How music affects food and eating (PODCAST E51)
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In my religion (Sikhism)
Food for everyone is prepared while prayer songs are played in the background
The food is called Langar, It is considered to be a blessing also everyone can come in Gurudwara(Sikh place of worship) and eat for absolutely FREE
all of us regardless of who we are sit on floor and eat together
That is a beautiful tradition!
honestly that's always struck me as the most cool thing about sikhs by far. indeed it's likely the coolest religous tradition I've seen: not a sikh? fuck it, have some food anyway. poor? fuck it, have some food anyway. you the president of the country? fuck it, have some food anyway.
I read Sikhism, as Skyrim
Sounds awesome. Big communal meals is something I've often thought us in the west should get more into.
I always listen to Super Eurobeat when I have lunch and I only have 15 minutes to swallow an entire ham and swiss club in one go with coconut water.
I read an entire ham
Man of culture.
"I could make some communal rice pounding jokes, but I wont"
The same effect was achieved here, though. I just imagined the joke possibilities and started laughing like I had just heard a joke.
That means you got the joke. :{
Is it a sexual innuendo? Or like, go pound rocks? I'm bad at this kind of thing.
for those of you who didnt get it, 'pounding' is often used as an innuendo for sex
That happens every time you say "I could make a joke about x" like people still think about jokes about x and you just seem less insensitive because you didn't make any jokes about a culture not your own, yet you still get the benefit of people laughing and getting the joke you wouldn't make
Loved the long discussion about gamelan. As a part Indonesian-American, I love when my family's culture gets discussed.
I can’t believe you talked about Gamelan! I signed up for a Javanese Gamelan course in college for the heck of it - and it was amazing. Went from a course to meet my humanities credit to a complete paradigm shift on culture, music.
I was in Dublin this weekend and every pub having a live musician there at pretty much all times just did something for the experience and the mood of the people in the pubs that just playing the same songs without a musician present wouldnt have.
Hey Adam! Love your content as always! Some quick things I want to point out before i hop in the shower with this audio playing in the background:
- Collecting data on people without their informed consent isn't inherently a problem for research ethics boards (REBs) if the nature of the data collection is simply observation in a public setting wherein there's no expectation of privacy and so long as there is no identifying information. E.g., the number of people at the gym as a function of time of day. Perfectly fine to collect data in the aggregate like that.
- Administering an electric shock is not a form of "negative reinforcement" even though colloquially, we might consider it to be a "negative" experience and it feels like we're "adding" something (probably why the intuition is to call it "reinforcement.") Reinforcement, however, means a contingency that increases the probability of a behaviour whereas negative means to take something away. Distinguishing between positive and negative, then, while distinguishing between reinforcement and punishement creates a 2x2 table wherein we have positive reinforcement, negative reinforcement, positive punishment, and negative punishment.
Positive reinforcement matches what I imagine we all intuit (e.g., give a kid some cookies for doing well at school to encourage the continued behaviour). Negative reinforcement means to take away something unpleasant in the environment (e.g., removing an unpleasant eyesore as a reward); positive punishment means applying something to diminish probability of future behaviour (e.g., spanking to discourage temper tantrums) while negative punishment means taking away something desirable to, again, discourage some kind of behavioru (e.g., taking away a video game from a child to discourage X).
I only mention these because (a) I love your content, (b) iirc, you enjoy some amount of pendatry yourself, and (c) I think I'm qualified to speak on the topics I just did.
Look forward to listening to the rest of the pod! :)
I think this theme (the later half of the pod) relates a lot to all the studies showing that gratitude increases the overall lever of happiness and sense of fulfillment a person may experience
I have a degree in music- it’s probably my biggest interest in the world and what I spend most of my time on RUclips learning about. So imagine my surprise when I start watching this channel thinking that it’s very different from my usual fare and then learning that Adam is in fact, also a music major
I was like “I knew this channel wasn’t as different as I thought from all the other stuff I watch!”
Check out his Van Halen video whenever you get the chance. It’s one of my favorite Adam videos!
Noah is right. The Van Halen video is a top tier of Adam.
I had the same experience lol. Classical music major here.
16:35 "What would make this situation even better?"
"Fuc..."
"Music!"
"Yeah, music, of course!"
In highschool I was in drumline. My first two years I was on the bass drum line. We had 4 bass drums all different sizes and our parts were all separated out like you were talking about. This is actually very common for most drumlines.
I think your bit on aesthetic inflation might be the best thing you've ever written for the public.
Just a suggestion, these videos would really benefit from being divided into different segments or chapters or whatever youtube calls it. It would make it a lot easier to find a specific part of a video or a specific topic you discussed
Man, when you get to go to a performance of organ music, composed back in that instrument's heyday, divested from the liturgical context and put on display solely for its compositional power performed on a real organ, it is nearly impossible not to have your metaphorical socks exploded off your metaphorical feet. That instrument in a room built for it is damned near COSMIC in beauty.
My church hosts performances of "mass" compositions separate from actual masses for the public because we have great acoustics, a solid (though technically a bit undersized, though we're working on that apparently) organ, and an amazing full choir. It really is spectacular. I had a Calvanist friend come with me once and he said it was the best music in a church he's ever heard. Lol. We have it once a month ourselves, too, but I do hazard a guess that the "much"ness Adam mentions seems like more of a rejection of the Church rather than of the music because it is spectacular.
Hans Zimmer agrees with you.
while listening to a pod cast is incomparable to a conversation with someone, its nice to listen to someone with thoughts of the same enigmatic levels about what could be considered everyday things.
Interesting point about the top 40 songs and consumption. I grew up in the midwest and worked at a Pac Sun for a cpl years around 2000. When I started we were able to pick the music played at any given time and were supplied with a huge cd binder filled with mp3s, I believe. There was such a wide range of music that I wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise and I loved it. I copied as much as I could but eventually they switched us to a corporate controlled satellite radio with mostly top 40. It definitely took a chunk out of the little enjoyment you're able to squeeze out of a corporate retail job.
Speaking of gross eating sounds, you may find researching misophonia interesting Adam. It is a neurological response to primarily chewing noises. Insufferable for the person with the condition, but far more manageable when you have a diagnosis. The reach of your platform would actually be a great thing for those with this condition if more people become aware. It is why I so appreciate you moving away from the mic to breath 😊
"That kind of subtle suggestion doesn't work on me!"
-type of person that the subtle suggestion does work on
Interesting you note that German and French music subtly influence people to buy German or French wines, and they may not be aware that's happening to them. I am FULLY aware that listening to my Mexican construction coworkers music makes me want sopitos or carne asada.
I love Debussy. I love listening to Debussy while I eat.
I also love eating Debussy.
I'm reminded that I play mostly either '50s Buck Owens or else Throbbing Gristle in the post 12am no drinking hours as it drives away the kids who want to hang about
Hi Adam, I wonder if the recent revival in the popularity on vinyl music is a response to the over abundance of music and therefore it’s decreased meaning or importance that you noted. People buy vinyl because they might want a deeper connection with the music, a way to make it more personal and meaningful. It also forces people to listen to larger pieces of music ie whole albums which I think also makes it more meaningful.
as someone who listens to music of this decade, no music has not lost meaning. but ALSO as someone who is on vinyl tiktok, the vinyl revival is more due to the vintage aesthetic of it
6:06 is the single greatest Adam ragusea quote ever
i can't really agree on your take the reason that women moan during sex. If it would be to attract other males then why would another male ever encourage a woman to moan. I think it might be to actually keep other women or men away from that. To inform other people that they have found someone and ''you better stay away from my girl/man because our sex is soooo good''. Also a reason why a woman takes longer and more stimulation to reach climax might be to make women more critical in choosing a mate. "if a man is caring enough to learn how to make a woman cum, then he is caring enough to stay with me and take care of our children.''
In Cambridge UK we have the full spread, the 80 yr old guy selling cooked breakfast who clearly isn't tracking anything, to SmokeWorks that play loud Eruption by Van Halen as background music and have tiny year supply containers of that orange ghost chilli sauce if you want to walk home looking intoxicated.
Always a highlight of my day to cook and listen to Adam :)
For a counterpoint: At my own Southern-Minnesota Chipotle, the vast majority of my visits the past 2 years have pointed to a Chipotle burrito taking longer to prepare than it takes to listen to an Adam Ragusea podcast.
There's a carpeted pub here, on reflection it seems a bit of a crazy choice, although if you like the floor to be carpeted then it has a monopoly.
Ever considered doing a video about Mike Menzter? Super smart bodybuilder from the 70’s who explored the science of bodybuilding. Right up your alley.
Back on form :) Not about just a specific dish, pacing not too slow, not too downbeat or negative about yourself.
Pedantic comment: change ringing and handbell choirs aren’t the same thing. Change ringing involves large church bells (by pulling ropes) that ring different permutations of pitches that don’t really make a distinguishable melody. Cool math involved and a nice plot point in a Dorothy Sayers novel.
Hand bell choirs is what you described. I hope you don’t mind my pedantic comment and perhaps find it interesting.
Hey, I'm Angel! Thanks for a music podcast. Fellow music major here.
I wrote a theoretical study in college involving exercise and music measuring heart rate BPM and rating of perceived exertion (RPE). All exercises being the same (probably cycle ergometer for ease), variables being music BPM, music genre, user-preferred music vs scientist-selected, etc.
Would have been interesting to perform, but alas I was just undergrad, and I don't think anyone needs the results desperately enough to fund it.
I'm amazed that you ended the pod on how boredom leads to excess of food and music, and didn't even make the connection between your triad of excess and the masquerade balls of the Victorian era :)
10:00 a similar very specific instance of music being broken up in the US is in marching band bass drum music. You typically have 5 people all with bass drums of varying size and you have a percussive melody that is split up between the 5 drums and each person has to play their part perfectly in time to get the music to sound correct. It’s an incredibly hard thing to do and of the coolest niche areas of music I think. A good example is this: ruclips.net/video/ZDvDy4nGU24/видео.html
I love how based Adam was at the end when talking about the "ham sandwich dilemma"
Music in grocery store affects me. When music is good, I stay longer and buy less. I'm like in a library and look for every products and read a lot of them, having a good time thinking about food and the world.
In the korean remake of Fated to Love You they do make the rice-pounding joke, in fact they show rice pounding instead of other activities that can't be shown on day tv screens.
As a person who was trained to create media events, one of the main things required beyond the ### was the indication that food would be available
enjoyed your pod-caste.... it made me think about present day access to food. Question: at state fairs etc. are food competitions, like cherry pie eating contests or hotdog contests notoriously American, or is it an older custom and why?
Wow.... Gamelan! I am even more impressed with Adam!
Love the Grey Poupon mustard reference! I'm just the right age to both joke about that ad and still associate the product as "classy".
Two of my all-time favorite commercials were specific Grey Poupon commercials. One had the back and forth being the other aghast at the other's choice of meal to put the mustard on (a wiener, his word, and baloney sandwich). Each defend their choice by fancifying the particular meal saying it's a frankfurter and the other a bologna (pronounced fancy) and then one pulls away, saying under his breath, "baloney!" The other quips, equally under his breath, "wiener!" The second was the typical, "do you have any Grey Poupon?" with the other saying the typical response, "but, of course." Except he doesn't hand the jar out the window to the other man, he just waves his driver on to which the first looks shocked, and I may be misremembering, his monocle falls off.
Is Psylodump, Snild Dolkow, Chipzel, and The Algorithm spicy?
I find myself listening to good ole classic rock or punk rock whenever I cook. I gotta move around quickly while I work, so I need something to keep me amped up and hustling around. For more chill hangouts, I might play some country or reggae to entertain guests.
I also find classic rock especially good for cooking.
Let's all take him to 3M subs after all of his hardwork ❤️❤️❤️❤️.
48:00 you completely missed the opportunity to play a tune there Adam..
And make your own research if the tune will help with the sales.. :D
I play the cello and have been learning to cook, and even I take food and music for granted 95% of the time, despite know first hand the effort that goes into these things. If not even I can appreciate these things, how can normal people with far less free time be expected to?
Putting carpets on the walls or under the tables is a good way to get the sound deadening effect without a difficult to clean floor.
I went to a local brewpub looking forward to ordering a delicious calzone. When I got there, they were playing some reggae, which for some reason immediately made a calzone seem unappetizing... The burger was good, though. lol
Even the idea of Reggie and a calzone sounds unappetizing.
It's like cognitive-gastrointestinal dissonance.
Been ditching politics content for Adam in my day to day ingesting of yt. I love thé nuanced thoughts of Adam when considering complex questions invoking race, culture, and socioeconomics.
17:15 When he says "pluck the koto" while motioning for a shamisen-like position xD
It's the humidity, ruins everything. There is no word for 'crisp' on Ferenginar.
We used those push vacuums at the movie theater I worked at. This was many years ago, but I still saw them last time I saw a movie in a theater.
Yeah, carpet + slurpee + popcorn == no fun.
I would buy the Adam Regusea knife if I didn't already have three perfectly good chef knives already.
The super heavily smoked german bottled beer with the unpronounceable name is great.
Hey Adam, Where do you get that backdrop ? gree nscreen or wallpaper ? Love to know ?
I find music to be very enriching. It definitely doesn't feel like I've lost touch with it.
Researcher: "What's with the naked aulos player?" Guy on Greek urn: "Dat ass!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 You're killin' me Ragusea, I love it!
Music is an interesting subject.. I'm part of the 2-5% of the population that doesn't really 'get' music. I never listen to it and don't notice it in movies unless I'm looking for it.
All I care about when eating out is that it's quiet enough that my brain can ignore it, it makes exactly the same difference to me as people talking at other tables or the sound of traffic.
I personally find songs can be distracting in social situations. While it could be a good conversation starter on a date or something, catchy songs get distracting for me if I'm trying to have a conversation. I don't know how it affects my consumption in a bar or something but it certainly can hinder conversation for me.
THE MOSTLY PERFECTION JOB..... ❤❤❤❤❤
I like the sound effect in the last seconds of the video... 😂
I appreciate you, thank you for making content.
Hahaha the first example that came to my mind for a comparably difficult western musical genre was the boom whackers. I suppose the bells are more of a dignified example
My two passions!!! Heck yes let's go
Why does Indeed only ever seem to advertise to employers and not people looking for jobs? How do they get people to send them their resumes?
Dunno how much you might dig the idea of change ringing but Connie Willis incorporated that into her Hugo award winning Doomsday Book. She's a fun time and available for interviews the last time I saw her if you have a notion
I wished that munching would keep people from talking at the same time. Nice theory :-)
This was a really good episode
I HATE loud music in a restaurant. I tend to spend FAR less at restaurants with music. The louder it is, the less I spend so I can leave sooner. I would rather have chatter spillover than top 40 garbage piped into my ears loudly to the point I have to yell across the table to be heard.
It's terrible for people with hearing disabilities.
Glenn Gould, the Goldberg Variations, goes well with fava beans and a nice Chianti
Hey Adam what are these low carb tortillas that are out now? I find I really prefer them to other storebought. Are they just really high hydration?
If someone offered me dinner as part of a study, I would ask point-blank if they were studying something about the food, and if they might be feeding me something while lying about its ingredients. And even for a study of ambiance where they would absolutely do no such thing, they could glomarize, and then I would not participate in the study.
So, “dinner on me” might be an easier ask in general, but knowing that people sometimes lie during psychological studies I would be *super suspicious* of it.
85DB music would put off a lot of customers
Music playing whilst I'm trying to eat is a big no for me. I've never found it conducive to a pleasant experience. I like music more than food, I think, and tend to concentrate on the music, and end up just shovelling food in, without actually tasting it, so I can enjoy the music. Also, you can go to places where the music playing is dreadful and/or deafeningly loud. I'd rather eat in silence, or chat with people on the table with me.
42:12 - try "Greg's"
Great episode!
To add on to the bias in studies, you can get a different perspective on world events on Wikipedia by changing what language the article is in. Starts getting real fun when you delve into Soviet and post Soviet era controversies.
I would say marching bass drum splits are another western analog to gamelan!
this was great! thank you for sharing :)
If you want to diversify more and more into music, I would be perfectly fine with it. Really enjoyed your Metallica video for example.
Talkin about movies like they're real, without skipping a beat, is a good way to see if people are paying attention. But mentioning it is from a movie keeps the comments less-annoying, lol
Listening to death metal while eating cheerios is the pinnacle of human experience.
Nearby jet engine would certainly distract from paying attention to the taste of food.
Awesime videos as always!
Hey, what's with the hate on the aulos? :(
Adam should try making feijoada
Music can also affect food coming out the other end - every time I hear Dave Matthews, I feel like I need to take a massive dump.
Same thing when I hear Shostakovich's Leningrad symphony or Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture.💥
I would argue with your conception that we don't appreciate music enough (at least compared with a pre-modern peasant). In those times music primarily use wasn't to dealight, but also to commemorate, worship or praying. Music as entreteinment (for the general public) started when we could reproduce it. Before it was highly linked to the practices and meanings where it was performe
10:00 gotta disagree, marching band/drum corps bass drum splits are also directly comparable to gamelon music, at least in the senses that you were talking about
Hell Yeah, less totally unchallenging soft/smooth/bland/liftMusic rock/jazz.
Carpeting isn't the only form of acoustics control in restaurants! Restaurants, particularly new ones with contemporary decor, really need to be much better about baffling! Spread the baffling word people.
I always love when I think you’re rambling for 15 minutes in these podcasts but it always ties back to what you where talking about i be thinking you’re nuts man 😂😂
It's like that old show Connections
Don't go to Texas Roadhouse if you want to eat! I guess it'd be good for losing weight. Their music is SO LOUD! Once I used a db checker there and it was 120 db!
Hi Adam!
Weird Al was fully aware of this effect
*Music make you lose control! Music make you lose control!* "LET'S EAT!!!
i always thought adam looked like he could be a weeb. but playing in a relatively obscure asian music style in college is pretty weeb. like when you find out the preppy looking guy played lacrosse in college
I love Gamelan music.
Piquancy study sounds like a prime candidate for P-hacking ;)