It’s so cruel but I’m not surprised that men controlled women like this. It’s like the classic abuse tactic of isolating the woman from her family and friends so she doesn’t have support or strength. These poor poor women.
It was rare for women inside the imperial harem to meet her family members inside and outside the Forbidden City during Late Imperial China. In a few recent Qing dynasty dramas show consorts to visit their family home. When you talk about Imperial Noble Consort Huixian, it reminds me how Baoyu's older blood sister Jia Yuanchun come to meet her family. Somehow Yuanchun get the special permission from the emperor allowing her to visit her family home after recently promoted to Noble Consort and based on her father's contributions at court. Neither her parents came to age yet nor Yuanchun had given birth to a son. Her family built a huge garden Daguanyuan dedicating to her honor. Upon her first visit home for a while, Yuanchun was treated more than of a second ranking woman below the empress. From that chapter was the most happy and sad time for Yuanchun as an imperial consort. Since the the plot of Dream of the Red Chamber reflects the events taking place during prosperous eras of Kangxi and Qianlong, did any of Kangxi or Yongzheng Emperor's women got the permission to leave the palace and visit their family home from any special occasion?
What an eye opener, this video is. I spent many years believing historical fiction. Thank you not just for this video but also for all the videos that you have made for this channel.
I feel especially bad for the imperial women who were neither highly ranked, favored, or had any surviving children at all since it looks like they were completely alone without any of their loved ones present and eventually died in isolation.
Thanks as always Bing but I feel rather sad for these women they have all the comforts and luxury but it seems like a gilded cage. Was it like that in the other dynasties? What was the main reason why they didn’t allow them to meet with their family?
Can you go into more detail about why they wore their hair the way they did? What is the tail and meaning? How long was this process and how did they wrap the hair in shapes. Thank you!
As cruel as it sounds, the women would have been very ambitious in bringing more honour for their family. The emperors probably cut off contact to avoid outside influence and meddling. Very cruel but such was the way in royal courts. Thousands of bees seeking to influence the flower of power.
I have a question, and I was wondering if you could make a video explaining this. In the TV dramas that are based in the Qing court, the imperial women refer to themselves as "pindzie" or "chendzie" or sometimes as "bangon." From the context I have inferred that these are all words for "I/me." The Empress Dowager uses a different word "ay-jia." Could you explain when and why it would be appropriate to use the different words and what each word means exactly?
Pinqie= Your imperial concubine- Used by the imperial women when they are talking to the emperor. Chenqie= Your servant/derogatory self-calling- When they are talking to the imperial woman who ranks higher than them. Bengong= I (referring to the palace)- It is used by the imperial woman who ranks from Pin (Concubine-5th rank) up to the Huang Hou (Empress-1st rank) when they are speaking with the imperial women who ranks lower than them. The word gong from the Begong means palace in Mandarin on which, the imperial woman refers to theirselves as they have their own palace which they resides in the main hall, that is why they refer themselves as the palace itself. Aijia= I- used by the late emperor’s women, especially the Empress Dowager, when they are talking to someone lower than them (in terms of seniority, the {Grand}Empress Dowager was the most senior of the palace/empire).
in empresses in the palace, hua fei meet with his brother nian geng yao and had lunch or dinner with him and yongzheng emperor. also in story of yanxi palace, empress fucha often meets with this brother fucha fuheng. sad to know that this was impossible to happen during that time :((
🧐That I call: Living in a golden Cage! Is sad that all the another Emperor after Qianlong follow his rules fot visit the imperial Woman to take care about them. But get this Woman Letter from thier Family´s ? Thank you bing.
Hi Bing. This question may sound a little crazy but I wondered why the empress's family didn't get any special title. Basically I mean the emperor's mother was called empress dowager, but the empress's mother was still called Old Madam (insert clan name). Did the empress's mother ever get any special posthumous title or anything? I feel like I'm thinking too hard on this but it's just out of curiosity.
Living in forbidden city seems like a prison time
It’s so cruel but I’m not surprised that men controlled women like this. It’s like the classic abuse tactic of isolating the woman from her family and friends so she doesn’t have support or strength. These poor poor women.
It was rare for women inside the imperial harem to meet her family members inside and outside the Forbidden City during Late Imperial China. In a few recent Qing dynasty dramas show consorts to visit their family home. When you talk about Imperial Noble Consort Huixian, it reminds me how Baoyu's older blood sister Jia Yuanchun come to meet her family. Somehow Yuanchun get the special permission from the emperor allowing her to visit her family home after recently promoted to Noble Consort and based on her father's contributions at court. Neither her parents came to age yet nor Yuanchun had given birth to a son. Her family built a huge garden Daguanyuan dedicating to her honor. Upon her first visit home for a while, Yuanchun was treated more than of a second ranking woman below the empress. From that chapter was the most happy and sad time for Yuanchun as an imperial consort. Since the the plot of Dream of the Red Chamber reflects the events taking place during prosperous eras of Kangxi and Qianlong, did any of Kangxi or Yongzheng Emperor's women got the permission to leave the palace and visit their family home from any special occasion?
What an eye opener, this video is. I spent many years believing historical fiction. Thank you not just for this video but also for all the videos that you have made for this channel.
I feel especially bad for the imperial women who were neither highly ranked, favored, or had any surviving children at all since it looks like they were completely alone without any of their loved ones present and eventually died in isolation.
The forbidden city was truly an appropriate name 😢
That means Qianlong loved Huixian so much. İ'm so sad about, in TV dramas they make Huixian as villian
I think it was more he loved what her father did for him so he manipulated him via his daughter
Once again dramas lie to us.... Wow, no wonder why imperial women were sometimes so depressed, why they were not allowed to meet with their parents?
Of course, Cixi got what she wanted. Who was going to say "no" to her?
Thanks as always Bing but I feel rather sad for these women they have all the comforts and luxury but it seems like a gilded cage. Was it like that in the other dynasties? What was the main reason why they didn’t allow them to meet with their family?
Family will bring news of the outside world into the palace. Also known as pot stirring. The emperor wanted his harem to live in ignorant bliss.
Hi, thank you for your great videos. I would like to know, if imperial women were allowed to write letters to their family members?
Can you go into more detail about why they wore their hair the way they did? What is the tail and meaning? How long was this process and how did they wrap the hair in shapes. Thank you!
As cruel as it sounds, the women would have been very ambitious in bringing more honour for their family. The emperors probably cut off contact to avoid outside influence and meddling.
Very cruel but such was the way in royal courts. Thousands of bees seeking to influence the flower of power.
I have a question, and I was wondering if you could make a video explaining this. In the TV dramas that are based in the Qing court, the imperial women refer to themselves as "pindzie" or "chendzie" or sometimes as "bangon." From the context I have inferred that these are all words for "I/me." The Empress Dowager uses a different word "ay-jia." Could you explain when and why it would be appropriate to use the different words and what each word means exactly?
Pinqie= Your imperial concubine- Used by the imperial women when they are talking to the emperor.
Chenqie= Your servant/derogatory self-calling- When they are talking to the imperial woman who ranks higher than them.
Bengong= I (referring to the palace)- It is used by the imperial woman who ranks from Pin (Concubine-5th rank) up to the Huang Hou (Empress-1st rank) when they are speaking with the imperial women who ranks lower than them. The word gong from the Begong means palace in Mandarin on which, the imperial woman refers to theirselves as they have their own palace which they resides in the main hall, that is why they refer themselves as the palace itself.
Aijia= I- used by the late emperor’s women, especially the Empress Dowager, when they are talking to someone lower than them (in terms of seniority, the {Grand}Empress Dowager was the most senior of the palace/empire).
@@UlaNaraRuyi07 Wow! That was a clear explanation. I just realized that I have heard each of these greetings in one clip or another.
@@UlaNaraRuyi07 Wonderful explanation.
@Raunak ohhh I’ve forgot to include that hihi but thanks!
Could write these terms in mandarin ?
I honestly need a daily video from this channel ❤
One every two daya is not enough, are so Amazing
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in empresses in the palace, hua fei meet with his brother nian geng yao and had lunch or dinner with him and yongzheng emperor.
also in story of yanxi palace, empress fucha often meets with this brother fucha fuheng.
sad to know that this was impossible to happen during that time :((
Could you make a video about Heshen ?
🧐That I call: Living in a golden Cage!
Is sad that all the another Emperor after Qianlong follow his rules fot visit the imperial Woman to take care about them.
But get this Woman Letter from thier Family´s ?
Thank you bing.
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Hi Bing. This question may sound a little crazy but I wondered why the empress's family didn't get any special title. Basically I mean the emperor's mother was called empress dowager, but the empress's mother was still called Old Madam (insert clan name). Did the empress's mother ever get any special posthumous title or anything? I feel like I'm thinking too hard on this but it's just out of curiosity.