So just how important are black holes in the Multiverse Saga?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- This video looks at all the lore we've been given about the black holes and discusses how they are the key to multiversal travel!
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00:00 - Intro
01:14 - Working Multiversal Model
03:08 - Travel between branches
05:02 - Waldron's discussion on travel
06:03 - The Marvels and Black holes
07:22 - Moon Girl and Black holes
10:10 - Loki and Black Holes
11:24 - America Chavez and Black Holes
12:30 - What If and Black Holes
14:02 - Peter Parker and Black Holes
14:49 - Summarizing Multiversal Travel
15:35 - Conclusion 
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I really hope that Miss Minutes account is indeed official, because they used the language I like by saying that variants exist in the same universe as their sacred timeline counterparts, just on different branches. Which is always what sense to me regardless of the language used in the movies and shows.
I agree...that tweet was perfect...I really hope it's considered canon as it makes so much sense!
I think it is because Ryan Reynolds once tweeted at it.
@@michaelwhite8586 Very true!
I like it too; however, this doesn't explain the various, very much non-Tom Hiddleston, Loki variants from season 1 (and season 2 accounting for Sylvie). Unless you say they are just taking on other forms as Loki is prone to do and just more comfortable looking like someone or something else.
@@ghiggs8389 You could chalk it up to his ability to shapeshift, but you could also chalk it up to Loki's genetics arranging differently. Though the Alligator Loki is, admittedly, far more confusing than Loki being a woman or black.
Hi! Love the videos. You forgot to mention how celestials travel. In Eternals, at the end when Arishem the judge takes the eternals away, he travels through BLACKHOLES. I thought that was a neat effect but there might be more to it.
Oh wow! I don't think I ever noticed that. Thanks so much for pointing that out!
Great topic! You are truly the MCU Loremaster!
Thanks! Yeah, this was a fun topic to discuss. Love how Marvel is pulling everything together so nicely!
The fact Moon Girl has lore THAT ACCURATELY connective to the MCU, and not just Maria Hill and Shield, is blowing my mind.
Going to start watching it, Season 1 just got added to D+ Canada.
ikr? Wasn't that amazing how much info they gave us in Moon Girl? It's a really good show. It took me a few episodes to get into it at first, but then I was hooked. And there's a really awesome reveal about one of the characters in the season finale. I think you'll really enjoy it! You can check out my vides for the first season, after you watch the show.
@@AbitofEverything4U Oooooo!!! Guess it’s time to start my watch 😂😂 Gotta find out that reveal 🤣 Thanks for the awesome videos dude!
Thank YOU for the awesome comments!
I havent seen Moongirl yet, but from what I saw in the video, I want to see it now!! Great video as always :D
Yeah, it's such a fun show. Give it a few episodes to really get going, but I think you'll be glad you watched it. There's a ton of easter eggs and the story and characters are great!
Interesting, I didn't realize Moongirl was invested in the multiverse, and it seems like it makes major contributions to making sense of the timeline. I'll definitely give it a chance at some point, it looks really good.
Yeah, I've really been impressed with Moon Girl so far. It's a fun series. It did take me a few episodes to get into it, but after watching 3 or 4 episodes I was really hooked. And there's a big reveal about one of the characters in the season 1 finale that was very cool. Hope you get a chance to check it out!
When I first clicked on the video, I was like "Wth Black Holes were never mentioned" and now I'm like "HELL YEAH BLACK HOLES"
Too funny! Yeah, it's surprising how many times black holes have appeared. I suspect they will end up playing a big role in the multiverse saga before it's over!
Really like the explanation of how black holes can connect to other alternate universes in the MCU, which is why I can't wait for Deadpool and Wolverine to see if it continues this trend.
Fingers crossed that DP 3 does indeed keep this idea going forward. Can't wait to see how that movie ties into everything else!
Great video! While you were talking about a decision making matter, it reminded me of Agents of Shield season 4. When Eli was using the darkhold to “make matter”, the matter was actually coming from another dimension. This makes me think that the matter the creates these branches actually does come from somewhere, but maybe this question is completely pointless.
Ah...now that's a great theory. I like that alot!
14:14 I kinda wish we could see mysterio’s reaction to the multiverse being real or a variant of him where he really does have magical powers and travels trough the multiverse (but is still a douch as Mysterio should always be)
lol! Great point! Yeah, that would be epic!
@@AbitofEverything4U imagine a what if where Mysterio succeeded in tricking everybody that he was a superhero hero from another multiverse (defeating Spider-Man probably) and when the true multiverse shenanigans starts he’s forced to deal with it somehow (he would probably try to run away or take advantage of it somehow instead of actually resolving the issues tho)
Right. Would be a fantastic idea for an episode!
9:42 this is crazy how they gives us small hints in marvels and other projects
Right...so many cool little hints along the way!
I know this isn’t what the video’s about, but the new wave of D+ steelbooks is so reassuring to see as a physical media lover
I agree...that was great to see that they're continuing to release those steelbooks. You're far from alone in wanting physical media so it's awesome to see this continue!
Extremely great timing on this video because I was literally just theorizing (based on the same Moon Girl clip that I watched with a friend's kid) that the Fantastic Four might travel into a black hole to enter the 616, or the 616 heroes enter a black hole to escape the death of the multiverse in secret wars, idk something to that affect, because I was definitely thinking that black holes will be crucial, then boom I see this video. Great stuff
Also the idea that negative mass will somehow play into the negative zone!
That's so awesome! What great timing to find the vid when you did. And glad you watched Moon Girl. Such a great show. Love your theory about the how the F4 comes to 616. Very cool idea!
Great theories as always! The fact that it makes that much sense is insane but I'm really worried that it's all gonna end up a mess rather than something this complex 😔
Fingers crossed Marvel can keep it all together...if so, then Secret Wars will be amazing!
I bet when the Multiverse Saga comes to its end, everything will be clear and everyone will understand that a lot of things always made sense.....you'll get a great boost in views and love from the MCU fans
Yeah, it's gonna be really awesome to continue to see things slowly coming together for the multiverse saga. I think Marvel has been doing a great job of dropping bread crumbs along the way for us to piece together. Very cool!
I really like these subject-specific deep dives. Changes it up from character- or film-specific content 👍
Thanks! I like doing these as well as they really help me organize my thoughts on a topic.
As always great informational video. I wish Kevin Feige knocked at your door asking for help 😂
I'd answer his knock in a heartbeat! In the meantime, I'll keep making vids and tryin' to piece it all together. Fun, fun, fun!
Maybe when scott lang said in his book about jumping between timelines he meant thetunnel itself because time traveling backwards is between timelines its the same timeline and with loki thats a branch
Great point!
9:22 those warp drives are the basis of space travel in Star Trek
Yeah, it's it wild that we are actually discussing a scientific way to make warp drive work. Love it!
I definitely need to check out Moon Girl. Love the animation! Great video once again.
Yeah, Moon Girl is alot of fun...it takes a few episodes to get into the style of the show, but before long you are hooked. And the reveal about one of the characters at the end of season 1 was epic!
No one else is talking about the relevance and introductions of The Beyonder and The Molecule Man in MoonGirl. 👏🏾👏🏾
Also MoonGirls explaination ties into Fantastic 4s ship we also saw in the intro of Final Episode-Loki S1. And explains how that ship works without Reed explaining it for us. Also! Do MoonGirl and What If prove that those "animated" shows are in fact in MCU sacred timeline/same universe?
Love, love, love Moon Girl. What a fun show. As for whether or not Moon Girl is in the same universe as the main MCU, my guess is no, but I'd be fine either way, tbh. As long as she will appear in Secret Wars down the road, then I'm good. As for What If, I think that isn't an animated show, per se, but that it's a creative choice to show it as animated. It's similar to how Werewolf By Night isn't in a black and white universe, but was shown in B&W for creative reasons and same with the Guardians Holiday Special's flashbacks...those were shown as animated as a creative choice. But yeah, I really love Moon Girl. Can't wait for the rest of season 2 to drop!
Intrested point to bring up. In Dark World it is stated that the Dark Elves existed before time and therefore before the Infinity Stones and the Big Bang. So like that potentially implies something existed before the Black Holes were created, like a black void where Eternity and the other Abstracts made existence on. Also, if Eternity and the others made the Infinity Stones, is there multiple of them, or did they make all of them. Hmmm.
Also, the Dark Elves have Black Hole Grenades. So that's very interesting considering how Black Holes are very important now. However, Moon Girl did mention non spinning, so maybe these are spinning Black Holes and not Multiverse travel ones.
Oh, wow...good catch about the Black Hole Grenades. I forgot all about those. I agree, those are spinning and thus likely not safe for multiversal travel, but it's still worth mentioning them. Thanks for bringing that up, as well as the Dark Elves existing prior to the big bang. Excellent feedback!
The thing is that in the MCU we have only seen 4 universes: Friendly neighbor , Amazing, Sony's SSU and Fox, the rest have only been timelines, since the events happen linearly and the director of Multiverse of madness said the different nexus events of each timeline of the movie. 838 was that Ultron worked as expected.
So it's correct that the Spider Men are not variants but Mordo and the rest are.
Hmmm...interesting theory on 838. The reason I think that it is an alternate universe is that Waldron wrote MoM and he was the one saying that it wasn't connected to 616 and thus only America Chavez could have transported them to that universe. Plus, we know that 838 had the potential of causing an incursion with 616. So my guess is that it is a separate universe. But I could be wrong. So I really appreciate you sharing your theory!
7:15 Beast saying it's impossible to cross between universes mean that the bangles are connected to kang
I agree...I really do think those bangles are indeed tied to Kang!
Cool video. I didn't know moon girl gave so much hints about multiverse travel
Yeah, I really love Moon Girl. Such a great show!
With the different branches of the watcher pulling different people into is branches but avengers did was just back in time loki did ranched timeline
Well said! It's interesting to see all the different ways people have jumped from branch to branch.
This channel is highly underrated
Thanks...that's very nice of you to say. Just doing what I can one vid at a time and hoping to eventually win favor with that mysterious youtube algorithm. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts!
We shouldn't forget that America Chavez is from an other universe. Her star portals contrast the usual octogonal portals we are used to in the Marvel universe. Does it mean her universe's fabric is made out of star shapes ? Are we going to be confronted with her universe collapsing onto ours ? Personally, I'd love it if they show us completly different heroes in that world with one having the ego stone meaning even the stones aren't the same but also meaning her universe is close to ours in it's core. Also her powers may be linked to her dimension's equivalent to the space stone.
Very cool ideas...I agree, I would love for her to have a unique set of infinity stones in her universe and for her powers to be tied into her version of the space stone. So many awesome directions for them to take America. Can't wait to see her return again!
Love a good MCU science lesson. I love the definition for variants, I wish they explained it that way in Multiverse of Madness or Loki, if it's accurate. Great video as always
I agree...I really like the definition for variants and it would have been great for it to have been used in MoM. Maybe Deadpool 3 will toss the definition around?
It would be super neat if it's confirmed down the line that America Chavez is creating black hole stars.
ikr? That would be very cool!
I love how we learn Physiks through Marvel, soon there will be Marvelfilms used in physics classes. That would be so cool!
Niiiiice! Now THAT would be cool!
@@AbitofEverything4U sadly I´ll "just" be a elementry school teacher so it´ll be a bit to advanced, but maybe I still can work it in.
You'll be the talk of the school if you can incorporate the MCU in your lessons!
You have been very helpful with understanding this stuff
Thanks! Really appreciate the positive feedback!
I've been wanting to watch Moon Girl for a while, but just haven't gotten around to it, now that'll probably be the next thing I watch after finishing X-Men: the Animated Series. I agree that it would be cool to see Lunella and Devil Dinosaur in live-action at some point, not sure who I'd choose to play her in live-action, but it would be cool to see.
As far as your Multiverse Model, the way you were talking about it, especially during the Moon Girl section, almost makes it sound like Black Holes exist between the Universes rather than at the start of them like you have it currently. I would say the singularity is the Big Bang, as that's, scientifically speaking, the start of our own Universe. I sort of wonder too if the way they displayed the Multiverse in the MCU isn't exactly how it's laid out, what I mean is I believe DC have done it in the past where every Universe occupies the same point in space (sort of stacked on top of each other in a sense), but they vibrate at different frequencies from each other which is why they don't just immediately crash into one another, perhaps that was the MCU's way of showing something similar.
You bring up the Universe jump from the Marvels, Dar-Benn was using the grid system established in Guardians to do her thing, so it seems to imply that the grid is also able to somehow connect between Universes as well, or at least for someone wielding the Bangles. I also wonder too if that'll be another way characters can get places for Secret Wars, Kamala using the Bangles (the brief time she had both they seemed to like her, so I don't think she'd disintegrate from using them like Dar-Benn did) and America using her portals, or at least use them to recruit some kids for Young Avengers.
Speaking of America's portals, I don't think she's creating Black Holes, or if she is she's able to contain them within the star shape. Rather, I think her portals sort of work similar to the grid or the sling ring portals (which is probably why Strange had her training to make sling ring portals) where she's just able to bypass the in between parts of the Multiverse and just go right to where she wants to go. I guess to simplify it a bit, America essentially has a giant shovel or a giant pair of scissors that she can use to dig into or cut through the stuff between Universes, like to get out a window you would normally have to push the curtains out of the way and open the glass part of the window whereas America can just leave the curtains and window glass closed and cut a hole through them to get out the window, if that makes any sense.
Great feedback!
I agree, it doesn't seem like a black hole is the start of the universe and instead it is a singularity or perhaps a white hole like we saw in What If.
As for the grid system, it was described as a Universal Neural Teleportation Network...a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum aka, jump points…which allows people to hop between different planetary systems. So I don't know if the grid system allows jumping between universes, but I agree that the Bangles definitely allow opening a rift between universes.
As for America's portals, it's hard to say how they work. The grid system doesn't seem able to jump between universes and I don't know that the sling ring can do it either. But I am really curious to know how she does it. Maybe we'll learn more about it when she next appears.
Anyway, excellent commentary, as always!
The release of deadpool 3 will be a great time for this channel 😅 cant wait!
Gonna be craziness!
I still wonder how people in alternate universes share their face with someone from 616 if they have absolutely no connection to it.
I do think this model is as accurate as we can get so far, but why oh why is 838 basically like a variant universe from What If?, except called something else, and traveled to with America's star?
Actually, all the normal ones (i.e., not paint, cube, etc.) are exactly like branches.
Also, Kang is the same face every single time.
It's so confusing thinking about it.
What makes a parallel/alternate world both not be a branch and still similar?
ikr? That's what confuses me the most as well. I do hope they explain how we get the alternate universes and why some (like 838) are so similar with how characters like Christine, Mordo, Wanda, etc look so similar. It's probably my biggest hang-up with the overall model, but fingers crossed we get an explanation at some point!
The idea of a persons decision causing a singularity that creates a branched timeline is interesting because an observer in that branch would surely still see the Big Bang as the singularity that created their universe, but that’s actually the singularity that spawned the original universe. The singularity that created a branch is invisible to those on a branch. The history of their universe before the character makes their big decision is false and is just the history of the original universe.
Yeah, it's such a wild concept to think of a singularity creating a branch...it makes alot of sense, but it's abit mind-blowing, tbh.
I never thought of this topic...thanks for the deep dive 😂
Thanks...it was alot of fun to put together!
Black holes have such an interesting presence in the mcu and even the wider marvel universe that it was really cool to hear your thoughts on this.
Personally while I LOVE the idea of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur being connected to the mcu, I personally even see it as a branch off the mcu’s main timeline, I can’t say I agree with you on the interdimensional highway thing. To me that looks like general space sci fi travel, I mean color it white and it’s the same as a light speed jump in Star Wars, it even looks similar to 2001 but that’s definitely not even remotely related to the mcu.
I do think that they have been pretty consistent with the mcu’s black holes and I think that America using black holes makes a lot of sense, though I personally find it hard to see. I’m curious to see if we’ll ever get a true origin to the mcu and how it was formed. I imagine that may have been something from kang, planned in kang dynasty but that may never happen due to the drama surrounding the actor.
Love the idea of Moon Girl and DD being branched off the main MCU. Such a great show. And I agree, I'd hope we get to know the true origin of the MCU...perhaps during either Avengers 5 or 6. That type of stuff is so much fun to learn!
Really needed that explanation of the multiverse thought the branches were different universes and that’s where 838 was.
Yeah, the location of 838 in relation to 616 confused me for the longest time as well. But I do think this model makes alot of sense once you lay it all out. Thanks for watching and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!
No never mind cause at the end you said that each branch is a different universe and now I’m back to being confused
@@himawariuzumaki6066 Branched Timelines and Branched Universes are interchangeable. But the difference between an Branched Universe like in What If and an Alternative Universe like 838 is that one is connected to a main timeline and the other is adjacent and not connected.
@@himawariuzumaki6066 The terminology used in different MCU entries can be confusing. In Loki, they refer to the branches as timelines but in What If, the Watcher calls the branches universes. But in either case, the key distinction is whether they are branched off the main 616 universe or whether they are branches from a totally separate universe (such as 838). Let me know if that makes sense or not. Happy to further clarify. Really appreciate you asking these great questions.
@@jeremymorris345 Oh wow, I was answering @himawariuzumaki6066's question first, and then I read your answer and it was exactly what I was saying. Love it!
I tried to watch moon girl and devil dinosaur once but couldn’t get into it, but I think I will give it another try now
Yeah, I had to watch 3 or 4 episodes before I got into it. I admit it seemed like I wouldn't enjoy it at first, but it really grew on me. And the finale to season 1 has a very cool reveal about one of the characters that blew me away.
Well this should be interesting ... and man new steelbooks. Very interesting take on the 'variant' definition too. Also when it comes to timeline/variant universe hopping it does seem you need to know your stuff and have either the tech or the magic in the case of Scarlet Witch and Strange. I also just noticed the tear of realities ... is a hexagon ... but that might be because of the bangles and how they create hexagon portals. What I love about the Moon Girl part is that the Alcubierre Drive is the real world speculation of Star Trek's warp drive. Really interesting how now Marvel and Star Trek are kind of tied together. Oooo, I never considered that Chavez's power channels black holes ... that's interesting. Also that's definitely a white hole I think. Also ... Peter talking about an eternal inflation system links into Loki S2 about the eternally expanding variant timeline universes ... wow. And finally ... META PHYSICS SUCKS.
lol! Metaphysics do indeed suck. I hope there's no test on all of this before Secret Wars. Imagine the theatre ushers passing out a set of questions you have to successfully answer before you're allowed to watch the movie. Oooof!
Really great video, hope we get to see our characters reuniting
Also, I began to watch moon girl because or your recommendation, I finished it yesterday and I gotta say, it was soooo much fun to watch, truly great cartoon, cant wait for season 2
All and all, marvel animation is at its all time best recently, now Im actually looking forward that black panther animation
That's awesome...so glad you enjoyed Moon Girl. Such a fun show! And I agree, Marvel Animation is really killin' it recently. I was worried that we weren't getting the shows that had been teased in recent years, but we've gotten What If S2, Moon Girl S2, X-Men 97 and soon will get Marvel Zombies, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man and Eyes of Wakanda. My goodness!
It all comes together, this is why I love Marvel.
I agree...it's all fitting together so well!
Great video and brilliant explanation.
Thanks! Had alot of fun putting it together. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your feedback!
Very good explainer!
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!
The problem is that Black Holes don't do that, it's not realistic (Yeah, I know that super heroes aren't). I honestly prefer the aproach that travelling between Universes, is just a super power, and that it doesn't use anything in the universe.
Yeah, sometimes giving no explanation at all is better than trying to explain something like how you jump between universes. That said, I appreciate that Marvel is trying to be consistent with their explanation.
Great video as always!
Thanks! Had alot of fun putting it together!
Wow! I think I have to watch the moon girl as well! I think moon girl can can be canon into mcu, mutants, and other marvel multiverse as well!
I agree, I think Moon Girl is definitely canon to the larger multiverse and I really hope we see her appear in live action in Secret Wars!
Unrelated note, but the Moon Knight and TFATWS steelbooks being labelled "the complete FIRST season" definitely implies another season is at the very least being planned. Which, makes sense for Moon Knight, but TFATWS? I can't understand how that'd get a season 2, because either:
a) it'd be about the next Falcon teaming up with Bucky
b) its renamed to Captain America And The Winter Soldier for S2, but why would they demote Sam back down to a TV show after Cap 4? And also that title would be way too similar to Cap 2, and be really confusing.
ikr? That "2" on FATWS was very confusing!
@@AbitofEverything4U Is it a video worthy topic? Im curious whether you'd have enough to say to fill a vid about it.
Could be. It's definitely being discussed on the discord server as people are equally confused about it.
That post from Miss Minutes is interesting. I've always thought it was a looser term to describe one of your counterparts, which always bothered me because I knew there was a difference between a variant from a parallel universe and a variant from a branched timeline.
I've always said that specific terms would lessen audience confusion, which is why I always use either parallel universe or branched timeline instead of universe or timeline. Your explanation of that in other videos is good too.
That specific terms mindset has also led me to come up with the terms Dimensional Variant and Temporal Variant. Dimensional Variants are from a parallel universe's original timeline (Tobey, Andrew, and Tom), while Temporal Variants are from branched timelines of their respective original timeline (God of Stories Loki, Sylvie, Classic Loki, Kid Loki, etc.). But if the Miss Minutes account is official, I wonder what term they'll use in place of my Dimensional Variant term. Since they're different, they should use different (or more specific) terms.
Also, I thought the black hole visual was only seen in Loki. I'm so glad it's actually being used in other projects because the visual in Loki really nailed it! I'm shocked at how close even Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur lines up with Loki! Great observations!
I like your terms of dimensional variant versus temporal variant. That's pretty cool. And yeah, I do love how even shows like Moon Girl are tying in so closely with Loki, The Marvels and more. So awesome!
@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks! Yeah, they've done a great job at consistency even though most people don't always get it.
Agreed...and I think Marvel will really start tying things together, perhaps starting with Deadpool 3, and alot of fans will be blown away when they see the connections!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I swear I remember something about Black Hole Bombs being listed off in Spider-Man homecoming by one of the vulture's men. Can't remember if it was the Tinkerer or the Shocker or just a random goon lol. Either way, I doubt it was a real black hole, but it would be cool if it was actually sending people to other universes instead of killing them. If so, kind of crazy a device like that ended up with The Vulture!
Oh my...you are 100% correct on that. And I think it was the weapons used by the Dark Elves in Thor: The Dark World. Great addition to the list!
@@AbitofEverything4U yeah, super crazy the Dark Elves were using that, totally forgot lol! Given what we know about their history and how they were around "before the birth of light" It makes you think what kind of relationship the Dark elves have to the multiverse. All of this creation and universe lore is super interesting to me lol!
I agree...I love the creation lore and I wonder if we'll get more if it during Secret Wars? Fingers crossed!
love those new steelbooks, wonder if they imply second seasons of falcon and moon knight?
Yeah, I wonder if that's what they are implying. I'd be really surprised if we get a FATWS second season, but I'd love a Moon Knight season 2!
any holes a goal as they say
lol...indeed!
Can't remember which video it was under, but pretty sure we chatted like a year ago about America's star portals being black holes lol
Oh wow...let me search and see if I can find it. I really do like that idea about her portals!
I found it...it was 4 months ago and you said: Firstly, there's no inherent branching between timelines. Rather each universe is effectively "branched" from the big bang making them only very loosely connected. This is why it's near impossible to traverse them like America Chavez does - because they deviate from the start and thus aren't parallel at any point. Chavez must travel back through the big bang to reach other universes which might explain her star-shaped portals?? Just like there's no straight line between the points of a star, there's no direct path between universes. You have to draw a line back toward the center (the big bang) to connect your line to another point.
Nicely done...I had forgotten all about that, but you nailed it!
@@AbitofEverything4U four months to you, a year to me 😂😂 time is relative amirite lol but yeah you helped me conceive of her portals that way! Teamwork!
Yeah, brilliant observation on your part...brilliant, I say!
How would Kang be able to have a Multiversal Empire? Let’s say that a Kang (who doesn’t want to be a part of the council wanted to conquer a Multiverse outside his own such as the 616 Kang wanting to conquer the 838 Multiverse, how would he be able to navigate back and forth from the correct black holes and how would his army be able to do it as well, also how would he be able to destroy that Black hole containing its own Multiverse with unique timelines if it didn’t submit? I may be looking way too much into the logistics of a Multiversal Empire
That's a great question. Keep in mind that they never told us how those original Kangs discovered each other. HWR just explains in Loki Season 1's finale that they found each other. So I'm guessing they discovered a way to harness the power of a black hole to use it to jump safely between universes. I do hope they go into that concept abit more as we move further into the multiverse saga. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!
What about Ragnarok? We had wormholes, are we considering this the same thing? There was also that part when Banner was mentioning an Einstein-Rosen bridge (he might have been talking about the devil's anus at the time). It's not really crossing between universes but it is a crossing point of a different kind. Might be worth including just for the sake of being comprehensive
Excellent comments! So I didn't mention wormholes, but I probably should have for completeness. They don't seem to allow travel between universes. But they are used as part of the grid system, which was described as a Universal Neural Teleportation Network...a system of wormholes through the space-time continuum aka, jump points…which allows people to hop between different planetary systems. Perhaps the Devil's Anus was a form of a wormhole as well? Will be interesting to see if anyone is willing to use jump points again after the events of The Marvels. Anyway, great feedback on the vid!
regarding the question of how new timelines are created and whether that creates new matter, that's a real question physicists who believe in many worlds need to contend with. I'm not a many worlds proponent, but from what I understand the way they justify it is by saying that basically, the timeline split doesn't create new matter, it literally splits the universe, so that each resulting timeline only contains half the energy. to us existing within the universe it looks the same but if it was possible to travel between timelines that would presumably have effects.
Oh wow...that's very interesting...That theory makes alot of sense. Thanks for sharing it!
I wonder if Marvel will attempt to give an answer to their reasoning for it during the multiverse saga?
@@AbitofEverything4U I hope they do, but I kinda doubt they will. if they wanted to explain it properly that would probably involve a lot of dry maths and esoterica, but it would be cool to at least get a nod as confirmation for people like us.
Yup, you're probably right on that. Most people probably just let it go and don't need an explanation. But I'd sure love to know!
Really interesting video. I appreciate your ability and willingness to explore these topics thoroughly.
This may be off topic, but did you ever make any videos discussing how the different Kangs/HWR’s were able to meet and exchange ideas without causing incursions? And also how HWR’s death caused the timelines to branch out, since he’s not supposed to be a supernatural being, right?
Great questions...I've always wondered how the Kangs were able to meet safely. Perhaps we'll find out that Kang tech allows them to safely jump between universes? Or perhaps they didn't meet long enough to create incursions? I agree, I'm really curious about that. About HWR's death causing the timelines to branch out, my assumption on that is that the out of control branching started as soon as Mobius and B-15 ordered the pruning to stop in the season 1 finale. That was the "threshold" and at that point, HWR no longer had a script for what would happen. Discussing that would indeed be a cool video. In fact, I feel like a summary of everything that's happened in the multiverse saga would be worth doing, even though it may be a longer video. Anyway, excellent suggestions!
@@AbitofEverything4UThank you so much for responding! I look forward to watching any videos you make regarding this topic-whenever you get around to it.
Thanks!
Pretty interesting. I never really paid much attention to the black holes shown in all these various places, so it's interesting to see you point out all these occurrences here. I do wonder if their significance will ever be clarified on-screen. Since black holes are naturally-occurring, I do wonder how easy it would normally be for someone trapped in a parallel universe to do the Moon Girl thing (I haven't actually seen that show) and fly toward a black hole at the speed of light to get back to their own universe. Or would they have any control over which universe they travel to? Maybe that could be the catch, and why you need some special assistance like the bangles (supposedly Kang tech) or America Chavez's power. I guess the multiverse model rules out the Quantum Realm as a mechanism for travelling between separate universes like I once thought.
Good point about not knowing how to reach a specific universe when traveling thru a black hole. Perhaps you can't use the black hole to reach someone else's universe, but you can use it to find your way home? Very good question. And I do still wonder if the Quantum Realm connects parallel universes, but it would be the same issue you raised about black holes...you don't know how to reach some random universe. All you can do is return back to your own.
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah, that makes sense that you could only use a black hole to return to your own universe, because you supposedly have some quantum signature or whatever that corresponds to your universe of origin. So it's either that, or you end up in some random universe that you have no control over.
I don't remember if you've mentioned anything in previous videos that supports or contracts my understanding of this, but based on what I do know you've talked about, I was thinking that each base universe (with its own tree and its own big bang) would have its own quantum realm. So you could use the quantum realm to travel from one branch to another, but not from one universe to another parallel universe. But I don't remember the exact quote you've mentioned where somebody described the quantum realm as the basement of the multiverse or whatever, so I'm not sure if that covers all universes, or just the ones connected by branches.
So, on the quantum realm, we honestly don't know much...but Jeff Loveness described it as the basement of the multiverse, so theoretically, any universe could enter it. For instance, I think Janet entered it from 616 but that the Kang that entered it in Quantumania wasn't from 616 but was from a different universe and was exiled there during the first multiversal war. So perhaps it can be entered from any universe but can only be exited back to your own universe due some type of quantum signature each person has. But just my working theory on that.
@@AbitofEverything4U Ah, okay. I guess ultimately it doesn't really matter unless we ever actually see somebody use the quantum realm in that way.
Agreed...I'd hate to see it being used to jump between universes.
"gamora is a variant. variantresting"
ikr? It's wild to think of her that way, but she came from an alternate branch created during the time heist. Variant, thy name is Gamora!
The dark elves use black hole grenades and they are said to have lived in the darkness that came before the Big Bang. I don’t know if there’s something there, I just thought it was interesting considering were are talking about black holes and the creation of new universes (big bang)
Very interesting! Thanks for reminding me of that. I agree, that could indeed tie into things eventually!
@@AbitofEverything4U I doubt we would see the dark elves again, unless we get a War of the Realms storyline which would be awesome but very unlikely, but who knows
Oh, right...I mean maybe their use of the black holes will come into the discussion. Theoretically they existed prior to the big bang, so using black hole grenades is pretty cool. Maybe someone like Selvig mentions it during larger discussions about the multiverse.
Oh my goodness. That Moon Knight steel book is amazing 🤩
ikr? It looks soooooo good!
Awrsome video as always
Many thanks!
Am i crazy for wondering how captain carter used 6 stones to punch strange supreme in the what if season 2 finale, probably me thinking too hard but I haven’t seen anyone talk about it lol
Yeah, that was definitely weird. The theory I've heard is that Kahorri was using her powers to keep the stones from physically touching Captain Carter, but it still allowed her to use the power of the stones. That could work, ig, but I agree, it's abit of stretch.
Great video analysis! I think you’re the only one besides Marvel Studios, who actually gets the Multiverse lol. And two things!
Yeah, we don’t know if that miss minutes account is actually by Marvel, but she did make an interesting point and it raises even more questions on how the variants are branched timeline versions and that other universes are just different versions of the same person.
2nd, I can’t believe people thought that Merlin Wanda was stronger than our Wanda. Like Merlin Wanda pulled captain Carter from a different branched timeline. Scarlet witch in 616 dream walked into another UNIVERSE lmao
Yeah, that Miss Minutes tweet answered some questions but definitely raised more in the process! And I agree, our Wanda is a boss. Can't wait to see her return and learn what role she'll play in fixing the multiverse. Gonna be awesome!
@@AbitofEverything4U OMG I know right! She has to and is going to be doing work big-time in secret wars!
@@erik_hirsch 100%!
Hope we know which earth does moon girl and devil dinosaur
I agree...I hope they reveal that soon. Would love to see her appear in the main MCU!
I'm really annoyed we only have one mcu movie this whole year.
I know...total bummer...but hopefully this means things will have time to really cook and that 2025 will be amazing!
Question outside of say these characters such as Amazing Spider-Man, Friend Neighbourhood Spider-Man, X-Men, Deadpool, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Spider-Verse & Venom showing up in secret wars as the Marvel Legacy characters what other marvel characters could show up in the movie you would like to see such a Blade, Ghost Rider, Hulk, Howard The Duck, Big Hero 6, Generation X, Japanese Spider-Man, Nicholas Hammond Spider-Man, Doctor Strange Pilot, Lou Ferrigno Hulk, Kingsman, Power Pack & even Men In Black showing up, although personally speaking, I think they’ll only do Marvel characters and not Marvel imprint characters although I think Big Hero 6 has the most likely chance to show up out of any of the characters I named dropped due to the fact that it was a Disney movie
Honestly, I'm all for any of those characters appearing as long as the actors are game for it and there is a way to include them that gives them something to do. I'm not sure if you saw the Flash, but that movie shows how not to do cameos as it was a pretty weird way to put those characters into a 5 second spot in the movie.
Haven’t seen it but I know what you’re talking about but I think similar to Deadpool a lot of those characters will probably be more like cameos that won’t have big rolls and will probably be in the final battle
Also, I know for a fact that the names I mentioned, I will for sure be in the movie I know for a fact those actors are very likely to show up in it such as the X-Men, Spider-Mens, Venom, Deadpool, etc such as Hugh, Tobey, Andrew, Ryan, Tom, Patrick, James, Alan, Shameik, Chris, Jennifer, Halley, Ian, Jake, Nicholas and More
Referring to Wolverine, Friendly Neighbourhood Spider-Man, Amazing Spider-Man, Deadpool, Venom, Professor X Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Miles Morales, Human Torch, Elektra, Storm Magneto, Peter B. Parker, Spider-Man Noir also I can say it’s very likely that Kelsey will return as Beast
Agreed...lots of great cameos ahead for us...gonna be amazing!
Does jumping branches eventually cause incursions?
That's a great question. It seems like there is no harm in jumping branches, but perhaps we'll see that it is messing things up when we get to What If Season 3.
how can we be getting an andor steelbook but they still havent done a BTS on disney plus?
Good point! I love those episodes...wonder why we don't have one yet?
The miss minutes twitter account is giving better explanations than marvel themself lol
lol...indeed!
My favourite topic 😋
Mine, too! Love seeing everything slowly coming together!
It's cool to connect everything adding Spider-man far from home but we need more than little random sentences, It's too cool to be namedrop 😭
Oh, I agree...it's time for Marvel to kick this into high gear. I applaud the multiversal slow burn that Marvel has given us during Phase 4 and the first part of Phase 5, but now the hints and clues need to come together with a big reveal. I have a feeling that might happen with Deadpool 3. Fingers crossed!
@@AbitofEverything4U yes and it's cool that they keep consistency
Agreed...Feige is a mastermind!
Do we have branch off Sony ?
My guess is that the Raimi and Webb universes are separate, as well as Venom. As for Madame Webb...I want to pretend that never happened. lol.
@@AbitofEverything4U 😂😂😂 it has to had to be mentioned hahaha nope lol
@@AbitofEverything4Uwe should send a letter to the TVA requesting the pruning of the Madame Webb timeline
@@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01 Indeed!
@@simcity4111 YAS! Please!
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METAPHYSICS SUCK!!!!!
LOL! You know you secretly want to be part of the metaphysics club...admit it! If you ask nicely, I'll teach you the secret handshake!
Well this should be interesting ... and man new steelbooks. Very interesting take on the 'variant' definition too. Also when it comes to timeline/variant universe hopping it does seem you need to know your stuff and have either the tech or the magic in the case of Scarlet Witch and Strange. I also just noticed the tear of realities ... is a hexagon ... but that might be because of the bangles and how they create hexagon portals. What I love about the Moon Girl part is that the Alcubierre Drive is the real world speculation of Star Trek's warp drive. Really interesting how now Marvel and Star Trek are kind of tied together. Oooo, I never considered that Chavez's power channels black holes ... that's interesting. Also that's definitely a white hole I think. Also ... Peter talking about an eternal inflation system links into Loki S2 about the eternally expanding variant timeline universes ... wow. And finally ... META PHYSICS SUCKS.
lol! Metaphysics do indeed suck. I hope there's no test on all of this before Secret Wars. Imagine the theatre ushers passing out a set of questions you have to successfully answer before you're allowed to watch the movie. Oooof!