t even line up they were so poorly welded. The local trailer company here has a few trailers in their show room stripped down so you can look at the workmanship they charge a bit more but are well made and they are proud of it. Maybe that’s one reason to go full aluminum no dissimilar metals helps the corrosion. What you mentioned above is one of the reasons I like used…. If Your going to strip it down and rebuild it anyways might as well buy it cheap.
Very key points !!! Thank you Samuel. We are considering a small trailer......but not one of these rough and tough overlanding rigs (that are ridiculously out of our budget). But a road-tripper kind of 5X10 maybe 4-5 foot tall. Have you found any of the cargo manufacturers that are better than others? What is your opinion on aluminum frames vs. steel?
@@kimlittleton4943 Firstly builders. I cannot suggest one. Inspection with the interior wall covering removed might be helpful. What was primed, painted and are dissimilar metals in contact with one another. Aluminum would be less weight of course. But is it all aluminum? This means is the hitch aluminum as if there's steel in contact with aluminum that could be an issue. For example how are the springs fastened to the frame? It might be that purchasing a used trailer with the intent to disassemble most of it, then performing the basic tasks to bring it up to proper construction could have benefits. Time spent would not be one. Best of Luck... Sam
I almost bought a coleman 17b. It's me, my wife and our 2 beagels. 15,500 plus this and that and what have you, 20,000. Then financing on top, 25k. I didn't need the bunks. The shower, air conditioning and such is no good to me because we camp at a site that has no electricity. So I bought a new $6,000 6x12 cargo trailer and put about 1000 into it. Flooring, insulation, deep wet bar sink with a marine foot pump, built two walls to use as bathroom maybe future shower. Painted it inside and put in a steel frame bed with a memory foam mattress. I wish they had a 7x14 on site when I got the 6x12 but I didn't want to wait 4 months or pay the extra money. So far, I've had it over 2 months and got to go camping twice. Way better then setting up tents or popup camper that I had.
I’m with you I don’t camp where I have all the services. You get to build it the way you want for your needs. I like the 6’ wide it’s better for those narrow two tracks while boondocking. I think your smart camping in it a few times as you build, you will have a good idea what you want to add or change. Personally I think you made the right call. 👌👍
Great points. A few things I wish I considered. 1. Insulate conduction and convection. I Insulated but cargo trailers absorb alot. You'll never regret too much insulation. 2. Consider you points for drains and pipes. Cargo trailers are lower to the ground. Any little grade can mess up your grey or black tank draining. 3. Aerodynamic and weight consider this, bc the more it cost you to drive it the less you'll do it. 4. I wish my windows were bigger, I think everyone I talk to wishes they were a little bigger. Have an alternate exit.
Through my extensive viewing of cargo trailer conversion videos, the sweet spot of dimensions is 7 feet wide minimum (for lateral beds), 7 - 7'6" feet tall for shower and floor/ceiling insulation & split unit a/c, 12 feet long still fits in a parking spot. Configure for either the front half kitchen/half shower, or front bunk beds.
very nice... Im building an 8 x 16 v-nose cargo trailer into an RV and Mobile Sign Shop. I have designed the entire conversion on the computer at full scale. I'm just starting on the walls and cabinets. I used to travel in a 15-passenger cargo bus, but I purchased a large format color printer for decals/stickers, t-shirts, koozies, banners, magnetics, etc. I would have lost a lot of storage in the shuttle bus, so I had to get something a little bigger. I have the shuttle bus conversion and my cargo trailer series on my YT channel.
Inspired by your videos I've started my 6x12 in April and it is now 60-70% ready. Borrowed a lot of your ideas. My bill-of-material has reached $8.5k (CAD) of what is inside plus 12k the trailer itself (new, aluminium). Plus my work (I'd say, couple hundred hours). Also, to mention is that in some cases you can exchange time for money even in a CTC build. I've chosen to pay for e-breaks, roof rack, wall insulation and windows because with new trailer it saved me weeks of work. Doing it myself wold not be much cheaper. I could focus on other stuff and camp 3-4 times in a half-built trailer. Actually, my CTC build was gradual, starting with camping in an empty box when I received it (April-May). Then camping with fridge, light, beds, bunks and some storage. Next level (3 days) was already with galley, water pump, solar and 40 gallon fresh water tank. In a week I will be camping and testing awning and diesel heater that I've installed today. So, next camping season will start with additional storage, cabinets and shower. Kind of "agile development" starting with an MVP - an empty box, but usable on any weekend of the summer, so you can build and camp. Maybe one day could be a guest on your channel to share my experience ;) (I am from Montreal)
Right on glad they helped a bit… I know it can seem a bit expensive but I think that’s still a pretty good deal for a trailer that is custom built the way you want for the camping you want to do. Sounds like you put a lot of thought and planning into it, I think that is so important! I bet taking it out and camping while building would help a bit… you could see what would work for you or what part of the plan should be tweaked. Would love to interview you and get your experience, point of view in building one…. On my website is a contact page that goes straight to me. Shoot me an email, maybe we can set something up for the spring? Thanks for sharing the info
Not much ppl in Montreal does that but I did, just little remain for touch up, like brake something and make it better.wife empty water for shower,got bigger water tank, ect. To me is cargo trailer a plus… I’ve seen accidents with cargo trailer so little damage.
Right on! Plan, Plan, Plan 😁👍 The guide should really help. I tried to include everything I had to learn during the process. I sure wish when I started I had something like it, would have saved me a ton of time. You can use the contact page on the website or through instagram let me know if you have any questions. 👍
Take your time, Watch all the builds you can. Make sketches of what you like as you go. Then work it all into YOUR plan... Best part is building it for YOU
I would like to build with a cargo trailer vs. a manufactured trailer for a couple of reasons. You mentioned the ability to get off road. I’m looking to travel to remote locations which are probably located on less than desirable roads. A larger trailer would never go there. Next, I don’t intend to live in a cargo trailer for an extended period of time. Just get out and enjoy the outdoors when I can. Also, I won’t need all the luxuries of manufactured housing. Just the essential items as most living will be outside the cargo. Next safety, I like the idea of being able to come indoors at night or during stormy weather and closing and locking a door behind me. Heck, I could sleep on a cot in the beginning and minimize my load out. So I appreciate knowing about solid welded frame construction. That’s something that I will definitely be looking for. Also the addition of shocks and electric brakes. Definitely will need to have the leaf springs on top of the axle. I ordered your book, I know that having your experience and knowledge backing me up will make a world of difference. Thank you for all of this.
Love your videos! Definitely subscribing! Wish I had bought your guide back before I started my cargo camper! I’m over a year in and more than halfway done. I wanted a simple “upgraded tent on wheels” and my lovely wife wanted an instagram ready dream camper, we’ve tried to find balance but changing plans as you go adds money and adds time ☹️ only thing I wanted to add to your video is in our case it was WELL worth it to drive to the cargo trailer manufacturer and save literally thousands of dollars. The same trailer direct from the builder cost $3,000 less than buying it in my area, had to drive 16 hours but it saved a TON of money, and I was able to customize the size and door placement for my design vs buying used. Great video!!
It’s funny how these things just grow and your never really ever done! 😂 Great tip on the trailer… I didn’t know that but will file that away if I get the energy for another build. Sounds like it was well worth a little road trip! 👍
I purchased a Pace 6x10 in 98 after long thought on double door placement in the rear. After converting it, I couldn’t think of a better design and it seems like they all have front side doors now. Having a bunk and sliding couch / bed in the front really maximizes the space available and keeps the weight forward, even though it pulls like it’s not there due to low ceiling height.
So glad to hear that. I created a guide as well on converting a cargo trailer that is available on my website. Here. waysoutback.com/product/how-to-guide/ Walks you through the process avoiding all the mistakes I made!
My $2000 used 4x6 V-nose/ramp door cargo trailer is now my toy-hauler/camper/theater. Solar pwr'd off grid, w/AC is pretty comfy. DIY means you build what you want... 28mpg is nice too !!! Did I mention 4x5 roof rack, 6x8 awning, 6ft digital TV antenna mast, AM/FM antenna, 48"x 68" Diamond Plate deck over the extended tongue, and future plans for a 'Ramp-room' that pins to the ramp and rides on the fore-deck?
@@waysoutback The 'V-Nose' is a bonus, and allows the length I need for my scooter. My 75x38x6 TriFold SofaBed almost fills the thing! 5ft clg leaves 32" under the 28" TV cabinet up in the "V"... 5K BTU AC will leave your teeth chattering if you turn it down... lol
@@nauidiver227 I don’t think so. In my opinion if you were building a van something you’re inside while driving then I’d use sound deadener. But for these “RVs” I think the most sound comes through the windows. Single pane and all that. You could maybe use some on the roof if you don’t like the rain sound but I really do.
@@waysoutback yeah think the plan for me is another 7x16 trailer. Have one already for work just needs higher ceilings. Already have a pretty good idea for my layout. I live in Florida so rain could be too frequent. Thanks for the advice I'll do it to the ceilings.
Take a look at Peak Mt Camps from Spring City, UT. Made for extreme conditions. Has Tiny Wood Stove for primary or secondary heat. Really enjoy your videos. 😊
I'm looking at buying 1 from a dealer in a nearby town. It's a 8.5 x 16 spartan brand trailer. Already insulated, cabinets in the nose with a sink , fresh and waste water tanks, a 6 gallon water heater. A few windows, an awning, ac with a heat strip. I have a TV that I will have mounted on the wall and a compact fridge that I will use as well in it. Since I already have some camping gear and can't tow a lot with the truck I currently have an money will be tight for a while after buying the trailer. Any other modifications will have to be made later on.
@waysoutback no just going on camping trips occasionally and using it for deer hunting camp. Tired of my tent and it works out better for me than a regular Rv/camper. Because of several reasons less maintenance, cheaper and comes within the weight range of the truck I have at the moment.
@@gianna01michelle sounds like a good fit! The strength and quality compared to a normal RV is amazing. It will hold together no matter what you put it through!
@@waysoutbackim staying at 12 foot, 14 at most. Bed along the left side. That can fold down when bikes not in there. But I want at least to lay down with built inside for times in where I don't want to unload. Small shower/ toilet in nose . Working on layout now
@@dieselguy62 that makes sense. Personally I think your on the right track keeping it as small as possible, easier to tow, better on gas, easier to back up 👍 I really like the idea of a small toy hauler. You could still fit a decent little kitchen and bathroom upfront, might need the water tank underneath though for space. Let me know how it goes…. If you can post a video link once your done I’d love to see the design. 👍
Great video, and I also purchased your guide. Now my question is, what cargo trailer manufacturer do you recommend, this to start will save me a great deal of time, and a possible mistake when purchased.
Ok here goes…. This is an extremely tough question! There are so many brands on the market across the USA. However finding a dealer who stocks what you want near where you live can be challenging. The build quality of trailer varies not only by the Manufacturer, but the actual plant in which they are made and the time of year they are made. It's a real crap shoot. Now I really like the Aluminum Trailers especially where they salt the roads. But I’m not sold on the fact you save much weight for the cost and I’m concerned with it's ability to flex when needed. Will the frame break easier than a steel trailer? I don't know, I probably wouldn’t off road them very hard. Ok specific brands. I have heard great things about the Look brand. They are a bit smaller but have really been trying to get a quality product, you will pay more for them. I would feel find owning a Cargo Mate / Continential Cargo, even though there are some real horror stories regarding some model’s. With any trailer I'd investigate the negative reviews online to see if the problems people are having are related to problems that concern you. My recommendation and many are not going to agree with this. I think boxed tube frame is important not C-channel. After that I really don’t mind Z bar walls rather then tubing because I think it’s less of a thermal bridge you have to deal with. I like screwed on side panels because they are easy to fix and repair. I’m ok with two piece roof because we are putting holes up there anyways. As you can see I’m into a cheap bare bones model that is as light as possible. Doesn’t need 12” centre supports etc because of what our end result is going to be. Our campers are not going to weigh much compared to a construction trailer or landscaping trailer that is loaded right to the max and abused, in that case you would need a super good quality heavy duty trailer. To be honest I’d recommend looking around for a cheap used trailer. An older model, that has been used lightly. I found a really nice one a few weeks ago for a friend for 2000$. A trailer is not like a car with so many parts to wear out. Just throw new brakes, bearings, jack and tires and you will have a brand new trailer. Unless it’s rusted….. really avoid anything rusted. That’s my two cents hope it helps a bit. Zac
@@waysoutback Hello Zac, and thanks for the reply, now I just sold my 13 Year old cargo trailer for $1,600.00, with angle iron frame 24" o/c side panels 1/2" plywood floor, and it was not a good long term trailer investment, leaks and squeaks. Now wait for it, my new trailer is a car mate with boxed steel frame seamless side, one piece roof and 16" o/c side wood bows with 3/8" finished ply interior with a 3/4" floor. Don't shake your head, I will insulate with blown in product that is fire proof high "R" value. Also for a new purchase I could have bought something less expensive and Canadian made, but 1/2" chip board floor's and 1/4" paneling was not a feature for me. Living in cottage country the places to camp are literally next door and do not want to take my new Honda Ridgeline of road. I also watch you videos on a regular basis for guidance on this new project.
I guess I missed the part about why to build or not to build one. I just spent 2 nights in a 26' toy hauler and was disappointed. This was supposedly a higher end manufacturer and it still seemed fragile. Made me not want to consider one. I was thinking getting/using a horse trailer as a base. Might be a little stronger built than cargo trailers.
I think it really depends on the person, skill level, time. If you have both those then hands down best way to go! My dad has a horse trailer he modified to camp while they are riding. Really solid aluminum trailer!
Thanks for your video! Biting my nails thinking about fitting me, my wife ,two small kids and a Great Pyrenees inside a similar size trailer haha. I got it right? Collapsable wall mounted beds maybe?
I’d totally recommend laying in the configuration your thinking. We started out thinking we would sleep sideways then found we couldn’t. Had to redo our design. It’s good to build big enough you don’t have to upgrade right away. 😅😁
@@waysoutback so taking a closer look at my trailer height. It’s 6’ in center and I’m 5’11”. So that leaves me 1” for flooring and ceiling wood. Jw, what height was your trailer from the 3/4” factory wood to the metal roof ribs? Starting to think I might not have enough height.
@@brett639 mine was 6’ 3” in the center but it had a curved roof, so by the walls was probably just under 6’. Your flooring will be thin probably not more the 1/4 inch and I would add all the insulation under the floor so you really won’t lose much height…. But if your planning on wearing shoes or boots in the trailer then it might not be tall enough. I would also be worried if you ever wanted to sell it in the future, under 6’ is a tough sell.
Big fan of your content. Appreciate all the information you put out. I'll definitely be purchasing the guide you made. I'm highly considering making a cargo trailer in a way that I can use in the winter just as you have set up. The main reason I want to use it is so I can camp out at ski resorts in the parking lot and get there before all the traffic, without having to pay unbelievable amounts for lodging (air Bnb and time share rentals are so overprice). I'm going to be purchasing a truck next year, then cargo trailer soon after. I've also considered a high end truck camper that can withstand the winter but leaning towards trailer so I can have a full bathroom.. I'm still trying to gauge how feasible my plan is as many ski resorts in the northeast have different rules for overnight parking. Any advice you may have or know of others that have done the same, let me know! Thanks!
Thanks Really appreciate it 👍 Sounds like you got a good plan! I almost went the van route but I’m super happy I went with a trailer. I really like exploring so I can just drop my trailer throw my canoe on my truck and start exploring. Funny we talked about that last winter and are planning some ski trips this winter. That’s how we are going to do it eat sleep in our trailer and ski the hill. It seems some hill have an overnight parking area other have nothing. But I figured I’d just ask at Walmart. Check out that website freecampsites.net nice community on there posting good places to stay! 👌
@@waysoutback thanks! Yeah the more I watch Van videos, although they’re cool, I like the idea of being able to detach from the living quarters as I will be using the trucks for other things. The thing I like least about the trailer is it’s not as stealth but then again, if you’re the only one in a parking lot of a ski resorts, hard to be stealth anyway! I’m looking forward to any upcoming videos you may have this year of your ski trips!
@@AW151992 so true! Lots more videos coming it’s getting into my favourite season for camping…. let me know if you figure out a good way to camp at the hill. Definitely going to try it.
Hi Zach thanks for the great video. Planning to get a cargo trailer later this year and this if very helpful. I had two questions for you. Does your book sort of layout what needs to be done in what order? (as I plan on doing a fair amount of work myself) Second have you had any issues with moisture or rocks from the road ruining your nice bottom insulation layout? I would think with all your off roading and snow camping that might be an issue. I was wondering how that is working out for you? Thank you.
That’s great to hear. I highly recommend building your own! I tried to lay it out step by step along with a link to each part I used. As I say in the guide the planning is the most important. The items cost the same but if installed in the wrong spot it can really throw off the trailer making it almost unusable. For instance if too much weight gets put on the tongue or too little it can cause problems. As for my insulation I definitely need to cover it with something I have been debating different materials. Stay tuned for update
Sorry about that. They just updated the payment system yesterday and I needed to finish the setup. It should be working now. Appreciate you letting me know! If you have any more questions please just ask. Zac
I really enjoy your videos you do a nice job I'm also very interested in seeing the supercharger on the ranger haha. I'm waiting out this nutty market I'm seeing prices start to come down so I plan to buy a trailer in 2023 on the used market. The beauty of these to me is you can do it so many ways and I would even challenge the argument that wiring needs to be in the walls. For me, my eventual plan is to have the wiring surface mounted in conduit on the inside street side wall... hidden in my kitchen cabinets and bathroom. That way if anything goes wrong I can access it and I really don't need more than a few outlets anyways. I'm more of a state park camper myself and don't need to carry tanks or solar. Which is the beauty of designing it to fit your needs
100% agree, I love the fact you can build it the way you want. I ran my wires in conduit under the trailer… it’s just solar, fan and switches up top. I think your right these prices will have to come down, but it will give you some time to plan out a nice build! Supercharger is working great! Two days ago I hauled 4400lbs of setting sand for a patio… I could stay in a taller gear for longer and had tons of power off the light. I really can’t wait to get my trailer hooked up behind it.
Yeah that’s a tough one. I recommend putting everything in the trailer where you want it. To many of these trailers are built with a heavy tongue. Try to split the weight evenly side to side also if you can. I bought an Amazon mail scale it’s good too 600lbs, weigh everything.
Ok here goes…. This is an extremely tough question! There are so many brands on the market across the USA. However finding a dealer who stocks what you want near where you live can be challenging. The build quality of trailer varies not only by the Manufacturer, but the actual plant in which they are made and the time of year they are made. It's a real crap shoot. Now I really like the Aluminum Trailers especially where they salt the roads. But I’m not sold on the fact you save much weight for the cost and I’m concerned with it's ability to flex when needed. Will the frame break easier than a steel trailer? I don't know, I probably wouldn’t off road them very hard. Ok specific brands. I have heard great things about the Look brand. They are a bit smaller but have really been trying to get a quality product, you will pay more for them. I would feel fine owning a Cargo Mate / Continential Cargo, even though there are some real horror stories regarding some model’s. With any trailer I'd investigate the negative reviews online to see if the problems people are having are related to problems that concern you. My recommendation and many are not going to agree with this. I think boxed tube frame is important not C-channel. After that I really don’t mind Z bar walls rather then tubing because I think it’s less of a thermal bridge you have to deal with. I like screwed on side panels because they are easy to fix and repair. I’m ok with two piece roof because we are putting holes up there anyways. As you can see I’m into a cheap bare bones model that is as light as possible. Doesn’t need 12” centre supports etc because of what our end result is going to be. Our campers are not going to weigh much compared to a construction trailer or landscaping trailer that is loaded right to the max and abused, in that case you would need a super good quality heavy duty trailer. To be honest I’d recommend looking around for a cheap used trailer. An older model, that has been used lightly. I found a really nice one a few weeks ago for a friend for 2000$. A trailer is not like a car with so many parts to wear out. Just throw new brakes, bearings, jack and tires and you will have a brand new trailer. Unless it’s rusted….. really avoid anything rusted. That’s my two cents hope it helps a bit. Zac
@@waysoutback Thanks, Never expected such a complete reply. Did a little research on your suggested brands. They all seem to be good sound trailers! All sound advice. My only dilemma as a newbie is what size trailer would best suit our needs as a couple. I would like to purchase one already insulated with factory-installed windows and wired for 120V AC if I had a choice. I could then concentrate on the rest to fit our needs. We just can't bring ourselves to spend $25-$40K for a manufactured travel trailer that has been price inflated 20-40 percent in the last two years and will be worthless not too far in the future, not to mention the poor quality trailers currently being pushed out.
@@danielspencer5023 Glad I could help a bit. It’s definitely a struggle to know what to do. The last couple years things have gotten right out of hand, everything has gone up or is so much harder to find. I believe there is a company out of Colorado that sells insulated shells ready to go, but unless I do it myself I really worry about the quality of the build. As for the size… Just be super careful you don’t get to heavy of a trailer. Add up all your items plus trailer weight and then I’d add 10-15% extra as a buffer. You don’t want to have a beautiful trailer but no ability to take it anywhere or costing you a fortune in fuel.
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Glad I could help! Keep that positive attitude and just plan plan plan…. It will be a great experience building your own trailer! Hope it goes well for you!
I bought a 5x8 cargo trailer 6 feet high ,1100 pounds for 3,200 bux,slapped a Bluetti 200Max solar generator inside of it. I’m the happiest camper in the world
Really nice… warm, off the ground and dry! 😄👍
We need a/c here in NC as we would be living full-time...
How can we accomplish this?
Many are running those mini split systems with the compressor mounted on the tongue, seems like a good system but you will need to plug in or use a generator.
Best video I’ve seen about why someone should build a cargo trailer. You covered it all. I should mention that a shiny new one has kind of an slight Airstream look to it. Just throw on some letters and you might have someone fooled. just sayin 😂
Thank you very much for your encouraging comment. Ya I can see what you mean about the look, I love airstreams too.
I ordered a 16' enclosed trailer from south Georgia five years ago as I have specific needs. I learned there are common build issues. For example, after removing plywood (one piece at a time to prevent racking), it was obvious that tack welding was common. Therefore, the strength of joints may be compromised as the trailer bounces at highway speeds. Most wall framing was not primed or painted but mill coat only. This isn't visible unless the plywood is removed. Framing which was painted was usually limited to a thin layer of paint. So, rust issues will become a problem. It seems that tube framing is the flavor of the month. The long term issue is rust inside the tubes. Move to the exterior skin and dissimilar metals contacting one another... aluminum skin touching metal framing with no paint, only mill coating. The result can be oxidation. Wall skin is an over lap joint with no sealant. This results in leaks. Wiring was routed through rough holes in the metal framing. It exposed the wire to future damage as the sharp/jagged edges cut into the insulation. These issues are not uncommon with trailers I've looked at. Wonder if it's an industry norm as it appears many manufacturers compete based on price and quality may not be a priority. The conclusion is most elements of construction can be addressed. However, buyers should be aware regarding the potential for construction issues.
Very good comment, really appreciate you sharing that information, some excellent things to look for in a trailer.… I looked At a few brands and the doors wouldn’t even line up they were so poorly welded. The local trailer company here has a few trailers in their show room stripped down so you can look at the workmanship they charge a bit more but are well made and they are proud of it. Maybe that’s one reason to go full aluminum no dissimilar metals helps the corrosion.
What you mentioned above is one of the reasons I like used…. If Your going to strip it down and rebuild it anyways might as well buy it cheap.
Very key points !!! Thank you Samuel. We are considering a small trailer......but not one of these rough and tough overlanding rigs (that are ridiculously out of our budget). But a road-tripper kind of 5X10 maybe 4-5 foot tall. Have you found any of the cargo manufacturers that are better than others? What is your opinion on aluminum frames vs. steel?
@@kimlittleton4943 Firstly builders. I cannot suggest one. Inspection with the interior wall covering removed might be helpful. What was primed, painted and are dissimilar metals in contact with one another. Aluminum would be less weight of course. But is it all aluminum? This means is the hitch aluminum as if there's steel in contact with aluminum that could be an issue. For example how are the springs fastened to the frame? It might be that purchasing a used trailer with the intent to disassemble most of it, then performing the basic tasks to bring it up to proper construction could have benefits. Time spent would not be one. Best of Luck... Sam
I have a Weeroll trailer and very happy with my build.
That’s great to hear! I will pass that on!
I almost bought a coleman 17b. It's me, my wife and our 2 beagels. 15,500 plus this and that and what have you, 20,000. Then financing on top, 25k. I didn't need the bunks. The shower, air conditioning and such is no good to me because we camp at a site that has no electricity. So I bought a new $6,000 6x12 cargo trailer and put about 1000 into it. Flooring, insulation, deep wet bar sink with a marine foot pump, built two walls to use as bathroom maybe future shower. Painted it inside and put in a steel frame bed with a memory foam mattress. I wish they had a 7x14 on site when I got the 6x12 but I didn't want to wait 4 months or pay the extra money. So far, I've had it over 2 months and got to go camping twice. Way better then setting up tents or popup camper that I had.
I’m with you I don’t camp where I have all the services. You get to build it the way you want for your needs. I like the 6’ wide it’s better for those narrow two tracks while boondocking. I think your smart camping in it a few times as you build, you will have a good idea what you want to add or change. Personally I think you made the right call. 👌👍
Great points. A few things I wish I considered.
1. Insulate conduction and convection. I Insulated but cargo trailers absorb alot. You'll never regret too much insulation.
2. Consider you points for drains and pipes. Cargo trailers are lower to the ground. Any little grade can mess up your grey or black tank draining.
3. Aerodynamic and weight consider this, bc the more it cost you to drive it the less you'll do it.
4. I wish my windows were bigger, I think everyone I talk to wishes they were a little bigger. Have an alternate exit.
Excellent points! 100%!!
Through my extensive viewing of cargo trailer conversion videos, the sweet spot of dimensions is 7 feet wide minimum (for lateral beds), 7 - 7'6" feet tall for shower and floor/ceiling insulation & split unit a/c, 12 feet long still fits in a parking spot. Configure for either the front half kitchen/half shower, or front bunk beds.
That sounds about right to me! 👍
I’d probably have mine a bit lower ceiling height because once it’s on big tires and lifted it can get really high.
very nice... Im building an 8 x 16 v-nose cargo trailer into an RV and Mobile Sign Shop. I have designed the entire conversion on the computer at full scale. I'm just starting on the walls and cabinets. I used to travel in a 15-passenger cargo bus, but I purchased a large format color printer for decals/stickers, t-shirts, koozies, banners, magnetics, etc. I would have lost a lot of storage in the shuttle bus, so I had to get something a little bigger. I have the shuttle bus conversion and my cargo trailer series on my YT channel.
Inspired by your videos I've started my 6x12 in April and it is now 60-70% ready. Borrowed a lot of your ideas. My bill-of-material has reached $8.5k (CAD) of what is inside plus 12k the trailer itself (new, aluminium). Plus my work (I'd say, couple hundred hours). Also, to mention is that in some cases you can exchange time for money even in a CTC build. I've chosen to pay for e-breaks, roof rack, wall insulation and windows because with new trailer it saved me weeks of work. Doing it myself wold not be much cheaper. I could focus on other stuff and camp 3-4 times in a half-built trailer.
Actually, my CTC build was gradual, starting with camping in an empty box when I received it (April-May). Then camping with fridge, light, beds, bunks and some storage. Next level (3 days) was already with galley, water pump, solar and 40 gallon fresh water tank. In a week I will be camping and testing awning and diesel heater that I've installed today. So, next camping season will start with additional storage, cabinets and shower.
Kind of "agile development" starting with an MVP - an empty box, but usable on any weekend of the summer, so you can build and camp.
Maybe one day could be a guest on your channel to share my experience ;) (I am from Montreal)
Right on glad they helped a bit… I know it can seem a bit expensive but I think that’s still a pretty good deal for a trailer that is custom built the way you want for the camping you want to do. Sounds like you put a lot of thought and planning into it, I think that is so important!
I bet taking it out and camping while building would help a bit… you could see what would work for you or what part of the plan should be tweaked.
Would love to interview you and get your experience, point of view in building one…. On my website is a contact page that goes straight to me. Shoot me an email, maybe we can set something up for the spring? Thanks for sharing the info
Do you have your trailer posted some where that I could see it?
Not much ppl in Montreal does that but I did, just little remain for touch up, like brake something and make it better.wife empty water for shower,got bigger water tank, ect. To me is cargo trailer a plus… I’ve seen accidents with cargo trailer so little damage.
Thanks for the guide!! Can't wait to delve deeper and finalize my design. Super excited!
Right on! Plan, Plan, Plan 😁👍
The guide should really help. I tried to include everything I had to learn during the process. I sure wish when I started I had something like it, would have saved me a ton of time. You can use the contact page on the website or through instagram let me know if you have any questions. 👍
Take your time, Watch all the builds you can. Make sketches of what you like as you go. Then work it all into YOUR plan... Best part is building it for YOU
@@johnw65 that’s some great advice there 👌👍
I would like to build with a cargo trailer vs. a manufactured trailer for a couple of reasons. You mentioned the ability to get off road. I’m looking to travel to remote locations which are probably located on less than desirable roads. A larger trailer would never go there. Next, I don’t intend to live in a cargo trailer for an extended period of time. Just get out and enjoy the outdoors when I can. Also, I won’t need all the luxuries of manufactured housing. Just the essential items as most living will be outside the cargo. Next safety, I like the idea of being able to come indoors at night or during stormy weather and closing and locking a door behind me. Heck, I could sleep on a cot in the beginning and minimize my load out. So I appreciate knowing about solid welded frame construction. That’s something that I will definitely be looking for. Also the addition of shocks and electric brakes. Definitely will need to have the leaf springs on top of the axle. I ordered your book, I know that having your experience and knowledge backing me up will make a world of difference. Thank you for all of this.
Love your videos! Definitely subscribing! Wish I had bought your guide back before I started my cargo camper! I’m over a year in and more than halfway done. I wanted a simple “upgraded tent on wheels” and my lovely wife wanted an instagram ready dream camper, we’ve tried to find balance but changing plans as you go adds money and adds time ☹️ only thing I wanted to add to your video is in our case it was WELL worth it to drive to the cargo trailer manufacturer and save literally thousands of dollars. The same trailer direct from the builder cost $3,000 less than buying it in my area, had to drive 16 hours but it saved a TON of money, and I was able to customize the size and door placement for my design vs buying used. Great video!!
It’s funny how these things just grow and your never really ever done! 😂
Great tip on the trailer… I didn’t know that but will file that away if I get the energy for another build. Sounds like it was well worth a little road trip! 👍
I purchased a Pace 6x10 in 98 after long thought on double door placement in the rear. After converting it, I couldn’t think of a better design and it seems like they all have front side doors now. Having a bunk and sliding couch / bed in the front really maximizes the space available and keeps the weight forward, even though it pulls like it’s not there due to low ceiling height.
Interesting. That sounds like a great design. What else do you have in it? Kitchen?
Ive learned so much from this one video. 1st time trailer builder.
So glad to hear that. I created a guide as well on converting a cargo trailer that is available on my website. Here. waysoutback.com/product/how-to-guide/
Walks you through the process avoiding all the mistakes I made!
My $2000 used 4x6 V-nose/ramp door cargo trailer is now my toy-hauler/camper/theater. Solar pwr'd off grid, w/AC is pretty comfy. DIY means you build what you want... 28mpg is nice too !!!
Did I mention 4x5 roof rack, 6x8 awning, 6ft digital TV antenna mast, AM/FM antenna, 48"x 68" Diamond Plate deck over the extended tongue, and future plans for a 'Ramp-room' that pins to the ramp and rides on the fore-deck?
Wow you fit a lot into a 4x6! 👌
I agree best part of a cargo trailer shell is you get to put in what you want. We love ours! Thanks for sharing!
@@waysoutback The 'V-Nose' is a bonus, and allows the length I need for my scooter. My 75x38x6 TriFold SofaBed almost fills the thing! 5ft clg leaves 32" under the 28" TV cabinet up in the "V"... 5K BTU AC will leave your teeth chattering if you turn it down... lol
Great informations!
Thanks for sharing.
Function first.
A tent that I can tow.
A hard-walled and hard-roofed all-weather tent.
That’s perfect then! The problem is you will start with that, then think…. Maybe I should just add a few batteries…… and the building starts 😂
thanks for the vid awesome work helped me on my decision on the cargo iam there thanks
Glad I could help! Any questions just reach out. 👍
Glad I'm a contractor, got all those tools and then some!
Right on… build away. You got the skills and the tools! 👌👍
@@waysoutback is sound deadner necessary?
@@nauidiver227 I don’t think so. In my opinion if you were building a van something you’re inside while driving then I’d use sound deadener. But for these “RVs” I think the most sound comes through the windows. Single pane and all that. You could maybe use some on the roof if you don’t like the rain sound but I really do.
@@waysoutback yeah think the plan for me is another 7x16 trailer. Have one already for work just needs higher ceilings. Already have a pretty good idea for my layout. I live in Florida so rain could be too frequent. Thanks for the advice I'll do it to the ceilings.
Take a look at Peak Mt Camps from Spring City, UT. Made for extreme conditions. Has Tiny Wood Stove for primary or secondary heat. Really enjoy your videos. 😊
Will do thanks for the recommendations
I'm looking at buying 1 from a dealer in a nearby town. It's a 8.5 x 16 spartan brand trailer. Already insulated, cabinets in the nose with a sink , fresh and waste water tanks, a 6 gallon water heater. A few windows, an awning, ac with a heat strip. I have a TV that I will have mounted on the wall and a compact fridge that I will use as well in it. Since I already have some camping gear and can't tow a lot with the truck I currently have an money will be tight for a while after buying the trailer. Any other modifications will have to be made later on.
Wow that sounds nice… much more luxurious then mine. You will get a lot of years of enjoyment out of that. Are you thinking of full timing in it?
@waysoutback no just going on camping trips occasionally and using it for deer hunting camp. Tired of my tent and it works out better for me than a regular Rv/camper. Because of several reasons less maintenance, cheaper and comes within the weight range of the truck I have at the moment.
@@gianna01michelle sounds like a good fit! The strength and quality compared to a normal RV is amazing. It will hold together no matter what you put it through!
Your build is just the perfect size I think.
I think so.. and it’s super easy to tow with my little truck, easy on gas, easy to back up. Yet still has all we need inside.
Getting ready to start mine. Planning to fit my motorcycle in the back off to the side
Right on… I’ve seen some pretty neat designs with flip up beds… unless you are ok towing a bigger trailer then you can fit it out full luxury 👌😁
@@waysoutbackim staying at 12 foot, 14 at most. Bed along the left side. That can fold down when bikes not in there. But I want at least to lay down with built inside for times in where I don't want to unload. Small shower/ toilet in nose . Working on layout now
@@dieselguy62 that makes sense. Personally I think your on the right track keeping it as small as possible, easier to tow, better on gas, easier to back up 👍
I really like the idea of a small toy hauler. You could still fit a decent little kitchen and bathroom upfront, might need the water tank underneath though for space. Let me know how it goes…. If you can post a video link once your done I’d love to see the design. 👍
Great video, and I also purchased your guide. Now my question is, what cargo trailer manufacturer do you recommend, this to start will save me a great deal of time, and a possible mistake when purchased.
Ok here goes…. This is an extremely tough question! There are so many brands on the market across the USA. However finding a dealer who stocks what you want near where you live can be challenging. The build quality of trailer varies not only by the Manufacturer, but the actual plant in which they are made and the time of year they are made. It's a real crap shoot.
Now I really like the Aluminum Trailers especially where they salt the roads. But I’m not sold on the fact you save much weight for the cost and I’m concerned with it's ability to flex when needed. Will the frame break easier than a steel trailer? I don't know, I probably wouldn’t off road them very hard.
Ok specific brands. I have heard great things about the Look brand. They are a bit smaller but have really been trying to get a quality product, you will pay more for them.
I would feel find owning a Cargo Mate / Continential Cargo, even though there are some real horror stories regarding some model’s. With any trailer I'd investigate the negative reviews online to see if the problems people are having are related to problems that concern you.
My recommendation and many are not going to agree with this. I think boxed tube frame is important not C-channel. After that I really don’t mind Z bar walls rather then tubing because I think it’s less of a thermal bridge you have to deal with. I like screwed on side panels because they are easy to fix and repair. I’m ok with two piece roof because we are putting holes up there anyways. As you can see I’m into a cheap bare bones model that is as light as possible. Doesn’t need 12” centre supports etc because of what our end result is going to be. Our campers are not going to weigh much compared to a construction trailer or landscaping trailer that is loaded right to the max and abused, in that case you would need a super good quality heavy duty trailer.
To be honest I’d recommend looking around for a cheap used trailer. An older model, that has been used lightly. I found a really nice one a few weeks ago for a friend for 2000$. A trailer is not like a car with so many parts to wear out. Just throw new brakes, bearings, jack and tires and you will have a brand new trailer. Unless it’s rusted….. really avoid anything rusted.
That’s my two cents hope it helps a bit.
Zac
@@waysoutback Hello Zac, and thanks for the reply, now I just sold my 13 Year old cargo trailer for $1,600.00, with angle iron frame 24" o/c side panels 1/2" plywood floor, and it was not a good long term trailer investment, leaks and squeaks. Now wait for it, my new trailer is a car mate with boxed steel frame seamless side, one piece roof and 16" o/c side wood bows with 3/8" finished ply interior with a 3/4" floor. Don't shake your head, I will insulate with blown in product that is fire proof high "R" value. Also for a new purchase I could have bought something less expensive and Canadian made, but 1/2" chip board floor's and 1/4" paneling was not a feature for me. Living in cottage country the places to camp are literally next door and do not want to take my new Honda Ridgeline of road. I also watch you videos on a regular basis for guidance on this new project.
where do you fine trailers windows and parts
I like used windows. RV salvage places or automotive recycling places sometimes have RVs. They usually have a good selection to look through.
I guess I missed the part about why to build or not to build one. I just spent 2 nights in a 26' toy hauler and was disappointed. This was supposedly a higher end manufacturer and it still seemed fragile. Made me not want to consider one. I was thinking getting/using a horse trailer as a base. Might be a little stronger built than cargo trailers.
I think it really depends on the person, skill level, time. If you have both those then hands down best way to go! My dad has a horse trailer he modified to camp while they are riding. Really solid aluminum trailer!
Thanks for your video! Biting my nails thinking about fitting me, my wife ,two small kids and a Great Pyrenees inside a similar size trailer haha. I got it right? Collapsable wall mounted beds maybe?
I’d totally recommend laying in the configuration your thinking. We started out thinking we would sleep sideways then found we couldn’t. Had to redo our design. It’s good to build big enough you don’t have to upgrade right away. 😅😁
@@waysoutback so taking a closer look at my trailer height. It’s 6’ in center and I’m 5’11”. So that leaves me 1” for flooring and ceiling wood. Jw, what height was your trailer from the 3/4” factory wood to the metal roof ribs? Starting to think I might not have enough height.
@@brett639 mine was 6’ 3” in the center but it had a curved roof, so by the walls was probably just under 6’. Your flooring will be thin probably not more the 1/4 inch and I would add all the insulation under the floor so you really won’t lose much height…. But if your planning on wearing shoes or boots in the trailer then it might not be tall enough.
I would also be worried if you ever wanted to sell it in the future, under 6’ is a tough sell.
Thanks !!!! Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
Big fan of your content. Appreciate all the information you put out. I'll definitely be purchasing the guide you made.
I'm highly considering making a cargo trailer in a way that I can use in the winter just as you have set up. The main reason I want to use it is so I can camp out at ski resorts in the parking lot and get there before all the traffic, without having to pay unbelievable amounts for lodging (air Bnb and time share rentals are so overprice). I'm going to be purchasing a truck next year, then cargo trailer soon after. I've also considered a high end truck camper that can withstand the winter but leaning towards trailer so I can have a full bathroom.. I'm still trying to gauge how feasible my plan is as many ski resorts in the northeast have different rules for overnight parking. Any advice you may have or know of others that have done the same, let me know! Thanks!
Thanks Really appreciate it 👍
Sounds like you got a good plan! I almost went the van route but I’m super happy I went with a trailer. I really like exploring so I can just drop my trailer throw my canoe on my truck and start exploring.
Funny we talked about that last winter and are planning some ski trips this winter. That’s how we are going to do it eat sleep in our trailer and ski the hill. It seems some hill have an overnight parking area other have nothing. But I figured I’d just ask at Walmart. Check out that website freecampsites.net nice community on there posting good places to stay! 👌
@@waysoutback thanks! Yeah the more I watch Van videos, although they’re cool, I like the idea of being able to detach from the living quarters as I will be using the trucks for other things. The thing I like least about the trailer is it’s not as stealth but then again, if you’re the only one in a parking lot of a ski resorts, hard to be stealth anyway! I’m looking forward to any upcoming videos you may have this year of your ski trips!
@@AW151992 so true! Lots more videos coming it’s getting into my favourite season for camping…. let me know if you figure out a good way to camp at the hill. Definitely going to try it.
Hi Zach thanks for the great video. Planning to get a cargo trailer later this year and this if very helpful. I had two questions for you.
Does your book sort of layout what needs to be done in what order? (as I plan on doing a fair amount of work myself)
Second have you had any issues with moisture or rocks from the road ruining your nice bottom insulation layout? I would think with all your off roading and snow camping that might be an issue. I was wondering how that is working out for you? Thank you.
That’s great to hear. I highly recommend building your own!
I tried to lay it out step by step along with a link to each part I used. As I say in the guide the planning is the most important. The items cost the same but if installed in the wrong spot it can really throw off the trailer making it almost unusable. For instance if too much weight gets put on the tongue or too little it can cause problems. As for my insulation I definitely need to cover it with something I have been debating different materials. Stay tuned for update
Hi. tried ordering your course. Is it stil avail? Says there is no payment method
Sorry about that. They just updated the payment system yesterday and I needed to finish the setup. It should be working now. Appreciate you letting me know! If you have any more questions please just ask.
Zac
I really enjoy your videos you do a nice job I'm also very interested in seeing the supercharger on the ranger haha.
I'm waiting out this nutty market I'm seeing prices start to come down so I plan to buy a trailer in 2023 on the used market. The beauty of these to me is you can do it so many ways and I would even challenge the argument that wiring needs to be in the walls. For me, my eventual plan is to have the wiring surface mounted in conduit on the inside street side wall... hidden in my kitchen cabinets and bathroom. That way if anything goes wrong I can access it and I really don't need more than a few outlets anyways. I'm more of a state park camper myself and don't need to carry tanks or solar. Which is the beauty of designing it to fit your needs
100% agree, I love the fact you can build it the way you want. I ran my wires in conduit under the trailer… it’s just solar, fan and switches up top.
I think your right these prices will have to come down, but it will give you some time to plan out a nice build!
Supercharger is working great! Two days ago I hauled 4400lbs of setting sand for a patio… I could stay in a taller gear for longer and had tons of power off the light. I really can’t wait to get my trailer hooked up behind it.
My only concern is the weight distribution. How can I figure that.
Yeah that’s a tough one. I recommend putting everything in the trailer where you want it. To many of these trailers are built with a heavy tongue. Try to split the weight evenly side to side also if you can. I bought an Amazon mail scale it’s good too 600lbs, weigh everything.
Great video! What cargo trailer manufacturer do you recommend?
Ok here goes…. This is an extremely tough question! There are so many brands on the market across the USA. However finding a dealer who stocks what you want near where you live can be challenging. The build quality of trailer varies not only by the Manufacturer, but the actual plant in which they are made and the time of year they are made. It's a real crap shoot.
Now I really like the Aluminum Trailers especially where they salt the roads. But I’m not sold on the fact you save much weight for the cost and I’m concerned with it's ability to flex when needed. Will the frame break easier than a steel trailer? I don't know, I probably wouldn’t off road them very hard.
Ok specific brands. I have heard great things about the Look brand. They are a bit smaller but have really been trying to get a quality product, you will pay more for them.
I would feel fine owning a Cargo Mate / Continential Cargo, even though there are some real horror stories regarding some model’s. With any trailer I'd investigate the negative reviews online to see if the problems people are having are related to problems that concern you.
My recommendation and many are not going to agree with this. I think boxed tube frame is important not C-channel. After that I really don’t mind Z bar walls rather then tubing because I think it’s less of a thermal bridge you have to deal with. I like screwed on side panels because they are easy to fix and repair. I’m ok with two piece roof because we are putting holes up there anyways. As you can see I’m into a cheap bare bones model that is as light as possible. Doesn’t need 12” centre supports etc because of what our end result is going to be. Our campers are not going to weigh much compared to a construction trailer or landscaping trailer that is loaded right to the max and abused, in that case you would need a super good quality heavy duty trailer.
To be honest I’d recommend looking around for a cheap used trailer. An older model, that has been used lightly. I found a really nice one a few weeks ago for a friend for 2000$. A trailer is not like a car with so many parts to wear out. Just throw new brakes, bearings, jack and tires and you will have a brand new trailer. Unless it’s rusted….. really avoid anything rusted.
That’s my two cents hope it helps a bit.
Zac
@@waysoutback Thanks, Never expected such a complete reply. Did a little research on your suggested brands. They all seem to be good sound trailers! All sound advice. My only dilemma as a newbie is what size trailer would best suit our needs as a couple. I would like to purchase one already insulated with factory-installed windows and wired for 120V AC if I had a choice. I could then concentrate on the rest to fit our needs. We just can't bring ourselves to spend $25-$40K for a manufactured travel trailer that has been price inflated 20-40 percent in the last two years and will be worthless not too far in the future, not to mention the poor quality trailers currently being pushed out.
@@danielspencer5023 Glad I could help a bit. It’s definitely a struggle to know what to do. The last couple years things have gotten right out of hand, everything has gone up or is so much harder to find. I believe there is a company out of Colorado that sells insulated shells ready to go, but unless I do it myself I really worry about the quality of the build. As for the size… Just be super careful you don’t get to heavy of a trailer. Add up all your items plus trailer weight and then I’d add 10-15% extra as a buffer. You don’t want to have a beautiful trailer but no ability to take it anywhere or costing you a fortune in fuel.
@@waysoutback Thanks, All good advice!
Very nice 👍
Thanks appreciate that 👍
Thank you
You're welcome! Hope it helps a bit.
Do you build trailers for customers?
No, I’ve had a few ask but honestly I just don’t seem to have the time, or a nice covered area to build them. Maybe in the future 😄
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Glad I could help! Keep that positive attitude and just plan plan plan…. It will be a great experience building your own trailer!
Hope it goes well for you!