I've been trying to carefully listen to every presentation by Dr. Hanson at least 5 times. no other person on this planet has compelled me so. Maybe it's because of his farming background and deep roots in classical history that makes his words ring so true.
I began with Jordan Peterson. Worked my way through a Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, Larry Elder, Walter E Williams, (many others along these lines) and now VDH. What a wealth of intellects I’d never known until recent 2 years or so!
Sheila Bright Jordan Peterson serves to provide nuance, no matter how ideological you are, he will crack it in some subtle way. That's why the leftists prefer to scream at him rather than learn something, their whole worldview may collapse.
Victor is one of the few people on the planet that understands the big picture. He is the best at communicating what he knows to the masses. Great interview.
Thank you VDH! Please explain to everyone how legalizing one plant will help 7.5 billion poor people eliminate hunger, homelessness, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc,etc. U.S. savings of 5 Trillion annually!
VDH is my hero. He is always prescient about the present - based on history. And his speculations on the future are always, always wrong. The Great Arab Muslim Sectarian Civil War has been ongoing for the last one hundred years. It is not "Modern Arab or Muslim" vs 8th Century Fanatics. It is about family; tribe; clan; religious sect; military hegemony; dictator; kingdom; country VS every other faction. It will never end until complete destruction is achieved.
@BarFlySupreme I'll bet he was! Victor Davis Hanson got me interested in Greek classic literature, and was partially responsible for making me want to back to school for History. I love this guy.
I like to view others in their natural habitat. Sad to write that humans today really aren't that much different than those of the past, except for the earlier stages who were a little more brutal, and yes, even today. I have to ask, how far are we to go with this until we come full turn? Have we not learned the lessons or do we continue living in a false impression while the rich, including criminals in all walks of life, skate through life if they are lucky.
Both Soviet Union and Nazi Germany lost WW2. But actually so happened to British Empire too. But the beginning of end for British Empire started already in 1917. Europeans lost the war but partly won the peace. But as we see now there will never in next coming 300 years be European global dominance. That era was over in 1945.
@TheGreekoid He discussed how the eastern military failed to establish any real long lasting dominion over Europe. The mongols did a lot but they did not last in Europe to long. I believe your point though as I feel the ottoman empire should have been addressed for its rule over Spain and the Balkans for so long.
"Carnage and Culture" is rubbish. It's full of wishful/fanciful thinking the likes of Hollywood or Nazi historical narrative. It can only teach kids to make mental errors, because they feel right.
Hanson his brilliant when he understands Greek history as a result of constantly conflicting class interests, e.g. the rise of the polis as a result of the rise of a farmer class of hoplites who started to demand more political rights. But then he fails miserably when completely (and probably purposefully) forgets about all this as he analyzes contemporary history, talking about "wars being stopped by democracies", etc.
"There were no arms of massive destruction in Irak" Really that would be news to the kurds that died in the Halabja gas attack. And in 2000 it would have been news to ALL the intelligence agencies wold wide that believed he did and furthermore had had good reasons to do so. " talibans in Irak" Nope, but al-quade in Irak? Yep. Anywhere from 50 k to 80 k Terrorists died in Iraq. rather then blowing themselves up in London or Rome or New York. A win in my opinion.
Mr. Hanson's has a deep understanding of traditional military / geopolitical theory. His views are usually well argued, logical, certainly worth considering. However, after watching this video twice I have a critique. (Yay me) As to uderstanding the modern war on terrorism, or accounting for the 20th century brand of U.S./western expansionism I suggest that Mr. Hanson's understanding is lacking, or he is deliberately advancing a perspective of some kind based on an agenda. To discuss modern western policy or warfare in Iraq/ the middle east, and not mention the roles of U.S./U.K./Israeli intelligence agencies is not good history in my opinion. This was recorded around 2006 so perhaps he should largely be given a pass as so much has become known since then
i enjoy and learn, willing, from Victor Davis Hanson. but no one is perfect. his admiration for reagan is unfounded imho. reagan signed into law the most blatantly infringing gun control we have ever seen. the firearms owners protection act should never have seen the light of day. whether he was duped, senile or malicious, he was culpable and he should not have signed that misnamed pos into law. on a side note charly wrangle should be imprisoned for his role in that debacle.
i disagree! Athens strategy was not to tie! It was to get the allies of Sparta away from her, and to get the Messenian Helots to revolt, which would bring the Spartan Collapse from within!
Hanson has a liberal perspective here. He's correct in many instances, but his perspective is very academic and couched in affluent liberalism; he's almost naïve about Iraq war 2 and the actions of the West in the middle east regarding the motivations of Western elites in puppeteering Western politics towards technocratic-neoglobalism.
It always amuses me that a certain type of American likes to see themselves as the continuation of the Greeks and Romans. Ye. You came from Europe. We have a cultural identity forged over 1600 years since Rome fell. Americans don't have a historical identity that goes beyond the late 18th century. Its lol. (laugh out loud)
I would take a step back and look at the state of other Nations right now. China Russia and Western Europe are suffering worse then the USA right now. This financial collapse would have happen if we never invaded Iraq. The lone difference is that there would be more money to dump into bailouts and their questionable worth. Again this assumes that Saddam would have played nice, I don't think that is a reasonable assumption.
Spartan-Surfer USA is the biggest producer per day today, also American companies didn’t get any contracts (or few) from Iraq oil fields. So what’s the next theory?
Dr Hansen speaks well, however I’m not sure if he goes back and revisits his predictions all that often. US did not withdrew 2006, and when did (well depending on how you count, still hasn’t) ISIS took hold and US was back at it again. the problem with US’s approach be it in Iraq or Afghanistan is to try turn things around by a top-down strategy. instead what should’ve been done is something more like Germany after WWII. need to be from ground up. think changing education system etc
On my way to a year in the Triangle of Death I read a state department book on iran. I realized then that this was all about The Last Man Standing. mohammidism v Civilization. There is no inbetween. mohammidism is like the fake church of salt lake city in that because mohammid said it, that's the way it is and it cannot be change. Fake church is the same, if joe smitt said it, it cannot be changed.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF CONSCRIPTION ? ME I DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY PROLONG THE LIVES OF UNFAIR GOVERNMENT . IF THE MORALE IS RIGHT THE FIGHT IS JUST N NECESSARY THEN WE WIL VOLUNTEER HAPPILY WITH PRIDE N HONOUR ... ITS IMPORTANT TO HAVE IF YOU WANT TO WIN NOT JUST ENGAGE AN ENEMY ? WHAT DO YOU THINK ? AUSTRALIAN
I wanted to hear what Hanson had to say about the Peloponnesian war war, not a bunch of discussion over the Iraq war. I am disappointed in Dr. Hanson and in the ideas discussed. The Iraq war by this date has been considered an expensive (in lives and money) and failed attempt by the U.S. To show its might - it has done otherwise, much like the failed mission to Italy by the Athenians.
Ι΄m also disappointed with the way that dr Hanson analyse the Iraqi war. He idealize an invasion, using as argument the intention of the «democratic» USA to save the Iraqis from a dictator… I expected an interesting discussion about the Peloponnesian war and I lost my time listening to Bush, through Dr. Hanson. Ἀπογοητευτικότατη ἡ προσέγγισι τοῦ δόκτωρος Χάνσον σχετικῶς μὲ τὴν εἰσβολὴ τῶν Η.Π.Α. στὸ Ἰράκ. Ἡ δὲ συσχέτιση στὴν ἀρχὴ τῆς ὁμιλίας μὲ τὸν Πελοποννησιακὸ Πόλεμο εἶναι ἄστοχη, διότι αὐτὸς ἦταν ἐμφύλιος.
William Peterson don’t forget. This interview is from 2006, a full decade plus ago. The ramifications of the Iraq war was not yet fully known. Or at least it’s was not as clear as it is for us today. Also MR Hanson did a fine job promoting his book on the Peloponnesian war in other interviews and discussions. This discussion was frankly the fault of the interviewer who lost sight of the purpose for the interview, which was his new book.
@@garbonomics No excuse -- I knew (as did anyone who did a few hours of research) in 2006, and before we ever invaded Iraq, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq was not Fundamentalist; did not have Sharia Law; was not even anti-American. Regardless of the fact that Sadam was a fascist thug - he was a secular thug -- and Iraq was a modern Middle Eastern country, like Syria -- they had liquor stores, women had equal rights -- women were attending universities and working as doctors, etc., and all religions were permitted. I know Iraqis. There was no Taliban in Iraq. AFTER we invaded Iraq and destroyed the country, of course, terrorism mushroomed and Fundamentalist Islam sprang up in response to our total destruction of their country. I am completely opposed to Sharia law and fundamentalist Islam, but Iraq WAS not our enemy and what we did there was pure evil. Of course it was about oi, the trillions made by corporate war-racketeers, and our plan to destroy the Middle East. If we wanted a religious war against fundamentalist Islam, we would have invaded Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. There were Saudis on the planes on 9/11 -- no Iraqis and no Afghanis. I was a fan of Hanson's -- but I am shocked at his bizarre and misinformed view of the Iraq invasion and occupation.
Must be nice to be always wrong and yet get medals for it. Nice for him, not so much for the rest of us. He is far more subtle than creationists, yet in the same game of passing his inane opinions as supposedly plausible theories, and these as established fact. There are too many shysters like him in academia, relying on undue politeness and deference, getting away with it, all the way to the top. For shame.
There were no arms of massive destruction in Irak, and there were no talibans in Irak with Sadam. Victor Davis Hanson says nothing about IT. What is very important in this área is OIL, FOR SURE
Unfortunately the Iraqis fought amongst each other, soon after they were given a once in lifetime chance to work together, create a democratic state. Instead they killed, murdered and took revenge after Saddam was deposed.
I've been trying to carefully listen to every presentation by Dr. Hanson at least 5 times. no other person on this planet has compelled me so. Maybe it's because of his farming background and deep roots in classical history that makes his words ring so true.
same
#me too
He has a clear way of speaking that is a joy to listen to.
I began with Jordan Peterson. Worked my way through a Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman, Larry Elder, Walter E Williams, (many others along these lines) and now VDH.
What a wealth of intellects I’d never known until recent 2 years or so!
Sheila Bright Jordan Peterson serves to provide nuance, no matter how ideological you are, he will crack it in some subtle way. That's why the leftists prefer to scream at him rather than learn something, their whole worldview may collapse.
Victor is one of the few people on the planet that understands the big picture. He is the best at communicating what he knows to the masses. Great interview.
pure logic and seemingly pure objectivity.... what an amazing historian
I do enjoy Hanson, he has deep knowledge of these subjects and makes very convincing arguments for his ideas and suggestions.
i love this guy's voice. he always sounds so bored, which makes it soothing.
It’s called ‘wisdom’,. Honey
@@aascjhfdh nah, he's just physicaly exhausted from plowing the rough terrain of central California
VIctor Davis Hanson is a man like no other. On the national scene he is without peer.
As a history buff I truly enjoy listening to this man.
I love this guy, he is amazing.
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VDH is a true renaissance man.
VDH is always awesome...war will never go away. There will be a need to defeat the corrupt, and the bad players.
Looks like it all has come to pass as they write this today. God Bless You VDH!
One of the reasons his thinking is so profound is that he asks the right questions...
Very Informative,Thank-you , Mr. Hanson.
THE BEST OF THE BEST.
What a wonderful video.
Thank you VDH! Please explain to everyone how legalizing one plant will help 7.5 billion poor people eliminate hunger, homelessness, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc,etc. U.S. savings of 5 Trillion annually!
VDH is my hero.
He is always prescient about the present - based on history.
And his speculations on the future are always, always wrong.
The Great Arab Muslim Sectarian Civil War has been ongoing for the last one hundred years.
It is not "Modern Arab or Muslim" vs 8th Century Fanatics.
It is about family; tribe; clan; religious sect; military hegemony; dictator; kingdom; country VS every other faction.
It will never end until complete destruction is achieved.
Wrong. He claims that human nature does not change, which is correct
Happy 70th Birthday Victor 🎉.
@BarFlySupreme I'll bet he was! Victor Davis Hanson got me interested in Greek classic literature, and was partially responsible for making me want to back to school for History. I love this guy.
Curtis LeMay said - If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting. I totally agree with that.
"Democracies do not attack democracies, they attack all others..."
Yes the human nature is the same, only the tools changed....
War is hell, if it were not, we would grow too fond of it. Robert E Lee
i have all your books
Great, teaching
wouldn't it be great to have VDH in 2023 review and discuss his ideas, thoughts, and opinions presented here...
We never had a clear mission and so as powerful as we were... we were never going to win.
Listen to this man!
PLEASE LISTEN, LEARN,& ENJOY
"Other wars to come..."
I like to view others in their natural habitat. Sad to write that humans today really aren't that much different than those of the past, except for the earlier stages who were a little more brutal, and yes, even today. I have to ask, how far are we to go with this until we come full turn? Have we not learned the lessons or do we continue living in a false impression while the rich, including criminals in all walks of life, skate through life if they are lucky.
Both Soviet Union and Nazi Germany lost WW2. But actually so happened to British Empire too. But the beginning of end for British Empire started already in 1917. Europeans lost the war but partly won the peace. But as we see now there will never in next coming 300 years be European global dominance. That era was over in 1945.
What about the Yalta Conference?
@TheGreekoid He discussed how the eastern military failed to establish any real long lasting dominion over Europe. The mongols did a lot but they did not last in Europe to long. I believe your point though as I feel the ottoman empire should have been addressed for its rule over Spain and the Balkans for so long.
brilliant
i was born and now i am at war ty vdh
I don't remember now, and I don't want to watch the video again.
As mohammidan women finally realize through cell phones and TV dishes they are equal to men, mohammidism is going to lose.
A speak passed by history.
You had to read Carnage and Culture in EIGHTH GRADE? Your state has an amazing education system, even though you must be bored to tears by it.
"Carnage and Culture" is rubbish. It's full of wishful/fanciful thinking the likes of Hollywood or Nazi historical narrative. It can only teach kids to make mental errors, because they feel right.
sir you have not spoken about Epamiondas
I have his book on Sparta. The best.
Pop acid. Listen to the theme music.
26 jiahdis watched this.
I just watch this for the intro music.
If Spock was a military historian....
Hanson his brilliant when he understands Greek history as a result of constantly conflicting class interests, e.g. the rise of the polis as a result of the rise of a farmer class of hoplites who started to demand more political rights. But then he fails miserably when completely (and probably purposefully) forgets about all this as he analyzes contemporary history, talking about "wars being stopped by democracies", etc.
tchuncly Before you criticise someone of the stature of Hanson, you may want to brush up on your spelling
"There were no arms of massive destruction in Irak" Really that would be news to the kurds that died in the Halabja gas attack. And in 2000 it would have been news to ALL the intelligence agencies wold wide that believed he did and furthermore had had good reasons to do so. " talibans in Irak" Nope, but al-quade in Irak? Yep. Anywhere from 50 k to 80 k Terrorists died in Iraq. rather then blowing themselves up in London or Rome or New York. A win in my opinion.
Mr. Hanson's has a deep understanding of traditional military / geopolitical theory. His views are usually well argued, logical, certainly worth considering. However, after watching this video twice I have a critique. (Yay me) As to uderstanding the modern war on terrorism, or accounting for the 20th century brand of U.S./western expansionism I suggest that Mr. Hanson's understanding is lacking, or he is deliberately advancing a perspective of some kind based on an agenda. To discuss modern western policy or warfare in Iraq/ the middle east, and not mention the roles of U.S./U.K./Israeli intelligence agencies is not good history in my opinion. This was recorded around 2006 so perhaps he should largely be given a pass as so much has become known since then
i enjoy and learn, willing, from Victor Davis Hanson. but no one is perfect. his admiration for reagan is unfounded imho. reagan signed into law the most blatantly infringing gun control we have ever seen. the firearms owners protection act should never have seen the light of day. whether he was duped, senile or malicious, he was culpable and he should not have signed that misnamed pos into law. on a side note charly wrangle should be imprisoned for his role in that debacle.
@grterew back at you.
imagine, if you will a 19ton "bomb proof" vehicle w/ 4 drone operators, annihilating weapons only, like a star trek story
Yeah, but Hanson showed that that only happened only once due to Epaminondas.
Ahhh sounds a bit like of star treck.
i disagree! Athens strategy was not to tie! It was to get the allies of Sparta away from her, and to get the Messenian Helots to revolt, which would bring the Spartan Collapse from within!
why not mention Saudi Arabia
Because that would make you happy and we can't have _that_ ...
Invading Iraq was a war crime. How this scholar can speak so dispassionately about murder is beyond belief.
Yes, saddam was a great man 😂
@@lowrydan111 no, he wasn't as we both know, but the invasion was an act of criminality, utterly lawless
This is an old video
Hanson has a liberal perspective here. He's correct in many instances, but his perspective is very academic and couched in affluent liberalism; he's almost naïve about Iraq war 2 and the actions of the West in the middle east regarding the motivations of Western elites in puppeteering Western politics towards technocratic-neoglobalism.
It always amuses me that a certain type of American likes to see themselves as the continuation of the Greeks and Romans. Ye. You came from Europe. We have a cultural identity forged over 1600 years since Rome fell. Americans don't have a historical identity that goes beyond the late 18th century. Its lol. (laugh out loud)
@@Kimian111 they've not been around long enough
@yadreamin251 You don't get my sense of humor.
What then is human nature?
Facade19 tribal...
I would take a step back and look at the state of other Nations right now. China Russia and Western Europe are suffering worse then the USA right now. This financial collapse would have happen if we never invaded Iraq. The lone difference is that there would be more money to dump into bailouts and their questionable worth. Again this assumes that Saddam would have played nice, I don't think that is a reasonable assumption.
if the Middle East sold broccoli we would not give a s*** God bless their oil for the spoiled Americans
Spartan-Surfer USA is the biggest producer per day today, also American companies didn’t get any contracts (or few) from Iraq oil fields. So what’s the next theory?
@@Dude0000 He was eating a tide pod when he posted that.
I guess you do not use energy in your tech-heavy western therapeutic life
What I saw in iraq was that there always a corruption in the units where the footsoldier had to pay a bribe to his commander everytime he was paid.
Dr Hansen speaks well, however I’m not sure if he goes back and revisits his predictions all that often. US did not withdrew 2006, and when did (well depending on how you count, still hasn’t) ISIS took hold and US was back at it again. the problem with US’s approach be it in Iraq or Afghanistan is to try turn things around by a top-down strategy. instead what should’ve been done is something more like Germany after WWII. need to be from ground up. think changing education system etc
On my way to a year in the Triangle of Death I read a state department book on iran. I realized then that this was all about The Last Man Standing. mohammidism v Civilization. There is no inbetween. mohammidism is like the fake church of salt lake city in that because mohammid said it, that's the way it is and it cannot be change. Fake church is the same, if joe smitt said it, it cannot be changed.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF CONSCRIPTION ? ME I DONT LIKE IT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY PROLONG THE LIVES OF UNFAIR GOVERNMENT . IF THE MORALE IS RIGHT THE FIGHT IS JUST N NECESSARY THEN WE WIL VOLUNTEER HAPPILY WITH PRIDE N HONOUR ... ITS IMPORTANT TO HAVE IF YOU WANT TO WIN NOT JUST ENGAGE AN ENEMY ? WHAT DO YOU THINK ? AUSTRALIAN
I wanted to hear what Hanson had to say about the Peloponnesian war war, not a bunch of discussion over the Iraq war. I am disappointed in Dr. Hanson and in the ideas discussed. The Iraq war by this date has been considered an expensive (in lives and money) and failed attempt by the U.S. To show its might - it has done otherwise, much like the failed mission to Italy by the Athenians.
Ι΄m also disappointed with the way that dr Hanson analyse the Iraqi war. He idealize an invasion, using as argument the intention of the «democratic» USA to save the Iraqis from a dictator…
I expected an interesting discussion about the Peloponnesian war and I lost my time listening to Bush, through Dr. Hanson.
Ἀπογοητευτικότατη ἡ προσέγγισι τοῦ δόκτωρος Χάνσον σχετικῶς μὲ τὴν εἰσβολὴ τῶν Η.Π.Α. στὸ Ἰράκ. Ἡ δὲ συσχέτιση στὴν ἀρχὴ τῆς ὁμιλίας μὲ τὸν Πελοποννησιακὸ Πόλεμο εἶναι ἄστοχη, διότι αὐτὸς ἦταν ἐμφύλιος.
William Peterson don’t forget. This interview is from 2006, a full decade plus ago. The ramifications of the Iraq war was not yet fully known. Or at least it’s was not as clear as it is for us today. Also MR Hanson did a fine job promoting his book on the Peloponnesian war in other interviews and discussions. This discussion was frankly the fault of the interviewer who lost sight of the purpose for the interview, which was his new book.
@@garbonomics No excuse -- I knew (as did anyone who did a few hours of research) in 2006, and before we ever invaded Iraq, that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq was not Fundamentalist; did not have Sharia Law; was not even anti-American. Regardless of the fact that Sadam was a fascist thug - he was a secular thug -- and Iraq was a modern Middle Eastern country, like Syria -- they had liquor stores, women had equal rights -- women were attending universities and working as doctors, etc., and all religions were permitted. I know Iraqis. There was no Taliban in Iraq. AFTER we invaded Iraq and destroyed the country, of course, terrorism mushroomed and Fundamentalist Islam sprang up in response to our total destruction of their country. I am completely opposed to Sharia law and fundamentalist Islam, but Iraq WAS not our enemy and what we did there was pure evil. Of course it was about oi, the trillions made by corporate war-racketeers, and our plan to destroy the Middle East. If we wanted a religious war against fundamentalist Islam, we would have invaded Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. There were Saudis on the planes on 9/11 -- no Iraqis and no Afghanis. I was a fan of Hanson's -- but I am shocked at his bizarre and misinformed view of the Iraq invasion and occupation.
The western culture also comes with the alphabet soup, excess of materialism and these qualities turn traditional people away.
this guy couldn't have been more wrong on Iraq. even on the details as it unfolded he was wrong at every turn
what about 100.000 people from Irak killed during the war? Victor did not say anything. He did not see the dead visiting Irak
"the bard of boobosie".
so much of what he says is missing in leadership is what Trump offers
Must be nice to be always wrong and yet get medals for it. Nice for him, not so much for the rest of us. He is far more subtle than creationists, yet in the same game of passing his inane opinions as supposedly plausible theories, and these as established fact. There are too many shysters like him in academia, relying on undue politeness and deference, getting away with it, all the way to the top. For shame.
Harry, please share some evidence with your claims
There were no arms of massive destruction in Irak, and there were no talibans in Irak with Sadam. Victor Davis Hanson says nothing about IT. What is very important in this área is OIL, FOR SURE
What a pack of fatuous lies! It's not the lies that I find so offensive so much as it is their fatuousness.
Lobbyist for western culture -
Yes. Thank God
50 or 80 terrorist died in Irak and 500000 iraquíes also, don´t forget it
Unfortunately the Iraqis fought amongst each other, soon after they were given a once in lifetime chance to work together, create a democratic state. Instead they killed, murdered and took revenge after Saddam was deposed.