Can Japanese Elders Really Write Kanji?

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  • @ThatJapaneseManYuta
    @ThatJapaneseManYuta  2 года назад +65

    Learn Japanese with Yuta: bit.ly/3iuYtkn

    • @MattMorgasmo
      @MattMorgasmo 2 года назад

      Dear Yuta, thank you so much for your wonderful videos and for introducing people from around the world into Japanese culture.
      I have one request, though: In videos like this one (where people write Kanji), could you insert the correct Kanji not only before they write them down but also while they write them down? I think it would be interesting and easier to see how close they are.
      All the best to you from Germany! ❤️

    • @name3583
      @name3583 2 года назад

      Yuta, can you invite Mr. Saeed Sato サイード佐藤 and interview him?

    • @soundpointone9364
      @soundpointone9364 2 года назад

      Great video as always Yuta Sensei
      BTW i want to request a review on the type of japanese used in ジョゼと虎と魚たち (Josee, the tiger and the fish)
      Also i love your email lessons too Thank you

    • @Asher-Tzvi
      @Asher-Tzvi 2 года назад

      Hey Yuta, I was wondering if you could make a video about very old Japanese? Like a video showing to what extent modern Japanese people can understand Japanese Heian period writing from over a thousand years ago, or the Man’yoshu, or writing from the Asuka Period, as they were originally written.

  • @Verbalaesthet
    @Verbalaesthet 2 года назад +1185

    When I look at them I think "Ah, so easy" and then when I want to write them from memory Im like "How was that part again...."

    • @ultraali453
      @ultraali453 2 года назад +44

      Yes, they're common words, almost all of them. But I still can't remember, similar to you

    • @w.w.sakbeh571
      @w.w.sakbeh571 2 года назад +12

      And I’m like, there is another lifetime, right? 🤣 (JLPT N4 studying for N3)

    • @burunokosuta
      @burunokosuta 2 года назад +7

      Yeah, I can relate. I know about 200 kanji but writing a few of them from zero sometimes is difficult.

    • @user-gl3ck3ix8f
      @user-gl3ck3ix8f 2 года назад +9

      Memorizing the radicals will help a lot

    • @thetafritz9868
      @thetafritz9868 2 года назад +10

      あああ、かんじはむずかじい。

  • @biohazard737
    @biohazard737 2 года назад +1153

    We need a "are you smarter than a 5th grader" Kanji edition!!

    • @LoveMyUnusual
      @LoveMyUnusual 2 года назад +12

      Lol looks like we just got one. 😄

    • @biohazard737
      @biohazard737 2 года назад +15

      @@LoveMyUnusual haha, we need a TV show!

    • @hijay8501
      @hijay8501 2 года назад

      exactly!

    • @jurgendieter5238
      @jurgendieter5238 2 года назад +8

      elementary school goes till 6th grade in Japan. Teaching 1026 Kanji

    • @warmpianist
      @warmpianist 2 года назад +6

      There's a Japanese game show called ネプリーグ aired since 2005. One part is they read/write hard as hell Kanji, even the ones they aren't normally used or they're mostly written in simple Hiragana.

  • @egemen2108
    @egemen2108 2 года назад +881

    It's so impressive how fast some of them can write such complex kanji!

    • @JHuatuco
      @JHuatuco 2 года назад +27

      The speed is not impressive

    • @probano
      @probano 2 года назад +199

      @@JHuatuco Okay Simon Cowell

    • @user-bs4qu7tb2g
      @user-bs4qu7tb2g 2 года назад +75

      handwriting really is not an issue, if you just keep writing. Memorizing the radicals and how they work together in a kanji is the challenge, but it's doable, too. Onyomi are actually the worst part, it's so random and there can be so many for just one single character

    • @egemen2108
      @egemen2108 2 года назад +6

      @@user-bs4qu7tb2g thank you! good to know!

    • @w.w.sakbeh571
      @w.w.sakbeh571 2 года назад +26

      They’re 5th and 6th grade kanji, so they’re not complex for native Japanese speakers. These are the basics; it’s just that these particular elders have not maintained their written practice of kanji, as is also true of many (perhaps most) Japanese people.

  • @van4122
    @van4122 2 года назад +493

    reading and writing is a complete different thing altogether lol, i can read quite a few kanjis but if you asked me to write them...no chance xD

    • @22chyke
      @22chyke 2 года назад +1

      Mmmmm write Japan with kanji

    • @jurjitsingh3728
      @jurjitsingh3728 2 года назад +18

      Keyboard cause all of this😂

    • @cahallo5964
      @cahallo5964 2 года назад

      @@22chyke I can't

    • @jaushabakkas8127
      @jaushabakkas8127 2 года назад +6

      well if I use keyboard, I might have slightly better chances

    • @22chyke
      @22chyke 2 года назад

      @@cahallo5964 oh

  • @Mashiris
    @Mashiris 2 года назад +238

    I like this type of videos because It's encouraging for people learning japanese that not even japanese elders can write every single kanji.

    • @applefoodie
      @applefoodie Месяц назад +1

      To be fair, elders are probably worse at this than high school or college kids, since they're constantly writing and taking notes. Not to mention they just learned these characters much more recently.

  • @faufaufau
    @faufaufau 2 года назад +297

    Japanese and Chinese writing is so difficult to master because everyone progresses their writing, reading, and speaking skill at a different pace while learning due to their kanji system. Back when I was learning French, the moment I can write a word, I can read it and say it. That doesn't happen while I'm learning Japanese, which makes learning new vocabularies substantially more difficult. :/

    • @theTHwa3tes11
      @theTHwa3tes11 2 года назад +38

      The advantage is that you can understand the context of a sentence by just a glance.

    • @johnvincent1595
      @johnvincent1595 2 года назад +6

      @@theTHwa3tes11 I absolutely agree especially if you're taking JLPT.

    • @aman-hl9re
      @aman-hl9re 2 года назад +4

      Hmm the French do have silent letters tho

    • @justkev1044
      @justkev1044 2 года назад +12

      cuz yall use the same writing system with some minor differences in vowels, if youre born chinese youd say kanji is ez and german is hard

    • @faufaufau
      @faufaufau 2 года назад +21

      @@aman-hl9re the silent letters are pretty easy to guess once you understand the pattern. English pronunciation is much more difficult bcs it has no rules what so ever.

  • @AceFuzzLord
    @AceFuzzLord 2 года назад +484

    Doesn't matter how old/young you are or how smart/dumb you are, Japanese kanji is difficult. Period.

    • @bm1259
      @bm1259 2 года назад +6

      it isnt

    • @Quint_69
      @Quint_69 2 года назад +43

      @@bm1259 It is.

    • @bm1259
      @bm1259 2 года назад +3

      @@Quint_69 they arent people just tend to learn them in very stupid ways like RTK or whatever

    • @Quint_69
      @Quint_69 2 года назад +40

      @@bm1259 Bro it's 2000 characters. They aren't easy to remember.

    • @bm1259
      @bm1259 2 года назад +4

      @@Quint_69 they arent hard to remember if youre always reading stuff since the 2000 kanji you need to know are the most common ones, the literal bare minimum

  • @Barnaclebeard
    @Barnaclebeard 2 года назад +25

    I can't believe you tried to correct that woman's "jun". She was clearly a wizard.

  • @aerox21091991
    @aerox21091991 2 года назад +19

    Guy at 3:20 actually didn't get it correct. He's missing the diagonal stroke through the right side of the character.

    • @kageyamareijikun
      @kageyamareijikun 2 года назад +3

      I was looking for this comment. I thought I was the only one who noticed that

    • @tachimegun
      @tachimegun 2 года назад

      also his 糸 radical is weird/wrong? it's supposed to be 6 strokes (his is 7)

  • @EvgenyUskov
    @EvgenyUskov 2 года назад +62

    i am one of the few foreigners (i.e. non-native kanji learners and non-native Japanese language speakers) who have passed the first level of the Kanji Kentei - i usually take it every time (three times a year) at one place in a prefecture where i live, and most other Kanken level 1 takers are as this video puts it "elders": for many of them studying kanji is a valuable hobby after retirement, and a sort of a mental gymnastics, a way to maintain intellectual capacities at old age

    • @LittleWhole
      @LittleWhole Год назад +1

      Wait a minute! I recognize you! You're the guy whose name is on the Wikipedia image for a Kanken Level 1 pass certificate! ウスコフ エフゲニ!

    • @EvgenyUskov
      @EvgenyUskov Год назад +1

      @@LittleWhole it's a small world. cheers

    • @Mitsoukee
      @Mitsoukee 9 месяцев назад +1

      After I’m done with N1 (I just got N2), Kanji Kentei will be my next challenge.

    • @darkmattergamesofficial
      @darkmattergamesofficial 3 месяца назад

      That’s awesome and inspiring. I really like kanji too. What do you do to study?

    • @EvgenyUskov
      @EvgenyUskov 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@darkmattergamesofficial "What do you do to study?" - i do very simple things: open a dictionary, and study material there... well, being a on a sort of hiatus i currently don't really study that much (at all for that matter). on a general note i would say that most things are done BY THINKING: i'd advise to read an autobiography of Richard Feynman called "Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!" where he described how he literally fixed radios by "thinking"

  • @aguacateadosmilpesitos
    @aguacateadosmilpesitos 2 года назад +2

    Aw, I would've loved if this video was longer. I really enjoy these kind of videos

  • @li_tsz_fung
    @li_tsz_fung 2 года назад +45

    Many of them are actually good at kanji.
    They write 探険 in stead of 検,which is similar to 探險 in Chinese. I suspect it's just shinjitai (kanji simplification) switched character.
    Just like 栄養 is 營養 in chinese. But Japanese do have 営

    • @YA-ix5je
      @YA-ix5je 2 года назад +7

      探検 and 探険 should both be valid, 探険 implies the mission is potentially dangerous while 探検 is exploratory and informational
      辞書によると
      探検=探り調べる
      探険=険しい所を探る
      one thing to note is that 冒険 can only be 冒険 as it always implies risks so 冒検 is not correct

    • @amanita8397
      @amanita8397 2 года назад +1

      营养 is the simplified version of 營養

    • @scoshi6592
      @scoshi6592 2 года назад

      榮養

    • @MaxSum
      @MaxSum 2 года назад +2

      For me, 検 is checking, as in 検査. 険 is danger, as in 危険.
      So 探険 seems to make more sense.

    • @ramennnoodle
      @ramennnoodle 2 года назад +2

      探險 would be 探险 in simplified Chinese

  • @bassoonchu
    @bassoonchu 2 года назад +7

    I love practicing writing kanji!! It’s probably my favorite thing about studying Japanese. My diary looks so beautiful with lines of kanji streaming down the pages in vertical lines. But I also love calligraphy in my native language (English), so that is likely why I also love writing kanji.

  • @usageunit
    @usageunit 2 года назад +37

    I always thought it'd be neat if he did a video like this with reading or writing unsimplified kyuujitai characters. 圓, 體, etc.

    • @justkev1044
      @justkev1044 2 года назад +6

      Kyujitai is just Japanese traditional characters and shinjitai is just Japanese simplified characters, like how mainland China uses simplified and taiwan and hk still uses traditional

    • @99mrslang
      @99mrslang 2 года назад +1

      I agree. I'm also curious to see how many kyujitai are legible to Japanese people

  • @gattaca5911
    @gattaca5911 2 года назад +41

    when japanese students test my english knowledge I always test their japanese and ask them to write "kanpeki" ......and "peki" is always incorrect.

    • @doggypi1532
      @doggypi1532 2 года назад +1

      I just typed it... And for a bit I thought (peki)璧 was the kanji for (kabe)壁 lol~ these differences are a pain~

    • @justkev1044
      @justkev1044 2 года назад

      @@doggypi1532 so you see under the non-radical part is a gem/jade radical for peki and soil/earth for kabe. that gem radical associates peki(artifact) with jade and kabe(wall) with earth which makes sense

  • @oldladyhater
    @oldladyhater 2 года назад +54

    wonderful video, but it would be cool if we could see the typed kanji next to what everyone wrote on the whiteboard, so we could compare the two :)

    • @randominternetguy3537
      @randominternetguy3537 2 года назад +3

      Just rewind a couple seconds. Also, handwritten is usually different than typed anyway bc we suck

    • @oldladyhater
      @oldladyhater 2 года назад +2

      yeah but i think even that in itself is interesting. how handwritten japanese differs from what the kanji "should" look like. i dunno just a thought

    • @randominternetguy3537
      @randominternetguy3537 2 года назад +5

      @@oldladyhater well hand written is less robotic, less rigid.

    • @Pashmimi
      @Pashmimi 2 года назад +2

      @@oldladyhater it's the other way around. handwritten is the most correct form because they had to change the shape of some handwritten kanji in order for them to be the same size on the computer screen. some fonts actually merge certain kanji. for example 冷 has 2 forms that switch depending on the font.

    • @oldladyhater
      @oldladyhater 2 года назад

      @@Pashmimi REALLY? That's actually crazy interesting. I'd love to see a video about it, any recommendations?

  • @ayeyeb4083
    @ayeyeb4083 2 года назад +24

    Well done to all the おじさん for playing along in the first place!
    What they are saying in the end is the truth, being able to read Kanji often doesn´t translate into being able to write it down, and like all things, the less you practice the more you forget.
    For us foreigners, being able to write kanji, actually helps memorize words and helps reading, so they are quite important. Of course you wouldn´t start with these complicated ones like in this video.

  • @ultraali453
    @ultraali453 2 года назад +14

    Watching this video is comforting to me because after learning Japanese for a few years, I can read many words but still not write them from memory.. now I know that I'm not alone
    If I can get to native level on anything, that is what I would call language fluency

  • @moaangol5915
    @moaangol5915 2 года назад +5

    At 4:10 探険 is actually correct too. 探検=探索、検索。探険=危ない、未知の場を探索。Even the Chinese version is “探险”。It means to explore the unknown as well as dangerous area.

  • @pig1800
    @pig1800 2 года назад +134

    the word "探検" says a lot of history...
    actually the word elder wrote "探険" is "correct" old way to write the kanji, word "探険" means "exploration", and character "探" means "to explore", and character ”険" means "danger", on the other, character "検" means "to check", it's nonsense to combine the meaning "to explore" and "to check".
    It's all because GHQ fucked up Japanese kanji, twisted a lot of words to "reduce the character to learn" to eventually "eradicate the using of kanji", which is luckily aborted due to the takedown of McArthur, who was the leader of GHQ.
    Actually the elder remembered "the old correct way" to write the word "探険", touched me a lot.

    • @ysts3452
      @ysts3452 2 года назад +21

      the shinjitai -- "new" kanji became official with the Joyo kanji list in about 1980. what people(students) learned at school before that should be the original kanji.
      after that, correct one become "incorrect"

    • @user-kn1fb8el5p
      @user-kn1fb8el5p 2 года назад +15

      哈哈哈,中国也是这样。很多人批评简体汉字曲解了很多字的原本意义

    • @tianwang
      @tianwang 2 года назад +23

      Ah interesting, I was just wondering why did he say that man was wrong, as it’s also 探险 in Chinese. 检 is wrong.

    • @TakittyLove
      @TakittyLove 2 года назад +5

      @@user-kn1fb8el5p wow !! But I think Chinese writing is more difficult even. Japanese one is kind of easier because of Hiragana and Katakana letters. 中国&日本 cultures are so beautiful. Greetings from Peru :)

    • @SiodogRehane
      @SiodogRehane 2 года назад +4

      @@TakittyLove Not really depends on how you look at it. If you are a masochist like me and learn both simplified and traditional chinese then yes it gets crazy

  • @monteiro5306
    @monteiro5306 2 года назад +1

    As always an amazing video. Greetings from Brazil.

  • @hiyorikuyamarurin3141
    @hiyorikuyamarurin3141 2 года назад +4

    Your email lessons are going great! I've subscribed around two weeks ago.

  • @nayem_saki
    @nayem_saki 2 года назад +5

    This was fun to watch

  • @wigglenips8825
    @wigglenips8825 2 года назад +13

    This makes me feel better for not being able to remember how to write basic kanji, despite being able to read quite a bit lol

  • @abarairukia
    @abarairukia 2 года назад +3

    Déjà vu! Then i realized this was briefly posted yesterday and as soon as I clicked it was gone!

  • @robertschrader
    @robertschrader 2 года назад +17

    Yuta: With New Zealand's announcement that they will be reopening to tourism on May 2, Japan willl become the last major country in the world still closed to tourists, besides China. I would love if you could address this (and perhaps the broader issue of 令和鎖国) in a video.

  • @NicoSleepyLeen
    @NicoSleepyLeen 2 года назад +3

    "It's the flow of time"
    That one really hit me

  • @AdamOwenBrowning
    @AdamOwenBrowning 2 года назад +13

    ....but i enjoy learning kanji more than grammar :'c
    i know it's so inefficient but there's so much beauty, intricacy and history to Chinese characters.

    • @brendanmurphy8727
      @brendanmurphy8727 2 года назад +2

      Me too. Those ancient Chinese scribes had a sense of humour.

    • @cowholy3031
      @cowholy3031 2 года назад

      Who says Chinese is not efficient, the same text, Chinese is often much shorter than English. This is your problem, not Chinese.

    • @U20E0
      @U20E0 2 года назад +3

      @@cowholy3031 inefficient to learn in that order, he meant

    • @user-bz3tf7sl8y
      @user-bz3tf7sl8y 2 года назад

      @@U20E0 if you learn Chinese you will find out how difficult Japanese had made kanji to learn and use

    • @U20E0
      @U20E0 2 года назад

      @@user-bz3tf7sl8y and?

  • @flewberi
    @flewberi Год назад +5

    the nuances in japanese language are just so interesting. japanese works like no other language and its amazing. the difficulty of writing the correct kanji is so extrordinary while compared to ortography in other languages. i really wish to learn japanese so much that i can actually understand all these nuances

  • @blobba5442
    @blobba5442 2 года назад +1

    That granny with the black coat is great!

  • @Webberjo
    @Webberjo 2 года назад +136

    Kanji looks really difficult to memorize because of how many strokes comprise a lot of words.
    English thankfully has words comprised of letters which each only take 1-3 strokes to write.

    • @user-cq4nq8dd3e
      @user-cq4nq8dd3e 2 года назад +35

      Remembering full radicals makes it substantially easier though

    • @user-bs4qu7tb2g
      @user-bs4qu7tb2g 2 года назад +19

      @@user-cq4nq8dd3e Exactly, "Remembering the Kanji" by Heisig is gold in this regard🥇

    • @mikael9325
      @mikael9325 2 года назад +12

      @@user-bs4qu7tb2g I agree, however, I have stumbled upon many less than optimal radical names. There's a site called koohii kanji which is based on Heisigs books with other people creating stories for each kanji, using the same or reformed radical meanings.

    • @yrorysinger5313
      @yrorysinger5313 2 года назад +3

      But for English you still have to learn all the spellings. I imagine it's not as hard for adult learners as Kanji, though.

    • @mikael9325
      @mikael9325 2 года назад +1

      @@vuuvovuuv the point was strokes per character

  • @DioSatyaloka
    @DioSatyaloka 2 года назад +1

    Yeah the speed that natives write kanji is amazing. But Yuta ad for his lesson are getting smoother it's impeccable.

  • @basketfreak023
    @basketfreak023 2 года назад +1

    1:54 you can see his excitement and is raring to go. What a fun and educational video, great work!

  • @kojisan1
    @kojisan1 2 года назад +2

    Grandma was killing it.

  • @vectrex28
    @vectrex28 2 года назад +7

    When I came to Japan, I tried making an effort by writing down notes on paper to practice my kanji.
    1 and a half years later, I gave up and just let my electronic devices draw the correct characters for me. At least this makes me feel less bad about it, hahaha

  • @harishpatil5055
    @harishpatil5055 2 года назад +102

    But how can they remember all those characters for so long? English is damn easy. Sanskrit and Kannada (I'm Indian) characters are also easy because they form a very logical pattern. But I'm not sure if Japanese characters follow a pattern like that from the information I know.

    • @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044
      @xjmmjbnqfstjdijoj2044 2 года назад +37

      They mostly don't, you just have to learn them by heart, and each kanji has several pronunciations, unlike Chinese or Korean for instance

    • @goshinbi44
      @goshinbi44 2 года назад +51

      It helps that many of the kanji are made up of the same parts. you can use them to make "mnemonic devices", stories to help you remember them. For example here's some common kanji that all use the ⺅(person) part on the left: 化任仮伝他休
      in that last one 木 (tree) is on the right side, this is also a common part.

    • @harishpatil5055
      @harishpatil5055 2 года назад +11

      @@goshinbi44 Japanese is indeed a difficult language.

    • @afizi1213
      @afizi1213 2 года назад +1

      Eii cibai, mereka tak suka inggeris saya pun tak suka inggeris, saya lebih rela belajar jepun dari inggeris 🥴sampai macam tu sekali

    • @afizi1213
      @afizi1213 2 года назад +1

      @@harishpatil5055 sukar manapun yang penting gaji dia Best seimbanglah dengan kos sara hidup jepun yang mahal

  • @rozhin6055
    @rozhin6055 2 года назад +3

    This is so reassuring & makes me hopeful 🥲

  • @ariap3307
    @ariap3307 2 года назад +2

    What a great video to watch 11 hours before my Japanese final. Nice to see I’m not alone in not knowing the kanji.

  • @marccuypers2439
    @marccuypers2439 2 года назад +131

    This makes me wonder how technological advancement will influence the Japanese written language in the long run. When people are forgetting how to write Kanji due to the availability of auto suggestion, one might ask the question if kanji will very slowly be phased out entirely.

    • @andrewli6606
      @andrewli6606 2 года назад +81

      Kanji will probably never get phased out entirely because there are way too many homonyms and that’d become extremely difficult to read. Hiragana and katakana would probably need to be revamped to include pitch changes somehow to differentiate words. It would also probably have to be changed to be like Korean and include spaces. Even Korean still uses Chinese characters to a more limited degree in technical written contexts. Overall, Japanese would have to drastically change to remove kanji entirely, which is unlikely.

    • @adonissherlock
      @adonissherlock 2 года назад +64

      Dont be too sure. Japanese without kanji just sucks because of all the homophones. Even as a learner I often find it easier to read texts that have kanji rather than those that don't.

    • @_MRK87
      @_MRK87 2 года назад +41

      Once you learn to read some kanji you start to appreciate it. Reading a text with only kana is difficult, especially complex sentences.

    • @180digi
      @180digi 2 года назад +44

      on the contrary, i've read that the use of kanji is actually INCREASING because of auto suggestion. i guess there's a difference between remembering how to write something and simply recognizing it

    • @devenluca4737
      @devenluca4737 2 года назад +6

      Can't be done. There are a lot of words that are too long or annoying to write in Hiragana that are just one kanji.
      祭り = Matsuri
      まつり = Matsuri but also in Hiragana.

  • @Jamdcup
    @Jamdcup 2 года назад +3

    In my experience, when I learn kanji, I write them but in order to be able to read them if that makes sense. Actually trying to write them makes you memorize them a lot better than just learning by reading. Learning by doing is just more efficient, just like you'll understand a maths problem better if you try to solve it yourself instead of just reading the solution.

  • @Kanjicafe
    @Kanjicafe 2 года назад +2

    Another phenomenal video. Your idea generation is first class. This really inspires me to study harder for some strange reason as well.

  • @ssanimess
    @ssanimess 2 года назад +2

    3:25 "shiki" is incorrect, he missed a stroke on the right side.

  • @kanireader
    @kanireader 2 года назад +1

    The usefulness of knowing to write kanji is debatable but learning to write is really fun and it ultimately helps in other areas such as reading

  • @Bloodybear06
    @Bloodybear06 2 года назад +1

    I love them so much. ❤

  • @cookiemonsterhacker3131
    @cookiemonsterhacker3131 2 года назад +2

    well if i was old japanese and had a lot of time i would learn kanji because what else would i have to do all day it helps you with memory and eyes so its pretty good

  • @asususersupreme
    @asususersupreme Год назад +2

    I still gonna learn how to write most of the kanji. It's like art.

  • @etherdog
    @etherdog 2 года назад +1

    Nice interviews, Yuta! What do you think the trajectory of kanji in Japan is going to be? How long will it last, at least in terms of everyday use? Is there a move to romanji or something else, like hiragana and katakana, which are more directly syllabic?

  • @AllNamesAreJustTaken
    @AllNamesAreJustTaken 2 года назад +1

    theyre so cute and did a great job 😊

  • @NASH78
    @NASH78 2 года назад

    Yuta… For some reason your videos have not been showing in my feeds for about a month now. Just thought I would let you know. Big❤️

  • @backyardbuddy3167
    @backyardbuddy3167 2 года назад +2

    Yuta never fails to promote his classes 😂

  • @Goldenblitzer
    @Goldenblitzer 2 года назад +1

    imagine have a picture based language where the pictures are based on odd translations of an ancient version of a foreign language, couldn't be me

  • @superpowerdragon
    @superpowerdragon 2 года назад +2

    3:20 the shiki is missing one stroke

  • @KH-tp7qx
    @KH-tp7qx Год назад +1

    探険 is the etymologically correct one. In traditional Chinese it is also 險 with the ‘ear’ radical. As many have pointed out, etymologically 探険 means to search the danger, hence to explore, compare 危険. With the wood/tree radical 検 means to exam and check cf 検定 (to examine, approve),検疫(to check for disease, quarantine)。
    With the 新字体 some characters with similar meaning were mixed up. Still, we should not say 探険 is wrong. You can say it is obsolete or out-dated. Many writers write the Kanji they think are correct/suitable for the meaning anyway. That’s the beauty of Kanji.

    • @Shichitenhakki78
      @Shichitenhakki78 Год назад

      I actually am able to find 探檢 as a rare word in some Chinese and Korean dictionaries. For example, the 重編國語辭典修訂本 defines 探檢 as 探索尋檢. In both Korean and Chinese, the two words are pronounced differently (探險/탐험 = tanxian/tamheom; 探檢/탐검 = tanjian/tamgeom). In Japanese, they are pronunced the same and Japanese dictionaries now list both versions but with perhaps different nuances. My guess is that they blended into the same word since they sound the same in Japanese. For some reason, 探検 has become standard in the Japanese media but 探険 is in the dictionary and should not be considered wrong.

  • @vangmx
    @vangmx 2 года назад +7

    Loved this video! For a Chinese language learner such as myself for over 20 years, kanji (or hanzi) is normal in the everyday Chinese writing language. Everything is kanji! Also, it’s interesting to see the shared kanji characters between the Japanese and Chinese language from a historical sense. Great video!

  • @DrowningInTea
    @DrowningInTea Год назад +2

    探險 is actually the correct one in Chinese. If you consider the context:
    探=find, discover
    險=uncharted, danger, unknown
    檢 is inspect, examine (something physical) so it does not make sense in this context.
    I guess in Japanese, 探検 was misused so many times over 探険, it eventually became the "correct" one...
    So, the old person was actually right when he wrote 探険. It's Japanese that is wrong.

  • @_MRK87
    @_MRK87 2 года назад +20

    my Japanese teacher insists on doing a 10 kanji hand writing test every two weeks :/

    • @momusufan964
      @momusufan964 2 года назад +7

      It's great, hold on !

    • @doromizu.
      @doromizu. 2 года назад +11

      That's good. Writing Kanji is a great way to remember it

    • @Mashiris
      @Mashiris 2 года назад

      It depends if it's easy kanji I don't see an issue.

    • @musthaf9
      @musthaf9 2 года назад +3

      If you can write it, you can read it. I’d say, continue on. I also practice writing them, because it helps me memorize them

    • @_MRK87
      @_MRK87 2 года назад

      @@musthaf9 yea, but the question is: if it's necessary to write them in order to be able to read them. And I'm not convinced about that one. It's a conservative approach straight from the Japanese education system, kept from times when they had to write stuff by hand. It takes a lot of time to learn to write them and you forget the next day basically. I'd rather spend this time reading.

  • @white_mage
    @white_mage Год назад

    that was fun. i might actually try learning some kanji just to mess around lol

  • @jamtea573
    @jamtea573 2 года назад +2

    I was wondering when this video was coming back, I saw the first half of it yesterday before it suddenly disappeared! What was wrong with it if you don't mind me asking?

  • @TheWabbitSeason
    @TheWabbitSeason 2 года назад +5

    If you don't have a computer and the appropriate word is kanji, but you don't remember it, do you fall back to the Hiragana or Katakana version?

    • @peterj6721
      @peterj6721 2 года назад +3

      I'm still a beginner in Japanese, but from what I understand, they default to hiragana. I think katakana is only used for words that are borrowed from other languages, and from what I've observed, there aren't any kanji equivalents for katakana words.

    • @doggypi1532
      @doggypi1532 2 года назад

      Hmm... If I don't know the exact word I'd probably use another term or just describe it lol...and yes in Hira/kata form~

  • @gingajones3093
    @gingajones3093 2 года назад +1

    it would be nice to see people learning Japanese vs elderly Japanese in writing kanji at that grade level

  • @matttheimperial6863
    @matttheimperial6863 2 года назад +12

    You should totally do a video seeing if foreigners who know Japanese can remember Kanji

  • @the_real_one4456
    @the_real_one4456 2 года назад +1

    could u do a video of verb conjugation? would be very helpful :)

  • @matthiasb.p.8834
    @matthiasb.p.8834 2 года назад +1

    "tanken" actually means "to fill up gas/petrol" in german

  • @rexnemo
    @rexnemo 2 месяца назад

    I saw something about how words are read and apparently the brain looks at part of the words and fills in the rest .
    It is like how I try to remember a song that I've heard and yet cannot recall the words and yet if a different version is played on the radio then I can recognise it immediately as not being the version that I know .
    So a fairer test might be to show the people the Hanzi ( Kanji ) and then ask them what it means .
    The brain is doing lots of processing simultaneously and the skill required to write the word is probably being routed through lots of areas inside the brain .
    Maybe making a video showing people the character and asking them what it means would be interesting and a comparison could then be made . Plus it would give you an entire new project .

  • @raphaelmanarpz721
    @raphaelmanarpz721 2 года назад +4

    鬱病 (utsubyō/depression)、飆 (tsumujikaze/whirlwind)、鬮 (kuji/lottery)and other complex kanji are killing me. At least I was able to memorize the first one.

    • @ernstschmidt4725
      @ernstschmidt4725 2 года назад +3

      they seem to be highly composite, maybe lookin its radicals help to get a mnemonic of them.
      飆 in particular is three dogs and wind. maybe its a wind as loud as three dogs or is a wind that spins like three dogs chasing their tails.

    • @Meyy1105
      @Meyy1105 2 года назад

      i think people will just go for katakana/hiragana for these words rather than these kanjis they look like headache lol

    • @as2s3hf7gff
      @as2s3hf7gff 2 года назад

      if you searching depression in japanese at RUclips、it's very rare to find the word 鬱病 at youtube, you'll just find うつ病。the word うつ just came with hiragana

    • @raphaelmanarpz721
      @raphaelmanarpz721 2 года назад

      @@as2s3hf7gff yep, I've noticed that. More useful than the gruelling 鬱.

    • @as2s3hf7gff
      @as2s3hf7gff 2 года назад

      @@raphaelmanarpz721 yeah, what about Taiwanese that still use traditional Chinese, they never have (or just a bit) simplification of their writing

  • @makotohanazawa6560
    @makotohanazawa6560 2 года назад

    探険 is actaully marked as a variation of 探検 in dictionaries

  • @TheStickCollector
    @TheStickCollector 2 года назад +1

    Interesting results

  • @thegreatchrispy
    @thegreatchrispy 2 года назад

    This feels like the same level as "have you seen this movie?" versus "list all the movies you've seen", type of scenario.

  • @dinhvietluan2006
    @dinhvietluan2006 10 месяцев назад

    4:29 In Vietnamese we use the word 探険 (tanken, literally means detect the danger) for the meaning of exploration; never heard of 探検 (detect and check??! sounds quite weird)

  • @user-ib5hi4tb5r
    @user-ib5hi4tb5r 2 года назад +1

    This is a Japanese video that I as a Chinese can enjoy

  • @Katcom111
    @Katcom111 2 года назад +2

    You should make more videos of the elderly doing kanji but reward them after they solve the kanji right.

  • @thevinmeister5015
    @thevinmeister5015 2 года назад +1

    Typing and the lack of handwriting things outside of your profession once out of school is my best guess

  • @mustafacr728
    @mustafacr728 2 года назад

    the question is why adopt such a difficult writing system omg I love it thou

  • @sweetdurt2143
    @sweetdurt2143 2 года назад +2

    Japanese people: kanji is difficult
    me: same

  • @stripedsweater520
    @stripedsweater520 2 года назад

    Yuta! Can you do a video reacting/reviewing Kotaro Lives Alone on Netflix. I wonder your opinion on the themes e shown in the anime

  • @davidanderson1818
    @davidanderson1818 2 года назад

    I have a small very old copper knife that has symbols on it. How do I find out what it says? Showed to elderly Japanese man, he said it was writing long before his time.

  • @Scarlett-vk5vg
    @Scarlett-vk5vg 2 года назад +3

    are you Yuta Okkotsu

  • @okitasan
    @okitasan 2 года назад +1

    it's interesting that some of these elderly people are probably among the first of a generation that an even older generation complained about not writing kanji. Some of these guys were probably in their 30s-40s in the 1980s and 1990s when computers, electronic dictionaries, and phones were becoming big, and I would imagine the people in the 60s+ at that time were bothered about the digitization of kanji.

  • @kungszigfrids1482
    @kungszigfrids1482 2 года назад +1

    The closest thing in my nation would propably be to ask people who to write names that need to be capitalized, but here again there are only 3 rules and everything else is 100% phonetic we write like we speak (but writing prefuxes roots sufexes and endings seperatly)
    For example "Latvijas Republika" bough are capitalized, while (at this point I whent looking up examples as I dont like the standart capitalization so use my own and dont want to give you my own by accident) "Baltijas jūra" only first is capitalized (this does line up with my personal capitalization rules, bough examples).

  • @SphereBoxCube
    @SphereBoxCube 2 года назад +2

    I'd fail if he asked me how to write いち from memory

  • @MOON-ib7fz
    @MOON-ib7fz 2 года назад +2

    My goal is to learn 900 or 1200 Kanji. I want to learn the most used and some that I find intresting.
    And also, the only reason I am learing Japanese is bc I want to get a diary thart is completly in Japanese so I can finally have some privacy at home and have no worries about my mother reading my diary bc its all in Japanese and she will never understand it.
    *ITS BIG BRAIN TIME*

    • @happycook6737
      @happycook6737 8 месяцев назад

      Mom can use an online translator app that instantly translates a written page like the one I use to read labels. Beware.

  • @ndt10
    @ndt10 2 года назад

    このようなコンテンツでもっと多くのビデオを作ってください。お願いします

  • @strongindependentblackwoma1887
    @strongindependentblackwoma1887 2 года назад

    I'm writting complex kanjis that i encounter in my books, but not cuz i'm trying to memorize them but....to "get use to the stroke orders in case i see some similar kanji"

  • @danielstandford4930
    @danielstandford4930 2 года назад

    can someone explain to me how they dont remember? is it not common to write in kanji? forgive me I know nothing about the japanese language, just curious. I assumed that they used the alphabetical japanese (there might be a word for this) and kanji semi interchangeably. Is it that on their keyboards te=hey type it out semi phonetically and it changes it?

  • @RyneMcKinney
    @RyneMcKinney Месяц назад

    To someone like me, that would take years of articulate memorization of how and where to draw the lines and dots of the symbol

  • @Soozely666
    @Soozely666 2 года назад +2

    im learning japanese, and even if i mastered kanji, i think i couldnt read the handwritings of others

  • @Eisenkette
    @Eisenkette 2 года назад

    Yuta! Can you keep the current kanji on the screen so we can see?

  • @tonyg_fgc8152
    @tonyg_fgc8152 2 года назад +2

    That's pretty insightful. You don't really have to learn writing the obscure kanji. Just be able to read them and speak them.

  • @huskee7684
    @huskee7684 4 месяца назад

    3:53 you know he boutta do harakiri

  • @Sakanakao
    @Sakanakao 2 года назад +1

    Ha ha this is reassuring in my very slow quest to learn Kanji...

  • @b1sII6
    @b1sII6 2 года назад +1

    interesting to learn that 約束 means promise in Japanese. In Chinese it means constrain or constraint. It makes sense: we should not make a promise lightly, or it would become a constraint.

    • @physika
      @physika Год назад +1

      I believe Japanese see the 2 words individually ie 约 = promise and 束 just means it's bounded on the person, on the other hand Chinese sees it in a broader context ie restrain.

    • @Shichitenhakki78
      @Shichitenhakki78 Год назад

      Korean also uses 約束 (약속/yaksok) to mean "promise." It's interesting that a lot of Korean hanja and Japanese kanji have similar meanings but are different from Chinese. Like "airport" being 空港/공항 in Japanese and Korean, but 機場/机场 in Chinese.

    • @jaif7327
      @jaif7327 9 месяцев назад

      @@Shichitenhakki78could it be because japanese and korean wanted to preserve whilst chinese diverged on its own?

  • @ultracapitalistutopia3550
    @ultracapitalistutopia3550 2 года назад +1

    4:05 He was not wrong to write 険 instead of 検. Aside from that, I can definitely see that more Japanese people are about abolishing kanji from Japanese like their neighbors (South Korea and Vietnam). Some Japanese websites which claim to teach real keigo (敬語) even claim that the use of kanji in text gives a "harsh, patronizing" impression, but when reality, many Japanese people are totally cool with switching between kana and kanji, e.g. いたす/致す.

  • @Snow-Willow
    @Snow-Willow 2 года назад +1

    Maaaan, I'm just a novice learner but these ojiisan make me feel like I'm doing it wrong. They lift up their pens waaay less than I do. When did the strokes become optional?? TwT
    We have this in the US to with cursive. I still remember, but my husband can't even read most cursive anymore.

    • @steeltalon2356
      @steeltalon2356 2 года назад

      lots of things are taught strictly "by the book" in a very specific way. Later you just do what's easiest for you. Sometimes it's good reason, such as setting good fundamentals to discourage bad habits. Other times because of mass standardized. Or just because it's just traditional and it "always been done this way".

  • @whushaw
    @whushaw 2 года назад +4

    I love seniors! Respect your elders and open your ears. You can learn a thing or two!

  • @Aschdra87
    @Aschdra87 2 года назад

    Now I feel better for confusing kanji sometimes as a N4 student.

  • @pipo_pipo_
    @pipo_pipo_ 2 года назад

    I do that thing all the time where I accidentally write the second kanji first and then I'll just write the first kanji to the left of that 😭😭 I'm glad that's a universal thing

  • @dennistan7453
    @dennistan7453 2 года назад

    At 3:22 shiki was written wrongly despite it being deemed correct (missing the second last stroke on 織)

  • @Martasaka83
    @Martasaka83 2 года назад

    I feel a bit better abt myself when I look at those people in your kanji videos lmao, kanji are the bane of my existence as a Japanese studies student 😭

  • @LaFranceBonjour
    @LaFranceBonjour 2 года назад +3

    a chinese guy I know can read kanji and understand a lot without knowing any Japanese. Apparently a lot of characters have been changed slightly or a lot; so a lot is guess work, but if he knows the context of the characters ,he can make educated guesses of the changed Kanji and still know basically what is being said. he explain he can understand like an english speaker would understand a sentance like, "hier je suis rentré chez moi et j'ai mangé du chocolat"

    • @brendanmurphy8727
      @brendanmurphy8727 2 года назад +1

      A lot of nuance will be lost. 見る - to see, 見せる - to show, 見える - to be visible, and that's before you add tense or negatives. The hiragana part will be where whether something happened or didn't happen is indicated. Just knowing the kanji is likely to result in getting hold of the wrong end of the stick.
      As for the changes, Mandarin has simplified the characters a lot more than Japanese has. If your friend is Cantonese, he may know traditional Chinese characters which are a lot closer to Japanese characters.

    • @550077
      @550077 2 года назад +2

      I’m not sure if an English speaker would understand anything in "hier je suis rentré chez moi et j'ai mangé du chocolat", other than "chocolat" though.

    • @brendanmurphy8727
      @brendanmurphy8727 2 года назад +1

      @@andrewli9024 Cheers. I should have realised that as the move away from traditional in mainland China was due to the CCP.

    • @ray295
      @ray295 2 года назад

      @@brendanmurphy8727 LMAO, please do some research next time, don't be so ignorant. Simplified Chinese can date back to Qin dynasty and the simplification initiative was first proposed by KMT before CCP, CCP simply adopted this plan later after 1949

    • @brendanmurphy8727
      @brendanmurphy8727 2 года назад

      @@ray295 No. In its current form Simplified Chinese is entirely a product of the CCP. The simplifications used in the Qin dynasty were more akin to handwriting idiosyncrasies and were neither widespread nor well regarded at the time. The proposals under the KMT to simplify Chinese characters were rejected by the party and not implemented.