I think it might be communicable. I knew a little bit about the Bergman pistols before, but now that I have a lot more information, I feel....I feel the itch! I need one!
I don't care what anyone else says I have loved this entire Bergman series. Please continue bringing us development histories from other interesting arms.
finding a place that have all iterations of a gun to compare side by side is really rare though, but i agree. this is my favourite series of videos from this channel so far
Walter White yeah, the 1910/21 looks sweet with a wooden grip - I much prefer its looks to the very early models. Also, the stock attachment seems greatly improved.
I kind of like them too. They are a bit smaller then the Mauser, and a detachable magazine means a lot. The detachable magazine C96s are rare to say the least.
In the recent Danish movie 9. April detailing the events of the German invasion of Denmark in April 1940, on the eve of the battle you see an officer preparing and loading a Bergmann pistol. I just don't remember whether it is a 1910 or 1910/21. Also, the movie is notable for its use of Danish Krag Jørgensen rifles, Madsen light machine guns and the 20 mm Madsen auto cannon mounted on Nimbus motorbikes. Only weapon out of place is an MG 42 which I suspect was due to inability to find a working MG 34.
In a key scene, a German armored car has a proper MG34, while a German motorcycle has the MG42. I'm telling myself, it's an MG34. www.imfdb.org/wiki/April_9th That site lists the pistol as the M1910/21. Damn good film. Depressing, but damn good. Catch it, if you can.
I was wondering if there are historical accounts of how these later Bergmanns fared in service? They look pretty decent but were they reliable? Officers of the period often supplied their own side-arm; were Bergmanns a popular choice or had Mauser cornered the market?
It looks like a Las pistol from Warhammer 40K. I like this more than the Mauser c96 because the barrel isn't quite as long and it uses box magazines instead of strippers. Technically speaking, it's better than the c96 IMHO. It looks like there is a more modern, 20th century pistol inside trying to break out of a 19th century design.
huh. I actually have the OTHER AEP Bayard, a little .32 pocket pistol. I knew the Model 1908 was shared between my little pistol and this one, didn't know it was a Spanish military contract. Neat to know.
EisenKreig It sertanly is and I have had the pleasure of shooting one, but as a military service pistol it is rather dated by now and the fact that they have been in more or less continuous use since the 1950's doesn't really help reliability
I have a bergmann No.5 / 1897 I use for display purposes thats in great condition. I would love to shoot it but finding casings for reloading is hard as hell. I would also need to know the loads the cartridge used. if you have any info on this ian I would greatly appreciate it.
Also how often do you visit the James D. Julia Auction house? I live about 50 miles from there and I occasionally go to spectate the auctions themselves. Quite a collection of stuff they have there.
I'm really surprised they never made a larger magazine for that gun, like a 10 or a 12 round magazine even a 20 would been awesome. It would have stuck out a little bit but would have been way more effective during combat. And especially with the fact that they took stripper clips could have had bigger stripper clips to go with the bigger magazines also. I really like that gold inlay on that one it looked really nice I forget the term for that but you talked about that before where they do all those pistols with that gold inlay.
The 1910/21 was my favorite among the Martial pistols of that Era. It was a joy to shoot, and easy to maintain. (although the extractor could have been done better. )
I shoot right-handed and am left eye dominant. For pistols, I put my right cheek to my shoulder which puts my left eye in line with my arm. With most scoped rifles I've used, I can usually (if the eye relief is long enough) get a proper picture through the scope with my left eye after a while.Rifle iron sights are still tricky, though.
Yup, likewise my wife and my son, both "horribly crippled" 😉 My Dad was left handed too, but joining the British armed forces as a National Serviceman cured that - "All of our equipment is right handed, so *YOU* will be right handed !" 😁
anyone else catch on that the pistol in John Wayne's Big Jake featured one of these? One of my favorite western movies, and a dear memory of my father as a child. I never new they where real!
I had an opportunity to purchase a 1910 Bergmann Bayard just over a year ago. I passed on it, mainly because I didn't know much about it or the 9mm Bergmann cartridge. If I had seen this series before that opportunity, I think I would have spent the money and bought the gun as a collector's piece. Now I know what an amazing firearm it is and will keep an eye open for a future opportunity.
Hey i would just like to put this out. Your videos are really interesting to watch, lots of intreresting information, history facts and little details you mention (really appreciate that). Also i really love the way you talk, it is really visible you love to do this and know a ton about this. So ye... really cool quality content, i have to say. I absolutely fell in love with your channel :) Keep up the good work Mister !
Love me a Bergmann!! It's 2021 and I'm happily working my way through all the Bergmann videos on here ... Blessed am I, for Gun Jesus' bounty is plentiful and everlasting ;-)
I love magazine forward the look of these Bergmann's, and browsed for a modern equivalent. Not many to choose from, but the Walther GSP looks promising. It seems to be available in .22 and .32. Has anyone seen anything similar in 9mm?
Hi Ian, I have enjoyed this series of videos, thank you. I am guessing an In Range Mud Test is not on the cards but given your experience in these matters how do you think the 1910/21 would fair. Are there any records of the Bergmann's performance in the field?
Fun fact. The Danish military bought the replacement gun in 1949 (M/49-SIG 210-Neuhausen). Denmark has just decided, to look for a replacement. After 68 years of service, estimated arrival in 2019.
"Hærens Tøjhus" Was one of the Danish state arsenals. The literal translation would be "The army clothing house" It got its name because they also made the uniforms for the soldiers there too. And there has been a large display of army equipment there since the 19 century. Its still there as a museum. I place you should check out if you are ever in Denmark
love the bergmann pistols, especially the older models. kind of look like a cross between a c96 and a p08, the mauser action with the lugers barrel. They really give off the vibe of the signature gun of the big bad guy from a movie, very cool
Ha ha ... "Hærens Tøjhus" means as much as the Army Mall or Clothing house :cD ... great video, a lot of very interesting facts. Excatly the reason I watch you videos. If you need any help with translating danish or German hit me up. I'm danish living in germany.
You kinda butchered Hærens Tøjhus, and Hærens Rustkammer. But its okay :-). But have you ever visited Tøjhuset in Copenhagen? Though they did change their exhibition, so theirs not many of all their guns on display anymore.
During the German occupation and the Danish domestic production, did Bergmann continue to get royalties? I assume not, but I also assume that if he had known about it he wouldn't have been happy. Was this an open legal question or did Bergmann not know this was going on or didn't care? Also, Wikipedia says the Bergmann was replaced in Danish service by the Browning Hi-Power. I'm guessing the Danish actually used both it and the SIG 210.
Yet another excellent video! I do not think we can get enough of these videos on what are very rare pistols, the world is full of videos on the more popular, (boring) guns that have been churned out by the million, I can see no gain to anyone in producing yet more duplicate information on these. The Bergmann, on the other hand is very sparsely covered in video or book form, so this short series is most welcome, the only down side of this short series of videos is that it is going to push the already high price of these gems up even further among men of good taste.
You forgot to mention, that 1908 pistols had such a bad reputation of being weak (cracked receivers were VERY common) that forced the adoption of the Campo Giro pistols as a quick replacement....in fact spanish officers prefered to carry the older revolvers over that pistol, once proven its lack of reliability and their tendency to break...
Cool. Another maker that's interesting is Pieper. Definitely predates the Beretta barrel tip up design. Pieper 6.35 is a pocket pistol . Peeper. Not Piper.
If any of you guys want to see a Danish Bergmann M1910 and the markings on such an example, here's a link: www.arma-dania.dk/public/timeline/_AD_pistoler_view.php?editid1=54
Hærens Tøjhus literally means the armys clothing house and is an military owned supply service. Hærens Rustkammer means the armys armament office and is also a military owned fabricator
Who copied ideas from who? Everyone will undoubtedly make comparisons to the C96 Broomhandle but there's another Spanish gun that needs to be thrown in the mix and that is the Astra. I don't know the model or production dates but it could have been influential in design if it was made around the same time. Or vise versa.
Oh come on..No one's gonna mention the only western with a Bergmann in it?"Big Jake" it looks like an 1896 but they call it a model 1911 and say that it's gas operated ..and that it holds 8 rounds..in the magazine in the hand grip...so not a lot of research done.
The John Wayne movie "Big Jake" features a Bergman model 1910 in the year 1908. It was an experimental model because the McCandels family were investors.
Bergmann should offered a wooden shoulder stock instead of that mostly leather one, they had a very solid stock attachment system. With a wooden stock the pistol would be very good at shooting.
Can these Bergman pistols be converted to 9 mm or do they still sell 9 mm largo on today's commercial market, I understand it's a bigger case than traditional Luger 9 mm but is it really that much more powerful per se?
The Spanish alteration is based on, that the Spanish have smaller hand than the Northern Europeans. The Danes had bigger hands and changed the guns accordingly.
The two different stocks might have been made in mind for how different armies would traditionally wear their kit, one might wear their holster on the left and sabre on the right or vice versa depending on traditions, parade doctrine etc
Does the collector of these handguns ever take them out to the range, or are they strictly safe queens? I understand if the ammo is unavailable, but it would be a damn shame if these beauties went through the rest of their existence unloved.
Ian stop, we think you need help. Professional help. You've become a Bergmannaholic
I can stop any time I want!
haha that's what all addicts say!
I think it might be communicable. I knew a little bit about the Bergman pistols before, but now that I have a lot more information, I feel....I feel the itch! I need one!
"I got a fever! And the only cure is more Bergmann!"
They are very beautiful and charming so I think it's ok. Or maybe I am addicted too?
I don't care what anyone else says I have loved this entire Bergman series. Please continue bringing us development histories from other interesting arms.
finding a place that have all iterations of a gun to compare side by side is really rare though, but i agree.
this is my favourite series of videos from this channel so far
Me too, this was incredible
"I hope you guys enjoyed this as much as I did." Ian, we all know it's impossible for us to enjoy this as much as you.
Keep up the excellent work!
My Arab friend translated the Arabic gold inlay on the last pistol to say 'Beware, strength consists in archery', an Islamic Hadith.
I bet I could make this gun at this point.
oh dang ma, hurry up Bergmann's World is on.
The auction house owner is like, "Gun Jesus, we love having you here, but if you could please stop turning water into Bergmann's, we'd appreciate it."
the Bergman channel! not complaining we all now have a PhD in Bergmans
I think I actually prefer the later model bergmann's over the c96 Mauser, especially the 1910/21.
Walter White yeah, the 1910/21 looks sweet with a wooden grip - I much prefer its looks to the very early models.
Also, the stock attachment seems greatly improved.
I kind of like them too. They are a bit smaller then the Mauser, and a detachable magazine means a lot. The detachable magazine C96s are rare to say the least.
I love these! What do they normally sell for? Or are there good repos?
The grips look much more comfortable.
They do have a good look to them. They might really be better looking than the Broomhandle.
remember that gun that tried to contest the c96 broomhandle?
Bergmann farm remembers
I'm actually from Liège, and I have no idea how to pronounce "pieper" :v.
I shall drink ALL THE BEER until I can !
Pee Per.
11:00
1910 military don't-
1910 military don't-
1910 military don't want none unless it can be stocked hun!
at this point I'm gonna start referring to Ian as "The BergMan(n)"
"Hærens Tøjhus" means "the Army Armoury" - don´t think it was a company x)
hjorturerlend also Tøjhus and Rustkammer (the second manufacturer) basically means the same in Danish so it is most likely the same place.
And "Heeres-Rüstkammer" is a German translation of "Hærens Tøjhus" ;)
In the recent Danish movie 9. April detailing the events of the German invasion of Denmark in April 1940, on the eve of the battle you see an officer preparing and loading a Bergmann pistol. I just don't remember whether it is a 1910 or 1910/21.
Also, the movie is notable for its use of Danish Krag Jørgensen rifles, Madsen light machine guns and the 20 mm Madsen auto cannon mounted on Nimbus motorbikes. Only weapon out of place is an MG 42 which I suspect was due to inability to find a working MG 34.
In a key scene, a German armored car has a proper MG34, while a German motorcycle has the MG42. I'm telling myself, it's an MG34.
www.imfdb.org/wiki/April_9th
That site lists the pistol as the M1910/21.
Damn good film. Depressing, but damn good. Catch it, if you can.
Excellent film, that one
I can't wait for the sequel!
Bergmann 2: Electric Boogaloo
I was wondering if there are historical accounts of how these later Bergmanns fared in service? They look pretty decent but were they reliable? Officers of the period often supplied their own side-arm; were Bergmanns a popular choice or had Mauser cornered the market?
This comment will make it to the top eventually for absolutely no reason at all.
"hærens tøjhus" basically translates to "the army's armory/arsenal"
Awesome series Ian! Congrats on 400k subscribers! You sure do deserve it. Keep up the great work! - Jacob S.
And gun jesus said, "Ye shall make bergman videos"
Bergman 3;16
lol, love the videos Ian, thanks for the uploads!
It looks like a Las pistol from Warhammer 40K.
I like this more than the Mauser c96 because the barrel isn't quite as long and it uses box magazines instead of strippers. Technically speaking, it's better than the c96 IMHO.
It looks like there is a more modern, 20th century pistol inside trying to break out of a 19th century design.
out of curiosity, Ian, how many more Bergman pistol videos are left? they're great vids, but I fear my tastes tend more towards rifles.
One more :)
timberjack460 I sexually identify as a Bergmann Model of 1910
Ingrid Bergman?
This is getting ridiculous, where did he get all those Bergmann pistols from?
Is anyone making modern pistols with this "magazine forward" configuration?
25:10 "...a substantially better grip on the pistol. And is large enough to stick a magazine in the handle!" : )
Anyone else discover this gun from the John Wayne western Big Jake?
This is now the Forgotten Bergmanns channel.
Are you planning on making a video about the SiG P210?
huh. I actually have the OTHER AEP Bayard, a little .32 pocket pistol. I knew the Model 1908 was shared between my little pistol and this one, didn't know it was a Spanish military contract. Neat to know.
A fun fact about Danish services pistols: we still use the p210 today. Pistols really isn't a priority in the Danish army
Unit 2 Hey the p210 is a wonderful shooter
EisenKreig It sertanly is and I have had the pleasure of shooting one, but as a military service pistol it is rather dated by now and the fact that they have been in more or less continuous use since the 1950's doesn't really help reliability
I owned one of the Sig p 210's that came on the surplus market about 10 years ago. I think I paid about $1200 for it then
Is there any chance that we will see the cetme ameli? I cant seem to find any videos taking an in depth look at it...
The Memes in this comment section are crazy
I have a bergmann No.5 / 1897 I use for display purposes thats in great condition. I would love to shoot it but finding casings for reloading is hard as hell. I would also need to know the loads the cartridge used. if you have any info on this ian I would greatly appreciate it.
Also how often do you visit the James D. Julia Auction house? I live about 50 miles from there and I occasionally go to spectate the auctions themselves. Quite a collection of stuff they have there.
Starline Brass has 9mm largo cases.
Thanks for the info. just ordered some.
You can also buy brand new 9mm Largo if you don't want to reload.
I know a tec-9 when I see one, nice try.
I'm really surprised they never made a larger magazine for that gun, like a 10 or a 12 round magazine even a 20 would been awesome. It would have stuck out a little bit but would have been way more effective during combat. And especially with the fact that they took stripper clips could have had bigger stripper clips to go with the bigger magazines also. I really like that gold inlay on that one it looked really nice I forget the term for that but you talked about that before where they do all those pistols with that gold inlay.
these are the videos that never ends yes it goes on and on my friend
Someone started playing it, not knowing what it was, then they just kept watching them because, because, because!
Four years in the future he still has not kicked the habit.
That is quite an expansive Bergmann collection.
NOT THE BERGMANNS, NOT THE BERGMANNS they're in my eyes!! AAARGH!!!
Can I go ahead and say what other firearm was produced by Bergmann? or was it already mentioned?
The MG15, and several submachine guns.
Bergmann Simplex?
The 1910/21 was my favorite among the Martial pistols of that Era. It was a joy to shoot, and easy to maintain. (although the extractor could have been done better. )
So which would be the better one, the Bergmann or the Mauser 06/08?
Ive been waiting for this. The 1910/21 is without a doubt my favorite pistol, it looks so perfect.
LoL, Is worse to be right handed and have left dominant eye, the only weapon i can shoot properly is the cripple stock shotgun.
I shoot right-handed and am left eye dominant. For pistols, I put my right cheek to my shoulder which puts my left eye in line with my arm. With most scoped rifles I've used, I can usually (if the eye relief is long enough) get a proper picture through the scope with my left eye after a while.Rifle iron sights are still tricky, though.
13:30 "... been horrendously krippled from birth by a horrible case of left-handynes ... " 😂😂🤣
This gun guy sometimes just kills me
Yup, likewise my wife and my son, both "horribly crippled" 😉
My Dad was left handed too, but joining the British armed forces as a National Serviceman cured that - "All of our equipment is right handed, so *YOU* will be right handed !" 😁
What does the Arabic writing mean on the left side of the gold embelished Bergmann?
anyone else catch on that the pistol in John Wayne's Big Jake featured one of these? One of my favorite western movies, and a dear memory of my father as a child. I never new they where real!
I missed the comment on the original one, but it makes sense. Still funny to see that a gun I thouh was a made up name all these years was quite real
The prop was a Walther P38 made to look like a Bergmann 1896. One of my favorite John Wayne movies also.
Thanks!
I had an opportunity to purchase a 1910 Bergmann Bayard just over a year ago. I passed on it, mainly because I didn't know much about it or the 9mm Bergmann cartridge. If I had seen this series before that opportunity, I think I would have spent the money and bought the gun as a collector's piece. Now I know what an amazing firearm it is and will keep an eye open for a future opportunity.
Hey i would just like to put this out.
Your videos are really interesting to watch, lots of intreresting information, history facts and little details you mention (really appreciate that). Also i really love the way you talk, it is really visible you love to do this and know a ton about this.
So ye... really cool quality content, i have to say. I absolutely fell in love with your channel :)
Keep up the good work Mister !
This Bergmann collection is incredible. Is it missing anything?
Love me a Bergmann!! It's 2021 and I'm happily working my way through all the Bergmann videos on here ... Blessed am I, for Gun Jesus' bounty is plentiful and everlasting ;-)
Probably the coolest of the Bergman bunch. Thanks for this terrific series, Ian
So funny hearing the man trying to pronounce "Hærens Tøjhus". ("Harence Toy-hoos" would be closer.)
That is a really awesome collection.
I love magazine forward the look of these Bergmann's, and browsed for a modern equivalent. Not many to choose from, but the Walther GSP looks promising. It seems to be available in .22 and .32. Has anyone seen anything similar in 9mm?
Hi Ian, I have enjoyed this series of videos, thank you. I am guessing an In Range Mud Test is not on the cards but given your experience in these matters how do you think the 1910/21 would fair. Are there any records of the Bergmann's performance in the field?
Fun fact. The Danish military bought the replacement gun in 1949 (M/49-SIG 210-Neuhausen). Denmark has just decided, to look for a replacement. After 68 years of service, estimated arrival in 2019.
I loved the whole Bergmann Series Ian, great work as always!
"Hærens Tøjhus" Was one of the Danish state arsenals. The literal translation would be "The army clothing house" It got its name because they also made the uniforms for the soldiers there too. And there has been a large display of army equipment there since the 19 century. Its still there as a museum. I place you should check out if you are ever in Denmark
Ian, your knowledge is impressive... Can we get new Bergmann shooting video too?
love the bergmann pistols, especially the older models. kind of look like a cross between a c96 and a p08, the mauser action with the lugers barrel.
They really give off the vibe of the signature gun of the big bad guy from a movie, very cool
Ha ha ... "Hærens Tøjhus" means as much as the Army Mall or Clothing house :cD ... great video, a lot of very interesting facts. Excatly the reason I watch you videos. If you need any help with translating danish or German hit me up. I'm danish living in germany.
You kinda butchered Hærens Tøjhus, and Hærens Rustkammer. But its okay :-). But have you ever visited Tøjhuset in Copenhagen? Though they did change their exhibition, so theirs not many of all their guns on display anymore.
During the German occupation and the Danish domestic production, did Bergmann continue to get royalties? I assume not, but I also assume that if he had known about it he wouldn't have been happy. Was this an open legal question or did Bergmann not know this was going on or didn't care?
Also, Wikipedia says the Bergmann was replaced in Danish service by the Browning Hi-Power. I'm guessing the Danish actually used both it and the SIG 210.
Finally! A Bergmann that has reloading brass available! Too bad I couldn't afford the gun, even if I could find one.
Yet another excellent video! I do not think we can get enough of these videos on what are very rare pistols, the world is full of videos on the more popular, (boring) guns that have been churned out by the million, I can see no gain to anyone in producing yet more duplicate information on these. The Bergmann, on the other hand is very sparsely covered in video or book form, so this short series is most welcome, the only down side of this short series of videos is that it is going to push the already high price of these gems up even further among men of good taste.
You forgot to mention, that 1908 pistols had such a bad reputation of being weak (cracked receivers were VERY common) that forced the adoption of the Campo Giro pistols as a quick replacement....in fact spanish officers prefered to carry the older revolvers over that pistol, once proven its lack of reliability and their tendency to break...
Cool.
Another maker that's interesting is Pieper.
Definitely predates the Beretta barrel tip up design.
Pieper 6.35 is a pocket pistol .
Peeper. Not Piper.
If any of you guys want to see a Danish Bergmann M1910 and the markings on such an example, here's a link: www.arma-dania.dk/public/timeline/_AD_pistoler_view.php?editid1=54
Hærens Tøjhus literally means the armys clothing house and is an military owned supply service. Hærens Rustkammer means the armys armament office and is also a military owned fabricator
Ian, that's not a holster for lefties. That's for dual wielding duelists who carry on both hips, obviously...😂
Who copied ideas from who? Everyone will undoubtedly make comparisons to the C96 Broomhandle but there's another Spanish gun that needs to be thrown in the mix and that is the Astra. I don't know the model or production dates but it could have been influential in design if it was made around the same time. Or vise versa.
What was up with the Burgman 1011 on the John Wayne movie "Big Jake"? Is there no accuracy to that? It's not surprising if that's the case.
Oh come on..No one's gonna mention the only western with a Bergmann in it?"Big Jake" it looks like an 1896 but they call it a model 1911 and say that it's gas operated ..and that it holds 8 rounds..in the magazine in the hand grip...so not a lot of research done.
That embellished one looks like it was presented to someone of Arabian background with the Islamic calligraphy. Cool.
The John Wayne movie "Big Jake" features a Bergman model 1910 in the year 1908. It was an experimental model because the McCandels family were investors.
Clay Rogers,
The only time you see John Wayne lose control of a firearm.
I know its really new gun and its not quite obscure, but can you please review Hammerli Model 280?
Bergmann should offered a wooden shoulder stock instead of that mostly leather one, they had a very solid stock attachment system. With a wooden stock the pistol would be very good at shooting.
Can these Bergman pistols be converted to 9 mm or do they still sell 9 mm largo on today's commercial market, I understand it's a bigger case than traditional Luger 9 mm but is it really that much more powerful per se?
This guy just never stopped.
They say hes still making Bergmann videos to this day.
Never stop never stopping
Why can't we make guns like this anymore? These are mechanically exquisite and beautiful.
The embellished is in Arabic and says:" The power withen" ...? I think 🤔
The Spanish alteration is based on, that the Spanish have smaller hand than the Northern Europeans.
The Danes had bigger hands and changed the guns accordingly.
Watch this b/c of the John Wayne movie big Jake. They said they had a model 1911 though.
I think bergmanns are much nicer than mausers.
16:36 "Did you get the Danish version?"
"No such lug, my friend."
very cool looking gun, john wick should include this gun in his movies. having both hands with this gun would look deadly
no other uploads besides Bergman pistols what is this fucking Iraq?
Ahhhhh, new Bergmans!
The two different stocks might have been made in mind for how different armies would traditionally wear their kit, one might wear their holster on the left and sabre on the right or vice versa depending on traditions, parade doctrine etc
Dexter is the shizzle. I announce it on my Shield with pride . . . and no batter can hit my pitches.
Beat right handed spoons into plowshares!
Does the type of sights change from the first batch of Danish guns to the last (home-produced) one?
Is there any reinforcing in the leather stock/holster? If they are just leather how do they take the recoil without collapsing?
99K views - Ian has just created 99K Bergmann gun experts 😂 😂
Bergmann from the Nile
Does the collector of these handguns ever take them out to the range, or are they strictly safe queens? I understand if the ammo is unavailable, but it would be a damn shame if these beauties went through the rest of their existence unloved.
An apple in a diamond? Isn't that a little bit weird? It would be interesting to know about other strange marks like that one.
was bergmann dead by the time denmark was making them? Did he or his family get royalties from the danish production?
That gold inlay appears to have Arabic script on the one side, perhaps that is Bergman in Arab speak?